Guest Post: Three Paths To Near-Term Human Extinction

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Sat, 08/20/2011 - 12:29 | 1581191 Cassandra Syndrome
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We are going to have Global Cooling for at least a decade because of weak solar activity. The weakest since the Dalton Minimum 200 years ago. 

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 12:39 | 1581222 Ahmeexnal
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"global climate change"

He must be one of Al Gore's interns.

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 12:43 | 1581240 Fuh Querada
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Yeah, with world government, superbureaucrats and global taxation to fight it

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 13:02 | 1581288 spiral_eyes
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my (far less cartoonish) take on self-anointed self-destruction...  

but really tyler, this environmental apocalypticism is pretty counter-factual... not everything that comes bundled in sixteen shades of doom and gloom is true. 

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 13:49 | 1581473 Thomas
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Totally counterfactual. Although those may or may not be problems, with the exception of thermonuclear war or pandemic, we are here for awhile. The oddest part of all is that "we're made of meat"...

Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:16 | 1582151 grekko
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Global warming is HOGWASH!  Is the planet warming, YES, is it the fault of man, NO!  Please explain why Mars and Venus are heating too.  I'm sure they have real bad traffic congestion with alot of cars and trucks spewing all those terrible emissions.  Mankind's contributions to grenhouse gasses are lesss than 1%.  Please give me a break on AGW.

Industry.  is it imploding?  Yes, due to Wall Street greed (as well as all of those politicians they own, lock, stock, and barrel).  Put a few big ones in jail, and it'll end.  Business will thrive once again as long as we do away with a heck of alot of regulations and reform the tax policy so they don't get a deduction for shipping jobs to China.

Nuclear meltdown?  Unfortunately, we have no way to make up the necessary power for consumption without them.  Like them or not, Nuke plants are here to stay.  The only way they will all go into meltdown at the same time is if the Nibiru swings close enough to this planet that it causes massive worldwide earthquakes all at the same time.  I'm not having toomuch worry about that one happening.   Is it possible?  Ya, but highly unlikely.

The writer of this article seems to me to be a bit paranoid.  I think he should just kick back and have a couple of Mai Tais.  He'll sleep better and hopefully stop wasting our time with this rubbish.  We kow how to fix the troubles in the world, we just need the "paid for" politicians to get on board.  Have a nice day everyone.

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 01:37 | 1582956 FEDbuster
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Nukes would warm things up for awhile, then cool things down (nuclear winter?).  Since over population and a big wave of senior citizens owed money and healthcare, I am thinking global man made pandemic aimed at 60+ population.  Thin the herd with pandemic or WW3 (maybe a few strategic nukes).

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 03:11 | 1583044 Spirit Of Truth
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We will nuke ourselves long before global warming becomes a world-ending issue IMHO.  In fact, implausible concerns (e.g., Planet X, pole shifts, etc.) may be mass psychological diversions from what should be the obvious fact that Russia is planning to unleash an all-out nuclear war against the U.S. and Western powers, possibly in short order:


Russia's Secret War Plans


Sun, 08/21/2011 - 04:18 | 1583075 eisley79
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good try though, "i am for his doom and gloom policy", but "i am against his belief in pseudo-science quakery policy"



For you belief in baseless eco-facist propaganda with no real scientific evidence you win:

Sun, 08/21/2011 - 13:55 | 1583631 JW n FL
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The billionaire Koch brothers, who are buying the US election through the Citizens United decisions held another one of their get togethers.

Attending were two supreme court judges - the same judges who allowed corporations to give unlimited donations to any political candidate of their choice - Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

Also attending were Fox News Channel's Glenn Beck, as well as reliables like Haley Barbour and Bobby Jindal (no surprise there).

Interview of Matt Taibbi by Keith Olbermann.

The Koch Brother are super-rich global warming sceptcis. Which would all be fine, except for the names and fronts they seem to hide behind. The Koch's are a case study in faking it on a massive scale.

The Koch's are pro-free market, except when they benefit. Every year they take $123.6 million US dollars in subsidies from Hugo Chavez's socialist government.

Three weeks ago the Koch's were caught employing PR firm, New Media Strategies, to santise their Wikipedia entries and distance themselves from the Tea Party.



Mon, 08/22/2011 - 07:57 | 1585357 moregoldplease
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Who bought the Obama election?


Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:17 | 1598879 JW n FL
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  • Sun, 08/21/2011 - 10:49 | 1583297 Smiddywesson
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    In a century where there are EMPs, who needs nuclear warhead.

    One well placed EMP and everything from Ontario to Miami goes dark, including the control systems of nuclear power plants.  If power can be brought back up, no problem.  But in an EMP attack, the power stays off and the nuke plants all melt down.  End of game.


    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 13:47 | 1583600 New_Meat
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    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 13:46 | 1583608 New_Meat
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    dude: two words: gauss shield.

    You don't get  out much, do ya?

    - Ned

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 15:49 | 1583848 snowball777
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    That'd be one big ass Faraday cage and there'd be some part of it visible in the reactor buildings, don'tcha think?

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:24 | 1583231 Calmyourself
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    Sagan all but repudiated nuke winter before his death..  There was no science behind it just a really, really firm view on how things should be just like MMGW scientists.  TD, please no more of this persons greeniac, luddite, malthusian gibberish.

    Oh bust the Fed +.

    Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:16 | 1598869 JW n FL
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  • Sat, 08/20/2011 - 15:55 | 1581837 Young Buckethead
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    We will not be here "for awhile". Fukushima alone will kill hundreds of millions of people within a few years. Who will be left to keep the cooling pumps running at the other nuke plants in Japan when everyone there dies and the whole country is declared a 'hot zone'? Fukushima was only Act I.

    The rain from the radioactive oceans will slowly kill off the rest, through increased infant mortality rates. In Iraq alone, the DU dust we left has created an infant mortality rate around 80%. Israel is now experiencing similar results from their use of DU munitions against the Palestinians and Lebanese. The old folks die, no new kids to replace them. Three generations, max.

    Start your bucket list. Everything else is irrelevant.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 16:30 | 1581898 WebWeasel
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    There is a reason we find the remains of formerly great civilizations. They were all "immune to history", just like us.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:57 | 1582229 Thomas
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    But they didn't necessarily died; they moved on. That's a far cry from extinction.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:45 | 1582689 old naughty
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    Ah ha, they moved on; so we will? Because we are special?

    IMHO, all three paths will converge, plus something else(anyone care to make predictions?), and this path is the "Y" where no return is "allowed".

    Help, we are getting, returns from our future (yea, future ---and them, no more)...

    No, we are not special. And the path we are on, not "allowed" !!!

    Thanks for sharing.

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 10:00 | 1583264 steve from virginia
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     - First of all, interesting to see Guy McPherson on ZH, I guess Jeremy Grantham has made doomers a cultish fav

     - Don't cry little children over your lost cars, they won't be missed after they are gone.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 17:16 | 1582004 SPADOC4
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    Fukushima alone will kill hundreds of millions of people within a few years.

     That's quite a claim. Hyperbole? And all within "a few years?" Just how many years? Three?

    I'll agree the north eastern quadrant of Japan has a serious problem and that problem can/probably is spreading toward Tokyo. But compare your claims with those made during Chernobyl and TMI.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 17:38 | 1582068 Young Buckethead
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    Here's one of the international experts who made these claims: Chernobyl and TMI are well covered.

    Dr. Caldicott's CV:

    Anything by Arnie Gundersen or Dr. Chris Busby. That would get one started.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:41 | 1582683 CompassionateFascist
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    Helen Caldicott is a globalist-socialist. One of the original "better Red than Dead" crowd.

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:40 | 1583247 JimBowie1958
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    CF, I understand your concern, but that doesnt change the scientific facts she relates concerning the internal damage caused by metabolized radioactive material.


    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 11:09 | 1583321 Smiddywesson
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    Experts?  Everytime I hear "expert" I prepare myself to hear a bunch of malarky.  This time IS different.  We have no exprets anymore (if we ever did, I would be surprised)

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 17:58 | 1582119 Golden monkey
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    You sound like a troll sponsored by a dumb monkey. 

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 00:12 | 1582842 IronShield
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    Darn you, I hate blowing soda out my nose...

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:21 | 1582163 grekko
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    I agree with SPADO.  Fukishima will be brought under control.  This is really bad in Japan, but they will eventually get it under control.  Is it a disaster?  Yes, but they are throwing all the money they have to at it to make it better.  give the physicists and engineers time to do what they must.  As for the gloom and doomers here...stay out of the sun and far back from your TV and computer screens...they give off radiation as well.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:03 | 1582245 Young Buckethead
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    Money doesn't matter. The technology to clean this up does not exist, and will not exist before we're all gone. How do you clean up the plutonium that's already circled the Northern Hemisphere? How do you pull out all the radionuclides in the water from emergency cooling operations, out of the world's oceans, before it turns to rain and destroys the world's crops?

    I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but 30+ years of studying these things tells me we're fucked as a species.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 19:30 | 1582307 samslaught
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    Your last sentence gives you away.  It's a qualifier that inferior people use when they aren't able to prove their point with evidence, facts, or knowledge.  The amount of time that you have spent studying a subject is not relevant.  If we had a time machine I could summon someone that spent 50 years studying the Earth and concluded it was flat.  If you have a point to make, make it.  If you know what you’re talking about you should be able to convince the rest of us without leaning on qualifiers.  

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:17 | 1582415 Young Buckethead
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    Well, I was a nuke in the Navy, but then again, I could be lying, so who's to say?

    Again, I hope all the international radiation contamination experts are wrong on this. I've got kids that I don't want to see die from cancer. But the only people that say this is going to be ok are people from the nuke industry. It's like trusting gang bangers to tell me that they aren't guilty of drive by shootings. You do the math.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 20:42 | 1582478 BigJim
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    Fukushima probably will kill quite a few people. But the radiation and radionucliides it has and will release are considerably less than what was released by literally THOUSANDS of nukes detonated between 1945 and 1980.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:57 | 1582722 monkeyboy
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    If there's a massive increase in birth deformities/defects/etc in 9+ months from the disaster, it will be hard for authorities to deny that the radiation levels aren't a problem.

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 04:20 | 1583076 Pay Day Today
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    1) Quite a few of those tests were conducted underground

    2) The amount of radioactive material in a nuclear warhead is measured in pounds. There are many many tons of uncontrolled radioactive material at Fukushima.

    Wed, 08/24/2011 - 14:31 | 1596068 Hugh_Jorgan
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    Hey there, Mr. Navy Nuke. I was qualified EWS, SRO, RADCON QA Inspector, EDPO and I was an instructor for 4 years, and I can say unequivically that what you learned in the Navy in no way qualifies you as any kind of authority on the Fukashima disaster's long term effects to Mankind, period.

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 09:20 | 1583226 NumNutt
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    If things are as bad as you say why don't you just kill yourself and spare the rest of us from listening to your crying.

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 11:15 | 1583325 Smiddywesson
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    I love radiation.  

    SOMETHING mutated me from a grumpy old man with soon to be worthless stocks,

    into to a grumpy old man with a lot of gold and silver.

    Radiation = Yum, Yum

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:18 | 1582155 Missiondweller
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    "In Iraq alone, the DU dust we left has created an infant mortality rate around 80%."


    That's a remarkable statement. Can you cite a source?

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:58 | 1582234 Thomas
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    The Onion

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:57 | 1582725 bonin006
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    Shame on you. The Onion is much more realistic than that.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:18 | 1582650 Gordon Freeman
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    He's a fucking moron...

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 04:56 | 1583083 MrJoy
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    A medical survey, "Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005–2009" published in July 2010, states that the “Increase in cancer and birth defects…are alarmingly high” and that infant mortality 2009/2010 has reached 13.6%.

    Source is in the wikipedia article.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:20 | 1582158 OldPhart
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    We did a shit load of openair nuclear testing up until the early 70's.  I don't have three eyes, nor do my adult kids.  My sisters multiple grandchildren seem funtional also.

    While radiation is a concern, and many do die of inoridantely high levels, I don't think that is our immediate problem. 

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 18:54 | 1582224 Thomas
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    So you are saying we will be extinct or you are saying there will be a big die off? If it's the latter, I have no problem with your thesis. If the former, that is where I disagree. The global population might go below a billion. I doubt it goes below 1.

    Sat, 08/20/2011 - 22:47 | 1582696 trav7777
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    this is just the dumbest hysterical shit ever

    Sun, 08/21/2011 - 06:34 | 1583113 Pay Day Today
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    Interestingly, that's exactly what a lot of mainstream economists and financial journalists think about ZH.

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