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Guest Post: The State of US Surveillance

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Submitted by Doug Hornig of Casey Research

The State of US Surveillance

Lovers of liberty have seemingly had a good bit to celebrate recently.

First, there was an unprecedented outpouring of negative public sentiment about the Congressional bills SOPA (House) and PIPA (Senate); they are legislation that would have thrown a large governmental monkey wrench into the relatively smooth-running cogs of the Internet. Millions of Americans signed online petitions against the bills after seeing websites' various protests. Google shrouded its search page in black; Wikipedia and Reddit went dark entirely (although Wikipedia could be accessed if one read the information available via clicking the sole link on its protest page); Facebook and Twitter urged users to contact their representatives; and many other core Internet businesses also raised their voices in opposition.

Such was the outpouring of dissent that even Washington, D.C. had to listen. The bills, which a week earlier had seem assured of swift passage, suddenly turned to poison. Supporters, forced to concede that the public really was pissed off this time, fled. Leadership in both houses tabled the legislation, pending further review and revision.

But before we get too self-congratulatory, however, it's wise to note that this victory dish is probably best enjoyed with a serving of caution. As Casey Extraordinary Technology editor Alex Daley summed up the situation for us here at Casey Research: "Be sure this will come back again, likely post-election, and snuck through as part of a bigger package. It arrests power from the judiciary, and the legislature likes nothing more than to thumb its nose at those ridiculous judges and all their due process this and Constitution that. It will eventually pass, just not like this." We can't now go to sleep on this one.

Second, the Supreme Court recently ruled 9-0 that police may not attach a GPS tracking device to a suspect's car without a search warrant. This is a landmark decision to be sure, but one that was carefully circumscribed by the justices. The placing of the device constituted a physical intrusion on the suspect, they wrote, and thus was impermissible. Left unruled upon was the larger question of tracking someone's movements when there was no physical violation, as would be the case when, say, police access signals from a GPS-enabled smartphone. Though it wasn't directly addressed, the concurring opinions strongly suggest that the justices might be more sharply divided on that issue.

A lapse of vigilance in these matters would be a mistake.

This is probably a good time to review how individual freedom fared over the past year vis à vis the technology of surveillance in general.

But before I do, I need to make a couple of things clear.

Where We Stand

We are not technophobes at Casey Research. We don't think that it would be a good thing to retreat to the woods and live out our days spearing game and cooking it over fires. Quite the contrary. We're technophiles who appreciate what tech has done to improve human living conditions, and we believe that it holds the key to the solution of many, if not all, of our present problems. We like to err on the side of hope.

In addition, we understand that society has a powerful interest in maintaining a certain level of order. It's intolerable that personal disputes should be settled by gun battles in the streets or that serious infringements on the rights of others – whether it be physical crimes such as robbery, rape, or murder, or non-physical ones like fraud – should be ignored. The most ardent libertarian would generally agree that a government ought to have the authority to prevent or punish the aggression of one individual upon another and to enforce contracts freely entered into. Thus tradeoffs with our basic right to do as we see fit must be made if man's worst impulses are to be deterred.

That said, the tricky part is deciding where to draw the line between reasonable and overzealous laws and enforcements. Surveillance technology is at the center of this debate. It's good and getting ever better. Even the most law-abiding of citizens have been subjected to steadily increasing levels of governmental – as well as private sector – watchfulness over their daily lives. That has occurred with no indication that the public is yet prepared to say, "Enough. This is where we draw that line in the sand."

The past year was no exception. I won't go into developments I've already written about, such as the growth of the TSA's VIPR operations, last summer's lemonade-stand busts, the ghastly E-Verify proposal , and the Fed's Social Listening Program. But the sad truth is that there are plenty more from which to choose. Space considerations permit a close examination of only a few.

It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's…

… a drone.

Remote-controlled drone aircraft, like the famed Predator, have become a staple of the nightly news. We see them launching missiles against terrorists, conducting spy missions over Pakistan, patrolling the borders looking for drug smugglers and alien infiltrators. Now we're going to have to get used to seeing them in the skies over, well, all of us.

Yes, those same Predator drones are being used increasingly by local law enforcement in the US.

That was unknown to most Americans before late last year, when the great North Dakota cattle-rustling incident hit the press. It seems that back in June, six neighbors' cows had the misfortune to wander onto a 3,000-acre farm in eastern North Dakota owned by the Brossart family, whose members allegedly belong to the Sovereign Citizen Movement, an anti-government group that the FBI considers extremist and violent.

When the sheriff attempted to reclaim the cows, the family refused to give them up, ordering him off its property at gunpoint. A 16-hour standoff ensued, with the sheriff requesting the usual reinforcements: state highway patrol, a regional SWAT team, a bomb squad, and deputy sheriffs from three other counties. But he also called nearby Grand Forks Air Force Base and asked for help from a $154 million MQ-9 Predator B drone, normally used to secure the Canadian border for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

Long story short, the drone silently surveilled the farm from two miles up, relaying information from its sophisticated sensors as to what the Brossarts were doing. When the surveillance showed that the family members had put their weapons down (yes, it can see that well at that distance), the authorities moved in, neutralizing the Brossarts and making the first known, drone-assisted arrests of US citizens.

Law enforcement was pleased, perhaps rightly so. No blood was spilled. Another Ruby Ridge was avoided. The cows – street value $6,000, but now rather a bit more costly – were recovered.

But that was just the beginning. Local North Dakota police say they have used the Grand Forks Predators to fly at least two dozen surveillance flights since June. The FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration have also used Predators for domestic investigations, officials admit. And Michael Kostelnik, a retired Air Force general who heads the office that supervises the drones, says that Predators are flown "in many areas around the country, not only for federal operators, but also for state and local law enforcement and emergency responders in times of crisis." [emphasis mine]

Who knew?

Apparently not Congress, for one. Spokespersons for Customs, which owns the drones, claim there is legal authorization for this usage because it was clearly indicated in the purchase request for the Predators that one purpose was "interior law enforcement support." But those four words sailed right by Congresswoman Jane Harman – Chair of the Homeland Security Subcommittee at the time the drone purchases were approved – who insists that "no one ever discussed using Predators to help local police." So this expanded civilian use of military surveillance hardware came about with no new law, no public discussion, not even a written regulation… just a few words buried in a budget request that no one in charge of approving it noticed.

There will be mission creep here, as there always is. Expect drones to gather data on any large political demonstration, for example – only, to be fully accurate, you won't be noticing them above you. They fly too high and are too silent for that.

Internet Surveillance

In addition to SOPA/PIPA, there is PCIP. SOPA/PIPA were about shutting down Internet sites that the federal government deems offensive. PCIP is about gathering information.

As is so often the case with "well-meaning" legislation, the Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act of 2011 (H.R. 1981, or PCIP) is allegedly aimed at something about which all agree. Nobody argues against shielding kids from pornographers.

Not that the problem addressed isn't real. The Internet has proven to be a fertile stalking ground for sexual predators. As a society, we have already agreed to a certain level of cyber-entrapment, allowing police to run online sting operations against those who are actively targeting kids. If that catches some innocent people in the net, so be it. The public majority is willing to accept such collateral damage so long as the real bad guys are found and put away.

And yes, H.R. 1981 also contains some non-controversial provisions. Stricter punishment for interstate commerce transactions that promote child porn? Sure. Bolstering laws to protect child witnesses? No problem.

But, as always, the details are alive with devils. PCIP is also about pre-crimes – i.e., it entails gathering evidence before any crime is committed… perhaps even before said crime is contemplated. The goal is that, in the event of an arrest, supporting online records can quickly and easily be subpoenaed.

In order to accomplish that, everyone must be considered a potential criminal. Everyone.

What PCIP will mandate is that Internet providers keep detailed records about each one of us, including: name, address, bank account numbers, credit card numbers, all Internet activity for the previous 12 months (something sure to be extended after the first successful busts), and any IP addresses assigned to you – without a search warrant, court order, or even the slightest suspicion of criminal activity.

In other words, the government is proposing to expand the ranks of de facto private-sector cops, the same way that banks are now forced to report any "suspicious financial activity." The legislation would enlist – nay, require – ISPs to compile detailed dossiers on every citizen, and to have them readily accessible for whatever "crime-fighting" or other purposes authorities want them. This thereby saves federal government officials the trouble and expense of doing it themselves. It's breathtaking. You almost have to admire the elegance of their solution to the universal 'Net surveillance problem that's vexed them for some time.

No wonder the Electronic Frontier Foundation has scornfully tabbed this the "Data Retention Bill," warning that the stored data "could become available to civil litigants in private lawsuits – whether it's the RIAA trying to identify downloaders, a company trying to uncover and retaliate against an anonymous critic, or a divorce lawyer looking for dirty laundry." And in a grotesque illustration of the law of unintended consequences, the EFF adds: "These databases would also be a new and valuable target for black hat hackers, be they criminals trying to steal identities or foreign governments trying to unmask anonymous dissidents."

H.R. 1981 sailed through the House Judiciary Committee in late July of last year but is yet to be voted on (although it was slated for "expedited consideration" in mid-December). Will it provoke the kind of public outcry directed against SOPA? Don't count on it. What politician in his or her right mind would dare oppose legislation that "protects kids from pornographers?"

Reverse Surveillance

Meaning: when we turn the cameras on the government.

In a sense, we are all now street journalists. Most famously, the name "Rodney King" would mean nothing to anyone today but for a bystander with a cell phone camera. As these devices have become all but ubiquitous, we ordinary citizens now have an unprecedented ability to record crimes in progress, regardless of what side of the law the perpetrators are on.

Or do we?

While police understandably have welcomed citizen recordings that help them with their cases, they are again understandably not so sanguine when they themselves are the potential lawbreakers. And they're hitting back. People filming unfolding events are routinely ordered away from the scene by the police, even if they happen to be standing on their own private property – and threatened with arrest if they don't put the camera away.

Considering the First Amendment to the Constitution, that's been a bluff… at least until recently.

Now authorities are asserting their right to charge video- or audiographers of police events with crimes ranging from obstruction of justice to eavesdropping to illegal wiretapping.

So far, to their credit, the courts have been mostly unsympathetic. In August, a jury acquitted a Chicago woman who used her cell phone to secretly record a conversation with police investigators about a sexual harassment complaint she was filing against the department. Also in August, the US Circuit Court of Appeals in Boston ruled in favor of the defendant in a case involving a complaint filed by a Boston man who filmed the scene of an October 2007 arrest on his cell phone, only to be arrested himself and charged with a violation of Massachusetts wiretapping laws.

In Illinois in September, a judge threw out five eavesdropping indictments – which carried maximum penalties of 15 years in prison on each count – against a man who had recorded conversations with local police officers who he claimed were harassing him on his own property. In a stinging rebuke to the prosecution, the judge wrote, "A statute intended to prevent unwarranted intrusions into a citizen's privacy cannot be used as a shield for public officials who cannot assert a comparable right of privacy in their public duties. Such action impedes the free flow of information concerning public officials and violates the First Amendment right to gather such information."

So far, so good. Still, these kinds of busts are on the rise nationwide. Even if they're all laughed out of court, the mere threat of arrest (and the potential concomitant bodily harm) is often enough to make most people think twice about the wisdom of challenging a police order.

And, truthfully, would you trust the current Supreme Court – a majority of which has consistently supported government rights over that of citizens – to rule correctly on this?

Target: Casey Research!

One of the most ominous developments for us personally crawled out from under its rock in November. Again without any public debate, DHS unleashed its National Operations Center's Media Monitoring Initiative. Yep, it's exactly what it sounds like: The NOC's Office of Operations Coordination and Planning is going to collect information from news anchors, journalists, reporters, or anyone who may use "traditional and/or social media in real time to keep their audience situationally aware and informed."

Thus Washington, D.C. unilaterally grants itself the right to monitor what you say. Doesn't matter if you're the New York Times, Brian Williams, a basement blogger, an online whistleblower, or known government critics like ourselves. They're gonna take note of your utterances and file them away for future use.

Journalists are not the only targets, by the way. Also included among those subject to this surveillance are government officials (domestic or not) who make public statements; private-sector employees who do the same; and "persons known to have been involved in major crimes of Homeland Security interest," however large that umbrella might be.

At Casey Research, we're not about to engage in self-censorship just because some bureaucrat somewhere has nothing better to do than watch what we're saying. They're welcome to it, and we'll save them the trouble of archiving it; most of it's preserved on our website, anyway.

The larger speculation is: what's the endgame here?

Data Storage Capacity

Back in 1997, I wrote an article entitled Here's Looking at You, which examined the ways in which big government was encroaching upon our private lives. The piece was published in February 1998 in a very popular national men's magazine. (In my defense, I hasten to add that these glossy periodicals were among the very few public outlets, before Casey Research was born, for journalists who wrote about such "fringe" topics.)

As I was writing this piece you are now reading, I couldn't help but take a look back fourteen years. It seems almost like a prehistoric era… before 9/11, the PATRIOT Act, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, drones, "free-speech zones" at political conventions, wall-penetrating radar, iPhones, and wholesale government monitoring of email and phone conversations, among a zillion other things. Heck, even the Internet was still more or less a novelty: I found that I had cautioned readers to be mindful of an insidious newfangled thing called "cookies."

The tech of today is light-years more advanced. But even back then, I was concerned. And I predicted where I saw the trend heading. Naturally enough, not all of my predictions came to pass – I was certain for instance that by now we'd have a national ID card – but unfortunately, most of them did.

The reason I bring this up here is not to tout myself as particularly prescient. It's to note something of actual importance. In 1998, I could still maintain that our saving grace was that data-storage capabilities were way insufficient for the total surveillance of hundreds of millions of Americans and probably would be for a long time to come.

How wrong I was.

It is already technologically feasible for governments to record nearly everything that is said or done within their borders – every phone conversation, electronic message, social media interaction, the movements of nearly every person and vehicle, and video from every street corner.

Before long, it'll also be financially feasible to archive it, according to a sobering report published last December by the Brookings Center for Technology Innovation.

The report concludes that: "Plummeting digital storage costs will soon make it possible for authoritarian regimes to not only monitor known dissidents, but to also store the complete set of digital data associated with everyone within their borders. These enormous databases of captured information will create what amounts to a surveillance time machine, enabling state security services to retroactively eavesdrop on people in the months and years before they were designated as surveillance targets. This will fundamentally change the dynamics of dissent, insurgency and revolution."

Emphasis mine. Consider the implications.

The key, according to the Brookings report: "Over the past three decades, [data] storage costs have declined by a factor of 10 approximately every 4 years, reducing the per-gigabyte cost from approximately $85,000 (in 2011 dollars) in mid-1984 to about five cents today." Using GPS, mobile phone and WiFi inputs, "identifying the location of each of one million people to [a 15-foot] accuracy at 5-minute intervals, 24 hours a day for a full year could easily be stored in 1,000 gigabytes, which would cost slightly over $50 at today's prices." Fourteen cents a day to archive the collective movements of any selected million of us.

Phone calls? "The audio for all of the telephone calls made by a single person over the course of one year could be stored using roughly 3.3 gigabytes. On a per capita basis, the cost to store all phone calls will fall from about 17 cents per person per year today to under 2 cents in 2015."

Video storage takes far more space, of course, and there are also major logistical problems involved in managing such a huge amount of data. But the point is made. Technological innovation will provide the tools. And as soon as government can do something, they invariably will do it.


These few examples, winnowed from hundreds of others I could cite, testify to a mushrooming new industry in the US, what some have called the cyber-industrial complex.

It's big business. How big we don't know, because much of it is shrouded in either government or corporate secrecy. The Washington Post's Dana Priest, twice a Pulitzer winner and one of the few true investigative journalists in America still working inside the mainstream media, published some groundbreaking work on the subject in the summer of 2010. If you haven't read it already, you should. The website is dynamic, with regular updates posted on the subject and reader input invited.

Several other recent probes also have opened the shadowy surveillance world to a little more light. You can check out some of the latest techniques and which companies are implementing them at The Surveillance Catalog published by the Wall Street Journal and The State of Surveillance: The Data, published by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.

Perhaps in your browsing you'll find some publicly traded companies that will attract your investment interest. For our part, at Casey Research we prefer to seek out companies that are engaged in changing our world for the better rather than the worse. Those are the ones you'll find in our portfolio.

In the end, we must acknowledge that technological advancement, especially at the rate we're experiencing it in the present era, is bound to spawn evil applications along with the good. But we're optimists here. We believe humanity is in a long-term uptrend, with technology setting torches on the path to a better life.

But that all depends on keeping people free. That's why we will continue to expose – and oppose – government efforts to stifle innovation, creativity, and personal liberty. I'm not holding my breath but perhaps eventually Washington, D.C. will get the point, and follow our lead.


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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:26 | 2127654 Yen Cross
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 As Eric Holder says, I'm taking the  ( 5th) !

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:35 | 2127671 Gully Foyle
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"In a sense, we are all now street journalists. Most famously, the name "Rodney King" would mean nothing to anyone today but for a bystander with a cell phone camera."

No cell phone camera footage was used in the King case. It was videotaped.

And then there is this

In a glowing review of the rising prevalence of high-tech big brother surveillance gadgets in police force use, the Associated Press reports that East Orange, New Jersey plans to cut crime by highlighting suspects with a red-beamed spotlight– before any crime is committed– a “pre-crime” deterrent to be mounted on nearby street lights or other fixtures.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:43 | 2127682 Conrad Murray
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This is fun too:

Crowdsourced chemical sensors. I bet the DEA would love it just as much as FBI.

It's already being produced for iPhones. Gizmodo did a piece a few days ago.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:58 | 2127717 Michael
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This is a great weapon the public has too.

Upload Videos to Facebook in Real Time Using ZionEyez Sunglasses

"Majority of social networking users use these sites to share different media specially videos with their friends and relatives. However, this involved a bit tedious exercise of recording the video manually through mobile or digital camera, then uploading the same through computers or smart phones. But now, you can upload the videos directly (as you record) to social networking sites as well as other video streaming sites like Qik, Live stream etc. ZionEyez has created this innovative sunglasses which can be used to record and upload videos directly to the social networking sites like Facebook in real time. This is done at click of a button and built in camera in ZionEyez sunglasses starts recording videos and transfers them via Bluetooth or WiFi. The whole operation is totally hands free and you don’t have to manually hold any thing and go through a pain of watching the scene being recorded through miniature screen. Rather, you can continue to enjoy the event, scene with your eyes and the same view as what your eyes see gets recorded and streamed."

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:10 | 2127746 The Monkey
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My personal opinion: they can fuck off (file that away).

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:42 | 2127829 Thomas
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Or, in other words, walk tall and free of fear. Don't let them shove you into the shadows. Orwell was right, but his timing was off by a mere 20 years.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:20 | 2127899 Caviar Emptor
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Schizophrenics all over the world will be vindicted: they were indeed being watched and listened to all along. 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:50 | 2127944 Oh regional Indian
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Good one CE. Trouble is, people try to film what the cops/government are doing openly (mostly) and get the billy club for it.

MEanwhile, government has been building data bases for decades now. THey've got a level of granularity available to them that is quite stunning.

All this new disturbign stuff is just a) Them now using the data (look at the no-fly list as an example) and b) New toys like Drones that can capture data AND carry out clean-up operations.

It's them Drones baby! Oh that and Facebook and Smartphones.

2/3rds of the chains are voluntary.



Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:41 | 2128023 Manthong
Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:43 | 2128297 Harlequin001
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This is a superb link. My young son did particularly well in a sports event at school a few weeks ago. He SMS'd us when we asked him how it went. "Raped it,' was the reply.

After reading this he now understands why we tell him to use proper English and not slang, and why some things just ain't funny no matter how 'cool' it might seem with his friends...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:46 | 2128471 4horse
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. . . but his timing was off by a mere 20 years.


if Orwell was right, just Whosenewspeak,doublethink Ideas he was right about might again make the timing identical, and selfsame, if one is to perhaps keep in mind that it's the SamePeoplespeaking the news colluding in the SamePlanningdoubletalk doing all the SameThinkinggenius behind the SelfSamePain:whose latest documention, neither to be translated nor published, will not see the light of day.

Their Day: whose reign was after all what's now, as then, again called Orwellian

Solzhenitsyn makes the point that the Cheka held life and death power over all of the USSR: “Each of them with the flick of a finger could destroy anyone of us!” Seventy percent of its leadership positions during the Red Terror were non-Russian  .  .  . hence, Slezkine’s comment on Jews as "Stalin’s willing executioners."  “In the 20’s the inevitable question hangs in the air that was posed many year later by Leonard Schapiro: why was it ‘highly likely that anyone unfortunate enough to fall into the hands of the Cheka would go before a Jewish interrogator or be shot by a Jew.’”

Solzhenitsyn is emphasizing the ethnic angle to mass murder in the USSR: Russians were disproportionately victims, and non-Russians, and particularly Jews, were disproportionately perpetrators  .  .  .  Describing a family of Hasidic Jews who became prominent in the Cheka, he notes, “They thirsted for revenge on everyone —  aristocrats, the wealthy, Russians, few were left out. This was their path to self realization.”


Self-Realization, of just whose now famous Heirarachy Of Needs, Solzhenitsyn cites a Jewish writer, Maslov:“The expression ‘Kike Power’ is often used in Russia and particularly in Ukraine and in the former pale of settlement not as a polemic, but as a completely objective definition of power, its content and its politics.” “Soviet power in the first place answers the wishes and interests of Jews and they are its ardent supporters and in the second place, power resides in Jewish hands.”


yes. just such Self-Realization, however again orwellian, where__ The result was a government-led campaign against anti-Semitism: “The battle to create an atmosphere of intolerance of anti-Semitism was to be taken up in educational programs, public reports, lectures, the press, radio and school textbooks and finally, authorities were ‘to apply the strictest disciplinary measures to those found guilty of anti-Semitic practices.’”

Re:educational programs, public reports, lectures, the press, radio and school textbooks and finally, Media, might we even seerepeatedly that whole speilberg inc called <------------Back To The Future


whose very viewing is the distraction from action that they themselves take, PNAC, while Timing yet another century already described with them behind its cataclysm. HOLODOR MassMurder




                      walk tall and free of fear. Don't let them shove you into the shadows
Or,in other words
                       Dzerzhinsky reported "Our enemies are now suppressed and in
                       the kingdom of the shadows."

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:01 | 2128093 palmereldritch
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Zioneyez ?...Seriously, is this from the Onion?...Pray tell what are its real-time censoring capabilities?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 08:44 | 2128256 blindfaith
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go back to sleep

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 05:40 | 2128167 jeff montanye
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now there's a pair of "$100 sunglasses" that seem worth the price.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:22 | 2128002 Hugh G Rection
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Any of you stupid Goy try and be smart and look into the truth behind our Mossad operation on 9/11, or our endgame, the Jew World Order; our Zionist machine slit your throats like chickens on the eve of yom kippur!


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 05:44 | 2128170 jeff montanye
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now wait a second.  who do you think you are anyhow?  if you are going to capitalize goy, jew world order and zionist, you should certainly capitalize yom kippur (!).  

what is this world coming to?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:19 | 2128343 CH1
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Have you noticed how these guys can take you completely away from a serious subject by playing anitisemite?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:25 | 2128722 Hugh G Rection
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Ever noticed Mossad can get caught blowing up a van on king st. in NY, morning of 9-11; get caught on 9-11 with a van full of explosives trying to blow up the GW bridge; and get caught setting up cameras across the Hudson and celebrating attacks.....and idiots like yourself pay no mind???

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:35 | 2128216 Element
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And then there is this


Ever get the feeling these fascist cunts won't be happy until they've incited the whole civil population to the point where they go Rwanda on anyone's ass who works for Homeland Sickurity, etc.?

How long until they are hitting you with microwaves or tasers or spray or inject you with a drug or poison?

Or just turn you into mince with a minigun 'turret', for farting in public.

Oh, you think they won't?

What if they did?

They do it in Bagdad already ... you've seen the footage ... right?

Look like a bunch of terrorists with an RPG? ... ok, we'll just kill you in advance then ... oh look, it was a camera tripod after all!

Like the Sampan boat scene in Apocalypse Now, "... it was just a fuckin puppy! ...".

That is the level of pure bastardry we're facing now.

Create the 'problem' ... provide the 'solution'.

Thank God they are there to protect us.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:55 | 2128233 Jendrzejczyk
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Your "up" button is stuck, "down" curiously works though, hmmmmmm.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:04 | 2128266 blindfaith
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yes, Yes, YES...thank God for THAT !!!!!  Good Christians here to deliver us from evil since God is busy, it seems, and they are just helping out a bit.

This site and all of you need to keep you eye and ears on Mr. Marco Rubio (R) Miami...and Kris Kobach secretary of state for Kansas.  Pole cats...far to nice of a description.  Taking one personal human right away one little step at a time.  Oh, and don't forget to look at the associations...may look all Republician but it ain't...just remember what Constitutional "scholar" has to sign a damn US bill into Federal Law.  Doing it for Christianity like good boys.

All of us are being forced into a corner that requires you agree or be tagged un CHRISTIAN.  But I ask, what would Jesus do, and God-o-mighty do they hate that answer !!!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:42 | 2128466 BoNeSxxx
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Q:  "How long until they are hitting you with microwaves or tasers or spray or inject you with a drug or poison?"

A:  Two of the four have already been answered for you.  When it comes to injecting and spraying, the answer is 'about 20 years ago'.

Seriously, there have been lawsuits filed in the UK for aerial spraying that started shortly after WW2 over the west coast involving chemicals and viral agents to 'test the efficacy of a potential attack'. There were a host of strange birth defects during that period which were only explained recently when the documents became declassified.  If they'd do it then (when we actually cared a little bit about each other), you can bet your ass they are doing it now.

I'll come back with a link or two...

EDIT: Link as promised...

As I said above, if they would do this back in days when men still nodded and smiled at each other on the street, what do you suppose they are secretly doing today when .gov openily prison rapes us?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 02:18 | 2129924 piceridu
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Can you imagine that little gizmo on about The Red Light District...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:47 | 2127694 wisefool
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EDIT: This in response to Conrads link to cell phones.

 identify low concentrations of airborne ammonia, chlorine gas and methane.

Gives the slang term "Butt Dialing" new meaning.

Hate to do the low humor stuff, but in this type of thread ....

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:45 | 2127693 Misean
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Yeah, well, I'm drinking one!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:07 | 2127735 moondog
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Eric Holder made the list, so did the president, and Newt Gingrich received a dishonorable mention.

What list you ask?

Santorum was on a special list back in 2006.

Vote Ron Paul!!!!!!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:33 | 2127809 Freddie
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Thank Democrats who voted this sh*t in 2008 with their Allah. F them.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 05:51 | 2128173 jeff montanye
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yes.  it is the muslim democrats who pose the unique security surveillance threat to u.s. citizens.  what insight.


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:32 | 2128580 4horse
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"A state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyranny."

Whose surveillance, yes, likewise domestic, is used to protect themselves while doing it



must read:

must see the light of day 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:50 | 2128399 roadhazard
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I blame Nixxon and his "enemy's list".


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:55 | 2129004 Rainman
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No.... J. Edgar Hoover deserves all the credit. He was the Founding Father of warrantless surveillance. Tricky Dick was just an admiring student of the Great One.

The old bastard had a file on everyone who popped onto his radar for half a century, most of the info gained through illegal bugs and black bag jobs. His famous ' Rabble-Rouser index ' would fill the Library of Congress. Every President from H. Hoover to Nixon feared him.   

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 06:23 | 2130019 Disenchanted
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Freddie said:

"Thank Democrats who voted this sh*t in 2008 with their Allah. F them."


How many Muslims has Obama surrounded himself with in his Administration Freddie?


this video from 2009 is a little dated, but will make the new White House Chief of Staff 2012 Jacob Lew


that 2-3% of the population is well represented in the circles of power in NEO-USA


"smarter and work harder than the rest of us" or tribal cronyism, favoritism, nepotism, and patronage at work?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:31 | 2127655 lolmao500
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Endgame... steal everything you've got. The police state is there to protect the elite against the backlash when people realize (if ever) what has happened.

That and down the line, reduce the population to 500 million worldwide.

Drones won't refuse orders to spray entire cities with bio-weapons.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:43 | 2127830 Milestones
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Dude, bodies decay in less than a week. Killing is not the problem; getting rid of 20,000,000 bodies is; before we get some manner of plague that terminites all people and possibly all life. And it will not just affect the poor either. Disease is an equal opportunity killer.     Milestones

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:26 | 2128009 BoNeSxxx
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Yup.  Exactly.

America jumped the shark right after 9/11 when the 'Patriot Act' just happened to appear out of nowhere and pass.

Now it's beyond fucktard.

Something's gotta snap soon,... let's hope it's banker necks and not our will to stop these pricks.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:49 | 2128031 palmereldritch
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All they had to do was dust the anthrax off that sucker and it passed through the Congress under the nose of the Supreme Court and no one dared sneeze...

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:28 | 2127656 kaiserhoff
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I want a big enough file to CHOKE THE MOFOS!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:24 | 2128276 blindfaith
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File ???  you want files big enough to choak on.  Well, this may be old news, but the US government has three centers in Texas for collecting data off the internet


each center is 10 miles by 10 miles square...that is 300 square miles of data storage and the height on the buildings is multistory but unknown because you can't get near them.

And that is just in Texas !!!

I remind all of you that your smart phone carries a data field of where and how long you stayed on every place you have been for the last year...that was from Bloomberg.

 All this may be quite innocent, but the amount of unsupervised power in so few hands can be dangreous if abused...that is the real issue and it always has been.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:31 | 2128288 Disenchanted
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Last year there was this in Utah:


Utah's NSA spy center will house data, not analysts | Deseret News

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:47 | 2128394 my puppy for prez
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Hey....where in TX?  I want to hop in my car and go take a look!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 14:57 | 2129008 smiler03
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I want to know where they are so I can find them on Google Earth. Even the Pentagon only occupies about 1/2 a square mile.

Or maybe they buried them underground or have an invisibility cloak?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:25 | 2129064 aerojet
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Who told you this?  10 miles by 10 miles square?  WTF?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:34 | 2129424 MayIMommaDogFac...
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All this may be quite innocent, but the amount of unsupervised power in so few hands can be dangreous if abused

He said "if."  That's funny.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 02:28 | 2129927 onearmedlove
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Tor is compromised by the US government. So go have fun on it but fon't get too cocky.
linky (warning:.pdf) [] 
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:30 | 2127663 midtowng
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The government and the media has spent the last 40 years making sure that everyone is scared of their neighbor and everyone they don't personally know (not to mention those scary muslims and immigrants). It's necessary to get these laws in place.

   The end game is that everyone knows this economy is going to fail, and people are going to freak out when it does. Thus they need these Orwellian things in place, otherwise the 1% might lose their control.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:34 | 2127669 Hedgetard55
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This post is WAY too paranoid. None of this shit can happen as long as President Obama is in office. He is a Democrat and a liberal, and believes in freedom of the press and of speech, he said so. He is well educated, a Harvard Law grad. Constitutional expert. He also promised to veto the NDAA bill unless they cleaned up suspicious language. Plus his role models are Lyndon Johnson, FDR, and Lincoln. So take this anti-government propaganda and shove it.


How did I do MDB? Hamy?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:37 | 2127679 Gully Foyle
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Bob Roberts: [singing] Some people will have / Some simply will not / But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain / Some people will work / Some never will / But they'll complain and complain and complain and complain and complain / Like this: / It's society's fault I don't have a job / It's society's fault I'm a slob / I'm a drunk, I don't have a brain / Give me a pamplet while I complain / Hey pal you're living in the land of the free No-one's gonna hand you opportunity

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:06 | 2128095 Tyranny is Love
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Leonard Cohen ...


"The Future"

Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order!
Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that's left
and stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I've seen the future, brother:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I'm the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder

Things are going to slide ...

There'll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and the white man dancing
You'll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin'

Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby:
it is murder

Things are going to slide ...

When they said REPENT REPENT ...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:08 | 2128097 caerus
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give me a leonard cohen afterworld... so i can sigh eternally

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:57 | 2128640 4horse
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have your cohen afterworld
       already in the making

of all the lousy little poets
you can sigh eternally over


"For a country to have a great writer is like having another government. That's why no regime has ever loved great writers, only minor ones.”

who can not now be seen. heard. or, read, perhaps to remain unheard of eternally

in their ever-afterbirth

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 06:18 | 2128183 jeff montanye
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not without its appeal, but i am less certain of the eternal rightness of "the little jew that wrote the bible" (and all other such texts based on the unseen) than l.c.  and what exactly does "give me stalin and st. paul, give me christ or give me hiroshima" actually mean?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 18:43 | 2129435 MayIMommaDogFac...
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His hook is "I've seen the future and it is murder"...Then he reflects on some things past, most of which have some murderous connotation. 

I'll venture a guess that L.C is attempting to say "same as it ever was..."

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:42 | 2127689 Yen Cross
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 Hedge Tard. You under estimate " Your Self" !

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:53 | 2127707 penisouraus erecti
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tick tock tick tock .....

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 05:43 | 2128165 The Alarmist
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I thought you might have forgotten the close-sarc tag but it seems they aren't being allowed through any more ... Hmmmmm!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:52 | 2128304 djsmps
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Obama Bless America

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:31 | 2128752 juangrande
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Having tera-bytes of info on the serfs.... $4 trillion

Having them scared shitless..... priceless!

What are you afraid of?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:39 | 2128790 juangrande
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A little algebraic exercise...

Fear = absence of Love

Love = Conquers all

absence of Fear = Conquers all

There will be a pop quiz on this soon! That is all.....

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:41 | 2127687 wisefool
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I for one welcome our DARPA drop ships. Tinned curry, Rice, biscuits, and dried fruit please. No FRNs unless you include matchbooks to cook the former yummies! They also can be configured to pad the impact of the tins incase you actualy hit one of us.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:04 | 2128044 Lower Class Elite
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I hear DHS/FEMA Camp Everlasting Liberty is AWESOME!  Can't wait to get my bunk assignment and meet my new roomies.  I hope we get to sing and do crafts... 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:44 | 2128391 my puppy for prez
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Do you think they will have food courts at the FEMA camps?  I hope so!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:43 | 2127690 fnord88
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Read recently that improvements in facial recognition technology means even old blurry cctv footage can now be used to track people. This means, in London especially, that TPTB can now put your face into a computer, and track your movements all the way back to 2000. Combined with the storage of phone data, web searches, facebook updates, "like clicks" etc, the government will soon know more about us than our partners. Given that almost everybody has searched or looked at something embarassing, what do you think people will do when threatened by .gov? "Give us what we want or we release every dodgy thing you have ever done online"


TOR (the onion router) people. Encrypt your online life. Get a proxy server. Use TrueCrypt. Spend 1 hour now, protect yourselves for the future.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:08 | 2127739 Conrad Murray
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Will be interesting when such enormous DBs of internet cache gold are open to the public and facial recognition gets bigger.

Imagine a drug or arms dealer using such technology to scan his new client's online life history. "I see you posted 6 years ago on FB, 'So stoked to finally be graduating police academy'".

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:40 | 2128021 hidingfromhelis
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Aw crap, what have I done?!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:22 | 2128061 palmereldritch
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Easiest thwart available: put a Post it on your webcam and assume you can be listened too..Google admits it..although it is just a computer program...

And these links are 6 years old...God know's what they're up to now...

Ooops, here's 2009

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:33 | 2128113 PrintPressPimpin
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years ago i dreamed of a way i could call my Gfs phone and activate the microphone without her knowing.  Clearly theptb are just as desperate to violate our privacy as i was hers back then.. god i hated that bia

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 04:20 | 2128133 palmereldritch
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Here's an interesting website for understanding crazy gfs

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:45 | 2127691 Zero Govt
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"Remote-controlled drone aircraft.. see them launching missiles against terrorists, conducting spy missions over Pakistan, patrolling the borders looking for drug smugglers and alien infiltrators." 

Get em over Washington and Wall Street

Those financial terrorists are literally killing (sucking the life out of) the US economy

Zap the Fuckers ...without trial (the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming)

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:48 | 2127698 krispkritter
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I think they intend it to be Main Street and they already have the ability to 'Zap the Fuckers' without trial. I'd continue this but the dogs are barking and there's a weird red light right back...

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:31 | 2128065 palmereldritch
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Wolfie's fine, honey, Wolfie's just fine. Where are you?

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:47 | 2127696 FrankDrakman
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Soon, the Boy and Girl Scouts will be subsumed under a new umbrella organisation: The Special Political Youth. Congratulations, now your son or daughter can be a S.P.Y.!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:41 | 2128075 palmereldritch
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You mean like since 2009...those kids (and their programmed brains) are like 18 now....


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:32 | 2128758 minosgal
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My kids used to come home during 4th-6th grade and routinely tell me the D.A.R.E. officers encouraged them to turn parents in for drugs, and that a parent smoking tobacco in the house was a form of child abuse.

This was several years ago. Somehow I doubt much has changed with the program.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 15:28 | 2129070 aerojet
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Where my kids go to school, the DARE program got de-funded.  Studies have shown it had little effect on whether kids tried drugs or not. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:49 | 2127700 ss123
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Time to just move to a cabin in the woods, by a good fishing pond, and say fuck it.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:08 | 2127737 HungrySeagull
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Right behind ya.

I'll get a kiln going and have charcoal on supply over the next hollar that way I earn my keep.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:40 | 2128116 PrintPressPimpin
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yes the retreat in the backwoods near a pond..  if it happens to be the back redwoods and your in CA then your pond might just be the pacific ocean... when selecting a site as a retreat for when things get really hungry having access to the coast is huge..  I know that during any low tide i can eat pretty dam good and make my own salt even if i had no fishing gear.. and trust me you find solace in having many hooks and lotsa line..everything else is just a bonus.. stock up on line and hooks peeps

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:07 | 2128323 RiverRoad
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Thoreau had it right all along.  Been downhill ever since.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:49 | 2127702 Bansters-in-my-...
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Daddy loves you......


Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:52 | 2127705 Ponzi Unit
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I take back everything I ever said. Oops, too late.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:53 | 2127706 trollin4sukrz
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Cage, stick "POKE" Fvkem ass hatz

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:54 | 2127709 Long-John-Silver
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Every nation in decline turns on it's citizens before it falls into collapse.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:53 | 2128026 hidingfromhelis
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Part of that is turning its citizens against each other.  Check.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:59 | 2128313 RiverRoad
RiverRoad's picture

The Fed/Banksters are getting very, very nervous.....

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 00:03 | 2129827 DanDaley
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"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within."

Will Durant

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 22:55 | 2127712 Van Halen
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Most transparent administration EVAH!!1!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:07 | 2127736 Strike Back
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The end game is freedom.  All else are desperate attempts to shore up the breaking dam.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:14 | 2127747 New World Chaos
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Hey pigs, I have a crimminal confession for you:


Run that through your secret decoder rings, roll it in a taxpayer dollar and smoke it!

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:13 | 2127753 blunderdog
blunderdog's picture

"If I die, my ghost is going to HAUNT you!"

"Then your ghost is going to see a lot of really gross stuff."

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:17 | 2127761 booboo
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"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth"

Mike Tyson

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:21 | 2128219 NuYawkFrankie
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Forget about a smack in the kisser - for the vast majority, Boo! will suffice.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:19 | 2128275 HungrySeagull
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Or until bad guy discovers a trained and legally armed Concealed Carrier drawing on him.


That thunder you hear is your freedom.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:55 | 2128406 apoorboy
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CCW = a list to disarm first. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:23 | 2127786 Firing Pin
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:45 | 2127833 BORT
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And the real question is why now.  I think they know that the shit they are putting out about the economy and taking care of people is going to come to an ignominious end.  At that point we will find out why that Army Brigade was brought back.  There is some bad stuff about to happen.  Happy Summer

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:01 | 2127844 Crassus
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And they're powering all this with a 1980 era patchwork electric grid.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:57 | 2128123 PrintPressPimpin
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excellent point... bridges falling out of the sky.. how often are you driving hit a fucking sinkhole in the middle of the road look to your left wating for your hub and wheel assembly to be passing you.. i gotta swerve all over to avoid em in the bay area.. and i hear that as soon as they finish that boondoggle known as the new bay bridge they will tear the old one down..this new span is such a scam...for half a bridge the inflation is so bad that its 7 billion fiatscos..but i mean whats that..chump change when your pimpin with a press bitchez .. so the entire bridge originally cost only 70 million..outrageous...but also why tear down the old span..why? put that thing into mothball... its not good tearing down usefull infastructure nor historic buildings but they are all to eager to destroy infastructure just like our currency.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:22 | 2128279 HungrySeagull
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I think they are aware a good quake will drop the bridge into the sea.


There is a pretty crappy bridge over in Memphis, there since the 50's. I have been told first hand it's cheaper to replace it AFTER the BIG ONE than to retrofit or build around it at the moment. Let the bitch drop. New ones are going to be built anyway.


Never mind the BIG bridges when thousands of tiny little shit bridges collapse forcing you to chop trees to limbs and logs as wide as your vehicle (You did carry a saw with you right?) to cross the hole, ww1 style. (And a winch too.)

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:38 | 2128378 my puppy for prez
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Must be the Memphis bridge which overlooks the pyramid will be an occult death sacrament, that's all.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:41 | 2128384 Crassus
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All true. Be optimistic. A freedom-loving gray squirrel or a mylar baloon from a child's birthday party is enough to send them back to 1850.

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:51 | 2127845 yogibear
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There is always ways around the technology used by the secret police.

This is not freedom, it's tyranny. 

Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:57 | 2127854 Conrad Murray
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Sat, 02/04/2012 - 23:59 | 2127858 Real Estate Geek
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It appears that the SOPA/PIPA distraction worked perfectly.  The protests were much ado about nothing.  SOPA/PIPA weren't needed to nail Kim Dotcom even though he was on the other side of the planet.

They played us like a fiddle, as it were, and got what they wanted:  passage of NDAA, which eviscerated The Bill of Rights.  

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:03 | 2127865 Crassus
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ACTA does the trick. SOPA and PIPA were a puppet show.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:36 | 2128376 my puppy for prez
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Thank you!  I can't believe the article left this no-brainer fact out!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 22:16 | 2129696 mkkby
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No mere law can circumvent the bill of rights.  It takes precedent.  Where are the lawyers and judges who will stand up to this farce and get it revoked?

People who crave power have and always will abuse that power.  With vigilance we can reign them in.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:02 | 2127863 Mike Cowan
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Drones have been orbiting my neighborhood for weeks. Neighborhood whiz-kid thinks he can bring it down by jamming it (Spaceballs). Rednecks are opting for 00 buckshot (Terminator).

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:39 | 2127930 seek
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Given what Iran did with our latest drone, the whiz-kid is right.

Don't forget the Taliban were watching drone downlinks in Astan using free software downloaded from the internet. You've got the military industrial complex planning on using technology that was actually pretty shitty, sold at prices to rip-off the government, turning around and counting on the same stuff to protect them down the road.

In the end I think their plans for world domination are going to fail miserably. It'll look like success initially and then a few folks wake up, have some success, and it goes downhill from there. There's a reason they're trying to restrict communications.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:40 | 2128074 trav7777
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an array of DVD lasers maybe...need some aim calibration

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:12 | 2127881 Excursionist
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Government listening to what is conveyed via public media?  Umm... remind me why is this reason to break out the tin foil hats?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:19 | 2127895 azzhatter
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And this my friends is why we need Ron Paul

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:33 | 2128369 my puppy for prez
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Thus, my new bumpersticker:  "Someday, when it's too late, you will realize that RON PAUL WAS RIGHT!"

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:31 | 2127915 I should be working
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We have met big brother and he is us.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:36 | 2127917 TrulyBelieving
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And what enemy is on our shore that require the implantation of such surveillance? Who is it that is so threatening to the Throne that they must be so carefully watched? Where is this enemy? Sir, that enemy is you!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:14 | 2127989 Calmyourself
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When this collapse, fourth turning, teotawaki happens, people are going to search hard for answers.  If those answers are found the ptb are in trouble.  We need to remind the ptb enforcers that they must live within our society, they must commute, shop, visit the Mother in law etc..  Their families will not want to live in a police state anymore than mine, right..  Or has the calculation been made that at most they will kill a million or so of us after a series of false flag wag the dog attacks and then the rest fall in line.  Well, will they fall in line?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:36 | 2127923 Little John
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  This won’t be voted away, nor will it be peacefully demonstrated away, neither will the perpetrators ever see the error of their ways.  There will have to be a fight.  They will never stop the expansion of their power until they are resisted with force - not moral force - but the kinetic kind.  The rodeo is near.  Got .308?

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:25 | 2128281 HungrySeagull
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.308 aint half bad at all. I like it.

Now slug is where it's at.

Even then You Tube is filling up with very special rifles that approach one inch in caliber to be fired by those who dare to *And get knocked out of the chair...


Those kinds of rounds that are larger than a soda can and still supersonic at 1000 yards will stop a semi dead.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:38 | 2127927 gnomon
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The old retired Stasi in former East Germany must be having orgasms watching this play out.

To some in these agencies this expansion of monitoring is no doubt just seen as a way to keep their iron rice bowl in a failing economy, but to others it means something more.  Those are the ones I worry about.

But they should worry about me and many others like me, if they ever cross those bright red lines that most of us see in the Bill of Rights.  And some future Rainbow Coalition Supreme Court will not make those bright red lines go away in our minds and our hearts.  


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:31 | 2128367 my puppy for prez
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No need for the Stasi to watch from across the pond...they have a ringside seat INSIDE the machine right here, thanks to Operation Paperclip!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 00:48 | 2127940 q99x2
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Fortunately the ones to most likely be eavesdropped on and have everything that they do recorded, for future concerns, are the judges and politicians because they are in the positions to be of the most use to evildoers within the elite class. 

Going farther a big problem with the NWO actually taking over the world is that politicians and business leaders and other elites likely have fewer guarantees of safety for themselves and their families once a global government/monetary system is in place.

I agree completely that we need to be alert as to what is taking place regarding our civil liberties and especially so because if the past actions of politicians are any indications of their future actions then someone has to keep them from destroying themselves and others. If it is within our legal capacity as citizens then we must see that the laws are enforced especially when TPTB fail in their social responsibilities.

Although waking up is hard to do, there is a lot to hope for and to be positive about.


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 12:55 | 2128564 slewie the pi-rat
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i'm reading down the string trying to see where ori's spam wld be if he just put in the boc at the bottom of the page, and it would be here

when i first read your comment, q99x2z, i thought it was just mr0bvious stuff, but as i thought about it, while playing into oblivion and bubbling out in the second round of my early-morning black=jack tournament, i began to have fringe thoughts...

it was this (paste): If it is within our legal capacity as citizens then we must see that the laws are enforced especially when TPTB fail in their social responsibilities.

apparently, when mixed w/ dHornig's ideas about the cops now having drones, and one or more psychoactive substances, such as coffee and vitaminZ, i had a break-though to:  cops always have the best drugs and toys; and the fireman probably have things even better b/c they get to drive firetrucks out for sammies between workouts at their private gyms, and are also sworn peace0fficers(!)

...and then along comes "act locally" and viola!  slewie's fringeThoughtTM of the morning:  what if, say in the mers and the robosigning scams, for, example, a local fireChief decided all these vacant houses presernted in increased fire danger for the community (or something) and told his guys to enforce the title and mortgage recording laws, locally.  go arrest mrChamber0'conmerce down at the bank, book him, and leave a short bill of particulars at the DA's so that his lawyer will know how to try and defend him.  or where?  L0L!!!  criminal fraud

or when these sworn peace officers get toys like drones and brand new ladder vehicles @ the publicTrough, does it also preclude them from doing one thing against the "will" of the political machines in the counties and cities, too?  don't look too close;  and don't look in that mirror, either!

if all our public local courts are clogged w/ cases trying to decide who owes what to whom for real property, how fuking hard is it to find the local asswipe(s) who either committed or aquiesced to this crime, and send his/their ass(es) to prison? 

is there not a local agent for much of this white-collar hooliganism?  maybe just see where the money trail gets picked up, again, after you lose it, locally, for a clue... or, look at who should have recorded the new note locally, and that "chain" and determine if willful failure to follow the law for the purpose of fraud is a crime where you live, or not...

but, but, ...the "judge" sez we don't have room in the "system" of we make people like her mother do hard time!   ...and so on...

and if people benefitted financially from the CRIMES, well maybe the DOJ isn't our best agent here for thePeople, but everybody else is busy playing with new joystcks, and watching tv while doing the first of the 2-a-days before taking the pumper out for lunch

waking up is not even an option for many, at this point

every crime a bankster or pol has committed has been in a local jurisdiction (w/ the possible exception of DC);  the wealth is being looted locally;  the judgments are being writ locally;  think globally/act locally

nancyfukingDrew, where are you? 

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:11 | 2127983 2discern
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Napolitano needs to vet her boss, the putative illegal ineligible barry soetero. The surveillance should be the CONgress, the DoJ, Wall Street, FED, and the White House corruption.

Any other targets (as in veterans, patriots, freedom lovers, and Constitutionalists)  actually aid the REAL America which is trying to survive the cleptocracy.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:51 | 2128298 booboo
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Congress needs a history lesson, they will be the first to be hauled off to the roadside ditch, the "parliment" is always the first victim under barry's version of the reset. They are signing their own death certificate and under "Cause" it will read BE (BARRY'S ENTERTAINMENT) BEcause, and not unlike the Austrian Jew everything he did was "perfectly legal".

Keep this in mind boys and girls, what congress hath not given, congress can not take away. They can only take away what you THINK they have given you. Better brush up on your Natural Rights so you can confidently tell them to go fuck a goat.

They hate us for our freedoms, remember, so they are "they"   

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:15 | 2127990 non_anon
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tonite, JD is a friend of mine!

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:35 | 2128018 akak
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The loss of privacy is the loss of freedom.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:48 | 2128500 ThisIsBob
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And every little piece that is stolen is seldom recovered.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 01:45 | 2128027 palmereldritch
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The larger speculation is: what's the endgame here?

Here's the fucking endgame

Markus Wolf former head of the East German Stasi helps establish the Department of Homeland Security

Alex Jones' Endgame

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:30 | 2128062 roygbiv
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oopd, posted in the wrong spot.  never mind

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:51 | 2128079 Bunga Bunga
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Bullish STX WDC

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 02:55 | 2128085 BlackholeDivestment
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...hmmm, enough petaflops to establish a new world order in the image of SkyNet. What time is it? Oh yeah, 2012. Lol. How ironic Watson. 

...and it is prophetic.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 03:15 | 2128105 bankonzhongguo
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A lot of ALL OF THIS FUCKING NONSENSE would be grossly curtailed if all these emerging "laws," administrative policies and mission creep procedures were first and foremost rolled out unto the congress, Executive and Judiciary, their immediate families, staffs, lobbyists and all federal employees, military and government contractors themselves as a pilot program of practical implementation.  (Was that one complete sentence?) 

Put congress on Obamacare.

I for one would like real-time geo-spatial data on the whereabouts of my MIA congressman (Now that's a website!)  and a log of his internet traffic and phone calls.  I would then like that data cross referenced with other suspects. 

Where is Jay Rockefeller 24/7 and who is he meeting with? 

Is it treason and sedition in America to legislate a Stalinist/Maoist wet-dream of 24/7 surveillance to dispose of Life, Liberty and Happiness? 

That is no longer a rhetorical question.

Just like the 'congressional insider trading' flap that is going nowhere, until the government insiders, hypocrites, "law" writers and the crony crooks that piss their pants in laughter with each passing illegitimate edict (we can't really call them "laws" anymore - laws are respected.) are afflicted with the increasingly complex, usurious and onerous existence they shit down the throats of (previously) working Amerikans nothing will get better in this Republic.  Is it a Republic?  Was it ever?

"They" say you can have no expectation of privacy in public - hence all the cameras and the emerging data collection.  Yet, if you went to a public park with your child, don't you have an expectation to not be stared and stalked by a gang-banger, pedophile, Jesus-freak or mentally ill homeless. 

If the TPTB want these laws so bad, then they can live by them first.

And to the 80 IQ cubicle jockey that is preening over some overnight report spat out by a Google algorithm searching for terrorists on the internets ...

WAKE UP!  You're part of the problem dummy.

'Just following orders.'

That's what they all said at Nuremberg.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 04:53 | 2128145 resurger
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By SImon Black, i got this in my mailbox!

If you're like almost every single Internet user on the planet, you probably use Google for something. Maybe Gmail, maybe Google search, maybe Google Docs, maybe Google Voice... or maybe all of the above.

Google recently began circulating a new privacy policy that will take place effective March 1, 2012.  With so many services ranging from a new social network to an online office platform, Google has consolidated all of its privacy policies into one. And it's a good reminder of what's at stake.

Anytime you perform a Google search, for example, it's logged. Your computer's IP address and cookie (unique identifiers that can essentially pinpoint you and your location) are also included, so your computer's entire search history is archived.

When you receive an email through Gmail, or a voicemail on the Google Voice service, it's archived on their servers. Even if you delete the messages, there's still a copy on Google's servers. The marginal cost of digital storage is so ridiculously cheap that they have little reason to delete this data.

Then, of course, there are all the government requests for user data. In the first half of 2011, the US government requested information on over 11,000 Google accounts. Google complied with a full 93% of those requests.  Your account might have been one of them, and you would never know.

It's not just Google either. Between Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and AOL, the four companies power the email accounts of over 1 billion people. And all of them are in bed with the US government.

In a way, they have to be. They're all US companies-- headquartered in the US and subject to US law. When the government comes looking for information, or some judge decrees that a user's emails be confiscated as evidence, they have to comply.

Big Brother compliance also goes far beyond email. Skype, the popular instant message and VOIP software that was once thought to be private and secure, is now owned by Microsoft... meaning that Skype chats are now also subject to courts and police agencies.

So what to do? First, and most importantly, be mindful about what you put in an email or online chat platform. The best rule of thumb is that sending an unsecure email is like shouting the contents across the street.

Further, consider using an offshore email provider that can securely host your account abroad. There are a number of them available, services like: (Norway) (Switzerland) (Switzerland)

If you have your own custom domain email address (for example,, you can keep your existing email address and simply change the mail servers. I've asked my IT staff to put together a short guide showing exactly how to do this, and I'll send it out to you soon.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:19 | 2128218 onebir
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Friend of mine runs this, which includes a free basic service:

(You'll get a warning because there's no HTTPS cert. Apparently they cost quite a bit of money; I think if he gets enough paid subscribers he'll be encouraged to shell out for one.)

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:13 | 2128330 RiverRoad
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Fuck Google and Facebook, et al:  They were always and only about selling the user out.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 05:04 | 2128150 Everybodys All ...
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Give me liberty or give me death.

History shows us the way.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 05:31 | 2128156 swani
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Well, this is the reason that Veritas Capital, private equity investors in companies like Dyncorp and Halliburton, are doing so well when the rest of the economy is not. 

How could they not be rolling in tax money, when they are the happy recipients of a large majority of the Homeland Security and Defence budgets? And if you look at their website and read their forums, they themselves will boast that they see all of the sexy growth coming from the domestic front with all of the increased surveillance, very expensive, albeit unsafe, x-rays for TSA, drone technology to police regular citizens, ext, ext. And let's not forget, the weirdest thing that Veritas' owned companies like Dyncorp are in control of: patents for exotic and deadly flu viruses.

Dyncorp, this private company, much like Blackwater, owns the patents with the NIH for deadly flu viruses. Isn't that great?

These are patents that were achieved through research that the tax payers paid for, but somehow Dyncorp gets paid for licensing the viruses to companies like Baxter. It's a bit scary. Especially, considering that in 2009, Baxter 'accidentally' sent 73 kilos of deadly live avian flu viruses mixed in with normal human flu vaccines to 18 distributors all over the world, almost starting a pandemic that could have killed millions had a veterinarian not alerted authorities when he injected ferrets with the 'vaccine' and they dropped dead right away.

Let's think for a minute, for this accident to happen, so many protocols had to be broken, there is just no possibility that this could have happened 'accidentally'. It would be like someone 'accidentally' walking out of a maximum security prison

Unfortunately, it's like MF Global with these people, they are politically connected and the people of the planet don't matter to the government, justice doesn't matter. And since it was exactly one year after Baxter had patented the avian flu vaccine, one just has to wonder, if these 'accidents' are motivated by greed or something else.   

Of course, the Main Stream Media, silent, or talking about how too much vitamin E can be 'dangerous'.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 11:16 | 2128442 my puppy for prez
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The bioweapons issue is the most undiscussed issue of our time!  Since the Patriot Act, there has been a PROLIFERATION of class 4 and 5 weapons labs in the US, which is in violation of the Bioweapons Treaty.  Janet Phelan has done some great investigative reporting on the topic.  She also attended the international treaty conference in December.  She has discovered that in Section 817 (if I remember the # correctly) of the Patriot Act, the US basically said that it reserves the right to continue bioweapons "R&D".  I can only imagine what they have planned for us in this regard....frightening!  

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 06:21 | 2128192 falak pema
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What happens to US surveillance when all those military drones return to US air space. There will be traffic jams above the heads of sheeple. MIC shills trying to make a living by uncovering pretended AL Qaeda happenings in remote villages...Self fulfilling death wish of US Hatchery. 

The Drones Are Coming Home Robert Johnson | 7 hours ago

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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 06:59 | 2128208 Element
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There was a time, and only a couple of years ago, when such drones as Reaper were still in development, when one of the core arguments of their attractiveness for acquisition was that such drones would drastically cut-down on operational budgets via lower maintenance and spares needs as they could be left in storage during 'peace-time', and almost never actually be flown, because almost all of the training flights could be simulated on computers.

Looks like that argument was a Trojan horse, eh?

Well duh, they wanted the data all along, not just mere drones so data it will be, the drones will fly - relentlessly.



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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:31 | 2128286 HungrySeagull
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They may need the drones to keep the new Moller Skycars and the new Aviation charts being built for them in our sky to keep them all in line.


Sun, 02/05/2012 - 10:19 | 2128344 my puppy for prez
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As you know, Eurasia is always at war with Eastasia.....

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:00 | 2128201 Element
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Going to need more MSM psychological operations to get US citizens to feel real good about their entitlement to a free "safety drone" coverage plan, at all times, continually looking out for their best interests and keeping their children safer than safe-safe. 

Think of it as a new form of Daycare for kiddies.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 07:52 | 2128232 HD
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What scares me, is this is no longer the purview of the paranoid or the anti-government militias. When you start having (partially government funded) PBS asking "Are We A Police State" and making a good case that we indeed are - you know we are going down the rabbit hole.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 08:29 | 2128238 Element
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Yeah, I hadn't see that, that is disturbing.

What if;

V-tv Series safe appearing draconian "Healing Centers" acclimatises us to the notion of Govt 'Fusion Centres'?

Images of spaceships looming over cities acclimatises to the idea of constant all-powerful overwatchers in the form of 'safety-drones'? (fluoro coloured of course)

Pre-crime, as a concept within a dumb Hollywood Sci-fi flick, pre-prepares us for the passive acceptance of the real thing being steadily insinuated into the pop-culture?

What if things like this get 'normalised' in our minds via jooywood and tribe TV first, before they're enacted as ... you know ... 'normal'?

Isn't that what State Propaganda via mass media tech has always sought to do?

Oh yes.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 08:06 | 2128235 Disenchanted
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Our 'representatives' don't seem to trust us...


Congress Calls for Accelerated Use of Drones in U.S.

February 3rd, 2012 by Steven Aftergood


A House-Senate conference report this week called on the Administration to accelerate the use of civilian unmanned aerial systems (UAS), or “drones,” in U.S. airspace.


The pending authorization bill for the Federal Aviation Administration directs the Secretary of Transporation to develop within nine months “a comprehensive plan to safely accelerate the integration of civil unmanned aircraft systems into the national airspace system.”


“The plan… shall provide for the safe integration of civil unmanned aircraft systems into the national airspace system as soon as practicable, but not later than September 30, 2015.”


continued at:

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 08:12 | 2128240 Element
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Well, have a listen to this psyop shit also:

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 09:03 | 2128265 Disenchanted
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"shit" is right. How did We the People let it get this far?

The domestic psyop front is mostly handled by what is known as TeeVee, right?


I'm not really sure I want to 'prep' for survival in a world such as this...but that's probably the objective of some faceless 'planner'

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 08:31 | 2128251 Sandmann
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Our 'representatives' don't seem to trust us...


Hardly surprising. They simply cannot understand why the suckers vote for them. Don't forget what W.C Fields said about Suckers,

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