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Guest Post: Snapback - Stockton, Calif. And All The Cities To Follow

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Snapback: Stockton, Calif. and All the Cities to Follow

Government promises to public employees have created "zero-risk" Wonderlands protected from the market forces of risk and consequence. These islands of privilege are snapping back to join the real economy.

Every government entity that reckoned it was moated from the market economy will be snapped back to "discover" risk and consequence. Let's lay out the dynamic:

1. Every government can only spend what its economy generates in surplus.

2. Every government transfers risk and consequence from itself, its employees and its favored vested interests to the citizenry and taxpayers.

3. Every government collects and distributes the surplus of its private sector to its employees, favored constituencies and vested interests.

4. Since the government (State) promises guaranteed salaries, benefits and entitlements to its employees and favored constituencies, these individuals believe they are living in a risk-free Wonderland that is completely protected from the market economy.

5. Risk cannot be repealed or eliminated, it can only be masked or transferred to others.

6. The Federal government and the Federal Reserve have pursued a policy of inflating serial speculative credit-based bubbles.

7. These bubbles inflated assets, profits and taxes, creating the illusion that blow-off speculative tops were "the new normal."

8. Speculative credit-based bubbles misallocate capital and incentivize malinvestment on a spectacular scale.

9. Once the bubble deflates, the capital is lost or trapped in illiquid malinvestments.

10. As a direct result of the dot-com bubble, Stockton's tax revenues (general fund) leaped to $139 million in 2001. As a direct consequence of the housing bubble, it jumped to $186 million in 2007.

11. This "new normal" encouraged the belief that the stock market would double or triple every decade into the future, generating 8%+ annual returns for public union employee pension funds.

12. The city government granted employees open-ended guarantees of lifetime healthcare coverage.

13. This meant that there was no limit on the cost of each employee's benefits.

14. As noted here many times, healthcare costs rise by 7%-10% every year, even as the economy which supports healthcare grows by 2% on average.

15. Healthcare alone will bankrupt the nation, and the bankruptcy of entities that promised open-ended healthcare is merely one manifestation of the coming bankruptcy of the entire sickcare/entitlement Status Quo.

16. Once the stock market reverts to the mean and is revalued to the "new normal" of global recession and low earnings growth, it will decline by 40% or more and yields will remain around 2%.

17. Pension funds earning 2% at best based on expectations of permanent 8% returns cannot sustainably pay the benefits promised.

18. If the city attempts to make up the shortfall annually, the services provided to the citizenry will be gutted. The risk and consequence of malinvestment and favoritism has been offloaded onto the citizens while those protected by the government moat live "risk-free" lives of guaranteed pensions and benefits.

19. The public-employee pension and healthcare benefits were separated from the market economy with this government guarantee: regardless of what happens in the real economy, you will be paid pensions and benefits that have zero exposure to the market economy and private-sector pensions/benefits.

20. In effect, the government has placed its employees and vested interests in a moated "risk-free" zone outside the market economy. The risk that is distributed to all participants in an open market (i.e. a democracy) is transferred to the citizens and taxpayers.

21. Any government that siphons off an increasing share of its taxpayers' disposable income (to distribute to the privileged few) in return for declining services will eventually be overthrown by the citizenry and taxpayers who must bear the full consequences of the city's mismanagement of their capital and income.

22. Every city, county and state in the U.S. which has secured a risk-free wonderland for its favored few will "snap back" into the real economy and face the discipline of the credit market and the "discovery" of price and value.

23. Risk cannot be eliminated by government mandate, it can only be transferred to others. No government entity can maintain a "risk-free" fortress outside the market forever. The moat around Wonderland will be drained or filled, regardless of what promises were made.

24. Government has no mechanism to transparently price risk, value and return on investment. The market will "discover" all these and re-set government services and salaries accordingly.


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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:30 | 2591763 camaro68ss
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I live 20 min from Stockton, what a S*** hole that place has become. theres a rule in our area, dont get gas in stockton unless you want to get jumped.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:37 | 2591783 MillionDollarBonus_
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It's all about "public-private" initiatives. This is the compromise that we're all looking for. Successful public-private initiatives include:

1. The emergency financing of AIG and General Motors

2. Government financing of green technologies

3. Public hiring of construction contractors to build roads and bridges

4. Congress working with health insurance companies to make sure that everyone gets good quality healthcare

5. The CIA working with companies like GOOGLE to track and monitor potential domestic terrorists

The thing I love about 'PP' initiatives is they appeal to people from all parts of the political spectrum. Let's stop arguing and AGREE on something for once. What kind of public-private schemes do YOU want to see? I want to hear YOUR ideas.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:41 | 2591798 King_of_simpletons
Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:53 | 2592106 Bicycle Repairman
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Let's see what's possible.... fees for every single service..., increase and collect fines like crazy....add new enforcement e.g. red light cameras, parking meters .... raise property taxes (for the children) .... increase asset seizures ... frack for gas ..... increase water and sewer fees me out here, I still haven't balanced the budget.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:22 | 2592240 Sofa King Confused
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Everybody can and will do what Scranton, Pa just did.  The mayor just cut over 400 city employees down to $7.25 per hour ( minimum wage) .  Thats police, firefighters, public works and even himself.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:20 | 2592741 DutchR
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And what happens next you ask?

Scranton's police, fire, DPW unions file lawsuit against salary cuts:



Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:18 | 2592936 Sofa King Confused
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I am not advocating that this is right or wrong but in my opinion they just need to go bankrupt write off the debt and start over.  I have mixed feelings on this.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:40 | 2591799 EscapeKey
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Fucking LOL, one of your better ones imo. I especially like

Government financing of green technologies

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:45 | 2591821 Dr. Richard Head
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MDB did a wonderful job of listing absolute failures of PP, otherwise known as fascism. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:57 | 2591862 TruthInSunshine
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I can hardly await the embarrassed silence of Joe Weisenthal, wanna-be-professional-fertilzer-spreader and proxist mouthpiece of TPTB, just like his hero, Paul Krugman, when Meredith Whitney proves to be correct but merely early on her call (just as Michael Burry was on his 'Big Short' on MBS) regarding the mass bankrupties of cities, townships and villages from coast to coast (their revenue is still plunging even after 5.2 trillion in fiat conjuring in just 4 years, and another 7 trillion in fiatski pledges to back the loans of others to whom they may actully belong; grand total thus far in direct conjuring creation of fiat = 12+ trillion in 4 years).

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:11 | 2591932 Dr. Richard Head
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The arrogance of Joe and Peter Schiff in a debate would make for interesting times.  Keiser has had Printing Pants Joe on his show, but I don't recall Joe and Schiff ever chatting in a forum. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:21 | 2591986 Popo
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Agreed.  Joe Weisenthal is one of the more pathetic weasels on the web.   Someone, somewhere apparently convinced him he was a professional journalist and not low paid employee of a cheesy, sensationalist clickbait blog.   Love the shades though, duuuude.

If you're going to suck up to TPTB at least do it for the money.  What's his excuse exactly?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:10 | 2591889 DaveyJones
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very nice

6. regulatory, criminal, and financial industries working together to mend and discipline the financial industry

7.  petroleum and military agencies cooperating to discover new, affordable, and peaceful energy 

8. inteligence and psychological agencies harmonizing constitutional and accurate methods of extracting information  

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:40 | 2591800 TrainWreck1
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I would like to see some sort of robot Al Gore that would monitor us for planet abuse.

Fleets of these Gorebots could be made in idled factories (Perhaps where the Chevy Volt is supposed to be made?) stimulating the economy.

Given TSA-like powers, every citizen will demand their own Gorebot, to ensure their safety from, well whoevver it is that is trying to get us, and save GAIA in the process.

It would be win-win-win-win-win.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:41 | 2591803 Kayman
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I want to see a public flogging of a private troll.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:47 | 2591828 francis_sawyer
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I'd like to see a public trust fund started so that I may obtain private lap dances from Katie Holmes whenever the mood strikes me...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:00 | 2591880 GMadScientist
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Thanks, L. Ron.

Tom is Xenu!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:05 | 2592887 Pool Shark
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John Travolta is Xenu,

Tom is a Body Thetan.

Oh, and Paul is the Walrus...



Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:15 | 2591958 victor82
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Can we see Krugman and Tom Cruise flogged at the same time as Al Gore?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:51 | 2594057 TruthInSunshine
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I believe Paul Krugman is a scientologist.

That's probably how his proposed 177 trillion USD Hostile Alien Invasion Earth Defense Network Stimulus Plan was hatched, with visions of Xenu and all that...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:47 | 2591825 CPL
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:52 | 2591850 johnjkiii
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How does "none-of-the-above" sound?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:12 | 2591941 Hugh_Jorgan
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Private entities that merge with Government arms (BTW, it's called Socialism, which always leads to Communism) have a serious problem. These entities have a Devil as their partners, one that is guaranteed to devour them eventually.

You can play around with a tame wild bear or swim with a great white shark for awhile, but eventually they get hungry and you get eaten, law of the jungle. The Government is force, nothing less.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:12 | 2592188 blunderdog
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    Private entities that merge with Government arms (BTW, it's called Socialism, which always leads to Communism) have a serious problem.

Our "private entities" which manufacture weapons merged with Government back in the 40s, but it hasn't led to Communism yet.  Are you suggesting government should stop propping up Boeing/Grumman/Xe/etc?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:16 | 2591966 Lt. Sunflower
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:37 | 2592298 daveeemc2
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6. Cities partnering with companies like synagro (CG subsiderary) to spread human sh!t on unsuspecting rural folk

Yip - a proxy transfer of risk from muncipality sewage to a local farm field where your food is grown.

Risk will be reflected back when rural folk get smart and sue, just as these folks have done.

PP arrangements can backfire - this is one example.

You can always have faith that eventually, we will do the right thing...after we've attempted and tried everything else.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:59 | 2592870 Panafrican Funk...
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Holy fuck.  Was not previously aware of the existence of this.  Holy fuck.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 17:08 | 2593285 Cathartes Aura
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indeed, and the article is over 2 years old. . .

Sewage sludge, or “biosolids,” is the viscous brown chemical byproduct of municipal wastewater treatment systems. According to Public Justice, it contains bacteria, viruses, pathogens, heavy metals, prescription drugs, and toxic chemicals from both domestic and industrial wastes. The U.S. generates over seven million tons of sludge per year, mostly from plants in heavily urbanized areas, and about half of that is dumped on land as fertilizer. 

once again, incentive for growing your own food.

this made me smile,

Houston-based Synagro is the nation’s largest sludge hauler.

'cause everything's bigger in Texas. . .

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:59 | 2592862 NeedtoSecede
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+1 Million Dollar Sarcasm!  Nice work again MDB.  I don't know how you were able to limit the list to just these few examples.

Silver, lead and brass (not that I own any guns trolls).

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:53 | 2591851 orangedrinkandchips
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no shit.

Kinda like the west side here in Chicago....

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 17:39 | 2593372 Cathartes Aura
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oooh, the plot/sludge thickens!

[...]why don't you go after the Carlyle-Synagro group? You can convict underlings like [Synagro executive] James Rosendall or [Synagro consultant] Rayford Jackson. They're nothing. Deal with people on the board, like the Bush family, and then see where you get.

The Carlyle Group's founders, who include CIA veteran Frank Carlucci and government advisor David Rubinstein, have had intimate ties with every presidential administration since that of Richard Nixon, Briody says in his book, the only one published on Carlyle.

The company includes both former Bush presidents in its ranks, as well as many other retired U.S. government officials. From Britain to Saudi Arabia to the Philippines, numerous world leaders also occupy its upper eschelons.

spreadin' that "Texas gold" all over the place. . .welfare queens, eh?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:56 | 2591861 world_debt_slave
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Thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to avoid that city on my way out of Cali in a couple of weeks.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:56 | 2591864 Uncle Remus
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My condolences.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:56 | 2591866 jonan
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when i was living in CA, some thugs from stockon came to my town 30 miles away to jack my honda civic...fuck you stockton!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:02 | 2591887 GMadScientist
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Well it was either that or make meth, they only have two home ec classes.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 19:09 | 2593564 smiler03
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Was your Honda Civic the best they could find? /sarc


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:52 | 2591882 Jay Gould Esq.
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Municipal bankruptcy has been Meredith Whitney's admonitory theme for several years now. Stockton may provide some vindication for her aging call.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:01 | 2591883 GMadScientist
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There isn't anything within 20 min of Stockton that isn't a shithole.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:08 | 2591922 Cow
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Kinda like Detroit and Dearbornistan

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:17 | 2591974 GMadScientist
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:41 | 2592082 ClassicalLib17
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Chicago, hands down.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 00:43 | 2594192 TruthInSunshine
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East St. Louis & The Big Squeezy are murders all the time, too.

Every night is like the 4th of July.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:48 | 2592110 boogerbently
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It's not about Stockton.

It's about corporate bonuses being at all-time highs, and them cutting our Soc. Sec. and pensions.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:17 | 2592222 Mudduckk
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:47 | 2592335 Boxed Merlot
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Been here over 30 years and I still maintain Stockton's a great place to be from.  We're adjacent to some of the most fertile soil on the earth and at sea level, have paradise conditions for agriculture.  Dopey politicos forget the connection food has on maintaining life and if our bankruptcy can shed the light back on the necessary basic structures, i.e. sound currency, prudent lending/borrowing and trust used to build a vibrant society on once again, then so be it.   

Bankruptcy is not the problem.  It is the solution.  It's nothing more than fulfilling legal obligations in a lawful and systematic fashion that draws an end to the control fraud conducted by the unholy alliance of politicians, financiers and their henchmen. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:31 | 2591767 HoofHearted
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Between Austrian business cycle and "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch," bitchez.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:55 | 2591801 Woodyg
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Think stockton will get a refund on the overpaid amount of their bonds that were manipulated by the libor scam?

Hell no

There aint no justice in the financial, judicial or political world.....

Apply the rico laws and fill those fema camps with banksters already -

Freaking crooks allowed to continue to plunder - i might as well do the same i guess since the rule of law is dead ....

And wait til TPP passs then we are all freakng screwed!

For christ sakes many of you will STILL vote for one of the 2 named corporate parties plundering the world and THEN saying "its the poor peolle fault - Austerity is the Only way'

I say Hanging is another preferred way..... It caused these cockroches to scurry back into the walls for a few generations.......

Why not try it again?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:26 | 2592011 Antifaschistische
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bingo....why wouldn't they be compensated for the fraud that's be used. That's why we have laws.

Stockton should be compensated for the fraud that has happened.  A corporate clawback, then the fraudsters at the top who've received billions in compensation and bonuses should have asset ceased pending trial.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:43 | 2592086 Bicycle Repairman
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Sounds like a payday for lawyers and no one else.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:07 | 2592177 Marginal Call
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Not if it's handled in the way they deal with us plebes.  It's an easy play book.  Arrest them, freeze their assests, give them shitty public defender who has 7,000 cases, find them guilty, seize frozen assets.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:45 | 2592099 Nick Jihad
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One word - Corzine

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:52 | 2592124 Kaiser Sousa
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Woody...I like ur style...
We need more to take off their shackles though b4 we can get it crackin....

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:32 | 2591771 homersimpson
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Only socialists and those who depend on the gov't for their daily bread will rate this article less than 5 stars.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:02 | 2591881 TruthInSunshine
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It's like a statist's wet dream and a true capitalist's version of Dante's 9 Circles of Hell:


Government wants more people on food stamps

CNNMoney - Jun 25, 2012

"Government wants more people on food stamps ... The federal government is running radio ads to boost enrollment in food stamps. ...."

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:19 | 2591977 victor82
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It's just astonishing watching the two political parties kick the fucking can down the road. We all know how it ends; Ron Paul has told us, among others, as did Hayek. Eventually, the checks stop being underwritten and bankruptcy occurs.

What were they thinking when they thought the Iraq War, Part D Medicare and Obamacare were Neat Ideas?

Oh wait, "Serfdom for the Masses".

The Question answers itself.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 19:22 | 2593585 smiler03
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Another quote out of context? The Department of Agriculture is trying to help people who are entitled to food stamps but don't know they are.

"Research has shown that many people -- particularly underserved seniors, working poor, and legal immigrants -- do not understand the requirements of the program,"

Or maybe you think if they don't understand it they shouldn't get it? 


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 22:54 | 2594061 TruthInSunshine
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You're naive enough to believe there aren't deep, dark ulterior motives involved in getting as many sheeple on the dole, huh?

JP Morgan, which as just one cog in the wheel of government cheese programs, pockets a cool 5 billion USD worth of cheddar administering SWIPE YO EBT IT'S FREE, BITCHEZ.

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 15:35 | 2595196 smiler03
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These adverts are aimed at sheeple who ARE ALREADY ON THE DOLE. Can you not see that?

Actually don't bother answering that, you can't or won't.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:05 | 2591906 mark7
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Good luck in your robber baron, dickesian utopia where government is too small to do anything against the barons.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:21 | 2591988 TruthInSunshine
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You don't get it.

Most of the "robber barons" you speak of in modern times are the result of BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS FUNDED BY A LOT OF TAXES.

Think guns....and butter. See the players? Big Ag, Big Pharma, Big Defense - they're all lined up at the trough, and they're very, very HUNGRY.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:30 | 2592029 Antifaschistische
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,,,,and big Education, and Big Construction (the recipients of a flood of zero ROI construction projects)

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 13:04 | 2592413 dirtbagger
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You got that right.  Most of the Tax giveaways are now to corporations, not the people.  Our community just gave Apple 85 million in tax abatements for 10 years with the option to extend the abatements to infinity. 

Got to love these CEO's, capitalism is for the unwashed masses, not for the mega corporations.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:24 | 2591996 victor82
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The problem for the Left, of course, is that it never had an answer for what happens when the money runs out. Che Guevara once preached that Imperialism would be undone by "A Thousand Vietnams". He was wrong.

The Left and the Right in this country are in a Death Embrace and are burying a once great country. It has turned into a Bankster's State with a Poodle President and Bought Legislators who perform pet tricks for their masters on Wall Street. Red Team and Blue Team, for what they are worth, will be undone by A Thousand Stocktons.

Ron Paul was right all along.

There is no such thing as a Free Lunch.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:40 | 2592307 malek
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Afraid of taking responsibility for yourself?

Good luck embracing current government, the biggest robber baron of all.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:58 | 2592388 marathonman
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As opposed to now where the barons own the government so nothing happens to the barons and the barons can then sic their big government on the sheeple for plunder?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:34 | 2591779 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Bring it!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:35 | 2591780 kito
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the deleveraging continues, and bernanke is at the front lines with his cb henchmen, waiting for just the right moment to impale the deflationary horsemen with his qe3 sharpened poles...............

for all those unfamiliar with william wallace, the whole clip is a must watch.....

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:35 | 2591781 mrktwtch2
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it always starts in afraid public employees..

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:37 | 2591791 TrainWreck1
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As cities go bankrupt, their response will be to annex adjacent non-bankrupt areas.

It's how parasites work, drain one host, get another.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:42 | 2591805 EscapeKey
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That, plus all sorts of other initiatives which a) does nothing to resolve the problem, b) create massive banker fees.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:25 | 2592003 victor82
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Yes, but you get a free toaster for opening up a new account!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 19:23 | 2593596 smiler03
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Shit! All I got was this lousy Spiderman towel.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:47 | 2591827 Dr. Richard Head
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My village has a sign up that normally posts the upcoming meetings.  I should have taken a picture of what was on there today, but they changed the sign to read, "Donations Accepted".

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:16 | 2592016 Jay Gould Esq.
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Public "pleas" for private donations [ to municipalities ] are certain to proliferate. It's for The Children, you know.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:49 | 2591835 TrumpXVI
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But they don't necessarily succeed.

Philly has tried to glean taxpayer money from the state of PA to support the failing budgets of the Phila. public schools.  This hasn't worked out very well, so now schools are closing in Phila.  (The city government is dominated by Demos., the state legislature is dominated by Repubs.)

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:58 | 2591872 Jake88
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most cities don't have the military that would require.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:05 | 2591907 TrainWreck1
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They have an army of voters. That's all they need.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:07 | 2591920 GMadScientist
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What happens to a leech that can't find a host?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:10 | 2591931 Uncle Remus
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Runs for office.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:15 | 2591963 GMadScientist
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What happens to a SuperPac that can't find a host?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:32 | 2592036 Uncle Remus
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Pulls one out of the collective proletariat arse, then champions/demonizes it, as required.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:19 | 2592232 blunderdog
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Isn't that  for the best, though?  As cities disincorporate, police power will diminish, and liberty and freedom for all will increase.

Just as the libertarians prefer it, the only people living in any physical security will be those with the wealth to construct their own fortresses and hire their own armies.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:45 | 2592332 acetinker
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Don't worry, nothing changes... The Po-Po can't protect you from the demons under your bed, anyway.  Sorry if that was meant to be /sarc.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:48 | 2592342 blunderdog
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No demons under my bed, bro, I'm poor and they know I have nothing to steal.  I get along very well in my 'hood by simply not being an asshole to my neighbors.

Sun, 07/08/2012 - 12:39 | 2596368 acetinker
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Yup.  I tell folks that I started with nuthin' and still have most of that left. Don't underestimate the value of asshole-ery though.  I thought you were snipin' at libertarians- maybe I mis-read ya' :)

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:13 | 2592717 Chaos_Theory
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If a bad guy breaks into your house tonight and you don't have the means to defend yourself, you're f-ed even with the glorious physical security from the police.  Sure, they'll respond to the 911 call, and if you're really lucky, be there in 10-minutes, where they'll conduct a comprehensive crime-scene investigation and call the coroner. 

That's why they deter crime (at best) and to respond after-the-fact to crime instances for investigation and possibly punish crime via arrest.  If you have been lied to by the public education system into believing they were meant to provide you 24/7 personal security, sorry for busting you're soft-fluffy worldview. 


Aside from that, I am sick of this BS "false choice analogy" logic fallacy being thrown about that if you want bankers, TPTB, and their political whores thrown from the top of the Empire State building, then you have to embrace public sector employees who have worked out sweetheart deals with their political allies for ridiculous benefits like 95-percent pensions on their last (highest paid) year of salary (including heavy overtime use).  Both examples are of the same variety, with the only difference being scale.  Both remind me of the Sophists from Plato's Republic who despise and reject morality and instead seek advantage at all costs.  Both deserve scorn and punishment, with scale being the only difference (say, painful death for the former, and a public spanking and financial haircut for the latter). 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:59 | 2592865 blunderdog
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      Both examples are of the same variety, with the only difference being scale.

Scale is a critical factor, though, it's not reasonable to pretend it should be ignored. 

A professional firefighter or cop, or EMT, or anyone who puts themselves at significant risk in effort to provide some kind of needed public service can make a reasonable argument for why they deserve DECENT wages and fairly robust insurance and protection from hazards of the job.  These aren't people demanding multi-million dollar bonuses for selling bad securities all over the world.

Regarding retirement packages, OBVIOUSLY that's a completely corrupted system, but to act like bad decisions made by lawmakers based on the lies from the financiers is anything like our "CEO class" is just nonsense.  There's NOTHING that a guy like Dimon or Blankfein does that makes him worth tens of millions a year, and they're the guys who set up the system to collapse and fuck over the municipalities in the first place.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:25 | 2592968 Panafrican Funk...
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This is an important point.  The reason the pension funds are fucked isn't due to the pensioners themselves, it's due to the "external management consultants" (yes, all our favorite "wealth advisor" banksters/financiers are represented), who charge fees typically 4-5x the rate of Vanguard and in most cases due much much worse with the money.  It's a bit like blaming the people who put their money in a 401K trusting that it would be handled well, for losing half their retirement money.  The difference of course is that the pensioners are still legally due the same amount regardless of whether the underlying invested money is actually doing well, so you run into a case like Wisconsin where their budget is suddenly fucked because the main govt. pension fund lost a shitload of money.  Pretending the pension money is seperately allocated is like pretending gold allocations with your bank are seperately allocated, it's a silly thought and it directly affects the budget.  That said, Wisconsin's budget shortfall that led to the fairly extreme actions against public employees was about $450 million dollars.  Guess how much they pay in "external management fees" per year?  $475 million dollars.  

Sat, 07/07/2012 - 01:04 | 2594216 TruthInSunshine
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I agree with some of what you said, but what about calPERS and it's batshit crazy 8% per annum return that they've baked into their Unicorn & Skittles projections for each and every of the following 118.5 years? Jeremy Siegel is a ginormous douchebag and turd, because even though EVEN he would laugh at such a lofty-insane projected rate of returns, his proclaimed historical rate of return of equity investing is DRAMATICALLY INFLATED (survivorship bias, rejiggering of indexes constantly, adverse tax consequences - especially in actively managed funds, etc. all reduce Siegel's equity market historical rate of return claims into raw sewage).

And what about the government pensioners? In municipalities around the area where I live, COPS & FIREFIGHTERS have 100k+ pensions along with lifetime medical insurance, life insurance and other benefits, for themselves and their spouses, can retire and collect said pensions at the ripe old age of 56, and they game the system by rigging the last 3 years of one's "career" so that they rack up tons of overtime (to thus boost their pension).

I'm not even talking about top brass.

There's a county administrator in the next county over from where I live who has had 2 prior government jobs, both of which he has retired from and is collecting a full pension for each job, and he is currently employed in his 3rd government job (he was appointed by the county exectutive and approved by the commissioners) making $134,000 per year - and this guy has a bachelor of arts degree in political science.  That's two full pensions with full benefits, being paid to him yearly, while he is now sucking the taxpayers dry for another $134k per year plus benefits, and he'll certainly retire with a 3rd pension.

You can't make this shit up.

23 million government workers (full time, mostly unionized) are just one more critical component contributing to the rot and decay of this nation's economic and social illness.

Have you ever spent time in that paradise of federal government worker-dom that is the corridor running from D.C. through Virginia and Maryland? Go spend some time there and look at the malls, restaurants, neighborhoods where an incredibly high % of the people that are working are either full time federal employees or contractors who wouldn't be employed with the massively bloated and porky pig government we have. Look at the cars parked everywhere and the type of stores there. It's sickening.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:07 | 2593152 Chaos_Theory
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Still a false choice though.  By all means, go after the big CEO and financier fish with vigor.  Even with murderous glee.  But it still isn't making granny eat dog food to say to those paid on the public dime that some reasonable level of pension will be adjusted to a level the tax-payers can reasonably absorb.  The whole basing pensions on the last year of "public service" at rates above say, 50-percent, have to go.  And no adding overtime from the last year either.  Otherwise, they're just the new oligarchs in the system once the Dimons are hanging from lamposts. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 16:42 | 2593238 blunderdog
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There's nothing about forcing any "choice" in my post, you're just drawing an unreasonable equivalence, and I'm calling you on it. 

The bankers demanded money despite having been incredibly profitable for decades.  The state/local governments never ran huge profits by robbing the taxpayers, although the payscale gradually became inflated to roughly twice what's appropriate.  I think I also stated pretty clearly that the retirement mechanics are corrupt.  It seems you're arguing with me about stuff you think I believe, and you're probably mistaken.

That retirement ploy is not going to go on much longer, because retirement funds are all going broke.  Do you know why that is?

The Scranton story is a good one to check out.  The idea that everyone's wages can be unilaterally cut is not going to fly.  Either they're going to lose the workers (would you be a cop in Scranton for $7.25/hr and the promise they'll pay you "when the crisis is over"?) or someone's going to offer 'em a bailout.

The thing that I find really impressive is that many public-sector employees actually still believe they aren't paid as well as the private-sector folks.  Talk about a demonstration of how effectively the public is deceived about the USian economy.  Hell, for a laugh, go to one of the job-pay websites and look up the "going rate" for your position and experience and ask yourself how well it represents the reality.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:37 | 2591793 the 300000000th...
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The muni default tsunami is coming its been stalled by easing and the subsequent can kicking that always follows more emergency easing in whichever of the many forms easing can come these days. Everything is slowly rotting in America you can already see the beginning stages of the storm to come, lots of defered maitenence. Its going to get MUCH worse. here we go.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:27 | 2592982 Panafrican Funk...
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Note that this is likely going to cause a temporary flood of investment money into US Treasuries and state general obligation bonds.  Yes, yes it is stupid, but this will happen.  

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:38 | 2591794 silvertrain
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whitney was a yr late.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:52 | 2591846 brewing
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she's a year late on the $JPM downgrade too...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:38 | 2591795 JailBank
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With pensions forecasting 5-9% annual returns and interest rates being kept low there is no way these pensions are going to be able to meet the goals they set when money was easy and everything was going up.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:42 | 2591809 Uncle Remus
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Ah yes, the constipated skittle-shitting unicorn.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:09 | 2591924 GMadScientist
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Sure they can. I know a good dice game that Bob Diamond runs out of the city...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:03 | 2592679 goforgin
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This is what the finance educational complex is teaching its business majors.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:43 | 2591811 Dr. Richard Head
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Command and control economies only will till they fail. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:43 | 2591812 chubbar
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I would take exception to this statement:

"3. Every government collects and distributes the surplus of its private sector to its employees, favored constituencies and vested interests."

Let me make it perfectly clear that the money the state takes from me via taxes is not surplus. It's money I would use to do something to further the ability of my family to survive the coming collapse.

In addition, I don't blame gov't workers for having to deal with this insane monetary system we were all essentially born into. I do blame them for greedily grabbing every fricking dime they could wrangle out of the taxpayers they supposedly were serving via threats of stikes, etc.
With that said, I guarantee I'll be voting for every pay cut and benefit cut to gov't employees any time I'm afforded the opportunity. If they are worth so much let them go out into the private sector and see what they can get for pay/benefits.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:49 | 2591832 Alea Iactaest
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It's surplus. It showed up on your paycheck simply because it was taxed at 100% on the first go-round. Remember those proposals for a new short form 1040?

Line 1: How much did you make last year?

Line 2: Send it in.

Why do you insist on making this more complicated?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:43 | 2591814 orangedrinkandchips
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You have to divert ALL avail. funds in these broke cities to FUNDING the PENSIONS of the people who ran it into the priority!!!

Job well done...mission accomplished!


thank you sir, may I have another!


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:48 | 2591831 orangedrinkandchips
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I want a job where I can run the organization into the ground, completely destroyed and get paid large to do it!


Pension is 2 or 3 times your over-paid salaries already? cant remember


Kinda like the Cubs....get paid to lose....

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:52 | 2591849 King_of_simpletons
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You need an IVY league MBA for that dude. Your ambition requires that level of education to get connected and fuck up bad.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:25 | 2592005 orangedrinkandchips
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Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:29 | 2592027 GMadScientist
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"former CEO of Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center Michael Anderson made $4.2 million when he retired at the end of 2009"

(this is a NON-PROFIT hospital)

"the next CEO of Parkland Memorial will make $950,000 per year" ( in Dallas)

sign right up!


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:54 | 2592131 FeralSerf
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The organizations may be "non-profit", but that doesn't mean the people that run it are.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 13:05 | 2592420 marathonman
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What?!?  You want to be Jon Corzine?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:49 | 2591833 Broomer
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I wouldn't worry about point 18 (services gutted).
If (14.) is true (costs rising 7%-10%/yr) it wouldn't last for long. See PIIGS.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:51 | 2591842 GrinandBearit
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I used to live in that socialist/welfare state.  I'll make a prediction on which cities are next:

Fresno, Oakland, Modesto, Fremont, Visalia, Bakersfield.  


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:14 | 2591951 GMadScientist
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Pretty much anywhere in the Red or Purple (ouch) areas...(for humor, overlay with congressional districts leaning Republican)

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:23 | 2592246 Jena
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Mammoth Lakes is up next.  Between losing money to a developer and being on the losing end to Los Angeles over water deals, it is going away.

Here's part of the story:

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:51 | 2591847 Shizzmoney
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These charts show the depth of the recent employment recession - worse than any other post-war recession - and the relatively slow recovery due to the lingering effects of the housing bust and financial crisis.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 10:54 | 2591854 q99x2
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How are home prices going to go up if there aren't any Government employees to buy them (or rent them)?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:00 | 2591858 jal
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Everyone will have to get real.

Way back when ... When bush meat was no longer available you had to rely on agricultural surplus to put food on YOUR table.

If you are not involved in the pipeline to make surplus food, you are a NON PRODUCTIVE mouth to feed.

Get real. Your functions might not be as essential as you think.

You are probably a non productive mouth to feed.




Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:51 | 2592121 FeralSerf
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Modern monster agribusiness needs millions of non-productive mouths to feed or it goes broke.  Have you ever wondered why food, especially grain and its derivatives like pork and chicken, is so cheap in America?  Have you ever wondered who would buy that shit if there weren't so many "useless eaters"?

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 18:07 | 2593423 Cathartes Aura
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and of course corporate GMO-chemical additive "fud" is now being given away via JPM "snap" - guaranteed to put you on the treadmill to corporate pharma-ville. . . closed loop system designed for maximum extraction as they push the "money pixels" round & round. . .

feedlot amrka.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:01 | 2591865 TrumpXVI
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No. 21 is problematic.

I'd like to believe there is a mechanism for taxpayers to retaliate against unfair levels of government spending on favored client groups, but I'm not sure I can see it.

Prolly a limit of some sort will be reached, but it's also likely that by that time too much damage will have already been done to the balance sheet of the taxpayers.  They tend to be a way too tolerant lot of sheeple.  And the non-sheeple never seem to have sufficient political critical mass to overcome the political inertia necessary to get anything done in time. 

My instinct is that government at any level is powerful enough to drag the tax base into the toilet along with it; like a drowning man.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:03 | 2591896 MachoMan
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move or vote other idiots into office...  vote against any tax increases and help campaign against them...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:20 | 2591982 TrumpXVI
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Easier said than done.

I already live in the most conservative county in the state.  But these morons (Republicans; of which I am one) are just as drunk on the stupid idea that economic growth will support almost any level of spending as the Democrats.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:02 | 2591885 Fix It Again Timmy
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Send the mayor a copy of "A Short History of Financial Euphoria" by John Kenneth Galbraith...

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:06 | 2591911 RET
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I've often wondered why when municipalities get into dire financial straights that they dump police and fire first, rather than useless things like the Office of Diversity and Inclusion or the Department of Urban Renewal.  But, then I discovered that most of those "offices" must be there by force of law, and they cannot just eliminate them.  States mandate that cities over a certain size have XYZ department, and the Federal government does the same if the city wants Federal funds.  They have become trapped.  They should seek relief from all of these required offices if they are serious about saving their cities (which I doubt in most cases).

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:49 | 2592111 maximin thrax
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It's so much easier to divide and conquer the peasants into first arguing for and then accepting tax increases by threatening them with losing services they expect from the city, than by threatening to take services the citizens either don't know about or don't support if they do.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:58 | 2592390 Ropingdown
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In DC it's called "The Washington Monument Game."  If your budget is threatened you propose to economize by...shutting down the Washington Monument or an equivalent.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:08 | 2591914 reader2010
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In my county, the guy that is charge of the entire county public school system of 160,000 K-12 students gets paid $410K annual salary plus another $114K annual benefits. For the five guys that report directly to him, each gets paid $250K annual salary plus additional huge benefits. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:13 | 2591947 TrumpXVI
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This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talkin' bout.  It's very difficult to fight privileged groups, and education is one of the most privileged groups of all thanks to the teacher's unions.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:16 | 2591967 reader2010
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Forgot to mention that the $410K guy needs to report to four other guys, and each of the other four guys each pulls in $700K a year. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:29 | 2592017 orangedrinkandchips
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Back in my day we had to sell cheese and sausage door to door for a chance to win a stuffed animal that cost 2 bucks from China. And we loved pay me now, and in 6 weeks you get a summer sausage that you paid 4x as much for!!! Thanks!


the pensions....that is what is destroying us!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 15:27 | 2592980 akak
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And what is wrong with ketchup?

After all, it is a tasty and nutritious vegetable!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:59 | 2592158 Walt D.
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If you think that this salary is egregious, check out how much the "Head of Diversity" earns in a large publicly traded company. Hint - quite a bit more than the President of the United States. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:07 | 2591915 Never One Roach
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Many cities (and suburbs) are turning into can almost predict where these slums are (and will be)....just look at all the new neighborhoods with zero down mortgages.


Is your suburb the next slum?


The Suburban Slum Era Has Arrived


...and many more articles on the subject.

My cousin sold his house on the golf it is being rented out to Section 8 folks....few neighborhoods will survive these powerful financial and demographic forces. Those who buy now better use ultra-due-diligence cause in a year or two you may be driving down the street seeing lots of jobless people sitting on their steps sipping a six pack watching your nice car as it drives by--those new tires and hubcaps sure do look nice.....



Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:11 | 2591937 Diogenes
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What is scary is that they still haven't figured out what went wrong. Even after guys who ran ran the city into the ground  skipped out with loaded pockets the suckers are still scratching their heads.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:22 | 2591976 crawldaddy
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they know exactly what the problem is, its the cost of health insurance, that is the one driving cost that is hurting every local govt.  Imagine that, a for profit healthcare system and insurnance system run amok causing the problem.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:34 | 2592047 orangedrinkandchips
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Health insurance is a key thing....but...SKIMMING....


There is this two-bit whore in Dixon Illinois who stole 20 million from a car dealership.....The dealership to their credit did quite well DESPITE being taken for 20mm!!!!

So in this small town you got this cunt with 3-4 Benzes, horses, a farm, trips to see the pope.....but she was an accountant for a car dealership!!! right!

Small town, big talk....


You cannot tell me they are NOT grabbing with both hands!!!

Then again, people see GOVT and think EXPLOIT....they are synonymous, no?

make the books public! all of them! let's see how many bugs and rats scurry.....


human nature never changes.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:51 | 2592116 ClassicalLib17
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She was the treasurer of Dixon and stole the funds from the city.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:13 | 2591945 mark7
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There are many here commenting naively that no government is the best option. Yeah, it will all go well until your kid needs some expensive surgery, or you get robbed or local big company screws you or it start to get real hard to educate your kids by yourself, while trying to take care of the farm. People take all sorts of things granted without realizing YOU have to do all those things after possible all-out government collapse. 

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:16 | 2591961 crawldaddy
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I agree, there  are plenty of anarchy is countries in africa, yet I see none of these loudmouths headed there.  Just a bunch loudmouth know-nothings respewing propaganda they heard.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 12:30 | 2592277 LoneCapitalist
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"loudmouth know-nothings" dont be so hard on yourself.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:13 | 2591949 crawldaddy
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Just another educationally challenged nitwit posting ignorant bias.  Corporations and banking my friend is where the problems lie in this country.  Not some fireman making 50k a year willing to risk his life to save your worthless life.


It's unbelievable the mindfuck corp propaganda has done on people.  Somehow a CEO making 13,000 bucks an hour isnt the problem, its the cop/teacher making 25 bucks an hour.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:17 | 2591973 overmedicatedun...
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crawl another big gov union thug poster, i would answer your uneducated view on "the problem" but it would be you obviously have not read ZH for content.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:20 | 2591978 crawldaddy
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bullshit, you have no comeback.  Go back to listening to your know-nothing college dropout drug addict and get your next piece of propaganda to respew.


You are an embarrassment.


FYI- Myself and noone in my immediate family is in a union, Im just informed, imagine that.


Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:15 | 2591953 overmedicatedun...
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here in my home town usa the tax base is decimated..only have expanded and guess what? they do not pay tax!! so we must build a middle school $12 million with a state grant/loan/ out every one of the pols every stinkn one.

NWO criteria of off shoring jobs and no tariff protection somehow is not adding jobs in the USA but adding to the fall of employment ..what a surprise, who coulda known!!

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:21 | 2591987 crawldaddy
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NWO..yep I knew your were an idiot  just wasnt sure how large of one, now I know.  NWO   LOL

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:29 | 2592022 JR
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"We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." --Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs (July/August 1995)

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:23 | 2591995 semperfi
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The above 'rules' do not apply when the system is run by criminal bankers & politicians who change the laws to meet their needs.   The people of the system have become way too corrupt to fix the mess by voting. At this point the only thing that will fix the mess is a revolution.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 11:27 | 2592013 JR
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What’s so dangerous about leaving out of public financing equations the immigration invasion quotient?  In Stockton, California, for example, heavy pressure on public services such as schools, police, streets, housing, etc., came from substantial increases in population fueled by great increases in immigration, much of it illegal.

In California, a single Federal judge can stop voter initiatives to rein in immigration and as the Arizona law problem shows, the federal authorities have no interest in seriously policing the borders. But they have every wish to make sure public services, such as Obamacare/teachers’ salaries/police and fire support. are maintained. This is an untenable dilemma and it’s wrong to do articles about public financing problems and ignore this factor.

In 1994, California voters voted 59 to 41 percent to approve Proposition 187, the “Save Our State” Initiative that said California residents were not responsible for the schooling and health care of illegal aliens. It also stepped up labor law and border enforcement.

A single federal judge blocked its implementation on the basis of “a balance of hardship” and constitutionality. Only the sections that imposed penalties for making or using false documents were not blocked.

Now, the Piper has presented his bill and in California, 18 years later, there no longer is a “59 percent” majority vote to pass a “Save Our State” initiative.

Fri, 07/06/2012 - 14:09 | 2592699 rwe2late
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The hell-holes many cities have become are NOT due to the supposedly extravagant benefits city clerks and librarians receive.

Look to immigration policies, Prohibition II, outsourcing job loss, ZIRP, bankster real estate sprawl, misdirection of the economy to wasteful militarism and failure to invest in the public infrastructure.

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