Guest Post: Some Things You Should Know About China

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GeneMarchbanks's picture

4. China made goods suck.

Enlightening read...

i root for that fat jersey governor's picture

don't forget China is ruled by communists not capitalists - never underestimate the power of the dictatorship. The country could have crashed 5 or maybe 10 years ago if it has the similar struture as the west. But those folks who are sitting on top are willing to do whatever it takes to maintain power and postpone the crash "forever". So this is really an old topic, yawn...

trav7777's picture

nothin I didn't know already and haven't been saying for 5 years.  People accept me everywhere I go because of my sunny personality

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

How could it be otherwise with you trav?  Only in America...

Shvanztanz's picture

I can think of a list of Arab autocrats who had the exact same will to do whatever it took to maintain power at any cost, until about the last year.

People are docile when they are fed. It's when that hunger and loss of livelihood kicks that all bets are off...

qussl3's picture

The arab autocrats kept their populations fed by selling sticky shit where they happened to have the geological fortune to have been sitting on.

China produces crap the world needs and wants, there may be huge problems in the allocation of the spoils of that production but the people are productive there unlike the arabs.

eureka's picture


US Empire is satanic. It is going down. Extricate yourself from it or go down with it.

2012. God-Time. God-On. Truth-Time.

Shvanztanz's picture

Any chance you are mistaking the disease (shortsightedness/fear/greed/unforeseeable natural disasters) with the body (free-market/representative government)?

eureka's picture

The body/mind often creates its own diseases. 

Until the body/mind awakens, repents and takes responsibility according to commands and advice of Christ, it creates disease by co-operating with disease agenda - that is to say agenda of dominance, materialism, exploitation, i.e. the agenda defining US Empire.

When Christ said "give the emperor what is his, and God what belongs to Him" - He did not mean one should submit to or serve empire, but rather that one should serve God and look toward eternal life by following His commands - and turn away from and leave emperors and their minion serfs, slaves and henchmen to play with petty dust, delusional material identity and pathetic pissing contests.

Love, forgivenes and sharing, giving all to God, is the path of peace and salvation. The body will die from disease or age, but following Christ, it won't be caused by self-induced disease, but the mortality of matter, designed, whether by God or evolution, to die.

The only true, lasting body therefore, is the spirit, and it too must meet certain demands to prevail and last: it must be whole, and is so by adhering to God.

If then, a significant mass of US citizens awake and practice the radical love commands of Jesus Christ, yes, then there can be a renaissance of the US. 

We each by our choices of action determine the outcome.

Prepare. 2012.

snakehead's picture

Oh, yeah.  More Jeebus will fix it, and the unbelievers will deserve whatever they get.  Idiot.

Arthur Borges's picture

Yeah, I thought it was kinda fun when Pope Benny went and abolished Limbo, essentially because God told him that room booking demand had been exceeding accommodation capacity for some time up until then.

Apparently, Jesus still knows best but he's been getting older and slower at omniscience like the rest of us.

Stax Edwards's picture

Eureka, you seem to have gotten lost somewhere you should not be.

Go back!

Imminent Crucible's picture

The truth about China hurts, doesn't it, Wai Chu? Might as well get used to it, in China as in Europe and the West; the nation-state is on its last legs, and the more rigid and un-free it is, the faster and harder it will fall.

fiftybagger's picture

Newsflash:  All empires are satanic and end the same.

See Isaiah

eureka's picture

That is self evident. W must focus on the current one. Ours. And dismantle it or sink with it.

love's picture

everything is built to a cost the west tells china what it wants to pay china builds it to meet this cost its that simple china also makes iphones you get what you pay for.  the quality of a product is remembered long after the price is forgotten.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

"you get what you pay for.  the quality of a product is remembered long after the price is forgotten."


Yes, that is certainly true in the bearing business.  We only sell some Chinese product because there IS a "Precio Nada Mas" segment of our customer base.

qussl3's picture

Actually the Chinese can produce quality that rivals the swiss and germans.

Its just that nobody will pay for them.

The contract manufacturers deliver the quality paid for.

Take a look at Chinese movements, better than some swiss ones and some even the swiss cant match.

Audiophillia is another area of interest.

Just because the companies that sell crap to the rest of us choose to make it in China doesnt mean the Chinese cant do quality.

trav7777's picture

what chinese mean japanese

qussl3's picture

Look up seagull and qingdao watch.

Also the swiss watch chinese movement fiasco.

Some movements even the swiss have trouble manufacturing like the double tourbillion, where many are chinese made.

Made in Switzerland is worth crap after they amended the requirements to 50%(?) of the VALUE of the item.


fnord88's picture

They do make some nice audiophile gear. Amps and D/A converters especially.

Diogenes's picture

I have a friend who is in the tube audio business. He buys tubes and parts from China. When he first spoke to them, they emphasized their low prices. When he told them he wanted the best quality possible, regardless of price, they were thrilled to bits - and produced some excellent quality components at very reasonable prices.

legal eagle's picture

Then all goods suck, because from hence do they come -- either in final form or component parts. Ever look under the hood of an American or German made product? I visited a factory in Guangho that made French and Italian purses, they left one strap off and shipped to Italy and France for final "assembly" -- sewing on final strap, so could be sold to US consumers as French and Italian for thousand plus each. Do you really think Gucci, Channel, Lois Vitton are made anywhere but China? You can buy same bags, off same production lines, for $30, and they will sew the strap on for you! Lmao

Arthur Borges's picture

Um, sorry to nitpick but it's Louis Vuitton.

BigJim's picture

No, he really DID buy a Lois Vuitton bag for his wife while in China... at unbelievable prices!

EnglishMajor's picture

At least they have Wal-Mart going for them...which is nice.

eurogold's picture

That's because dumb consumers worldwide only want the best deal / cheapest price.

The Chinese are fully capable of producing high tech /high quality goods. Think about that the next time you log on with your lap-top or i phone.

Buck Johnson's picture

Because they know that this charade won't last forever and when it stops, you will have hundreds and hundreds of millions of people/peasants attacking the rich and/or people with means that they feel brought the country to this condition (if you don't believe me just look at what happened to the chinese business class and the rich in the past when the populace got crazy).  In fact Vancouver is essentially Honk Kong east, so many Chinese are immigrating (if they have the money and some not) to Vancouver and the pacific northwest that it's looking more like parts of Asia. 

Also I don't agree with the writers judgement that the US (you can tell from the tone in his writing) as a young country/culture is better than the older ones because of our transparency and "what you see is what you get".  If he hasn't been living in a cave or have lived to long over in China, he would know that transparency has erroded over the course of years in this country.  Transparency in the govt., business, judicial etc., all of it has become more and more opaque.  And this is done in essence to "save face" American style.  If something is done that might put govt. officials or police in jail, what happens they try to obfuscate or hide the evidence or issue.  We have our own "backdoor" issues that people in other countries don't know until they are here.  Everything from racial hatred, to social mores.  All the writer is doing is comparing other places that treat him different with a place that he grew up in that he knew all the mores and his way around it and they treated him like an American. 

If he was Chinese he may look at bribery or whatever as business as usual and not a corruption, just their version of "backdoor" to save face.  In those countries at least they are honest about why they are doing it.  In America we can't be and try to deny it happens when it's being done right in front of them.

Segestan's picture

I'm shocked.. Shocked I tell ya.. Not about China.. but that a truthful view on China was written. Wow .. and the Liberals actually let this view through.

Uncle Keith's picture

Heh... Liberals... That's rich.

You "Amoral/Selfish" types just kill me. George H.W. Bush elevated China to Most Favored Trading Nation Status - not a "Liberal".


Next, you're gonna tell me you're some kind of "conservative", right? That's equally laughable. You project - quite conspicuously - from a sense of powerlessness.



buyingsterling's picture

Both Bushes, Clinton, Obama - all globalists (and Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan). That matters more than party labels, and it's why nothing really changes.

Shvanztanz's picture

I am with you Segestan. If only there were more people to follow the China truth model, things would become a lot less expensive. Consider the trillions, yes, trillions lost to the GWOT.

Trillions in expenditures, debt and inflation thanks to all the Oil that we DIDN'T get from Iraq when we tricked the natives into sabotaging their own infrastructure. Think what that did to Oil Supply and Demand. If you can't, I'll tell you, gas was about $1.50 a gallon in 2001. Now it's more than double. Weapons of Mass Destruction or Weapons of Mass Production?


Arthur Borges's picture

I was at Reuters in 1995 and 1996. At the time, everybody around me was oxpecting an end to sanctions but worried how barrel prices would sink once Iraqi oil was unfettered and back out on the world market.

Since the 2003 invasion, gasoline rapidly became rapidly in very short supply: I suspect it was all earmarked for export at sub-rockbottom prices.

If a given oil exporter goes offline, I further suspect it is no suspect: you resort to the price support mechanisms you can get.

Ancona's picture

I do so enjoy reading CHS essays.

eureka's picture

CHS is NWO - US Empire & globalization propaganda tool.


US ranks 30 in trustworthy nations - i.e. 30 steps below the least corrupt nations in the world - of which the top most trustworthy and least corrupt  are European countries.

Suck your selfrighteousness US'ian national socialists, while your Federation crumbles.

topcallingtroll's picture

I knew u might get something at least partially right if you just typed long know.....monkeys, typewriters, and shakespeare.

I hadnt seen many USA haters in a while. Welcome back.

Truth that northern european countries have lower corruption indexes. Too bad you are geographically connected to southern europe.

eureka's picture

Here's a lesson in logic:

1  US, as per its constitution, is one thing - US Empire an entirely different construct

2  Some people are able to associate and dissociate along principles rather than ethnicity

I am Anglo - not Mediterranean - whom I love - as much as constitutional US'ians.

As for typing monkeys - some say identification/characterization is a function of recognition: IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE.

Diogenes's picture

According to one Italian, American bureaucracy is child's play to a European. You want a permit or license, you answer a few questions out of English for Beginners (what is your name, what is your address) and boom, you got it. No bribes, no "knowing somebody", no nothing. Just a few bucks and fill out a form.

buyingsterling's picture

The monkeys never type any Shakespeare. To get a 100 character sentence would take 1000 times as many keystrokes as there are atoms in the universe, in as many universes as there are atoms in the universe (approx. 10 to the 150th power). Complex things like sentences never happen by chance ((SARC ON) except for a few things that are _vast orders of magnitude_ more complex than sentences, such as living cells. Apparently they pop up with some regularity, as our existence proves. Chemical evolution, etc.) SARC OFF.

If every cubic milimeter of water 'mixed' once every second in a way which could conceivably result in the formation of a living cell, and if there were a water bearing world circling every star in the universe for all of its 13.7 billion years, the number of opportunities for the production of a single living cell would be less then 10 to the 50th power. There are another 100+ zeroes to go, each reducing the likelihood by a factor of ten, before chance can account for a single short sentence. If we are natural creatures, the odds are good that we are alone in the universe.

kato's picture
  • Yes. Still, the myriad Party Boss' wives are in the Sands Macau at 10AM playing Baccarat with $100 chips, and losing; the Triad Mafioso in white shirts or neck ties are in small rooms in the Lisboa swapping stacks of $1000 rectangular chips with each other and chuckling at their fortune/misfortune, casting a wary eye as you pass by. NO, all is well in China, the great loan machine that gets a cut funneled back to the 'right' people is still taking place, despite the occasional corruption head that rolls. Back to the rice patties for all when it end. But no end in sight.
pauhana's picture

"The new arrival falls in love, and their romance lasts from a few months to a few years. Eventually the way things actually work becomes evident, and start grinding away at the love affair. After a long time, the outsider-resident become cynical, or even bitter; what a bloody unholy mess this place is, beneath the phony surface sold to tourists. The 20-year resident listens with a wry smile to the newcomer gush over the ancient ways and glorious food, etc., but keeps his mouth shut. Why spoil romance? Reality will do so soon enough."

Sounds like my experience in Hawaii.  You need to be there a while before you realize how totally disfunctional the place is.  The beauty masks the rot beneath.

chinaguy's picture

LOL - "aloha" really means "fuck you haole" - esp. on the Big Island

Hephasteus's picture

Hawaii's the most beautiful nuclear crap storage dump on the planet.

ItsNotYouItsMe's picture

State controlled media is a handy, kind of a Swiss Army tool.  You can do anything with headlines and news even if there's no base in truth.

I have friends in China that speak of much here.  Truth is, there's almost no regulation there and taking care of your local powers that be is all you need to win in business.

I think the best trick China has really mastered though is, make it cheap, make it fast, get it to market and make them buy it over and over since it will break soon!

The 1 in 50 failure rate is now 1 in 25 so they sell twice as much and show just that much more growth.  Growth slows, increase the failure rate to 1 in 15, then 1 in 5 ... growth in exports through accelerated replacement!

While they do that, we follow the "Change Store" model .... volume baby!

For a quick laugh, see examples of these below (can't avoid the initial commercials of course these days, just mute 'til the clip starts :) ... enjoy killing some time!

China Stragegy

US Strategy


Septicus Maximus's picture

George Washington didn't write this.  I don't believe a werd of it. 

GCT's picture

The man speaks the truth about Face.  Having lived in the Far East for over 12 years, you will never be accepted as an equal and if you intend to do business there you had better learn about face as it is the most important thing to asian males.  More important then their wives and mistresses. 

Japan is actually the worst of the bunch, followed by the South Koreans, then the Chinese.  We can all talk about corruption here in the good ole USA but corruption in the western sense is a daily happening there.

Arthur Borges's picture

To put it simply for the Western mindset: Face-saving = Ego-stroking & management.

You do what it takes to go out of your way to make everybody look good in public.

If you get confrontational, you may (or may not) secure a tactical victory, but the ultimate price down line will make you sorry you didn't just shut up or, even more intelligently, find a middleman to negotiate a mutally acceptable solution to your particular issue of the moment.

kito's picture

....china will not have a hard landing. wake up!!! 1.3 BILLION PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE BARELY BEGUN TO GROW!!!! they are the future and the world knows this. growing pains yes, but not more. my money is with the rogers camp, not the chanos camp.....

qussl3's picture

Demographics says they go splat in about 20 years or so.

In the meantime the debt capacity is nowhere near as saturated as in the west.

The credit bubble will be blown there too, the question is whether the inflation of the oriental credit balloon can offset the deflation of the western one.