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Guest Post: On Switzerland And The Mafia

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

A few weeks ago, western governments' war on productive people took an interesting twist when US immigration authorities detained two teenage children of an asset manager based here in Switzerland.

The kids were traveling through the United States by themselves to visit extended family, and they were interrogated for six hours about their father's business and whereabouts.

During the six-hour ordeal, the children were not allowed to contact family members who were waiting for them, nor any sort of attorney or advisor. You can just imagine grandma and grandpa waiting in the arrivals hall for six hours, petrified that something terrible had happened to the children.

This is incredible. It's not enough that Switzerland already agreed in April to end its once sacrosanct banking privacy and turn over bank records to the IRS. Uncle Sam will not rest until they hunt down every last banker and pump them for details about clients' assets.

Yet even mafia thugs know that wives and kids are off limits. Western authorities clearly have absolutely no moral compunction whatsoever in getting their 'fair share.'

Look, this is not some defense of tax evasion. If for no other reason that simply to avoid prison, people ought to pay the minimum amount... and not a penny more. But the fervor with which these bankrupt governments pursue suspects where there is even a -hint- of impropriety is extraordinary.

In most cases, the government just wants your money. They send a demand letter... or sometimes guys in suits... and order you to pay. Sure, you can try to dispute the claim, but they bury you in paperwork and charge you 20%++ while the clock is ticking.

In other instances when they want to send a message, cases are forwarded to the Justice Department and US Attorney's office.

Their preferred tactic is to send out a subpoena commanding you to show up in front of the Grand Jury within just a few days, demanding that you bring YEARS worth of emails, bank statements, receipts, deposit slips, tax returns, financial records, and anything else they think they may need to convict you.

It's a bizarre approach when you think about it-- they force you to provide them with evidence to use against you... and if you can't manage to produce ALL of the documents they require within the week's notice they give you, you can be held in contempt and thrown in jail without being formally charged with anything.

This 'guilty until proven innocent' approach is the same sort of special treatment reserved for suspected terrorists. The only difference is that you don't end up in Guantanamo.

Free societies do not treat people this way. Hell, most criminal networks don't even treat people this way. And while it may raise a few bucks in the short run, in the long run it's counterproductive. People adapt. They create underground, cash-based economies. They leave. Foreign investors stay away. It's not healthy.

For what it's worth, banking in Switzerland is no longer what it used to be. Aside from the lack of privacy now, many Swiss banks are not particularly well capitalized. This was shown, rather embarrassingly, when UBS had to be bailed out a few years ago.

If you're looking for a well-capitalized tier-1 banking destination in Europe, Andorra is a much better option. And, surprisingly, banks in Kosovo are also among the best capitalized on the continent. More on that in a future lett


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Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:26 | 2749992 agent default
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You hide assets from the government, you better watch your kneecaps. Just so we know were we stand here.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:29 | 2750003 Winston Churchill
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If you don't hide assets from the Govt. you had better watch your


Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:30 | 2750006 agent default
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Money to this sort of government IS money to the Mafia.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:33 | 2750017 Colombian Gringo
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Do you know why the US government hates and persecutes the Mafia? 


Because the banksters hate competition.


Fuck you Corzine!

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:44 | 2750046 CPL
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They just publically went after children.  Kids...they gave the third degree to kids whom don't give two shits about what their parents do...mean while I sense the power of a million mothers are about to turn their cannons on anything moving in the US region.


Oh well, three more months and not even governments will be able to afford the planes they have.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:36 | 2750189 hannah
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why would anyone keep money in a bank in kosovo...? they did have great concentration camps....really, i think ZH is some kind of baltic front something or other...?!?!? ZH has such cutting edge stories one day and the next they have this kind of shite?......really bizarre

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:14 | 2750302 CPL
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Serbia...Bosnia.  Two sides to the same shitty slip of toilet paper.  Somali is more refined and organized as an Anarchy state. 

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 20:42 | 2751171 jumbo maverick
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My friend in case you have not noticed the world is really bizzare.One minute you could be walking down the street checking out a woman in nice tight shorts. The next somebody is tossing a couch off an eight story building for no reason and it almost lands on you.
And fuck John corizine.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:59 | 2750247 zuuma
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Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:56 | 2750239 Sudden Debt
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the Mob has a rule about woman and children. it's ano go zone to tough any. they actually still have a code you know. in a way you can still respect them unlike the government...

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:15 | 2750531 CompassionateFascist
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Every Jew-controlled state naturally evolves toward a Gulag Regime. 

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:31 | 2750012 Manthong
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 Looks like the pot is boiling already..

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:45 | 2750051 CPL
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HOly crap.


Silver and gold are going to go apeshit.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:39 | 2750408 smiler03
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 "'Emergency' Tax on the Rich Roils Britain"

It isn't going to happen. It's one man's idea and it just will not happen. 

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:28 | 2750581 monad
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This is the mafia. If you're connected, you'll be fine.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:59 | 2750244 Sudden Debt
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here in Belgium they want to do something even better!!

Raise VAT from 21% to 25% and if you can prove that you make a modest living you can "try" to reclaim some of that money!


Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:59 | 2750657 MillionDollarBoner_
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Belgium is famous for two things

Chocolate and paedophilia

And they only invented chocolate to get to the kiddies ;O)

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 23:57 | 2751504 StychoKiller
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Ya forgot sparkling barley wine...

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 18:05 | 2750824 yourfather
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Hi I'm sorry to do this to your comment but being on my blackberry it won't let me post this anywhere else

sovereign man, who has not looked at tier 1 capital ratios in switzerland lately, is talking so much shit. Everything that he posts should be deleted.

So did he tell you about how he sent a video resume to ubs which was basically the laughing stock of the company.

You would be hard pressed to find a better capitalized banking system. When the shit hit the fan ubs was caught with its pants down. The confederation govt bought non performing assets from ubs which it now refuses to sell back because they are making money off it. Now whether you believe tier 1 ratios or not, andorra, a tiny alpine country with no world banks with a decent global footprint is not going to be able to help you.

Switzerland is no longer about banking secrecy (tax evasion) but about stability. If you want anyone to blame for this, blame the american now in jail for blowing the whistle. Most of the swiss people want nothing to do with america.

Sovereignman is common wisdom packaged to make it sound cool and hip. The reality is it is just some dreaming neckbeard thinking of cool stories.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:18 | 2750145 hannah
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this is a perfect example of what is coming...the rich dont have anywhere to hide this time and it is just hilarious how they havent figured it out. they think they have rights in the usa...hahhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!

i really have zero sympathy for this idiot or his kids. chances are probably 80% that this guy was scum and did nothing but create syn financial deriv to crash the financial system.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:30 | 2750586 jayman21
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Stated like a true mouthpiece of the MSM.  You deserve -100 for this crap.  Free people are innocent until proven guilty. You either believe in our system or not!!!


So...maybe you can figure out what is wrong with "chances are probably 80% that this guy was scum and did nothing but create syn financial deriv to crash the financial system."




Thu, 08/30/2012 - 17:48 | 2750785 hannah
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Thu, 08/30/2012 - 19:21 | 2750990 BigInJapan
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Liberal idiot psy-ops propaganda trolls are growing more and more sphisticated as time goes on.

A touch of humanity, a little "feelin's for the chilln's" next time, and your boss might just give you the pat on the back you so desperately need. Oh yeah, and a shiny new iPod/phone/pad.

Get a fucking job.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 03:29 | 2751701 oak111
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hannah, I have no sympathy at all for bankers that cheat or exploit stupid laws (and hey, I am Swiss).

But what you are missing here is: this is a system that is out of control, not even hesitating to act in this way against children. Guilty until proven innocent.

Are you not afraid that this could once turn against you or your family?



Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:27 | 2749996 vast-dom
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Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:56 | 2750083 Beam Me Up Scotty
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We wouldn't have these problems if these pricks didn't think they needed to spend 1.5 trillion more than they take in tax receipts every year.  And they wish they could spend 3 or 4 or 5 trillion more than they take in tax receipts.  And if you raised taxes by 1.5 trillion, to balance the budget, they would just spend another 1.5 trillion and we would still have a trillion and a half dollar budget deficit.


Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:00 | 2750251 viahj
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Biden was correct, "We have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt".  that is the beast of debt based fiat ponzi systems.  you just need to understand who the "we" was he was talking about...certainly not you or me.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:59 | 2750480 Things that go bump
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And they are spending it on better survelliance and shake down.  

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:57 | 2750240 q99x2
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Fuck Bernanke!

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:00 | 2750252 Sudden Debt
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sssttttt..... they're listening....

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:28 | 2749999 FranSix
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Children? Non-performing unhypothecated assets that don't want to work for a living.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:48 | 2750222 TruthHunter
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"Children? Non-performing unhypothecated assets that don't want to work for a living."

They probably sang like Canaries too.

They were probably willing to bite the hand that held the silver spoon.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:02 | 2750257 Sudden Debt
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untill they are 6 years old!
Then you can start you own shoefactory!

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:30 | 2750008 1C3-N1N3
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They got him in mid-sentence there at the end.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:30 | 2750009 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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"Free societies do not treat people this way"

Simon Black needs to change his name to Captain Obvious.  If I pay his fee, will he tell me of a place where I can join a free society or will he just give me some options to change the flavor of my enslavement?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:34 | 2750026 Freddie
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Free societies do not treat people this way

Islamic African countries treat people this way.   The asset managers kids were white so they have no rights.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 19:06 | 2750048 JuliaS
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"Rights are not rights if someone can take them away... all we've ever had in this country is a Bill Of Temporary Privileges."

- George Carlin

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:53 | 2750065 pazmaker
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That is why Simon Black is so full of shit.. there is no free society on this planet.


Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:47 | 2750215 cxl9
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I am an American living in Mexco and I can tell you that I feel much more free here than in the United States, with all its laws, regulations, and petty government harassment. It all comes down to money: the United States government has too much money with which to harass and abuse the citizens; the Mexican government can't afford the same level of daily interference in the lives of its people. The wealth of a government and its oppressiveness are inextricably linked. That's the reason that people who value freedom should cheer for rich tax-evaders rather than condemn them: less money for the government to harass its citizens.

Of course, I expect little or almost nothing in the way of "government services". In Mexico the roads are more-or-less paved, and evidently the fire departmnet will show up if you call them. Other than that, just leave me alone. When some pinche vato stole my señorita's car, it cost me $40 to have the police go find it and bring it back to me. That arrangement is decidedly preferable to the procedure in the United States: phone in a report to the police which will promptly be filed away and forgotten; car lost forever.

With freedom comes risk and personal responsibility. The right mix depends on the person. Maybe Americans want much less freedom than they claim to.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:08 | 2750281 Overfed
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How much does it cost to get the police to look the other way on your gun collection?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:30 | 2750375 Skip
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US Federal, local, and state Law Enforcement is about as corrupt as in Brazil but not quite as corrupt as Mexico...yet. What is interesting is that in a poll taken in March in Mexico over 80% of Mexicans want guns banned for self-defense. Democratic strategist Celinda Lake, who has spent decades polling on gun control, said 76% of Latinos who reside in the US want Mexican style gun-control laws. BYE BYE Second Amendment.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 17:07 | 2750676 Moe Howard
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They want the white people disarmed. They have no intention of disarming themselves.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:46 | 2750015 ebworthen
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S.S. Officer:

"You children vill shouw uz your paperzz, and of your fazher's agtivitees!"

Or, the evil "candy" man from Chitty-Chitty Bang Bang:

"Chiiillllldrennn, I have zome caandy vor you!"

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:32 | 2750016 dolph9
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The Fed and the Federal Government of the United States want to end up owning every single thing that creepeth on this planet.

The pushback will come from other countries when they realize it isn't worth dealing with Uncle Sam anymore.

The American people?  They're bought off and too afraid of prison to do anything.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:33 | 2750020 Dr. Engali
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WTF Andorra now? I thought it was Chile, or, Brazil, or Slovania....I'm confused.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:45 | 2750049 ThirdWorldDude
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Right on Doc! And Kosovo too? That's even less of a country than Georgia... 

The best capitalized banks there trade with amphetamine & human organs!

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:05 | 2750115 Zwelgje
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Kosovo is occupied. As soon as the yanks leave the Serbs move back in. What advice.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:29 | 2750362 ImnotPOTUS
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I am pretty sure they are going to wait until Putin takes them off of his leash. I think Putin wants to keep the status quo until after he gets to show off at the Sochi Olympics.

The reason Kosovo has capital is because KFOR handed out a lot of cash to employ locals in brothels and latrine digging. But in Kosova you have nothing to spend it on so it just sits in the bank, hoping to get used before the leash is let loose.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:34 | 2750025 dead hobo
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How do you know those kids weren't just a couple of smart ass teenoids who lied about what happened when they fucked with the wrong person and assumed daddy's name would scare the bureaucratic pants off of the interrogators? If this happens a lot more, you might be on to something. My guess at this time is that a couple of spoiled degenerate kids scammed you good.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:52 | 2750062 notadouche
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For a dead hobo you are one giant douche.  It wouldn't matter if they were smart ass teens or not the "authority" has no right to illegally detain them in search of information about their father or any other family member.  Turn a blind eye to Gestapo tactics against smart ass teen's one day then the next thing you know they are using those same tactics on live hobo's.  Then you let that go and... well we've seen how that ends before and I don't think that's the slope I want to be sliding down.  

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:58 | 2750094 dead hobo
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Cry me a river. BTW, I've been called worse things for better reasons. Look, some kids are monsters and maybe they pulled some shit that should have gotten them arrested. Instead, they just got fucked with a little. Then they lied about what happened to sic daddy and naive blog commentators on them. Show m a track records against these cops and I'll relent. Until then I'm just going to assume some crap-sack teenoids got a little well deserved ass kicking.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:51 | 2750226 donsluck
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You are next, idiot.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:53 | 2750230 toady
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No way they got their asses kicked.

They probably just sat there drinking free Pepsi while they called the cops assholes.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:03 | 2750262 Almost Solvent
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Kids today are fucking monsters, seen that bus monitor video from Rochester, NY on youtube?


And the richer they (or their parents are) the bigger fucking monsters they are.


Let's get some names and dates to this story first.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:45 | 2750626 Confused
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The thing you are not taking into account....these kids are Swiss. Not American. Big difference if you've ever been there. Culturaly less likely to act up in public.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:54 | 2750235 TruthHunter
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"Look, some kids are monsters"

And a whole bunch of them grew up and decided to control the US Government.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:05 | 2750268 notadouche
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To be clear I was only "calling names" in jest.  Seriously,  this story has nothing to do with kids being monsters.  Your just making some scenario up that doesn't exist.   Even if they were doing everything you imagine  "the authority" doesn't have a right to hold a teen without parents or representation which is what the story claims.  Commenting on anything else doesn't even make sense.  Maybe you saw more of the story somewhere else, I only read this article and I didn't see anywhere that the kids were held for being monsters, only for information on the father which is just wrong no matter how you slice it.   BTW what happened to the Swiss being neutral.  I mean you couldn't get them to take a stance on the Nazi's but for roid teens they are ready to go the distance.  WTF?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:29 | 2750347 dead hobo
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Dude, why do you think anything the teenoids say is true? Just because they said it? Just because it appeared on the internet? Again, they probably fucked with the wrong people, should have been arrested but, instead, were just given a little shit. Then they lied and claimed to be victims of an oppressive government, which you and their idiot parents were dumb enough to believe. That's only something a fucking douch would do.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:02 | 2750494 notadouche
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I'm only going by the written record which is the article above.  I don't know, rule of law, innocent until proven guilty,  sins of the father not visted on the son or some shit like that.  There are so many reasons why I would take the stance I do that are rooted in what are supposed to be the principle's of what this nation and democracies are based on.  When governments start cutting corners on the rule of law, which we have seen many times, it's the people that are in big trouble.  I don't believe all kids are innocent, nor do I believe they are all scumbags as you appear to espouse.  Doesn't matter, the rule of law is the rule of law no matter which kid you have.  In fact that goes for all people not just kids.  I don't know these kids so or this family so I can't know if these kids are good, bad or indifferent.  If they fucked with the wrong people then it's not going to be a problem dealing with them properly.  Fucking the interrogation up would only lead to shit being inadmissable and then you got nothing and guilty people walk away.  It's really not that hard to follow.  If they are guilty of whatever it is you think they are and it's proven then by all means lets cane them in the public square, but at least make sure the one you cane is actually guilty before you give them a caning.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:11 | 2750523 dead hobo
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Like I said below, I'm really a French fucking model. Bonjour. How about a loan?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:31 | 2750592 notadouche
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Dude my pockets are empty which is why I would be capable to spend so much time solving the worlds problems!

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:42 | 2750416 WAMO556
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Well here is a BETTER person calling YOU something. I read your pathetic post the best summation could be: Apathy. Let those kids be your kids and then let us see where your retarded response would be. Don't worry, while the state is indoctrinating your children about why they are better off without you, the rest of us humans will fight for what is right.

You are worthless and weak.

Oh yeah, I junked you for being obtuse.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:03 | 2750502 notadouche
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How do you know your better than me?  Just F'n with you.  thought it was funny.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:07 | 2750507 dead hobo
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No, I'm not worthless and weak. I'm really a French model. Plus I'm rich, famous, and own many yachts. I'm also really a teenager than was fucked over by the Man and I want to stick it to them good. Thus I am applying reverse psychology to make you think I'm a douch when really I'm making you hate me and love the teenoids who are surely innocents.Bonjour.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 17:09 | 2750678 Moe Howard
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Are you some dead hobo ghost of a million dollar fuckwad?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:37 | 2750031 Freddie
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Is this picture in the story - a picture of the kids in a dog cage?   Hope & Change police state.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:36 | 2750188 Winston Churchill
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Could be worse.
Cage could be on the roof of Airforce One.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:22 | 2750336 LMAOLORI
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:37 | 2750034 reader2010
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:50 | 2750055 Joe Davola
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(Spoken in Bogie's voice)


You're lucky the bar's open for you.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:53 | 2750067 Piranhanoia
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Apart from questioning children, which sounds like a TSA or homeland insecurity issue, and certainly is inhuman,  the rest of the article sounds like whining because you don't get the same perks as the mob.

  You aren't a regular person Simon. You are a rich globetrotter that rubs dog doo snow cones in the little people's eyes every time you come to town.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:55 | 2750078 Aquaman
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Boohoo poor children of rich bastard moneychanger. They probably didnt even get a decent frappacino. If thats what has to happen to catch the filthy white collar above the law criminals, I say GOOD. Still no one has gone to jail for the fi ancial crisis, MF global, JPM. I could care less about their spoiled children.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:18 | 2750119 dead hobo
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You fucking monster. These are our children. Kids are pure and anything associated with controlling them is evil from the bowels of hell.. Teenagers are incapable of lying about matters such as this.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:53 | 2750231 donsluck
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Once again, you are next, idiot.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:33 | 2750387 WAMO556
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You get junked for special retardation...and being a window licker. Just saying!

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:10 | 2750127 tuttisaluti
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To all women: stay away from this guy.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:35 | 2750391 dead hobo
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Which one? The massively handsome one or the baghead fellow?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:38 | 2750407 zerozulu
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These Children probably have no clue what their parents are doing.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:52 | 2750644 Sparkey
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Wrere these Children traveling on a commercial airliner? if so, Big mistake right there, people of `Worth` travel in their own (large) planes, minions of what ever type, respect and are polite to, people of demonstrated `Worth`, Money, real Money, that is the "Worth" we all respect!

My Pastor says God has a special love for the Rich, that is why he gives them his blessing, and lets them wander in the garden tasting and discarding fruit as it pleases them!

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:57 | 2750090 rwe2late
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 Simon Black

recommends investing in Kosovo?!

Because he approves the way "Mafia thugs"  treat people?

Apparently his scruples are as selective as his outrage.

Nor evidently are his scruples set so high as to be a barrier to his moneymaking.


Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:10 | 2750125 Perpetual Burn
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"Yet even mafia thugs know that wives and kids are off limits."



Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:13 | 2750134 JohnFrodo
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 You want to be invisible to the video tracking net, try an infared hat, brilliant.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:24 | 2750158 hannah
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you arent just over exposes your face on the camera.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:38 | 2750195 JohnFrodo
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You mean all that suff I did was recorded?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:13 | 2750136 goldenrod
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How do we know this incident happened?  Do we just take his word for it? 



Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:25 | 2750155 ezcearhoc
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Hahahah from the original post:

war on productive people : ... an asset manager

Wait who are the "productive people" involved in this? Do his children have productive jobs? Being a asset manager does not make him a bad person, but it doesn't mean that he produces anything.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:55 | 2750236 donsluck
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Interesting perspective, the insinuation being that lack of productivity is grounds for imprisonment and abuse.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:13 | 2750296 Overfed
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Being productive certainly is grounds for being squeezed for $$, and imprisoned and abused if you don't cough it up.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:16 | 2750310 LMAOLORI
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That's a Commie perspective used by Socialist's to trick people into believing anyone who has more money then they do is evil and should be punished.  Funny thing about that perspective in reality in Totalitarian society's the elite's are the only ones sharing the gains.

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 09:13 | 2757438 ezcearhoc
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No that's why I said "doesn't make him a bad person." Nobody deserves to get mistreated the way these people were. I'm taking issue with what's considered "productive." You're right that the point of the article is the draw attention to abuse. What I'm talking about is a side issue I guess.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:35 | 2750187 LMAOLORI
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"In other instances when they want to send a message, cases are forwarded to the Justice Department and US Attorney's office."

Come on we all know the Justice Department is too busy going after criminals like Corzine (sarc)

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:59 | 2750245 linrom
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Productive people do GOD's work-- Simon Black


Productive people spend their whole day simultaneously eyeballing quotes on their 4 computer screens looking to skin $.001 on thousands of trades.

Productive people troll the globe looking for the sleaziest and cheapest tax heavens.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 15:15 | 2750287 Skip
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.gov has been taking kids from their parents, due to unapproved political opinions, for some time now, both here in the US and in Canada. The couple who had not just their 3 children taken from them in New Jersey but then .gov came to the hospital bedside of the mother a year or so later and snatched her newborn child.

A social worker who investigated the family found no child abuse at the home, none. Doesn't matter to .gov, they took them anyway.

Their family gained publicity in December 2008 after ShopRite in Greenwich Township refused to decorate a birthday cake for their son, Adolf Hitler Campbell, because of the boy's name. He and his sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, have been in foster care since child services officials removed them from the Campbell home in January 2009.

Their new brother, Hons Campbell, was born about 2 a.m. Thursday at Hunterdon Medical Center after a doctor induced labor Wednesday evening, Deborah Campbell said. She said the doctor who delivered the baby called the New Jersey Division of Youth and Family Services, and DYFS officials arrived with police officers and hospital security guards about 6:50 p.m. Thursday to take the baby into custody.

The Campbells did not know DYFS would take Hons, and the officials gave no reason for taking the baby, they said.

"There's no legal binding court order," Heath Campbell said. "It's basically a kidnapping, but they use different terms."

DYFS is prohibited by law from providing information, a spokeswoman said today.

This is happening, in the good old USA!!! And nobody says a word about it.

And our brave and freedom loving neighbors to the north:

Parents in racism-related child battle lose custody News Staff
Thu. Feb. 11 2010

A Manitoba court has ruled that a couple won't be able to keep their two children because of racist beliefs that were taught in their household.

Court of Queen's Bench Justice Marianne Rivoalen decided that both children will become permanent wards of Manitoba Child and Family Services. The children are currently in foster care with a relative.

Rivoalen made the ruling after the court was told that the couple taught racist beliefs to their children

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 17:48 | 2750786 blunderdog
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The Campbells wouldn't have attracted so much attention if they hadn't freaked out when ShopRite refused to decorate the cake.  I think they threatened to sue.  They fucked up.

This is a fascist totalitarian state, and if you "play ball" in pretending that it's not, you WILL be burned eventually.

That said: if the folks at the store don't want to put "Adolph Hitler Campbell" on a cake, that's not something the Campbells had any right to demand government intervention for.  You either compromise or do business with someone else. 

The right to be an asshole doesn't give you the power to force others to cooperate with you.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:00 | 2750487 AchtungAffen
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"A few weeks ago, western governments' war on productive people took an interesting twist"

Hm, does that mean they attack the factory worker, the farmer, the janitor, etc... all those productive occupations that leave real wealth created?

"when US immigration authorities detained two teenage children of an asset manager based here in Switzerland."

Oh noes, a banker is again the summum of productive people...

That's not productive. That's paper shuffling.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:00 | 2750490 slewie the pi-rat
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simon is spreading disinfo again :  the idea that wives and kids are off-limit to the mafiosa? 

maybe dCasey will send him a boxed set of theSopranos and straighten him out

but dCasey probly won't care

talk that book and who fuking cares about anything else?

truth?  well yes! you'll see them pretend they are appraoching it by talking their book, generally

what could be the problem with that?

well maybe you like the same book they do;  but you may be tooo styooopid to understand that that does not mean eveything they say is truthful, now, does it, childern?

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 16:52 | 2750645 MillionDollarBoner_
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"Uncle Sam will not rest until they hunt down every last banker and pump them for details about clients' assets."

C'ept for Jon Corzine, natch...!;o)

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 17:01 | 2750661 azzhatter
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Corzine already sent his clients assets to Jamie

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 17:40 | 2750767 blunderdog
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Anyone find any evidence that what's written here is true?  It's not hard to believe or anything, just curious if there's any corroboration. 

I'd kinda like to see what the mainstream media spin on that story is.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 17:50 | 2750789 hannah
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have you seen this story in the mainstream media..?...well that's their spin....

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:00 | 2753829 blunderdog
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Well, "Business Insider" IS the MSM, but as I said, I've found no corroboration.  For all I can tell, "Simon" just made up this story, just like he made up his name.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 17:09 | 2753854 wonderatitall
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business insider? didnt that guy go to prison? or is he another democrat with license to steal? eh corzine, reid,pelosi...cant name obama, he doesnt have the balls....maybe a vagina but no balls

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 19:42 | 2751055 The Alarmist
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Simon, I agree that they use more than a few heavy-handed tactics here to "encourage" compliance, but there is a bit of dance involved here before they invoke the full-on Star Chamber.  

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 20:19 | 2751138 PhilofOz
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Please give more evidence that this actually happened as you state Simon Black. Names, references, other sources that tell this story. So far just your word.... no where near good enough. 



Thu, 08/30/2012 - 20:22 | 2751143 sessinpo
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"This 'guilty until proven innocent' approach is the same sort of special treatment reserved for suspected terrorists."


Actually, this guilty until proven innocent is a corrupt fascist maneuver currently being used by the left, ie the socialist/communist/liberals. For example, the left has been using their left wing media, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, PBS, NPR, as a voice box to suggest that Romney is a felon. He is a felon because he won't release certain tax returns. He is a felon because he may have been at Bain Capital when Romney claims he wasn't. Romney was even at fault for the death of a woman. All proclamations used by the left wing media in stories to look like it is fact when it is not. GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.


History has shown, it is the leftist that take these methods and eventually undermine civil liberties for their cause, eventually leading the the death, extermination of millions, including those liberals that supported the corrupt regime in the first place. YOU ARE EXPENDIBLE. YOU GIVE UP YOUR FREEDOM FOR SECURITY AND THUS YOU HAVE NEITHER FREEDOM OR SECURITY, EVEN FROM THE PARTY YOU SUPPORTED.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 23:02 | 2751416 Lux Fiat
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Thanks for an interesting story.  I had not heard about this.  

Regardless of whether they were minors, knowing that your children were held for hours and prevented from contacting anyone during that time would anger any parent or grandparent.  It's not clear to me if this was done because they were foreign nationals and therefore officials felt that they were not entitled to the same rights as Americans, or if it was done because the gov't officials did not believe that there was anything inherently wrong in what they did, regardless of nationality. 

If Brandon Raub had kids, would the FBI and Chesterfield police have hauled them in and "interviewed" them for hours without the ability to contact others? 

There seems to be a very disturbing pattern here.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 00:09 | 2751521 Money 4 Nothing
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That picture reminds me of the Romney family getting ready for Holiday.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 02:49 | 2751669 pitz
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An "asset manager" a productive person?  Man you fucking make me laugh.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 02:51 | 2751671 Ar-Pharazôn
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LOL "even mafia thugs know that wives and kids are off limits"


hell no!


especially sicilian mafia, first they aim at your family, then if there is no result, they aim at you.

Fri, 08/31/2012 - 02:55 | 2751674 Ar-Pharazôn
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 "And, surprisingly, banks in Kosovo are also among the best capitalized on the continent"


mmmm let me guess..... kosovo bank washing money for kosovo mafia?


noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo this couldnt be!!!

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