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Guest Post: Thoughtcrime Is Real
Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics
Thoughtcrime Is Real
I am careful what I say on Twitter especially, and the internet in general.
The sad reality is that the internet is not the place for expressing views that you do not want the wider public — including law enforcement and intelligence agencies — to know you hold.
We already know that the National Security Agency will soon capture all communications — phone calls, search histories, web history, e-mails, passwords, etc — in their Utah data centre.
In Britain, a dangerous precedent is being set.
From the BBC:
A teenager arrested over a malicious tweet sent to Team GB diver Tom Daley has been issued with a warning.
Dorset Police said the 17-year-old boy was held at a guest house in the Weymouth area on suspicion of malicious communications and later bailed.
After coming fourth in the men’s synchronised 10m platform diving event on Monday, Daley, 18, from Plymouth received a message on Twitter.
It told him he had let down his father Rob, who died in 2011 from cancer.
Arrested and cautioned for expressing an opinion. Not for threatening violence. Not even for racial or sexual abuse — as happened in March when a student was convicted of incitement to racial hatred after he tweeted a series of racial slurs.
Just for expressing an opinion that the authorities found to be distasteful.
I admit, it was a distasteful comment. But the idea that the government should arrest the person who made it is far, far, far more distasteful still.
Meanwhile, the number of bankers arrested for rigging LIBOR remains at zero.
This is a very salient example of the problems with the internet in its present state. If the state has the opportunity to gather and index citizens’ thoughts, these cases in Britain — supposedly a free country — illustrate that it is a very short and slippery slope toward the state punishing citizens for expressing their opinions.
While the First Amendment might seem to protect speech, the United States has already got involved in policing expression. And the First Amendment has a massive loophole — it only restricts Congress’ ability to legislate against speech. Other agencies — like the TSA — would seem to be be able to restrict speech under “administrative” grounds (the same rationale they use to gut the Fourth Amendment and search travellers without probable cause).
From the BBC:
Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends were refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet.
Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to “destroy America”.
He insisted he was referring to simply having a good time — but was sent home.
Trade association Abta told the BBC that the case highlighted that holidaymakers should never do anything to raise “concern or suspicion in any way”.
The US Department for Homeland Security picked up Mr Bryan’s messages ahead of his holiday in Los Angeles.
The 26-year-old bar manager wrote a message to a friend on the micro-blogging service, saying: “Free this week, for quick gossip/prep before I go and destroy America.”
US law enforcement represents the overwhelming majority of requests to Twitter for users’ private information.
Law enforcement agencies in the United States are behind the overwhelming majority of requests for Twitter users’ private information, the social media company revealed Monday in its first ever public report on the subject.
Of the 849 total government requests for user information during the period spanning January 1 to June 30 this year, 679 — or 80 percent — took place in the United States, typically for use in criminal investigations, Twitter said.
Japan was in second place after the United States with 98 requests filed by police, followed by 11 requests from law enforcement agencies in the United Kingdom and the same number from agencies in Canada.
Speech on Twitter — and on the internet in general — isn’t free.
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There is no right to free speech in the UK, which is one of the reasons why we kicked those limey bastards out of colonies.
For those interested in the charge details:
UK laws: "Malicious Communications Act 1988"
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/27/section/1
Also, article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights does not apply if it falls foul of one of the restrictions: "for the protection of the reputation or rights of others".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_10_of_the_European_Convention_on_Hu...
He did write:
"?I??Y J??I?? @Rileyy_69
“@tomdaley1994 i’m going to find you and i’m going to drown you in the pool you cocky t*** your a nobody people like you make me sick”
30 Jul 12"
And a tweet in response to another user:
"Oll @_OllyRiley 30 Jul 12
@Rileyy_69 @TomDaley1994 how dare you try and threaten someone who is diving for our country you little scum bag
"Thought crime" or a death threat? Thin line. Looks like death threats to me.
I think it's swell.
When I achieve an unelected position of power , I will start having people arrested and harshly interrogated for writing 'your' when they mean 'you're'.
You can learn a lot more grammar with some friendly instruction and a little waterboarding than you can with just some friendly instruction.
We're gonna go out & paint the town (no need to call Shermin Williams)
And waterboarding for misuse of then and than, and to, too, and two. The electric chair for impact instead of affect or effect.
Flash mob bad taste tweets by the millions should be organized where everyone makes an offensive tweet in a given time period. The idea is, they can't get all of us.
Um, yeah. It's a death threat on twitter. A little hard to take seriously. That diver looks fit enough to take care of himself, I'm sure he'd enjoy the opportunity to beat the living shit out of that jackass.
Great Britain is a hopeless cesspool of idiocy.
Yeah — it turns out he did make some death threats, which was missing from the BBC and Reuters reports I read.
However he was arrested for malicious communications, i.e. the first message. Had he been arrested for the death threats, the charge would have been intimidation or criminal threatening.
And we must remember that "arrested" is a bullshit term. It really means "battered by armed men and locked in a cage."
"battered by armed men and locked in a cage."
That's scheduled for 3:00 at King Barry's favorite Chicago bath house.
'They' say O'Barry likes being covered in man batter...Rahm gets the leftovers.
Whoops...is that a thought crime?
Just wait until the Philip K. Dick style "precog" shit gets fired up...
http://blogs.computerworld.com/18388/homeland_security_testing_mind_read...
He also does not know the difference between "your" and "your're."
The reply made me laugh. "Diving for our country." Haha, can we just turn the lights out on humanity now?
A real hero he is, diving for his country and all. I guess that is better than bombing for his country?
pods
Diving for your country seems a lot better than bombing for it.
diving for mcdonalds and nike weeeeeeeeeeee
go mcdonalds, our hero
Janet Napolitano hooking up with Ben Bernanke. THOUGHT CRIME !
Oh man.. that just caused a lot of brain damage.. like a brain tissue eating infection.
Dont the authorities consider fraudlent manipulations of interest rates causing trillions in damages 'distasteful'?
Yes, in the U.K., but in 'Murica it's called monetary policy.
Their romance was going fine, especially when Benny-boy took her to dinner and read his fortune cookie: "Man who have woman on ground have piece on earth." But, sadly, it ended when she read her's: "Never trust man with short legs, brains too near the bottom."
Dude WTF??? I'm trying to eat my lunch.
Get your facts straight, Jan lives in a luxury butch lesbian free love commune with those supreme court yentas.
After thinking about it this may be disturbingly close to the truth.
In the UK one can be convicted of a crime for saying something about somebody else that they don't like to a 3rd person if you "knew or should've known that person would tell it to the first person".
If one does that twice, the other person can simply claim that one made "him/her feel distressed" and accuse one of Harassment, a crime.
Really, the law is extremelly broad. For example, if on two occasions you've criticized the shitty work of somebody else in strong terms, even if only to a mutual colleague, that's enough to fall fool of this law.
More in general, TPTB setup the system so that everybody is a criminal, but they'll hold off from going after you as long as you keep your head down and behave like a nice little sheep.
Bingo.
I remember chuckling as a teenager when I perused the back of Frank Zappa's Joe's Garage album and read about the new government policy of "Total Criminalisation".
What a joker! I thought.
Distressed? LOL!
Sounds to me that the army needs to seize pubs and clubs in certain areas. Common talk.
The Venetians used to do this hundreds of years ago, to preserve their government in the most draconian way; imprison or execute people for expressing their opinions. They no longer, but now the UK is picking up the slack. Great, one more place I'll never visit again.
Well, according to Abby Martin, Sen. Paul doesn't like journalists asking him questions about endorsing NWO Romney and threatened to arrest her for asking a question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UKXpzdFQ_I&feature=g-all-u
Alot of fascist freaks are hiding behind the "Liberty" banner these days. Was the reporter a "deep penetrator" for the Muslim Bruthahood, perhaps?
J. Edgar was ahead of his time.
That a cranky old nut case Christian Reconstructionist can somehow become the standard bearer of "Libertarians" speaks volumes about the state of that political ideology.
Arrest her for asking a question? I guess "freedom of the press" isn't a plank in the Libertarian Platform.
The Venetians used to do this...
LOTS of them have done this. In the states, Woodrow Wilson did it last century, and the Federalists did it just before 1800.
Rulers ALWAYS do things like this, but they prefer cnditioning and intimidation to armed men locking peope in cages. One must respect appearances!
Absolutely correct! And boy has this government perfected the thought conditioning!
We need more Mark Twain's running around.
http://www.zormeir.com/italy/mouthy.htm
No, sorry this whole post is dead WRONG.
This was the tweet he was arrested for:
'I'm going to find you [Daley] and I'm going to drown you in the pool you cocky twat, you're a nobody people like you make me sick."
Not that I think it's in any way a matter for the police, not that I don't agree with the main gist of this thread (that freedom of the speech in the UK is under continual erosion) but at least get the facts of the matter right - technically this arrest was for a violent threat (albeit clearly not much of one).
The initial report I read didn't actually mention the threat of violence, but yes it turns out he made one.
However he was not arrested for criminal threatening or intimidation. He was arrested for malicious communications, i.e. the first message. Whether or not he would have been arrested had he not made the later threats is dubious, though.
Sorry Aziz, you're wrong, it was the death threats that constituted the malicious communications, i.e. severe aggrivated harrassment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_Communications_Act_1988
You know "malicious communications" by definition could have technically referred to the initial message, and given that that is what the BBC initially reported (and what I based the article on) they would seem to have thought so too.
Anyway, even if I am completely wrong (and if I am, I apologise) the overall point of the article — be careful what you say on the internet, because everything is stored and can later be used against you — is still true.
Sorry Aziz, you're wrong, it was the death threats that constituted the malicious communications, i.e. severe aggrivated harrassment.
When the BBC announced this on the news, they only mentioned the malicious communication, ie, the "bring shame on your Dad" nonsense, and not the threats... so Aziz' article was a perfectly reasonable response.
Er...
So what is your objection? He's wrong but you shouldn't point this out as the single article he happened to read about it wasn't adequate? Might I suggest not relying on single news articles, especially on sites like BBC News that are frequently edited by lobotomites.
To Aziz, I did not intend any hostility, I just pointed out that it was the abuse culminating in threats of violence that got him arrested, not the initial tweet which, as I was pointing out, was quite contrary to the OP's misinformed post. If I wasn't sorry about pointing out your error I wouldn't have prefaced it with "sorry".
Quite honestly, I agree freedom of speech has taken a battering over the last decade but in this instance the guy was an idiot for saying something that would just have likely got him arrested before the era of Twitter - he may not have been able to broadcast his idiocy across the world in quite such spectacular fashion but there we are..
I know this is ZH and we all want to hear that the end of the world is tomorrow, that David Icke was right all along and there really are sinister shapeshifting reptillian intergalactic multidimensional timelords controlling the world but I still reserve the fucking right to point out clear factual errors when they are made.
: )
>>>but I still reserve the fucking right to point out clear factual errors when they are made.<<<
I appreciate this.
Actually reporting, which involves fact checking, is sorely absent from the blogoshere. At some point it's all regurgitation of the same falacious "facts" so people can be "outraged."
Key word in your argument: "Technically". Threatening someone with drowning who has spent his life in a swimming pool, and is in incredible physical shape, is absurd. It's like bad satire.
But no-- in Britain this is actually taken seriously. It's almost like they are saying to the world, "fuck you, there's no speech that anyone can say that is so unrealistic or stupid that we won't criminalize it."
Come on people.
BOOBIES!
But there are at least two positive news items recently:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/01/pepper-spray-cop-loses-his-job/
And,
http://cryptome.org/2012-info/qidong/qidong-protest.htm
"We already know that the National Security Agency will soon capture all communications — phone calls, search histories, web history, e-mails, passwords, etc — in their Utah data centre."
They've been capturing it all for years. Echelon, carnivore etc.
welcome to the NWO...
I hope the NWO membership comes with a tote bag. I can keep my thought there...
The NWO is basically expressed as a bunch of high-handed self-important petty arseholes, pretending to be 'looking after us', by strangling us slowly.
And don't resist us, or we'll be forced to stangle you much faster.
kochsuckers
While I still can say this, the U.K. is even worse than the US,they are a complete fascist state.
ZERO freedom of speech.(Unless it offends no one).
Amazed no mass hangings there a while ago.Damn sure could use one.
We already know that the National Security Agency will soon capture all communications — phone calls, search histories, web history, e-mails, passwords, etc
Already are dude.
In many courtrooms in Texas, such as Conroe, citizens are not allowed to wear, "t-shirts with messages," or they will be held in contempt of court. This clear contradiction to the First Amendment is printed on Conroe's traffic tickets.
I think the following message should be worn on attendees t-shirts...
LOL...you mean I'll be held in contempt of court if they see my "Perry Is A Jerk!" arm tattoo?
6 months hard labor my friend.
Perry wears his wifes underwear for press conferences gets a full year with A cell mate nicknamed weasel bull.
You're right, I'd get the shaft. And besides, I learned years ago that when you go into court, you're putting yourself in the hands of 12 people who weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty.
I was one of those 12 people recently. I wanted to go because I'd never been.
I had a real Atlas Shrugged moment.
I answered all the questions during jury selection perfectly, but the defendant looked into my eyes, then leaned towards her lawyer and they rejected me without cause. The judge actually did a double-take.
The people in the future whom I send my reports to have now become openly skeptical, and aren't even hiding the fact that they think I'm making all of this up. I don't know why I took this damn assignment.
Gentelmen, you can't fight have the law in here. This is the War Room courtroom.
Who needs a law ?
Holder ? er.........no.
Obama ? you have got to be kidding !
Any pissant judge ? "in MY courtroom you will do as I say.........bitch."
I was interviewed for Jury duty once in Conroe, judge said he was a pitcher for the Pittsburg Pirates, said I never heard of him. I didn't get on the jury.
That or a Tee Shirt that says: JURY NULLIFICATION; AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE
Would be pretty sweet.
You are incorrect in your interpretation. It says: Congress shall make no law .......abridging the freedom of speech. Doesn't prohibit a Texas, Conroe County Courthouse, from abridging freedom of speech! I don't think a Monroe County Judge in Texas can be construed as "Congress"?
SHOCKING!! Wait...no, nothings shocking anymore.
I'm not as afraid. I'll say whatever the fuck I want, because if they do arrest my ass, then I'll know by that time, shit HAS hit the fan, and it's not going to matter, anyways.
If TPTB kill me - honestly, there probably doing me a favor because then I won't have to deal with their fail anymore.
In terms of Tom Daley, he's going to continue to be a celebrity in London, make tons of cash modeling, and get more ass than a toliet seat. UK Govt - the guy is GOING TO BE FINE.
What a society of corporate cuckolds the UK is run by.
That would be funnier if Daffy Duck said it to Elmer Fudd.
And the more things fall apart, the more this sort of "enforcement" we should expect.
He should have just said... You fucken douchbag.. you SUCK
That's just what the judge told him. Then he called the judge a cunt and told him he was going to destroy Easter Island.
Kids these days
Please!!!! The correct spelling is douche bag!!!! Please don't disrespect my favorite insult!
Know why GB has become an "upfront" police state? Because her citizens were disarmed several decades ago.
Know why GB has become an "upfront" police state? Because her citizens were disarmed several decades ago.
GB has been disarmed several times.
After WWI, and WWII,matter of fact if it were not for American citizens sending personal small arms to GB during WWII,they likely would have been taken over.
As they were not citizens then,but subjects.Now that they are called citizens, they are really still subjects.
I think it has a lot more to do with a lack of spine of it's citizens.
That said, the UK was one of the few European nations that wasn't under some dictatorship or other in the last 100 years: the populace will just sleepwalk into full blown Fascism 'cause "this sort of thing doesn't happen around here".
Also, let's not forget that popular revolution is a French tradition, so people will never start one in the UK for fear of being perceived as imitating the frogs (which would be rather unseemly).
TIL that twitter is stupid and so is using it.
Agree that we should watch what we put in email, Tweets, chat rooms, etc. ZH is about the last place left to seriously vent about things. We're all "up against the wall" of science now.
We're all "up against the wall" of science now.
But we have science too!
Encryption is a wonderful thing.
V nz tbvat gb qrfgebl Rnfgre Vfynaq !!!
The thing about encrypted comms is that it is safe today, as far as we know. However it is possible to store an encrypted stream until the processing power is available to decrypt it.
Quantum computing is closer than you think:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/154429/20110530/lockheed-martin-d-wave-q...
Not really that safe. Some of the trolling is simple social network analysis. Post a government meme and tally the response and responders. Think of it as informal opinion polling.
Note, I do NOT believe ZH supports this, but it is consistent with reports of creating false personae for cyberwarfare.
That said, we might as well keep talking. Even my kid was really pissed off about how much fear controls us.
Orwell was a hopeless optimist.
Orwell is table pounding doing shots of jack, Mao is watering at the mouth and Stalin is blushing. Makes Hitler feel vindicated.
Mao is watering at the mouth and Stalin is blushing. Makes Hitler feel vindicated.
Yup, in their happiest dreams they couldn't imagine the tyranny that is now welcomed in the name of "keeping us safe."
Freeking pathetic.
Priceless point...
But.. I know that they know that I know what their thinking, so were even.
"You only need the 2A when they come to take it from you."
A Fascist Dictatorship is what deal there trying to close right now.
So with that said, I guess they know exactly what I'm *thinking, they are pure genius!
Are you thinking, "Get some grammar lessons"?
But.. I know that they know that I know what they're thinking, so we're even.
im so glad i dont belong to facebook or twitter..i talk to the people i know and want to..
I have a Facebook account but only to watch the utter failure of those that mocked me.
Do you also own a Justin Bieber album just so you can sing-mock him?
the Brits had to do SOMETHING to show for the thousands of security personnel and hundreds of millions of Euro spent on Olympics security
This is such a fucking idiotic post.
The kid was arrested because he said he was going to drown the guy.
Yes, the UK is a festering, shit laden, filthy cess pool of totalitarian fuckedupness, but there are far better examples of such repressive horseshit being carried out than this non-story.
So to the author, smarten the fuck up and stop being a douchetard and polluting my RSS feed with such insignificant drivel.
To the retard that downvoted me:
Later, the tweets become more aggressive, such as one that said: "I'm going to find you and I'm going to drown you in the pool."
You can't say you are going to drown someone...it doesn't matter whether it is a tweet, in a letter, or whatever, its an explicit threat of violence and a fact that the poster left out of this idiotic post.
Wake up you fucking muppet smegma licking fucktards.
We don't roll that way in Wisconsin:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/149868425.html
Smegma - noun. a thick, cheeselike, sebaceous secretion that collects beneath the foreskin or around the clitoris
Gives clarity to the saying "Squeeze the cheese"
Maybe they are using sock puppets to scratch their privates, you know, by accident?
and the law is powerless to stop this kind of thing. would it happen that celebrity became a one way street, applause please, throw the hecklers out, thank you - that works in politics and the royal family, a bunch of social relics who escaped the guillotine. (can i say that?) as well as the queen mother.
but in fifty years the culture of exceptionalism will have disappeared along with most of the centralized institutions, social religious and political. Obama may be the last President, its clear he can't do anything, and Romney doesn't want to do anything (which is what Geo W Bush really said before he turned the world upside down, but it was all farce, and America as a global power is gone before it even fully arrives)
the Brits are a tired empire trapped on a tiny bit of island and not getting along all that well together. we destroyed them once, now we identify with their situation.
Obama may be the last President, its clear he can't do anything...
If only that were true!
If I threaten to harm myself on Twitter can I bring charges against myself?
Incitement, conspiracy, attempt, and ,of course, (my fave) solicitation are covered as inchoate crimes. But you can relax, the government will help with getting you locked-up. It will be for your own good.
Aziz, you should be ashamed of not doing your research. This is a lazy miss, or just biased reporting. The youth in question who was detained in GB for the tweet was not detained for the opinion about Daley's father being disappointed. After receiving multiple tweets reprimanding him for his poor attitude he responded that if he found Daley he would DROWN him. That is an actual threat. Here is the link you can read for yourselves:
http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/diving/story/uk-police-arrest-man-over...
The threat is in the second paragraph, last sentence.
Really, dude, do a better job than this. I love reading ZH and find most things here to be really well researched. This was a rare miss, but a pretty big one.
I think that it is ridiculous for the boy to be arrested and if all he did was make a poor comment about a dead father, then I would trumpet the need for an official apology but the oppressive police of the state. But they actually did their job, for once. Just don't get used to them doing their jobs right. Sooner or later, they'll fuck up like usual.
Yeah, you would think someone posting on this story would actually, you know, have a basic understadnig of the facts.
Instead, we get a dum fuck post that is built on a complete false premise.
In a word, its shit.
Shitty, shittiness, wrapped in a shit sandwhich.
Yeah, you would think someone posting on this story would actually, you know, have a basic understanding [of English].
Instead, we get a dumb-fuck post that is built on a completely false premise.
FIFY.
If this duesch bag threatened to drown him he clearly is kidding. Pretty sure a dude in the Olympics could drow him. If he had threatened to shoot then maybe we have something.
FTMFW
this is more marketing of a "brand" or "celeb" than communications
so, the meat counter rules must apply, to keep things civil in the FUKING MARKETPLACE???
The correct spelling is... douche... jpm hater001. Please don't misspell my favorite word.
oh my, a speech crime instead!
he threateded to "drown" a diver in a swim suit? as a tweety bird?
more cowbell?
if i ever see tyler durden, i'm gonna kick his ass!
now come and take me awaaaay! {how gay are we gonna get here, today, BiCheZ?}
That was Britain.
Nothing to worry about here. This is America.
The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
Yup!
And the Easter Bunny is real.
It was the home of the (Indian) Brave until they killed them all! Brave is a word derived from one of the native American (Indian) languages.
Now we feast on ourselves!
Of all the shit, stock market manipulation, war, out of control spending......this is what pisses me off the most. Invasion of privacy. And people just roll over and take it more and more all the time. From using credit cards for every little tiny transaction, to having a smart phone in your pocket, we are being monitored more and more. Everyone just thinks our benevolent gubbamint will only use that information to keep us all safe and sound.
Wake up you idiots. Hunger Games coming to a neighborhood near you. And not in the neighborhood theater.
Worry about privacy? It's much more important to queue up at Chik-Fil-A today and show our support for tasty chicken sandwiches and the right-wing talking heads and blogosphere. Gotta keep our priorities straight and stay on message.
If you haven't done anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear.
If you haven't done anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear.
Famous last words.
I didn't see the sarc tag, so I'll take it as though you meant it seriously.
In a country with literally millions of laws, rules, and regulations, EVERYBODY has done something wrong.
In a land with corruption so blatant that people who engage in major crimes walk free (Corzine), the lack of accountability means we are ALL in danger of some kind.
In a land where accusation may lead to incarceration without trial or evidence, doing something wrong is no longer a requirement.
Britain resists the Nazi's, only to become them.
What next, heads on pikes at Traitor's Gate for calling the PM a pompous ass?
Eurolanders have been totally nutty on speech restrictions for as long as I can remember. This isn't really news.
I have been an outspoken critic of twitter and FB for sometime.
If you need to communicate in private you must be delivered by a Kenyan runner you can trust. Preferably a young one in good shape to make sure the message gets there in a timely manner.
You mean a Kenyan "who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy"?
He said young.
It is bad for Olympic marketing to have any sort of negative comments made.
I suspect this is as much an indicator of frustration over massive monetary losses being taken as an overreaching police force.
Everyday that goes by, it becomes a more Talmudic-centric world where the Noahides have to bend down , (as President Ahmadinejad said the other day) and kiss the feet of jew. That is why nobdy ever goes to jail for financial crimes. You have jews doing the crime and you have jews in the government regulatory agencies looking the other way. Will I be arrested for daring to say this?
JDL knocking at your door in 3...2...1.
They never knock. They just leave pipe bombs. At least they used to.
YES!!!!! YOU ARE CORRECT!!!
I ask: Why does the PM of Israel get to address Congress more frequently than the POUSA?
Why does the Israeli PM get to chastise our Congress with impunity?
The only Jews in prison are the one that confessed. Notice I said THE one i.e. Bernie Madoff. (Have they sentenced Peter Madoff yet?)
What has Iran done to the USA in the last 20 years?
I'll never bend my knee!!!!! We will see who takes it too far!
I am watching Hilsenrath, on PBS Newswork, right now!!!
I suppose he will place his options order after he finishes lying.
Leigh Van Bryan is too late.... America has already been destroyed.
http://www.traddr.com/video/the-bernank-holds-all-of-the-cards-today
Britian has long been a fascist state, probably most notable because people dont know what it means; I mentioned the very same tweet to a friend and he thought when I talked about the fascism in Britian he thought I was talking about communism. It's a sad fact of life that certainly our rights online are being curbed without new laws and debate of parliament. As others have post here, welcome to the NWO
It's not even "thoughtcrime", his thought wasn't even a crime. It was a shitty thing to say, but it wasn't a crime.
Total pile of shite and a waste of tax payers money. This just goes to show that the authorities have no clue how to deal with social media sites. Fucking fekless!
OT but not.
I am following this story.
County commissoners trying to subpeana the identities of commenters for a newspaper article. The newspaper is fighting it. They are trying to find out who is against them regarding a decision to reorganize the education system. They are claiming that they want to see if some of the racist comments might belong to people who influenced legislation.
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jul/29/shelby-county-commission-seeks-identities-of-on/
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jul/30/shelby-county-commissioner-wants-to-withdraw-of/?partner=popular
Lead by example, CONgress! Strap up to polygraph machines while in session.
Fucking hell you blog sites do chat some shit some times, look the vast majority of you dont live in the UK and dont know what else this person has also had against his name and secondly if this little shit is insensitive enough to poke fun at someone after they have lost their father and after they fail to achieve a goal they have trained years for he deserves a slapping, this has absolutely no bearing on free speech this kid was a punk and got what he deserved. The olympics is such a high security event here that anything that represents any threat/concern to any athelete would result int the police/miltary going over the top.
That zerohedge think this is news worthy is unreal.
Your name is well-founded!
Tuco
ZeroHedge accepts contributions from all kinds of crazies, dumbasses, freeks, and weirdos.
You get to comment here too, though, so it seems fair.
It's an interesting story, not for the free-speech / twiitter angle, but the brevity and omission of true facts.
The news cesspool have proliferated this meme that an innocent tweet has led to an arrest, to make the surfs aware they will be hunted down and arrested for any minor infraction against a 3rd party.
It's the subtle Orwellian context that makes this story more interesting.
"crimethink - To even consider any thought not in line with the principles of Ingsoc. Doubting any of the principles of Ingsoc. All crimes begin with a thought. So, if you control thought, you can control crime. "Thoughtcrime is death. Thoughtcrime does not entail death, Thoughtcrime is death.... The essential crime that contains all others in itself."
Everything is peachy keen. We have nothing to worry about.
"Before his trip, Leigh Van Bryan wrote that he was going to “destroy America”."
More evidence that the banking syndicate hates competition!
Tuco
Posting swill(which seems to be just about everything) on Twitter & Facebook is the height of stupidity. People will abandon these idiotic social media sites in droves as more incidents like this occur. At least for the time being anyway, you can still think what you want.
ZH..."The characters who infest their comment section are some of the worst vermin in trolldom."
This right here is the canary in the coal mine for me. We're good.
We are all Europeans now. America is becoming the same fascist shithole that is Europe.
Definitely need the NWO. Here those teens fuck donkeys and still get away with it.
http://youtu.be/_VKWLC87Uzw
FEAR PORN is real too. This is just another scare-the-sheep program backed by unconstitutional paper and unenforceable edicts. What you are witnessing here along with crap like QE2, SOPA, NDAA, Obamacare, etc is the death rattles of the desperate, insane, illegitimate federal government. After the MASS ARRESTS occur, thousands of top traitors to the Constitution from Obama and Brenanke on down will be behind bars for for crap like this... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
Classical US citizenism.
US citizens come, tell a big lie so that everyone can see they are lying.
From that point on, it is either with them or against them. Litmus test.
Either you submit to their lies, accept them and side with them or you are against them.
The article states "Arrested and cautioned for expressing an opinion. Not for threatening violence"
This is the big lie fed by this US citizen author. He knows it is a lie and he is looking for gang mates who will accept the lie as a fact so they can congregate around it and defend it, finding a sense of worth in the defense of this thick lie.
It is how US citizenism works. Another example of it.
The english US citizen expressed unarguably a threat of violence by wishing to find his target and drown the man.
But here, it is redressed as mere opinion and in a same breath, told not to be a threat of violence.
This is what you have to accept to be part of the gang. And this is what you have to defend when this statement is questioned.
For US citizens, the group is all.
AnAnonymous, spewing the contents of his clearly deranged mind:
Really? Is this another one of your Chinese hypocritizenism unsupported assertions based solely upon feverish hallucinations? Probably so, considering your duplicitous eternal nature.
Wrong. The English citizen.
Again, is this based upon scraps of reality and fantasy glued together in the delirium of your troubled mind? Do you have evidence to support this assertion? If so, let's see it.
Once again, we see AnAnonymous, Chinese schizophrenicitizenism master of his delusional make-believe world, making up "facts" as he goes along. How very Chinese citizenish.
For AnAnonymousitizens, brief, fleeting, tangential encounters with reality is all that can be expected.
edit: I see that other sources are reporting on threatening messages, yet as FiatFapper points out above, this was deliberately left out of the BBC article.
So based on the report by the BBC, the author of this article was mistaken in some of the details. Nevertheless, a mistake based on incomplete information doesn't even come close to "the big lie fed by this US citizen author" as claimed by the insane ravings of AnAnonymous.
Because AnAnonymous ascribes the cause of every event that he cares to comment about to his conspiratorial global unified theory of US citizenism, I stand by my remarks.
Where is your honor, if not for Americans your precious Mao would have died hiding in bushes as he was wont to do...
and you would likely be speaking Nipponese!
If Mao came back to visit China today, he would have your entire leadership executed the Stalin's style. Plus, he would probably send millions newly rich cocksuckers to his former Reeducation Camps, aka slaughterhouses. The sad truth is that the Chinese sheeple can't even figure it out why those Beijing students demanded the end of corruption more than 23 years ago. Now, you can go back and fuck yourselves again.
Malicious communication? I got your malicious communication right here. And be sure to read my mind, not just my lips.
"Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be
much easier to deal with." ('Atlas Shrugged' 1957) Ayn Rand
In my British opinion:
Twitter. What a fantastic example of modern useless shit marketed as a "means of communication".
Why anybody other than a self confessed "Celeb" wannabee (eg Zerohedge) or "Celeb" follower (eg Kardashian fan) or outright stalker wants to use Twitter is beyond my comprehension.
If any of the useless "deserve to be terminated" idiots solicit "followers" (eg ZH & Tom Daley) then they are surely putting themselves up to receiving ANYTHING that their followers throw at them. If they can't take it then they should get the fuck out of Twitter.
Daley allegedly has 600K followers. Did/does he really expect them all to be nice? Is he that deluded? Probably.
I think it might help matters if Twitter had a user policy that makes all "Twatters" liable to take absolutely anything & everything hurled at them without recourse and grant automatic legal immunity to anybody who types anything/anywhere/to anybody.
And yes, the UK is suffering increasing fascism introduced in huge volumes by the labour party. The Cons/Libs are a disgrace for not doing anything to roll back the insidious creep of officialdom into private lives.
So fuck Twitter, Fuck the UK and Fuck Tom Daley for being a big girl.
Well, I don't have anything to worry about. I personally think Obama is doing great, and I wish him a long, prosperous life. I see no harm whatsoever with our porous borders, and I invite any and all undocumented workers aboard our great nation!
I look forward to living in a FEMA camp, I know the government holds my interests at heart. I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with the way the wonderful policemen dress up in military bdu's while attacking those dag'goned protestors! Police need protection, too. They're dressed for the event, those idiot protesters deserve what's coming to them. I can't wait until I see tanks in MY little town!
Furthermore, who cares if the economy is fucked up? This is AMERICA! Everyone had an equal chance to become someone, to make themselves rich, or famous, or whatever. I have no sympathy for people who scream 'inflation robbed my savings!' or idiots who don't have jobs. After all, the government if FULL of wonderful, productive, hard-working people. Get a JOB!
Go government! Yay! Go Bankers!!! Hooorah!! Hip hip hooray! Unicorns! Look, over there-> puppy dogs! And flowers! And the sky is so blue today. I am so happy! I love everyone! I love YOU!
(Disclaimer: Simply adding some 'reverse karma' to my dialogue. Maybe I can make up for all the mean things I've said in the past. I didn't mean it, really.)
Well said ZeroAvatar can neither add nor subtract a single word
We all get what we deserve. In the words of R A t M know your enemy and.....WAKE UP.....
Oh NSA I forgot my sign on and password can you email it to me?