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Guest Post: Those Terrorists We See in the Mirror… They Are Us
Submitted by Ben Tanosborn
Those Terrorists We See in the Mirror… They Are Us
Some of us were brought into political adulthood reading Walt Kelly’s masterful creation, Pogo, the lovable character living in the Okefenokee Swamp of Georgia. From dialogue used in that comic strip, many were the quotes that attained temporary or even permanent fame, but one topped them all: “We have met the enemy and he is us.” And Kelly’s reference point was not only the environment but his belief that we are… all of us, responsible for our myriad pollution: public, private and political.
A quote that couldn’t be more apropos to our times, and our resistance to accept that one fact which is just as important today as it was in a cartoon a half century ago. That resistance was experienced last Tuesday, September 13, during a quasi-debate among Republican contenders for the party’s nomination to the presidential elections next year. Among the eight candidates on stage was (R) Rep. Ron Paul, a long time legislator and the baton carrier for the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Ron Paul is definitely not a politician in contention to represent his party given his criticism of the existing bipartisan foreign policy and his anti-war stance. And he knows it!
In answering one of the questions, and given an opportunity to expound on his criticism of US foreign policy which makes America the policeman of the world – according to him, the congressman brought to light in a very articulate and unemotional manner the reasons why the people in the Middle East are so upset with us; to many in the audience, giving in to the rationale used by Osama Bin Laden in creating al Qaeda. How would Americans feel, he gave as an example, if they were under occupation by China and hundreds of thousands of Americans had died in the process – referring to the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died as a consequence of the US invasion.
Booing from the audience didn’t allow the congressman to finish his sentences. Ron Paul, who is a physician by training, was being honest and stating his convictions. And more than moralizing, his argument was one of true fiscal conservatism, giving an account of the waste in wars and the military, including the example of building an American embassy in Iraq at a cost of one billion dollars, a cost greater than that of the entire Vatican, he claimed – one assumes he meant just the buildings without any works of art or manuscripts. The congressman made a point of differentiating between budgeting for defense and budgeting for the military; the military being the [imperial] forces scattered in 900 bases throughout the world.
It was the first time that I had experienced seeing an American politician of that stature, Republican or Democrat, venture into that never-never land of criticism of the land of exceptionalism. It just isn’t done! Of course, Ron Paul’s was rebuked by his fellow aspirants to the presidency, the hatchet given to an ultra-right dunce (Santorum) who brought in America’s always virtuous behavior dealing with the [infidel] world.
Ron Paul’s statements of wisdom, particularly since coming from the Right, well the Fiscal Right, was certainly worth the price of the time investment I made; and it made up, as far as I am concerned, for the corrosive situation of CNN joining the Tea Party to conduct the event. Politics, the media, wealth and power… they are all enmeshed in this nation that we proclaim to be free and democratic.
Two weeks before, the results of a “comprehensive” poll by the Pew Research Center had made some analysts conclude that few Muslims feel US alienation. Actually, the resulting figures can be interpreted quite differently and in the opposite direction, almost half experiencing some form of harassment in the past year or being singled out for government surveillance. It was not a pretty picture, and it may actually be worse if the survey was not conducted under the proper statistical and operations research disciplines. [Comprehensive in that the survey had 1,033 respondents, the highest number in a Pew survey on that subject – although we are not told how the sampling was made… whether from the random Muslim population across the US, or if there was sampling concentration in ethnic-ghetto communities, biasing the results.]
To add more fuel to the fire, Danger Room [www.wired.com] just published FBI training material which teaches agents that mainstream Muslims, not just extremists, are violent and radical… and that America and Islam are necessarily in conflict.
Just as Pogo determined that we are our own enemy, we could also see ourselves as being our own terrorists. That is, if we dare look in the mirror. The Tea Party audience on September 13 was not quite ready to do just that.
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Learn how to use the Google and maybe you won't be so God damned dumb.
muslims against terrorism
About 2,920,000 results
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I am not damned of God. So if each of those hits means 1 individual "peace loving muslim" wrote some piece, then less than 1% oppose violence, and it's, in your opinion, a fuckin' consensus...who's dumb? Fuck you.
You're moving the goal posts. First you just wanted to hear some Muslims say they are against terror. Now you want every Muslim who opposes terror to build a website.
The fact remains-- you were wrong when you said that Muslims hardly ever speak out against terrorism. Please stop bearing false witness against your neighbors.
Crockett, You will banter," Govt is this, the Fed's sham, 9/11 farce, Obammy's Kenyan", yet you hang on and still yet believe Bush's "Peaceful Religion" tripe? Go to your beloved Middle East, and best to you, there. Good news is when you get there to the ME you'll save on car insurance, 'cause the wife can't drive, thus drop the kids at "football" practice. Of course, if you're gay, well, let's just say I hope you played baseball as a kid, because at some point there will be lots of stones to catch and deflect. Good "luck", with that.
I am neither a truther nor a birther. As Bugs Bunny said, "He don't know me vey well, do he?"
I simply believe in natural law and common decency. Good luck (sic) with your mantra of collectivist hatred.
Pay closer attention. There are many more violent Christians as a percentage, than violent Muslims as a percentage. Just because you're ignorant of 960M people doesn't mean they don't exist.
Did you really think they'd get time to express their views on violence on American or European media?
let me tell you something my friend. over the centuries many things have been done in the name of the Cross. but marching under the banner of the Cross , does not necessarily , a Christian make........
The truth's a bitch. Fret for your latte and fret for your car. The statement stands, freedom of speech. I see much more colorful banter concerning other groups here, and I was just being honest, not hurtful. Oh well, enjoy Sharia law, and I pray to God you'll do it over there, not here. Hock alotta loogies.
Uh. The nation followed a Ron Paul foreign policy from 1920 to 7 Dec 1941.
Paul is only about the savings not the dangers.
There will be a world policeman. You would prefer the Chinese. Or a war to settle who will do the job?
from 1920 to 1941, really?
What about the events in China? The Navy showing off off Japan's coasts etc?
No, no change in the US since its inception.
The US citizens nature is eternal.
Paul is a first generation American. He cant understand.
Huh?
And you are telling me that the toning down of Japnese foreign adventurism was a bad idea? That destroying German militarism was a waste?
Yes. As a commercial power America likes freedom of navigation of the seas. Thus the Barbary Wars and The War of 1812.
Japanese foreign adventurism?
Japanese were late comers in the great colonialist game of the 19th century.
They had their example from the US and European colonial powers.
Foreign adventurism? The whole story of the US is foreign adventurism. The Indian lands were foreign.
So putting a halt to the US foreign adventurism, that is the colonization of the Indian lands, would have been mandatory to fit that bill.
Japan copied the US. US citizens should bear with it.
As usual, AnAnonymous brings a badly needed Chinese perspective to a US blog. </sarc>
Westerners just copied Genghis Khan. Asian citizens should bear with it.
There is nothing like Asian citizens.
If so, the Chinese would not have built a great wall to insulate from Mongols invasions.
And US citizens came with their own flavour, Genghis never claim he spred freedom, justice and truth.
Sorry bud, but we should have never gotten involved in WW1. We had no fight in the matter. The American people did not support the UK and infact there was more sentiment for Germany until a big campaign about how the "Huns" were killing children and chopping off arms. A big campaign and lie that was proven to be false.
America should have never gotten involved in WW1 and then we would have not ended up with WW1 part 2.
WW1 would have ended in a stalemate and more reasonable terms on all sides if we had not gotten involved.
true, waffen, but there was money to be made.....
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I wish you hadn't and the UK hadn't had to pay off huge war debts making us far poorer than "the loosers" right up to the present day...
I'll say. How many Americans know their government demanded we repay every penny they gave us in WW2? It took about 60 years. The payments only ended in the 21st Century. That was Britain's price for fighting facism: a big bill from the USA. Sometimes I think postwar US bases in Europe were more to guarantee repayment than to 'protect us' 'dumb Europeans' from a then-bankrupt USSR that could hardly feed itself.
A price worth paying, when you consider the alternatives. You could be right about the bases, though - never been able to understand why they are still there, two decades after the end of the Cold War. (Although why are they STILL still there, even after the tab has been paid?)
Of course you'd be paying back huge war debts...in DM.
Wrong again. Germany would not have Won, it would have petered out in stalemate.
It is hard to imagine a more horrible war than WW1.
Where firepower and maneuvering met a stalemate. Brutal.
we had that debate in ROTC
the nazi's could have won the battle of britain, moscow, stalingrad and pushed through russia to the pacific......
AND THEY STILL WOULD HAVE LOST!
the war was decided in 1937, when all those scientists left germany and came to america.
we still would have had the A-BOMB, and germany was still 5 years behind us.
and president Truman would have been more than willing to throw more than just 2.
all those people died, for a foregone conclusion, such a horrible waste of lives.....
aint hindsight a bitch.....
Waffen is talking about WWI, not WWII. And I disagree that WWI would necessarily have 'petered out' - when the US entered the war, the Russians had just pulled out and 'gone Commie'. With only one front to consider and no doughboys involved, things could have got very ugly indeed...
sorry, got confused with all the different wars being thrown around above...
my bad,
on ww1, i believe the germans still would have lost, and not on the battlefield.
the german navy was muitining, the populous was staving due to the english blockade, which the u-boats couldnt break, they were having civil unrest and food riots in the cities.
same result, just more innocent blood.....
You could both well be right - it's always a tricky one, counterfactual history! However, I think if the US had remained neutral then the morale boost of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk (sp?) might well have been decisive. (Although had it been so, then presumably there would have been no Hitler... As I say, tricky one.)
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and its really easy for me to arm chair quarterback, too!
im just glad thier over.
fine, why don't you go join up and be all you can be.......good grief....
Uh. The nation followed a Ron Paul foreign policy from 1789 to 1846. During the early 20th century the United States used war as a racket to furthur certain business interests as described by US Marine General Smedley Butler:
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
MG Butler, 2 medals of honor and a brevet medal.
a true american hero, in more ways than one.....
Nice try for blaming the general population for this mess. Iam not buying that crazy shit. Over here in Europe people never wanted it and poll after poll showed it. Still we got it jammed down our throats. Now blaming the people. Wake up dude, ordinary people never wanted it. Just as it was forced upon the Americans. Gotta love the monopoly of agression against the people. Society is just a slaugherhouse.
Yep, that is the kind of stuff you come to in this US world order.
Lets see
Some governments are autocratic. Other are democratic.
In autocratic governments, the leader derives his power from himself.
In a democracy, the leader dervies his power from the consent of the governed.
Funnily enough, what is the result coming up in this US driven world?
People who live under autocratic goverments are responsible, they have not overthrown their government. So they deserve to be bombed etc when others do the 'job'
But people living in democractic nations are not responsible for their government's actions despite the fact they empower the government ruling them.
Purely insane but really typical of this US world order.
The reality is US and Europe populations are fully responsible for their government'actions when people living in dictature are not.
It is the way it works, not acknowledged though, in this US driven world.
You are gonna have to tone down the truth, most of these candy ass clowns can't deal with it.
They blame "their" gvt for all evil actions and then cast stones at people that live under other gvts far worse that are propped up by the usa murdering thugs.
classic b.s. no wonder the drug use is rampant in the usa.
they can't live with anything close to an undrugged clear eyed version.
seems the us gvt is only of "truth and light" when dealing death all over the world to prop up this free market fantasy while of course being the root of all evil at home
poor poor little us sheep.
sickos.
Are you out of your mind? We are allowed to go to the ballot box every 4 years. Lots of nice talk when its election time. Once they have the power all promisses are withdrawn and they say you voted for it even though in campaining they said the opposite. Fuck so called democratics. They are bought and paid for. My country voted down with a 2/3 ths majority the EU constitution. Still we got the fucker including the plunder. People are calling in the creditlines these fuckers have. Let it implode. Got gold and silver?
Are you out of your mind? We are allowed to go to the ballot box every 4 years. Lots of nice talk when its election time. Once they have the power all promisses are withdrawn and they say you voted for it even though in campaining they said the opposite.
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Funny.
The scheme is depicted as repeating itself.
When a scheme repeats itself, what about consenting to it repeatedly?
Yes, the strength of the US political philosophy is that the institutional power legitimacy is renewed very often.
It does not change the fact that people consent to this scheme every four years. They could withdraw their consent (without even resisting in an active way)
It is not done. Bear with it, in the West, the government are consented to and empowered by the popular will.
Can you play any other song? This Chopsticks is really getting tedious. I suspect everybody now knows your life did not turn out as you had hoped and that you've decided it is all somebody else's fault.
What other song?
I just answered with facts to people spreading propaganda. Without their propaganda, I wont tell the facts. See, action, reaction.
Yet a point of interest, so sticking to facts has to do with life not turning out as one had hoped?
That is quite a mental construction. But things of the kind have to be expected in this US driven world.
Your leaders at the time didn't want it either. In fact there was huge concern that what we are going through would be inevitable.
Agreed. Who actually voted for globalism except the international bankers and wall street using the influence of money?
If you vote for Ron Paul you at least have some knowledge of where he stands on a position. Everybody else has no alliance except to themselves. Wants some more Change from Obama? Want some Rick Perry good ole boy in Washington? Want Mr. Rupublican Mitt to lead cleaning up his bankster buddies?
No thanks
I want Sarah Palin.
I like the fact that her uber libertarian husband can whisper in her ear from time to time. And if she plays the game she has skin in it - her son.
And we will play the game. A trading power can't opt out.
I LOVE Paul on domestic issues. I give him a 99.9% rating there. International relations? He is a reversion to "A War To End All Wars" mentality. What did that get the people who supported it? A bigger war.
Nope your quite wrong, Ron Paul would have never gotten us into WW1, we had no dog in that fight.
I suspect the US PTB of the time did not want to see a unified European empire run by militaristic Germans stretching from the Atlantic coast to the Baltics.
In my bed yes, in the whitehouse - only is I can be her male version of monica lewinsky
Everybody else has no alliance except to their donors.
fixed it.
@ArkansasAngie: Your pro-Ron Paul argument is senseless. Why limit your options to ONLY those people in the Republican and Democrat parties? There is nothing in the constitution that says you have to pick only from the two mainstream sell-out parties... Pick a random guy or gal off the streets and you have a better chance than with any of these establishment-vetted pukes.
Of course Ron Paul looks way better than his degenerate competition: that's the whole point to their psy-ops. The deluded sheeple are made to think that Ron Paul is an outsider, that he is being excluded (he's not, obviously), so just like Obama (who was the 'impossible to win black man'), people end up cheering for their under-dog.
I will never again vote Republican or Democrat (not that I believe my vote is properly counted by the Diebold vote fraud machines). Can't you people tell you have blinders on? Won't you ever look past the two incoherent parties and their myriad professional liars?
It's no surprise to me that lots of people here are deluded, or that the trolls are working overtime to maintain the Ron Paul illusion, but what I do find disappointing is the constant 'subtle' pro-Ron Paul posts that constantly get published on ZH. Is this a mainstream site after all? I guess ZH won't ever cover or mention candidates from outside the mainstream, eh?
I happen to agree. I agree with Ron Paul strongly about the currency needs to be a sound currency and that wars of choice are simply wrong on every count. But that's about it. Health care is essentially unaffordable to anyone but the wealthiest or employer provided, it is a broken system that serves only the money power who sucks the life out of this country every fucking day. We already have a purely libertarian utopia for big money and mega corporations while small businesses are bound by difficult and expensive to navigate regulatory mandates. The big money mega corps easily afford or by-pass regulatory mandates and go offshore to dodge the whole thing including taxes, paying livable wages while small businesses get swallowed up in the morass.
When RP said a 30 year old in coma has to make his own decisions and is responsible for his predicament and the crowd cheered wildly ... it made me sick ... it is fucking sick ... the 'healthcare' system is sucking a wildly disportionate portion of the money from the economy and no one in elected office is or has a done a thing about it ... they are invested in it, go to work for it when they leave office and are totally corrupt if they don't go work for a bank like Phil Gramm did after destroying America's economy with his gramm-leach-bliley act of treason.
ArkansasAngie
IF Ron Paul had a snowballs cnace in hell of getting the nomination,or elected, I would vote for him in a nano second.
He doesn't.What I do want more than anything is to be rid of the scourge we have infesting the peoples house now.
Anyone else might at least be American.
We're going to fool around and get Hillary if we do not watch it, and she's as bad as what we have, if not equal.
Evil v.s Evil.
Take yer pick.
The tea party is a bunch of anti-american dumbfucks. They're even worse the democrats or regular republicans.
Each and every Republican candidate is a dumbfuck. Even Ron Paul. They all made a littany of fucktard responses which looked like I somehow fell into a vortex sliders style and came out into some weird altered universe Amerika.
Now Ron Paul DID and does have HIS moments, like the above, but even in that debate he was talking about 'risk' like some dogmatic fucktard regarding not...investment..or business..but ones life. Assuming charity would pay for the guy. (of course he'd extend this out to everybody that wasn't 30 years old) so the question was posited to make the 'decision' easy for Ron. He'd do the same for a 66 year old too.
I could go into each and every one of their anti-american, corporate, dogmatic, propaganda the tea party be spewing and as a result their candidates did at that non-event. Wasn't it great that in 'liberal' california, all those people applauded Rick Perry's murdering of an innocent person with his death penalty. Then proceeded to chant to let other people die.
The tea party isn't ready to run the PTA, let alone talk about American politics. Maybe they can talk in a room deciding things with some British Colony. Oh wait, we are. The tea party ideologically is a colony of Britain. Some American's they are. They are anti-american dumbfucks, and they aren't ready for squat.
'not quite ready'? What the fuck was that author watching. Because Ron Paul said 1 thing, the rest said 100 stupid INSANE things (including ron paul) that somehow they are JUST 'not quite ready'. Yeah and Battlefield Earth was just ' ' close from being Oscar material.
We're moving forward by going 100 steps backwards! Are we there yet? ALMOST!
Did I miss the rule where my fellow Americans had to become even more stupid as time went on and more evidence came to light (which should make this whole process easier to decipher)?
Fuck Obama. Fuck Repubs. Fuck Dems. Big Fuck You to the bankster Tea Party.
Glass-Steagall....not monetarist dogma regarding everything.
Glass Steagall and monetarist dogma actually go hand in glove with each other.
This post is the perfect example of how the propaganda of the MSM works perfectly. The Tea Party today is definitely not the same thing as when the movement started. The big-goverment republicans tried to infiltrate and marginalize it at first, and when that didn't work, they turned on the propaganda spigots full blast. I'm so tired of hearing how a group of people that think our federal government has overstepped it's constitutional bounds are "anti-american", evil terrorists, want anarchy and want to destroy our society. The mere idea that you think that Globalist, carbon taxing dickwad Rick Perry believes in one thing the Tea Party would support is proof positive your the one not catching on to the slight of hand in front of you. Sir if you and this post are "American", then I'm definitely an Anti-American dumbfuck.
yup. these MSM trolls are so boring. I hear their status quo bs everyday, all day long on CNN, MSNBC, FOX, you name it. Y A W N !!!!
Agreed. I thought the tea party was a great idea at first then I saw/heard/read it getting corrupted or infiltrated very rapidly and it turned me off. A good friend of mine is still full-on with the tea party stuff. Show me a tea party candidate that loudly says they will prosecute the bankers for fraud on a massive scale and reverse trade policy and shed the globalism Milton Friedman lie ... hello ... <crickets>. tea party represents Americans and America ideals .. my ass. All the tea party is calling for is austerity, no different than what is going on throughout europe and all in favor of international bankers who own the governments everywhere.
You don't know shit about the Tea Party. I have gone to their rallies in different states, know many of the founders and so on. The are not all any one thing. The are not lead by anyone in particular.
In some areas they have strong religious components in other areas strong libertarian. They seem to be united by the idea that something is seriously wrong in America; they don't want to go laft anymore and they'd like someone to actually stand their ground on spending and the growth of government.
What they are lacking is any particular uniting ideology. In essence, they are pretty good on what they are against but pretty bad on what they are for. Many collect SSec and Medicare yet want government to reform entitlements. To me, it is a great recruiting ground for libertarian ideology and economics. If one explained a real path forward I think many would bite.
and the PTB's just keep running the same tired script, this was in the WSJ:
U.S. Suspects Pakistan Link to Kabul Attack
the ramp up to war is the same every single time, lots of rhetoric and buzz words, a few accusations and zero evidence. of course now you have idiot commentators yelling that Pakistan should be nuked, rag heads are sub human, blah, blah blah. the sad part is this Orwell five minutes of hate, don't bother to think for yourself we will do it for you MSM propaganda routine works every single time. no matter how many lies they are caught telling, no matter how many times the case for war or "kinetic humanitarian action" falls apart under even the minimum amount of scrutiny, the public at large still just refuses to do anything more than be lemmings.
the sad part is one day soon the combination of the psychopaths running the show and an apathetic, unthinking easily lead herd public is going to get a lot of people killed, maybe billions this time. then and only then, when it's their son's and daughters being spent en mass will the public take notice and question what they have been told. what they have blindly chosen to believe out of selfish convenience and an unwillingness to apply critical thinking and personal responsibility to what their leaders are doing in their name.
of course by then it will be to late.
RIGHT ON!
Anse Intendance Investors' campaign is gaining traction
WALL STREET 9/17/2011 #OCCUPYWALLSTREET
http://www.entendance.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=762&p=19359#p19359
We've come around a bend in the river, the falls which we have been hearing for some time can now be seen. The current is so strong that we can not turn back. There is no place to land and it has become clear to almost everyone that we are about to be swept over. As we get nearer to the brink something else is visable; the river below the falls. It flows away from the noise and turbulence and winds into the future. Many will perish in the falls, and not only people but things, both concrete and abstract. The weak and the foolish, much of our planed obsolescence culture, and our paper money - these will be gone. Those who make it over will not just survive - we will thrive as honest dealing becomes the only way to deal. We are kayaking into a golden age.
I wonder if the American People have enough historical reference to understand that their country has become an empire? And if they were confronted with that reality, they would embrace it or reject it?
Will that reality be broadcast before Jersey Shore or Dancing with the Stars?
are you kidding?
avg amerikan could care less as long as fantasy football and some inspid dancing with bubba is on the clowntube.
sickos.
USA USA USA as the bombers fly over and the pat downs continue at every event.
sickos.
fellatial embrace
(no snaggletooths please)
Rick Perry graduated from Texas A&M with a 2.2 GPA and a degree in Animal Science. He got a D in basic Economics.
But I wonder... Does he speak Greek?
It's all Greek to Rick. And no, he doesn't understand a single word of it.
oy, but can he speak yid? and how!
http://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/occupywallstreet
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live stream
Christianity was made legal in the Roman Empire as a reward . Christian were the suicide bombers for one faction of the empire fighting the other. Christians were willing to die for the cult because they would be rewarded in heaven . Sounds like some modern Muslims and Christians .
One Roman lion to another: "Last night I dreamed I ate a giant marshmallow and this morning a Christian was missing."
I just watched this last night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4HnIyClHEM
It pretty much backs Dr. Pauls assertions about policing the world... as well as the assertion that Santorum is a dunce.
My own assertion is that hating freedom goes against human nature, but alas, I can't back that up with anything other than logic and rational thinking. People hate that.
They hate you for your freedom.
The idiots who force green peas down your throat are the terrorist. The Christianity vs. Islam war has been a side kick war game for over 3,000 years.
During your dumbed down education process, Google has made sure that if you search the question, you will be infected with a computer virus. Don't take my for it. Have a look yourself..
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We must not allow the serfs to know our agenda - LOL
Excuse me. Islam has not even existed for 3000 years... neither has Christianity
Knew I could find someone to bait
Let's look at a new product development stage; it has research cost, product launch cost, profits and then a obsolescence product death cycle.
Religion is no different. Listen fuckface, Sumerian culture was stole from the Egyptian's. Your world is being copied from the Sumerian's who was copied from the Egyptian's. Cycle repeats. Look on the back of your dollar bill.
http://www.skuggen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/sumerian_tablet.jpg
Your world is 3,000 years under a rebranded product name. Please debate with me.
Edit: Did you know Rome created Wallsteet? The useless idiots who study past societies can only expand fraud & corruption though mistakes made in the past. Pause & financial Reform is a ancient deception used throughout many failing societies.
Occupy wall street courtesy of anon ops. http://anonops.blogspot.com/
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I live in Malaysia, a Muslim country, and I can tell you that after living here for 2.5 years the Muslim culture has contributed tremendously to the wonderful experience I'm having. I wish Americans were as friendly and family-oriented as the Muslims of Malaysia. I've NEVER had one bad incident with a Malay, NEVER. In fact, I can walk around at 3 a.m. and receive nothing but thumbs up from some of the young men staying out late on a Saturday night. Outside of KL and Johot Bahru (major cities), Malaysia is one of the safest and livable countries of Asia! It's great! So, when I read about what people of the US think of Muslims, it reinforces the attitude among the other Westerners I run into in Asia: Americans are ignorant!
Only 2.5 years eh? Tell me about what happened to Sime Tyre Sdn Bhd. Who has partnered as controlling entity? I sure do remember the early morning blaring prayer and my arrow on the ceiling...
That was back in mid-nineties and America was looked upon as the leader of the global world. Everyone laughed and enjoyed exchanging cultural experiences, we keep in contact as friends. Then 9/11 happened and we had to pretend to no longer know each other in fear that a white man exchanging his friendship with a Muslim could spark security issues. The divide and conquer event went full scale and we had to lose friendships. All were DM's who could speak 5/6 languages. I will always remember how we co-existed without threat of religion.
Will never forget this evening. Arrived back to the Hotel passed 2:30 AM. Being the weekend and a young spring chicken who was always looking for the next party. The hotel had closed the bar. But… The Hotel employee states.."Mr. Atomizer please follow me." I end up in a big conference room with about 20 police force officials and they knew who I was and my business with Sime Tyre. The beers and friendship continued for many hours. At the end of the party, the police chief handed me his card with a phone number on the back. He says, "if anyone fucks with you, just hand them this card." I never had to use the card.
Have thousands of personal experiences that I could share. This isolated experience happened in Alor Setar, Kedah Malaysia.
Moral of my story, human beings bond. The race war feed upon us will result in dubious people committing suicide or having a bad accident. Money never buys happiness if you’re a stick figure pushing the envelope. Hahahaha
deKevelioc, are you enjoying the happy girls and LBFM. heeheee
Fuck you and the house you don't really own but was a vehicle to make a builder and a banker rich. Fuck you and your car that you rent from a banker , insure through a scammer, and fuel with oil from foreign lands. Fuck your Chinese coffee pot, microwave, and toaster. Fuck your high fructose, diabetes inducing, gmo franken bagels. Fuck your Sri lanken khakis, Vietnamese polo wearing statin and viagra taking fat asses. Fuck your consumer driven debt slavitude inducing malls packed with spoiled rotten dumb fucks carrying mastercard and visas provided by equally as dumb non producing parasites.
Grow, assemble, produce or die, you commie socialist rat bastard.
O, and BTW, fuck gold.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason I am failing to be inspired your flowery prose.
Thanks for the laugh! :-)
Did you intentionally omit television shows and Hollywood movies from your catalogue of 'fuck yous'?
Are you implying that they pass the smell test or are you just too pooped for any more FYs?
Give it a rest. They'll be more FYs tomorrow.
looking in the mirror is bout as important as voting
The globalist fiat scam and internet have facilitated the end of era for nation-states. In this fourth generation of warfare, small groups resisting the state, whether foreign or domestic, will be the terrorists - and they will win.
Community resilience, ftw.
Diversity wins. And, BIG = FAIL. So says Mother Nature.
All this BS here about the US and slave nation, blah,blah,blah.
Slavery is as old as mankind.Who put slaves into bondage?, many times themselves, many times (most) their OWN ethnicity, for mammon.
Get real on history...............you can't pick one nation, or peoples with the advent of slavery.
Greed is the foundation of slavery, mans instincts of hunter, and gatherer are embossed on the very souls of mankind.
To add more fuel to the fire, Danger Room [www.wired.com] just published FBI training material which teaches agents that mainstream Muslims, not just extremists, are violent and radical… and that America and Islam are necessarily in conflict.
Dude, if you haven't heard them DHS considers anyone that has traditional American values as Terrorists.
They even sent out a list with what they considered suspect.It covered EVERY aspect of traditional Americana.
You may have seen and read it, it was released accidentally by a LE Dept I think out of Mississippi/Missouri.
Napalitanner had to apologize she caught so much heat,but it still did not change THEIR PROFILE SYSTEM.
Not sure why you got thumbs down on this post (others are pretty clearm but not this one).
I actually recall warnings about "super patriots" being under scrutiny by the FBI.
You can't fight this shit. If you want it to disappear you turn you back on it and not give it your energy: it'll then die.
i call Bullshit on this article,, i agree with alot of what you said and Ron Paul but Al,Caida didn't attack because we were over there messing with their poor people , and if you can't have the honesty to see that then you truly are just another anarchist who will not see a good peoples( ones that don't attack women and children and blow them up). If we are morally equivalent then you don't believe in any good or evil. Having Said this i like Paul don't think we ought to be over there meddling and getting involved, or keeping troops in Germany and Japan and Korea etc,ect. But it is also silly to say that we are not going to exert some pressure over seas being that we are the biggest , strongest power in the world. BTW i didn't make Al'caida attack us and while the towers deffinately look like they had some help being taken down, Bush was not smart enough nor would he have done it , i don't think Clinton (Billy) or Obama would either so good luck with that one too..
Are you stupid, or do you just pretend to be?
If you think that presidents actually PLAN anything then you surely must be. They're FUCKING PUPPETS! Plans are drawn up LONG in advance: read the PNAC document, dumb-ass.
Further, it's pretty well documented how the US has covertly used folks over there and then walked away, resulting in having armed and trained thousands of people who then only know war. If that doesn't prime the pump then, again, you're fucking STUPID.
Then there's the little fact that we have the arrogance to facilitate the death of hundreds of thousands of children and claim that "we think the price was worth it" (Madeleine Albright- former secretary of state under Clinton - http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084).
An against international law the US, in 1991, INTENTIONALLY BOMBED water treatment plants (http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0401c.asp).
There's ZERO reason to believe that superiority comes from behind a gun. History's final chapters for every failed empire (something that ALL empires do) tells us so.
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I just had the same thought the other day.
You run for president. You tell everybody your plans. You win. The next day the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Chairman of the Fed, etc etc. tell you how it's going to be. You say " Where do I sign."
One day we'll elect a computer president and we'll finally get some shit done.
Tanosborn, cry me a river over the Jihadists, and please speak for yourself and stop projecting. The Tea Party, Ron Paul supporters, military Vets and pro-life demonstrators have all been targeted by DHS and the FBI now as potential "terrorists" which is truly ridiculous. Meantime, the commie-wannabees and anarchists are firebombing and attacking members of said groups with impunity because Obama gives them protection.
And the 9-11 hijackers, Ft Hood shooter, Arkansas shooter, Times Square bomber, Portland Christmas bomber, Ft Dix gang, shoe bomber, underwear bomber and virtually all the rest were perceived, and blended, as MODERATES. That's how they either blended in, became American citizens, and were part of our system. Awlaki was a DOD consultant, Hasan was an Army officer and physician, the Portland, OR Christmas bomber was a university student, and the Times square bomber was a newly naturalized citizen.
Meantime, the other so-called real "moderates" with families going to mosque still honor kill their daughters and behead their wives, because Sharia Law allows them to. If there are so many moderates, why aren't they out protesting against the violence being done by their fellow muslims? It's because they are either afraid or they agree. If they are afraid, then we should be too, as non-muslims, who are considered subhuman in Islam and therefore deserving of subhuman treatment and death. 70% of mosques inthe USA were found to be teaching radical jihadist Islam.
We have yet to see moderate Muslims out in the streets protesting against the violence being done in the name of Muhommad. Where are they? Anywhere? Oh, no Allah forbid. And those one million non-muslims in Darfur, killed in Southern Sudan by the Northern muslims, were killed because they were non-muslims and it is perfectly legal under the Sharia. Thousands of slaves were taken by the muslims.
I'm all for world peace, but Tanosborn, would you kindly tell the other guys to stop the racist genocide first? Islam is a totalitairan political system masquarading as a religion. If you have not studied Islam and you don't know this by now, then you are asking people to die just so you can feel warm and fuzzy about yourself.
"Meantime, the commie-wannabees and anarchists are firebombing and attacking members of said groups with impunity because Obama gives them protection."
You just stepped in shit, moron. Fucking ideological midgets ALWAYS do.
Oh, but you're right, I ALWAYS hear praise for the anarchists. Flip on ANY channel, POOF, nothing but nice visions of "anarchists."
Further, idiot, apparently you don't have a clue (being so fucking clueless) of agents provocateurs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPFC7THiKho
Dario Fo has written well about how the State commits acts of violence and then pins it on anarchists.
But, go ahead and continue in your little troll world...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaeuV2RNL3o&NR=1
You must be the guy on the news set screaming (like a fool) "it's a dead lie, fuck it!"