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Guest Post: Should Obama And Congress Be Arrested Under The NDAA?

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Should Obama And Congress Be Arrested Under The NDAA?

Should President Obama (alongside Lindsay Graham and John McCain) be wearing an orange jumpsuit?

Welcome to the beautiful and surreal reality of life under American corporatism, under a Congress that churns out thousands  and thousands of pages of (often contradictory) legislation a year.

If providing material assistance to al-Qaeda is illegal under the National Defence Authorization Act (2012), and Obama and Congress are sending $25 million of aid to al-Qaeda-affiliated Syrian opposition, aren’t Congress and President Obama violating their own law? Should Obama (or at least the Justice Department) not be using “all necessary and appropriate force” including “the power to indefinitely detain” to prevent Obama and Congress from assisting al-Qaeda? Did anyone in Congress or the Obama administration even bother to read the law that they were signing? Do Federal laws no longer apply to lawmakers?

The only question left from this abrupt and absurd turnaround — from funding bin Laden’s mujahideen thirty years ago, to ten years ago declaring war on al-Qaeda, to today sending them material assistance — would appear to be whether or not Obama will pull a 1984 and claim that “we have always been at war with Eurasia“.


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Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:26 | 2678800 CH1
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The better choice is to abandon them all - Blue and Red - and build our own world, OUR way.

The state is a barbaric institution from 5000 BC.

Really, how sane is it to obey people we know to be thieves and liars?


Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:33 | 2678842 Michael
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I'm writing a book titled, "The Base" English translation from the Arabic Al-Qaeda.

Chapter 1 begins like this;

Call me Sheeple. It began some years ago when Arabic speaking people laughed their asses off at Americans whenever they heard the words Al-Qaeda. Where are all these Al-Qaeda bases located, they thought to themselves.

In Arabic, al-Qaeda has four syllables. However, the closest naturalized English pronunciations include /æl-ka-d/, /æl-ke-d/ Al-Qaeda's name can also be transliterated as al-Qaida, al-Qa'ida, el-Qaida, or al-Qaeda.

The name comes from the Arabic noun q'idah, which means foundation or basis, and can also refer to a military base. The initial al- is the Arabic definite article the, hence the base.

Bin Laden explained the origin of the term in a videotaped interview with Al Jazeera journalist Tayseer Alouni in October 2001:

The name 'al-Qaeda' was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al-Qaeda. The name stayed.(That's as much as I can give you for now).

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:59 | 2678918 Precious
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We live in a county where the government approved pink slime.  What more do you need to know.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:53 | 2678980 engineertheeconomy
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The United States Government is the largest Terrorist Organization in the entire  history of mankind

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:45 | 2679035 markmotive
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Plenty of others to throw in the cell too. The US is full of crooks that are clearly running this country for thier buddies.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:37 | 2679066 macholatte
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Allen West: Progressives are "communists"


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 07:36 | 2679191 GetZeeGold
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Should have been a pretty big clue when he screwed up the oath of office.


I have to swear to do WHAT?


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 13:26 | 2679652 DosZap
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Allen West: Progressives are "communists"

That just about sums it all up.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:49 | 2679073 Buckaroo Banzai
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Our government is totally fucked, but it still doesn't come close to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, and many others. We've had it far.

Doesn't mean it can't get worse, that's the challenge we face today.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:23 | 2679086 margaris
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Yes, imagine we were sitting in china posting such hateful comments about chinese state leaders... we would be thrown in some dark whole and shut-uped immediately.

I am glad we have "free speech"... but something tells me thats just a "temporary privilege" we recieved from our "generous masters"...

Also, what good is free speech if a lazy pathetic populace never translates it into free action?


But maybe thats our problem... we think we are so free and cool, just because we can laugh at our leaders! Yet we dont even create our own money.... who is laughing at who anyway, ... what a circus this is!

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free"

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 05:54 | 2679152 WTFx10
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Most americans a too lazy to read.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 07:38 | 2679193 GetZeeGold
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......still doesn't come close to Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot,


Yup, we need to kill about 30 million people to get there.....any volunteers?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:47 | 2679289 Watauga
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Well, the U.S. isn't doing too badly in the murdering of innocent people category, considering over 50M children have been slaughtered since the detestable Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade.  The babies were not afforded any rights to defend themselves whatsoever.  The way I figure it, Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and the rest of the gang have nothing on us.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 11:59 | 2679422 Uncle Remus
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I am 100% certain that there are far greater issues facing this country and this planet than abortion, overpopulation being in the Top Ten list. From the perspective espoused in your comment, I would have thought the a more detestable Supreme Court decision would have been the granting of person-hood to corporations. Imagine that, those lofty justices, sworn before God almighty, their hand on His Word, to uphold and defend the US Constitution, recognizing a legal construct as a "person", incapable really of being punished for its "sins" yet endowed with the ability to dispense "mercy" to its creators.

These corporate persons have the amazing ability to create virtually unlimited quantities of offspring and incest is practically sport. Their insatiable ability to fornicate, albeit metaphorically, does result in very real destroyed lives and abortions way beyond the "Biblical" connotation of the term. That seems to me more than just a little salt rubbed on the aborted fetus, wouldn't you say?


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:42 | 2680113 FrY10cK
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Have some repsect for fully grown. living woman who is carrying the fetus (not child). Show some compassion for the various medical crises that can make it necessary to, yes necessary, to get an abortion.

Or be a mindless extremest and stand outside Planned Parentihood and hurl insults at the suffering would-have been parents.

Religous wackos.

Mon, 08/06/2012 - 07:31 | 2681151 kralizec
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Infanticide whackos.  Like the PP clinic that botched the abortion and left the (formerly) living woman to die on the table and did not 911, that compassionate PP?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:33 | 2679267 Papasmurf
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There's no reason to read when you can point to the Big Mac picture on the wall.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 11:13 | 2679372 jerry_theking_lawler
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so, you are saying Egyptians (hieroglyphics) were actually more advanced than we are.......

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 10:00 | 2679295 Bobbyrib
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I saw a bunch of words on the screen, but didn't bother to read them. Can someone verbally tell me what WTFx10 wrote?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:05 | 2679243 rwe2late
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Troops abroad working since Vietnam toward that 30 million total mentioned elsewhere,

world's biggest prison system, draconian laws, habeas corpus rescinded, torture, "black box" secrecy, trillion dollar payoffs to cronies,

but so long as we have "free speech", we're better off than was the Soviet Union,

so there's still time to do something,

maybe tomorrow,

or maybe we won't have to do anything,

or don't have to, because

it is never as bad as it could be.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:21 | 2679256 General Decline
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Margaris wrote:


I am glad we have "free speech"... but something tells me thats just a "temporary privilege" we recieved from our "generous masters"...


Don't mistake free speach as it exists today as a "temporary privilege".  The only reason we have free speach (as well as the internet) it so they have the ability to categorize us. Tey want us all barking so their advanced super computers can assisign a priority nuber to us so they know who to lock up (or kill) first when the crash accelerated.   


Now I know I sound like an ultra parinoid tinfoil-hatter but after watching this garbage for the past decade +, that's the conclusion I have come to.  I have just moved up a notch on the list with this comment.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:41 | 2679280 dark pools of soros
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Free speech as long as you don't do anything with. Laws are in place vs whatever constitutes as hate speech, anti semetic, bullying etc

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 13:15 | 2679623 robochess
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Very brave of you to do so. What will you do when you find out marc zuckerberg is actually a reincarnated minister of data collection for your government? Here's a good example:

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:39 | 2679274 stock trout
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However I wonder how many readers are not posting critical comments of government and government officials because they know every comment is being scanned for anti-establishment viewpoints?

Just  the knowledge that you're being watched is loss of freedom of speech. Freedom is extremely fragile.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 11:05 | 2679350 rwe2late
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 A police state does not require total surveillance.

That you may be being watched, that records which you cannot dispute can be produced if you are singled out, that you might be talking to an informant or agent, that you may be blacklisted, put on a 'no-fly' list or some list, that your family may suffer, that you could be questioned, audited, that you could be detained without habeas corpus, that you might be reported because of a grudge, envy, or some one's attempt at self-promotion, or because someone was compelled to "name names", or that just by some association you could automatically be guilty of the most draconian laws ...

all that could easily be construed as stifling freedom.

But fortunately in the USA,

"only the guilty want to hide anything"...

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 11:02 | 2679356 SteveOoooo
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B I N G O!

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:48 | 2679290 knightowl77
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Hell - if you use your Free Speech today and some group doesn't like what you said - they label you a "hater", a "racist", a "homophobe", a whatever......

Too many are marginalised, attacking the messenger and not the message....Political correctness has done much to shut down any opposition. If we want people to speak up, we need to eliminate this PC crap

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 10:15 | 2679301 Revert_Back_to_...
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When they give you a label as a 'hater', they are participating in a form of hate themselves 'name calling' and therefore are opposed against themselves and can be ignored.

"I am a hater and I hate you because you are a hater." - a HATER.

Where is the love?  We could at least try to take care of each other!


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 19:11 | 2680370 Michael
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Hell - if you use your Free Speech today and some group doesn't like what you said - they label you a "hater", a "racist", a "homophobe", a whatever......

These are extreme labels and I label people who use them as "Extremists". Fight fire with fire.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:32 | 2679090 Harbanger
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We're 923 Executive orders closer to your list than before.  Four more years and we're done.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 13:11 | 2679400 lesterbegood
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It's not a government. It is a private corporation masquerading as a government (Organic Act of 1871, 28 USC 3002). All US citizens/persons are bonded chattel of this corporation (HJR 192 c.1933).

The Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944 quit-claim deeded the DISTRICT OF COLOMBIA corporation to the IMF. The US flag is copywrited property of the BRITISH CROWN. US laws aka the UCC is copywrited British law.

The only lawful government in America today is the Republic for the united States of America.


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:46 | 2680115 Revert_Back_to_...
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"Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes"

I like you guys...but...

You guys are a side effect of what is going on, not the solution.  Go read the Declaration of Independence.

"Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise;"

People who will not study history are doomed to repeat it.  That above line has an effect to.

"the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within."

The people who wrote that thing werre no pikers.   Read it! 

"For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:"

Sound like the corporation that you guys are always complaining about? 

How did they handle that back then?

I will give you a hint.  Well read copies of Blackstones Commentaries and the Bible.

Find out who you are.   Find out what one person can do.

If you find the right remedy, it will be simple, lawful, self apparent and the 'bad guys' will run away like little girls.



Sun, 08/05/2012 - 12:06 | 2679464 1100-TACTICAL-12
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30,000 drones, coming our way, cameras on every corner. Who's watching the watchers ?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 04:33 | 2679133 StavropolJames
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I agree and also add that since the US government openly supports the terrorist group MEK (it's on the State Department list of recognized terrorist groups), and is working WITH al Qaeda plus countless others, anyone who give aid or support to the US Government is guilty under the NDAA and must be punished. 

So, don't support the US government by paying taxes because it's against the law (NDAA)

And don't vote or work on the Novemeber election because that's against the law, too.

The US Government could relieve this confusion if they would just post a list of terrorist organizations we can support and ones we can't support.  Or should I say, which lies to believe and which lies not to believe?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:45 | 2679288 dark pools of soros
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Americorp is ran as big business and the bosses want it both ways since planning is too much work

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 05:13 | 2679142 _ConanTheLibert...
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so basicly they are trolls (terrorists accusing others for being terrorists)

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:31 | 2679264 Revert_Back_to_...
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How can you have a war on terrorisim when war itself is terrorism? - Howard Zinn

He wasn't kidding when he gave this speech.

Listen at around 1:40..hey he was the original conspiracy theroist.

Just two years after he was gone the Coinage Act of 1965 was passed.

Ended 172 years of a 'Dollar' that was defined as a weight of silver.

For 172 years, that amount never changed.   That is one of the reasons the USA was so sucessful.

The Eagle was the unit of weight and measure for gold coin.


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 05:59 | 2679151 WTFx10
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They take their orders from their leader Israel and the owner of that piss ant state the ROTHSCHILDS. Why does it continue?

What has Iran done to the USA? They stopped exporting pistashio nuts to us back in 80.

They do not belong to the ROTHSCHILDS Criminal Banking syndicate, if you dont belong you can't be controlled.

NO NATION would go to war with a BANK as who would fund it? But all Nations should?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:30 | 2679020 Peter Pan
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That pink slime at least tasted alright until the truth became known. But what about the slime that supposedly should be providing leadership to a nation that has spent itself broke making enemies and has reduced its nation to an unemployed mass of food stamp dependent citizens who are refused the right to even a rate of pay that can maintain some level of dignity.

That slime is becoming less transparent, less accountable and less mindful by the day.

The bad news is that their hold over wealth, the police, the judiciary, the army and the press as well as the internet, means that the situation will not only get worse for any man who does not live in Wall Street, but will last far longer than any of us suspect.

Their great hope is that they can continue this charade long enough for a whole new generation to be raised under these conditions so that to them their plight will seem normal.

Great nations are supposed to die fighting for their people, for justice, for principles, for freedom.

The great nation of America will either die or morph into something vile unless someone can resurrect the spirit of America as envisaged by Washington, Jefferson and other great men who sacrificed thir wealth, their children and their own lives for what they believed in and cherished.

i am not an American by birth, but there has laways been a part of me that feels American. That part is sad, frustrated and angry. So my question to you Americans out there is, if you are feeling anything for your nation and your children's future, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 03:11 | 2679104 Harbanger
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"Great nations are supposed to die fighting for their people, for justice, for principles, for freedom."

Interesting, I've never heard that before.  Sure you don't have it backwards?  I've heard of men dying for justice, principles, freedom and country.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 03:31 | 2679115 Peter Pan
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I see your point but I also see the nation as being the collective force of those able bodied and patriotic individuals who are actually able to bear arms. Google the expression "the nation will rise up" or similar words and you will get the drift of what I mean.




Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:55 | 2679021 Peter Pan
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:35 | 2679022 Peter Pan
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:37 | 2679023 Peter Pan
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 11:38 | 2679413 Jack Burton
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Bravo! Precious. That says it all, and American's will eat it, even knowing what it is! Speaks volumes about the decay of a once great nation and people!

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:45 | 2678924 AlaricBalth
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As defined in the National Defense Authorization Act; Title X, Subtitle D, sub-sections 1021 and 1022:
You have been designated a malcontent and are now considered a threat to National Security of the United States of America. The Stellar Wind Worldwide HydraSquid Algorithm has detected an anomaly from your IP address and hereby orders you to surrender yourself to the nearest law enforcement agency. A Skynet airborne drone has been dispatched to your MGRS coordinates to ensure compliance with this directive. Upon your voluntary arrival at LEA, you will then be relocated to one of the DHS re-education facilities in an undisclosed location.

This is the only notice you will receive.
Resistance or non-compliance will be met with extreme prejudice.


Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:01 | 2678936 Michael
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For your information I'm ubercontent, so that definition doesn't apply to me. I also live close to high tension power lines and am not worried about drones buzzing my home. In fact, I would enjoy seeing those drones getting tangled in those lines.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:15 | 2678945 economics9698
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Fuck the government; I want 5 new nations, one for me and fellow libertarians.  200 million red necks waiting for the fiat to die.  Payback is a bitch NYC, we will chase those MFs everywhere on the planet and hang their ass for 100 years of thievery.  These MFs can get me but there are 199 million that will take my place.  They will be hunted, they will be killed.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:13 | 2679007 madridisburning
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You have no idea how many of us would like to give you that new nation. What the hell, different strokes for different folks. But, barring that, won't Texas do?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:41 | 2679279 Papasmurf
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How's your plan working so far? . . .

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 04:11 | 2679126 SoCalBusted
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The high tension power lines near your home explains quite a bit.  Protection they are not.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 03:13 | 2679105 AnAnonymous
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Power usually tries to suppress threats to power.

When you are no threat, you are not suppressed.

This is how it works but US citizens like to overestimate their own importance.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:30 | 2680088 Mad Cow
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That is (one of) the dumbest fucking things I've ever read, and that 5 morons (so far) up-voted makes it is even worse.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 08:17 | 2679206 midtowng
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Where were these calls for arresting the president when Bush was giving money to al-Qaeda linked terrorist organizations?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:27 | 2679261 economics9698
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:55 | 2679293 Watauga
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Seriously.  Where were the calls for arresting W?  Oh my goodness, you could not turn on a television, open a website, or listen to a radio station without hearing that Bush was Hitler and should not only be impeached, but executed.  He was evil incarnate.  A monster.  To this day, the rants continue, from the White House down to psoters on this website.  The ranting and raving and screams for the guillotine (figuratively speaking) for W were what drove the horrific years of 2008-2010, and still drive the Statist Left today.  Bush was painted as Satan, and the masses bought into it, giving the hideous Statist Left control of the nation's government, without any checks on its power.

No doubt Bush stunk as a President.  He was merely another Statist in Republican clothing.  But Bush was, pardon the expression, a pale, pale imitation of the Statist-in-Chief currently occupying the people's house at 1900 PA Ave. 

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 13:26 | 2679653 midtowng
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Sure, there were calls for Bush to be arrested...for war crimes. Crimes there is no doubt that he committed. I was asking about arresting Bush for supporting terrorist organizations. I never heard anything about that.

Considering that Obama has continued most of Bush's foreign and domestic policies, I have to wonder how you arrive at the conclusion that he is worse.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 13:35 | 2679674 Michael
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Without free speech and freedom, there can be no real innovation.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:38 | 2678848 PatientZero
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Because there are enough people that seriously don't give a shit or if they do, they insist on burying their heads in the sand and hoping all the bad things go away or resolve themselves.

We are, my friend, in a small minority. Most folks are content with being told what to do and how to live their lives so long as the Fed Notes keep rolling in. The pro-government "you must do things peacefully and vote!" propaganda is too storng and most people don't want to rock the boat, knowing full well that if they do, they'll be tasered, beaten and arrested at the very least and shot to death at the worst -- realizing that the cops will at most get paid "administrative leave" for doing so.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:11 | 2678887 SgtShaftoe
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+1 x 1000000 Well said!

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:36 | 2678917 vast-dom
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ponzi death planet tptb will slaughter everyone with a smile or a mock caring expression. obummer and all of dc are murderers, irrespective of party. this is how this ponzi death planet works. to give the PEOPLE with the resources a chance to increase living standards is anathema to these sociopaths. to not extract life and plasma from workers to make iGizmos is the UnAmerican way..............

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:05 | 2678935 Precious
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Lets just call it the Obama Doctrine and that should make it legal enough.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:44 | 2678972 engineertheeconomy
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Ponzi Slavery Death Planet. And you're right, Steve Jobs was an idiot

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:59 | 2678987 vast-dom
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jobs is genius, at any all cost.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:20 | 2678898 Apostate2
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I have these 'burying my head in the sands' moments as well as I will visit the casino (invest in the 'market') again. Now I buy a Mark six ticket, go to the beach and if I catch myself dreaming of the win I go soak my head in the sea. Being all wet is better than being hung out to dry. 

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:09 | 2678943 JohnKozac
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The laws, my friend, are for  'The Little People.'

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 03:44 | 2679120 Treason Season
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Really, if the lower orders don’t set us a good example, what on earth is the use of them?
From 'The Importance of Being Earnest'

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:15 | 2678894 css1971
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Because they're not just theives and liars, they are also murderers as well.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 06:43 | 2679168 Kobe Beef
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The murderers call the shots, the thieves fund the action, the liars cover it up. Behold! The USSA power pyramid.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:21 | 2678951 A Lunatic
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Someone once posed this question: Who is the bigger fool..........the fool or the one who follows the fool?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:10 | 2679002 GMadScientist
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They're more of a cyclic order, in a mathematical sense.


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:07 | 2678999 madridisburning
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Tell me, oh wise sage, has life for humans gotten worse over these past 7000 years since the whole barbaric institution thing started?

Once again, ZH, flies out of orbit out into the unknown universe of ideas.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 03:16 | 2679106 AnAnonymous
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For US citizens, increase is no disputable. For the others, well, data yield interesting material.

But US citizens less and less body count. So indeed, with a survival approach, as long as one survives, the goal is reached.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 05:44 | 2679149 WTFx10
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 08:18 | 2679208 MillionDollarBoner_
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< Yes - please rush me "Thoughts of Chairman AnAnon" - I am retarded

< No - I am not interested - STFU

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 05:44 | 2679148 WTFx10
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ZH has nothing to do with it. You seem to think your replying to a person,  (zerohedage) it is a web site. You are a person ,a dumb one but still a person.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 13:08 | 2679607 Central Bankster
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You obviously do not know the difference between causation and correlation.  Additionally, one form of government must be better than another when scaled?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 07:36 | 2679192 ISEEIT
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THEY are getting ready. 450 million times over. It's been covered here repeatedly that the least costly and most likely to succeed option is peaceful non- compliance. STOP participating. Anyone can engage in non- compliance. You as an individual must choose this option and you have literally for all practical purposes unlimited ways of expressing your non-compliance.

Unfortunately the demons are ahead of us though. If you can't see that the machine is intentionally gunning for destruction then I suppose you like the rear view mirror?

The fact is that an epic clash is being staged and they are making plans, The stage is being set. They are not stupid. They are evil and evil uses stupid as a mask to deceive and disarm you. The state of our collective malaise is intentional and by design.

The State is the ultimate vampire and we are what it requires to fuel it's literally evil desires. The Beast is aware that we are aware and so soon it shall act to correct what it perceives as the threat to it's dominance (us).

It knows that we know and so very soon the mask will simply come off and at that point rules are cancelled and reality will be manifest.

The 'party' is nearly over.

Think seriously about that which we know of the character of these beast who enslave us? Consider all that we know they have done. From central banking in full fractional reserve glory to 9/11. The 'civil' war to the leviathan we are serving under today.

The 99% prefer to go along to get along and that is precisely how it succeeds.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 23:16 | 2680847 williambanzai7
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Nobody 2012

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:12 | 2678805 New_Meat
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In a psychedelic dream.  Nyet in reality, unless we devolve into ...

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:12 | 2678806 sabra1
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Teresa Ghilarducci 

Epilogue: MF Global, PFG Best, and now the Knight Capital "algo error". One of the reasons that the government is gleefully relishing in the disintegration of the financial markets is because they WANT people to BEG the government to "nationalize" and "guarantee" retirement accounts. They are building a dossier to argue that the markets aren't safe (but remember, the markets have disintegrated BECAUSE of the actions and responsorial inactions of the oligarchs and their bureaucrat cronies). That's what Communists do. This is the Cloward-Piven Strategy in full execution. Intentionally cause the system to collapse, then whip up the "useful idiots" into a frenzy, and finally seize total power AT THE INVITATION OF THE PEOPLE. The Russians BEGGED for Lenin and the Bolsheviks. They DEMANDED tyranny. The Germans BEGGED for the Third Reich and Hitler. They DEMANDED tyranny.

Before it is over here, the people of the United States, monumentally more stupid, godless and most especially HELPLESS, will BEG the government to take over their retirement accounts - to save them from the very market that the government has coordinated with the Bankster Oligarchs to destroy.

Get your money the hell out and USE IT TO PREPARE FOR COLLAPSE AND WAR.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:37 | 2678847 Dr. Engali
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I've been advising clients for years and now warning them on this topic. They look at me like I'm nucking futs. Especially when I advise them to protect themselves with some precious metals. I think that 1 in 20 will listen. Less than that will take action.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:46 | 2679095 DeltaDawn
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Any correlation in the group that listens? I can't find any in my group. Are we talking intuition? Common sense?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 07:06 | 2679178 CunnyFunt
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An associate told me recently how much fiat he was depositing in separate accounts for his children every week. I asked him if he trusted the banks, to which he replied, "the banks don't mess with your money". Then I suggested he save silver or gold eagles for his kids rather than fiat. He asked, "do you mean like BONDS, or something?"

I've given up.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:38 | 2678850 MinnesotaMD
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The "planners" are real confident. So confident they are not even trying to persuade anymore. Just read some "New economic thinking" at the Soros funded institute for New Economic Thinking" website. It is scary how godlike these destroyers think they are. There is an eery soulessness in their faces.

Hard sometimes to sit back and watch them try to manipulate reality. They think they can simply alter your perception, and the details dont matter. Like the BLS, spot silver, LIBOR, gold, refined gas, even what gets covered on the news. There is no happy ending in this.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:27 | 2678957 XitSam
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You're right. The Institute for New Economic Thinking (the title alone should be a warning) says this:

... policymakers and the public should listen to economists who fulfill two critera: first, they have made empirically testable predictions that have proved, by and large, to be broadly consistent with the data; and second, they base those predictions on an analytic framework (not necessarily a formal model) that is persuasive.

So who does he list? First up is Krugman. They willfully ignore all the times Krugman has been wrong. Good grief. The way statists take two facts and then declare the opposite of those facts amazes me. Actually what it reminds me of is reading about the Ukranian starvation of the early 1930s. The Communists would issue quotas that couldn't be met, then raid the houses declaring that since the residents were still alive, they must be hiding food from the state. The Communists that perpetrated atrocities got to live and were fed. It seems that mindless followers like Occupy exactly fit the mold of low-level Party enforcers. There is no happy ending in this.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:02 | 2678990 MinnesotaMD
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INET is scary. Rachel Wells of Princeton says professors should discuss the lots of capitalism and how free markets are failing modern man. These are "free markets?" I'm in healthcare, and it is the antithesis of free market

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:10 | 2679003 madridisburning
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FYI, you probably mean Robin Wells, who happens to be Paul Krugman's wife.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:04 | 2678992 MinnesotaMD
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INET is scary. Rachel Wells of Princeton says professors should discuss the lots of capitalism and how free markets are failing modern man. These are "free markets?" I'm in healthcare, and it is the antithesis of free market

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 05:05 | 2679139 joe6px
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I just want to expound on your argument.  There is so much discontent in the country right now that I feel the Occupy movement is a mislead group.  Don't discount their ability to change things.  The hippies were given the same status by the normalcy group.  Look how they have changed the nation...we would have never had a debate about socialism.  Now we are eating the shit sandwich they made for us, never knowing that the USSR actually won the psychological war even while losing the 'cold war'.  Why does the red cross exist?  Why does the local church's soup line exist?  Because the private sector, believing in humanitarian relief, takes care of local problems.  That's how Americans do what we do.  Screw FEMA, local and private NGO's can provide better service than a bloated Federal agency.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:38 | 2680106 WillyGroper
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>>>>>>>The hippies were given the same status by the normalcy group.  Look how they have changed the nation...we would have never had a debate about socialism.  Now we are eating the shit sandwich they made for us,


Have you been getting ur water from Love Canal?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 08:32 | 2679219 MillionDollarBoner_
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Keynes called it "the euthanasia of the rentier"

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 03:18 | 2679108 AnAnonymous
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The "planners" are real confident. So confident they are not even trying to persuade anymore.


They have understood that their arguments'charm is long gone and it is useless to keep propagating if they did not renew the stock.

Usually, a middle class brings a lot of inertia to a system and in US citizenism, the middle class is the king class.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 04:46 | 2679138 joe6px
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Is that how things are in China?  You are correct for once in that the middle class will bring the US back, but it won't be the same US that gave China preferred trading status.  The only reason China is enjoying the ride is because Clinton, or rather, the banks; decided that the Chinese slaves could produce more than the US CITIZENS who demanded a better wage.  Good luck with your slave wages and totalitarian government.  The US will, if not in it's entirety, continue to best you.  Land your Chinese troops and see what comes.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 07:12 | 2679181 northerngirl
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"Land your Chinese troops and see what comes".  You would be surprised how many American's would welcome the, "Chinese Troops".  Disagree?  Look at Obama's approval rating, and what the Republican's are offering as the alternative?  Neither one will be good for our country one will just drive slower than the other.  Then again we should remeber that America has a long history of sending the wrong people to Washington, otherwise we would not be in this mess.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 12:23 | 2679506 AnAnonymous
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The US is likely to keep being the place where the resources are consumed.

But it does not mean that this will be a born right.

We The People exists to dilute responsibility.

When it comes to sharing the loot, it depends all on the available loot.

See you soon being forced to move out of the US because you no longer belong to the place, moving abroad to rebuild 'America' and spread 'Americanism'. Do your part in the new wave of colonization triggered by 'Americans'

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:48 | 2680125 Mad Cow
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 05:43 | 2679147 joe6px
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Goodness..your best retort was a down vote?!!  AnAnonynous has no credibility!  Forgive me loyal ZH readers, I had to feed the troll, and now that troll is proven a shithead.  I hope I didn't get you sent to a labor camp.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 12:25 | 2679510 AnAnonymous
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I never vote up or down comments. It is group effects valued by US citizens, for whom the group is all.

You know, as US citizenism is spreading, the probability that anyone who is born on the Earth is born in a labour camp, keeps increasing.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:30 | 2678908 reader2010
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Those that are too retarded to conform will be sent to the Joy Camps by the Ministry of Love.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:24 | 2679016 swamp
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Those 'who' ...

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:12 | 2679054 Money Squid
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Dem dat be 2 rtarded....

pppfffff...OMFG whered u lrn 2tweet?

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:51 | 2678978 Urban Roman
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Minus one point for "Cloward-Piven".

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:08 | 2679000 madridisburning
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Perhaps you should get your money out and use it for a shrink, or, at least, some psychotropic drugs better than the ones you are currently on.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:24 | 2679063 AurorusBorealus
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You are precisely correct.  Totalitarianism arises from the people... from the bottom up... not the top down.  The people will demand tyranny... they always do in times of trouble.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 04:37 | 2679135 joe6px
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I believe you are preaching to the choir here.  There are rumors of terrible boating accidents involving life savings, and some posters here actually believe in guns!  Oh My!  When the government redefines math and gives us the all clear...that's when we worry most.   Thank you for your post, but you are six to nine months too late.  Try to get a D*MS upper from Midw*y in 20".  With all the paranoia about now... if you are just of luck.  Focus on your neighborhood first, because local control is all that we have.  Food first, then everything else.  My best regards.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:13 | 2678807 dick cheneys ghost
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plenty of room at GITMO for these whores........ banksters too and dont forget the neo-cons..............

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:18 | 2678896 nmewn
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So his Executive Order meant...nothing?

This is distressing ;-)

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:13 | 2678808 analyzer_66
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In that case, the Bush family ties to the Bin Laden family should be placed under further scrutiny.  Al Queda after all is simply another creation of our own Central Intelligence Agency.  The same CIA that flew tons of cocaine using landing strips in Mena Arkansas during the Clinton administration.  The fact is that every politician in DC leaves a long trail of slime behind them and in an election year, they need staff just to clean up the slime trails to make all the lobbying and influence PAC money seem slightly kosher to a totally unsuspecting electorate. 

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:20 | 2678818 AUD
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The laws we make for others, don't apply to us... We do what we want.

  Jello Biafra & NoMeansNo 1991

Jello had it right 20 years ago, even if as I suspect, he's a lefty poofter.



Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:05 | 2678879 Apostate2
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Seventy-eight years ago another lefty poofty did with music

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:11 | 2679005 GMadScientist
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Are you braindamaged in some way?

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:31 | 2678824 Dr. Engali
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Yes , them and every other member of our crooked government.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:26 | 2678831 death_to_fed_tyranny
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If the 4th branch of government would wake the fuck up, we would be storming the Corporate District of Columbia!

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:42 | 2678858 MinnesotaMD
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If you mean the press, they are not only bought and paid for, they are also morally rudderless, immune to knowing right from wrong, and they are lazy to boot.

They seem to get real joy in using their power to push the rock over the cliff.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:39 | 2679093 DeltaDawn
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How is that moral relativism working for us now?

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 07:49 | 2679197 death_to_fed_tyranny
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The 4th Branch of Government is We The People. You know the ones who are busy watching dancing with the stars and the americas got talent,etc.etc.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:28 | 2678836 lolmao500
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Hell yeah.

If the army did it's freaking job of protecting the constitution from enemies, foreign and domestic, most presidents would have been arrested within a year into their first term... especially since LBJ...including LBJ.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 11:49 | 2678974's picture

It would have been nice to see LBJ in the pokey but I'm more than satisfied with his actual fate.  Seeing that power mad SOB reduced to the point where he refused to wield further power was magnificent.


Behind the scenes video -  very cool:

Televised version:

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:12 | 2679006 GMadScientist
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Since pick which one.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:28 | 2678837 rehypothecator
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Do Federal laws no longer apply to lawmakers?


Seriously?  Did they ever?  In the past, lawmakers exempted themselves from insider trading laws, from Social(ist in)Security, from some of the healthcare mandates in the past ... laws are for little people.  If it weren't for double standards, lawmakers would have no standards at all.  

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:44 | 2678862 Colonel
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Joseph Palmi: Let me ask you something... we Italians, we got our families, and we got the church; the Irish, they have the homeland, Jews their tradition; even the niggers, they got their music. What about you people, Mr. Wilson, what do you have?
Edward Wilson: The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.

 The Good Shepherd (2006)

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 08:37 | 2679222 MillionDollarBoner_
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Do Federal laws no longer apply to lawmakers?

Is DC legally a member of the United States?


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:58 | 2680145 Tom Green Swedish
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As Nixon said to Frost.  "It's not illegal if the president does it"?

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:45 | 2678841 LeisureSmith
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There are plenty of floating fortresses in the MENA to go all out 1984 and end some lives and destroy some human labour. And to answer aziz's question: Yes... but they won't be, the NDAA only applies to the proles.

edited because apparently i can't read.


Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:38 | 2678851 czarangelus
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What's the T-minus until I'm an official unperson for not supporting al-Queda? I don't want to miss the cutoff; I have a car to pay off.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:39 | 2678852 Savyindallas
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This is nothing new  -the Al Quada Division of the CIA helped pull off defeating the Russians in Afghanistan, provided patsies for the 911 operation, did valuable service in the iraq operation, the Libyan coup, the Afghanistan opium trade, and now Syria and next Iran. Yes we should indict and hang Obama for treason  -but the same can be said of Bush and Cheney  too. In fact , there are thousands of treasonous criminals who should be strung up for treason  - Banksters, politicians , the media. We're going to need a lot of trees, so thank the tree huggers for their foresight.  

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:45 | 2678864 Dr. Engali
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Pretty funny. The tree hugger comment that is... The rest isn't funny at all. Unless of course you're satan or the Bernank.. Who could possibly be one in the same.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:51 | 2678870 Savyindallas
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Yeah sure  -I'm Satan-and i;ve been doing my best to stop Bush, Cheney, Obama, Llodyd Blankfein, Bernanke , etc. from doing God's work. God also wants us to invade Iran and Syria and he wants QE3 in September  -so I'm working overtime to thwart his plans.   -  

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 00:08 | 2679001 slewie the pi-rat
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this is a great theological insight

are you married?

i was gonna write-in tyler for prez, but you have made me wanna lead a parade for...  SATAN!

vote for satan, BiCheZ! 

...if she can't do it, no one can!  strike up the fuking band!  ...what a campaign we shall have...

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:15 | 2679059 Money Squid
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i once lived with a woman possessed by satan. What a bitch. No, seriously.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 01:30 | 2679064 slewie the pi-rat
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did she use a strap-0n?


Sun, 08/05/2012 - 21:27 | 2680611 Money Squid
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Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:14 | 2678893 nmewn
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Apparently its trees that haven't had spikes driven into them by tree huggers to kill or maim loggers ;-)

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:23 | 2678901 SgtShaftoe
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I'm building my plan to move my family out of country. My family cannot afford to be without a father. I don't have much hope in the low level cop or soldier anymore. Hopefully the Ron Paul people who have infiltrated the GOP will be able to make a difference, but I.dont know.

Shit will very likely get very bad. Hopefully that will bring more people to the ron Paul principles. That will be the stay/bail out decision point, if not earlier.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:56 | 2678981's picture


Hopefully the Ron Paul people who have infiltrated the GOP will be able to make a difference, but I.dont know.


The Ron Paul people who have infiltrated the complacency of everyday life are the ones who can make a difference. Rule yourself wisely and lead by example.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 07:23 | 2679186 billwilson
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Haha, and where would you move too? Every other civilized developed nation has national health care, most have pretty strong gun control laws, most have a decent education systems. 

The Ron Paul view of the world is held by only a few folks ... and very very few outside of the US. So you are best to stay home.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 10:26 | 2679306 Haager
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The Ron Paul people need votes, mostly from the very people that stay quite ignorant at home. 

The truth is of course that noone knows for sure that Paul would be the game changer unless it is tried successfully. There are TPTB that possibly would dislike that to happen.

I mean, the people should not vote for Paul because of Paul, they should do it to regain freedom and the right to decide. So we are all needed to voice our opinion to get our rights back. That doesn't necessarily lead into an election of Paul, but if there are a lot of voices asking for liberty and so on, that would already change things.

in times of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act (Orwell)


Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:48 | 2678975 Mr Pink
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Is there a 1-800 number I can call and report these criminals? Now that would be fun...until the IRS audit

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 23:59 | 2678986's picture

Just visit the DHS section of your local Walmart:

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 02:31 | 2679089 Bloodstock
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Trees and rope, tar and feathers! Jail, throw away the keys!

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 09:45 | 2679286 toomanyfakecons...
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Oh hey, the MASS ARRESTS going to go way back to Bush and Clinton. It's not just the current crop that is going to the clink!

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:39 | 2678854 blindman
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yup. arrest the status quo!

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:41 | 2678856 reader2010
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al-Qaeda has been on the payroll since 1982, and what's wrong with that? 

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:45 | 2678865 blindman
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al q = the banker's mercenaries.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:46 | 2678866 JustObserving
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The Noble prize winner has never seen a war that he did not like and the US media as usual are gung ho for more wars:


In its slavish hypocrisy and propaganda, special mention must be reserved for the role of the American media, which is moving into full war mode. On Friday morning, the New York Times published a lead article by C.J. Chivers, which opened by declaring that “diplomatic efforts [are] dead and the future of Syria [is] playing out on the battlefield.” The announcement by Kofi Annan on Friday that he will resign as UN negotiator for Syria is seen as confirmation of the end to all negotiations with the Assad government.

The US media has enthusiastically endorsed the anti-Assad forces, even after it has been widely reported that Al Qaeda is active among them. This ranges from the sympathetic portrayal on last night’s ABC News show of anti-Assad youth, armed with Kalashnikovs and driven to fight by faith in Allah, to Chivers and the Times praising anti-Assad insurgents’ use of roadside bombs.

In the Orwellian world of American bourgeois politics, no one stops to ask how to resolve the crying contradiction between US policy in Syria and its claim it is fighting a “war on terror.”

If the media cannot answer or indeed even ask such questions, it is because the answer is too explosive: the “war on terror”—ostensibly the basis of US politics for over a decade—is a pack of lies. Washington makes or breaks de facto alliances with Al Qaeda purely based on the cynical calculation of its imperialist interests.

Why is Washington fighting Assad and backing the brutal regime of Afghan President Hamid Karzai? The answer has nothing to with democracy or a fight against Islamist terrorism. It is that the US and its allies have first pickings of Afghanistan’s mineral wealth and enjoy the advantages of controlling its highly strategic location. Syria, however, is as an ally of Iran and Russia. It is considered a threat to Israel and, more broadly, to US hegemony in the Middle East.


Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:08 | 2678882 reader2010
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He is smart enough to know which side of his bread is buttered.

Sun, 08/05/2012 - 04:21 | 2679129 joe6px
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My only objection to your argument is the use of the term 'Gung Ho' ... which means, in a general way, striving for unity (stemming from the China Marines).  The US government is striving for something the moment.  They lie to us every day and the masses accept it.  Please tell me how the US is different than Argentina?  The final unity comes from the end of a gun, just ask Mao.


Sat, 08/04/2012 - 22:04 | 2678873 Colonel
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There are these parasites in rats that make the rats attracted to cat urine. Reminiscent of voting for the current crop of pols. Excluding RP.

Sat, 08/04/2012 - 21:59 | 2678874 apberusdisvet
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The only "Terror" we face is what the Government reinforces with the TSA and the now militarized police.  And it's going to get much worse and very soon.

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