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Guest Post: The Solution to Concentrated Power: The Triple Ds

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

The Solution to Concentrated Power: the Three Ds  

Why keep squabbling over issues that cannot be resolved except by the Tyranny of the Manipulated Majority? Decentralize, diffuse and devolve power to the lowest level and the national dead-ends vanish. Natural selection will sort out what works and what doesn't.

The solution to centralized power can be summarized as the three Ds: diffusion, decentralization, and devolution of power to local communities. Yesterday I analyzed the global failure of centralization: The Master Narrative Nobody Dares Admit: Centralization Has Failed (June 21, 2012).

The concentration of power into the hands of a few bureaucrats in Europe has failed, just as concentrating monetary power into the (privately owned) hands of Federal Reserve bureaucrats has failed. Enabled by a captured Central State, financial power has become concentrated in five banks, media control has been concentrated into six corporations, and so on, ad nauseum.

Concentrating centralized political power inevitably spawns State/private-capital cartels that stripmine taxpayer/citizens. This cannot be avoided or staved off with 1,000-page legislative bills and 30,000 pages of regulations, all of which serve to consolidate the power of centralized government and private capital.

The Argument Industry (May 25, 2012) is a symptom of what I term profound political disunity. (If I didn't coin the phrase, I am the predominant user of it in recent history.) This is a key concept in my books Survival+ and Resistance, Revolution, Liberation, for it underpins our inability to address, much less solve, the over-arching problems of our society and economy.

Yes, arguing fruitlessly without hope of resolution is a profitable "make-work" business, but it has a debilitating effect in the real world: views get hardened by propaganda into rigid ideological silos, and fractured institutions are slowly delegitimized.

Take gay marriage as an example. Does anyone seriously think there will ever be some sort of national consensus on this issue? Why does anyone think there *should* be a national consensus that is politically imposed on the minority who disagree?

My friend Richard Metzger of Dangerous Minds recently summarized the "devolution solution"--devolve power to the states:

They want to force their way of life on everyone else, we think they're idiots, etc, etc. and n'er the twain shall meet. EVER.

 

So why try to force the fit if it doesn't work anymore? Let Arizona do whatever it wants. Or Wisconsin, Or Florida.

 

Let North Carolina ban gay marriage... but let the gays in NC pick up the hint and move to more hospitable climes and so forth for other groups and individuals who would not be able to get along in a situation whereby the DOMINANT paradigm of a particular region would be allowed to have free rein.

 

But let the rest of us do what we want to do and we'll KEEP our tax dollars *where we live*, thank you very much!

Not only do I totally agree, but I would devolve power even lower down the ecosystem to counties. Let me first stipulate that I have consistently held that there is an essential role for a strong but limited Central State: it must have the power to disrupt and dismantle local monopolies, oligarchies and criminal organizations, and it must retain the power to guarantee freedom of faith, exchange, movement, expression, enterprise and association to all individuals. It must also be empowered to defend the nation against external threats and attack, and protect the nation's "commons"--its soil, water, air, natural beauty and resources--from despoilation and exploitation by global, national or local Elites.

But beyond these limited roles, all other power should be diffused and decentralized to the lowest units of local political power, the counties. If County A legalizes gay marriage, County B bans it and County C decides that marriage is a private affair that the government should have no role in, then people who have concluded this is a key issue will migrate to the county of their choice. (County D may choose by not choosing to enable an "Argument Industry" that endlessly gnaws over the same old tired ideological debates as part of the local "entertainment industry.")

There is a decidedly favorable element of natural selection to this process of letting local communities choose their own machinery of governance. With no Savior State to skim money from one community to give to another out of political favoritism, local communities will have to tax themselves for whatever services they desire.

If productive people are being taxed into penury and receiving little in the way of services they desire, they will move to a county with more favorable policies. Corrupt kleptocracies will be abandoned until there are no productive people left to exploit, and the kleptocracy will implode.

Each county will be an experiment on what works and doesn't work, and it is likely there will be a spectrum of successful models. Those counties which allow concentrations of power to infect and control their social and financial ecosystems will likely stagnate; those which incentivize freeloading will be overwhelmed with freeloaders, and so on. Risk and consequence will be reunited, as they are in Nature.

If County E decides that all CEOs of banks chartered to do business in the county must live in the county, then business/finance will adjust to that political will. As noted yesterday, If 500 banks are forced to compete in a transparent marketplace, it will be very difficult for those corporations to purchase the political power the five "too big to fail" Central State-created banks now own.

Is local control of the way of life "efficient"? Perhaps efficiency's elevation to godlike status is as misplaced as confusing convenience with meaning. What "works" for some communities is not just what's cheapest in terms of consumerism. "Efficiency" is often corporate-speak for a second-order tyranny.

 


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Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:44 | Link to Comment unrulian
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Isn't a DDD the answer to everything?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment jcia
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Chris Duane believes so. His website is:

http://dont-tread-on.me/

His videos on youtube are great eyeopeners:

https://www.youtube.com/user/truthnevertold?feature=results_main

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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"The concentration of power into the hands of a few bureaucrats in Europe has failed..." CHS, you last one yesterday was better, and from there I am still asking why you are projecting this thing around. It's utter nonsense.

The european bureaucrats do what the european governments tell them to do - period. All the rest is the usual propaganda, usually from the UK and very often sponsored by MegaBanks hyperhypothecating in the Square Mile that are afraid the EU could enhance it's banking regulations.

Here http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-master-narrative-nobody-dares-a... , still a good answer to this blabla...

Do me a favour and stop writing about europe, you don't know enough about it - you write well about what you know firsthand

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:03 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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The virtual world is a good model of reality. After all we created computers in our own image. (not totally) but nevertheless there was a time when only DEC and Big Blue existed and then along came small desktop computers. The IBM AT was a revolution. It was in fact decentralization of computing. However along came predators and preyed upon individuals. The wise protected themselves. And now they are selling recentralization as a solution to the complaints of the weak or lazy. How well is the Cloud doing?? Anybody know?? I will not participate.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment falak pema
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awww, u don't like group virtual sex up in the clouds?

Model for reality! ur own words! 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:50 | Link to Comment GoldSilverDoc
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...."I believe... in a Cental State"

 

Sure.  That's great.  Kind of like have a "little bit of cholera", or "just a smidgen of cancer".  Does a body good, right?

 

BS.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:54 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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I just like being independent from central authority. Call me a passive anarchist and to my knowledge Cloud computing has not taken back the virtual world. There are still millions of independent computers out there and they still have the freedom to participate in the Cloud or not.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment i-dog
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It's difficult for Europeans to comprehend the self-organising nature of free humans. They have lived all of their history under the yoke of big government, or elected dictators, or kings and bishops.

The American experience is quite different. Originally settlers arrived into various colonies and negotiated directly with the native Indian tribes to purchase their own land and to set up their own local administrations (at the township level). When their already minimal state governments became overbearing on a community, the community would ask a neighboring state if they could merge with them, and they did so. This system worked for nearly 200 years until the switch to a central government was sealed with the Constitution replacing the Articles of Confederation in 1789.

Freedom is in America's DNA. It was peopled by religious, political, economic and ideological refugees from scores of nations and coalesced into a single 'country' that values (or used to!) hard work, freedom of speech, individual self-defense, and personal responsibility. This is the reason that the kings and bishops of Europe have been waging a constant attempt, through their agents and sympathisers, to bring it back under their control since the very beggining.

The current 'End Game' in America, since 9-11, is the final stage of an ongoing deliberate sabotaging (and now, destruction) of 'the American way of life' that began with the negotiations over the form of the Constitution, and one can't expect any European -- particularly not those who adore the 'European Experiment' -- to understand. It is totally outside their framework of comprehension.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:47 | Link to Comment falak pema
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we agree to disagree. We pay rugby you play football. As long as we swim together and play tennis on the same court there is still hope! 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Why should other people be forced to swim with you or play on the same court with you?

Perhaps they dont like you or want live like you do, or under a common political structure with you. Why should they be compelled to do so, and how is that compulsion not you trying to impose yourself through the force of central authority?

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:56 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Freedom is in America's DNA.

Dna doesn't work that way, it... never mind.

It is totally outside their framework of comprehension.

The official story last I checked was that you got hit by what turned to be mostly Saudis. Perhaps you should stop mangling everything together in some schizophrenic theory modeled on G.U.T and focus on what your government does outside its territory. Just a thought, albeit a difficult one for a person such as yourself who mistakes solipsism for 'freedom' and recycles fables of history as fact. Lastly, stop diverting attention away from the absolutely huge and very serious domestic problems of your 'nation' because Europe wants none of your 'freedom' that ends with more prisoners than farmers.

We all anxiously await your next gem where you tie in the Jesuits and Wiccans in a century old crime against the 'free' market or some such shit.

Begone no one wants you.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:07 | Link to Comment CH1
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So long as the Muppets keep obeying the politicians, tyranny will continue.

All else are dreams.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:13 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"Begone no one wants you."

LOL ... You're getting your cassock in a tizz....

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:17 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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LOL

 

“My way of joking is telling the truth; that is the funniest joke in the world”-- GB SHaw

It's good to laugh, glad I delivered.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:54 | Link to Comment JR
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No one wants you, i-dog?  I want you, because fundamental truths and intellectual details on the crisis of Western Civilization are what are most needed.

Americans and their concept of freedom are unique. And therein lies the hope that this nation can make a course correction in its quest for representative government, once again in the hands of a responsible people, not in the hands of a democracy mob.

The Australians gave up their guns; Britain embarrassed itself with a Diamond Jubilee for a Windsor woman with no power to help improve the lives of its people; and the Greeks voted to trade sovereignty to the bankers for a few more months of public paychecks.

Americans will not commit these acts of surrender; they have had freedom and they fully expect it to be restored or they will fight. Your analysis provides that hope, because Americans do understand freedom.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:30 | Link to Comment GeneMarchbanks
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Right. Listen here, i-dog deals in acute historicism, free market mythology and just has a general lack of talent for presenting a thought connected to the information presented. Worst of all he/she/it habitually detracts from real sources of your God awful US hegemony like the Unholy Trinity(IMF/WB/WTO) and FIC to lead the discussion astray into some bogeyman like the Catholic Church which probably hasn't been relevant in your nation since the JFK administration. I know it's hard living in a chaotic ochlocracy but please let us at very least come to some real sources of the general discontent instead of substituting personally derived conflicts with what is actually going on. I submit to you, the most difficult place to get a grip on present ills is from within America.

Instead of continually projecting ones own inner discomforts with some or other Institution let's at least keep to the subjects in question so thereby provide some context.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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What a whining, servile, contemptible little twit. Im assuming you are in the UK, if nothing else its good to have your sort around as a reminder of why everyone left. Any English worth a damn left to conquer new lands or died in the wars- the remainder is nothing but the weak product of generations of the cowards, shirkers, and stay behinds mating with each other with disastrous results.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:18 | Link to Comment JR
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Gene, following America’s settlement by fleeing Europeans, a second round of Europeans brought to these shores the poison of central banking and Mafia-like financial tactics to destroy America’s representative government.   To breakdown the resolve of an American Christian middle class, European Jewish bankers directed the 1965 immigration coup which began to flood America's borders with Third World voters and their support for welfare state redistribution of wealth.  Most significant was the arrival of the Warburgs and the Rothschild representatives to create an American central bank – the “Federal Reserve” -- that they could control in conjunction with Frankfort and the City of London.

The surge in financial secrecy and low information populations was the foundation of the loss of representative government in America and the rise in central control by the bankers - which is now expanding to world control and economic crisis.

But the European-style-tyrant-over-serfs has not yet been completed as Americans already are on the road (Ron Paul) to overthrowing the tyrants and their institutions that you and the world so rightly abhor.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment shuckster
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shameless idealism: america is following the exact same path as every young nation that turns into an old nation does - a small rabble becomes a big, structured country, with the rich dominating the poor and control falling into the hands of a select few, who inevitably insist on handing it down to their offspring instead of allowing it to be distributed amongst the people. america is not exceptional any more than ancient greece was or classical rome or the british empire

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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when my old lady wants to shut me up when I'm on a "we're all f-ed" rant (usually after watching an Obama clip)she pops one in my mouth and I gently begin to coo

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment battle axe
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I knew a girl in college with DD, she seemed to have all the answers I was looking for....

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:02 | Link to Comment No Euros please...
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Well it is Friday and a picture paints a thousand words...... where are the double Ds?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:03 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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"Isn't a DDD the answer to everything?"

at this point, a DNR...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:17 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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I believe that DDD may at least be a good thing. I believe that diversity is a good thing. I believe that it is like Entropy and Enthalpy in Weather. Too little Entropy and you may get a lightening bolt or a huge storm. I believe that America's protection has partially come from the diverse opinions and cultures comingled here.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:59 | Link to Comment world_debt_slave
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double D

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:46 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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diffusion, decentralization, and devolution of power to local communities

 

a global series of republics based on individual human sovereignty

 

or bust

 

(OH WAIT!)

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Matt
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The problem I have with this concept, is what if a gay married couple in County C wants to move to County A, where it is legal, but must pass through County B, where it is illegal?

Do the "inter-County Highways" count as federal territory where county laws do not apply, or must the gay married couple risk arrest and prosecution under County B's laws?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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"The solution to centralized power can be summarized as the three Ds: diffusion, decentralization, and devolution of power to local communities."

Charles....I love ya guy and I admire your persistent effort to educate and inform. But I couldn't disagree with you more. The solution is self empowerment. Unless and until this happens the cycle with endlessly repeat. 

You are talking about scattering the cockroaches. I am talking about eliminating the food source.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment falak pema
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what is self empowerment in an urban environment and how does it work in a legal framework. Who will regulate it and empower the judiciary that exercises law. You cannot be actor and referee of your own interactivity with the "self empowerment" of others. 

You should write a paper on that CD. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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There's that devil - lurking in the details.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:13 | Link to Comment falak pema
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there's that detail lurking in the devil of self empowerment! 

POst scriptum to CD: your posts are very thought provoking. But they have to be practical. 300 million people is a big ship to navigate in "self empowerment". Just saying...happy hunting for solutions.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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For me, the central dilemma is whether or not humans are something more than beasts. If they aren't, who gives a shit? In that case, all of this is just the natural expression of our species and extinction is always an option.

If this is all about natural law, how can humans do anything other than fulfill their nature?

Nature is red in tooth and claw.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment centerline
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Talk about getting down to the root of the matter!  +1 from me.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:35 | Link to Comment falak pema
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and we all end up dead. What works for me at 20 doesn't at 50 etc. Its a moving target, life's needs. How to avoid depending on others is a dilemma which precludes getting old! Lol, I think CD will propose a solution where we all gas ourselves before the State gasses us! Not stupid, just brutal. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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And precisely why unless people become sick and tired of being stepped on and abused they will never ever consider alternative ways.

Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. We always expect different results, but we are never willing to change within, to accept our own responsibility for the conditions we find ourselves in. Thus it is not me, but everyone else that is always the problem.

The system is designed to enable our own self disempowerment because that is ultimately what we want. The system was created by us to serve us. An alcoholic, when asked to create a city from scratch, will make sure there are liquor stores on every street corner. Then s/he will complain that alcohol is too easy to get, thus the temptation is too great and change will never happen.

There are no quick and easy solutions to our problems because "we" are the problem. We allow these problems to exist. It is as simple as that. You simply cannot control millions of people without their willing consent.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Working.....hold please.

I can promise you this. Few will like it because the "solution" is not push button easy nor fast acting. This is one of the reasons why we constantly hand our own sovereignty over to those who claim "author-ity", in effect to those who author their own "right" to power by convincing us to hand over ours.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Clampit
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Internet jurisdiction.

Facebook already speaks quite loudly to those who print, immagine if they had efficient blacklists to squish corporate or political roaches. What if they held an election? A trial?

That they haven't yet, I believe, is why they have the market valuation they do. And why I didn't invest or bother to create a login.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment falak pema
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keeping the Internet free and democratic and protected, so that hitmen cannot track you down in real world, is vital for its true survival as tool of human progress. Internet jurisdiction in a self empowered net is a good example. I don't know how to manage this w/o some official third party governance. I'm interested in CD's version of how we resolve Internet theft by hackers...etc. or corporate spying of your storage as they have your IP. The very fact that we depend on Internet companies who dominate the NET means as individuals we are powerless if they wanted to control our actions via their portals or services. Its a lonely world, the Net, if you have to make your living off it and its a self empowerment world, where the NET access is controlled by the big boys. I have no experience in that area. Not everybody offers free services like ZH. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Carl Spackler
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The first action of self empowerment is get out of the urban environment.

The modern world is hyper-connected, so you don't need to be there.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Matt
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That's great for a handful of people, but not really possible as a solution for societal change.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Charles always has a statist solution when it comes to his ideas. The problem with that is it will always evolve into a super state over time.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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I don't know. I think you might be splitting hairs here.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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my only cavaet is that we need to both eliminate the food source and scatter the roaches to win, but i think youve got the prioritization down pat

 

scattering rocahes is merely hacking at the branches

 

the root of this evil tree is indeed grown in the soil of the disempowered individual human, the sheep feed the system and are its shield

 

we must be like sheep dogs

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Psssst, CD,  you are the food source.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I fully agree. And I taste like chicken.

I can remove myself as a food source by refusing to be the victim, to refuse to act and think and be the victim. It starts very small, just a slight shifting of my attitude and grows exponentially from there.

Or......we can accept the predator's promise that s/he will not eat the food (us) that we willingly present before them. We've been down this road hundreds of times over thousands of years and the result is always the same.

Time to find the courage to look within and discover the source of our problems..........us.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:44 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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You can do it so long as your tribe let's you.  Sure, I could disappear into any one of a number of wilderness areas and do just fine, but the awakening you speak of will require many to accept a new paradigm, otherwise the few that do will simply be overwhelmed (think holocaust) by the ignorant that are armed by the "them" you speak of.

This is why identifying the fraud in broad daylight and prosecuting the perps, for everyone to see, is so important.  If this never happens (justice) you will never identify "them".  

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree that the fraud and corruption must be exposed. Agreed! This must be done. So the real question is as follows.

Why is it still hidden from view? Yes, yes, I understand that those in power are making every effort to obscure their culpability. But if it is plainly obvious to you and me, why is it nearly invisible to so many others? This is a fundamental issue that must be resolved. Why are so many unwilling to look? I submit that this is because they cannot face themselves, thus they subvert themselves to others.

And I strongly disagree with the consensus view that the majority must awake before change can begin to take hold. The herd is highly sensitive to changes in the wind. In fact this is how the herd is controlled, little nudges here and there, not powerful thrusts.

Enlightened change beginning with me, you (and those people over there) will quickly make a difference. But it requires that I decide to make personal changes within regardless of whether anyone else does. It requires that I demonstrate personal courage with NO expectation of reward of any kind. This effects real and lasting change, which then quickly propagates outward through my family and beyond.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:49 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Correct.  Now regarding actual actions, what will your action be when the nameless thugs have their boot on your neck, or that of your child's?

Chance always favors the prepared mind.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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I thought DDD meant: "Diet. Diet. Diet."

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:48 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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centralized systems do not work, the universe is inherently super-complex, quantum dualism is real and there is NO WAY for a cnetralized system to ever be as Intelligent as a Nodal Network where the nodes themselves are strong, robust, and calculating

 

we have only to wake up the rest of the planet to the THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF TOTAL ENSLAVEMENT in which we still find ourselves

 

up-ending the holographic Economic Deathstar they have created is rather simple through sound money

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 16:32 | Link to Comment shuckster
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I like your idea of the nodal network - nodes allow for parts to be knocked out, while the network as a whole remains robust. A common ideal would be the glue that holds the nodes together

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Smith: thank you captain obvious.

We know this already, and it is (more or less) the American founders' ideal.

Guess what, the reason we aren't living this way is because the government - at all levels - doesn't want this, and they are very powerful. Now please give me some advice on how to get power away from these sociopaths!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:05 | Link to Comment g speed
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simple--arm everyone--let everyone be equally dangerous- and let the sociopaths kill each other.  

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:48 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Correct, the only other way would involve prosecuting the fruad for all to see.  Unfortunately, at this point this would mean TPTB would have to indicte themselves.  Really don't see how anything gets fixed without things getting bloody, even if it is only the sociopaths killing each other (which would be a good thing).

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:39 | Link to Comment odatruf
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I'd argue that voters/Americans don't want this either.

In aggregate, the majority wants to exchange more for them for less for others.  It's as simple, horrible and complicated as that.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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only a model which approximates natue can succeed

 

and only among humans, who are really the weakest animal on earth (and therefore the most intelligent!), do we see the potential to escape the crudity of the predation loop

 

only among humans do we have give and take potential and markets - but if we allow the world to be owned and run by tyrants, we will never taste freedom, we will never escape the fraudulent debt mazes constructed as our prison

 

but we must

 

the potential of our species has been squandered by elites forever and for too long

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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correct- in thr end Nature will provide a harsh solution for years of capital and resource mis-allocation and mal-investment.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:55 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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in their delusion and power madness they really believed they could somehow alter the underlying logistical reality

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:00 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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You see more and more of this as new laws come out that prohibit any independent efforts for survival and encourage more, not less dependence on the state.  This is precisely why you see stupid un-enforcable laws like prohibiting the collection of rainwater and such.  Full retard, as no one wants to have an adult conversation.  fine with me, fuck em.  when paper dies we find out what the real value of everyone's labor is.  Fucking bring it.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:51 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Bullshit, you only need one "D" - Default.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:53 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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I'll take all four and a packet of gravel.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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take what i can get at this point :D

yeah, id settle for breaking the shackles

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:54 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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So, Tyler, you would not empower the central state to enforce equal treatment under the law?  So, your state could outlaw ownership of real property by people with spiky hair and that would be ok with you?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:56 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Wake the fuck up, there is no rule of law. Where is John Corzine?

The whole reason the western world is in the position it is in is because there has not been any real consequences for BAD behavior. Prosecute the fraud or the system will reset, period.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:48 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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This post was not about things as they are, but about things as they should be.  Your observation may be correct, but it is irrelevant to this post and my comment.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:51 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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"as they should be".

So fraud should not be prosecuted in the future?

GO FUCK YOURSELF MORON!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Its a guest post, not a Tyler post so whats the point of asking the Tylers?

For myself, I would say absolutely people should have the freedom to govern themselves.  If someone with spiky hair lived there and their hairstyle was so important to them, they could leave. If losing the spiky haired was detrimental to that state, they could later change the law if they saw fit. I fail to see a problem here, the only opposition to localized government comes from those bent on inflicting their own views on other people someplace else.

As by your tone you seem opposed to the idea of people being able to live and govern themselves as they see fit, I will ask you why you feel you should have the right to determine how people you dont know in places you will never live organize their lives and communities?

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 11:57 | Link to Comment Chump
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Herp a derp

Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:21 | Link to Comment dexter_morgan
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Is having spikey hair the equivalent of being black, or being female - examples of things allegedly protected? Quit putting idiotic straw men out there to support you love of the nanny state.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:35 | Link to Comment yrbmegr
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Ok, then.  Have it your way.  Black, female.  Or male?  You would be comfortable with states not allowing males, for example, to own property?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Well, that poster didnt respond but I'll play- if a locality did why should I care? I would live elsewhere. If San Francisco outlawed white heterosexual males, what difference is it to me? I dont go there, and wouldnt go there.

So what? In that same vein, if someone wants to open a store and only sell goods to biracial transgendered Armenians and I cannot shop there- why should I care?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:02 | Link to Comment g speed
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So lets change the big crooks for littler crooks--duh   what about unalianable and all that?  well I guess it wouldn't be so bad if you could rob a bank in Texas and then run over to Oklahoma-- Oh there will be a law about that? Then mostly its just about which bunch of crooks get to rip you off--the Fed or the individual state crooks----why can't anyone see that Gov'ts are obsolete and COG is the problem. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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States already have extradition agreements for felony level crimes but not on misdemeanors. I suspect this would continue.

If you get into a fight in one state and get a misdemeanor assault warrant, you can avoid it by not returning to that state until it runs out. Robbing a bank doesnt work that way, the Okie cops would send you back if you are picked up. Kick a guys ass in a Texas bar and get over the state line, you are already free and clear.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:04 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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I like DDD boobs...

In other (WW3) news...

 

Turkish source : The plane was in Turkish airspace when it was shot down by Assad's troops...

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:06 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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just because the universe is inherently super-complex doesnt mean there isnt a pattern in the fractal, why its all one giant harmony

 

the human mind/body is like a sort of hypercomputer, it is a pattern recognition-strong engine 

 

"what is self empowerment in an urban setting" et al. - pedantry

 

go mine coal for al iving and then come talk to me - knowing you are a slave is half the battle folks.

 

we cannot escape the inextricable bonds of fate, nor should we wish to.

 

no - even the Mona Lisa is falling apart. We have nothing to lose my friends.

 

EDIFICATION ITSELF IS VICTORY and a literal pulling peopl out of the Matrix

 

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:07 | Link to Comment NuYawkFrankie
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You forgot the 4th "D": DISSOLUTION

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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I WANT TO CHEW CHARCOAL AND BREATHE SMOKE

 

I WANTED TO TEAR MY TEETH OUT

I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO DO

 

- AND I WANT TO REMEMBER IT

I NEVER WANT TO FORGET IT

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:09 | Link to Comment New American Re...
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Take a look at www.nar2012.com,... this exactly what we have done and have a complete program for, and have turned it into a Super Pac, Elect A New Congress, with a website that will be released next week with a program to do just that at www.electanewcongress.com.   Way ahead of you buddy.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:12 | Link to Comment diogeneslaertius
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oh Santayana, you magnificent bastard

i will learn from the past

 

All Histories are false and children's stories

 

there are as yet NO HISTORIES - maybe, maybe if i could sense, detect, and relay the point-particle structure of one parsec of time-space, maybe I could begin  to get my hands on Something - but no, and we do not need reasons, we need but know which direction to fire

 

and we must resist the urge to play the roles that have been cast for us

 

we must have ideological revolution, emergent culture that grows, it must be global, it must be basedo n study of history and on a terse, hard grasp of the real underlying logistics (even if piecemeal, we must create transparent vectors)

 

this is the fire in which we are tempered

 

this age of OUTRIGHT DECEPTION and rule by thieves

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Poetic injustice
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Forget it. Only empire that agreed to dismantle peacefully was British. All other ones screw everything more and more intensely, until blood is in streets.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 16:39 | Link to Comment shuckster
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Ha Britain still runs things - any "dismantelling" you speak of is purely symbolic. Things are still very much run out of Buckingham Palace

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Glitch
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You are being culled. Not tomorrow, not after lunch...now.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:32 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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One US citizen on this site has it: thinkers of tomorrow are here.

US citizen thinkers.

People will migrate to the county that suits them.
Migration. Gonna be good.

Shifting the burden on a third party, US citizen style.

Whatsoever, good read. Very funny.

Mon, 06/25/2012 - 16:23 | Link to Comment akak
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People will migrate to the county that suits them.

Kind of like how the Han Chinese have migrated into the homelands of the conquered (and increasingly displaced) Tibetan, Manchu, and Mongolian peoples?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:43 | Link to Comment MrPalladium
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"What "works" for some communities is not just what's cheapest in terms of consumerism."

The regnant elite doesn't give a fig about our communities nor does it give a fig about the population of the U.S. To them we are cattle to be used at their pleasure.

Attitudes at the top need to change in profound ways. Absent nuclear war directed at our cities or widespread "midnight surgery" it will not happen in our lifetimes.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Eyes on the World
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Redirect federal income taxes to the states.  Then have the states fund the fed budget line by line in part or in whole based on their interpretation of the constitutionality of the budget item in question.  Let the fed sue the state(s) so precedent is set on what is and is not a federal item, and allow the state to keep what it "gets away with".  Cut off all fed-to-state welfare.  It's that simple.  States develop their own policitcal "personality" to which business and labor will respond by moving into or out of states that fit their own personality.  This way decisions are made and funded locally, states are "forced" to govern from a more moderate standpoint (lest they lose revenue through people leaving for other states), and yet each state gets to have it's own political flavor that best represents the residents WITHOUT using tax dollars from other states.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:22 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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States with natural resources will force this issue.  In some cases it is already happening.  Junking the truth does nothing to change it morons.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:03 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Yeah devolve everything to the county level which would do wonders for transportation, business, defense, etc. It is also largely completely impractical for planning on a regional basis for cities that really extend across several counties.  Kind of ridiculous cr@p I would expect to see on here and I knew it one of 2 guess columnists on here as soon as I saw the title.

Its a valid argument insist what should be a state issue vs. federal issue but devolving everything pretty much down the county level is a ridiculous sentiment that will never happen.  

The other issue is that is that when you have smaller independent states who have much greater levels of overall violence between states.  Ancient and modern history shows us this again time after time after time.  Just at Japan before Oda Nobunaga united Japan under the shogunate in the late 16th century.  You had almost constant warfare between local daimyos.  After that during the Meiji period, Japan had nearly 3 centuries of peace and little internal conflict. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:29 | Link to Comment sitenine
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Yeah! What we need is one world government! /sarc
Idiot.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:24 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Did I ever say anything about 'one global government?'  If your going to criticize me, at least base it on something I said okay jacka$$.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:56 | Link to Comment sitenine
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My conclusion stands, even more so actually. You are an idiot. I know what the Fuck you said, and my comment speaks directly to what you imply by what you said. Freedom is not peace; but, after reading your numerous misguided comments, I really wouldn't expect you to understand the difference.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:32 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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So you just assume what people say and make ridiculous assertion and conclusions?  You must be a treat to deal with and a real good commentator. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:52 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Assume you believe then there is no role for the federal gov't and we should disolve it entirely and let each state subsequently choose their own role?  Is that what you are advocating?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 16:38 | Link to Comment sitenine
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I don't recall that I advocated anything, but since you asked: I advocate a limited central power under a loose federation. You know, something like what the Constitution laid out before the federal government took it upon itself to start redistributing the wealth. I also advocate real money backed by real assets, but since you can't see past the first point, I won't even bother explaining what I mean by that.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 16:58 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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So basically you want a return to a role for the federal gov't of say somewhere in the 1870s to before the 16th amendment was enacted in 1913 where the US went on a gold-standard and there was no income tax system.  You would also support a system then of high tariffs that were standard during that period too or a national sales tax instead which woudl be used to pay for the federal gov't as tariffs were the principal source of revenue for the federal gov't after the Civil War & income tax was abolished again.  

What are you arguing for then is not the Constitution really but the Articles of Confederation.  For someone who so readily calls another person an 'idiot' you sure don't know much about American history. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:11 | Link to Comment sitenine
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I'm sorry. I meant, fucking idiot. This conversation has accomplished nothing, so I'm finished with you. Good day.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:59 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Okay. Thanks. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:00 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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I tried to have a conversation with you.  Instead you just ranted about things I didn't advocate for and name-called.  I would bet good money that you have been divorced at least once and generally are a pretty miserable prick to be around. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Eyes on the World
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Yeah, because what we have now is working so wonderfully for transportation, business, defense, etc.?  And, despite knowing human nature doesn't change, we're not in the 16th century in case you hadn't noticed.  Centralization works to a point under certain circumstances but that is not to say that it works in all circumstances.  It is neither an all or nothing proposal, and the COTUS (along with the Rule of Law) should be our guiding force.  

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:34 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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In the US, yeah it generally has worked pretty well overall although there is probably a strong argument that can be made we have erred in how many powers the federal gov't has, the amount of money it spend, and the extent to the role it plays in our country.  Definitely better than the Articles of Confederation.

There are simply a lot of things that smaller and localized gov't will never be able to duplicate including breakthroughs in technology & innovation, seting reasonable standards and regulations that allow business to function efficiently over a large enough area which increases efficiency & productivity, etc, gather significant defense, etc. 

There are things I want the federal gov't doing to make things more efficient.  Hell, one of the things I wish they did was handle things like licensure requirements for medical providers instead of the ridiculous hodgepodge and unncessary billions wasted on state licensure requirements.  Just one set of regulations nation wide.  Plenty of cases where devolving power to the local level actually encourages much more inefficiency, waste, and unncessary legal burdens.   

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:26 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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You are a coward.  For every state that has succumbed to violence are states and cultures that have lived very successfully in peace and harmony with their surroundings.  Everything takes work, critical thinking, and knowledge.  Don't tell the rest of us we need to be dependent on some central state, just because you don't have the balls or intellectual fortitude to think for yourself.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:41 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Another liberterian genius who ignores the realities of human history or why even civilization organized and centralized initally starting around 7-6k BCE.  It was for defense & security from their neighbors in almost every case.  

Maybe you will have your BS utopia where everyone work hards, is a critical thinker, blah blah blah.  I will show up with my larger and more sophsicated society that has a long standing army of professional soldiers and more sophsicated weaponry because my society has more resources to devote to warmongering & killing.  I will give you two simple black and white choices - either pay me tribute and become a vassal or be exterminated.  That's what most of human history has consisted of and will unfortunately in the future. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:57 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Another pussy that ignores the reality that life is hard.

Grow up already, get out of your parents basement, and deal with it.

Having served I can tell you that if you don't think crictically, you won't have shit, including a stronger military.

Nice contradiction there moron.  Too fucking funny, liberal pussies like yourself always give yourselves away.

The choice is black and white, you either work towards a better tomorrow, or you don't.

Thanks for making it clear were you stand.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:01 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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How does what I post 'ignore the reality that hard is hard.'  Actually waiting for a flight to get back home but thanks for the sentiment.

There are things that are more efficient if you do that at a larger level.  What is so controversial about that?  You can debate what those things are possibly but certain things including standards, etc are just that. Its inefficient to have everyone do their own thing at the local level.  Just is.

I have no idea what you are even blatheirng about about 'choice is black and white' and you either work for a better tomorrow or you don't.  I don't even know what you define as a 'better tomorrow' or what choices you think are available.  

Funny how you miss the irony that you constantly mention people need to 'think critquely' yet you almost always talk in generic platitudes with empty jargon or rhetoric.     

As for making things better, I will be doing Habitat for Humanity this Saturday as I often do once-twice a month on Saturdays with time permitting.  If that makes me a liberal pussy in your eyes, so be it. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Ignoring the complete stupidty of your Utopian claims that nobody but you brought up, the Swiss have done quite well for themselves. As have the Dutch. And the Danes.

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:43 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Each of those countries those still has a very centralized structure with a powerful role of central gov't especially the Danes and Dutch.  Little less the case with Swiss cantons but still the Swiss have a strong central gov't that overseas most basic areas.  They are small countries but the analogy doesn't hold.  In order for it to, you would have to do away with any centralized role of the Swiss gov't and only have gov't institution at the canton-level only. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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The internal sturctures of those nations have nothing whatsoever to do with your claim that smaller states will be instantly swallowed up by larger ones. They are entirely separate issues.

The point is that through diplomacy, alliances, etc. those very small states have managed to hang on quite well for centuries, your contention that only huge superstates can survive simply isnt supported by history. Many US states have the size and population of smaller European ones and can do just fine without the Federal umbrella being over them, whether their internal structure is loose or highly centralized does not matter in terms of your claim.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:54 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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State-level organization is completely different than pushing it down to the county-level.  These organizations still have highly developed and centralized forms of gov't too. 

It has only been recent political history too (literally the past 100 years or so) that smaller countries have survived and more often than not they are gobbled up or exposed to occupation when there is conflict.   

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:58 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Well, as I said above I think it should be a state level decision on whether or not to subordinate state law to county law, and that should be decided by people in whatever area not other people far away. If people in one state decided to do it, I fail to see where it concerns others who certainly dont need to move there if they think it a bad decision.

I think you need to re-check your history books, the Swiss, Danes, and Dutch (just as off the top of my head examples) have been around alot longer than 100 years. Yes, there are also many cases where a larger power has temporarily occupied a smaller nation, but it didnt change the long term survivability of the people and culture and the occupations melt away eventually. Spain owned Flanders for a time- yet they dont speak Spanish there as a primary language these days nor do the Belgians seem to view that or their trouble with the Germans last century as a reason to give up national sovereignty.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:46 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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The only place your rule holds is very tiny municipalties like Monaco, San Martino, or Brunei which have unique historical aspects that have allowed them to remain tiny, independent, and relatively well-off. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Going down to the county level should be the choice of people in that state as far as what laws supercede each other.

If State A wants county law subordinate to state law and State B wishes otherwise, let them do so.

If you dont like it you dont have to live there, so whats the problem besides removing the ability of someone like yourself to dictate how other people live?

Thats what really sticks in the craw of people like you- you cant bear the thought of not being able to force your views on other people through a centralized power apparatus.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:59 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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Then you basically figure a configuration for the US similiar to the Articles of Confederation with the extreme modification in which the small unit of political boundary (county) triumphs State or Federal law if the citizens in that county vote to do so.  

I just don't see how a society like that functons in a world as complex and varied as ours even with the widespread deployment of technology deployment which would faciliate voting on such laws. 

Can the people in a county choose to follow Federal yet ignore state law if they choose?  How often would they do this?  Would it be a simple majority?  On what laws would they vote?  Who would write the laws?  How would legal disputes be resolved that span across counties/state?

 

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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There are already vast regional cultural differences in the US to the point that in the collective the country is near political paralysis, and I dont see this changing in the forseeable future.

Within the current framework, of course it cant be done- our current model is centralized power uber alles and it is failing.  I simply dont see it as rational or desirable that 300 million people over a vast area be hammered into one box, I think this is not only unrealistic but a little nuts and certainly dangerous. I also dont see how anyone can look at particularly the history of the 20th century and conclude that powerful central authorities over huge populations is a good thing, the body count was staggering.

I submit that it would be better to let those states in the US which actually want the current setup to continue with it as they please and allow those who do not to go their own way if they so chose. If they want to set up a loose Confederation among themselves ala the Articles, let them do so or if they wanted to strike out on their own, let them. I personally think the a loose Confederation is more likely and desirable in that scenario, Im not sure many states (even Texas) would actually strike out on their own entirely.

Let the Left Coasters put all their money in a pile and divide it evenly if they want, let New England concentrate its energy on new and clever ways to defraud everyone else and chase piles of money, and if the South wants to decentralize let them do so. Trying to make everyone row in one direction isnt working, the gap between what people in different areas want and how they want their lives organized is too great for things to function any longer lashed together.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:16 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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I would actually tend to agree with you on several accounts.  It is not so much the regional diffences (if anything they have diminshed over time on many things in the US have become more homegenized including the food we eat, etc).

The bigger issue is that we have an increasing heterogenous population that increasingly shares less in common in several aspects.  Makes finding compromise harder on issues especially when we are in a time where it is about takign away things from people and not giving out additional benefits.  Historically when the US has had a large influx of immigrants, we would go through a period where we would then limit immigration & take a pause to let immigrants assimiliate.  That or we had excess land available to relieve population concerns.  No longer the case.

Confederation would be a failure I bet among several states.  You would need a dissolution of the US federal gov't and for several smaller nations to emerge with their own constitutions & style of gov't.  Given the strong sentiment though Americans and nationalistic feelings, I highly doubt we will get to this point any time soon though. 

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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Southerners are a curious lot in that regard- they join the military in far greater numbers than any other geographcial group but if you create and publish an agreement from the Federal government that states can actually exercise a right to self determination and opt out without war and I suspect you would see a new nation in short order. The dislike of northern people, culture, and ways is still very strong here.

It would be alot better for the other states also, and if not expect the South to continue supporting whichever politicians can pour the most sand into Federal gears and create the most dismay among its supporters.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 20:35 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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That is just typical though of the most widely and incredibly inconsistent views that most Americans have.  I would have to see the figures but it wouldn't suprise me if the Southerners do volunteer in large numbers as a % of state population.  I would argue that if they didn't support the concept of the US they certainly wouldn't volunteer in large numbers for the military. Nor would most Southerners I imagine wanted most of the US bases there even though they have greatly benefited from the past 30 years from bases/airfields being closed in the Northeast/Great Lakes and shifted to the Plain States/South.

 

 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:09 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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This site desperately needs to find higher caliber oped writers.  Charles Hugh Smith is terrible.  Ditto Brandon Smith who needs to take a writing class. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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"The solution to centralized power can be summarized as the three Ds: diffusion, decentralization, and devolution of power to local communities."

No Charles, wrong on all counts, problem solving not resolved, this is NOT the solution

Have you seen small govts in operation?

'Surprise surprise' they act just as ignorantly and just as rotten as Big Govt ..not just as rotten and stupid, EXACTLY as rotten and stupid

Why Charles Hugh-Smith? Why MEP Hannan?? Why Senator Paul???

Because it's the EXACT SAME system, large or small...

..it's a MONOPOLY of power

You don't solve the problem of monopolies by making it smaller dimwits. You haven't solved the problem, you're just making it smaller.

Fucks sake, how many times do i have to explain it?

We really need problem solving classses ACROSS THE GLOBE because nobodies brains are working, everyone just wants to re-arrange the fuking deckchairs!!!

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:50 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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I would assume you are an anarchist then and believe in no centralized role of power?  Correct?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:38 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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MeBizarro  -  no i'm not an anarchist, the people that support Govt are anarchists because they support a small group of people running riot over society and the economy ...it's called Govt or anarchy by another name

check the history books of Govt's record

then check the history books for anarchy

when does anarchy (social and economic chaos caused by a small group of out-of-control tossers) occur in history?

well take a look at the social and eocnomic chaos in Greece... Greece falls apart every 14 years on average, caused by a small group of out-of-control tossers (politicians) wrecking/bankrupting the economy which leads assuredly to the wreckage of society (see also Weimar Germany, Hitlers Germany, Argentina 3 times, Japan past 20 years etc etc)

Govt is anarchy ...don't listen to the propaganda word you're given to swallow of what anarchy is, make up your own mind, you can out-think the paid Govt crones (academics) that write the dictionary definitions

Think (for Yourself) 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:51 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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If you believe in any form of gov't regardless of the form or creation is immoral, you are an anarchist.  That's at the very definition of it.    

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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no Mr MeBizarro, consider yourself well and truly hed-fuked

when you can think for youself and not swallow the perverse garbage others have given you to confine your thinking come back and we'll have a half decent chat

until then watch your current ideology of the world become perverse ... you know, where the Govt, which "provides Law & Order in society" (cough splutter) wrecks nation (Greece) after nation (Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Japan, Britain, France) after nation (America) 

if you can find where anarchy(as defined by you and the dictionaries) has actually occured in the history books write me back ...until then your definition of anarchy does not exist (ie. you're in LaLa Land)

because in my definition of anarchy it actually occurs all the bloody time and is after YOUR BELOVED GOVT causes anarchy ..because Govt is anarchy (a small group of out-of-control twats running riot across society)

try dealing with actual reality because the philosophical garbage spinning around your brain is from a dream world that does not exist (the academics have taught you not to think very well indeed)

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:41 | Link to Comment MeBizarro
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WTF are you even talking about?  You have a handle that says 'Zero Gov't' which means I assume you advocate for the abolition of any form of gov't or centralized authority whether it is democracy, communism, a king, or even council or ruling elder and some unspecified alternative form in which people cooperate and coexist with one another as they see fit.  That is the very definition of anarchy:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anarchist

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Panafrican Funk...
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Case in point:  Birmingham, Alabama.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/looting-main-street-20100331

The idea that counties aren't extremely easy to corrupt is pretty hilariously stupid.  

Real fucking simple:  money = power.  Anyone see any mention of the various central banks anywhere in this article?  No?  How is any of this information a fix then?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Zero Govt
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Panafrican  -  did you catch the Max Keiswer show yesterday, truck loads of cash (with Police escorts of all things) leaving countries... the elite Parasite Club who never lose (because their political puppets put citizens on the hook for their bets gone bad)

that is anarchy

a small group of toerags wrecking countries (the lives of millions)

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 19:09 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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I dont see anyone making the case that more localized government is going to usher in perfect government, but the amount of damage that can be done is greatly limited in the case of mismanagement, and local government is far more accessible. When a large centralized nation screws up the reuslts can be felt around the globe, when a state or county does the ripples are far smaller and not potentially deadly to tens of millions.

I live in a very small rural town. I had questions about my water bill- so I went directly to see the head of the sewer commission, who happens to also be my mechanic.  I had questions about some county level issues, so I went to see my next door neighbor who happens to be the chairman of the county council. Are local and state goverrnments perfect? No, but the arugment that it doesnt fix all ills isnt exactly valid to my mind- because it isnt a universal panacea doesnt mean that it isnt better than what we are doing now.

It also gives people far more latitude to actually have the type of government they want and not have things they despise forced on them from above.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:11 | Link to Comment whoopsing
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Having helped form the newest village in NYS, I can say that this is easier said than done. We were able to tip over the existing power and establish a more local base . Two years in we are still picking off the leeches that ruined the area for blue collar people. It will be a never-ending battle ,but it IS working...slowly. If you want to do this, be ready for a shit-storm....

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 14:17 | Link to Comment JR
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Great post, CHS.

And the opposite of decentralization if you want something and you can’t pay for it or you want something and you don’t have majority support, is to diffuse upward, go from county to state to national and have the Federal Government make the decisions. And if the federal law makers will not support your minority viewpoint then you go to the courts to do it.

One of the best ongoing examples of the fight against strong centralization of power is the farmers in the Klamath Basin fighting for irrigation water rights against the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service rules on “endangered” fish species. The farmers have been able to get local politicians on their side and Oregon’s U.S. congressmen, all of which has not been enough to override the Executive branch and its Fish and Wildlife Service.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Hayabusa
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Look, DDD makes sense, however it does NOT coincide with Washington's plans to concentrate power... they don't want ANY of us free via local control decision making, they do however prefer to perpetuate top-down management, force the same rule of law on us all and keep us busy living side-by-side knawing at each other's throats - that leaves them more latitude to do as they please (kleptocracy, war monger, cronies giving reach arounds, etc.) because the 99% are busy squabbling over issues of less importance... the sheeple are incredibly stupid and our elected officials know how to keep the 99% all side-tracked and under control. 

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 15:38 | Link to Comment UrbanBard
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Why did the State and Federal government, around 1850, start involving themselves in issuing marriege licenses? It was an attempt to deny interracial marriage. When do a free people need permission from the state to marry?

Marriage is, historically, a sacrament between the two parties, the community and god. Unbelievers have no business getting married; let them use some other name. Most peasants never married; they cohabitated, perhaps for a lifetime. The community knew their status; that they had taken vows to each other.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 18:59 | Link to Comment EnglishMajor
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What do you do about local militias?  What will happen when the Nazi county decides to declare war on the gay county?

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 19:27 | Link to Comment Lednbrass
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I dont see the author making the argument that every county should be a sovereign nation, rather that most decisions handled by politicians could be solved more effectively and more to the satisfaction of people at the lower levels of government.

Fri, 06/22/2012 - 23:19 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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and here I was hoping one of those D's was "decapitation"

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