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Should Corrupt Bankers Face the Death Penalty?


Doing God's Work?

Let’s be clear: financial misdeeds ruin lives. If a Madoff takes your money and uses it to pay off other investors in a ponzi scheme, you won’t be able to get it back. If a Blankfein underling issues you with misleading advice, and then bets against you (creaming himself a nice profit), you won’t be able to get it back. If a Corzine steals your money and uses it to bet on the European sovereign debt market, you might not be able to get it back. You might end up in poverty or worse. You might lose your children’s college money, your retirement money, or capital you needed for your business. You might lose your home.

So shouldn’t we take a tough line against financial misdeeds? Shouldn’t tricking and stealing from investors, tricking and stealing from the public, tricking and stealing from clients carry a heavy disincentive, like death? Would a corrupt banker not think twice about their misdeeds if they knew that apprehension would mean a noose around their neck and a kicked bucket?

Certainly there is a popular impression that big-time criminals with titles, status and MBAs get it easy, while protestors (sometimes protesting the misdeeds of big-time criminals) get shafted by the hyper-vigilant modern security state:

A lot of commentators — like for example, Max Keiser — seem to think so.

And in China financial crimes are treated with a gravity far beyond a cushy minimum security cell, and home visits on the weekends.

Financial criminals in China are often executed.

From Wiki:

China has executed bankers for fraudulent activity:

  • Wang Liming, former accounting officer, China Construction Bank, Henan, with others stole 20 million yuan ($2.4 million in U.S. Currency) from the bank using fraudulent papers, executed.
  • Miao Ping, an accomplice in the same case, executed.
  • Wang Xiang, same bank in an unrelated case, also executed for taking 20 million yuan from the bank.
  • Liang Shihan, Bank of China, Zhuhai, executed for helping cheat his bank out of $10.3 million US.

In a recent case, Wu Ying, a 28-year-old woman, will soon be put to death for taking out multi-million dollar loans from investors she was unable to pay back.

We in the West appear to have a problem; financial crimes ruin lives, but financial criminals either get away with a comparatively small fine (like Goldman did after they misled clients), a cushy prison cell, or sometimes even a taxpayer funded bailout.

Simply, they keep the upside of their behaviour, and pass the downside off to someone else (either a sucker investor, or a junior partner, or the taxpayer).

Hammurabi, the Babylonian King, had a simple principle for dealing with such bullshit:

If a builder builds a house and the house collapses and causes the death of the owner – the builder shall be put to death. If it causes the death of the son of the owner, a son of that builder shall be put to death.

Exact equivalence; you destroy someone’s livelihood, and your livelihood shall be destroyed. Such justice would leave a lot of people, and not just bankers — Dick Cheney, John Yoo, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner — with a lot to fear.

But would it work? Well, China executes bankers — as well as corrupt party leaders, (watch out, Bo Xilai) — and bankers in China keep screwing investors and the nation.

I think the biggest problem with capital punishment is that it is administered by the state (or the mob) and that means that very often it is administered to the wrong people, for corrupt or flawed reasons. Putting the power of life and death in the hands of the state is quite dangerous. More likely than not, the person executed will end up being the innocent junior intern (“take one for the team, buddy!”) while the corrupt CEO enjoys a retirement of golf courses, hookers, viagra, and oxycontin.

A much better goal to aspire to is the end of bailouts, and the end of firing off wads of QE-dollars to preserve badly-run (but well-connected) companies and systems (zombification).

Still, in matters of financial fraud I think it is important to seek out equivalent justice; you destroy a livelihood, we take your trust fund, and your Swiss bank account to compensate the victim. The status quo — where regulators shoot off tiny fines for huge financial crimes — is a joke.

But the best way to punish Goldman Sachs (etc) for their misdeeds is to not bail them out the next time their hyper-fragile leverage-driven business model fails them and they end up over a barrel. It is quick, dirty and emotionally satisfying to talk of executions, but giving the state the power over life and death has far bigger, and far more dangerous consequences, not to mention huge potential for abuse.

 


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Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment toady
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Yes!

The root of the problem!

No more 100k page bills in congress! 1 to 10 pages of actual law and the rest is pork and loopholes!

At this point ANYTHING is legal, as long as your lawyer knows where the loophole is buried!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment DogSlime
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Prison, execution... whatever - just get the fuckers prosecuted and fast.  The longer they're allowed to operate, the more damage they do.  They need to be taken out of the picture right now.

...might as well wish for it to rain unicorns, though :(

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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MEET HAPPY GUILLOTINE

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:33 | Link to Comment apberusdisvet
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News Flash:

By a new Executive Order, President Obama has nationalized all producers of pitchforks and nooses, and placed a 400% duty on all such imports. 

In other news, Sen Charles Schumer (D-NY) has introduced a bill to fund permanent SWAT teams at all major NYC banks.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:32 | Link to Comment debtor of last ...
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Neatly stacking all the physical gold in Fort Knox would be a nice punishment

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Hung by the neck until dead, with guts out--Hannibal Lecter style.  This should be the punishment for debasement of currency.  Everyone who had a direct hand in it should face this punishment, though only those who commanded it should be ended by it.  For the others, lifetime imprisonment with hard labor is fine.  For those least involved, such as branch managers of banks and such, a much lighter sentence is warranted.

I might suggest that corrupt politicians be subjected to similar fates, based on their voting record.  Hold them accountable for every line on every page of every bill they vote "Yea" on.  If there is a line that runs counter to the constitution, send them to prison.  If there is a line that shows their personal corruption for money or favor beyond a reasonable doubt, hung by the neck until dead, guts out.

Also, amend the constitution so that the President doesn't have the power to override these types of sentances.  Those condemned to death get two appeals, those sentenced to life get an appeal every ten years, and can be paroled after twenty, perhaps with a big "D" branded on their forehead (for debaser).  People would know not to trust those people with their money.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment SISSYFUSS
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerian_%28emperor%29

According to this version of events, after a long period of such treatment Valerian offered Shapur a huge ransom for his release. In reply, according to one version, Shapur was said to have forced Valerian to swallow molten gold...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:34 | Link to Comment New Survivalist
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Gee, ya fucking think? These fuckers knowingly ruined millions of lives. Off with their heads if found guilty.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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The way to deal with the Goldmen of this World is to revoke their Liciences 

Cut them off at them ofat the Root

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Silveramada
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hhmmm, for these gentlemen i would suggest PULP FICTION style middle age cure for their asses!!!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:39 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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Fire purifies everything.   Stephen King, from Salem's Lot.   He's right, it works on vampires of all sorts.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment babylon15
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Constructive zerohedge discussion: Thinking about the long-term consequences of low interest rates and perpetual QE

Destructive zerohedge discussion:  This

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment cbaba
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Yes, we will Hang them high..........

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Everybodys All ...
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anyone seen Corzine?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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He's in Paris last I heard....hanging out with Roman Pulanski.

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Bring bak Vlad the Impaler, set those suckers up on sticks around Wall Street.  That should send a message.  Same goes for any politician that voted for Heatlhcare, the NDAA or the Partriot Act.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:40 | Link to Comment Lucky Guesst
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As long as everybody takes it they will dish it out. Maybe we have to stop investing and go back to burying it under the basement for a while. I hate Vegas... all I can see is the desperation and destruction it breeds. Trying to guess where to safely invest feels as chancy as picking which filthy slot machine to waste my money in.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:42 | Link to Comment joshdance
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Answer: clearly, unequivocably, NO.

Capital punishment is taking someone's life as a punishment for that person taking another's life.  "Taking a life" is not the same as "ruining a life."  Eye for an eye.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:57 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Do you really think these SOB's have no blood on their hands?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:44 | Link to Comment SymforniX
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No.

Their wealth should be confiscated and evenly distributed back to the population at large. Then, they should ALL be marooned on a deserted island. And by ALL, I mean banksters, their enabling politicians, lobbyists - everyone who made this farce possible should face the same punishment TOGETHER.

There would not be a soul alive on that island within 12 months...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment Artifice
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I'm a firm yes.

 

If you want to be a dick about it, crimes like murder or rape have a relatively small impact on society in general, but massive to the individual or relatives.  Financial crimes often show themselves in similar ways(ie: Con jobs that stupid people fall for), execpt that in so many huge examples seen since 2007 the effects have been massive on both society and individuals - and the biggest point is that 'the people' haven't been at fault. Stupid people take stupid loans, but it takes a stupid bank to give them that loan, etc. The SEC might not be convinced that crimes are being commited, but I sure as hell am - and I want the punishment to fit the crime. Too big to fail-level crimes should absolutely be punishable by death, and even as treasonous behaviour commited against society.

 

Or threaten them with capital punishment and watch them all flee to France. Fate worse than death, suffer in your jocks.

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:43 | Link to Comment Ted Baker
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PRISON YES FOR LIFE...RUMOUR HAS IT: DISCUSSIONS OF QE OVER THE WEEKEND..HINTS TO FOLLOW SUIT

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:59 | Link to Comment valley chick
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when have they ever stopped discussing QE?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Centurion9.41
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Though it's tempting to the reptilian brain part of man's nature, no.

If a business man has engaged in illegal behavior that is above $____ , they should:

#1 lose EVERYTHING

#2 go to a common prison with rapists and murders

The most dear thing to these "white collar" criminals, AFTER they achieve wealth, is their ego/reputation.  To them it is literally a game.  Their MORAL standards are NOT what most common men hold dear.  People like these folks get to where they are for only 2 reasons; connections and a ruthless political nature. 

Take for example WB, read his bio.  Consider why he lives the lifestyle he does, can make his infamous "financial WMD" comment, while owning a controlling interest in a credit rating agency, while using the products to hedge his assets, THEN after seeing GS' books lobby congress to bail out the banks.  WB doesn't give a sh1t about you.  WB ONLY cares about "winning" and does whatever he can to "legally" win.

The military officer corps works in much the same way.  Doubt it?  Ask yourself why was there Lincoln/McClellan, WWII/Patton & MacArthur, etc.

These men are GREATLY influenced by OBJECTIVISM.  They will respond to punishment that far out weighs the crime.

If you kill them they will be forgotten in a few months.

Put them in a hard-core prison, send in a documentary crew every couple of years and video their cell and "friends", and show the world how their children had to "rough it" like a regular blue collar worker....

Then you will see these scum begin to behave differently.

All that said, if they were hung in the town square, I wouldn't be upset at all.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:49 | Link to Comment jomama
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i couldn't agree more.

there is no study or statistic anywhere that shows the death penalty is effective at deterring crime.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment skepticCarl
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Nonsense.  An executed murderer cannot be a repeat offender.  The studies you spoke of should compute a statistical projection of the lives saved by capital punishment.  Even if it is one life, that's a win for the innocent.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 18:18 | Link to Comment jomama
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again, point to one study in any country correlating a crime rate drop after instituting death penatly.  not projections, actual statistics. 

i won't hold my breath, junker.

the lot of you act like you're better than these scum, but i suppose you've shown your true colors, haven't you?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment madcuban
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What we need is to follow the current law and stop bending it for some, not create a new death penalty law that will allow politicians to threaten citizens for their own gain. We have enough of that already. Get us away from Facism, dont lead us towards it under the guise of protecting the masses from a few.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Hedgetard55
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No.

 

Take their hands and their tongues, and let them try to survive on the street.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Kina
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The only ones that should and must be executed are corrupt regulators, those who are the last line of defence for the nation.

When they are corrupt criminals take over the place. When they are corrupt they betray the country, treason. They deserve the death penalty.

 

The corrupt bankers? Take their money and throw them in jail for 20 years.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Is this a vote or a poll?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:47 | Link to Comment steelhead23
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I am opposed to the death penalty for humans on moral grounds.  However, I wholly support a death penalty for corporations.  If BAC is the criminal enterprise Matt Taibi so eloquently describes, they should lose their corporate charter.  Hell, if you merely performed a craniectomy on the CEO, the corporation monster would continue to pillage unabated.  Kill the corporation!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:48 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Would a corrupt banker not think twice about their misdeeds if they knew that apprehension would mean a noose around their neck and a kicked bucket?

Yes, but only in a government that was not IN BED with them.

So, we barely execute mass murderers,Bankers???.

LOL

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Reality has a way of removing options when the time make a choice comes.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment azzhatter
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For all the damage inflicted on my community, country and personally within my family, I would not only reccomend death penalty for Blankfein, Dimon, Thain, Paulson, Bernanke, Corzine,Mozilo,et.al  I would actually like to administer the sentence myself.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:51 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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render them into bio-fuel

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Bartanist
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If treason against the people and constitution of the United States of America is the defining standard then heck, we will be executing banking, mainstream media and government criminals for treason as fast as we can pull the switch. (Or execute them for the same standards used in Nuemburg)

However, oddly enough treason is generally defined as acts against the government and the people who are in power, as part of the government get to decide who they want killed (hence Obama's NDAA).

My guess is that "this too most likley will pass" in a few generations as we cycle through the dictatorial stage of government, the crumbling of infrastructure, enter into a new dark age, reform into feudal states, create a republic ... and on and on.

Assuming of course that some outside force does not make all of the important decisions for us (aliens, Satan, God, a space collision, expanding sun, etc.). In any event, we have been told that we are all simple meat sacks with an eternal soul and that the important choices are not made outside of us. The real battle is within. Popping a few meat sacks that hold evil souls might seem fulfilling to some in the short-term, but ultimately accomplishes nothing. Their time will pass too...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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So sit back and watch your lives and country being destroyed.

The muppets had it right all along.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Bartanist
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OK, will do ... the battle is within, not without. Good and Evil are a reflection of our acts on others. 

Can you claim that there are righteous murderers and thieves? (I can almost see it for the thieves who steal from the thief for a noble purpose ... but I see no noble purpose to murder... It is one of Satan's lies.)

They cannot force me to be something I refuse to be. 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:00 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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The definition of Treason that I like best is, "The exercise of a power that no one should have over another".

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:54 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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An execution for murder is acceptable.

An execution for financial crime is not.

This does not mean that mob lynchings of the malfeasant are necessarily unjust or ineffective, only that the judicial system should not get involved.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment oddjob
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Treason is punishable by death. Police, Judges and Lawyers are all culpable as well by their inaction. Nothing short of a killing fields style purge will suffice.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:55 | Link to Comment Artifice
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Hey Tyler - Any chance of getting some sort of poll going for this?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment semperfi
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Here's the poll right here  -

YES = UP ARROW  

NO = DOWN ARROW

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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I’ve always been amazed at how much people pay financial advisors and how much the financial industry compensates itself for so little in the way of performance and guarantees in return. When you apply their practice to other industries it becomes obviously absurd. Imagine ordering a car from a dealership and putting down a healthy deposit in advance. Two weeks later, the dealer calls to say sorry, the car is no longer in production or available. They then invite you back to order a different car, pay another deposit, and start the whole process all over again.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment mijama
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Violence won't work.  Check out Thomas Sheridan's work on psychopathy. These people are psychopaths, and there is simply no way to get even with psychopaths.  They don't have the ability to care.

Our whole political and banking system is designed to allow these people to flourish, because they are the only people who will claw, cheat, and stab their way to the top without a pang of remorse.

The biggest "punishment" you could ever inflict on them is forcing them to make an honest living.

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:58 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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Boil them alive in oil. 

But you know what?  I would settle for mandatory jail time for financial crimes, hell I would settle for a ticket issued and forced community service, ANYTHING is better than them getting rewarded by the taxpayers. 

Seriously, how can you convict anybody of a financial crime, especially one you would have carry a death penalty, when FASB accounting standards are so dismally nonexistent as to allow bankers and others to mark assets to any value they chose?  And then politicians reward them with taxpayer funds for their mismanagement and theft, which then gets used to speculate and drive up costs of commodities that all citizens will pay for? 

I say no.  This is typical blame the other guy mentality.  You bet your future by allowing others to "invest" your money and they lose it or steal it you have only yourself to blame.  If someone does break trust and abscond or are otherwise irresponsible with your money then sure they have committed a crime and they SHOULD pay with stiff sentencing, but the reality is that you put it in their hands in the first place. 

As to what the Chinese do, as if there were anything remotely fair in what I laughingly refer to as the Chinese justice system, if a death penalty were an effective deterrent to financial crimes then why are there so many financial crimes there?  Because a justice system that operates by making one or two well publicized examples of a few criminals while the system pretends they were the only ones committing crimes rather than admit that crime is rampant, well that is good TV but it is not justice. 

If the "victims" of these crimes and thefts were not so greedy for unearned income in the first place they would not have risked their money by forking it over to the thieves.  So, mandatory jail time yes, death penalty no, after all who would enforce it?  Our government?  They are more corrupt than the crooks in the banks.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment XitSam
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I once read that someone asked a doctor the worst way to die and the doctor answered rabies.

If I recall correctly, the founding fathers instituted the death penalty for only two things, treason and counterfeiting.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:29 | Link to Comment DeadFinks
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Let's get Howard Dean to bite them all.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 10:59 | Link to Comment The trend is yo...
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Death is too kind.  The best way to clean the system is to strip them and their immediate families of everything they own.  Then, track them.  If they recieve any assistance from their former billionare buddies, do the same to them.  They can work for minimum wage to get by, that's it.  Then we have a public monthly update so none of the other criminals forget what happens.  

It's a dream I know, but they havn't figured out how to steal those away from us....yet. 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:01 | Link to Comment semperfi
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No (death penalty) - too easy.  They should get the Bubba penalty for 10 years - 10 years of Bubba pounding away 2 or 3 times every day should do the trick.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:15 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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Only if Bubba is hung like Seabiscuit.  Just kidding.  The flaw in your solution Semperfi is pretty obvious.  How many of these criminals would secretly enjoy your "punishment?"  Or learn to like it after a while?  Not to mention that I know certain men for whom this "punishment" would be a reward not a reformation tool (pun intended).  Really, all your plan does is channel gay kids into banking.  WHY in heavens name do you think there are so many repeat offenders in this nation?  Because the food in prison is just excellent?  The free medical care?  I might add as a gay man among several here that your attempt at humor is pretty stinking juvenile and offensive in every way. 

I mean, what if you were to suggest they be forced to live with black people as a punishment worse than death?  You think there would not be those who were a tad offended by your presumption of superiority?  When will you people "get it?" 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Renfield
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This is a good and appropriate question to ask, and needs to be publicly debated far more often. Personally, I would like to see them 'asset-stripped', just as they have done to our economies. Until they have paid in full restitution for everything they take, including damages, they shall continue to owe and continue to pay - no credit, salary garnished, etc. If you're the head of a bank, 'the buck stops here', and you are personally liable for what your bank does if it is involved in treasonous damage to the economy. The trouble with this is that they would immediately transfer ownership to their families, and other innocent parties that they could manipulate, and "own" nothing themselves. See Deadbeat Parent 101.

So, that's probably out in practical terms but you could still seize whatever they do have. They should also be assigned hard labour and community work, but frankly these guys in their 60s and 70s aren't going to last long at that.

There's no perfect solution this side of hell. The death penalty, while perfect in its justice of the treason the banksters have committed, has that unfortunate drawback of being assigned by the State - which is full of corrupt, unjust individuals with their own agenda.

The other problem is that this article does not discuss how to try and punish treasonous politicians and lobbyists and regulators, who enable the banksters in their criminal enterprises. This discussion belongs here too.

So I'm going to opt for restitution + damages, imprisonment (general population please), and supervised hard labour/community service.

However, I suspect this question may soon be taken out of the State's hands. Generally when we see systemic corruption of the justice system as bad as it is in the US and other "western" countries, the people eventually start deciding these matters for themselves.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:02 | Link to Comment BlackVoid
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Well, they are not even tried at court.

Or in the rare cases it gets there, they are not convicted. So what does it matter what the penalty is?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment Venerability
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I am much more concerned about Corrupt Media than Corrupt Finance:

Fix the latter, and you still have the former.

But fix the former, and the latter will take care of itself.

(Of course, I have my biases, too. I believe Larry Kudlow and his crony Arthur Laffer caused the Great Crash of 2008 single-handedly.)

 

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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   But fix the former, and the latter will take care of itself.

How do you figure that?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:03 | Link to Comment SwissNico
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pure fanatasy!! it would take an enormous amount of work to make those crooks accountable for their mistakes! and the crowd is too busy lining up for their new ipad to think about participating in any global movement to change the way the world works

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:04 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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Blankfein would look good in a Columbian Necktie!

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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Hell, bankers own the place.  They don't even get prison time, so why jump to a fantasy death penalty.  I'd settle for just hard prison time, not time in some fed resort prison.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment HD
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Death is too good a fate for these bastards. Everyone dies.

They should suffer in extreme poverty. Dropped off naked and bleeding in some third world hell hole to scavenge for insects to sip from muddy pools of contaminated water. No comfort, no health care, no hope.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:05 | Link to Comment spentCartridge
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Answer to post question : no. Killing would make us them. Rest of their natural in the hole and the confiscation of their entire family wealth. That would be All family, except maybe the black sheep living on a small boat incognito somewhere ...

 

Off topic, worthy of its' own post perhaps? Five year old kid chastises bank 'system', although I think maybe she is reading a well rehearsed script.

 

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/04/12-year-old-canadian-girl-explains.html

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:06 | Link to Comment MrBoompi
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I know it's hard to believe, but we actually do have laws in this country.  Fraud and theft, among many other things, are still illegal.  Before we call for the execution of bankers, why don't we start with enforcing current laws?  We can do this TODAY and we don't have to try to get any legislation through a corrupt Congress to do it.

Yes, bankers make a decent living, and very well may do illegal or unethical things for their own benefit, but they also work for others for their benefit.  Such as the owners of the banks, the government, and others who we would call TPTB.  When fraud is baked into the system, how do you deal with it?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment toady
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Certainly not with youe 'enforce current laws' argument'.

The rule of law has been completely corrupted by the millions of loopholes that are tacked on to bills before congress every year.

'The Hammer' Delay perfected the law a few years back. Now NOTHING is illegal if you're a banker and your lawyer knows where the loopholes are buried!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Bartanist
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IMO, there is not an honest man in power who can convict them and carry out the sentence. To be allowed into the club one must surrender one's morals, ethics and free will at the door. They all have the goods on each other, so one cannot take others down without being taken down himself.

They promise your soul will be returned to you upon exiting ... but so they said at the "Hotel California"

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:07 | Link to Comment stocksystm
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We don't even have the guts to cane a person (ala Singapore).

Besides, nobody outside of readers of blogs like this cares.  

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Renfield
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Public flogging is an excellent idea.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Is the Pope Catholic?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:12 | Link to Comment i-dog
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No. He's a Jesuit (Luciferian).

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:10 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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It's way more important to get the money back than it is to pretend revenge is justice.

Seize the assets to help pay for the costs of the crimes.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty myself, although it seems like an OK compromise for repeat offenders.  I've always preferred the exile approach, but we don't really have anyplace to put people anymore.

A "no-scan" tattoo could be cool, tho.  An RFID chip which notifies everyone nearby that the person wearing it is an exile.  Let these guys try to survive solely on the basis of their personality for a few years. 

It would be rehabilitation--they'd come to terms with what life is like when you have no money and no prospects.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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What is acceptable punishment for people who start wars, prolong wars, and the minions of these warmongers that support the primary movers?  Wars that kill large numbers of people; massive property destruction; countless lives altered forever.

The current financial system is intricately wedded to the promotion of ongoing conflict and war as a means of profit, population control and manipulation, and protection of their position.

I point this out, because the term "financial crime" is a euphemism that dramatically understates the nature of the beast that needs to be dealt with.

 

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Floordawg
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I'm amazed with so many millions of people (billions actually) who's livelihoods have been flat-out stolen, vaporized, etc., by the banking cartel, that not one single angry, destitute victim with nothing to lose has acted out vengence on one of the many, known criminal, head bankers with a high-powered rifle and a clear shot. With all the suffering that has been caused - to so many by so few, it amazes me there aren't hundreds of Ted Kaczykski's out there taking justice into their own hands.

Such an incident might very well be the "2nd" shot heard 'round the world.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Spigot
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From what I've heard through the grape vine there have been some cases of arson against property...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:11 | Link to Comment The trend is yo...
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When a 77 year old Pharmacist in Greece puts a bullit in his head because he lost everything due to the actions of bankers, isn't that the same as the banker pulling the trigger?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment frenzic
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We let them get away with it in the end. Our parents did. Their parents did. We can discuss anything but on the whole for now we don't really make a difference even if we vote with our wallets. They play with funny money which we accept for the fruits of our labor. They don't have to put a gun to our heads for us to do so. Whatever crimes they commit we are guilty too as long as we play their game. And we have. Most have anyway. It is inhuman to kill another human whatever their crime may be, simply put a bloodthirsty attitude is not going to lead to a better tomorrow. Just more of the same. Why don't we lock them up for life and make them work real shitty jobs. That'll teach em, mostly because they would have to hit the shower afterwards. Now that would be punishment (change) I can believe in. I also like the idea of documentary crews visiting, maybe make a soap out of it. Their worldly possesions could be liquidated and evenly distributed between every man, woman and child ON THE PLANET. What jubilee? Yes that would make some of those funds flow back the wrong way, that, it's aftermath and the setup of a non broken society is a whole other can of worms.

 

edit Corrected spelling which made me look like the idiot I am to be precise theach became teach.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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Sorry Frenzic, not buying that "we are all guilty" BS you are peddling.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment frenzic
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We are in it together, yes or no? If you are not, kudos to you. We even have the power to stop them and we don't. We talk yes, we act no. Talk is cheap.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Vince Clortho
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Don't try to change the point.  I specifically called you out on your pathetic "we are all guilty" BS.

We are not all guilty.  It was a stupid attempt to be pc.  Your 2 yr old daughter/grand daughter/neice is not guilty.  There are millions of people who are more or less ignorant of the situation because they are living in a propaganda induced stupor.  You do not define who "we" is so its difficult to be more specific. But equating the victims with the perpetrators is a tactic one might see a defense attorney use to try and confuse the jurors into thinking the murderer he is defending is just like them.

I do not think you realize the true scope of the problem or what the solution involves.

Talk is cheap, but it is a starting point.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment frenzic
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I did not change the point. You called me out without anything to back that up. Just the use of a big word. Here you go again with the big words. I am glad you finally see fit to offer me something to reply to.

PC, I am not. I don't care what people think of me, I don't buy any of what's considered correct. I think groupthink is dangerous even. I am not political although in a larger sense "everything is political", not affiliated, don't vote but I do keep tabs on the talking heads. They are not politicians, but actors complete with mediatraining, working for their paymaster. Those millions of people are adults right? Who's fault is it they "are living in a propaganda induced stupor"? We all have a brain and you don't have to be PHD material to see we are being led to the slaughterhouse nor to reject that. We as in all adults living today. Children are surely not guilty but to assume I was talking about them is just using semantics to prove your point. We are responsible for what our children learn so to blame society, the media, schools, government is just being in denial about who is responsible in the end. If you play the game you are a player and you cannot feign you are not involved. They can play the great (for them) game because we don't reject them. We are not victims since we either know or are able to understand we can stop this right now. We have the numbers. Nice analogy about confusion.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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FUCK THAT SHIT! Spoken like a true cakeeater! Your nobiblity smells of past failures awaiting to revisit the present.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:13 | Link to Comment erg
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Let them experience what was done in the Stephen King story The long Walk.

Send them out in batches of 100. If they fall below 4 miles an hour they get a warning. On their 4th warning they get ticketed which is a bullet in the back of the head.

Last one standing gets off scot-free.

Rinse repeat.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:13 | Link to Comment KickIce
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TruTV had one of it's "World's Dumbest" a couple of weeks ago and some kid wanted to set the world record for getting kicked in the balls.  I think this would make for great TV if the bankers and politicians participated, proceeds to pay down the debt.  Blythe and Abby could be contestants as well.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment digalert
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Mad Max Keiser will be performing an exorcism on the Blyth Masters today...also getting IPO rumors of a startup company "Guillotines R Us"

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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Don't need NO french gizmos. We going to use some West Texas Sisal!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:14 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Hell yes.  Want to restore CONfidence and insure and eCONomic recovery?  Prosecute the fraud, punish (with real fucking consequences) bad behavior and reward good behavior.  All the policies in place right now, do the exact opposite.  Restore the rule of law and contracts.  When contracts and promises are broken, there must be real fucking consequences from those who have profitted by making and breaking the contract/promise.

Put the moral hazard back in the bottle and many "problems" fix themselves.

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Paul Atreides
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Guillotine Bichez!

The banking cartel is so well entrenched with law, government and industry that any court or trial is going to fail guaranteed. They will never give up their power...all one has to do is look at history to know revolution and public execution are the ONLY solution.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment TWSceptic
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Any libertarian should oppose the death penalty, if not you are not a libertarian.

 

Bankers causing massive damage to the economy and to individuals should be locked up until they die in jail. Not because of revenge or punishment, but because we need to protect society from them.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:41 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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We will agree to disagree right fucking now! While you are wringing your hands over moral hazard and how many angels can dance on the head of the pin, me and my buddies will be kicking the boxes from out under these fucking theives! Whether you agree or disagree - that is your priveledge!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:07 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Libertarian is not an on-off switch defined by one issue. And certainly not the issue you pick.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 18:02 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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You'll get a lot of conflicting definitions of "libertarian" around these parts. 

That word doesn't mean *anything* here.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Spigot
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I would suggest that death is not as much a benefit to society as having their wasting carcasses in orange suits for 20-40 years as a deterent to those considering similar activities.

And, when dead, there will be little residual incriminating evidence to glean from their hardened little hearts...

So, first let's prosecute them and get them comfy with their new cell mate "gorilla". and then start to extract their precious little secrets in exchange for relief from the nightly penetration sessions.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:22 | Link to Comment haskelslocal
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Stop trying to be PC. Your assumption is that there should be a broken prison system that has "gorilla's" available for all wihite collar criminals to be caged with. Have you seen a minimum security resort much? They got ping pong and soda machines.

As for investing another cent in their lives. Forget it. The point isn't about continuous imprisonment. The point is about establishing ground rules and once established, others to follow would play the game accordingly. Very little bloodshed necessary.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:33 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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I'll show you a detterent: When these bankers are hanged and left on display in front the White House, the REAL originator of these problems WILL CEASE AND DESIST!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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a punishment that we all will have to pay for...so, pay if we lose, pay if we win...BS....guilty, death. 

I'm sure folks will become a lot more honest in their dealings...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:27 | Link to Comment haskelslocal
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The death penalty does exist for similar crimes so it's certainly acceptable by some standards. Yet those who make decisions and rule worlds do not also put ropes around thier own necks.

But I think the we're all missing the point. This is a game about perception and confidence must be maintained no matter the reality. 

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:18 | Link to Comment HelioCentric
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for anyone calling for an end to the banking system just remember we NEED banks to facilitate and distribute capital the Goldmans JpMorgans etc.. we NEED THEM but what we dont need is to killl them or arrest them
this wouldnt solve the problem but merely exacerbate the problem we need to deregulate so bankers don have to jump through hoops to facilitate capital wherever it is needed, the only people that destroyed the world economy are people and americans need to be held accountable for living beyond their means

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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We need bankers like we need politicians (Who by the way - consider themselves our LEADERS!!!) Screw that shit! If I had PHYZZ, then I AM THE BANK. And tell me again, why we need these theives that call themselves politicians???? Both are a blight on society and have been ever since some idiot called himself CEASER! FTS!!!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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+1,000

Anyone that thinks we need bankers (of the current sort) or politicians has been programmed to think so by public education.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:19 | Link to Comment singsing
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They wont do it.  The cells remain empty and the sheeple largely remain silent on this.  As in the cartoon the common folks know who will spend time in the crow bar hotel if they act out their frustration.  So all that is left is civil disobedience.

Start small folks.  Anyone walking by a GS, JPM, etc. building, stick a piece of gum on their wall, door, window.  Something we can all particpate in and deface their public image with our collective spit.  Show your disgust.  Honestly, this has more chance of achieving something than an article on the death penalty for bankers which will never, ever happen.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:25 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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HANG A BANKER A WEEK! AT LEAST ONE!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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a guilty banker...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:04 | Link to Comment toady
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Good point.

I can see Wells Fargo hiring kids straight out of college, having them work as a teller for a month, then calling one into the office every week....

' you see, we signed on for this "hang a banker a week program", and all the corporate officers called in sick today...'

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:30 | Link to Comment thruid
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As much as I would love to see Lloyd Blankfein and Jon Corzine naked in an animal cage in front of the Wall St bull for a couple of weeks prior to their execution, sadly this will never happen.  If they were held personally accontable in some way instead of the firm paying token fines this would be a start.  That won't happen as long as Wall St ponies up for election campaigns.  There must be political reform before laws will be enacted and actually enforced against Wall St criminals.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:31 | Link to Comment SillySalesmanQu...
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They should have to count money until their fingers bleed...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Yellowhoard
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In Switzerland the officers of financial institutions are personally liable for the misdeeds of the companies that they direct.

As Kyle Bass said,"the give a shit factor is much higher there."

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:10 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Hmm. In testimony, they kept saying MF Global was a world wide company with many overseas offices. Were any in Switzerland?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Joebloinvestor
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Capital punishment for capital crimes (pun intended).

These guys have done more lasting damage to society then any serial murderer.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:34 | Link to Comment cdskiller
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These crimes are consciously committed from positions of privilege and trust, not from desperation. The punishment should be far harsher because of that. Some death would help, sure, but only if it was televised. We should see the bankers families roughly evicted from their homes. We should see their private accounts emptied, their yachts being sold. We should see their friends and family and co-workers watching the hanging, some of them in tears. I, personally, think public humiliation prior to hanging or imprisonment is absolutely essential to achieve catharsis and maximize the deterring effect. It is also essential that some of them be sent to maximum security prison with the general prison population. That way, after being a serial killer's bitch for several years, they can write books and be interviewed on Fox News and tell their former peers what the punishment was like, and how inconvenient it now is to wear Depends and have a full set of false teeth to replace the ones that were knocked out.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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fiduciary malfaesance is what all of this is...  

an act for which we'd be fully prosecuted were we to commit such acts on minute percentages of what these bastards are doing...

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment TapperIsTicked
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Let's make it productive.

For each banker, add 5 politicians and 10 bureaucrats to the queue.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 14:04 | Link to Comment TapperIsTicked
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I can't believe I overlooked the talking cleavage that is MSM. They can explain the action while they wait their turn at the front of the line.

(This is not sexist. I bet Liesman has a hell of a rack)

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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the elite are well protected and do not fear any of us. the simple fact is none of the elite will meet justice in the courts they own by the government they control. The US military has the means to change this, but not the will.

in all the halls of the pentagon and military think tanks they look as we do upon the criminals we call sociopathic and see the crimes we see perhaps even more so as they have tools we do not..

I call on the Military of the United States to act on what is treason. honor your oaths.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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The elite are well protected and do not fear any of us.

Well, I generally would think this....but what happens if hyper inflation occurs?  What do they pay their protectors with?  Will gold/food be enough? Will the protectors curdle to the lowest denominator?

Plus, what if some of the protectors, start to realize the truth?  All it takes is one Navy Seals or Green Beret to pull a nutty like that Doctor in Ft. Hood did. 

I just don't think the grunts will 100% be in accordance in turning against the citizens, especially if those citizens are in the right.  And especially if the check the grunts are paid in, start to bounce. 

This is where hackitivists come in. 

Someone will, at some point, be "The One" like Neo and Dox the entire military classified file base one of these days.  What if unsavory truths come out about 9/11?  The surveillence state?  Stuff that not even the ingoramous of the boomer generation, programmed to obey the government and what its MSM tells them, pretty much prove that "Word is Bond" doesn't apply to our military leaders.  

However, the military is more and more filled with guys who don't even finished high school, and mercenaries are abound within the military.  There was even a report by the Discovery Channel that MS13 and other street gangs have infiltrated the military as those young men can't find jobs (yet have kids/family to feed) AND can get military weapons training to use later. 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment James
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If you have to tell/ask someone to honor an oath ...........................................................................

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:36 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Yes

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:40 | Link to Comment marcusfenix
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it won't work, the very same people whom the banksters own, have owned for generations would be responsible for pursuing and prosecuting these criminals. asking our corrupt public officials to enforce any sort of punishment over these people and corporations, let alone the death penalty would be nothing more than bad comedy.

why would anybody with a shed of common sense expect the addicts to suddenly grow a sense of moral correctness and start chewing off the hand that feeds them?

not going to happen, not in this corrupt system anyways. sure they may throw a few low to mid level players to the gallows once in a while to appease the public, or maybe even a name if  it is convenient for them to get rid somebody, but ultimately nothing would  change.

the only cure lies in the great re-set, that is of course a dark and uncertain road, full of pain to be sure  but at least there would be an opportunity to create something better afterwords, at least there would be a light at the end of the tunnel. right now the future is, as so aptly stated in 1984, a boot stomping on the face of a human being forever.  

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment MacroAndCheese
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Barney Frank was leading the charge, guess we better execute him too.  Maybe some postal workers too, they're also government.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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The solution is nicely found in British history: "Debtors Prison."  When a con man is convicted and thrown in debtors prison he is free to go as soon as he has made restitution to the injured parties.  If he can't make restitution he stays there forever.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Neo1
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A Banksters defeatism nightmare, Being forced to Return to Real Money=United States Note=Lawful Money. The real reason you pay an income tax, is for the privilege of using a private currency. Also known As A:  Federal Reserve Note, Demand from your bank or brokerage, lawful money and the tax goes away, with a tax exemption on lawful money, all of your money is yours.

http://www.21silver.com/?show=merrill&read=federal_reserve_act_remedy

Tax Exemption: http://stormthunder.com/federal-reserve-act/

Web search these four different phrases: Redeemed in Lawful Money  or  United States Note  or Redeemed in Lawful Money Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411  or deposited for credit on account or exchanged for non-negotiable federal reserve notes of face value  

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Platinum_Investor
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I would 100% back this and would vote for anyone who backed this proposal.

Why is China seemingly lately looking less corupt then the USA

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Shizzmoney
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They indirectly are responsible for hundreds of people dead.  Wars, Inadequate Health Care, Heart Attacks, Cancer, Suicides due to finanical pressures, domestic dispute due to money issues.

Yet again, I am sure the Democrats like Henry Ford and the Republicans like Cantor who represent them who are SUCH ardent Christians, are going to follow Jesus' lead and go after the usury that has results in hundreds and thousands of people dead, right?

......................................

*cue crickets* 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:42 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Save the world. Death penalty to Rotheschildes, Rockefellers, Bushs, Harrimans, Warburgs and so on and redistribute their stolen wealth.

Enough is enough and there are 7 billion of us that they have commited crimes against. Arrest them throw them into jails and give them the death penalty. We know who the NWO enemies are and they shall pay with the death penalty.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment David Wooten
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The death penalty should be abolished.  It is too easy on the guilty and too hard on those who may be innocent such as Cameron Todd Willingham.  It also shuts up people who may know something important.  It would be far more just to put bankers and murderers in solitary confinement in a padded cell with no TV's, books, internet, or human contact of any kind.  And feed them dog food and water on a tray pushed through a door next to the floor.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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China was the original inventor of paper money.  It was backed by the death penalty. 

If a citizen questioned its worth they were beheaded and their head was placed on a stake in front of their house, so I've heard.

Sorry to say, but I think the US is currently way ahead of China in this whole thing.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:03 | Link to Comment HelioCentric
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death penalty for bankers is going to bakcfire on us spectacularly

no one wants to become bankers so then no one is lending which means no capital is being facilitated

the few people who do becme bankers dont lend to new startups and only lend to big companies with good credit history which means no space for the little guy which in turn means less productivity and wealth destruction

WE NEED BANKS
WE ALSO NEED BANKING REFORM
KILLING BANKERS WONT SOLVE ANYTHING

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"...

Not exactly, but restitution must follow the conviction of a crime.  And in this case the crime is control fraud.

Culpability is measured in degrees.  Many "christian" beliefs would extend mercy prior to conviction but this makes a mockery of justice.

Conviction is imparitive.  It may come from within, (contrition), or from without, (attrition), and this may add to the severity of punishment but not necessarily of restitution.

Because many of our (s)elected officials have adopted positions of "law giver" rather than custodians of existing laws, they quite naturally have greater culpability in obeying them themselves.

When they excuse themselves from the laws the foist on others, the system fails.

I'm all for mercy, but mercy has no meaning if sentence is not first pronounced on a guilty party.

As far as the state having the right to take life, well here again, I beleive it was God that gave it the right. 

"You would have no authority over me unless it had been given to you from above."-JC to Pilot  (That's JC the 1st not J Corzine)

imo.

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 18:11 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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   As far as the state having the right to take life, well here again, I beleive it was God that gave it the right.

I'd be cool with using the death penalty on Christians who share your beliefs, but I'm an atheist, and I don't think it could be justly applied to any of my fellow non-believers.

I'm curious about that last bit, tho--when was Jesus in a plane?

Fri, 04/13/2012 - 07:38 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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I'm curious about that last bit, tho--...

 

By what standard are your thoughts tethered to that would enable you to "justly apply" any penalty? 

I would contend you may indeed choose to be a non-believer in God but you are not a-theist in your thinking.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:16 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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Well sure! I mean, what other outcome could possibly be approriate in light of the gravity, scale, and impact of their crimes?

Of course, Cruel and Unusual will have to be the guiding principles in terms of the manner of the Justice meted out. Again: what else would be approriate in light of the scale of their crimes against humanity? How many people have died in the last year alone just due to the inflation these scumbags exported to the rest of the world? Innocent people who were on the margins of life itself got pushed over into the dead column. God only knows the death toll, and that's just the past year. All so a handful of scumbags could buy a bigger house in West Hampton so their bitch-ass, plastic-tit trophy wives will just STFU. For a week.

These sick f*cking pigs gotta pay. Ya know, the English had a wonderful method that may hold promise here. It's called being Drawn and Quarterted. Search it, it's well worth it. You may have seen it in Braveheart but they couldn't really do justice to the full scale horror of the long process.  It was done to criminals in the Town Square, in front of all. These days, the justice served could be viewed by all the world in real-time, via a live internet hook-up.

The sound of the resulting simultaneous cheering thundering across the planet is one I really must hear.

 

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment penexpers
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How about a Bankster Humancentipad?

Corzin > Jamie Dimon > Lloyd Blankfein.

...for starters of course.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment goodrich4bk
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Good idea, but first we have to get somebody to arrest them, no?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:59 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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I dunno there. Could be that a whole bunch of spontaneous Ox Bow Incidents (e.g., lynchings) will make the notion of arrest and the role of a junked-up, Holder-ized Just Us department kinda superfluous in these matters.

It's an outcome for themselves they seem to be hell-bent on creating. Perhaps they think they'll really be heading for a city of the elite (like in the one Hunger Games) where they can't be touched. Where they don't even have to witness the misery of 99.999 of the rest of the people on the planet. The misery they gleefully created for us as they profit from our pain.

Thing is, this ain't a movie. Oh, and 450mm rounds of .40 hollow point ain't gonna get it done for them either. Hell, we've got more than that stashed in Texas alone :-)

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment W10321303
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"Blessed are the merciful" (or something like that) or was it "God Bless Us, Everyone"? .....can't remember.

We musn't sink to the level of the greasy deranged Sociopaths (or WORSE).

You round them up and confine them to a large building, put a 12 foot high fence around the building and begin the intensive group therapy sessions, right away!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:01 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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Sorry mate, but He comes with a Mighty Sword.

Not with therapists.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Blue Horshoe Lo...
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Yes.  But it should be as slow & painful as possible.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Bartanist
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Realistically bankers are mass murderers on a grand scale.

- Manipulation of grain prices causes up to 30,000 deaths, mostly children, each day due to starvation.

- Funding of war states, such as the US and Israel, and war companies (face it, they are not defense companies) creates death for a profit motive.

- Funding of regime changes in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other countries for the main purpose of installing BIS tied central banks

- IMF funding of African rebels so that they can buy weapons and create instability, with the purpose of putting very resource rich countries into debt servitude

- Funding and money laundering for the drug trade

- Murder of US presidents and other country heads

- Extortion, Embezzlement, Bribery, Theft ... you name it, they've done it

But as I have said ... I have made my choice and will not succumb to their attempts, in the name of Satan, to drag me down to their level. Your choice is your own.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:38 | Link to Comment Sandmann
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The only way an honest man will get a job as a senior Banker is if there is a vacancy for dead men's shoes.  How will an honest man get hired by a sociopathic crook ?

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Blue Horshoe Lo...
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The ony good banker is a dead banker.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:58 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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Please modify to read "corrupt banker". Not all are evil cretins. We need lending and other legitimate bank functions to create an asset based money system of our own choosing.

We know who the scumbags are (take a bow Lloyd, Jamie, Timmy and Ben) and can focus energy and resources where they belong. These nice fellas are being tracked by elements and resources they nor the "government" understand or could neutralize. This is gonna get fun.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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Death by BHUNDA!

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:50 | Link to Comment coltek
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Perhaps they should be put on an Indian reservation, in a tepee with a $250K upside down mortgage, a maxed out $50K credit card, a $100K student loan, and a job cleaning Geronimo's latrine on $25,000 a year.......

 

.....Geronimo to rule on all issues.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 12:55 | Link to Comment xcehn
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KILL. KILL. KILL.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:02 | Link to Comment Mr. Magniloquent
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Death Penalty is an encumbered and passe term. I believe "Hemp Fandango" is more appropriate.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:11 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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Greed and a belief in their own superiority is the driving motivation behind their actions so any real punishment should be one that not only hits them in wallet but one that also publically humiliates them in their new found poverty.  Not only should they lose all their property and be forced to work for minimum wage but they should have to do labor that makes them wait upon those they deem so far below their level.  I would suggest employment at a McDonalds, maybe the one across the street from Grand Central on 42nd, or as restroom attendant at Yankee Stadium or Penn Station, or as a mall janitor in New Jersey.  And no possibility of a raise till all restitution is made to their victims and the taxpayer, as well as all appropriate fines paid no less than equal to the amounts they stole. 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment parch702
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If the corruption can be tied to treeason, YES.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 14:07 | Link to Comment CTG_Sweden
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Perhaps there are some articles which zerohedge.com shouldn´t publish. What happens if someone assassinates Lloyd Blankfein or Ben Bernanke (who has been called "Chairsatan" here on zerohedge)?

 

If someone would shoot Lloyd Blankfein, I think that there is a risk that mainstream media, and perhaps even a prosecutor, would say that "zerohedge encouraged people to assassinate Blankfein" or that "zerohedge wanted to see Blankfein dead because he was a banker and because he was Jewish". I don´t think that´s true, but I´m not the one who decides what American mainstream media or American prosecutors should say.  

 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment xcehn
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Asking whether sociopathic financial scoundrels should face the death penalty is a fair question worthy of public debate. That the very legal system that never even attempted to bring these financial terrorists to justice would dare to condemn ZH and commenters for pointing out glaringly obvious injustice, is obviously the epitome of hypocrisy and absurdity.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 18:13 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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The MSM can say what they want, but who cares? 

It's a 1st amendment issue.  Let the courts play their little games.  I'm sure they'll get right on it. 

In the meantime, it's nice to have a place to talk about such things.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 20:03 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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That would be akin to the Trayvon Martin family suing The Neighborhood Watch Program for the death of their kid at the hands of a psycho watcher. 

A frivolous suit if ever there was one.  People were talking about rapacious bankers deserving to die for years before the WTC was brought down, should they be sued or prosecuted because al Qaeda actually attacked and destroyed the towers?  Or to get even further from reality what you are saying is this, a prosecutor could contend that because people were talking about the death penalty for criminal banksters they can shut down the whole net. 

It is more than legitimate to discuss the death penalty for anybody who commits a crime, the fact that the criminals have bribed congressmen to decriminalize the frauds and thefts does not mean they are not still crimes.  I for example could say that it is not just the bankers but the corrupt government employees and elected officials that allow the crooks to rip us off so they too should be subjected to the same capital penalty.  Legal AND ethical to do so, because there is a difference between the consideration of increased penalties for certain crimes levied in the course of due process of law and the outright homicide of certain individuals in the banking industry. 

Do keep in mind though that in order to apply the capital sentence to them it would have to be for a crime that is now a capital offense, you cannot change the law and make it retroactive.  Sentencing guidelines used must be the ones in force as of the time of the criminal acts, anything else would be an ex post facto law which is forbidden in the constitution, not that they much deserve the comforts of the rights afforded in the constitution, but deserve them or not they must be honored. 

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 21:19 | Link to Comment blunderdog
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Sounds like you're taking that whole "rule of law" thing a lot more seriously than our government. 

I get the impression you're agreeing with me, but it's a bit tough to be sure, because I personally don't have any expectation that any of our judiciary would make the effort to do the right thing in ANY venue.

Thu, 04/12/2012 - 23:01 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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If we do what they do then we are no better than they are so what would be the point of going after them other than out of pure jealousy?  If the motivation is justice and to end the criminality then do that according to the laws, otherwise form and ETF for the purchase and price manipulation of your own senators and congressmen so you can play with the big boys.

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