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Guest Post: Syria And Iran Dominos Lead To World War

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

Almost three years ago I wrote an analytical piece on the concept of deliberately engineering wars, big and small, by elitists to distract the masses away from particular global developments that work to the benefit of the establishment power structure.  That article was entitled ‘Will The Globalists Trigger Yet Another World War?’:

http://www.alt-market.com/neithercorp/press/2010/01/will-globalists-trigger-yet-another-world-war/

In that analysis, I concluded that since at least 2008, the power’s that be (whether posing as Republicans or Democrats) had set in a motion a series of events that revolved around Iran, and most disturbingly, Syria, which could be used to trigger a vast global war scenario.  Today, unfortunately, it seems my concerns were more than valid, and circumstances evolving in that particular region are dire indeed. 

Now, some may argue that circumstances in the Middle East have always been “dire” and that it does not take much to predict a renewal of chaos.  Admittedly, for the past six years alone the American public has been treated to one propaganda campaign after the other testing the social waters to see if a sizable majority of the citizenry could be convinced to support strikes against Iran.  The U.S. and Israeli governments have come very close on several occasions in rhetoric and in the build up of arms, to just such an event.  However, I would submit that the previous threats of war that came and went are absolutely nothing in comparison to the danger today.

Syria’s civil war has developed into something quite frightening, well beyond the blind insurrections of the so-called “Arab Spring”.  So many outside interests (especially U.S. interests) are involved in the conflict it is impossible to tell whether there are actually any real revolutionaries in Syria anymore.  This unsettling of the country’s foundation has taken a turn which I warned about recently, namely, the removal of UN monitors from the area, which was announced only days ago:

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/08/16/syria-crisis-idINL6E8JGDXH20120816

The removal of UN monitors is a sign that some kind of strike is near the horizon.

Accusations of potential “chemical weapons stores” in Syria are being floated by the Department of Defense as a clear cut rationale for invasion, and Israel has essentially admitted that an attack on Iran is not only on the table but beyond planning stages into near implementation.  Even Israeli citizens are openly worried that their government is “serious” this time in its calls for preemptive attack, stockpiling gas masks and even protesting against the policy:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-14/israel-plans-for-iran-strike-as-citizens-say-government-serious.html

The tension of the atmosphere surrounding this crisis is unlike anything the Middle East has seen in decades, and that includes the U.S. invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

But before we can understand the true gravity of this situation, we must first confront some misconceptions…

Firstly, I realize that there are many people out there who have natural and conditioned inclinations towards the hatred of Muslim nations.  There are also just as many people out there who are inclined to distrust the intentions of the government of Israel.  Both sides make good points on occasion, and both sides also have a tendency to get lazy, painting with a ridiculously broad brush and blaming all the woes of the world on one side or the other so that they don’t have to think through the complexities of globalism and the one world technocratic club, or accept that “Al-Qaeda” is not the biggest threat to peace and stability.  It’s much easier to convict an entire race, or an entire religion, than it is to comprehend the mechanizations of an elite minority that plays both sides off each other.

Whatever side you may favor, simply know that in the end the sides are irrelevant.  We could argue for months about who is just, who is right, who was there first, etc.  Again, it’s irrelevant.  What does matter, though, are the potential consequences of an exponential conflict in the region, which no one can afford.

Sadly, there are still plenty of Americans out there that believe the U.S. is the “richest nation on the globe” and has finances beyond reckoning with which to wage endless wars. 

Here are the facts.  Here is exactly what will happen if the U.S., NATO, or Israel, enter into a hot war with either Iran or Syria, and the results are not optimistic:

1)  Syria And Iran Will Join Forces

In 2006, Iran and Syria signed a mutual defense treaty in response to the growing possibility of conflict with the West.  Both countries are highly inclined to fulfill this treaty, and it would seem that Iran is already doing so, at least financially, as Syria spirals into civil war.  In fact, the U.S. supported insurgency in Syria was likely developed in order to strain or test the mutual aid treaty.  Given that the CFR is now applauding Al-Qaeda for its efforts in destabilizing the country, I hardly find it outlandish to suggest that the entire rebellion is being at least loosely organized by NATO interests to either draw Iran into open military support of Assad and a weakening proxy war, or to remove Syria from the equation in preparation for a strike on Iran itself (take notice that whenever the mainstream media shows images of Syrian rebels, they are always smiling or looking valiant with guns held high; a typical subliminal tactic used to paint them as “the good guys”):

http://www.cfr.org/syria/al-qaedas-specter-syria/p28782

2)  Iran Will Shut Down The Strait Of Hormuz

With all the grandstanding at the Department of Defense, you would think that the Hormuz is a non-issue.  This is a mistake.  The strait is around 21 miles wide at its narrowest point which lays right off the coast of Iran, however, of that 21 miles only two safe shipping lanes are available, each measuring a miniscule 2 miles across.  Hormuz is one of two of the most vital oil transit checkpoints in the world, and approximately 20% of all oil produced passes through it.  The logistics for blocking the two working shipping lanes on the strait are simple given the existence of the new Ghader Missile System, which Iran tested successfully this year.  The weapon is specifically designed as a “ship-killer” with the ability to travel at Mach 3, and evade most known radar methods:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-01-01/iran-missile-test/52318422/1

In the tightly boxed in waterways of the Hormuz, a large scale and difficult to track missile attack would be devastating to any Navy present, and would turn the sea lanes into a junk yard impossible to navigate for oil tankers.  Result?  A catastrophic inflationary event in oil around the world, making gasoline unaffordable for most people and most uses.  The EU’s recent move to stockpile oil in preparation for an Iran strike reveals the seriousness of the situation:

http://www.euractiv.com/energy/europe-starts-piling-oil-iran-wa-news-514340 

3)  Israeli Action Will Draw In The U.S.

Forget what the U.S. Joint Chief of Staff General Martin Dempsey says; the U.S. will absolutely involve itself militarily in Iran or Syria following an Israeli strike.  To begin with, there is no way around a supporting or primary role, especially when Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz.  With 20% of the world’s oil supply on hiatus, at least half of the American populace will be crying out for U.S. military involvement.  Guaranteed.  Dempsey’s claim that Israel may not get American support is simply a charade meant to infer that the subversion of Syria and Iran is not necessarily a joint venture, which it absolutely is.  There is zero chance that an Israeli strike will not be met with frantic calls by the Pentagon and the White House to open the floodgates of U.S. military might and protect one of our few “democratic allies” in the Middle East.     

4)  Syria Will Receive Support From Russia And China

The Russian government has clearly stated on numerous occasions that they will not step back during a strike against Syria, and has even begun positioning naval ships and extra troops at is permanent base off the coast of Tartus, a development which I have been warning about for years:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/03/us-syria-russia-navy-idUSBRE8720AO20120803

Tartus is Russia’s only naval base outside the periphery of its borders, and is strategically imperative to the nation.  Action by the U.S. or Israel against Syria would invariably ellicit, at the very least, economic retaliation, and at the most, Russian military involvement and possible widespread war.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/21/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE8610SH20120821

China, on the other hand, will likely respond with full scale financial retaliation, up to and including a dump of U.S. Treasury Bonds (a move which they have been preparing for since 2005 anyway).  With oil prices skyrocketing due to increased Middle Eastern distress, multiple countries including the BRIC trading bloc nations and most of the ASEAN trading bloc will have the perfect excuse to dump the dollar, allowing for the introduction of the IMF’s newly revamped SDR (Special Drawing Rights) global currency mechanism to take hold.  

Syria is the key to what I believe will be an attempt on the part of globalists within our government to actually coax a volatile conflict into being, a conflict that will create ample cover for the final push towards global currency, and eventually, global governance.

5)  Economic Implosion Will Become “Secondary”…To The Banksters’ Benefit

In the minds of the general public, the economic distress that we will soon face regardless of whether or not there is ever a war with Iran and Syria will be an afterthought, at least for a time, if the threat of global combat becomes reality.  The fog of war is a fantastic cover for all kind of crime, most especially the economic kind.  Sizable wars naturally inhibit markets and cause erratic flux in capital flows.  Anything, and I mean anything, can be blamed on a war, even the destruction of the U.S. economy and the dollar.  Of course, the real culprits (international and central banks) which have been corrupting and dismantling the American fiscal structure for decades will benefit most from the distraction.

Syria and Iran are, in a way, the first dominos in a long chain of terrible events.  This chain, as chaotic as it seems, leads to only one end result:  Third world status for almost every country on the planet, including the U.S., leaving the financial institutions, like monetary grim reapers, to swoop in and gather up the pieces that remain to be fashioned into a kind of Frankenstein economy.  A fiscal golem.  A global monstrosity that removes all sovereignty whether real or imagined and centralizes the decision making processes of humanity into the hands of a morally bankrupt few.

For those on the side of Israel, the U.S., and NATO, and for those on the side of the Middle East, Russia China, etc., the bottom line is, there will be no winners.  There is no "best case scenario".  There will be no victory parade, for anyone.  There will be no great reformation or peace in the cradle of civilization.  The only people celebrating at the end of the calamitous hostilities will be the hyper-moneyed power addicted .01%, who will celebrate their global coup in private, laughing as the rest of the world burns itself out, and comes begging them for help.

 

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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 09:56 | 2727005 kato
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"So many outside interests (especially U.S. interests)..."

Try IRANIAN you fucking idiot.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:14 | 2727080 Precious
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US and UK created pretexts for the war in the Pacific too.  Put sanctions on Japan even though the real imperialsts were the British. Before that UK was destroying China by opium subversion.  Meanwhile Japan was building roads and infrastructure in Taiwan, Korea, and Manchuria.  It took nuclear bombs built by the tools of Zionism to stop Japan.  Ironic that now the only group that ever used atomic bombs, tells the world who can and cannot have them.  

US finally succeeded in destroying China by the CIA installing the ignorant, peasant MAO who murdered China's intellectual class, thereby assuring China would be 100 years behind the west.  Just like the British and the Americans like it.  If you don't think Iran, Russia and China have their own version of history, you're wrong.  

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:19 | 2727117 malikai
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I just looked up that Ghader missile. Its range is 100mi and is deployed on trucks.

Good luck enforcing a blockade with that thing around.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:20 | 2727130 otto skorzeny
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like shooting fish in a barrel. Carriers are a WWII relic.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:26 | 2727159 kridkrid
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Remember the Enterprise! Avenge her loss.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:32 | 2727206 saturn
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Can the conflict be avoided? (Much to the dismay of TPTB who love and worship raping)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:36 | 2727231 i-dog
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There will be war, unless the people speak out strongly against it. Otherwise, it's implied consent.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:16 | 2727238 Precious
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The Iranians are so inept.  They couldn't land a drone.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:48 | 2727283 Ima anal sphincter
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i-dog, You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, most Americans are completely clueless and TPTB will continue to murder innocents. If and until The American People rip this thing back, things will continue to slide into hell.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:06 | 2727369 Seer
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Speak, speak?  Really?  When has That worked?

TPTB tell us what we can say/do.

Do people demand a really just system? Well, we'll arrange it so that they'll be satisfied with one that's a little less unjust ... They want a revolution, and we'll give them reforms -- lots of reforms; we'll drown them in reforms. Or rather, we'll drown them in promises of reforms, because we'll never give them real ones either!!

- DARIO FO, Accidental Death of an Anarchist

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:36 | 2727481 10mm
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Since when did the people speaking out count?.Will not matter.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:42 | 2728007 Watauga
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Against Iran, assuming the U.S. engages in pre-emptive strikes or is willing to let a big-deck go to the bottom, Iran does not stand a chance against U.S. CVN power.  Three CVNs (assuming three platforms in launch mode) combined with the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy submarine fleet will make mincemeat out of Iranian air defense systems nearly instantly.  At that point, Iran is defenseless against U.S. air power.  The only questions that matter come into play only if we put boots on the ground in Iran.  Then, unless we are willing to engage in total war (e.g., as we did against Germany and Japan in WWII and as Lincoln did with his army against the South in his war), all bets are off.

Thu, 08/23/2012 - 03:11 | 2729524 Ar-Pharazôn
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if this missile is positioned on trucks, you can only dream to block Hormuz.

it's a ground to ground missile not a ground to air.

SO, who will keep the skies over Iran will be USA and for sure not Iran. 

1+1=2 bye bye nice trucks

you know the germanzzzzz could not even move their tanks at the end of the war not only for the lack of fuel but also for the lack of sky control by the luftwaffe

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:09 | 2728729 mick_richfield
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Hmm, yes that looks scary.

You can't dodge those missiles -- and you can't shoot them all down -- so if I were planning the attack I would try to make sure that their crews didn't know where to point them.  

I expect you still need command & control to do targeting even with the best cruise missiles on the planet.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:22 | 2727144 kridkrid
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Come on, America was an innocent victim of an unprovoked act of aggression on the part of Japan. Haven't you heard the speech? Besides, nobody even knew who this McCollum character was.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:10 | 2727383 Precious
Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:18 | 2727413 Sofa King Confused
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Amerika an innocent victim.......HAHAHAHAHAHA thats hilarious.  Japan attacked Amerika because they cut off all oil shipments that Japan needed to fight a war.  I think Amerika knew exactly what would happen.  They needed to enter the war to save europes ass but wanted it to look like Amerika was attacked first.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:25 | 2727442 Precious
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Dear Confused.  It's called sarcasm.  Get used to it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:03 | 2727574 Sofa King Confused
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Sorry must have missed the sarc tag.

Or maybe he logged in under the wrong name... Million Dollar Bonus?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:16 | 2727668 kridkrid
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Sarcasm. McCollum should have tipped my hand.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:27 | 2727160 Stackers
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While Japan was building these roads and infrastructure in Korea and Manchuria you speak of they were also wholesale raping, murdering and torturing the civilian population.

 

Like the man said there are no white knights in the game of global politics and war.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:36 | 2727224 Precious
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Yah yah.  Well, the victor writes the history books, right.  

Meanwhile, seems like the Chinese still do a pretty good job of raping, murdering and torturing their own civilian population, and continue to lie about it just like they always have done.  They apparently didn't need Japan's help with that shit.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:17 | 2727409 Seer
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Well, that's INTERNAL.  As much as I dislike unjust activities it's nonetheless up to the people there.  Further, let's not confuse reality with politics, MANY people out in the country would continue to live pretty much as they are with or without any government: subsistence = sustainability (look at nature); we've been brainwashed by the globalist to believe that we need to shun away from this, This IS the big deception.

Above someone mentioned that the "intellectuals" we killed.  Well, that's what happens when people discover that an existing paradigm is headed toward failure.  I'm surprised to hear "intellectuals" in China defended while folks here always seem to lash out at them.  Cognitive dissonances I suppose...

BTW - I'd correct your statement of

"seems like the Chinese still do a pretty good job of raping, murdering and torturing their own civilian population, and continue to lie about it just like they always have done."

to

"seems like the Chinese governing body still does a pretty good job of raping, murdering and torturing their own civilian population, and continue to lie about it just like they always have done.

It's about power.  Simple as that.  And, BIG = FAIL!  Always start with a sound premise (you can flower it up after that).

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:26 | 2727447 Raymond K Hessel
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If it's internal, so what?  It's only legimate raping, murdering, and torturing if it's done by a foreign power?  

My brain hurts trying to figure you out, Seer.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:48 | 2727547 ThirdWorldDude
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You mean you wanna go institute US-style "democracy" in China too? So the cops can taser people instead of beating the shit out of them and getting their hands dirty?

 

Internal affairs, Raymond, is a part of a country's sovereignty and it means that different parts of the world have different laws and customs. If the people subjected to them aren't happy, then it's their own responsibility to change that paradigm, not some world police supersaviour force...

You should stop thinking and go about with your day, I promise your brain won't hurt any longer!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:34 | 2727950 RichardP
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If it's internal, so what?  It's only legimate raping, murdering, and torturing if it's done by a foreign power?


This behavior done inside of any given country is not what is commonly exhibited by disciples, and so it must be changed - by force if necessary. (see below).
You mean you wanna go institute US-style "democracy" in China too?
If you truely understand the imperative in the following verses, you will better understand the "need" of Western cultures to interfer in the internal affairs of "heathen" nations.  It is part of the process of making disciples of all nations. Jesus said, "if you love me, keep my commandments".  So we show that we love him by keeping his commandment to make disciples of all nations.  That means interfering with their heathen behaviors.  Most western leaders may have moved away from believing in the Bible, and so their motives may be based more on simple greed.  But obeying this command of Jesus was the motivation behind many Western leaders years ago, and still some today. Matthew 28:18-20 -

New International Version (NIV)

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

(Edit: Can't put spaces between paragraphs for some reason.)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 19:30 | 2728963 aquarian1
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   It's really sad to see someone deliberately mislead others as to what Jesus taught. When he concludes with "those who love me keep my commandments" he has just finished telling them how to recognize evil people and false prophets. It is not what people Say they do --  but what they really do -- that shows their true selves. "You will recognize them by their deeds".

    He reviews the cores of his teachings (his commandments) not judge others, comfort the sick and the suffering, feed the hungry, etc and concludes with "and the most important is to love each other as I have loved you." If you do these things you "believe in me". You are a true christian including those label themselves as Mulsim, Hindu, Buddish etc. Saying you are a Christian doesn't make you a christian, you have to follow his teachings of love, compassion, non-judgement and caring for others.

   So a priest who rapes or sodomizes a child is not a christian. A man who teaches hatred towards others is not a christian, etc.

   The part about going forth and making nations disciples is in a completely different section, is more correctly understood woth the word "instructions". He knows his days on earth are limited and says to the 12 in effect, "Ok guys, don't knock about around here where everyone knows what I have taught, go out into the world and tell every nation my message of love and peace, "these are my instructions to you".

   The new testment was written by different authors many years after Jesus died and none of it by Jesus and in Aramaic, translated and mis-translated to Greek and Latin and then to English, with edits by the clergy to suit their purposes. It has to be read with spiritual understanding, which is what "Let those who have ears, hear." means. Not literal ears everyone has those.

   None of the evils and wars that where done by the church or with its aid have anything to do with Jesus's teachings of love, peace and brotherhood among all men.

   
   The bible has been twisted and distorted by those who wish to stir up ill-feelings towards others throughout history. Your post is also for that reason.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 23:11 | 2729326 RichardP
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King James Version says If ye love me, keep my commandments.  (John 14:15)  That is a different emphasis than your those who love me keep my commandments.  Other than that, I don't disagree with anything you said, although I don't understand your last sentence "Your post is also for that reason."  I was making the point that Stiler makes in his first paragraph below.  Perhaps you would get that if you realize my point keys off of the word "need" in my post.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:19 | 2729255 stiler
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During the British Empire sharing the gospel of Christ became synonymous with making someone into an Englishman. And so it is withevery empire I guess.

Hudson Taylor, an English missionary to China believed in living his life as a Chinaman. He wore his hair long and dressed the part, in effect becoming Chinese, yet still English. The missionary society disagreed with him, but he had great success. Look at the house churches in China today.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 19:30 | 2729006 Raymond K Hessel
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I dont advocate for world police.  

My comment means it's not okay for people to be tortured, etc simply because it's internal.

Just in case, some asshole in America thinks it's okay to rape or torture me just because I'm American.  That's all.

You should stop telling people not to think.  That's how we got into this mess.  So now, pull back the stick and don't go hare kare on us.   

...btw, the US is a republic not a democracy.  Democracy is mob rule.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:40 | 2728002 Seer
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So, you APPROVE of US intervention?  That would statist, wouldn't it?

My POINT is that using FORCE to prevent FORCE is why things are so fucked up now.

I seem to recall reading that the founders of the US Constitution warning about meddling in the affairs of other nations.  Perhaps they understood where that leads? (religious/"humanitarian" or "delivering democracy" are such old tricks, tricks that we repeatedly fall for [because we fall for the nationalistic jargon/propaganda of being "special," which then means that we have to "share" our specialness with others])

It's up to people to fight for their own selves, for their own land.  I find it more ironic that people here, folks who say this exact same thing, couldn't understand this for OTHERS in other parts of the world.  No, my logic and principles are quite sound, thank you very much.

If your brain is hurting then take a break.  If you REALLY want to figure things out it'll come to you, in time.  Hang in there!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 19:27 | 2728999 Raymond K Hessel
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I think our wires are crossed.

In short, what I'm trying to say is that it shouldn't matter if it's internal or external...there's no prime directive here.  It's both equally evil that it happens internally or externally.

I think we're on the same page now.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:45 | 2728014 Watauga
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No white knights, to be sure, but armor takes on various shades of gray as it is used, and some shades are certainly darker than others.  Neither Japan nor the U.S. was innocent in the buildup to WWII.  The French and British were not innocent in the buildup of Germany's fatal venture, either.  But in both cases, the allied powers were a hell of a lot less dark than their enemies.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:28 | 2727175 gdogus erectus
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Exactly. It's a race right now for those of us who are awake and aware to spread the word and keep this game plan from happening. It all starts with awareness. These plans are not assured to happen.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:34 | 2727217 AGuy
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"Meanwhile Japan was building roads and infrastructure in Taiwan, Korea, and Manchuria. "

You make it sound is if Japan was an innocent victum of WW2. Japan was guilty as the rest as a 20th century imperialist, siezing land in Asia and the pacific region. Japan didn't go into Korea, China, etc with open hands, but a clenched fists taking anything they could conquer. Japan also used forced labor camps just like the Nazis did. Lets also not forget about the forced prostitution that japan did in their occupied territories.

The OSS didn't install MAO in China. They provided assistance to all resistances fighter in China fighting the Chinese. One group of the resistance fighters was lead by Mao. Mao became the resistance fighter that siezed control.  The US also provide assistance to Stalin to fight the German Nazi's. The US gave support so that Russia would not fall to the Nazi's. At the time, the US didn't like Stalin very much, since he collaborated with Hitler to seize Poland and the baltic states.

Just because the US, UK and other western nations have done terrible, terrible things in the past, does mean the rest were peace loving innocent victums. The world is full of lots and lots of bad people no matter where you go.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:40 | 2727233 Precious
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Fucking brainwashed tool.  Is that the version they distribute in the Kansas high school system now?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:44 | 2727259 knightowl77
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Your Moral equivalence would indicate that you are the brainwashed one

 

To equate what we did to stop Japan and Germany with what they did, is total marxist propaganda...

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:47 | 2727277 Precious
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Uh.  You don't know shit, Hooting Crusader.  And I didn't equate Germany to jack, so fuck off.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:38 | 2727501 MachoMan
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To equate what we did to stop Japan and Germany with what they did, is total marxist propaganda...

That's an interesting way of reframing the argument...  what if we tacitly complied with the rise of Japan and Germany?  or, gasp, even supplied the Nazis with the tools necessary to catalogue their extermination of large swaths of jews (e.g. IBM)?  (you mean there's gambling going on here?).  Needless to say, our involvement in the war did not begin with Pearl Harbor.  Further, I think it's difficult, at best, to separate all of the immoral activities given the interconnected nature of dealings between all parties.  While I don't necessarily think that we're of equal moral failure, we're certainly not clean...  to attempt to determine the particular degree each party is culpable is probably to miss the point.

As a rudimentary political strategy, one always attempts to force his opponent into binary decisions, either of which benefit him (most of the time, but not necessarily all of the time, to the opponent's detriment).  Point USA on that one...  although, too much of a good thing eventually leads to...  our present predicament.  (which is also why induction is a strategy destined for failure).

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:47 | 2728024 Seer
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Thank you for adding a sense of stability.

The world's in techno-color, the "black and/or white" world doesn't exist (except in the minds of the ideologues)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:22 | 2727428 mick68
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I knew there had to be a reason for half the US navy sitting in the Persian Gulf, every hired gun the US could find helping attack Syria, and 150K US soldiers planted on an island just off Iran's coast.

Oh, and the 3 trillion the US spent on dozens of permanent bases in the middle east, combined with enough equipment and manpower to well....take over the entire area. And they want us to believe this was all about Afganistan and Iraq. Yeah, we'll go with that.....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:20 | 2727675 Renewable Life
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Nothing like re-debating history and pretending shit isn't happening in front of your face!! This article is about today, not 1940 for fuck sake! I feel like I'm trapped in a college freshman world history class! reading this thread!

The REAL question is, are we at the doorstep of another global war, and what are the ramifications of that???

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:53 | 2728045 Seer
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"The REAL question is, are we at the doorstep of another global war, and what are the ramifications of that???"

Nothing, really, except... DEATH!  In the immortal words of Harry Callahan: ..."you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" (not implying anything derogatory towards you, it's just that this quote came to mind after I thought that it's all a crap-shoot and none of us really can know whether this shit will claim any of our lives)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:02 | 2729234 MrSteve
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This whole line is revisionist nonsense. Imperial Japan was raping Nanking for industrial wealth. TR and his peace treaty probably did put them up to it, but they developed imperial militarism for their own purposes. Ask the Chinese if you don't believe me. Oh, and China certainly is 100 years behind the times these days, isn't it? The eating of children, detailed in Pearl Buck's The Good Earth, is over in China. They eat at McDonalds and Burger King now. You need to assemble a few true facts in historical order before you post here. Rewriting history is supposed to be done by the winners, not the weiners.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:13 | 2727094 otto skorzeny
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the old FDR plan-hey the economy sucks so let's get America back to work with a nice world war

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:26 | 2727161 dick cheneys ghost
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The 'petrodollar' was introduced while Nixon was fighting Watergate................

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:42 | 2727254 Woodyg
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The 2 horns on that devil Nixon's head - ending bretton woods and opening up china.....

It's been downhill since then....

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 17:14 | 2728743 mick_richfield
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Oh, I think it was going downhill pretty well before that.

I would pick 1913.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:37 | 2727491 Seer
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That ANYONE believes that a POTUS really makes these calls only further erodes my confidence in people rising above all this shit...

Perhaps people saw the hands of FDR (and his mouth) move, but the string-pullers were there, as they have always been.

The British were pretty well indebted to the US (govt as well as corporations), and had Germany been successful (which could never have happened*) then all that debt would have disappeared and the US would have been big losers.  I'm not sure of what happened to that debt, I figure it was, as is always the case, written off anyway, though the big entities accepted it in order to garner big slices of the war profits (and subsequent carvings of the booty).

* BAD SYSTEMS FAIL.  Nazi Germany just as Communist Russia [USSR] could never have taken over the world, and so too will be the cas with Crony-capitalist USA.

The string-pullers were working things well before FDR.  One could view this as Bush I and then Obama: Bush I and "New World Order," then Clinton's NAFTA, then Bush II's "nation building," to now Obama's global dominance.  These people are ALL programmed.  It's time to whacking at the branches and go for the roots, to stop wasting energy on the POTUS and OUT those who are behind the scenes doing the actual manipulations.  From http://www.nber.org/digest/jan05/w10580.html

When the war began, the U.S. economy was in recession. But a 44-month economic boom ensued from 1914 to 1918, first as Europeans began purchasing U.S. goods for the war and later as the United States itself joined the battle. "The long period of U.S. neutrality made the ultimate conversion of the economy to a wartime basis easier than it otherwise would have been," writes Rockoff. "Real plant and equipment were added, and because they were added in response to demands from other countries already at war, they were added precisely in those sectors where they would be needed once the U.S. entered the war."

Entry into the war in 1917 unleashed massive U.S. federal spending which shifted national production from civilian to war goods. Between 1914 and 1918, some 3 million people were added to the military and half a million to the government. Overall, unemployment declined from 7.9 percent to 1.4 percent in this period, in part because workers were drawn in to new manufacturing jobs and because the military draft removed from many young men from the civilian labor force.

Rockoff estimates the total cost of World War I to the United States at approximately $32 billion, or 52 percent of gross national product at the time. He breaks down the financing of the U.S. war effort as follows: 22 percent in taxes, 58 percent through borrowings from the public, and 20 percent in money creation. The War Revenue Act of 1917 taxed "excess profits" -- profits exceeding an amount determined by the rate of return on capital in a base period -- by some 20 to 60 percent, and the tax rate on income starting at $50,000 rose from 1.5 percent in 1913-15 to more than 18 percent in 1918. Meanwhile, Treasury Secretary William Gibbs McAdoo crisscrossed the country peddling war bonds, even enlisting the help of Hollywood stars and Boy Scouts. The prevalence of patriotic themes created social pressure to purchase the "Liberty bonds" (and, after the armistice, the "Victory bonds"), but in practice the new bondholders did not make a tangible personal sacrifice in buying war bonds, since the yields on the se debt instruments were comparable to those on standard municipal bonds at the time. As Rockoff notes, "patriotic motives were not sufficient to alter market prices of assets during the war."

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:47 | 2728026 Watauga
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FDR was a master, in any case, of statist-collectivist political action.  He was a tyrant--and whether he was calling his own shots or listening to puppetmasters, he was effective in putting the U.S. on the path to totalitarian implosion.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:20 | 2727421 goldenrod
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Hey kato, look in the mirror if you want to know who the fucking idiot it.  The "freedom fighters" in Syria are mostly foreigners supported and financed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and UAE and armed by US.  The Sunni mornachies in the middle-east are trying to violently overthrow the Iran backed Shiite regime in Syria.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:27 | 2727450 Martial
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Shill alert.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 09:56 | 2727006 Dalago
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Step 3 may not happen.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:00 | 2727016 tbone654
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hopefully not...  but Iran will intentionally try to suck us in...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:11 | 2727087 otto skorzeny
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don't you Mossad agents have anything else to do? like preparing a false flag attack to "suck us in". little Susie SUV whore in her Tahoe can't be filling up that gas-sucker for $7 a gallon-now can she?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:14 | 2727099 Dalago
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Yea its more like Israel will try to suck us in.

 

The Next Decade: Where We've Been . . . and Where We're Going

 

http://www.amazon.com/The-Next-Decade-Where-Going/dp/0385532946

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:44 | 2727266 Woodyg
Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:00 | 2727026 Dalago
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The Next Decade: Where We've Been . . . and Where We're Going

 

http://www.amazon.com/The-Next-Decade-Where-Going/dp/0385532946

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:23 | 2727148 BLOTTO
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The Syria crisis imo, will be the catalyst to bring in the heavy world players, i.e, Russia and US.

The international peace force (still to come) that enter into Syria will not be your usual group - but rather made up of Russian, Turkish forces... and a few others.

Its already started

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/07/is-russia-finally-inching-away-from-syrias-assad/259828/

All a setup and jocking for position...

Stay tuned...

 

Lock n' load.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:45 | 2727536 Seer
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Syria was ALWAYS about neutering Russia's power.  Problem is is that there's no local force present to balance this power: Europe? ha ha...  So, the US plays the role.  BUT, logistics, no matter how efficient, never seem to hold up for long supply lines (distances), so there's really a very low probability that the US will ever be able to push Russia back.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:00 | 2727594 Savvy
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I agree for the simple fact that if the battle ground is Syria and eventually Iran, it won't be Russia or the US. Israel too, inevitably, but then the Uganda Option comes into play. Cheers.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:04 | 2727010 lolmao500
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If Iran is attacked, Iran will attack US troops in Afghanistan... forcing Obama to make a draft to make a surge in Afghanistan and invade Iran. Mere air strikes won't do it.

Hezbollah, Syria and Hamas will unleash on Israel, aiming at blowing up Dimona. If they suceed, Israel will be a radioactive wasteland. Israel will probably nuke them in response.

Who knows how that will affect Pakistan, Iraq and Egypt... probably not in a good way. Saudi Arabia is pretty safe from revolution the way it's structured. Bahrain will probably be protected by Saudi Arabia.

IMO there's no way Russia will fight for Syria. They talk loud but really, it's all a bluff. They already said they are prepared to leave Tartus if it becomes too hot.

Don't believe me?

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120728/174823215.html

As for dates... Russia is doing drills off Syria in September. The US will have 4 aircraft carriers groups off Iran in about 2 weeks. The USS enterprise, which a lot of people said would be used for a false-flag is leaving the middle-east within 3 weeks... unless they extend their tour... There's a new moon on September 16... Perfect timing for a strike.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:08 | 2727067 aint no fortuna...
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The only ones left will be cockaroaches and bankers... I'll hang w/ the cockaroaches, thank you very much

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:11 | 2727319 Precious
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Afghanistan produces more opium than ever.  That's apparently the success of the American occupation forces there.  Great work.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:16 | 2727403 aint no fortuna...
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Jamie's no doubt planning to install a few thousand kiosks out in the countryside so folks can finance a quick hit when they start jonesing

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:09 | 2727076 optimator
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Russia may not fight for Syria, but they will send "Volunteers" as the Chinese sent volunteers into Korea.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:29 | 2727188 BLOTTO
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I dont see the Russians - along with its allies - letting American 'peace keepers' anywhere near that zone.

Russia will not let Iran get blasted away by Israel.

Syria, Russia, Turkey, Iran, South Sudan and Libya = same team

vs

Israel, and young lions

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:24 | 2727154 CrashisOptimistic
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I don't think you understand the new world and Russia's place in it as THE NUMBER ONE PRODUCER OF OIL.  They can withdraw oil exports, pump plenty for their own populace, and completely destroy the US via $8/gallon gasoline.  Don't think they do not know it.

They pump 10 million bpd.  You take 1 mbpd out from Iran or 1 mbpd out from Libya and you see $115/barrel brent (which is the true price of oil in the world).  Try taking 5 or 7 mbpd out and see what happens.

Hillary Clinton does not realize Russia's dominance.  She will, if she's still in office.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:43 | 2727250 lolmao500
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Or even better. Wait for the war to begin and the US to draft/invade...when all the troops/tanks are mobilized, the consumption of oil will be epic... that's when Russia stops all exports of oil... with the war machine running, the US will be out of oil within 1-2 months and the cost will be so high, the economy will just implode, people will riot... Russia will bleed but Europe and the US will be dead.

Thing is, to do that they would have to only export to China otherwise China woudl explode too.

The blowback from this will be... a lot of pissed off people in Europe and the US wanting Russia dead... which would bring us to WW3 eventually anyways.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 22:08 | 2729242 MrSteve
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Hey no problem! If Russia tries to raise the price of oil and gasoline, the FED can just double the press run for the next few trillion of dollars and then everybody will have money for gas. Isn't that how it is supposed to work?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:43 | 2727528 AGuy
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"IMO there's no way Russia will fight for Syria"

Three points of interest:

1. Syria owes Russia a lot of money. When the US topped Saddam, the 40+ Billion Saddam owed to Russia was voided. I am sure Russia expects the same if Syria falls. Would the Russians go to war over this? No, but they aren't happy about it

2. The US is clearly destabilizing the middle east FAST!. This is going to have long term repercussions for everyone, especially for the West and Asia dependant on ME energy. Its very likely these events will lead to the next World War. I am sure this is a major concern for the Russians and probably their primary motivation to discourage the US from overthrowning Assad.

3. While the prevoius regimes rulerd with an iron fist (bad), I worry that the regimes replacing them will be much worse and will become beligerent against their neighbors. In Libya, Arms stockpiled by Khadfi (sp?) are fueling guerrilla warfare in neighboring southern nations. Secular gov'ts are being replaced by non-secular gov't which use the power of religion and propaganda to motivate the people into doing bad things, especially against citizens following different religions. Corruption is usually much higher in non-secular gov'ts because the TPTB use religion (God's work) to hide there abuse of power.

 

"There's a new moon on September 16... Perfect timing for a strike."

The US certianly won't do a first strike against Iran until after the election. Currently the focus by the WH is on Syria. The carriers are their to keep the oil flowing if Isreal goes to war with Iran or Egypt (now massing equipment in the DMZ). When the US gets involve with the Iran depends on what happens with Israel. I doubt the US will engage Iran at least for the remainder of the year, unless forced to, by Israel's actions, or perhaps if Iran starts shooting first.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:07 | 2727864 FMR Bankster
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Israel may strike Iran but we won't. And you are correct that our navel power is there in case Iran moves to cut off the oil flow. As for Egypt you are WAY off base there. They have NO ability to fight Israel. All their arms have come from us since 1979. Imagine that phone call after a week of conflict. "We need to order amo, replacement parts,artillery shells, bombs and we need the delivery yesterday." Sorry
Egypt, we'll have to put those on back order for you. We're fresh out. We just shipped all we have to your neighbor to the east. Once Egypt signed the Camp David agreement and took our military assistance they were out of the "war with Israel" business.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:28 | 2727941 BigJim
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 ...The US certianly won't do a first strike against Iran until after the election.

But... you don't go changing horses mid-stream!

Obama would love to be a full-blown war president come election time. This drone biz ain't cuttin' it, electorally-speaking.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:57 | 2727592 Seer
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"If Iran is attacked, Iran will attack US troops in Afghanistan... forcing Obama to make a draft to make a surge in Afghanistan and invade Iran."

Are you calling the election for Obama?  I'd leave it blank and just state "forcing POTUS to make a draft" etc. etc..  NOTE: It's not really POTUS calling the shots, POTUS is just the loudspeaker...

"IMO there's no way Russia will fight for Syria. They talk loud but really, it's all a bluff. They already said they are prepared to leave Tartus if it becomes too hot."

I wouldn't be too sure.  And, really, is one's adversary really going to state EXACTLY what it's going to do?  No.  Further, Russia's ace in the hole is energy to Europe (people really need to get with the program and read a little history- it's been about ENERGY for a LONG time now!).  Severe threats will be countered with threats of removing NG supplies to Europe.  Imagine failing nuclear reactors and functioning ones that are decommissioned (equates to a big drop in energy) PLUS withdrawal of energy from Russia.  Do people really think that the populations of Europe are going to NOT explode? (I'm not thinking that they're gullible enough to get sucked into patriot shit, not like people in the US)

Got physical?

Maybe Romney's string-pullers are pulling a play from the Iranian Hostage Crisis playbook, the Reagan string-pullers negotiating behind the scenes on the lead-up to the 1980 elections- any blow up was put off until after the elections (and no really big fallout took place- a lucky break for the string-pullers).

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 09:59 | 2727019 FiatFapper
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War is inevitable, it's the great 'reset' of society.

History repeating itself: Roaring twenties (credit expansion) -> Great Depression (investement theft) -> war

However, things are different now with MAD; where can i apply for my cheyenne mountain lottery ticket?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 09:59 | 2727022 LongSoupLine
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I'm sorry but that "first domino" was Central Bank fucktards creating economic stresses.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:24 | 2727149 Pa Kettle
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It would be more accurate if you stopped at "Central Bank fucktards." Period.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:01 | 2727610 Seer
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No, the FIRST domino was "go forth and multiply."  We failed to check the premise, to figure where This would lead when we're on a finite planet.

And from this came fractional banking, totally severing humans from reality.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:00 | 2727023 kato
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"For those on the side of Israel, the U.S., and NATO, and for those on the side of the Middle East..."

"the side of the Middle East..." ZH should not allow some 'wrtiers' to post. Is this from a fourteen year old? Pathetic.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:06 | 2727052 adr
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The middle east isn't exactly a shining example of freedom and stability.

Do I want to live under Islam? Not a chance in hell. Pretty much why I do not want to live under our current system either.

Control is the ancient religion making a resurgence today. That is what needs to be fought against.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:27 | 2727170 otto skorzeny
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you have a better chance of living under the rule of Martians than Islam. the best side to be on would be similar to the Venetians during the time of the crusades-they made $ sailing the Christians over and got rich dealing goods and arms to both sides while they tore one another apart-I'm guessing the Chinese will play the part of the Venetians in this one

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:34 | 2727214 johnQpublic
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you dont know shiite from shinola

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:58 | 2728321 madcows
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uh, isn't there sharia law in great britain now?  I'd say that once Christian country is living under a form of Muslim rule.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:28 | 2727163 Dr. Engali
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I'm glad ZH allows a variety of "writers" to post. I like to have different viewpoints ,and it would be a shame if ZH denied somebodies post just because of their grammar or their writing style. Just as it would be a shame if they prevented commentators from commenting due to their spelling.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:42 | 2727251 john39
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the idiots who fall for the 'muslims are taking over the world' propaganda don't like to see any information that points out how weak the propaganda is... 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:39 | 2727240 Brynjo
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Kato: I think I know what your destinction/concern is, but, perhaps you could be slightly more explicit in your presumably constructive criticism.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:44 | 2727517 JOYFUL
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thank yu Kato for the speedy and forthright self-critique...such honesty is refreshing, and I hope yu will continue to post in the same vein...

meanwhiles, in big bouy n grl land, Smith is to be commended for posting the most factual summation of current events, with the least dissembling of all of Zh's roster of ruminators...

not to say that this in itself is much of an ecomium - when yu have a guy like GW pushing the arcane notion that the Saudis were behind 9-11*...but it's as good as it gets...so far. All yu have to do is substitute Kosher Kapiltalist for his Globalist kode word and yu got it Pontiac!

*hilarious to see George come out with a karefully krafted effort to regain some street kred after being kalled out on the Saudi schtick\

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-17/iran%E2%80%99s-words-mis... ...a masterpiece of lookin like the kick-ass resistance fighter whilst all the while keepin to the kosher script...Voila!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:01 | 2727025 q99x2
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Get rid of the banking families and win the war against war.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:00 | 2727027 jowenchrist
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Quit trying to blow sunshine up my ars...geez louise...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:00 | 2727029 adr
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So to fix the world .01% of the population has to die. Talk about minimal sacrifice for the greater good.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:14 | 2727098 SMG
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Even if you could find every single one of them and hang them (which would be very difficult if not impossible).  If their system remains, it will just be filled with the next wave of power hungry psychopaths.  The system (banks, corporate, education,etc)  is what must be destroyed, it is from that which the Elite derive their power.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:39 | 2727243 adr
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I think a lot of French aristocrats thought they were safe as well. The one thing that paralyzes the elite class is fear of death. If you took out one elite in a very public way, the rest would run for cover.

The elite are cowards, the more wealth you have, the greater your paranoia. If you took Dimon or Blankfein and threw them into a crowd on the street, you would never see greater fear in someone's eyes.

The sad reality is nobody would probably recognize them and they wouldn't be torn limb from limb. To them that would be equally as bad.

It is this insane narcissism and belief of importance that really gets me. I walked into a mall with a CEO of a billion dollar company one time. He was literally freaking out that nobody recognized him, I could see it in his face. He was so used to commanding attention and the praise of the yes men, he couldn't stand not having people look at him. We found a sporting goods store to use as an excuse for our trip, we walked in and the store manager reconized the guy. Immediatly the color came back to the CEOs face.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:41 | 2727512 Mysteerious Roo...
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Fascinating. And weird. Thanks for posting.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:38 | 2727499 stewie
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Start with Central Banks and you're on your way.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:10 | 2727644 Seer
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Yup... don't allow for ANY centralized power.  That also includes religious ones.  As soon as people stop believing in gods and masters and become responsible for themselves (in concert with those around them), THEN is the time that humans will have stepped up the ladder ("evolved," "closer to 'God'," whatever feel-good labeling one wants to use).

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:02 | 2727036 magpie
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There are some countries which will be wiped of the map regardless which side wins.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:37 | 2727230 Winston Churchill
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Wins ?

No winners in this conflict except maybe cockroaches.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:51 | 2727300 css1971
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You think?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault

Primary funding for the Trust comes from organisations, such as the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:20 | 2727677 Seer
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As someone who understands a bit about farming I see the concept of saving seeds (before the folks like Monsanto wipe everything out) to be a good thing.  Could there be less than benevolent drives behind this?  Well, that could be asked of ANYTHING.

If you consider that this planet WILL go into another glacial period then maybe such "preparedness" isn't far fetched.

On one hand it appears that TPTB are trying to destroy the world.  On the other hand it appears that it's trying to prepare for human survival: we know that we're not all going to survive (duh!), so it then becomes a matter of who does, and, clearly, those who are PREPARED (though one has to make the right calls on how things will lean lest you bet the wrong way).

If you don't like the seed vault, that it's Bill's work, then I might ask why it is that you are helping him?  You're sitting there typing away in front of a computer that, though may not be one running Bill's software, is operating within the very domain that enables him to do what he does.  If you don't like it then remove your $$s/energy from the computing world.  NOTE: We've ALL abetted this shit; it's now a matter of what we're going to do about it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:03 | 2727040 lsbumblebee
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Where to begin?

What is right is "irrelevant".

Brilliant.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:05 | 2727051 firstdivision
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Sorry to be off-topic, but, what is wrong with this picture?

  1. USG10Y -2.78%
  2. GDBR10Y -6.34%
  3. UKG10Y -4.66%
  4. SPA10Y  +.52%
  5. ITA10Y  +.34%
Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:22 | 2727680 Seer
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What's wrong?  Like you said, it's off topic! (sorry, couldn't resist!)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:06 | 2727055 malikai
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Brilliant peice. And great links too.

Thanks Brandon!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:06 | 2727058 icanhasbailout
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Israel should be told that if it starts a war it's on its own to finish it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:16 | 2727111 otto skorzeny
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that'll happen. look up the massive amounts of $ that AIPAC donates to or "leaders" in Congress. Don't forget Mittens was on his knees in Israel a few weeks ago getting the game plan. follow the $

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:18 | 2727119 madcows
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I don't blame Israel for the nutjobs in Iran, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Turkey, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jordan, Oman, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, and Kuwait (remember them?).

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:30 | 2727192 otto skorzeny
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remind me why we are even over there being the (thug) policeman to the world again?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:59 | 2727346 Colonial Intent
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So that our living standards dont fall to their level?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:38 | 2727498 madcows
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Because Muslim Terrorists flew planes into our buildings.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:43 | 2727527 Mysteerious Roo...
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Nit-wit. Pinhead.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:03 | 2727624 madcows
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Right.  I'm an idiot. 

Move over, so I can dry hump Ron Paul's leg, too.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:31 | 2727959 madcows
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To benefit Haliburton.  No, wait.  That was Bush.

SOLYNDRA!  We are there to benefit Solyndra.  They're going to build solar facilities in the Sinai.

Come on Trolls.  Come and get it.  Here, have a chewy-jew and go back to your basement.  Argh!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:45 | 2727257 madcows
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Sorry, my bad.  Israel is to be blamed for the missles that are launched at them on a near daily basis.  They have no right to defend themselves against an entire region of extremists.

The Muslim Terrorist Nations are in the right.  I, in fact, encourage them to develop nukes and annihilate all their enemies, including us.  Israel and the US are the bad people.

I've converted.  I'm going to go force my wife into a burka right now.  Maybe flay the soles of her feet to, just to show her who's boss.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:57 | 2727333 blabam
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How old are you?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:34 | 2727460 madcows
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What race, religion and nationality are YOU?

Do you really believe that Israel is to bear sole blame?  That Palestine, Egypt and Iran's constant threats, attacks and nuclear development bear no responsibility?

Instead you'd rather say I'm childish?  God help us.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:46 | 2727540 Mysteerious Roo...
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No. Not childish. Pinhead. You're a pinhead.

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:44 | 2727534 Mysteerious Roo...
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LOL!

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:06 | 2727059 OhOh
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So many targets for each side to choose from. If only the crusader coalition would step back from war/war to jaw/jaw.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:08 | 2727060 Cognitive Dissonance
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Is that your hand up my ass or am I just happy to see my puppeteer?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:06 | 2727061 Arnold Ziffel
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Bring back the compulsory Draft. That would end war tomorrow imo.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:05 | 2727366 Spastica Rex
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But mercenaries are so Roman Empire.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:26 | 2727064 davinci7_gis
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It's easy to see that the US now has plenty of bases in both Iraq and Afganistan that can easily be ramped up to support tens of thousands of troops if needed.  The US no longer has to rely on Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Jordan for support like in Gulf War 1.  It's inevitable that there will be a war with Iran. Europe (Germany), the US and Israel will all be involved.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:47 | 2727544 Mysteerious Roo...
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Two words: Supply lines.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:26 | 2727702 Seer
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I suspect that most who don't understand this are so sucked into the virtual world that they couldn't understand...

The further out from the core you go the less effective.  It's an energy equation thing...

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:26 | 2728433 RichardP
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Can't we just do it all with drones?

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:09 | 2727071 Randall Cabot
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You better believe that Iran has loaded some of those missiles with radioactive payloads and they will retaliate against israel.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:42 | 2727221 css1971
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Why attack israel when they can attack iraq and saudi and cause real damage?

Russia is the largest oil producer. Saudi is the next. If Iran close the straits or take out the oil terminals and Russia stops supplying the west with oil, that's a lot more than 20% reduction in oil. It's closer to a 40% reduction in supply.

 

Spot the odd one out which would be hardest hit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chart-of-Oil-Trading-Nation_inverse.GIF

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:47 | 2727778 flapdoodle
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No need for Russia to cut off Europe in that scenario. All they need to do is jack up the price...

See next post.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:49 | 2727780 flapdoodle
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No need for Russia to cut off Europe in that scenario. All they need to do is jack up the price...

 

See previous post (sorry, couldn't help it ;)

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:48 | 2727282 john39
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i seriously doubt it.  Unlike the U.S. and Israel, Iranian behavior indicates that they have some moral leadership.  Look beyond the propaganda and see that Iran hasn't attacked any country in hundreds of years...  Contrast that with the U.S. and Israel who can't stop themselves starting wars and mayhem all over the world...  oh yeah, that's different, we are promoting democracy....  /s

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:50 | 2727556 Mysteerious Roo...
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An ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination.
— Voltaire

 

 

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 12:43 | 2727762 Seer
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Voltaire is one of my all-time favorites.

And my favorite quote:

“Men argue…nature acts” [bitchez!]

- Voltaire

 

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:37 | 2727985 falak pema
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If God didn't exist we'd have to invent him.

I disagree with what you say, but I am willing to die to defend your right to say it.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:54 | 2728044 Skateboarder
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We have a winner. If you can't say what you wish to say (even if I want to beat your ass for it), and I can't say what I want to say (even if you want to beat my ass for it), there is really no point in continuing societal existence. I don't mind living alone on the outskirts of bumfuck nowhere, but from what I hear, that's kind of "illegal" now. Heh... what a silly concept.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 15:03 | 2728348 madcows
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Iran is the moral high ground?  They kill their own people.  They don't declare war as a nation, they just do it in the form of funding international terrorist groups.

We may not be spotless, but I wouldn't go fluffing Iran's pillows.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:09 | 2727075 g speed
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to control you have to occupy the ground--that ain't going to happen world wide-- worst case is total destruction, nuke winter and reset-- welcome to the 21st.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:10 | 2727078 nah
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if its war they want

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its war they will get

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:16 | 2727105 falak pema
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you can practically hear the drumbeats when you read an article like this, whatever its merits about authenticity : 

Iran's Supreme Leader Orders Fresh Terror Attacks On The West - Business Insider

This is the sort of reporting that pours oil on the fire.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:19 | 2727122 otto skorzeny
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you're quoting BI- Joe Weaselenthal is a 1st class Zionist. He is a CNBC wannabe but too ugly to be  a regular

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:25 | 2727158 falak pema
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I'm quoting MSM USA, period. The US press has a responsibility to the public.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:28 | 2727176 Randall Cabot
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"According to Western intelligence officials.."

LOL

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:11 | 2727084 lolmao500
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And if you think Obama cares about a strike on Iran before the election remember this... No president has ever lost an election when the country was at war.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 13:24 | 2727925 Seer
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"No president has ever lost an election when the country was at war."

I believe that there's still a state of emergency on, and that, there's been no Constutionally required declartion of war for nearly (over) 1/2 a century, the US is currently in a state of war.  So... it's almost automatic that presidential terms are really 8 years: both of the political sides (read "same coin") profit off of this; the "winner," of course, gets to feast now, the "loser" gets to build up their collection of forks and knives in preparation for their turn at the trough.

Interesting bit of info here http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=State_of_national_emergency

"When Congress declares an emergency, there is no Constitution..."

"The Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 [commonly referred to as the "Farm Bill"], a curse to farmers for so many years, was a key piece of legislation in these emergency powers, for it took the power to coin and regulate money away from congress (as provided in the Constitution) and gave it to the president. Tracing back through the archives, further investigation showed how emergency government was simultaneously implemented in all states through a highly coordinated effort coming straight down from FDR and the federal government. Emergency government, outside the bounds of the Constitution, has now been the norm for more than 64 years, according to the Senate's own study."

 

From http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/06/23/defining-an-american-state-of-war/ [2011]

War: A totally malleable concept that is purely in the eye of the beholder.


Which is undoubtedly why the Obama administration recently decided not to return to Congress for approval of its Libyan intervention as required by the War Powers Resolution of 1973. The administration instead issued a report essentially declaring Libya not to be a “war” at all, and so not to fall under the provisions of that resolution. As that report explained: “U.S. operations [in Libya] do not involve [1] sustained fighting or [2] active exchanges of fire with hostile forces, nor do they involve [3] the presence of U.S. ground troops, U.S. casualties, or a serious threat thereof, or [4] any significant chance of escalation into a conflict characterized by those factors.”

This, of course, opens up the possibility of quite a new and sunny American future on planet Earth, one in which it will no longer be wildly utopian to imagine war becoming extinct. After all, the Obama administration is already moving to intensify and expand its [fill in the blank] in Yemen, which will meet all of the above criteria, as its [fill in the blank] in the Pakistani tribal borderlands already does. Someday, Washington could be making America safe all over the globe in what would, miraculously, be a thoroughly war-less world.

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Wed, 08/22/2012 - 14:02 | 2728078 Skateboarder
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Thanks for the book and the insightful post. Is this a recommended read for laypersons trying to understand the corporate state? I have a good understanding of the current and past state of affairs and developments. Would be nice to have one book that I can lend out to people to help them understand the greater situation.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:11 | 2727086 Dr. Engali
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Sadly I don't think there will ever be enough people that will wake up and realize that it's not us against the Muslims or us against the Jews, It is us against TPTB. Until people wake up and realize that they will continue to be played for fools and  be fodder in the war machine.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 11:10 | 2727386 Spastica Rex
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CLASS WARFARE! CLASS WARFARE!

Nah, +1.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:12 | 2727091 Remington IV
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Hilarious post

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:13 | 2727095 yogibear
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Lloyd Blankfein already off to Israel to see how he can profit off the huge future war. Lloyd and his other fellow banksters are preparing their bunkers far away from the US and the middle east.

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:17 | 2727110 diogeneslaertius
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Lloyd's a baller what can you say thats how these NWO gangbangers roll

we make it

they take it

Wed, 08/22/2012 - 10:15 | 2727103 diogeneslaertius
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a perfect storm of tyranny long looked for within the alternative news all coming to head as if it were planned out decades in advance?

an engineered GEC leading up to a deliberately fomented ...

 

 

say it aint so aunty em, say it aint so

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