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Guest Post: Time To Get Out Of The Middle East

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics

Time To Get Out Of The Middle East

It takes a lot of time and effort to try to understand American counter-terrorism policy today.

Personally, I think the status quo is like trying to treat a cocaine overdose with methamphetamine. It’s like trying to cure chlamydia by having sex with multiple random strangers in a park. It’s like trying to cure a broken nose by punching oneself in the face.

Or, as Glenn Greenwald puts it:

I absolutely believe that another 9/11 is possible. And the reason I believe it’s so possible is that people like Andrew Sullivan — and George Packer — have spent the last decade publicly cheering for American violence brought to the Muslim world, and they continue to do so (now more than ever under Obama). Far from believing that another 9/11 can’t happen, I’m amazed that it hasn’t already, and am quite confident that at some point it will. How could any rational person expect their government to spend a full decade (and counting) invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting huge numbers of innocent children, women and men in multiple countries and not have its victims and their compatriots be increasingly eager to return the violence?

Isn’t it painfully obvious? The interventionist policies — occupation, drone strikes, cluster-bombing, indefinitely detention, false vaccination programs and so forth — in the middle east advocated by both “liberal” and “conservative” hawks that are supposed to prevent terrorism are creating anger, creating enemies, and creating terrorists. I too am amazed another 9/11 hasn’t happened. I despise jihadism and Islamism. It is contrary to everything I stand for. That’s exactly why I oppose a foreign policy that serves as a hugely effective recruiting tool for the totalitarian jihadists. 

Yemeni lawyer Haykal Bafana explained the rationale last month:

Dear Obama, when a U.S. drone missile kills a child in Yemen, the father will go to war with you, guaranteed. Nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

Or as convicted terrorist Faisal Shahzad put it:

Well, the drone hits in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don’t see children, they don’t see anybody. They kill women, children, they kill everybody. I am part of the answer to the U.S. terrorizing the Muslim nations and the Muslim people.  And, on behalf of that, I’m avenging the attack.  Living in the United States, Americans only care about their own people, but they don’t care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die.

Or as former CIA counter-terrorism expert Michael Scheuer noted:

The idea that has been pushed by President Clinton and President Bush and Mr. Cheney and Barack Obama and Senator McCain, that America is being attacked [for its freedom] is a disservice to the population of the United States. This war is not against Americans because we’re Americans, it’s motivated by the activities of our government and its allies in the Muslim world.

So why do we keep doing this? Two reasons: hubris and greed.

First, the hubris. We know Ron Paul was booed in South Carolina for advocating that we should do to others as we would like done to us:

My point is if another country does to us what we do others, we’re not going to like it very much. So I would say that maybe we ought to consider a golden rule in — in foreign policy. Don’t do to other nation what we don’t want to have them do to us.

But that’s just the propagandistic nature of being a superpower. Years of prosperity, military supremacy and pro-war propaganda have made it normal to believe strongly in the idea that America is intrinsically better, and wherever America goes America brings freedom, and anyone who doesn’t agree with that needs to be waterboarded until they do.

Yet however many times as the phrase “they hate us because we are free” is repeated, mantra-like by a Rick Santorum or a Newt Gingrich, it does not become truer. It is just an illusion, just a fantasy. While the jihadis were always anti-American, anti-democratic and anti-capitalistic, Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and Sayyid al-Qutb — the fathers and grandfathers of modern Wahhabism, jihadism and al-Qaeda — became anti-American militants because of America’s role in the middle east.

As bin Laden himself said:

Those who kill our women and innocent, we kill their women and innocent, until they refrain.

And even more clearly:

Free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush’s claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him explain to us why we don’t strike Sweden, for example.

Second, the greed. America is in the middle east because America likes cheap energy. That myth of America as liberators flourished first as a justification for America’s petrdollar foreign policy.

And people get rich from America being at war — so far in the region of $4 trillion has gone to fighting since 9/11. A lot of weapons contractors are happy with the status quo.

So the military-industrial complex — the lobbyists, the weapons makers, the media — may accept it if Obama kills 14 women and 21 children to get one suspected terrorist. More terrorism means more weapons spending. For the lucky few it’s a self-perpetuating stairway to riches. Yet for wider society it means spending time, money and effort on war, instead of on domestic prosperity. It means the constant threat of terrorism. And it means the loss of our liberty, as the security state adopts increasingly paranoid anti-terrorism measures.

We should do to others as we would have done to ourselves. That means — unless we are comfortable with the idea of ourselves living under military occupation and drone strikes — getting out of the middle east, and letting that region solve its own problems — forget another costly and destructive occupation in Syria. Slash the war and occupation spending, and redirect the money to making America independent of middle eastern energy and resources.


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Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:39 | 2526336 GeneMarchbanks
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You're a romantic. I can tell.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:42 | 2526342 Cognitive Dissonance
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Too subtle. Try again. :)

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:46 | 2526355 CIABS
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Another 9/11 is possible?  There hasn't been a first one that fits their description.  You can't have another without one to begin with.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:55 | 2526383 12ToothAssassin
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"We should do to others as we would have done to ourselves. That means — unless we are comfortable with the idea of ourselves living under military occupation and drone strikes..."


Wait, we dont live in a state of militarized oligarchy? Im confused.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:59 | 2526387 hedgeless_horseman
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Must watch video for this topic:

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:00 | 2526413 Fukushima Sam
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"Another 9/11."  LOL.  9/11 was an inside job.  It is so obvious I can't believe people go around saying otherwise and basing their arguments about the state of the world today on the official story.

Another 9/11 has not happened because the first accomplished its goals (plus much more) and because today they would have a much harder time getting away with the deception.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:11 | 2526459 CommunityStandard
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Of course, that must mean there was someone smart enough in the government to put it together, execute, and hide the trail flawlessly.  Hell, this mystery "man behind the curtain" should just run for public office, because IQ is sorely lacking.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:38 | 2526498 DaveyJones
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I never knew the word "flawlessly" had so many errors

how do thousands of engineers, retired military, scientists, architects, aviation experts, steel manufacturers, combustion experts, and just darn curious citizens discuss these anomalies in the first place? 

why did we immediately announce we were invading a country that to this day has no evidentiary connection but who does have the last source of undeveloped sweet accessible crude?

why did we immediately after setting up their "democracy" announce that we wanted to return to the fifties where our international oil companies didn't just have access but actually owned the elements in the ground - to which they gave us the middle finger and, don't blame them, started to doubt our intentions?

why, once in, did we move to protect oil fields and not people?

why is it an amazing coincidence that these actions coincide chronologically with not only fifty years of oil expert predictions of peak production but with Dick's secret energy meetings?

why won't the Supreme Court release Dick's energy meeting notes?

why is one of the only documents that did leak a map of Iraq's undeveloped oil?

why is that a common theme with pentagon cameras, airplane parts, and well all the steel that was immediately removed and destroyed in violation of a number of laws as evidence of the biggest crime in American history? 



Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:49 | 2526658 CommunityStandard
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Ok, should not have included the word flawlessly.  To be honest, I have not done my due dilligence on the "errors".  Got any links to the best, most prevalent theories?

I remember reading something on how it was missile and not a plane, which seemed odd since my elementary school nurse's son died on the plane, and was certainly not a made up person (my mom was his art teacher and they did the yearbook together).  Unless my mom was paid off by the government too, at which point she's been holding out on me.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:18 | 2527425 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Here's a good place to start.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 23:35 | 2528217 jeff montanye
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ok let's say 9-11 was an inside job.  still we all can agree there

is animosity against the u.s. and its vassal slave ally/commander in chief israel by the billion plus muslims in this world, right?

thus trying to kill everyone that is not as israel first as say the u.s. congress is, as donald rumsfeld asked, is going to make more of them than we kill, right?

well it will if you really don't know already.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:44 | 2527757 DaveyJones
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For that man alone, and his family, we should seek the truth. How do you know he died at the pentagon? We know for sure the plane never landed. That's about all we know. Look up the phrase. "Do the orders still stand?" Find out the witness to its speaker. Check out the missle defense system of the military headquarters of the most militarized and largest modern empire in human history along with NORAD. Find out the NORAD orders that day, their delay and their direction. Find out how many other flight terrorist simulations were on that day along with false blips on the traffic controllers screens and once again, track down who set those up. Consider how discrete that information would be and then compute the mathematecial odds of the attack coincidence. Look up statements from military investigators and airline pilots who say the damage doesn't add up and the flight pattern is nearly impossible. There's a lot more and that's just the Pentagon. But first and foremost, look up tower 7 footage and the BBC announcement that it came down fifteen minutes before it came down. Track down the european demolition experts who reviewed the tapes, not knowing it was 911 footage, and indicated without a doubt that it is controlled demolition.   

These guys have done decent work

Sat, 06/16/2012 - 00:34 | 2531413 JeffB
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"Look up the phrase. "Do the orders still stand?"


I did, thanks.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:58 | 2527815 BigJim
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 I remember reading something on how it was missile and not a plane, which seemed odd since my elementary school nurse's son died on the plane...

It's called poisoning the well. Hey, I read some patently stupid theories arguing 911 was an inside job. Ergo... all theories arguing 911 was an inside job must be stupid.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:20 | 2526500 johnQpublic
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they didnt actually hide it flawlessly at all


they own the media

they didnt have to hide it flawlessly

the story really only needs to stand up on day one

after that, rinse and repeat the lie

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:44 | 2527338 lakecity55
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Hard to fight back when the bought Zionist Media trumpets the propaganda 24/7/365.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:39 | 2526921 Diogenes
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What makes you think they put it together, executed it and hid the trail flawlessly? People were looking around and going WTF? even as it was happening. Within days it was obvious that the official story was a pack of lies but it didn't matter. The fix was in and it's still in.

The people involved couldn't care less if some conspiracy theorist figures the whole thing out. He will never get a hearing, except among fringe nut jobs, and they will make sure anyone who questions the official story will be dismissed and laughed at as a fringe nut job.

Nobody got caught and nobody ever will. The people behind it got what they wanted and moved on a long time ago.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:24 | 2527112 dolly madison
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Despite being pretty sure that 9/11 was an inside job, I myself sometimes argue this very point with people who think 9/11 was not an inside job.  Even if it wasn't an inside job, we should get out of the middle east.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 23:47 | 2528245 jeff montanye
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absolutely, dolly.  out of the middle east and, pretty much, everywhere else.  

i'm not sure about the inside jobness of it all.  certainly building 7 is fishy as all hell.  but it sure looked like planes hit it the tall ones.

i guess i'm going with an inside outside job, a little bit like the greatest control fraud in the history of the world, also known as the current financial crisis.  

banksters and politicians working together like the cia and the mujahideen.  worked to defeat then replace the ussr.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:27 | 2526542 DollarMenu
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Thanks, HH.

That was a very interesting lecture.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:17 | 2527423 JeffB
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Thanks Hedgeless, that was a very good video.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:05 | 2526430 sunaJ
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"Years of prosperity, military supremacy and pro-war propaganda have made it normal to believe strongly in the idea that America is intrinsically better, and wherever America goes America brings freedom, and anyone who doesn’t agree with that needs to be waterboarded until they do."


It's not that we Americans think we are better, it is that we think we are the best.  There is nothing to contend with what we have developed, so we will eat our tail unto our own destruction.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 10:14 | 2529171 bankruptcylawyer
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you could has well argue the pattern of false flag attacks will repeat itself because american military complex needs to have its wars. and that, the more desperate americans become, the more destructive these false flags need be. 

the next 'false flag' will be a destruction of the u.s. economy and mass hardship that the television will blame on the chinese dumping treasuries. be prepared for the big war in that case. the chinese did it! and you can play your part as an american buy buying bonds, at negative real rates and nominal 0% coupons! hooray for war bonds.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:51 | 2526981 Randall Cabot
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Romney sure isn't going to get us out of the Middle East:

And the list of Romney’s advisors reads like a neo-con Bar Mitzvah:

Michael Chertoff - Talmudic Jew. Co-chair of Romney’s Intelligence Advisory Committee. Pushing for even more of his Chertoff Strip Machines in TSA lines.

Eliot Cohen - Neocon Jew. Special advisor to Romney, author of Romney’s foreign policy White Paper.

Roger Zakheim - Neocon Jew. Co-chair of Romney’s Defense Committee. Son of Dov Zakheim.

Robert Kagan - Neocon Jew. Special advisor to Romney. Former member of PNAC that brought us Saddam’s WMD. Now heads the Foreign Policy Initiative.

Kristen Silverberg - Warmonger Jew. Co-chairs Romney’s European Affairs Committee. Wants "regime change" in Iran.

Dov Zakheim - Zionist Jew. Special Advisor to Romney. Former comptroller of the Pentagon. Key agent in the 9/11 "inside job." View Entire Story Here, Here, & Here

Moreover, neocon Jew Bill Kristol boasts that Romney will pick Talmudic Jew, Senator Joseph Lieberman, as his Secretary of State.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:42 | 2527332 lakecity55
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Meet the New Jews, same as the Old Jews.

Those guys really get around.

All Hail The Red Shield!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 23:55 | 2528273 jeff montanye
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we don't know what romney will do, he has no core beliefs.

he will probably cave to aipac, etc. and other pressure groups.                                    

however obama has committed multiple war crimes and is first on the book to commit to the power to kill u.s. citizens, on u.s. citizens by excutive order, the essence of a police state.

thanks you little constitutional professo, you. what?  

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:42 | 2526343 Bananamerican
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and you're a well-documented racist DICK.

Myself? I love breathtaking ACCURATE political overviews....

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:45 | 2526352 Gene Parmesan
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Lighten up and try reading between the lines.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:50 | 2526365 Bananamerican
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that was directed at Gene, not CogDis...

I feel light as a feather by the way...doesn't change Marchbanks status....The dude's an insufferable condescending cunt and wiseass with an anti-whitey overlay...(my kids happen to be white).

Fuck you Gene.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:11 | 2526460 GeneMarchbanks
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LOL. +1

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:27 | 2526539 JOYFUL
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ok -  thanks for the explanation...

I was a little worried that yu had fallen on yur head and hurt yurself, but now I can see that there's nothing to worry bout...light as a feather indeed!

next time yu need to unleash yur personal animosities in the most unprovoked and venomous way, do us a favor and call a help's what they're there for!

When yu get those issues sorted, c'mon back and feel free to challenge someone's's what we're here for!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:22 | 2526701 GeneMarchbanks
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Who doesn't love a good internet "Fuck you"?

Besides, it's totally cool, I routinely belittle corporatists( disguised as something called 'libertarians'), guest writers who write about exactly nil, people who think buying PMs is a revolutionary act, plain old garden variety morons, Status Quo shills etc etc. It's entirely possible a "Bananamerican" slipped in there somewhere. There'd be no way of knowing for sure.

Plus he/she is right, I hate white kids.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:03 | 2527163 Bananamerican
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 the only thing saving most of us from the perception of your complete and utter cluelessness, gene, is your use of a fractal paramecium for an avatar...

You make Trav seem downright reasonable


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:48 | 2526362 JOYFUL
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Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:49 | 2526349 YuropeanImbecille
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blah blah blah. I think it is perfectly fine if they nuke some shit taliban village in pakistan to take out a terrorist.

I see low level jihad taking place on a daily basis all over Europe, So do not expect any sympathy from me on that area.



They should have "suicided" the saudis 100 years ago already and taken the oil for free, the biggest mistake the western world has ever comitted was to let these crazy clansmen keep their oil AND dictated the price!


I know I sound like one of those evil banksters right now, but look at the world... look what they did to it!


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:53 | 2526367 hedgeless_horseman
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to let these crazy clansmen keep their oil AND dictated the price!

Keep their oil?  Saudis dictate the price?  Now that is funny!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:57 | 2526397 WestVillageIdiot
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I agree with the previous poster.  Any time property rights, freedom of speech, states' rights, etc. become even mildly inconvenient they should be dissolved.  The world would be a much better place. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:24 | 2526513 blunderdog
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Almost there!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:26 | 2527435 JeffB
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You forgot "right to life".

It's only in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution of the U.S.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:51 | 2526372 falak pema
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there was once a crooked man who talked a crooked line; and nobody could make out if he walked like he talked;  if it was straight vodka on the rocks, double brandy talk or cocktailed triple cross! 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:52 | 2526377 JOYFUL
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now wtf?

M$B in a bear costume?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:14 | 2526469 CommunityStandard
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At least M$B is consistent.  The pedo bear is pro anarchy in one thread and pro imperialism in another.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:42 | 2526623 DaveyJones
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don't you realize that as far as "they're" concerned, we all live in "some shit taliban village?"

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 21:27 | 2527899 Go Tribe
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Wouldn't hurt to nuke israel while we're at it, home of goldman sachs. A nicely balanced wasteland in the middle east and world peace for 1000 years.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:46 | 2526354 DogSlime
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Wanting to have energy independence sounds more pragmatic than romantic.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:09 | 2526428 Chief KnocAHoma
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"How could any rational person expect their government to spend a full decade (and counting) invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting huge numbers of innocent children, women and men in multiple countries and not have its victims and their compatriots be increasingly eager to return the violence?"

I would like to say there are a LOT of assumptions made in the statement above. First and foremost - how does the writer know those children, women and men are innocent. They are, after all, living on land that is above our oil.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:33 | 2527444 JeffB
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I gave you a +1 for the sarcasm, but after your comment below I'm starting to wonder whether it was really sarcasm.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:29 | 2526869 CompassionateFascist
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A recipe w/o the main ingredient: Israel. Without which, no 9/11, no endless MidEast/S. Asian wars, and no Constitution-destroying National Security State. If you can't name the Jew, you are lieing.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:12 | 2527532 ronaldawg
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Glenn Greenwald - what a tool.

Me thinks he cleans Obama's bedpan - with his tongue.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 22:29 | 2528085 dolce vita
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you should here a knock on your door any minute now...


"We here at the FEMA/NSA/FBI/CIA/NDAA/TSA States Of Pertpetual Survallince will not tolerate any semblance of COMMON SENSE. You have violated one or more of our secret codes of sheeple dumbeddowneddumbfuckinish"

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:40 | 2526338 V in PA
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Get out of the Eastern Hemisphere.



Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:50 | 2526366 CIABS
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...and South and Central America.  And Canada.  Fixed.  Or did I forget anything?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:59 | 2526409 Dr. Richard Head
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Just a couple -

Germany (GR)
Japan (JP)
British Indian Ocean Territory
South Korea
United Arab Emirates
Main article: Bulgarian-American Joint Military Facilities
Saudi Arabia
South Korea
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom (tenant facilities only)


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:06 | 2526433 CommunityStandard
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You, sir, win all the awards.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:08 | 2526436 Dr. Richard Head
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Come to think of it, all active military bases in oversea locations requires those sovereign nations to give control of their central banks purchases and assets to the US.  Kind of interesting that Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain have our US military footprint on them. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:39 | 2527590 CIABS
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Hey Doc, I said "and" South and Central America, etc.  That was in addition to V-in-PA's mention of the Eastern Hemisphere.  But thanks for the list.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:49 | 2526968 kensuneit
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That's actually where I had meant to say "Holy Crap"!  We are so seriously involved globally that there is no way to reverse the trend and save face.  We have only continued direction as a choice at this point.  Sadly.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:33 | 2527146 Chief KnocAHoma
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Yeah really sad that the greatest country on earth has managed to largely keep the peace since WWII. I know about Korea, Vietnam, ME and all those other little skirmishes, but think about that... the World has largely been at peace since 1942.

Are we perfect? Not by a long fucking shot! But with the US at the helm the World is better off. After all it could have been Hitler, or those commie bastards, or the Muslems.... yeah all of those courses would be better for humanity...

Here is an idea... take your head out of your ass quit blaming America first. There are already enough people doing that, like the current ass hole in the White House. Sadly... due largely to American kindness... the evil forces are closer now to taking control than at anytime since the end of WWII. They have convinced youth through years of programing that socialism is cool... and they forgot to inform them that full on communism is just one step further.



Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:06 | 2527663 prole
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We are the Commie Bastards now. As for the "muslems" you warn against, besides arming them, training them, running air strikes for them and winning their wars for them from Kosova to Iraq to Syria is there anything else you would like to offer world Islam?

I'll answer for you "Yes, piles of Christian corpses rotting in the sun, in the name of Allah"

US Military/Insdustrial complex "Done, give us a few weeks in Syria"

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 21:44 | 2527951 Unique Snowflake
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Thank fuck for America. I mean if it wasn't for you making sure the earth orbits the sun, we would have flown off into space long ago. I don't seem to recall there being many world wars prior to the creation of the FED.

Thanks America, for jamming your opinion down every other culture's throat. Because all humans must be the same, right? And since you're the best, even if your own invented god says so, all humans must be compelled to behave like you. Thanks for destroying the wealth of the world, including your own citizens, in order to fill the bellies of a few entitled scum. Thanks for your massive ego, thanks for your lies, thanks for the death of millions of innocents at your hands. Thanks for raping other countries and pillaging their resources, yet still claiming the moral high ground. Thanks for forcing crippling loans at interest onto poor Africam nations, further amplifying their struggle with poverty. Thanks for relentlessly stupifying your own population. You could have been a contender, but you prefered a population of dullards, devoid of imagination, unable to think, create or see beyond their own immediate needs. You were once a great country. As were many before you. You were too stupid or greedy or weak willed to learn from the downfall of those who went before, and your downfall will play out the same way.

Thanks America. You've done the human race proud.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:42 | 2527601 rwe2late
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 There is one large base that deserves mention even on any short list:

Camp Bondsteel,

located in the most despicable and criminal US ally, Kosovo.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 21:43 | 2527948 Go Tribe
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This is what money laundering looks like in the 21st Century.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:56 | 2526371 TruthInSunshine
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It will never happen barring an all out revolution.

The Military-Financial/Banking-MultiNationalCorporate Complex owns the U.S. Government, its alleged "elected representatives," and regulators, along with any alleged components that are supposed to comprise a "check" or a "balance," lock, stock and barrel.


The roughly 44% of Americans that pay any net taxes (of widely varying degrees and percentages, but they do pay, nonetheless) will continue to be used, abused, drained and fleeced, even to the point of sepsis, if need be, to continue feeding the Military-Financial/Banking-MultiNationalCorporate Complex, because the FMC owns the joint.

Nothing will change until they no longer own the government.

War is the most profitable business ever devised, especially in tandem with finance. Mayer Amschel amped up the profitabilty of the business when he sent his little scout to report back to him on Napoleon's result at Waterloo, alllowing him to buy the British People like slaves.


Wake Up Call - New World Order Documentary - Remastered


War is a Racket by Smedley Butler
  • War Is a Racket is the title of two works, a speech and a booklet, by retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two time Medal of Honor recipient Smedley D. Butler.


Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower exit speech on Jan.17,1961. Warning us of the military industrial complex


Joe Rogan -- The American War Machine
Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:09 | 2526450 Element
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That Joe Rogan video is a cracker.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:28 | 2526550 Normalcy Bias
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That Joe Rogan gets around. One day he's lighting up the MIC, and on another day, he's cheering on bimbos drinking donkey piss and semen. Go figure...

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 23:59 | 2528281 JeffB
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Thanks for the link,

Wake Up Call - New World Order Documentary - Remastered

It was well done so I watched the full 2 1/2 hr documentary. I'll have to check out the other links later.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:43 | 2526346 Abitdodgie
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Like thats going to happen, we will do what we always do bomb the crap out of them , totally destroy the inferstructure and steal the gold oil etc . But of course the main reason so Rothchilds can set up a central bank ,at interest. Welcome to slavery.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:29 | 2526525 Chief KnocAHoma
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Is it possible the Rothchilds get a bad rap? I mean I have known really wealthy families but it seems every few generations even their genes spit out a knucklehead... look at Prince Charles... if he wasn't royalty he'ld be the worst employee at McDonalds, or he would be in jail for being a pedofile. Of course he'ld love the ass action in prison, but you get my point.

Is it really possible for one family to acquire World dominance?

Just asking a question. Don't junk me bitch.



Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:40 | 2526927 CompassionateFascist
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'Course not. It's two families: Rothschild + Warburg. + a rather large, and mostly Tribal, support staff.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:20 | 2527104 Chief KnocAHoma
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Is "Tribal" code for Jewish?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:53 | 2526350 dwdollar
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The wars keep MANY engineers employed who wouldn't otherwise be employed in the private sector. And then we have idiots telling kids to get a science/engineer degree or else they'll be unemployed like the art and business majors. What a load of BS. I'm sick of it all.

One old friend from high school is an engineer for a DoD contractor. The other is an engineer for a prosthetic company. One blows people apart, the other puts them back together again. You can't make this shit up.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:00 | 2526403 Skateboarder
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As a graduating engineer, you are given three choices:

1) Work on cool shit, but that cool shit is used to enslave or kill people.

2) Work on lame shit and waste your time, but at least you're not doing anything directly evil.

3) Be unemployed, underemployed, or do your own shit.


They also don't make real engineers anymore - you know... the kind that think and solve problems that haven't been addressed yet. "Engineers" today are a fucken joke and a half... nincompoops at worst and direction-followers at best.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:53 | 2526378 Element
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Wot? .... there's a counter terrorism policy?


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:54 | 2526384 WestVillageIdiot
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"They hate us for our freedoms."  Shout that nice and loud in Zuccotti Park and then wait to see which happens first, the lightning strike or the blast from an NYPD taser.  Meanwhile 2 blocks away the biggest anarchists ever to walk the planet merrily go about their business of rape an destruction, protected by the same NYPD goons. 

They sure do hate us for our freedom just as sure as Maria Bartiromo and Bob Pisani are employed for their intelligence.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:54 | 2526385 Clint Liquor
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Obama kills 14 women and 21 children to get one suspected terrorist

At least we didn't waterboard them because that would be really bad.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:00 | 2526412 WestVillageIdiot
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Can't we just force the jihadists to watch CNBC all day long, Clockwork Orange style?  That's right, that would be far too cruel.  I would rather be bombed by a drone than listen to those drones.  Ten minutes of Cramer, Quintanilla or Quick makes me want to blow my fucking head off.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:06 | 2526717 TruthInSunshine
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Forcing anyone to watch CNBC for any period of time longer than a few seconds constitutes torture even by the tacit acknowledgment of the world's most despotic and vile dictators. It was the one punishment that both Idi Amin & Kim Jong-Il both barred.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:57 | 2526399 kito
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ha ha ha time to get out of the middle east. when was it time to occupy it? when was it time to entrench ourselves there? 

hey, its also time to end lust, greed, glutton, sloth, wrath, envy and pride........

its time for world peace.........

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 18:42 | 2527464 taxpayer102
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New York, NY (June 13, 2012) -- Appearing on a live broadcast of Brian Lehrer Radio Show at The Green Space, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) called for a new approach to peace. He explained H.R. 808, his legislation to establish a Cabinet-level Department of Peace. H.R. 808, which seeks to address the causes of violence both nationally and internationally, currently has 52 cosponsors. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:17 | 2527543 ronaldawg
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Wasn't that in the Big Lebowski?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 21:57 | 2527989 Unique Snowflake
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Hey, fucknut US senators! I've got a novel approach to peace for you. How about the "Leave other people the fuck alone" bill. 8,654 pages of legislation designed to set a legal framework, address the the causes of bombing brown folk to death and set in place systems to just, well,  leave other people the fuck alone!


Support LOPFA. Vote YES!! to LOPFA.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 13:59 | 2526405 Oldrepublic
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Freedom is easily lost and hard to regain.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:01 | 2526415 WestVillageIdiot
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Like virginity?  Of course that wasn't that easy to lose way back when. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:03 | 2526422 JOYFUL
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...Living in the United States, Americans only care about their own people, but they don’t care about the people elsewhere in the world when they die.

If only it were so...but Merikans don't even care bout their own anymore...if they did, they would have woken up long ago to the realization that going far n abroad to find innocent civilians to kill, torture or maim, in the name of 'freedom', is an excellent way to bring about a kind of kosmic payback that happens when kabbalists work their spells to make the konsequences of their krimes kome back onto other innocents....e.g...the innocent civilian populations of the west who will be shortly experiencing what it means to every aspect of their waking lives turned into a living those Iraqis, Afghans, Palestinians, n Libyans who got in the way of "greater Israel"


it really didn't have to end like this. Komplicity is always a choice

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:07 | 2526437 New American Re...
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Coward.   You want to leave after we've kicked the hive over and pissed on the bees swarming to attack anything and everybody.   We have a responsibility there now to restore not only the problem we created, but the problem that we enabled.  Let me be specific, by coddling the Saudi's, who have been financing the Wahhabi movement of jihad for the last 40 years, we have set in motion a perverted version of Islam and allowed it to strike, kill, obliterate, and destroy true Islam of the Prophet Mohammad.   Everything that is happening in Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, and everything in between is a direct result of an American based upon the immediacy of instant gratification on the part of the financial system we allowed Richard Nixon to unleash, and its been progressively been raising hell since.

We can't leave because as you point out, it will follow us home.   What we do need to do is to get real on who are our friends (if we have any left), and who are our REAL enemies, and focus our killing the latter, while assisting the former.   What we need is vision, and I don't see that in either candidate for President.   So let's take back Congress.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:10 | 2526456 Dr. Richard Head
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I guess you are not a fan of history then.  We cannot fix the problem of armed terrorists by arming other groups of terrorists.  That is the way our government has been trying to fix these problems.

It's like trying to create more debt to solve a debt problem. ....Wait....damint.  We are screwed.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:18 | 2527545 ronaldawg
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Yeah - ur right - let's do it the ole fashioned way - Nuke 'em and let GOD sort it out.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:12 | 2526463 LFMayor
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Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:18 | 2526476 Lednbrass
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Folks thought they tried that in 2010, most of them caved and joined the establishment. It was quite instructive when West voted for the debt increase and started insulting anyone who didnt agree with his massive sell out.

I would also mention that if you want to occupy the ME, freaking pay for it- quit reaching into my pocket in order to fund your progressive fantasies about it being the task of the US government to make the world fair.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:37 | 2526592 kinetik
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Rofl, "progressive" fantasies. Well played sir.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:19 | 2527546 ronaldawg
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Can we stop and sing Kumbaya now?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 19:19 | 2527547 ronaldawg
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Can we stop and sing Kumbaya now?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:08 | 2526440 ebworthen
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Our soldiers care, but the military industrial complex doesn't.

This is why Eisenhower made such a stark warning when he left the Presidency.

Oil is now essential for growing food; petrochemicals are used to create fertilizer, herbicides, pesticides, and fuel the planting and harvesting equipment of an ever increasing corporate farming/fiber/food system.

Images of Grandpa on a little tractor and Asians in paddies and behind an oxen are passe; oil is now the horse, the oxen, the tiller, the harvester.

The poor people of the Middle East happen to live in the center of the largest "food" reserve in the world, not to mention the nexus of three religious traditions, prophecies included.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:13 | 2526465 LFMayor
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brilliant sir.   This means there's gonna be a fight, i take it?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:36 | 2526586 Uncle Remus
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All this is relevant how?


Ok, ok.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:12 | 2526464 LMAOLORI
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Peace Prize President ROFLMAO 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:25 | 2526520 Bob
Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:28 | 2526546 Tuco Benedicto ...
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"So why do we keep doing this? Two reasons: hubris and greed."


Wrong!  We are in the middle east because the international banks that have hijacked the U. S. Government want "their" troops there.  The globalists in WDC are no longer Americans!  They are former Americans.

The odds are greater for a U. S. citizen to be killed by a bee sting than a true terrorist (not a CIA operative).

Death to the New World Order!


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:33 | 2527312 lakecity55
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To the Elites, CIA is their information clearing house.

That's why you only see Elites at the helm.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:21 | 2526495 epwpixieq-1
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The moment US is out of the Middle East ( and I am not talking about Iraq only, but also all of the military bases in the Gulf region ), the Dollar will loose it reserve currency status, for it's current "backstopper" the Oil will be repriced in Gold.

Buy itself this will be a VERY good thing for this country, but of course, as all, very good things, it will bring a lot of pain to the inefficient system we currently have ( and are used to ) and will cripple it very very fast. But if US is to survive, it will have to embrace a more meaningful existence in the world or perish, as many other inflexible cultures before it.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:24 | 2526514 icanhasbailout
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What the US government does abroad is practice for what it plans to do here.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:29 | 2526554 Mark123
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Too true, but they don't have to work as hard here at home since all they need is the TV networks.  I'll bet the "defense" contractors are pissed at how effective TV is. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:24 | 2526517 alien-IQ
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Bad ideas and policies continue to flourish because they are in the best interest of a few powerful people.

They don't give a shit about the "unwashed masses".

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:27 | 2526540 Mark123
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I worry that some religious fanatics who base their whole life on ancient biblical prophecies will get their hands on nuclear weapons and build a massive, well equipped military.


Oh wait, we already have Israel.


but...but...but...they are GOOD religious fanatics right?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:34 | 2526578 jomama
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zionism is a secular movement hiding behind judaism.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:37 | 2526595 Uncle Remus
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Don't try telling the zionists that...

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:30 | 2527307 lakecity55
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Those are Zionistas, not followers of the Torah.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:41 | 2526617 americanspirit
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Since 'Vengence is Mine, sayeth the Lord", this I pray. Please oh please oh please let just and deserved retribution fall on Washington DC while congress and the supreme court are in session, while there is major banking legislation being passed - to guarantee that all the bankers and lobbyists will be there -  and while there is a huge diplomatic dinner at the White House. If it's not asking too much, let all the major networks' top correspondants be covering the events live. And (I know I'm reaching here but please, if at all possible) limit the effect of your divine vengence to a 1 mile radius from the Washington monument. Is that too much to ask, Lord? Or whoever.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 14:59 | 2526695 AchtungAffen
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It doesn't surprise me at all that there hasn't been a 9/11 redux. After all it was a political maneuver by those in power to gain consensus and drive the population by their noses. They haven't had much need of such a catalyst yet. Once the system cogs start stopping or once they start losing grip on power, you'll see as many 9/11 as it'll take to dumb the US population down again.

It's not about people in caves planning attacks. It's about people in Washington and Langley planning them in their ultra secret secure bunkers.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:19 | 2526821 el Gallinazo
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There have been plenty of 9/11's since 2001.  They have just been on a smaller stage, and for the most part, outside the USA, particularly in western Europe.  This assumes, of course, that the Gulf Oil Volcano and Fuk-U-Shima, both of which will eventually result in human fatalities making 9/11 appear infinitesmal, were accidents caused by simple stupidity and greed.  I see the possibility for a really big show during the time of the Olympics this summer, which might dwarf 9/11.  The muppets need to be scared shitless again.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:25 | 2527284 Think for yourself
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I hope you're as far off the mark as the warmongers' rhetoric, but I fear you're hitting the nail on the head.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:08 | 2526726 el Gallinazo
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"Or, as Glenn Greenwald puts it:

I absolutely believe that another 9/11 is possible. And the reason I believe"


Anyone who still professes that 9/11 was caused by boxcutting Arabs and not an inside job by the Shadow Government, 11 years after the fact, is too fucking stupid or gullible to take anything they say seriously.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:54 | 2526993 Westcoastliberal
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Good to see you here Mr. Buzzard; I enjoy your posts over on AutomaticEarth.

One thing to add re 9/11...the "Justice" dept spent more money on the John Edwards witchhunt than was spent "investigating" 9/11.  That should tell you everything.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 21:13 | 2527857 essence
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I believe the buzzard flew the TAE coop.  It seems he posts sporatically at doomstead diner now.
I welcome his insights too, where ever they pop up.

As for TAE, while a devout deflationist, ILargi has a world class mind and his trenchant posts are always worth a read, but otherwise there's not much reason to go there far as I'm concerned.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:31 | 2526886 shovelhead
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Making the world safe for the Petro-Dollar.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:43 | 2526916 Zero Govt
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"Obama kills 14 women and 21 children to get one suspected terrorist."

well he did want to assasinate people without trial ...seems his every murderous wish is already granted

The US President is Dead.. Long Live the US Tyrant Thug

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:33 | 2526934 TheObsoleteMan
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But the kenyan pretender is a Nobel Peace Prize winner, he would'nt kill innocent women and children would he? I mean, it's all about keeping us safe from rock throwers 7,000 miles away from us, right?

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:44 | 2526952 kensuneit
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Dr. Richard Head, since you put it that way--Holy Crap!!!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 15:47 | 2526957 TheObsoleteMan
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Funny thing, not even the fictious Tony Montana had the corrupt morals to take out his hit when he saw his wife and child were present, yet the kenyan does......

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:14 | 2527080 Miffed Microbio...
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May I add a third category to the counter- terrorism policy? How about "protecting the willfully oblivious world of the average American soccer mom"? I almost got hit by one today in a brand new Escalade and I got the feeling she didn't care some unknown child was killed in some faraway land so she could have access to cheap oil and enjoy a privileged life. I'm sure she'll vote for Obamma to keep her " safe " from all those nasty terrorists, the details of which don't interest her. Don't underestimate the power of that voting block to sway policy.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:34 | 2527731 prole
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Cheap oil? Your wasteful Rabbinical Wars in "over there" make the price of oil times ten. Every gallon of gas your soccer mom puts in her (federal paycheck) dollar paid SUV also has to fund ten gallons of war machine oil "over there"

End all these idiotic wars (which are to the benefit of war companies and a special little country "ally" I'm told) end the wars and the price of oil is cut in half ditto taxes.

"Cheap oil and a privileged life" don't make me laugh.

More like "free everything and a privileged life" for the aperatchiks and nomenclatura of the military industrial complex. Cannon fodder get their heads blown off as usual. Taxpayers pick up the bill for the whole party.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 16:25 | 2527116 The Navigator
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This is an Empire gone mad; a total thugocracy.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:04 | 2527238 Money 4 Nothing
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The war in Syria:

This set aside, the implications of a face off with Russia against American forces are very real.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:42 | 2527766 mjk0259
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That's happened a lot already. US weapons proved incomparably superior in Middle East many times at least when operated by Israeli's vs Arabs including Syria many times. Syria's recent war history looks like 3 stooges. Now when VietNamese operated them, that was a different story. Nothing to worry about with Syria except whether they will retreat too fast to be shot.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:27 | 2527296 lakecity55
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Any male of "fighting age" is counted as a combatant in a drone strike, even if video shows them unarmed.

The Bankster families who control both sides in most conflicts need to be exposed and deposed.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:44 | 2527772 mjk0259
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They believe such a death results in heaven with a bunch of virgins, right? They would probably volunteer to be hit by a drone.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:47 | 2527337 Marley
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Zeitgiest Addendum;

"The crisis is a crisis in consciousness. A crisis that cannot anymore accept the old norms,  the old patterns,the ancient traditions...

..And considering what the world is now with all the misery, conflict, distructive brutality, aggression, and so on.  Man is still as he was, is still brutal, violent, aggressive, acquisitive, competitive....

And he has built a society along these lines"!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 17:54 | 2527368 Sticks
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The aggregate effect of all the stateless terrorists acting today, and indeed, historically, is nothing - nothing - compared to State Terror.  And the worst offender on this planet today is the USA.  Our elites - mad dogs really - having caused the twin disasters of the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions and occupations, and suffering no negative consequences (many are richer and more powerful), are designing the architecture for global dominance, of which drone missile technology is parcel and part. 

Revolution is highly unlikely here, and reform is beyond question. Pray for the collapse of the U.S. 

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 22:26 | 2528078 thefedisscam
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Very well said!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 20:38 | 2527754 mjk0259
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What were the French, Austrians's, Spanish, etc doing to the Muslims centuries ago when the Muslims invaded and enslaved most of Europe- nothing. Not like these are Tibetan's or something. They love fighting. Makes them important.


Thu, 06/14/2012 - 21:58 | 2527994 dolph9
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Dear Americans:

It's clear that you and your children must die to protect Israel, until the end of time itself.

That was always going to be the endpoint of Christian theology, wasn't it?

Live in the stew of your own making.

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 22:27 | 2528069 thefedisscam
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>>Obama kills 14 women and 21 children to get one suspected terrorist<<


And Americans still wonder why terrorists want to kill Americans? What a joke!

Thu, 06/14/2012 - 22:45 | 2528122 headless blogger
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Watch "The Power Principle", by Scott Noble. Its a Free documentary on the U.S. in 3 parts: Empire, Propaganda, Apocalypse. You can watch it at Metanoia films:

it's long. each part is about 1 1/2 hours. But it was excellent.

You'll find familiar stuff along with things you might not know, such as the U.S. involvement in pretty much everything, including arming and training "rebels" all over the world. What Americans see as Unrest in some foreign nation, is usually a lot bigger story behind the U.S. being responsible. The media packages it up nicely so it doesn't look like the U.S. was involved.

Fri, 06/15/2012 - 00:37 | 2528347 Joseph Jones
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Believe it or not (I'll post the source upon request), in the late 19th C the Christian world was predominantly not "futurist" in its eschatology (futurists belive in a still-future "Parousia" or coming of Christ...Preterists believe Christ came (his so-called 2nd coming) in 70 AD when the Roman army destroyed the Hebrew temple, marking the end of all Hebrew polity...the "time of the end" not the "end of time").

It's reasonable to mark the early-mid 19th C as the time when the Rabbis made the big push to brainwash believers that the apostate so-called modern "Jews" (Jesus was not a Jew because the word did not exist till 1775 AD so says the Oxford dictionary) were the descendents of Abraham, and that Jesus would come again in Jerusalem. 

The tool of the Rabbis, the start of Zionist Christianity, was the Scofield Reference Bible, the first English Bible with liner notes instructing its naive readers how to understand the text.  Scofield introduced to the West the ideas upon which is based much of the lies and deceit supporting our foreign policy errors, such as our "unbreakable bond" with Israel.

Scofield introduced premillenial eschatology and other apostosies to the Christian world.

Scofield was a criminal and a scoflaw who deserted his American family.  He lands in Oxford and gets his Bible publish even though he was practically illiterate and unpublished, a remarkable feet at Oxford. 

It's not a coincidence that much of Oxford's rulers were Judaic and/or Judaic sypathizers, anxoius to convert the powerful West into sycophants (read slaves) of the ruling Rabbi class. 

Hence the dawn of a theology that now has the stupidest believers in the world sending money to Jews so they can help move from far parts of the world back to Jerusalem so they can be burned to a crisp by Jesus when he allegedly returns if they don't bow to Him. 

No fiction could touch this insane truth. 

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