Guest Post: Time To Get Out Of The Middle East

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Time To Get Out Of The Middle East

It takes a lot of time and effort to try to understand American counter-terrorism policy today.

Personally, I think the status quo is like trying to treat a cocaine overdose with methamphetamine. It’s like trying to cure chlamydia by having sex with multiple random strangers in a park. It’s like trying to cure a broken nose by punching oneself in the face.

Or, as Glenn Greenwald puts it:

I absolutely believe that another 9/11 is possible. And the reason I believe it’s so possible is that people like Andrew Sullivan — and George Packer — have spent the last decade publicly cheering for American violence brought to the Muslim world, and they continue to do so (now more than ever under Obama). Far from believing that another 9/11 can’t happen, I’m amazed that it hasn’t already, and am quite confident that at some point it will. How could any rational person expect their government to spend a full decade (and counting) invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting huge numbers of innocent children, women and men in multiple countries and not have its victims and their compatriots be increasingly eager to return the violence?

Isn’t it painfully obvious? The interventionist policies — occupation, drone strikes, cluster-bombing, indefinitely detention, false vaccination programs and so forth — in the middle east advocated by both “liberal” and “conservative” hawks that are supposed to prevent terrorism are creating anger, creating enemies, and creating terrorists. I too am amazed another 9/11 hasn’t happened. I despise jihadism and Islamism. It is contrary to everything I stand for. That’s exactly why I oppose a foreign policy that serves as a hugely effective recruiting tool for the totalitarian jihadists. 

Yemeni lawyer Haykal Bafana explained the rationale last month:

Dear Obama, when a U.S. drone missile kills a child in Yemen, the father will go to war with you, guaranteed. Nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

Or as convicted terrorist Faisal Shahzad put it:

Well, the drone hits in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don’t see children, they don’t see anybody. They kill women, children, they kill everybody. I am part of the answer to the U.S. terrorizing the Muslim nations and the Muslim people.  And, on behalf of that, I’m avenging the attack.  Living in the United States, Americans only care about their own people, but they don’t care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die.

Or as former CIA counter-terrorism expert Michael Scheuer noted:

The idea that has been pushed by President Clinton and President Bush and Mr. Cheney and Barack Obama and Senator McCain, that America is being attacked [for its freedom] is a disservice to the population of the United States. This war is not against Americans because we’re Americans, it’s motivated by the activities of our government and its allies in the Muslim world.

So why do we keep doing this? Two reasons: hubris and greed.

First, the hubris. We know Ron Paul was booed in South Carolina for advocating that we should do to others as we would like done to us:

My point is if another country does to us what we do others, we’re not going to like it very much. So I would say that maybe we ought to consider a golden rule in — in foreign policy. Don’t do to other nation what we don’t want to have them do to us.

But that’s just the propagandistic nature of being a superpower. Years of prosperity, military supremacy and pro-war propaganda have made it normal to believe strongly in the idea that America is intrinsically better, and wherever America goes America brings freedom, and anyone who doesn’t agree with that needs to be waterboarded until they do.

Yet however many times as the phrase “they hate us because we are free” is repeated, mantra-like by a Rick Santorum or a Newt Gingrich, it does not become truer. It is just an illusion, just a fantasy. While the jihadis were always anti-American, anti-democratic and anti-capitalistic, Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Sayyid al-Qutb — the fathers and grandfathers of modern Wahhabism, jihadism and al-Qaeda — became anti-American militants because of America’s role in the middle east.

As bin Laden himself said:

Those who kill our women and innocent, we kill their women and innocent, until they refrain.

And even more clearly:

Free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush’s claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him explain to us why we don’t strike Sweden, for example.

Second, the greed. America is in the middle east because America likes cheap energy. That myth of America as liberators flourished first as a justification for America’s petrdollar foreign policy.

And people get rich from America being at war — so far in the region of $4 trillion has gone to fighting since 9/11. A lot of weapons contractors are happy with the status quo.

So the military-industrial complex — the lobbyists, the weapons makers, the media — may accept it if Obama kills 14 women and 21 children to get one suspected terrorist. More terrorism means more weapons spending. For the lucky few it’s a self-perpetuating stairway to riches. Yet for wider society it means spending time, money and effort on war, instead of on domestic prosperity. It means the constant threat of terrorism. And it means the loss of our liberty, as the security state adopts increasingly paranoid anti-terrorism measures.

We should do to others as we would have done to ourselves. That means — unless we are comfortable with the idea of ourselves living under military occupation and drone strikes — getting out of the middle east, and letting that region solve its own problems — forget another costly and destructive occupation in Syria. Slash the war and occupation spending, and redirect the money to making America independent of middle eastern energy and resources.

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Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:39 | 2526336 GeneMarchbanks
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You're a romantic. I can tell.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:42 | 2526342 Cognitive Dissonance
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Too subtle. Try again. :)

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:46 | 2526355 CIABS
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Another 9/11 is possible?  There hasn't been a first one that fits their description.  You can't have another without one to begin with.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:55 | 2526383 12ToothAssassin
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"We should do to others as we would have done to ourselves. That means — unless we are comfortable with the idea of ourselves living under military occupation and drone strikes..."

 

Wait, we dont live in a state of militarized oligarchy? Im confused.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:59 | 2526387 hedgeless_horseman
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Must watch video for this topic:

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUEGHdQO7WA&feature=player_detailpage

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:00 | 2526413 Fukushima Sam
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"Another 9/11."  LOL.  9/11 was an inside job.  It is so obvious I can't believe people go around saying otherwise and basing their arguments about the state of the world today on the official story.

Another 9/11 has not happened because the first accomplished its goals (plus much more) and because today they would have a much harder time getting away with the deception.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:11 | 2526459 CommunityStandard
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Of course, that must mean there was someone smart enough in the government to put it together, execute, and hide the trail flawlessly.  Hell, this mystery "man behind the curtain" should just run for public office, because IQ is sorely lacking.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:38 | 2526498 DaveyJones
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I never knew the word "flawlessly" had so many errors

how do thousands of engineers, retired military, scientists, architects, aviation experts, steel manufacturers, combustion experts, and just darn curious citizens discuss these anomalies in the first place? 

why did we immediately announce we were invading a country that to this day has no evidentiary connection but who does have the last source of undeveloped sweet accessible crude?

why did we immediately after setting up their "democracy" announce that we wanted to return to the fifties where our international oil companies didn't just have access but actually owned the elements in the ground - to which they gave us the middle finger and, don't blame them, started to doubt our intentions?

why, once in, did we move to protect oil fields and not people?

why is it an amazing coincidence that these actions coincide chronologically with not only fifty years of oil expert predictions of peak production but with Dick's secret energy meetings?

why won't the Supreme Court release Dick's energy meeting notes?

why is one of the only documents that did leak a map of Iraq's undeveloped oil?

why is that a common theme with pentagon cameras, airplane parts, and well all the steel that was immediately removed and destroyed in violation of a number of laws as evidence of the biggest crime in American history? 

 

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:49 | 2526658 CommunityStandard
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Ok, should not have included the word flawlessly.  To be honest, I have not done my due dilligence on the "errors".  Got any links to the best, most prevalent theories?

I remember reading something on how it was missile and not a plane, which seemed odd since my elementary school nurse's son died on the plane, and was certainly not a made up person (my mom was his art teacher and they did the yearbook together).  Unless my mom was paid off by the government too, at which point she's been holding out on me.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:18 | 2527425 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Here's a good place to start.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SFkGLzmEic

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 23:35 | 2528217 jeff montanye
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ok let's say 9-11 was an inside job.  still we all can agree there

is animosity against the u.s. and its vassal slave ally/commander in chief israel by the billion plus muslims in this world, right?

thus trying to kill everyone that is not as israel first as say the u.s. congress is, as donald rumsfeld asked, is going to make more of them than we kill, right?

well it will if you really don't know already.

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/14/al_qaedas_best_friend/singleton/

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:44 | 2527757 DaveyJones
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For that man alone, and his family, we should seek the truth. How do you know he died at the pentagon? We know for sure the plane never landed. That's about all we know. Look up the phrase. "Do the orders still stand?" Find out the witness to its speaker. Check out the missle defense system of the military headquarters of the most militarized and largest modern empire in human history along with NORAD. Find out the NORAD orders that day, their delay and their direction. Find out how many other flight terrorist simulations were on that day along with false blips on the traffic controllers screens and once again, track down who set those up. Consider how discrete that information would be and then compute the mathematecial odds of the attack coincidence. Look up statements from military investigators and airline pilots who say the damage doesn't add up and the flight pattern is nearly impossible. There's a lot more and that's just the Pentagon. But first and foremost, look up tower 7 footage and the BBC announcement that it came down fifteen minutes before it came down. Track down the european demolition experts who reviewed the tapes, not knowing it was 911 footage, and indicated without a doubt that it is controlled demolition.   

These guys have done decent work

  http://www.ae911truth.org/

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 00:34 | 2531413 JeffB
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"Look up the phrase. "Do the orders still stand?"

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I did, thanks. http://dotheordersstillstand.blogspot.com/

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:58 | 2527815 BigJim
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 I remember reading something on how it was missile and not a plane, which seemed odd since my elementary school nurse's son died on the plane...

It's called poisoning the well. Hey, I read some patently stupid theories arguing 911 was an inside job. Ergo... all theories arguing 911 was an inside job must be stupid.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:20 | 2526500 johnQpublic
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they didnt actually hide it flawlessly at all

 

they own the media

they didnt have to hide it flawlessly

the story really only needs to stand up on day one

after that, rinse and repeat the lie

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:44 | 2527338 lakecity55
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Hard to fight back when the bought Zionist Media trumpets the propaganda 24/7/365.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:39 | 2526921 Diogenes
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What makes you think they put it together, executed it and hid the trail flawlessly? People were looking around and going WTF? even as it was happening. Within days it was obvious that the official story was a pack of lies but it didn't matter. The fix was in and it's still in.

The people involved couldn't care less if some conspiracy theorist figures the whole thing out. He will never get a hearing, except among fringe nut jobs, and they will make sure anyone who questions the official story will be dismissed and laughed at as a fringe nut job.

Nobody got caught and nobody ever will. The people behind it got what they wanted and moved on a long time ago.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:24 | 2527112 dolly madison
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Despite being pretty sure that 9/11 was an inside job, I myself sometimes argue this very point with people who think 9/11 was not an inside job.  Even if it wasn't an inside job, we should get out of the middle east.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 23:47 | 2528245 jeff montanye
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absolutely, dolly.  out of the middle east and, pretty much, everywhere else.  

i'm not sure about the inside jobness of it all.  certainly building 7 is fishy as all hell.  but it sure looked like planes hit it the tall ones.

i guess i'm going with an inside outside job, a little bit like the greatest control fraud in the history of the world, also known as the current financial crisis.  

banksters and politicians working together like the cia and the mujahideen.  worked to defeat then replace the ussr.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:27 | 2526542 DollarMenu
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Thanks, HH.

That was a very interesting lecture.

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:17 | 2527423 JeffB
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Thanks Hedgeless, that was a very good video.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:05 | 2526430 sunaJ
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"Years of prosperity, military supremacy and pro-war propaganda have made it normal to believe strongly in the idea that America is intrinsically better, and wherever America goes America brings freedom, and anyone who doesn’t agree with that needs to be waterboarded until they do."

 

It's not that we Americans think we are better, it is that we think we are the best.  There is nothing to contend with what we have developed, so we will eat our tail unto our own destruction.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 10:14 | 2529171 bankruptcylawyer
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you could has well argue the pattern of false flag attacks will repeat itself because american military complex needs to have its wars. and that, the more desperate americans become, the more destructive these false flags need be. 

the next 'false flag' will be a destruction of the u.s. economy and mass hardship that the television will blame on the chinese dumping treasuries. be prepared for the big war in that case. the chinese did it! and you can play your part as an american buy buying bonds, at negative real rates and nominal 0% coupons! hooray for war bonds.

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:51 | 2526981 Randall Cabot
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Romney sure isn't going to get us out of the Middle East:

And the list of Romney’s advisors reads like a neo-con Bar Mitzvah:

Michael Chertoff - Talmudic Jew. Co-chair of Romney’s Intelligence Advisory Committee. Pushing for even more of his Chertoff Strip Machines in TSA lines.

Eliot Cohen - Neocon Jew. Special advisor to Romney, author of Romney’s foreign policy White Paper.

Roger Zakheim - Neocon Jew. Co-chair of Romney’s Defense Committee. Son of Dov Zakheim.

Robert Kagan - Neocon Jew. Special advisor to Romney. Former member of PNAC that brought us Saddam’s WMD. Now heads the Foreign Policy Initiative.

Kristen Silverberg - Warmonger Jew. Co-chairs Romney’s European Affairs Committee. Wants "regime change" in Iran.

Dov Zakheim - Zionist Jew. Special Advisor to Romney. Former comptroller of the Pentagon. Key agent in the 9/11 "inside job." View Entire Story Here, Here, & Here

Moreover, neocon Jew Bill Kristol boasts that Romney will pick Talmudic Jew, Senator Joseph Lieberman, as his Secretary of State.

 

 

 

 

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=729   

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:42 | 2527332 lakecity55
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Meet the New Jews, same as the Old Jews.

Those guys really get around.

All Hail The Red Shield!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2528273 jeff montanye
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we don't know what romney will do, he has no core beliefs.

he will probably cave to aipac, etc. and other pressure groups.                                    

however obama has committed multiple war crimes and is first on the book to commit to the power to kill u.s. citizens, on u.s. citizens by excutive order, the essence of a police state.

thanks you little constitutional professo, you. what?  

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:42 | 2526343 Bananamerican
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and you're a well-documented racist DICK.

Myself? I love breathtaking ACCURATE political overviews....

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:45 | 2526352 Gene Parmesan
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Lighten up and try reading between the lines.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:50 | 2526365 Bananamerican
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that was directed at Gene, not CogDis...

I feel light as a feather by the way...doesn't change Marchbanks status....The dude's an insufferable condescending cunt and wiseass with an anti-whitey overlay...(my kids happen to be white).

Fuck you Gene.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:11 | 2526460 GeneMarchbanks
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LOL. +1

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:27 | 2526539 JOYFUL
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ok -  thanks for the explanation...

I was a little worried that yu had fallen on yur head and hurt yurself, but now I can see that there's nothing to worry bout...light as a feather indeed!

next time yu need to unleash yur personal animosities in the most unprovoked and venomous way, do us a favor and call a help line...it's what they're there for!

When yu get those issues sorted, c'mon back and feel free to challenge someone's viewpoint...it's what we're here for!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:22 | 2526701 GeneMarchbanks
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Who doesn't love a good internet "Fuck you"?

Besides, it's totally cool, I routinely belittle corporatists( disguised as something called 'libertarians'), guest writers who write about exactly nil, people who think buying PMs is a revolutionary act, plain old garden variety morons, Status Quo shills etc etc. It's entirely possible a "Bananamerican" slipped in there somewhere. There'd be no way of knowing for sure.

Plus he/she is right, I hate white kids.

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:03 | 2527163 Bananamerican
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 the only thing saving most of us from the perception of your complete and utter cluelessness, gene, is your use of a fractal paramecium for an avatar...

You make Trav seem downright reasonable

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:48 | 2526362 JOYFUL
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WTF?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:49 | 2526349 YuropeanImbecille
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blah blah blah. I think it is perfectly fine if they nuke some shit taliban village in pakistan to take out a terrorist.

I see low level jihad taking place on a daily basis all over Europe, So do not expect any sympathy from me on that area.

 

 

They should have "suicided" the saudis 100 years ago already and taken the oil for free, the biggest mistake the western world has ever comitted was to let these crazy clansmen keep their oil AND dictated the price!

 

I know I sound like one of those evil banksters right now, but look at the world... look what they did to it!

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:53 | 2526367 hedgeless_horseman
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to let these crazy clansmen keep their oil AND dictated the price!

Keep their oil?  Saudis dictate the price?  Now that is funny!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:57 | 2526397 WestVillageIdiot
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I agree with the previous poster.  Any time property rights, freedom of speech, states' rights, etc. become even mildly inconvenient they should be dissolved.  The world would be a much better place. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:24 | 2526513 blunderdog
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Almost there!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:26 | 2527435 JeffB
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You forgot "right to life".

It's only in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution of the U.S.

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:51 | 2526372 falak pema
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there was once a crooked man who talked a crooked line; and nobody could make out if he walked like he talked;  if it was straight vodka on the rocks, double brandy talk or cocktailed triple cross! 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:52 | 2526377 JOYFUL
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now wtf?

M$B in a bear costume?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:14 | 2526469 CommunityStandard
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At least M$B is consistent.  The pedo bear is pro anarchy in one thread and pro imperialism in another.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:42 | 2526623 DaveyJones
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don't you realize that as far as "they're" concerned, we all live in "some shit taliban village?"

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 21:27 | 2527899 Go Tribe
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Wouldn't hurt to nuke israel while we're at it, home of goldman sachs. A nicely balanced wasteland in the middle east and world peace for 1000 years.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:46 | 2526354 DogSlime
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Wanting to have energy independence sounds more pragmatic than romantic.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:09 | 2526428 Chief KnocAHoma
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"How could any rational person expect their government to spend a full decade (and counting) invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting huge numbers of innocent children, women and men in multiple countries and not have its victims and their compatriots be increasingly eager to return the violence?"

I would like to say there are a LOT of assumptions made in the statement above. First and foremost - how does the writer know those children, women and men are innocent. They are, after all, living on land that is above our oil.

Chief


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:33 | 2527444 JeffB
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I gave you a +1 for the sarcasm, but after your comment below I'm starting to wonder whether it was really sarcasm.

 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:29 | 2526869 CompassionateFascist
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A recipe w/o the main ingredient: Israel. Without which, no 9/11, no endless MidEast/S. Asian wars, and no Constitution-destroying National Security State. If you can't name the Jew, you are lieing.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:12 | 2527532 ronaldawg
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Glenn Greenwald - what a tool.

Me thinks he cleans Obama's bedpan - with his tongue.

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