Guest Post: The True Intrinsic Value of Euro 'Money'

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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:53 | 1856057 Quinvarius
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The Dollar is right there too.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:57 | 1856067 Pladizow
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For this recently passed Guy Faux Night I constucted an Uncle Sam Dummy filled with US$ - It burt quite well!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:48 | 1856258 Theosebes Goodfellow
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My dear Pladizow, I fear you may have jumped the shark. You should wait until after the USD loses all of its intrinsic value. Better yet, exchange them before that happens. I do believe that was the intent of the post in the first place.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:56 | 1856292 Pladizow
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I dont know if something can lose its intrinsic value, but rather be reduced to it?

In my attempt to be a savy investor I was mearly looking forward 12-18 months.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:36 | 1856757 dlmaniac
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"If US Dollar is I_Owe_U_Nothing then Euro is Who_Owes_U_Nothing. " / Doug Casey

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:16 | 1856364 trav7777
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I haven't come across a more specious argument either.

Like the EUR POG will rise to 11k but the price of wastepaper won't?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:57 | 1856068 Oh regional Indian
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Well, poor poor singapore then huh? I'm sure their plastic money will not burn too well.


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:59 | 1856591 mraptor
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My point exactly. Many people complain on this site Euro this, Euro that.... but the rate euro/usd is not even 1:1, but 1:1.37 after all the debacles in Europe !! go figure..

From 0.8 to 1.37 ... ~70%++  increase from its creation.

If I had to decide what is the rate by the number of the articles here, I would expect it to be at least 1:1 ;)

I'm not saying both are not toast, just seem a little bit biased, don't you think ?

My oppinion have been that Euro at the end will be always the stronger currency, unless it breaks apart before that of course.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 12:29 | 1856733 Long-John-Silver
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Now I understand why they want a US Dollar coin and eliminate the paper $1 Bill.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 13:26 | 1856937 Sudden Debt
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I don't think this calculation can be right. I just know that metal wire in the bills is also worth something, and that metal price isn't used in the calculations.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:55 | 1856062 TuesdayBen
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Fiat makes an adequate replacement for lost Monopoly notes.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:57 | 1856065 ToNYC
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All the analysis will not prevent Germany from economic and productive success. The rest of You rope can look and learn.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:57 | 1856066 WALLST8MY8BALL
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Couldnt you weave the notes into a nice comfortor or a Snugi?



Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:59 | 1856073 Oh regional Indian
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Calhorrific value FTW!

For the Winter that is.


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:10 | 1856074 SheepDog-One
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So then when do the wheels fly off the collapsed fiats? Not today at least, as usual. Its all screwed, but for today we dine on pumped futures.

A sign OF the fiats collapsing, but whatever, as we'll have the DOW at record highs and gas $7.50. CNBC will be pumped into FEMA camps to show us how 'all is well'.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:18 | 1856129 Snidley Whipsnae
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"CNBC will be pumped into FEMA camps to show us how 'all is well'."

Only the unfortunate will alight in FEMA camps. The lucky will be shot because their morale hasn't improved.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 09:59 | 1856075 ziggy59
Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:20 | 1856134 SilverRhino
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Clawbacks anyone?  

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:00 | 1856078 midtowng
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Gold doesn't burn! And you can't eat it!

What more do you need to know?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:50 | 1856262 ChanceIs
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Yes, but you can take gold anywhere and turn it into iPads, which have been show to be not only filling but very nutrious.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:53 | 1856279 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Gold doesn't burn! And you can't eat it!"~

But woodcutters will work for it. Especially when the time comes that they won't work for Euros.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:02 | 1856082 Shizzmoney
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€500 notes and you can heat your house 10.8 seconds

And wipe your ass for a good month.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:04 | 1856085 Captain Benny
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Everyone else compares how much bread a dollar will buy versus an ounce of gold during inflation or deflation.  Makes me wonder if during "biflation" we should just buy the loaves and hoard them in our safes....

In all seriousness, its a great set of calculations -- However heat/energy is not the only measure of fiat money.  One mustn't forget that the comparisons above have the ounce of gold BUYING paper versus the fiat currency BEING the paper.  Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:22 | 1856147 Snidley Whipsnae
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Learning the art of baking bread ... and storing flower in vacuum sealed containers ...might work out well.

I think of fiat just as I think of monopoly money... helps keep all in perspective.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:06 | 1856088 SheepDog-One
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Whats the calorific value of one of these fatass bankers or Eurozone leaders? Burn one of those and heat your house for a good couple days I bet.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:45 | 1856243 LongBallsShortBrains
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You would pay a lot more to get the smell out of the sheepdog house, but you could sell tickets to watch. Maybe even get one of those cable cooking shows to .....ah never mind... Wishful thinking.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:50 | 1856263 Believable-Hypocrite
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I'm sure the caloric value is high with all the fat, however the the smoke from a burning pig is horrific and it isn't very eco friendly.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:57 | 1856297 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"What's the calorific value of one of these fatass bankers or Eurozone leaders?"~

Are there enough to go around? I'll take one. Make mine plumpish, please!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:09 | 1856096 Shylockracy
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Just yesterday i noticed that among a number of Euro bills, nearly all €500er had the initial serial number X (printed in Germany), whereas almos all €100ers sported the dreadful S (printed in Italy). This was the last time I accepted Euro notes not branded X.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:10 | 1856098 nontaxpayer
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"but 1 ounce gold based on James Turk's price expectation of €11,000/oz will keep your house heated for 23 years. "


Sure is cheap electricity in Austria.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:12 | 1856109 apberusdisvet
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Better to bake bread with 1 oz of gold inside and stick it in your freezer.  My grandmother did that with Morgan Silver Dollars because she felt that the bread would last longer.  She was way ahead of her time on silver's antibacterial properties.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:23 | 1856151 blindman
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:30 | 1856187 OutLookingIn
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Itrinsic value?

How about just plain old purchasing power?

Voltaire was absolutely right. The final value of fiat is zero, or it's "intrinsic" value of starting a campfire, or as ass-wipe! Now holding physical gold and silver is another story, altogether different. Got gold? got silver?

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:35 | 1856208 FederalReserveB...
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Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:36 | 1856213 Bahamas
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Where I live, I do not need heating. The sun provides for it all year round free of charge.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:43 | 1856240 Nothing To See Here
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Can't you also sell useless paper to recycling factories? Wonder what you can get for a load of euro notes.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:47 | 1856255 AE911Truth
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The ECB lists Gold on it's balance sheet at a price that is marked to market four times each year. As the price of Gold rises, the Euro is more fully valued, backed by Gold. Check it out.


Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:56 | 1856291 prizza
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wiki answers says the dollar is made of cotton and linen. dollar bill blankets and robes!

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 10:59 | 1856304 AE911Truth
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clear example can be found on the Eurosystem's Consolidated Financial Statement. The primary medium of exchange is on the right-hand side, and the secondary medium of exchange is on the left. Look at how Line #1 has grown in proportion to the whole of the reserves (secondary media of exchange) from 30% to more than 65% in a decade.

Gold is listed as line item number one.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:03 | 1856324 Internet Tough Guy
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Correct, and euros will buy gold from system banks. I doubt europeans will choose to eat their paper given this use; perhaps the author of this foolish article should eat his words.

Tue, 11/08/2011 - 11:02 | 1856319 AE911Truth
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If the USG did this, they would welcome a higher price of gold.
Unfortunately, the USG spends billions suppressing the gold price.
Huge waste of money.

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