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Guest Post: Is There No Shame?
Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform
Is There No Shame?
“Never be afraid to raise your voice for honesty and truth and compassion against injustice and lying and greed. If people all over the world…would do this, it would change the earth. ” - William Faulkner
I wish I could believe William Faulkner’s advice was possible in the world we live in today. But sadly, I am losing hope in our civilization. We seem to have entered a death spiral with little likelihood of pulling out. Our society has become so degraded and our populace so apathetic and willfully ignorant, that I think we are too far gone to recover. Honesty, truth and compassion have been soundly defeated by injustice, lying and greed. Our technologically advanced society has become a stinking cesspool, devoid of humanity, common sense and morality. Those with the power and wealth who control our country do not concern themselves with quaint concepts like good and evil, right and wrong, or moral and immoral. Sociopaths see no obligation to society, humanity, or posterity. They only care about themselves, their wealth, their status, their reputation, and their control of others. They are incapable of feeling shame or remorse. They blindly march forward towards their own and society’s self-destruction.
Joe Paterno was fired by the Penn State Board of Trustees on Wednesday night as head football coach of Penn State. It was the first good decision that has been made in the last two decades by the leaders of Penn State. The man was told that his Defensive coordinator was seen in the locker room shower raping a 10 year old boy in 2002. He did not call the police and report this crime. He and the other top officials at Penn State brushed this crime under the rug, allowing at least seven more young boys to be raped by this monster. The 28 year old graduate assistant not only did nothing to stop the crime he witnessed, but he accepted a position as an assistant coach, knowing that Paterno and the Athletic Director never did anything to hold Sandusky accountable for his crime. Sandusky was still on campus working out as of last week. The actions of all the players in this disgusting example of how far our society has degenerated are enough to make someone lose all hope for humanity:
- Jerry Sandusky creates a charitable organization so he can gain access to little boys. Multiple incidents are witnessed on campus from 1994 through 2002. A mother reports Sandusky to the Penn State police in 1998 and nothing is done by the men in the Administration. The investigation is dropped, but Tim Curley forces Sandusky to retire in 1999. It is clear that everyone in the top echelon of Penn State knew Sandusky was a deviant pedophile. But letting it become public would have been a black mark on the football program and could have reduced the huge profits generated by Paterno’s kingdom.
- After his forced retirement he is still given access to the campus and locker room facilities. He is caught having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in the locker room shower by a 28 year old man, who chooses not to intervene and save the boy. Joe Paterno does the absolute minimum when informed of this horrific crime. After this crime is covered up by all the key men running the show at Penn State, it just becomes business as usual for Joe and his cronies.
- Sandusky continues to rape little boys for the next eight years because of the cowardice and complete lack of morality exhibited by the men in high places at Penn State.
- With the issuance of the grand jury report last week, the psychotic nature of these men was on display for the world to witness. In a stunning display of arrogance and hubris, Paterno and the President of Penn State announced their full support for the Athletic Director and VP of Finance who were arrested. These men did not think they did anything wrong. They clung to the fact that they adhered to the laws created by other men. In a despicable display, Joe Paterno led a cheer at a pep rally in front of his house with his arms raised in victory. At least eight boys had their lives ruined and Joe Paterno leads a cheer.
- The Board of Trustees summoned the courage to fire Paterno and the President last night. In another display that makes me wonder about the future of our country, thousands of students rioted in support of Joe Paterno, breaking windows, turning over news vans, and starting fires. Are these young people incapable of critical thinking and are just driven by emotion and mindless rage? Can’t they distinguish between facts and lies? Do they care more about football than innocent children being raped?
I have been blind with rage for the last week as I’ve watched the powerful men of Penn State attempt to retain their power and reputations at the expense of truth, honesty, and accepting responsibility for their actions and willful inaction. As I’ve watched this tragedy unfold I was struck by the thought process of rich men in positions of power. They have huge egos and believe they are above the law. They think so highly of themselves they believe they can make the rules and ignore the laws which the little people must follow. They have no moral compass whatsoever. They cannot be shamed. The most despicable behavior by prominent men has been willfully overlooked because these men generate $50 million of profit per year for the university. Their sociopathic desire to protect their reputations and power has led to a scandal of such epic proportions that it will haunt Penn State forever and has permanently damaged the institution.
This is an institutional cancer that eats away at the fabric of our society. It is not isolated to Penn State. It is a societal sickness that threatens to overwhelm every facet of our lives. There is a constant thread that runs through every incident that comes to light. In 99% of the cases it is men protecting men. Money and greed always trump morality and truth. The exact circumstances can be observed in the priest abuse scandal that has rocked the Catholic Church in the last five years. Pedophile priests have existed within the Catholic Church for decades. The Penn State situation shows that pedophiles exist everywhere in our society. The bottom line is that they are sick men and need to be locked up and kept away from little boys. There is no more heinous criminal act than a grown man raping a little boy. Anyone who does this is pure evil and must be punished.
The Catholic Church’s wealth is almost beyond measurement. There are 1.2 billion Catholics in the world. The pope is one of the most powerful men on earth. Cardinals and bishops throughout the world wield tremendous influence over their flocks. As young Catholic boys you are taught that priests represent Jesus Christ on earth. They are treated with reverence and fear by little Catholic boys. Little Catholic boys would never question the motives of a priest. They are taught to obey, because a priest is the same as Jesus Christ. These beliefs allowed pedophile priests to prey on thousands of little boys around the world for decades with little or no backlash. Those crimes were horrific enough by themselves, but the actions of the bishops, cardinals and even the popes who have known about these crimes make it ten times worse. Again, powerful men will ignore rules, regulations, laws and simple human decency in order to protect their wealth, power, and reputations. Cardinals and bishops knew that priests were raping little boys and their solution was to transfer them to another parish where they could find fresh meat. The thought never entered their minds to turn these perverts in to the police. Their only concern was how a scandal would impact their beloved institution. Little boys were sacrificed at the altar of the Catholic Church by evil men.
The cover-up continues to this day. The Catholic Church uses the statute of limitations as their defense against the continuous stream of cases that continue to mount. They secretly pay out hundreds of millions to the victims as long as they promise to keep quiet. They use bankruptcy laws to close down parishes and avoid paying civil penalties for the crimes committed by its hierarchy. They hire public relations firms to create false and misleading stories designed to obscure the truth about the biggest criminal conspiracy in history. The powerful sociopathic men who were supposed to represent Christian teachings have destroyed the lives of thousands of boys in order to protect their institution. The end result is that in addition to the thousands of lives destroyed by the pedophile priests, hundreds of thousands of Catholics have lost faith in the leadership and have abandoned the church. The wealth these sociopaths attempted to protect has been eroded as donations have dried up and lawsuit payouts have mounted.
Not only have our educational and religious institutions failed us, but our financial and political institutions have spectacularly self-destructed over the last decade. Shockingly, these institutions have been run predominantly by men. At one time banks were stodgy institutions that abhorred risk and methodically made profits year after year by lending to people and businesses capable of paying them back. Investment firms were partnerships. If any one partner was to take an excessive risk, they could wipe out the personal wealth of the other partners. Therefore, they never took excessive risks or used excessive leverage. Their boring business model generated modest profits year after year. The officers of banks and investment houses were well compensated, but not excessively so. The leaders of these firms were children of the Great Depression. They understood bad times.
During the 1990's they were displaced by a new generation of leaders. This has not turned out well for our country. These psychopathic CEOs were given the green light by their fellow psychopaths in Congress and at the Federal Reserve to loot and pillage to their heart’s delight. This conspiracy of thieves broke down the barriers between traditional banking and gambling using excessive leverage. They captured the regulatory agencies that were supposed to police them and leveraged their bets 30 to 1. They created fraudulent mortgage instruments designed to lure the stupid and crooked. They marketed debt to anyone with a breath and ability to scratch an X on a piece of paper. They designed derivatives so complex that even their own Harvard MBAs couldn’t figure out how they worked. They bribed rating agencies into stamping a AAA credit rating on crap so toxic that they joked about the idiots they were selling it to. They shorted the very same derivatives they were selling to their clients. These psychopaths raked in hundreds of billions in fees, salaries and bonuses, while detonating a nuclear bomb on the worldwide financial system.
When their bets came up craps, they had the gall to hold the American people hostage for trillions in bailouts. Their fellow psychopaths in Congress gladly forked over the money. Rather than mend their ways, these evil men have returned to their excessive risk taking and continue to pay themselves billions in compensation, while the American middle class is smothered to death under mountains of debt. These evil Wall Street geniuses have shown no remorse as seven million people have lost their jobs and millions more have lost their homes due to the greed and avarice displayed on an epic scale.
Wall Street bankers exhibit the epitome of psychopathic behavior, showing lack of empathy and remorse, shallow emotions, egocentricity, and deceptiveness. Psychopaths are highly prone to antisocial behavior and abusive treatment of others. Though lacking empathy and emotional depth, they often manage to pass themselves off as average individuals by feigning emotions. These Wall Street bankers will never willingly accept responsibility for their actions. They continue to use their wealth and power to control the politicians in Washington DC and the misinformation propagated by the corporate media they control. They own and control the Federal Reserve and will print money until the whole system collapses in a spectacular implosion that destroys our financial system. They only care about their own wealth, influence and status. They have no shame.
When I consider all that is wrong in our society, I become despondent, angry and despairing for the future of our country. It seems that everyone in positions of power across the spectrum of education, religion, finance, and politics are psychopaths, bent upon self-destruction no matter the cost to society or unborn generations. Our nation has degenerated into an egocentric, self-loathing, vain, shallow excuse for a civilization. There is anger flaring up, but it is just as likely to be misdirected and misinformed. The lack of critical thinking skills and the overwhelming effects of media propaganda has so degraded the intelligence of the populace that when the system breaks down in the next few years, the masses will clamor for a savior rather than seeking truthful answers and willingly making the sacrifices required to get our nation back on track. This country will get what it deserves – a despotic ruler and a brutish civilization governed on the basest of principles. This is what happens when a society rewards lying and greed over honesty and compassion. There are consequences to actions and inactions alike. We’ve made our choice.
“By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.” - Adolf Hitler
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Exactly.
The corrupting effect of power and wealth in the modern world is at the heart of a great deal of our problems. This corruption is the underlying reason we need decentralization, both economically and politically.
Ignoring essays like this and focusing solely on the numbers is the very definition of not seeing the forest for the trees.
"we need decentralization, both economically and politically."
Yes. Absolutely.
Problem is, when these wretches try to fill that void with material stuff (like fiat..er..money), it doesn't quench. So their pathological depravation turns carnal. It is not a new phenomenon nor one that we will be able to rid of on our own.
Those that reject or turn away from the One that can fill that void, that depravity, are bound to commit such things.
Anal raping children is EVIL,
BITCHEZZZZZ!
The fact is that this disgusting shit is in a Grand Jury testimony given by an eyewitness. Regardless though, you're wrong in your assumption that economics is somehow disconnected from man and man's morality. We can easily trace the fall of true Capitalism to the unethical and illegal establishment of the Federal Reserve. And we can probably trace the roots of the Fed to the psychopathic behavior of a few historical figures and their relentless pursuit for power and control (Rothchild, Rockefeller, Woodrow Wilson, Thomas Edison (look up Edison, he's a piece of shit), all members of the Fabian Society...)
So try not to be so short-sighted... the sociopathic/psychopathic behavior displayed by the Penn State powers that be, is the very same behavior displayed by TPTB of global politics and finance: Bernanke (fuck the masses, my banking buds will get rich), Obama (fuck the Constitution, Founders didn't know shit), Bush (fuck the costs (both in lives and dollars), Iraq is strategic), Geithner (I'm too important to pay taxes), and don't forget Clinton (Lewinski)...
It is all economics!!!!!
These jackasses wouldn't speak up because of their jobs, the money, and the power of the program. If it was some cub scout troop and some shitbag neighbor was doing this crap the town would eagerly burn it all down....
but its the money. It is all economics. which is why the stakes need to be higher.....
Which is why the death penalty needs consideration....cuz that ain't money.
Do you think God is going say, "jeez, Joe, thanks for not killing that pile of shit. I'm real glad you let him fuck over dozens of my children. That was some real Christian like behavior..."
If we are willing to put heinous murderers to death why not child molesters? I am sure that many kids that have had to try to live after these pervs have mind-and-body-fucked them would have preferred death. Which makes murder less of a crime....It is sick. They don't need help. They need help being ushered out of this world and onto their appointment with their maker.
Or maybe we just need a law that states that if you are the parent of a child that is molested that you cannot be tried for murder in the death of the perp (or anyone that supported the perp)....just sayin'.
Defending these a holes is disgusting. They deserve a slow, painful death. And if Paterno knew, him too. I don't give a shit if he won every game he coached. His name should be scrubbed from history.
Or maybe we just need a law that states that if you are the parent of a child that is molested that you cannot be tried for murder in the death of the perp
+1
Guys like Sandusky are so sick, that cutting off their manhood wouldn't even be enough to keep them from continuing the abuse.
Get lost, ya dumb shit
eisley79,
If you don't get it,
a) you never will
and
b) you are, in fact, The Problem
Apparently about 5% of people are socio/psychopaths with little ability to empathize and empirically measured diminished levels of oxytocin (a neurotransmitter associated with forming interpersonal relationships) and, incidentally, destroyed by testosterone (no doubt high amongst the football fraternity). They're chemically malfunctioning individuals.
So it follows that ~5% of the people commenting here on ZH are also psycho. Eisley79 seems like a good candidate. Can't imagine a normal person would take such a flaming and not back down.
I'm a father and an uncle, many others here are too. It's impossible to read an article like this, think of my own little ones and not feel fucking sick. That appalling feeling massively overrides the notion that this post is a bit off topic compared to the usual headlines here at ZH, which makes me question the moral compass of a person who focuses primarily on the latter. Such a person is obviously not feeling the same disgust as me and that makes my psycho alert go off.
I assume everyone has seen this unfinished documentary.
@eis79
Let´s inject a little economics into the problem. (No pun intented.)
This introduction on Inductive Reasoning says it all. Just look at the chair!
http://tuvalu.santafe.edu/~wbarthur/Papers/El_Farol.html
Inductive Reasoning and Bounded Rationality
(The El Farol Problem)
by W. Brian Arthur [1]
Stanford University and Santa Fe Institute
Paper given at the American Economic Association Annual Meetings, 1994
Session: Complexity in Economic Theory, chaired by Paul Krugman.
Published in American Economic Review (Papers and Proceedings), 84,406-411, 1994.
The type of rationality we assume in economics--perfect, logical, deductive rationality--is extremely useful in generating solutions to theoretical problems. But it demands much of human behavior--much more in fact than it can usually deliver. If we were to imagine the vast collection of decision problems economic agents might conceivably deal with as a sea or an ocean, with the easier problems on top and more complicated ones at increasing depth, then deductive rationality would describe human behavior accurately only within a few feet of the surface. For example, the game Tic-Tac-Toe is simple, and we can readily find a perfectly rational, minimax solution to it. But we do not find rational "solutions" at the depth of Checkers; and certainly not at the still modest depths of Chess and Go.
There are two reasons for perfect or deductive rationality to break down under complication. The obvious one is that beyond a certain complicatedness, our logical apparatus ceases to cope--our rationality is bounded. The other is that in interactive situations of complication, agents can not rely upon the other agents they are dealing with to behave under perfect rationality, and so they are forced to guess their behavior. This lands them in a world of subjective beliefs, and subjective beliefs about subjective beliefs. Objective, well-defined, shared assumptions then cease to apply. In turn, rational, deductive reasoning--deriving a conclusion by perfect logical processes from well-defined premises--itself cannot apply. The problem becomes ill-defined.
Hume´s skepticism on inductive reasoning leads him to advocate common sense as anyone should in witnessing the breakdown of critical thinking, morality, and humanity on the planet.
These TPTB know about bounded rationality and are hiding their evil behind it.
Your Strawman argument is like a line from a 9th grade book on the Principles of Rhetoric. You better get crackin if you wanna catch up.
"Say it ain't so, Joe."
Better?....
"Clueless Joe."
lang lebe der fuhrer Adolf Hitler
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The Federal Reserve has been doing the same thing for over 100 years.
You assholes just don't get it, there is a vast Pedophile structure worldwide.
Google the Franklin Coverup, diddling little boys at the Reagan White House.
How about Pete Townshend given three days warning before the police checked his computers for kiddie porn. THREE FUCKING DAYS TO WIPE HIS DRIVES! Will you assholes get three days notice by TPTB to wash your sins?
I don't fucking think so.
In the 90's there was a very large UK Pedo bust, the one Townshend was invoilved with, because a number of rich and powerful were implicated some were allowed to walk. We all know that means walk with strings to be pulled later. Some say Barney Frank was filmed during the Franklin Coverup and has been manuevered ever since.
About every five years there is a massive European Pedophile bust. I think the most recent was in Spain. Those busts are not limited to one sepecific nation or area. Lots of people get rounded up.
But how many see jail? Naturally those low on the totem pole do, but others skate.
At least as far as their leashes allow.
Did anyone know that Isaac Asimov's son was busted with one of the largest collections of kiddie porn in the US?
I doubt it.
Despite Europe having arrests of Pedophile rings they RARELY happen in the US. Is it because we have no organized kiddie fiddlers?
FUCK NO! It's because many are well connected, like Townshend. In Petes case the police went through the motions and paid him a visit. You know that air of legitamacy.
That don't happen in the US. The majority just NEVER GET ARRESTED!
YES, exactly. Huge numbers of the elite engage in these filthy practices.
The Catholic Church's problems with this are a tiny sideshow compared to what goes on in the corridors of money and power. The Church got thrown under the bus in order to create a smokescreen for the much more systematic and depraved debauchery that the power elites engage in.
Now we are learning that Sandusky was running a pedophilia ring for the benefit of rich donors, who obviously used their money and power to intimidate anyone they had to to keep this thing under wraps.
What happened at Penn State is a microcosm of what has been going on for decades amongst the elites.
Now you want to blame elite when it comes close to our religion. But you have no problem blaming Jew for all the problem on earth. Guess this time it's harder for you to make case and blame Jew for your bad breath.
Duh, isn't Monty Python full of references to pedophilia?
Anonymous isn't happy about it, either:
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/10/anonymous-takes-down-darknet-child-porn-site-on-tor-network.ars
Awesome
OT, but I like this one too:
http://www.firstpost.com/tech/anonymous-mexico-denies-threat-to-los-zetas-drug-cartel-120040.html
Some of us get it.
You assholes just don't get it, there is a vast Pedophile structure worldwide.
Google the Franklin Coverup, diddling little boys at the Reagan White House.
How about Pete Townshend given three days warning before the police checked his computers for kiddie porn. THREE FUCKING DAYS TO WIPE HIS DRIVES! Will you assholes get three days notice by TPTB to wash your sins?
I don't fucking think so.
In the 90's there was a very large UK Pedo bust, the one Townshend was invoilved with, because a number of rich and powerful were implicated some were allowed to walk. We all know that means walk with strings to be pulled later. Some say Barney Frank was filmed during the Franklin Coverup and has been manuevered ever since.
About every five years there is a massive European Pedophile bust. I think the most recent was in Spain. Those busts are not limited to one sepecific nation or area. Lots of people get rounded up.
But how many see jail? Naturally those low on the totem pole do, but others skate.
At least as far as their leashes allow.
Did anyone know that Isaac Asimov's son was busted with one of the largest collections of kiddie porn in the US?
I doubt it.
Despite Europe having arrests of Pedophile rings they RARELY happen in the US. Is it because we have no organized kiddie fiddlers?
FUCK NO! It's because many are well connected, like Townshend. In Petes case the police went through the motions and paid him a visit. You know that air of legitamacy.
That don't happen in the US. The majority just NEVER GET ARRESTED!
The elite literally getting away with murder, imagine that--your comment rings true.
Below is a scanned copy of the front page article on the Franklin Case published by the Washington Times on June 29, 1989. To read the text of this Washington Times article in an easier to read format, click here. "Conspiracy of Silence" is a powerful, disturbing Discovery Channel documentary revealing lots more on this nationwide child abuse and pedophilia ring that leads to the highest levels of government. To watch this powerful documentary on the astounding Franklin case and learn more, click here.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control/19890629_washington_times_franklin_affair
Kitty Kelley wrote a book about the Bush family that was treated as malicious gossip by the mainstream media. The reporting by the Washington Times was also mocked and given the stamp of gossip by TPTB.
Stamp of gossip indeed.
The documentary of the Franklin case is on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3IsCPOADc4
The Federal Reserve has been doing the same thing for over 100 years.
I did not know they had a time machine. Didn't the Federal Reserve Act come in December, 1913?
10 yr olds on Campus? In the football team's showers? I'm not defending the guy, but really. The kid would never have made it to the showers, or across campus, without being noticed as out of place. Come on, people who allegedly witnessed this and did nothing, would have had many sleepless nights since 2002 and would look like hell right now or be dead. The correct thing to do was to fire the Pres. & Coach, but it doesn't take the place of a full investigation, which is what we need to wait for before jumping to conclusions here.
Sandusky ran a children's organization on campus in the Atheletic department. The children would have been a normal and regular sighting.
Sleepless nights? Really? Like Jaime Demon, Dick Cheney, GHB, Henry Kissinger, etc? It seems you can't kill Cheney...
Jump to conclusions? No. Fire people before it happens again? Yes.
Do humanity a favor and get the fuck off of the internet.
extreme reach - this submission is irresponsible. you have no idea what paterno was told. we do know he didn't the authority to conduct an investigation. that's the AD's job. he did exactly what he was supposed to do. it's sickening how easily people advocate public hangings based on hyperbole and conjecture. how about sticking to facts?
Please remember to have your pedophiles spayed or neutered.
"Castration doesn't take a lot of balls to perform."
It really helps when you spay with a dose of 45 Acp.
Is Lorena Bobbit looking for a job?
wait untill God gets ahold of them!
Hah, that was a good one!
lol who?
Oh that fairy tale wizard guy that only helps pro athletes make clutch plays but allows millions in third world countries be exploited to no end? The same wizard that lets old geezers anally rape innocent kids in locker rooms?
Grow up.
Oh you want to blame God for letting humans bear the consequences of their actions? Next . . .
I blame god for creating individuals without empathy. I blame society for rewarding these sick fucks with power and money.
Should I repeat myself, or would you like to whine about how unfair life is a little bit more?
These sick f---s as you call them are EMPTY; they have turned away from God and they try to satisfy the void with power, money, and eventually carnal "pleasures." The sickness is an internal void.
That is the one gap in the post - the notion that these people are wealthy. They are empty and cannot quench their thirst. Money and power don't do it, so they turn to more heinous things.
All the Scripture bashers and disbelievers should know that these symptoms are well documented in the Good Book, if you take the time to READ it and UNDERSTAND what it actually says.
My two cents.
Well, if he deserves credit for the good, why wouldn't he deserve blame for the bad? Unless God's a banker...
(Personally, I don't think he deserves either, because he's not there.)
...or... maybe He/She doesn't see any of this as real. Go figure...
God must either be asleep at the switch or upstairs eating popcorn and watching this sick flick called "The Human Species" with enjoyment, because He's not doing anything about it.
What makes you think God likes watching kids getting anally raped? What makes you think he's going to stop the rapist from getting what he eventually deserves? If someone doesn't get immediatly punished for something, then God doesn't exist? And what makes you think he won't provide measures for broken people to rise above their problems and heartaches?
What, you think Obama will do better?
"What makes you think God likes watching kids getting anally raped? What makes you think he's going to stop the rapist from getting what he eventually deserves? If someone doesn't get immediatly punished for something, then God doesn't exist? And what makes you think he won't provide measures for broken people to rise above their problems and heartaches?"
sick religious freaks... only a psycho can come up with this shit.. god is man-made, and only man can come up with sick shit like this... you're just as bad as any pedo
you may be on to something... who wants a "man-made-god"? Shit... look for something alot better...
Indeed. One wonders how much longer it will take before religiosity itself will be classified as a mental illness and whether it will be included in the upcoming DSM-V !!
One must also bear in mind, however, that part of the long-term strategy of the globalists (and I believe that Jim Quinn is certainly one of their willing tools) is to systematically destroy the credibility of each of the major religions before ushering in their New World Order with its One World Religion ... Luciferianism (the worship of knowledge rather than faith in a 'god').
So far, they have succeeded in implanting these memes:
Judaism = greed
Islam = terrorism
Romanism = pedophilia
What do they have in store for Protestants? Culling? They've already tried 'heresy', but that fell out of favour....
A loving, just, all knowing, all powerful God would strike these sick fckers dead before the anal penetration and prevent lifelong mental scarring of the victims.
Btw, I'm a conservative and did not vote for Obama.
I tend to wallow in reality though. People are nothing more than overly intelligent animals with the capacity to do immense good or harm. There is no evidence to the contrary.
Indeed, the evil in this world proves that God cannot be all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful. I say he is not all-powerful. Not yet anyway, and certainly not on this planet, which is ruled by Satan. Pedophilia is one of the mechanisms by which parasitic energy creatures (demons?) feed and even reproduce, hence Satanism and pedophilia going together like pretzels and beer in elite circles. For more about the Lovecraftian horrors that secretly rule our planet and create the illusion we call reality, read this: http://www.awakeninthedream.com/wetiko/
If life was a bowl of cherries all the time, we would never have a need for God. Man walked away from God, and now suffers the consequences of his own choices. Only from the pain of those consequences is our need for God revealed to us.
He is a great mystery, and at times incomprehensible to us. But everything I read in the doubters posts is reinforcing to his nature. Evil men serve God's purposes, often unknowingly. Not all are saved, however, and thus the war on earth rages on.
I read a lot of misinformed conclusions in the disbelievers' posts...evidence of a lack of familiarity with what the Bible really says and what it does not say.
Funny how so many different people "really know what the Bible says". And they all say different things.
"God is a great mystery and at times incomprehensible to us", which is the foundation of a stong personal relationship...
"Evil men serve God's purposes", really?
"Man walked away from God", no, one man walked away from God and everyone else is paying for it?
Thus, out of ignorance and fear came the useful tool of God or Gods. An explanation for all that creates insecurity in mankind. A tool not to be wasted by those willing to use it- religion.
Funny how so many different people "really know what the Bible says". And they all say different things.
Tell me how much of the Bible you've actually read? I'm betting it would fill less space than your last post. I always say that it is the book most criticized by those who haven't read it.
"God is a great mystery and at times incomprehensible to us", which is the foundation of a stong personal relationship...
He reveals enough of Himself to provide assurance in what we can discern and strengthens faith in what we cannot.
"Evil men serve God's purposes", really?
Absolutely and all the time. Did not Pontius Pilate serve God's purposes? What about King Saul, Ahmenotep II, Jacob, Reuben, Ahab, Artaxerxes, etc., etc., etc.
"Man walked away from God", no, one man walked away from God and everyone else is paying for it?
Adam was made in the image of God; all of Adam's offspring are in the (sinful) image of Adam. We are all yoked by original sin.
Thus, out of ignorance and fear came the useful tool of God or Gods. An explanation for all that creates insecurity in mankind. A tool not to be wasted by those willing to use it- religion.
Of what am I ignorant? Of what am I insecure?
+1 Green Arrow for the courage to ask real questions.
I've read the Bible cover to cover many times. I used to teach it to Sunday school adult classes and high school groups.
My first question you didn't answer. You attempt to damage my credibility by assuming I'm ignorant. So, obviously, what you say is not very accurate.
God's decisions to reveal himself have been pretty darn minimal: In the Garden, a burning bush, the occasional angelic representative- not the same thing, and Jesus. (Saul of Tarsus may have been lying). You merely have the words compiled by a select group that left some in and some out-hundreds of years after the fact.
Like I said, one man makes a mistake and we all pay for it. You have no answer- you are parroting a response.
You need an answer for all you cannot explain and you choose a particular religion. Ignorance is normal, we are all ignorant. Security is resolved through human devices of the mind and spirit.
By the way, if your faith is an anchor that allows you to be a better person than you would be without it, it has tremendous benefit- to you. Good luck.
I'm sorry for the perspective you hold, and for making a wrong assumption. I hope and pray that you will find what you seek.
We do need challenges to grow but ass-rapings cripple these kids for life. I also doubt they walked away from God until AFTER they were ass-raped. Would an all-loving God allow collective punishments like this, if he could stop them? I bet he has a lot on his plate and can't stop even a small fraction of the evil shit that happens on Satan's planets.
Would an all-loving God allow collective punishments like this, if he could stop them?
Couple of harsh truths:
1) We live in a broken world of our own accord; God gives us freewill but never abandons us. The consequences of our actions are our own doing;
2) As Paul writes in Romans, "there is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." In other words, neither you, nor the Pope nor anyone else is any better of his/her own accord than Sandusky. We apply scalars to sins that God doesn't recognize.
3) God can stop these things. Familiar with the story of how he dealt with such behavior in Gommorah? None were spared except Lot through the pleading of his uncle. Would you think it justified if God rained down fire and consumed each and every one of us because of the behavior of these folks. BTW, refer back to #2.
Selah...
And I've always wondered why Lot was even spared, since he offered his daughters to the group of sexed crazed men outside of his house to do with them what they pleased...
and the after all hell broke lose on the two towns, somehow managed to screw his daughters and get them pregnant while being piss-assed drunk.
And Second Peter says Lot was a righteous man...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5X4N2exOsU
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Tom Waits/Cookie Monster mashup - God's Away On Business
The Old Testament book of Ecclesiastes addresses your concern. It puts forth the supposition that everything is vanity (done in vain), meaningless, if there is no God. Since we cannot read God's mind, or know his timetable, we have to either trust Him or fall into despair. Read Ecclesiastes. Decide for yourself.
Man walks away from God. Man thus suffers the consequences of his own actions. Man then blames God or further distances himself from Him by claiming He was never there to begin with.
It's a nasty cycle the devil feeds, no?
+1 to you GeezerGeek
You're assuming God and the devil exist. There is zero evidence that either exist. There is nothing to walk away from if one is honest wth oneself.
The victims suffer the consequences more than the perpetrators.
False choices. We can choose to celebrate life and accept what we do not know. My work is not meaningless. My relationships are not meaningless. My life experiences are not meaningless.
This is what happens when you accept the words of those that would bind you for their own purposes. You accept their version of life and reject all others. Regardless of the consequences.
i continue my pursuits with the initial perspective that
language and therefore all concepts and ideas are fluid,
plastic and generally misused and poorly understood and
interpreted by even our most enlightened fellows. we have
all been given a great gift and know not what to do with it.
best to you. from the text below.
" Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”? " ...
yes. everything is new if you can see, if not everything
is dead and we are blind, following the herd to slaughter.
grief is good ! pain the only reliable instructor. not to
inflict it, to experience it for yourself and your fellows,
empathy is a powerful capacity, a human capacity leading to
a degree of wisdom i guess.
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Ecclesiastes 1
Everything Is Meaningless
1 The words of the Teacher,[a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”
3 What do people gain from all their labors
at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.
Wisdom Is Meaningless
12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.
15 What is crooked cannot be straightened;
what is lacking cannot be counted.
16 I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” 17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.
18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.
How come the media never mentions all the pedophile Rabbis? In one neighborhood in Brooklyn alone there were more pedophile cases last year than than there were cases of pedophile priests in the whole nation, yet the controlled media somehow ignores that fact.
oh they're on to you. don't you fret none.
<--- Jerry Sandusky is Jewish.
<--- Jerry Sandusky is Not Jewish.
Having trouble with this one, so let's put it to a poll.
well looks like he is a schlepper.........
You seem to know yiddish, mister obvious. Such good yiddish for pretend jew hater.
Quick google search lazy asses. Sandusky pervert is a methodist.
He should check the sick ass sexual proclivities of the entire ME before he throws shit up on the wall of just one.
Because Israhole, it's mostly Christian affliction. Maybe you should wake up and realize your prejudice is with wrong religion.
The sooner we call out sick fucks better, I worry for my son.
mostly a 'christian' affliction? funny, i don't recall the original christian teaching anything about how its ok to rape, boys, girls, women or men.
The christian communion, the cornerstone of the catholic eucharist, the act of receiving wine and bread, is a representation of receiving the power-elite's menstrua and semen.
eeewwww. Glad I am not religious.
John39, maybe not teaching, but more pedophile homosexual among Christian clergy than other religion, anyone can look up. The sooner we call it out the sooner it's finish.
You should stop your hate filled anti semitic rants against Jew, you lose crediblity.
Did you know that many Jewish guys have gotten their first blow job from a rabbi...and their first STD too?
You call this blow job? you must get pretty bad blow jobs.
I want to know why so many who come to ZH hate Jews. I think they're great. Smart, funny, most I know honest and straightforward. Sure there are egotistical Jewish people, but mostly seem pretty nice to me also generous and give a lot of money to charity.
I would call sucking the blood from a baby boy's injured penis Satanic; the same for fucking 10 year old boys in the ass in the shower room at Penn State.
This seems to be a rare part of bris.
And you're disgusting if you think a rabbi in ceremony with newborn and all family and friends is same as rape of 10 year old child. What are you protecting?
More like what are you protecting? If you aren't disgusted by the ritual of metzitzah b'peh, it's pretty clear that your first blow job came from the bearded lips of your rabbi.
Just be glad you're not one of these folks:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/149190
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel-police-uncovers-organ-trafficking-ring-in-north-1.905
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/Israel+News/38973/CNN:+Israel+a+Leader+in+Organ+Trafficking.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/faithbased/2009/07/organ_failure.html
what is the definition of a jew?
Practice faith, or born with Jewish mother. What is your problem with the Jew? Now I want to hear, what is the horror story of Jewish people for you.
born of a jewish mother? hmmm. so you are saying it has nothing to do with the land called judea in ancient israhole? correct? so if this is the case then what is a jew? somewhere in the last two centuries the real and true meaning of that term has been lost in the fog of war......
Through history man has used Jew to deflect from own problem with people. Blame Jew to hide self. What are you hiding? Are you in oil industry? I question recent rise in anti semitism, think it might be orchestrated.
oh please. can we have a decent conversation about this? i mean after all. what are the ramifications of the meaning of this word? for example, if the christian zionist found out that the modern day jews are not , God's chosen people and that they have no right to the land called palestine, not now, not ever and that they are not jews in the classic sense, then sir, would you think that perhaps this wouid light a fire in the minds of men that could not be put out? hmmm....?
I dont hate jews.
How could anyone hate Captain Kirk or Jerry Seinfield?
Eew gross.
Jews must be sick fucks, except the reformed type. I dont think they give babies blow jobs, do they?
Never did I bring anything about any specific religion there buddy. If you are going to go on a rampage, at least pull punches that have some basis for a reasonable argument. Otherwise, fuck off. It is pretty clear that your aggenda is founded in either poor sport or complete ignorance. Neither deserves any further comment - so piss off.
edit: oh, I get it. You thought I said jeeeewwwww... instead of eeeewwwww. Hahahahahahahah.
double
Actually, the Catholics believe that when the priest waves his arms around and mumbles some stuff the bread and wine turn into Jesus' actual body. So it's more like cannibalism. Not that there's anything wrong with it.
Drinking blood and eating flesh. Does it get any more atavistic? Oh yeah, buggery of little boys behind the altar...but I mean, besides that...
Transubstantiation.
Can you believe people used to fight wars over that? Sounds more like monty python.
"It does too turn into blood and flesh!"
"Does not!"
"Does too!"
there was a time in europe that if anyone said some of the things that are said around here, they would find themselves being burned at the stake.......
there was a time in europe that if anyone said some of the things that are said around here, they would find themselves being burned at the stake.......
Most people don't grasp that the treatises written on the concept of transubstantiation could fill multiple libraries. My favorite remarks on the subject are from Luther ;-)
wycliffe was the man long before luther ever was. he wrote about this nonsense.
The christian communion, the cornerstone of the catholic eucharist, the act of receiving wine and bread, is a representation of receiving the power-elite's menstrua and semen.
You always seek to outdo yourself with your shock-jock antics. In terms of adding something substantive or pleasantly witty to the thread, you must have the lowest batting average of any ZHer anywhere. Try to give us a little thought, even once in a while. 'nuff said.
I don't think pedophilia is a particularly christian problem. Perverts going back to Greek pedaresty, Africa, the Middle East and beyond would like to have a talk in the shower with you both.
You're entirely correct Silver. The comments above are from malicious atheists, skinheads and time-sink trolls.
i believe pedo stats have repeatedly proven to be evenly distributed amongst all flavours of skyman theories and amongst those void of skyman stories also.. the sickening aspect is the large skyman organisations actually covering up these offences and moving offenders to new parishes to reoffend etc etc...
Not surpising, given these organizations empower the people within in them. At some point, it always comes back to defense of the institution as a form of self-defense.
Which is the reason why I don't like institutions of any flavor. All are corrupted over time.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Tu Ne Cede Malice!
Unfortunately, you're wrong. I don't have time to show you links, but research has studied and it's bigger problem in Christian church.
You're probably right. It is a bigger problem in the Church. In Synagogue it's no problem, no one has a problem with it at all.
is sandusky a jewish name? just sayin......
Polish, creep
well it could be a yiddish derivative. the truth will come out. i am suspicious.........
I resemble that remark.
Wife is Jewish and says no pedophile in synagogue. And I hear her mother's gossip. It's usually husband fucking secretary.
We need to figure out why it's more problem for some and not other so we can change and stop abuse, my boy will go to church too and in sports, I don't want him to worry about pervert.
Excellent research.
"Wife is Jewish and says no pedophile in synagogue."
this article quotes an admittedly christian based report that states that babysitters familly and friends are more likely to abuse..
i would be interested in any refutal of these claims ...besides a bullet in the head for every one of them.. and every bastard involved in covering up.. no mnmatter how elaborate your pointey skyman hat is or is not...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/28/sex-abuse-religion-vatican
sick fking world
if i witnessed that i would kill
took asst coach job after seeing anal on 10 year old
sick fuck
Exactly, who walks away from that!? Beat him to death and save the kid.
Shame and dignity went out the door with personal accountability.
The enablers at Penn State should hang.
Witness and not report = accessory and go to jail. Receive the report from a witness and not report to authorities = accessory and go to jail.
Indeed this is an example of when deadly force is completely justifiable.
Sadly that fucker (Mike McQueary) will still be coaching on Saturday. He should be in jail with the pedophile.
Is that really his name? McQueary? Really?
He changed it from Saynuffin.
Pedo is out on bail.
without a doubt.....no doubt....paterno did what he was suppose to do technically.....but this whole blow up is a thing of beauty really...it just shines the light on what is REALLY goning on..
And seriously...if you buy these kids Ipods, Ipads, weed, booze, coke etc. etc....WHY WOULD THEY SAY ANTHING? On top of them feeling embarrassed to begin with....
Human nature really....sucks to be me.....
obummer said that the wall street fucks didn't 'technically' break any laws.
Penn State was taking management classes from the vatican
No. Next question.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing.
Edmond Burke
Hear, hear!!!!
A great quote, but in this case, who exactly were the "good people?" I thought Paterno fit the bill until this incident, but I was apparently mistaken. He seems to have only been concerned with protecting his kingdom.
I agree. Great quote.
Maybe I am biased, but I think that any adult who enables or facilitates or remains silent about the continued rape of children is morally reprehensible. But instead of jail or death, I advocate banishment. Send Paterno to an island, by himself. It can be radioactively contaminated since he's an old guy and probably won't die of cancer (due to the radiation). That would be a good use for some of those otherwise-unoccupied islands.
We have to start getting creative, folks!
What exactly does "greed" mean, and why is it bad, exactly?
Good luck getting that answered. It is always a fun conversation to have with those OWS
Dont argue with them.
Be nice to left wing girls and you will get laid. Specially if you bail one out of jail.
Besides, do you really care if it is a leftist or a libertarian who shoots mozillo, blankfein, or paulson?
Shit getting real at Penn State. Donors are getting nervous and the DA formally on the case has been missing since 2005.
They did find his lap top with the hard drive missing. Apparently, you don't f*** with Pann State boosters.
If anyone goes to prison for this deal, they better not drop the soap.
Internatinal banking cartel, big oil and big college you don't talk speak or interfere with that money train or you disappear
Yea. All these state college boosters are just jocks who couldn't cut it. I doubt there is much difference from state to state. But they do make for good goons.
Hey ZHers. Be careful with the PSU situation. Do not allow yourselves to be drawn into mainstream media coverage. Get your info from independent sources and try to avoid hyperbolic, puritanical epistles of the type we are here responding to.
Just one little old cockroach in one locker room, eh?
Let's not forget the rioting student body who apparently advocates raping children as long as you have a successful football program. Pimping out the same kids to wealthy boosters is also acceptable. These are the same bright minds taking dumps on cop cars and flags at OccupySesameStreet.
Oh, you know how it is. Their fantasy football scores are being affected! And don't forget Vegas, they need their beer money, and student loans don't cover that.
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There is more to this story than meets the eye.
Paterno being fired for "not going to the police" WITH HEARSAY EVIDENCE is pure bullshit. The individual who witnessed the act is the one who needed to report it to police, not someone who supposedly saw nothing and only heard about it from someone else.
Only a moron (most Americans and 100% of Penn State students & alums) would buy this crock of shit.
In a Bloomberg article: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-09/coming-clean-is-only-play-for-p...
Reporter states that the Campus police, State College Police Department, District Attorney and Pennyslvania Departemnt of Public Welfare knew about an incident in 1998. Where's the outrgage against the state's enforcers? What persons in each of these departments knew of these allegations? What persons covered them up? This is 4 years prior to the 2002 episode that McQuery reported to Joe Paterno. People are in a rage because the cops were not called on the incident. They were, they decided to sit on the story. Look around at the corruption in government. It's pervasive. Failure of law enforcement to do it's job lead to the sodomizing of lots of children.
I fully agree, but Joepa should have done more, followed it up whatever...As a Penn State graduate, there is not much to say at this point...but some of the stuff that the media is broadcasting does not make sense..like the receiver coach seeing the kid getting raped and not saving him!!!if that was me, I would be having nightmares for the rest of my life..