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Guest Post: SS Agents And Prostitutes- Another Case Of The Worst Rising To The Top

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Submitted by James Miller, chief blogger at the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada

SS Agents and Prostitutes- Another Case of the Worst Rising to the Top

Austrian economist F.A. Hayek’s most famous work, The Road to Serfdom, is renowned for identifying two general rules in regards to politics and the state.  As the title of the book suggests, Hayek was keenly aware of the massive centralization of power taking place during the World War II era as Keynesianism took off and planned economies seemed like the next, natural step in the art of governing.  He correctly warned that economic intervention begets further intervention which would eventually lead to totalitarianism.

To reinforce this claim, Hayek explained a truth which haunts all those vying for public office.  Because the state, by definition, acts as a monopoly of force and predation, those who seek to brandish its authority don’t always have the most charitable intentions in mind as they clearly prefer an occupation of violence over harmonious enterprise in the private sector.  As Hayek writes:

Advancement within a totalitarian group or party depends largely on a willingness to do immoral things. The principle that the end justifies the means, which in individualist ethics is regarded as the denial of all morals, in collectivist ethics becomes necessarily the supreme rule.

While Hayek wrote on the mindset one needs to be successful in implementing the state’s various decrees, this type of behavior often spills over into otherwise unrelated government activities.  Such delinquency is fostered by the fact that those who operate within the public sector have little regard for the money and privileges designated to them as it is paid for on the backs of taxpayers and not from their own personal funds.  One of these embarrassing (for the ruling class, not those forced to support them) moments came to pass recently in Colombia as a few Secret Service personnel, tasked with preparing a summit venue for a visit by President Obama, were caught both soliciting high end call girls and stiffing them after the deed was done.  From the National Post:

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Secret Service said Wednesday that three employees will leave their jobs over the sex scandal in a hotel in Colombia which tarnished the elite presidential protection agency’s image.

A total of 11 agents and at least 10 military personnel are being investigated over the incident, which reportedly came to light when a prostitute got into a dispute over payment with one of the agents.

The New York Times on Wednesday carried an interview with one of the prostitutes, who said that the affair came to light after an agent offered her $30 for sex after earlier agreeing to pay $750.

By virtue of being a gang of thugs in charge of watching out for one of the biggest bullies in the world, the Secret Service’s reputation has long since been tarnished.  There is something to be said when the leader of a supposedly free and friendly country must employ brutes to shakedown visiting tourists at his “place of residence” and designate areas as “non free speech” zones on whim.

Rather than a small security force, the Secret Service has evolved, like all executive government agencies inevitably do, into something far more sinister.  Not only can it unilaterally revoke the protection of speech guaranteed by the Constitution, but it has proven to be staffed with those inept and feeling entitled enough to waste the public’s dime on seedy shenanigans.

Hayek, while a brilliant mind, was not right on everything.  He saw the welfare state is legitimate, a need for regulation into private industries such as education and food, and the necessity of the state in providing for individual and national defense.  Yet even he was able to distinguish how political power attracts those who will use in the worst manner.

The Secret Service agents who procured prostitutes may be relieved of their duty but it will only serve as a cautionary tale for the rest to keep their off-duty exploits better concealed in the future.  The waste and graft will go on despite a pledge from Obama for a “rigorous” probe and his potential successor’s promise to “clean house.”  These promises are just political theater used to conceal the playground like mentality which possesses the attitudes of all those who wield the guns of the state.


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Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:17 | 2365402 CH1
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Such is the way of institutions.

But monopolistic institutions - those who don't have to satisfy customers in order to get money - get to their vile terminus faster.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:21 | 2365414 Careless Whisper
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Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:59 | 2365491 nmewn
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"This is a big fucking deal."-Biden

401(k)s About To Be Corzined By Politicians In Need Of Money

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:49 | 2365610 Matt
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Feds eye retirement fund tax to cut $16 Trillion-plus Deficit

Holy Crap, how did the deficit grow 10 fold overnight?

(I'm assuming the NY Post just cannot tell the differnece between debt and deficit)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:32 | 2365670 nmewn
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With "progessives" running around with their hair on fire screaming about cops, teachers, women & children and the firemen to put out their flaming hair...the distinctions won't matter in very short order.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:50 | 2365788 Calmyourself
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Succinct and relevant again...

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:12 | 2365819 JoeSexPack
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Baby, my cash money...

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:53 | 2365889 Hard1
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Bitches bitchez!!!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:34 | 2365678 FrankDrakman
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Decimal points are for pussies!

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 00:19 | 2365977 jeff montanye
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well there's the annual deficit and there's the sum of all years' deficits.  unconventional but it is a deficit, goodness knows.  also the post got it wrong.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 04:10 | 2366098 vnguru
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@ Tim Viec Lam: just get it..just do it..yes..yes! and then you will be kick out of US force. I see all news Chanel talk about this scandan. Don't know how, but US still face with alot of prolem. we need to change, or we will be destroy..Tuyen Dung...

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 10:01 | 2366588 Nukular Freedum
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It is an interesting fact that the Libertarian model has never been adopted by any state of significance in modern times, despite the opportunities supplied by democracy. There must be a reason for this since Communism has been adopted countless times. Could it be that the banishment of government is an apriori false notion?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:42 | 2365697 Votewithabullet
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Why should they, 75% of the sheeple couldn't tell you the difference. Joe (the jew ) lieberman said this morning his committee will be investigating these SS agents. I hope he gets them after all these men were having sex WITH WOMEN  no less. Laughing all the way to my end. Trillion dollar deficits yearly, 4 Fucking years after Lehman with no charges? Didnt Charlie G tell us charges were looming 2 years ago? Loaded and then locked.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:56 | 2365720 vast-dom
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Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:05 | 2365741 Death and Gravity
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Don't rag on the whores you fool, they are of far higher moral character and productive fiber than the scum in the halls of power.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:15 | 2365753 vast-dom
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Hey DG that's precisely my point, fool! 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:27 | 2365431 Max Fischer
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I don't think you should take an outlier event, and pretend it's indicative of the whole.  

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:30 | 2365441 Hedgetard55
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Right Max, and there is usually just one cockroach.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:57 | 2365447 Max Fischer
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Where I live, there aren't any cockroaches, so I'm not too familiar with their herding habits.  The secret service employs over 6,000 people - this was an instance involving, maybe, 10.  So far, only a couple have been accused of any wrongdoing.

Furthermore, I find it highly hypocritical that James Miller, an outspoken "agent" of libertarianism, would have such qualms with and make such ethical claims against prostitution.  Libertarianism is about individuals having the liberty to do whatever they want.  Libertarianism should be PROTECTING the institution of prostitution, and the freedom of individuals engaging in contracts between themselves. This reminds me of when Ron Paul was standing among all the Republicans and making ethical claims against pre-marital sex in an effort to pander to the Republican voter.  If there was any political movement that stood for prostitution, sex, pre-marital sex, etc., it would be libertarianism.  A REAL libertarian would never make ethical or moral claims against prostitution and, in the case of Ron Paul, pre-marital sex. 

This article isn't about libertarianism or its beliefs.  This is pure anti-Obama administration propaganda thinly disguised as libertarian doctrine.    

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:05 | 2365502 knowless
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The secret service of the united states of america employs men who will essentially rape as they see fit. If the hooker offered a price that was agreed upon, then it should be paid, otherwise the sex was non-consensual.

Prostitution is legal under restricted circumstances in columbia, however, the men trusted with the safety of the president of our free democracy should have the decency and will to abstain from endeavors which could potentially endanger the lives of those they are sworn to protect, and by extension the stability of the nation.


Pretending as if it is acceptable for even one individual at this level of security to possess such flaws is absurd.

american exceptionalism right?


knowless, fuck your mother

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:18 | 2365535 Marginal Call
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Perhaps the contract wasn't honored.


Maybe she put in lackluster effort.  Price was for all 3 holes, only 2 given and she refused to swallow. 


We are going to need to hear more facts.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:34 | 2365547 knowless
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exactly, this calls for arbitration..


and btw, my moneys on this being heard in columbia as obama's SS gangraping an escort, not prostitute. people tend to remember those type of things.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:59 | 2365734 Marginal Call
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I'm thinking with a proper investigation, it will be found that he was drunk and possibly high and that she had attempted to force him into a fraudulent contract.  Further, if proper maritime law is applied he will be found not liable because power of attorney belongs to his superior officer when one is smashed on shore leave and he is not allowed to enter any contracts in such a state.  


And if by some circumstance the contract is found valid, the agent will retain the right to raw dog her stink hole, because that is included at that price and that is clearly source of the disagreement.   

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:37 | 2365579 imbrbing
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LOL, yes, we need details!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:14 | 2365643 hamurobby
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I really feel bad for the ss now I have more info and a broader understanding of the underlining holes in this story.

Max, its not about the oldest profession, its about ethics while performing a duty for ones country outside of our borders.  I have no problem with an entrepreneur making a living, please let them get really competitive on rates!

. Ron Paul is stuck on a few things, the Mercan people are not ready for it after 160 years.

 Your post is so random I gave you a greeny.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:56 | 2365801 Acorn10012
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Gives "ATM" a whole 'nother meaning.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:20 | 2365521 Seize Mars
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No cockroaches in Newport Beach?

Anyways glad to hear you are interested in Libertarian causes. The problem isn't the professional girls, it's the fact that the Praetorians live high on the hog from coercion. Coercion is violence.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:12 | 2365522 Hobbleknee
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It has nothing to do with Libertarianism.  It's about the rule of law and our hypocritical masters who think they're exempt.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:03 | 2365601 Max Fischer
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It's written by a leading libertarian blogger for the Mises Institute of Canada, and the entire article is anchored to a quote from Hayek. 

WTF is wrong with you people? Eat your hypocrisy and move on.

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:20 | 2365650 hamurobby
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Choices max babe, can you snort coke until you die? you should and you should not expect a waaambulance to show up and save your ass, do you agree?


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:54 | 2365797 Calmyourself
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Yes Max, hang your hat on the Libertarianism.  You seem to be running out of hooks lately perhaps retire to the patio, I hear Muffy calling your ice is melting..

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 02:18 | 2366043 Hobbleknee
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If our "elected" masters legalized prostitution, you wouldn't hear any Libertarians complaining.  But that's not the case.  It's currently illegal for the rest of us.


Why do you relish in beig a slave?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:17 | 2365526 GeoffreyT
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Sad as it is, this is yet more evidence that the ALLSS (Adult Literacy and Life Skills Survey) vastly over-estmates 'document' literacy... for nowhere in Miller's piece did I read any pejorative directed at the prostitutes themselves, or at the SS agents for availing themselves of the prostitutes' services.

No... not a bit of it. The issue was that the SS - in typical .gov fashion - sought to change the terms of a contract after the services had been delivered.

If you were unable to glean that from the plain text, then in my estimation your reading comprehension is not at a level sufficient to enable you to cope with the everyday exigencies of the information age... and yet if I had to bet I would venture that you would fall into Cat4 or 5 (the top 2 categories) on the ALLSS. (.gov deliberately sets low benchmarks, so that it can claim that its vast expenditure on indoctrination is leading to improvements in literacy).

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:14 | 2365578 Max Fischer
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WHAT?? !!

First of all, your name is spelled J.E.F.F.  JEFF.  NOT GEEEOOOFFF. GEOFF?  WTF?  Why do some people named Jeff have to be so WEIRD about the spelling of their name?  Don't be weird.  Your political affiliation and your identification with Fawkes is creepy enough. 

Secondly, you did not read "any pejorative directed at the prostitutes"   ????  Did you actually read the article? 

Give me a break!  The entire article is ANCHORED to THIS ONE QUOTE!

Advancement within a totalitarian group or party depends largely on a willingness to do immoral things. The principle that the end justifies the means, which in individualist ethics is regarded as the denial of all morals, in collectivist ethics becomes necessarily the supreme rule.

How could you possibly miss this?

Lastly, Mr. Miller was NOT writing an article about the SS changing the terms of the agreed upon price - that was not the thrust of the article.  It was about the central government/totalitarian group having the "freedom to do immoral things," as quoted by Hayek, such as engaging in prostitution.  The price discrepancy was just a detail mentioned by the National Post, not by Miller.   

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:22 | 2365657 Coke and Hookers
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What the fuck is wrong with you Max? Are you on dope or something?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:02 | 2365804 Calmyourself
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Puppet.. divide /conquer - sow division with in the ranks- fifth column - take your choice..

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:19 | 2365679 hamurobby
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Morals have nothing to do with freedom, dont be an idiot, the ss does not get "time off' while outside of our borders.

 Its like saying that the acts of an individual soldier represents the desires of a nation.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:38 | 2365689 nmewn
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"It was about the central government/totalitarian group having the "freedom to do immoral things," as quoted by Hayek, such as engaging in prostitution.  The price discrepancy was just a detail mentioned by the National Post, not by Miller."

I think its immoral to tax when they can just print/counterfeit whatever they want. And that "price discrepancy" is no small detail to the one being taxed.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:43 | 2365703 FrankDrakman
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  1. You are the only one here suggesting prostitution is illegal or immoral. In ANY libertarian's mind, it is neither. It might be unsavoury, or seedy, but those are matters of taste, not morality.
  2. It's doubtful anyone would have heard word one of this matter EXCEPT at least one SS agent short-changed (probably in more ways than one..) the lady in question. That's breach of contract, which IS illegal to any libertarian.
  3. Calling out someone on the way he spells his name is childish, pointless, and says that you have no rational argument. BTW, one of my frat brothers spelt his name that way, and he was called "Gee-off", to which he never objected.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:07 | 2365743 Max Fischer
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You are the only one here suggesting prostitution is illegal or immoral.....

Pure garbage.  Mr. Miller wrote an article about the secret service and the prostitution scandal.  He quoted a comment by Hyak about ethics and morality to anchor his entire article.

That's where the ethics and morality came from.  Not me.  I'm just responding to it, and calling it for what it is.

Calling out someone name Jeff for spelling his name GEOFF is NOT childish.  It's ridiculous, foolish and embarrassing and he needs to know it.

gMaeox, Phissshher, Civis Mundi

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:19 | 2365757 Marginal Call
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Max, you seem like a pretty sharp guy, and you make some cogent points.  So why spend so much time arguing with true believers?  It's an unwinnable battle, so is it a hobby of some kind?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:25 | 2365841 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, sharp as a fucking bowling ball.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 23:10 | 2365916 Marginal Call
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No, he just has too much faith in the "system", while understanding the failures of libertarianism.


What libertarians don't get, is that while they rail against the government we are living in their libertarian paradise.  In Randistan cash is king.   And that's where we live, in a wholly corporate owned state, where cash is king.



Sun, 04/22/2012 - 23:46 | 2365955 Bay of Pigs
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Libertarian paradise? LOL...

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 00:18 | 2365975 essence
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Max Fischer

You need to get out more and educate yourself.

The English speaking world other that 'mericans don't spell Jeff as we do in the USA
And whos to say what's best.
Chill out man.

No doubt if you ever discovered how they spell 'jail' you'd have an anuresim.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 07:47 | 2366257 Overflow-admin
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Max, either you're a .gov troll or you need serious detoxification. How can't you listen to any argument and/or digression and always come back to your opinion? We're free to discuss the content of the article, the context, etc. This is why comments sections exist, so if you don't like that, please submit your comments as "contributions", so we can continue to bash you properly, or GTFO, because except your ability to repeat yourself endlessly, you don't add anything here.


P.S. Attacking the messenger isn't a good strategy (except if it's a troll)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:34 | 2365568 spinone
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When you're right, you're right

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:23 | 2365661 Zero Govt
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Max Fisher  - "Libertarianism is about individuals having the liberty to do whatever they want."

Agreed. So what should the SS do in this instance, what do you stand for, 10 sackings or 10 cover-ups? 

"Libertarianism should be PROTECTING the institution of prostitution.."

What should Govt do about prostitution Max?

".. and the freedom of individuals engaging in contracts between themselves.."

How about the freedom (and Constitution) being abused by the Big Brother Bully State, what should we do Max, i'd like to hear your stance on freedom?

"This article pure anti-Obama administration propaganda thinly disguised as libertarian doctrine. "

I agree. And Obumma is a bankers puppet thin ly disguised as 'Hope & Change'. How robust is the President, in fact the enire US State.. are our "protectors" of freedoms in fact the enemy within Max?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:54 | 2365796 mick_richfield
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Civis mundi my tired ass.

Why the fuck are you talking about the hookers, little human?

The guys involved in this deal are fucking Praetorians!  And they're spending their time dipping their wicks when they're supposed to be worrying about the President? ( Even if it is Howdy Doody, they still don't get to dick off on the job. )

In my time, I wouldn't have fired them. 

I would have crucified them.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:35 | 2365446 Unprepared
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When you don't know what is the underlying distribution, you are forced to do that. That's the price that comes with secretive organisations.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:11 | 2365509 GOSPLAN HERO
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SS and SA Rivalry --

"After Hitler took power in 1933, the SA became increasingly eager for power and saw themselves as the replacement for the German army, then limited by law to no more than 100,000 men. This angered the regular army (Reichswehr), which already resented the Nazis. It also led to tension with other leaders within the party, who saw Röhm's increasingly powerful SA as a threat to their own personal ambitions. Originally an adjunct to the SA, the Schutzstaffel (SS) was placed under the direct control of Heinrich Himmler in part to restrict the power of the SA and their leaders.

Although some of these conflicts were based on personal rivalries, there were also key socioeconomic conflicts between the SS and SA. SS members generally came from the middle class, while the SA had its base among the unemployed and working class. Politically speaking, the SA were more radical than the SS, with its leaders arguing the Nazi revolution had not ended when Hitler achieved power, but rather needed to implement socialism in Germany. Furthermore, the defiant and rebellious culture encouraged before the seizure of power had to give way to a community organization approach such as canvassing and fundraising, which was resented by the SA as Kleinarbeit, "little work," which had normally been performed by women before the seizure of power." --Wikipedia

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:05 | 2365635 Diogenes
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Using sex to suborn or blackmail a government employee is the oldest trick in the book. Employing prostitutes while on active service is an act of stupidity that could directly affect their ability to do their duty.  Not sure if this is worse than, say, showing up for work hung over or losing one's gun but it must be close.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 22:34 | 2365854 Freddie
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This one agent had a Facebook page where he posted a bunch of s**t too.  What a moron.  More govt workers living off the labor of taxpayers.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:57 | 2365730 vast-dom
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Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:58 | 2365479 GOSPLAN HERO
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Sic Semper Tyrannis!


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:59 | 2365802 mick_richfield
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sic simper simias.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:45 | 2365597 stocktivity
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I'll pay her $750 to co-author the book you know is going to be written....for 20% of the profits.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:56 | 2365620 Cabreado
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"Such is the way of institutions."

Ya gotta drill down a little more...

such is the way of the Pathologically Self-Absorbed (go ahead and call them Sociopaths, for ease-of-use).

Don't let the scum hide behind "institution" or anything else.  Dangerous thinking, that is...


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:55 | 2365724 ihedgemyhedges
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Let me summarize this "hole" deal.  This is the "tip" of the iceberg. Agents were placed in "compromising positions." Intelligence may have "leaked".  People will have their "asses eaten out" over this "affair".  People will ask "Was ""Protection"" really the objective?"  This could really get "hairy".  If Navy was involved, we need to talk to those "seamen".  Nine months from now, will there be a new "breed" of Colombian Secret Service babies in existence?  And I'd like to know if any of those prostitutes were "tagged" with wires.  The agency's "glory" may go down the "hole".  Were official "handcuffs" used at any time during this "missionary"?  I also heard it was kind of "nippy" and rainy "down there", did the agents take "raincoats?"

So many questions.................

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:17 | 2365406 Sudden Debt
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Jeez... If it where 2 blond twin sisters with tits like bazookas... Sure!... But for a colombian hooker?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:28 | 2365438 RafterManFMJ
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Jeez... If it where 2 blond twin sisters with tits like bazookas... Sure!... But for a colombian hooker?


Typical government, overpaying for everything, then trying to get out of a contract.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:50 | 2365475 disabledvet
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that'll learn em!

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 04:49 | 2366103 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Its amazing...I like going to Poland where for about 50-70 bucks you can have a barbie girl for an hour

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:05 | 2365501 GMadScientist
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"Party favors"


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:08 | 2365511 Marginal Call
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Seriously, 750 is some high class first world tang.  In the 3rd world for 750 I expect her, her sister, and two weeks hard labor.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:24 | 2365551 YC2
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Colombian grls are gorgeous - one of the parts of the world that gets the genetic mix just right IMO - but 750 would get you a "girlfriend" for the month there.  Cartegena is a tourist trap though., with tourist prices if you are a good mark.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:19 | 2365409 bonderøven-farm ass
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Taxpayers flipping for more toxic moral hazard observed here.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:35 | 2365448 Rubbish
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I'm just here for the pics

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 23:27 | 2365938 Teamtc321
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Here is one for you then.


Hillary Clinton Enjoys Body Shot off of Younger Aides’ Firm Tan Stomach (Photo)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:20 | 2365412 radicall
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"After agreeing to pay $750".. that is just a he said she said thing. "She" may have said "I want to be with you forever" and they guy taking her home ignores it - doesn't mean that he agreed to spend his whole life with her.

Even for individuals there should be nothing immoral about prostituion. Why is it okay to be expected to pay when taking someone out for a date which may lead to sex, but wrong to pay for the sex itself and cut out the drama?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:24 | 2365427 Sudden Debt
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Nothing wrong with it.
Woman do it by playing easy
Guys pick up hookers.
It's always been like that for thousands of years.
But nobody talks about it.
Thats a conversation only talked over by best friends.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:58 | 2365487 disabledvet
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but did he even pay the 50 bucks? that's what i wanna know. CONGRESSMAN! I DEMAND THE SORDID DETAILS! AND I WANT PICTURES, TOO!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:18 | 2365536 YC2
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This article is dumber than the outrage over pink slime.  Prostitution is the oldest profession and the national sport in Colombia.  Big Fucking Deal.  There are much better examples of power corrupting people.  This is TMZ level news with a political spin.  It wouldnt even be news in the country where it happened if the US wasnt so superficially puritanical and sensationalist.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:52 | 2365481 Coke and Hookers
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"Why is it okay to be expected to pay when taking someone out for a date which may lead to sex, but wrong to pay for the sex itself and cut out the drama?"


Women feel better about themselves when the payment for sex is in the form of drinks at the bar, meal, clothes, flowers or divorce settlement - rather than cash.

Most men also feel better about themselves paying like that, rather than paying cash.

It's all about feeling good about yourself and pretend that you're not a whore - or that you didn't just have sex with one for money.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:00 | 2365493 disabledvet
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Even though i'm a guy for some reason this comment doesn't make me feel better.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:09 | 2365515 FeralSerf
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It's all about attitude.  He wouldn't want to think he's been fucked.

Wait. . . .

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:19 | 2365654 knukles
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Espescially when written by Lloyd Blankfiend hiding behind the nom de plume of "Coke and Hookers".

Jesus... now I gotta hang onto my wallet and my nutsack?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:42 | 2365700 hamurobby
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 Lilly lives... no matter how its been erased from the Bible.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:10 | 2365519 Marginal Call
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In a relationship you pay for sex. 


With a prostitute you pay for her to leave.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:28 | 2365555 stocktivity
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No one is talking right or wrong to pay for sex. who cares. It's not ok with me when my tax dollars were probably used to pay her. How much per day spending money are these guys given? Was this money used to pay for sex? Of course they will say no way. Do I believe them? Of course not. I don't mind a meal and a drink or two on my dime but not an $800 whore!!!  .....and who the fuck believes this is a one time happening.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:46 | 2365604 williambanzai7
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I would like to hear what the mamasan has to say. You don't negotiate with the girls and you better believe the mama knows what shit went down.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:56 | 2365727 FrankDrakman
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WB, it's not Asia. The woman, in the reports I've read, said she was an independent.  In those reports, she said she charged much more to the agent than normal, because she believed him to be a "rich businessman".

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:25 | 2365763 Marc_W
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Because while all women are whores they don't like to think of themselves as whores.  But they have vaginas and use them to get things they want, things like money and nice dinners.  And to avoid thinking of themselves as whores, sometimes they will let a guy buy them a nice dinner or take them somewhere expensive and not put out.


See how it works?


Yea, me neither.  All women are whores.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 12:53 | 2367367 MsCreant
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Some of us pay our own way and fuck who we please because we want to. I feel sorry for you if you really believe all women are whores. You keep poor company.

Fri, 04/27/2012 - 14:00 | 2380669 PY-129-20
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I agree with MsCreant on this. Still, I love to read Schopenhauers brilliant misogynic piece of work about women (On Women). I can understand why Schopenhauer had these feelings towards women (which had to do with his family). But there is also a long and old tradition of misogyny in Western philosophy.

I find it somewhat amusing that two of our greatest philosophers (Nietzsche and Schopenhauer) felt like that. Why? Well, our Northern culture always portrayed women differently than our friends from the south. Compare the role of women within the Greek (and Roman) mythology with the Germanic mythology. Even Hitler was not capable of destroying this with his mother cult. Many of the German test pilots during WWII were brave women. Ever heard of Melitta Schenk Gräfin von Stauffenberg? A jewish pilot that fought for Germany during WWII - tormented by the moral conflict inside her, that knew of the assassination plans of her brother-in-law, Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg, and her husband was confined in a concentration camp and when she desperately tried to fly to him, to find him, she was shot down by a U.S. fighter, crash landed her plane and died of the wound.

I cannot say that I respect all women. I don't. But I also do not respect all men. Some women have achieved the greatest things in history and were great leaders. Others were inventors or had a deep humanity. I pity you if you think that all women are whores.

Clara Immerwahr (how I love that woman - what a great person she was and what a cruel husband she had. Poor Clara.), Bertha Benz, Marie Curie, Hypatia, Zenobia, Boudica and so many more. 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:21 | 2365415 TideFighter
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Not bad. Vera Baker cost Barry a whole friggin island. 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:01 | 2365416 JW n FL
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                                                 Guest Post: SS Agents And Prostitutes- Another Case Of The Worst Rising To The Top


"The Peter Principle" is alive and well!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:21 | 2365417 BlackholeDivestment
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Let's get this right.

The SS boys are banging Whore and snorting Coke

The SEC boys are reading porn durring meltdown 

...and (crack smoking) Rosemary's Baby and Rahm Co are card carrying Chicargo Bath House buddies.

The U.S. Military is now ask and tell. 

and the list just goes on and on.  

What a country. LMAO



Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:26 | 2365430 Sudden Debt
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And those guys are "the best of the best".... Go figure what the rest is doing:)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:49 | 2365469 BlackholeDivestment
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...believe me, they are not bright, some of the the biggest dipshits. This case proves that in Spades. If Ron Paul ever got the vote boy would need to hire out and stay out of Dallas.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:54 | 2365483 Rahm
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...and (crack smoking) Rosemary's Baby and Rahm Co are card carrying Chicargo Bath House buddies.


How did that get out?.... I mean, there is no proof.... no proof I say!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:51 | 2365477 nmewn
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Its like Chicago or sumpin ;-)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:25 | 2365418 btb2010
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The dollar just doesn't go as far as it used to!

 Now an ounce of gold will still buy a good room, hooker, meal and top shelf whiskey with  something left over for the  tip and all this could have been avoided.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:22 | 2365420 jomama
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she looks like she could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:23 | 2365423 TideFighter
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or...suck start a Harley Davidson in 2nd gear. 

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:45 | 2365706 noob
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Funny Miss Piggy Fuck the Pain Away

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:23 | 2365421 bugs_
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i thought this was going to be about prostitutes rising to the top but it was about secret cervix agents

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:24 | 2365425 kill switch
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What a shame about us!!!! A merika

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:33 | 2365444 BlackholeDivestment
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Let's not forget the GSA party on people. LMAO 

What stays in Vegas? LOl. 

...and Corzine, vaporized.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:26 | 2365429 Winston Smith 2009
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"18 April 2012

Secret Service DoD Sexual Entrapment by CU/VZ

Odd that Cuba and/or Venezuela have not openly been accused of orchestrating the Secret Service/DOD Cartagena sexual honey pot -- an entrapment long employed by spy services against the US and its allies, as well as by the US and its allies. Neither CU nor VZ took part in the Cartagena conference where the US failed to get approval for continued Cuba sanctions considered by Latin Americans to be US-Monroe Doctrine abusive.

Senator Collins has raised the possibility of a trap but will likely be briefed into silence. Neither Democrats or Republicans want to open this top secret Pandora's Box (excuse the pun).

The Open Government Partnership conference in Brasilia which followed Cartagena also camouflaged with triple-crossing "openness" the legacy of Monroe Doctrine covert operations in Latin America to enforce hemispheric hegemony with stealth and bribery.

The chances are high that the sexual entrapment was a CU/VZ counterspy operation against the nest of spies operating in Cartagena, and that White House and Congressional investigations will perfectly cloak the dust-up as it has since President Monroe ordered the standard deception in 1823."

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:43 | 2365462 Careless Whisper
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I think we know the drill. Some foreign bad guy gets blamed for this scandal and the solution is to award a $1 Billion no-bid contract to a politically connected company to insure that our security detail is improved. Part two of the solution -- more female agents.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:41 | 2365588 Seasmoke
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Already happening CW....


Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, the senior Republican on the Homeland Security Committee, and Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., both said that more female Secret Service agents might help guard against such incidents from happening again.

"I can't help but wonder if there had been more women as part of that detail, if this ever would have happened," Collins said on ABC's "This Week."

Maloney told the same program that only 11 percent of the Secret Service's agents are women.

"I can't help but keeping asking this question: Where are the women? We probably need to diversify the service and have more minorities and more women," Maloney said

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:49 | 2365611 nmewn
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Dibs on bunking with agent Jennifer!!!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:51 | 2365791 wisefool
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I saw the same show this morning on OTA news programs. They had a guy who looked about mid 50s who was the former director, defending the service. Of course he was pulling a full .gov benefits & pension and now works for a 0% taxed consultancy firm that would gladly come in and fix the problem.

Yucky stuff. but the reporter actually did a decent job of explaining that these guys might have gotten promoted to supervisor on his watch. The former director could not recall a single termination for this behavior in the past. just (paid) "time off"

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:40 | 2365694 noob
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AC/DC - Dirty deeds done dirt cheap with lyrics

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 06:08 | 2366129 silverdragon
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Winston Smith 2009

Great call.

Why wouldn't the CU/VZ get up to mischief? They weren't invited to the party so had lots of free time.

Can't believe the SS are so incompetent.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:27 | 2365436 no life
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Like in high school, where it's always the Eddie Haskell-like slimy scumbag that ends up winning class president..  

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:30 | 2365440 ThisIsBob
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In ze SS ve all got laid

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:40 | 2365456 BlackholeDivestment
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...sounds like a title to a Mel Brooks song written for the Capitol Steps. LMAO.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:36 | 2365450 dark pools of soros
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it's a simple $100 in costa rica.. $30 will only get you a massage from an old lady

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:42 | 2365458 Zero Govt
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you can get a massage from an old lady in Thailand for about $3

i had the "soft" massage and despite me being about 4 times her bodyweight and a rugby player she beat the fuking crap out of me!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:27 | 2365667 knukles
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She takes out her teeth, fills her mouth with KY and starts massagging that big old stiff muscle.


She could look like a wookie for all I'd care with that set-up.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:42 | 2365702 nmewn
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Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:26 | 2365767 Hulk
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I don't think "ole Faithful" is actually classified as a muscle...

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:39 | 2365453 Zero Govt
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judging by the photo you can't blame them for getting stuck in to the local culture

if it was on the taxpayers bill (ie. free) then obviously only the death penalty will satisfy the now boiling angry publics lust for retribution at Govt largesse

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:44 | 2365463 spanish inquisition
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Wow...did we dodge a bullet. The Secret Service use to be a department of the Treasury.

Failure to pay a hooker while on offical business, could of been construed as a default of the US on its debt.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:46 | 2365464 nmewn
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Hooker: Baby, my cash money.

SS agent, index finger on earpeice: Sir we have a problem here.

Geithner: Ben!!!

Bernanke: Out of ink.

Hooker: Baby, my cash money, now!!!

SS agent: Sir?!?! We need...

Obama: Ummm, errr, what about Cash Advance? Where is Biden?

Biden: Zzzzz...snort, sniffle....zzzzz.

Columbian cop carrying an AK47: Gringo, geeve de lady her money, she's my seestor.

Hillary at nightclub scrounging around in her purse: Dammit, I swear you guys.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:02 | 2365494 JW n FL
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Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:14 | 2365528 nmewn
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lol...just tryin to get the full Monty in my head ;-)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:39 | 2365581 noob
Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:21 | 2365655 nmewn
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Well, Hillary was chugging brewskies the same night? at the local nightclub...maybe she was digging around in her purse for a barf bag stolen from a government plane instead of "pocket change" for the agents "in distress".

Anythings possible with the entitlement class,

Just ask the head of the GSA...oh yeah, my bad, he took the fifth, no not the bottle, the right ;-)

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:48 | 2365468 TrustWho
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Max, you must believe if one is not caught breaking the law then the law was never broken. If you think this was the SS's first sex party, I have a bridge to no where that you can buy.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:50 | 2365470 sadpanda
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I bet government employees don't take the lowest possible bid when buying hookers.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:50 | 2365472 Ricky Bobby
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The new praetorian guard!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:51 | 2365476 ISEEIT
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Fakes are gross.

Fake tits? Gross.

Fake Presidents? Grosser.

Fake country? Grossest.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:05 | 2365497 JW n FL
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I have some REAL ROPE!!


& this 556 variant of the 6.5 looks pretty good.. as compared to the 308 creedmore? it may lack some..

the 6.5 is what killed Kennedy.

that fact is not promoted!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:47 | 2365711 lasvegaspersona
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I like 6.5 284 for accuracy, good in my F class to 6oom

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:51 | 2365478 azzhatter
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rules don't apply to the political elite class nor the oligarchy. these are for the little people

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:23 | 2365550 noob
Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:58 | 2365488 carbonmutant
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I thought professional women always got paid first.

How did this Happen?

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:09 | 2365514 nmewn
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The talkative one (pictured) is an "escort" not a hooker.

She seems very adamant about the distinction ;-)

"The price alone, she said, indicates she is an escort, not a prostitute. “You have higher rank,” she said. “An escort is someone who a man can take out to dinner. She can dress nicely, wear nice makeup, speak and act like a lady. That’s me.”

When approached by a reporter for The New York Times, the woman was initially reluctant to speak about what had occurred. As she nervously told her story, a friend gave details that seemed to corroborate her account.

There was a language gap between the woman, 24, who declined to give her full name, and the American man who sat beside her at the bar and eventually invited her to his room. She agreed, stopped on the way to buy condoms but told him he would have to give her a gift. He asked how much. Not knowing he worked for Mr. Obama but figuring he was a well-heeled foreigner, she said, she told him $800."


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:35 | 2365570 carbonmutant
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He said, "I was drunk at the time we discussed price"...??


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:08 | 2365637 nmewn
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Our best & brightest.

Its bad enough to remember picking up a hooker while on assignment in a foriegn country (or anywhere for that matter) but to say you do not remember the terms of what you will be paying for services rendered stretches credibility to the breaking point.

I guess he thought cause he was "packin" she would just "roll over" and "take one" for the team as it were. I could go on all

Its how she makes her money. Who knows what petty egomaniacs in government jobs think.

Having said that, I know some good guys in law enforcement & military who are alphas...Type A's...who know when to keep their shit straight and when to cut loose.

These guys (from all appearances) are the C-Team for good reason.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:30 | 2365664 tom a taxpayer
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I thought she was describing the difference between a prostitute and a Secretary of State. The price alone indicates she is a Secretary of State, not a prostitute. A Secretary of State is "someone who a man can take out to dinner. She can dress nicely, wear nice makeup, speak and act like a lady.” "You have a higher rank."


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:58 | 2365489 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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$800 is nothing.  Go to NYC.  It is $800 for a few hours.  And this was after the SS had bought bottle after bottle at the club.  Bottles are hundreds of $$.  So $800 is nothing, especially for the SS, who likely each get paid six figures.

This story, more than anything, sounds like a set up.  Have any of the SS spoke up?  Nope.  I bet they knew about Barry's coke habits, or that Michelle is a lesbo, or something like that, and they got rid of 'em.

Or something even more sinister is going on....because now the SS may have been comprimised.  Just sayin', $800 is nothing.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:26 | 2365554 GeoffreyT
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Thanks for playin' but seriously, are you retarted? Secret Service douchebags start at GS10 - starting pay $43k plus locality allowances. With loadings for longer hours, the Praetorian "heroes" who are so fucking stupid that they would stand between a bullet and a politician... well, they'll be lucky to top $80k.

$80k is not enough to be "poppin' bottles up in the club" with any regularity, and nor is $100k (our household income significantly more than that AFTER tax - and we have no mortgage and no kids - yet it would be financial suicide to routinely splash out for that sort of shit).

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:44 | 2365598 nick howdy
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Come on Man, that's what the Gov. Travel Credit Card is for!  Just put the hooker on the plastic...The one with the flag on it...

GSA Audit:

Ok..Let's see.. Hotel, Rental Car, Hookers....Ok looks good to me!

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:24 | 2365662 Marc_W
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"are you retarted?"




"nor is $100k (our household income significantly more than that AFTER tax - and we have no mortgage and no kids"


Based on your spelling and your avatar I'm going to go ahead and assume the household income you speak of is your parents, with whom you live.  I've never seen anyone over the age of 21 misspell "retarded."

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:32 | 2365674 knukles
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It's impolite to make fun of retarted people.

Mon, 04/23/2012 - 01:04 | 2366015 RafterManFMJ
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You missed his pun.  Re*tarted. To tart again.  See, a tart can be another word for 'high-end whore' or, oddly enough, 'secretary of state.'  So he was simply asking if you frequented the same paid slab more than once.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:32 | 2365565 YC2
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I think the minimum monthly salary in Colombia is about $500

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 23:04 | 2365908 Freddie
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There is a story but we will never know what it really is.  Was the SS detail a bit too white?   This one guy names Chaney supposedly is from TX and his pickup had a Texas should secede from the union bumper sticker.  The moron posted crap on Facebook.  He is the one who said he wa s"checking out" Palin while he was guarding her.

They are all pigs feeding at the govt trough.


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 23:16 | 2365925 Marginal Call
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Too white?  No, too stupid.


He got away with all the other crap, and would still have a job if he'd paid his hooker.  Having a TX secede sticker should be terms enough for dismisall from the secret service, if it was a matter of O wanting a "blacker" SS he'd have it already.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 18:58 | 2365490 GMadScientist
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" keep their off-duty exploits..."


What self-respecting libertardian would care what an off-duty <anyone> does with their earned pay?


Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:34 | 2365677 Marc_W
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What you see here is just schadenfreude.  They are just happy to see other people suffer, especially people that work for the government.  There's also some anti-Obama sentiment mixed in.  And most of ZH isn't really libertarian at all, they're just wealthy wanna-be feudal lords with a nice dose of Christianity mixed in.  The Christianity part being why they are so quick to judge everyone and denounce them as moral degenerates.


But calling out the typical ZH reader and showing them they're as petty and dumb as everyone else isn't how you make friends around here.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 20:49 | 2365710 hamurobby
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Friends? Nmewn schooled me on Democrats about a year ago, a punch in the face of stupidity is the best way to find real friends among men.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 21:24 | 2365762 nmewn
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Was I the puncher or the punchee? ;-)

My stance has always been the same, the size & scope of government is too large, no matter who is in charge. It takes ever more from the private sector for its own use until there is no more.

One of the problems is baseline budgeting. With this accounting process government needs are guaranteed to grow every year no matter what the tax revenue is.

It is, guaranteed deficit spending in business down cyles. The protection of the masters, the ruling class. The citizens didn't pass this...they did.

You and I and all of us make do with what comes in as revenue...they should too. 

I'm gonna grill some steaks now. Not Kobi beef either made by a WH chef. They're ribeyes...and I asked no one to pay for them or grill them...I will.

Sun, 04/22/2012 - 19:00 | 2365492 insanelysane
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Just ask any "public servant", they work their hardest under the toughest conditions.  Now get to work lest the IRS kick down your door and take your possessions in order to protect you from bad people.

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