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Guest Post: The Truth Hurts - And Heals

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

The Truth Hurts--And Heals

Confidence in a systemically corrupt financial system cannot be restored without a complete public exposure of all the lies, fraud, misinformation and complicity.

The truth has a unique sting, and an equally unique ability to heal the destruction wrought by dishonesty, fraud and lies. The truth hurts, because the daylight of truth demands changes that the self-serving and those in denial desperately wish to avoid.

But there can be no healing or reconciliation without the truth, baldly stated and plainly spoken without artifice or spin.

If we can finally be truthful with ourselves as a nation, then we must admit that our financial system is fundamentally based on lies, fraud, embezzlement, misinformation, perverse filters and incentives, shadow systems that mock transparency and regulation, class privilege and the systemic flouting of the rule of law.

This is the truth that hurts because it reveals the financial system as one stupendous exploitative fraud; but it also reveals the complicity and irrelevance of our judicial system and the complete capture of the legislative and Executive processes of governance.

There is a system of government in which rule of law is merely a propaganda screen, where financial and political Elites run the show and escape the consequences of their actions: it's called tyranny. The truth is that we live in a financial tyranny.

There is no other truthful way to describe the U.S.

If you want evidence, then ask yourself:

How many people have been indicted, convicted and served time for financial crimes during the current era of financial fraud and malfeasance, the most pervasive in U.S. history?

Answer: essentially none; the number is signal noise.

Was the American public lied to about the need and true purpose of TARP and the other bank bailouts?

Answer: yes.

Did Congress meekly cave into the demands to "save the banks" and swallow whole the most absurd threats, i.e. save our cronies lest anarchy become the order of the day?

Answer: yes.

Did the Federal Reserve backstop the banks to the tune of $7.7 trillion in complete secrecy?

Answer: yes.

Are there two sets of laws and rules, one for the Financial and Political Elites, who are free from oversight and the rule of law, and another for the rest of us?

Answer: yes. Just look at the massive level of corruption and systemic fraud, and the near-zero number of investigations which result in indictments, convictions and prison time.

Has anything been done to change any of this systemically?

Answer: no. The Kleptocratic Power Elite likes the system as is.

This is the perfection of financial tyranny.

The Status Quo is anxious to "restore confidence" in their corrupt financial tyranny, but without confessing the corruption or naming names. In a system constructed of lies, then sweeping the lies under the carpet and acting like "everything's fixed now, let's move on" restores nothing--rather, it proves the system is a sham.

Nothing is fixed until the whole truth and nothing but the truth is revealed for all to see, in broad daylight. This is the origin of the Truth and Reconciliation Commissions that have been established after a brutal tyranny has finally fallen, and the ruined nation seeks to heal itself from the misrule and exploitation of its Elites and from the officially sanctioned coverups of systemic corruption and predation.

Quite frankly, the American system of justice is too far gone, too corrupted, too worm-eaten, to issue justice at this point. It would be nice if national resources were devoted to rooting out the fraud from 2001 on, but if nothing has been done to date except wrist-slap fines, then we cannot expect a thoroughly compromised and corrupted judiciary to suddenly transform itself into a judiciary worthy of democracy.

But we can demand a Truth Commission, where every one of the millions of people who committed fraud and who lied or mis-stated the truth can come forward and state the truth and name names, under oath. Everyone from the notaries who robo-signed foreclosures and home buyers who mis-stated their income and assets to obtain mortgages to the Wall Street apparatchiks who packaged the mortgages knowing they were fraudulent, the executives who looked the other way, to the politicos who accepted contributions from the engines of financial tyranny-- give each and every one the chance to come forward and state the truth of their role in the system of fraud, collusion, avarice, lies and complicity.

Every single employee of Wall Street and the investment/mortgage banks and those Federal and State agencies tasked with their oversight should be called forth and given a chance to free themselves of the guilt of silence and self-serving complicity in a massively, systemically corrupt system. Those who refuse the opportunity will be duly noted and their names entered in a public register of those who must have known some small sliver of the system but who have refused to tell the truth under oath.

The names of those who worked the machine revealed by their peers will also be publicly listed. If they think it unfair to be identified, then let them come forth and state the truth under oath. If they lie or mis-state the truth once again, then let them go to prison for perjury.

If 10,000 citizens lie to protect themselves from the truth, then let us empty the prisons of petty drug users and fill them with white-collar perjurors.

There is no other way to "restore confidence" but to insist that the truth finally matters. This will not be justice, but it will at least release the healing power of truth.


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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:41 | 1983572 gojam
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We are fast approaching the hinge of fate, the probalities are narrowing to this point like a 'V' and soon, regardless of any actions taken, we will inevitably reach the tip of that 'V'. Conversely, just as the probabilities narrow to that finite point in time, beyond it the probabilities widen dramatically and so the 'V' becomes an 'X', with the critical point, on which the future peace and prosperity of the entire world will depend, the centre, or hinge, of that 'X'.

Sovereign defaults and bank collapse will precipitate further Sovereign defaults and further bank collapses. The process of domino defaults is well understood by ZHers and there is no need to go into detailed explanation. The dominos may, or may not, fall quickly and they may not fall in the order that seems obvious at this stage, this process will accelerate as we approach the point of the 'V'.

The actual hinge of fate will be the inevitable unprecedented international conference which will be called to try and find a solution to a situation, which by this stage will seem to be rapidly getting out of hand. It may be that not every country will have defaulted at this stage but those that have not will understand that without a comprehensive agreement they will soon follow.

It's probably a good idea, at this stage, to try and imagine what exactly will be the pressing issues facing the representatives at that international conference. The biggest problem will be the worldwide collapse of confidence in fiat currency. With few countries self sufficient and no country willing to trade essential commodities for paper, some form of trade agreement will be essential. A system based on precious metals only would have a very short shelf life. It would benefit commodity rich countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia in the short run but it would quickly falter then collapse while dangerously increasing international tensions.

A second major issue facing the conference representatives will be the possible retaliation of the biggest loser from a global default scenario, China.

A third issue will be properly addressing the fatal flaws in the economic system. Right now every country is maneuvering for it's place at the conference table, those countries which have not actually defaulted, however precarious they are, will sit nearer the head of the table and will have a bigger voice. To ensure a place at the top table means playing the economic game as it currently is now. However, once position has been ensured every country should be eager to see greater financial regulation and international reform of the economic system. It will not be enough to simply mend the broken system, it must be comprehensively recast.

That conference will be the hinge of fate, the pointed end of the 'V'. Beyond that point the probabilities quickly widen, beyond the 'V' is the 'X'. Failure by the international community to achieve agreement could see probable outcomes widen to include starvation, civil unrest, civil war, war, world war, isolationism, political extremism, and nationalism.

The stakes will never have been so high.

Apologies for the long post.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:04 | 1983664 gangland
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the truth = We make the rules, pal.

The news, war, peace, famine, upheaval, the price per paper clip.

We pick that rabbit out of the hat while everybody sits out there wondering how the hell we did it.

Now you're not naive enough to think we're living in a demockracy, are you buddy?


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:24 | 1983743 trav7777
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a lot of things people believe are actually is the zeitgeist.

The truth won't hurt, but telling it will as many don't want to hear it.

Trying to get people to accept the truth...many would rather die first.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:56 | 1983900 The Deleuzian
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So true Trav...The dishonest, unlawful, corrupt malaise flows downhill til' it eventually it can be seen in all facets of society...You don't need to look very far today...All one needs to do is smell it...It permeates the whole landscape...

I believe we Americans are the most immoral, bought out, bankrupt group in a long time...I for one find the truth troubling at best and worry it may be too late

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:53 | 1984451 Spirit Of Truth
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Of course, folks like Travis who lay claim to the truth are often those who have twisted it upside down, wittingly or not.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:28 | 1985423 trav7777
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I let the data tell me the truth, not the other way around

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 17:57 | 1985036 Pitchman
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Trav and The Deleuzian. 

It is the banality of evil.  The people on a whole do not understand the original intent of our Constitutional Republic (that's right we are not a Democracy).  And they keep looking to those who are dismantling it from within to fix it.  Ignorance will carry you all the way to a heap of destruction with gaping sores covering your body and wondering how you got there.

The President Declares Freedom & Free Markets Dead - What You Need To Know.

Pay close attention to the third video - This Must Become A Dominant MEME


You have a system that's not being run to be productive as an economy or healthy as an economy.  Its being run to centralize control. - Cathrine Austin Fitts

I did a post featuring a fascinating interview on corruption with her.  If you're interested in the depth of the Rabbit Hole and the psychopaths within, see the "Dillon Reed and Company: And the Aristocracy of Stock Profits" link at the bottom of: The Looting of America: Happy Labor Day


All Americans must consider the following

"The bane of humanity is we learn nothing from the horrors of past atrocities; and history repeats itself. Our/Your passive acceptance of one transgression or worse complicit participation, always makes way for another.  This and the belief that injustice, visited on our neighbor, will not one day come knocking at our door is the banality of evil and its final reward is death." - Inflection Point



The Banality of Evil

Us and them

And, after all, we’re only ordinary men.

Me and you

God only knows it’s not what we would choose to do. 

- Pink Floyd, Us and Them

See: "There Are Monsters, And They Walk Among Us." - Jesse's Cafe Americain


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:10 | 1983969 Oh regional Indian
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So true Trav. For instance, trying to get you to see the truth is like that. Pulling teeth and the like. Commonly accepted notions for truth make it absolutely relative is what I've discovered.



Thu, 12/15/2011 - 18:54 | 1985267 4horse
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so true trav  .  .  .  so true trav  .  .  .  so true trav  .  .  .

as nauseating as it is excruciating, a year here on this most sickening of sites belies what specific financial knowledge has already contributed to our very own Truth Commiseration --yes. we sheeple herein have seen fit to form what's yet another committee, where the truth goes to die--  as we further and further continue to use our assumed exclusivity and its do-nothing humor to remove ourselves from incrimination  .  .  .  our own private little nation of fools

Living In Fear. all while and in the meantime afraid of Whom: a very small ethnocracy of jews, whose actions not just speak louder than words but, holophrastikos, do in fact silence an entire occident from saying the one word which is here as everywhere its own very simple explanation of all such hurt and harm: ROTHSCHILDT: The City Of London, whose very active do-doers shit wherever they want and all over us


while in the meantime here still yet again left reading such swallowed shit as this:Enough of anonymous corporate or governmental lables...we need names...names.
Wed, 12/14/2011 - 03:13 | 1977826 4horse

take a wild fucking guess 

corzine.paulson.bernanke.geithner.dimon.blankfein . . . mere hirelings 

United States . . .  ?  . . . this is the Ukraine: fin de seicle PNAC < 19th . . .
                                                                                     where the same blueprint by the same few jews is being followed right down to its T-- TERROR  --and how soon the removal of yet another 30million people in a Holodor here everyday joked about in our branded black humor as just more mere FEMA material over already missing americans ridiculed like just bounced CHEKA out of their financialfunnies of that funniest DHS __cancelled__ one-by-one being stripped right in front of us, of their humanity, while an xhumanties' man like myself quote the great minds behind this self-same suffering of What Is To Be Done and What Then Must We Do . . .  ?  . . . To Who

a few jews: whose written history is the hidden history of all our own hiding away from their last hundreds-of-years of full-spectral dominance

geithner.dimon.blankfein.Rubin _stein. Safir _s. Gold _men. Silver _steins. Diamond _mines. The Family Jew_els

denying, denying, denying the obvious, as each and every one of these foreign apparats defy us to our face-- yeh. like whatcha gonna do about it


Charge Them. CHARGE THEM. Charge them with their crimes: INDICT each and every individual Roth's Child for what each treasonous trader of american value for International Jewry is doing right here/right now right-before-our eyes every single hour of every single day  .  .  .            .  .  .  and do so, each individual jew, before these few again, despite all their present searching-surveillance-and-dhs, again sacrifice ALL of their innocent own along with whoever else gets in their way of again successfully accomplishing such massmedia massmurder worldwar slaughter as is only their own arsenal from Antisemitisn to Zionism



this now completed full year here has made me as sick of myself as everybody else:  all along and altogether for the want of one word, holophrastikos, that is the imperative of just this one simple single verb: DO



needing use, hapex legomenon, only once




too much.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:29 | 1985435 trav7777
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truth about what, moonbats?  Free magical unicorn energy?  Which?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:30 | 1983764 Cugel
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We do live in a democracy. The American people vote for Wall Street every time they choose to live beyond their means.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:56 | 1983904 GenX Investor
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Backed by the full faith and credit of the government of the united states of Eurpoe???  How's that working out for you all? 

"This isn't Russia is it Danny?" 


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:16 | 1984546 Cugel
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What does Europe have to do with this?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:24 | 1984573 DosZap
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What does Europe have to do with this?

Nothing, except the BILLIONS we gave you clandestinely out of the QE funds

(PS: Mericuns, did not know)

I take exception to bailing out European Banks with American tax dollars..................did anyone ask you(if your an Merican?)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:31 | 1984614 Cugel
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Why do you imagine I am European?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:42 | 1983807 Oh regional Indian
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Well said gojam.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:15 | 1984010 twotraps
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gojam, well done. totally agree.  Any scenarios you see unfolding?  Bank holiday?  

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:33 | 1984535 gojam
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Hi twotraps,

The obstinacy of the central banks across the world never ceases to amaze me. Summits with no solutions, continued printing, prevarication after prevarication.

It somewhat defies prediction because politics, unlike, ecomonics is not a science. This is a political currency war and I'd be happy to predict only further absurdity.

One point though, as you've mentioned bank holidays. There are a large number of regular legally enforcable bank holidays in the Eurozone over next two weeks, at a time when, without any urging, households will be amply provisioned. I can't think of a better time to restock banks and cash machines, and reprice stock in shops.

But that is just me being pragmatic and sensible.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:50 | 1984700 twotraps
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appreciate the reply.  Not to drone on about the completely un-knowable but in looking for scenarios, I keep coming back to a major re-pricing of everything.  If there truly is breakdown at the consumer level and they are mostly pay-check to pay-check, they will sell things or delay a purchase.  Banking level, assume that no helo drop of cash, they will be forced to slowly liquidate and manage their stock prices down as everything goes lower.   Not trying to win a debate about inflation/deflation/PM.  Look at 2008, there was free-fall in everything, in theory, gold is good but they were raising money so gold and bonds were off as well.  Lets say there is no jetwash down this time...the interim pain for many is high but in the end, the thing the Central Bank fears the most, deflation, might save their ass because they need to do the least amount of work to ultimately keep the game going.  From the Feds view, they can claim that the mkt is working and pricing things in bla bla bla...No major changes are required to the system overall, which is pathetic since changes are needed, but they could resume again rehypothecating or whatever it is they do.


Funny we are waiting for a group of politicians to finish doing something, sometime to shape an economically beneficial outcome for themselves, maintaining some minimal rule of law without completely abusing the concept of the market.  I thought thats why we have mkts, to price things? 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 17:12 | 1984824 gojam
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I can't find anything to disagree with you on. I'm from the UK so I may have a slightly different, but not better, perspective. I agree with what you say about the Fed and about the vested interests of politicians.

I think the stakes are far higher than 2008. There is national pride at stake (I'm thinking of Europe especially, hence the UK/French spat today)

As I said, it's about sovereign default (national pride) and influence at the conference table at Bretton Woods 2.

I mentioned three issues facing a conference above and I think the first two will easily be ageed but the final one, which means accepting the corruption of the present system over the last 20 years atleast and writing off debt and as you say repricing ? Well , I can't fault your logic I think your right. It's seems against the nature of the animals in play.

And that is disturbing because many societies will not be willing to accept the status of debt slaves serving the banks ad infinitum and there will be violence, an opportunity will have been missed.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:26 | 1985420 twotraps
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Well said.  Was living in the UK years ago during the LTCM deal, seems tame by todays standards.  The next few weeks should be interesting.   Being in the mkts for 25 yrs...and respecting the speed with which things can unfold these days, it is absolutely shocking the Fed and others have managed to slow things down and allow years of relative calm in order to work things out.  +/- 500 in the Dow is nothing......back to back to back limit down days, thats the kind of re-pricing that the mkt should be capable of.  No tears.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:29 | 1985429 Vagabond
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How does WW3 play into this scenario you are imagining?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:17 | 1984021 SDRII
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the most seamless solution is to revalue an asset (you choose it). Of course, that is inconvenient and thus will be fought (notwithstanding Art Cashen) to preserve and ex anti systemic result. Ergo conflict meter rising

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:37 | 1984384 earleflorida
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need not apologize to me,... that is - for i thought it to be fantastically written gojam


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:43 | 1985483 Republi-Ken
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:40 | 1983573 loveyajimbo
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Right on, tyler... vote PAUL

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:41 | 1983578 Freeman-S-Stratos
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Ron Paul Bitchezzzzzzzz

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:47 | 1983809 whstlblwr
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Status quo who are capable of this massive fraud, trying to hold to their power with bloody fingernails will do everthing to try to stop Ron Paul election. We should expect this and prepare for it.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:28 | 1983582 The Big Ching-aso
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We're turning into a Madoff nation with checks but no balances.   

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:45 | 1983593 gangland
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truth is mitch & murray paid good money for those leads...maybe you should go home and play with your kids

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:47 | 1983599 Peter K
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Can't believe we are still going on about that nice Mr. Madoff and that equally nice Mr. Corzine. How sad. It was obviously flawed laws or a lack supervion or even lack of mandatory participation in ethics classes that is the real culprit. ;)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:55 | 1983634 dwdollar
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Everyone is corruptible if given enough power. It doesn't matter how many ethic classes they take, or how many supervisors they have. Who supervises the supervisors anyway? The problem is we have too much power in too few hands. The power needs to be decentralized.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:26 | 1983750 pods
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And that is the crux of it.  It is not WHAT they are doing, but merely the fact that they have the capability that is the problem.

Politics would not be such a large part of our lives if legal plunder was not the order of the day.

It is not if they do it, but if they CAN do it that is the problem.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:26 | 1984081 Peter K
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:25 | 1984078 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Who supervises the supervisors anyway?

Wait -- I thought that was what all the @#$%^&* cameras were for?  </sarc>

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:51 | 1983618 vegas
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Well said Chuck. However, Amerika is the land of the debt and home of the dumbed-down. Until the people that care more about Casey Anthony wake the fuck up and smell the coffee, nothing is going to change.

The fact that almost half of Amerika doesn't pay any taxes shows there is no skin in the game. The fact that 47 million people are on food stamps shows just how much they are hooked on government hopium. Would love to see it change, but I'm not holding my breath. The country is fucked IMHO.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:25 | 1983744 oleander garch
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Actually, almost half of America doesn't pay any taxes is NOT a fact; it is a talking point.

Almost half of Americans pay no federal income tax today but, guess what, almost ninety five percent did not pay any income tax when the income tax was imposed.

All Americans pay sales tax,  All Americans with homes pay property tax.  All Americans with jobs pay Social Security and Medicare taxes.  They pay tolls on highways and bridges.  And so on.

Every American pays some form of taxes (unless you are a multinational in which case the taxpayers pay you either directly through the provisions you had lobbyists write for you ine the Tax Coe or through TBTF welfare payments from the Treasury or the Fed).  As a matter of fact, the only guys with no skin in the game are the guys at the top of the income pyramid.  The country is fucked IMHO.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:27 | 1983753 pods
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Do not leave out the inflation tax, the single most powerful means of revenue that the government has.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:43 | 1984421 earleflorida
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"Illegal Aliens to Get Social Security & Healthcare in United States"___1/8/07 by jim kouri @ 'News With Views, Exclusive' [foia]

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 17:36 | 1984986 smiler03
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I think you're in a time warp mate.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:10 | 1984530 DosZap
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oleander garch

All Americans with homes pay property tax,

even RENTERS pay school taxes.Whether they have kids or not.

All Americans pay sales tax,(when they use Food stamps too!).

Some just pay a hell of a lot more.

I think it's a bit more that a MERE Talking Point though.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:27 | 1983754 TorchFire
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We now face the demise of the spirit of social contract embodied in the U.S. constitution and the dawning of a day when a people depart from the framework of liberty, choosing to exchange it for the temporary subsistence of centralized planning. An age when the level of understanding among a common group of countrymen has drifted so very low that they will surrender their autonomy for the empty promise of equal bread for all, rather than the truth of equal justice.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:42 | 1983805 twotraps
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Vegas.,..agree, but its much worse than that.  What tax money?  Where does it go?  They use easy words for us to understand yet its a scam.  We think...Hmmm, we pay taxes and they govt used that money to keep the govt working, you know, like a business or something.  Right.  We don't really know how much comes in, where it goes, what the actual books are like, assuming there books.  


From taxes in all forms, to double top secret re-hypothecation..............we need to figure out how we can preserrve the value of the things we have now, like account balance, property etc, and figure out where money can and will flow it TSHTF, trying to factor in mkt movements and wild card govt rule changes.  Thats all we can do, the rest is bullshit because they are making it up as they go.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 21:56 | 1985803 optimator
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No one person needs nor wants trillions of dollars of wealth.  "They" will be leaving us shortly, leaving behind their little people, as they did in the thirties, to take the punishment for them.

The money will end up in 60,000 square foot mansions in gated, guarded, communities on an unspoiled coastline with a warm climate. It's in a little country that will protect them with the ability to target every capitol in the world with a nuclear warhead. Game over.,0,7450485.story
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:52 | 1983624 Everybodys All ...
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Eric Holder is a captured attorney general. Can it be any clearer?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:53 | 1983631 s2man
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I didn't need that, Charles.  I've already been in a funk for a week over this, MFG, Indefininite Detention, et al.

On one hand, I am grateful for any extra time to prepare. But at other times, I wish someone would hit the reset button and get it over with. In this state of mind, I lean toward the later.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:59 | 1983657 Spastica Rex
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:45 | 1984427 DosZap
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I've already been in a funk for a week over this, MFG, Indefinite Detention, et al.

s2, Bro your not alone.Esp w/the ID passage,bottom line we ALL have lost any rights under the Const, and the Republic is DEAD.

Just like RICO,the Pat Act, these will be used, and abused for the most menial of things, whatever they say qualifies is a done deal.

Where is another America?,since no one is really willing to stand for the original?, that's what is depressing the most, there is NO where else to go and just be left the Fk alone.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 12:56 | 1983643 BlackSunshine
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I predict an uptick in participation of arcane religions after all of this is said and done. A reversion to religious elites running the show.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:00 | 1983661 tahoebumsmith
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End The Tyranny   Ron Paul 2012

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.-  Thomas Jefferson

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:28 | 1983756 trav7777
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Jefferson?  Slave owner.  Killed natives.

Their fathers conquered, therefore are evil.  Ergo, everything Jefferson ever said or did is repudiated as irrevocably tainted.

Just like how if I say water is wet, someone inevitably calls me a BIGOT or GRAND WIZARD.  Every time they are backed into a corner, they invoke cloture with the DATS RAYCISS tag.

Try bringing Jefferson up one day (the original liberal) to a libtard.  Dead white male, slave owner, bigot is what you will hear in response.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:36 | 1983783 lunaticfringe
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I am guessing you are being facetious here. Because if you ain't I'm fixin up a big can of whoop ass

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:34 | 1985450 trav7777
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Don't you get it?  Aren't you listening???  JEFFERSON OWNED SLAVES.  Therefore, nothing he ever did in any other regard has any merit.

He's just a dead white man.  that is what they teach in college these days.  A lot of people believe it.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:49 | 1984437 The Old Man
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Yo trav,


Who wrote this?


Where is the true front in the battle before us all, as we continue in our countenance of imagination, trusting in the dream of our forefathers which makes you an I masters of future destiny for the American position of freedom. Now, far from our minds, is the subjected tyranny that develops as we attempt to secure our providence with falsehoods and denial to the coming fall of individual independence. Yet we alone as a people have made so certain the aspirations of those who would deny us freedom and liberty to extents which we could never expect. In no other time has a people been so engaged as to the sovereignty of rights upon which they may act before the legal and lawful articles written and approved by 13 unique states so many years before, begun, for us, an inspiration for a popular reclamation of what the trials of human existence and results may be. We stand alone against and for a concept so involved with the human condition and the lives of our generations that we must never allow inference that we should be protected, or observed, or deferred from the laws that writ us the right of it's individual sovereignty against those who wish to alienate our rights from it. We, you and I, are in fact the Constitution of The United States of America. We will never be less. We yet may be more.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:33 | 1983770 pods
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My favorite more recent history quote on the formation of the FED:

"This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on Earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized, the people may not know it immediately but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed.... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill."

Charles August Lindberg


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:37 | 1983786 trav7777
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he probably said something at some point which was not complimentary toward blacks and therefore his opinion on everything is invalid.

Just another Dead White Male.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:43 | 1983810 pods
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Nah, his going reputation is of an Anti-Semite, IIRC.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:35 | 1985455 trav7777
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then his entire life is invalid because that is the ultimate sin.

The single most pressing problem that has EVER faced mankind is racism.  Nothing is bigger than that.  It permeates everything.  Only once diversity is maximized will we find a happy future.  Everything is better with diversity.  The more diversity the better.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 22:25 | 1985861 optimator
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And they can start by diversifing the Federal Reserve!

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:41 | 1984415 The Old Man
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Double Ditto. The Federal Reserve.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:39 | 1984405 The Old Man
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:00 | 1983663 dwdollar
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" tyranny."

That should be underlined, magnified, and in bleeding red font.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:02 | 1983666 G_T_A_44
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Most people hear only what they want to hear, while very few act on what they see.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:06 | 1983684 aerial view
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b)secession of states

c)violence against banks, etc

d)education of masses

e)all of the above

f) none of the above - (we're f'kd)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:13 | 1983702 tahoebumsmith
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Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution

The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution are reserved, respectively, to the states or the people.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:19 | 1983721 SoNH80
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The Constitution has been in the ICU since 1937, and they're about to pull the plug. Good luck.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:53 | 1984456 DosZap
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Music to my ears and eyes, but in truth, DOA after the War of Northern Agression.

Your rights just went out the door 2 days ago.

Wait until you see the new lists of what consitutes a Terrorist.

Tag biatch, yer it.

The ONLY hope for this to be Murdered on the spot is RON PAUL, but alas, he will get enough votes to make Oblamea the two term thug he should never have been.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:15 | 1984305 Stevious
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Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:06 | 1983686 Antifederalist
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"How many people have been indicted, convicted and served time for financial crimes during the current era of financial fraud and malfeasance, the most pervasive in U.S. history?

Answer: essentially none; the number is signal noise."

Well they did bag Raj.   But he had the wrong skin color and was not part of the club.  See, we are all over this insider trading thing. 

Anyone know where the Stephen Friedman, i made $3mm on goldman stock when I knew about the AIG bailout, stands???   Probably will be case closed as it is swept under the rug.  Now he belongs to the right club.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:08 | 1983689 SoNH80
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"But we can demand a Truth Commission"

We-- the common citizens of the U.S.-- are in NO position to make demands at this juncture.  No position at all.  Some wave pieces of paper against the onslaught, others the Bible, others cans of baked beans, a few wave pistols, etc.  All are equally futile (at least the Bible can provide spiritual solace).  I see a shallow, sandy trench with my name on it in my future, not "Truth Commissions" or "reforms" or "$10,000 Gold Bitchez."  To paraphrase Hunter S. Thompson, the big boys are slow to react, but they have remarkable staying power, and the willingness to do whatever is needed to stay on top.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:34 | 1983772 Ralph Spoilsport
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There's got to be a better name than "Truth Comission". Ministry of Truth? Just kidding.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:39 | 1983788 trav7777
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People want to believe in silly fairy tales; they want to feel better.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:16 | 1983713 eddiebe
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TV and food stamps for the 99.9999%, and no truth commission needed.
Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:26 | 1983749 Spastica Rex
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I just don't get this 99% stuff. In my community, those in the top 25% are doing better every year.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:26 | 1983751 kito
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my own pro-printing devils advocate here:  i have to say, if i were to assume that bernanke and cbs were completely in control of the world economy, and that they are masterful and efficient in their puppetry, and that they are in the process of preparing to print, these last few months sure would corroborate the theory:

1-non precious metals commodities have been absolutely slaughtered. agri prices, base metals, and almost everything except oil have plunged from highs. this gives bernanke room to print

2-economic numbers suddenly have "improved", allowing bernanke to make the case to the masses that qe1 and 2 really did help

3-bernanke has held off printing for 6-8 months so far, showing the world that he is disciplined and not just a printer

4-the dollar has rocketed, allowing room to depreciate should he print soon

5- gold and silver have been tamped down, reducing the threat to dominance over the dollar

6-the dow has been sturdy despite all of the european shocks. printing would really send the dow to the moon, creating joy to the masses of iraers, 401kers, pensioners, etc.

7-housing still in the dumps, bernanke can use housing as the number one reason to print, and certainly who doesnt want the dream of higher housing prices?

now if he can only get oil down to the 60s all would be perfect for him.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:53 | 1984188 tahoebumsmith
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Kinda reminds me of my neighbor...A few years back his buisness was failing, he had endless debt, his home was being forclosed upon, his Benz was being hooked by the repo man, and even Fu-Fu his dog was being taken back by the groomers because of lack of payment. The poor guy had to leave in the dark and come home in the dark. And then one day thanks to his corrupt ability to lie and persuade he hoodwinked a couple of investors into pumping some liquidy into his failing business by cooking his books and hiding his true insolvency.

Things changed, He was strutting around the neighborhood again, he made some back payments on his house to keep the bank at bay, he got his Benz back and even added some shiny bling to the look, and Fu-Fu was once again chasing my cat around just like the good ole days. Somhow he managed to pay his investors for a while with their own money and go on living his American Dream.

Well now a few years have passed and the house is empty again. I've seen the Sheriff watching the property to see if he shows up. His wife has left him for another female and the Benz was hooked in the middle of night many months ago. My cat misses his daily exercise being chased by fu-fu and his investors lost everything. Amazing what more debt can do to a guy that never had the means to pay it back in the first place...

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:18 | 1984556 DosZap
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the dollar has rocketed, allowing room to depreciate should he print soon

( nothing he did caused that, the EU meltdown is the culprit)

housing still in the dumps, bernanke can use housing as the number one reason to print, and certainly who doesnt want the dream of higher housing prices?

Wonder if the 20% under reporting over the past 5yrs (had the truth been allowed) affected that market?.

Bennie n the Jets,might have stained their drawers a tad more.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:35 | 1983775 HappyMan
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Truth hurts and heals. Gold cures.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:35 | 1983778 Burgess Shale
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Let's start a Truth Commission right now.  Do any of you ZH posters have anything you want to reveal?  Any secrets you want to get out in the open?  Did anyone here materially participate in fraud in the banking, finance or mortgage industries in the last 10 years? I personally have nothing to say to the Truth Commission--I never worked in banking or finance and I didn't lie on my mortgage application.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:31 | 1984106 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Any secrets you want to get out in the open?

In third grade, there was this girl, Elaine, who used to eat paste.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:54 | 1984191 flattrader
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CHS said we're all to blame.

You are to blame for going about your business while the predator class theived and lied.

Now, we all suffer.  Victims are to blame.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:36 | 1983782 DavidC
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I really don't want Ron Paul to be the next US President. Why?

Because he will inherit the maelstrom and be a one term President even if he does everything that is needed to set the foundations for a better future. He will be blamed for it (wrongly).

In the same way I wanted Gordon Brown to be the current UK Prime Minister (he made the mess now let's see him get us out of it), instead of which we now have the Conservatives telling us we're in age of austerity (except they keep spending), I want the next US President to be even worse than Barack-where's-my-birth-certifcate-Obama so that EVERYONE can see just how bad these people are. Then let Ron Paul in.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:39 | 1983789 Heyoka Bianco
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Whatever. How the fuck are we supposed to get some lame-ass "Truth Commission" out of a power structure that has just suspended habeas corpus for American citizens? This is the same kind of bullshit the OWS retards spout (more taxes to give more money to jackasses who have already given away trillions to their bunkies? Pure genius).

The time to do something about this is long past (sorry, Boomers, but you gotta take a lot of heat on this debacle). When every yahoo on the street can see what's happening, the plot is already ripe. WHatever leverage that may have been available was at the height of the boom, but of course, nobody listened then, because they were too busy refi-ing the house to buy a ski boat. Pigs will get what pigs deserve.


Lambs go to the slaughter, a man learns to walk away.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:44 | 1983819 lunaticfringe
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Love this piece. Whenever you get in some back and forth with a moron, remember this. You are entitled to your own opinion- you are not entitled to your own set of facts.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:45 | 1983826 PlinyTheElder
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In a way, I pine for the days of the Lehman failure... where everyone was "shocked" by the market reaction to their bankruptcy - exposing a small portion of the shadow banking (ponzi) system to the light and fomenting a loss of confidence. "I am a liar, so my counterparty must be a liar too!!"

Now far to many people are anticipating some predictable event. My heart sinks by this development, as this gives the conartists the ability to claim they are calling in the calvary, when in reality they just meet up to syncronize their cover stories (Europe) whenever the charts point to doom. Confidence in the con is restored for the moment, and tomorrow will be a "new day".

Can we just hit bottom and check the Fed into Betty Ford already??




Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:18 | 1983846 William Wallace
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The U.S. is not just a financial tyranny.  It is composed of powerful interests that compete against each other and against the nation as a whole for resources.

Today's scorecard:

Wall Street still number 1. They pay the most bribes to Congress and they continue to get whatever they want, including immunity from the law.

Military complex in a downtrend. They are getting bitten into by more powerful groups. Still very powerful though.  They are the TPTB's muscle.

Unionized government workers.  Still doing okay. They are protecting themselves.

Physicians, AMA.  In a definite downtrend. 

People who are not protected by powerful interest groups:  The special interests are feasting at the table.  You are on the menu.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:50 | 1983862 ebworthen
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Thank you.

I believe that hundreds of millions will vote with their money, and they will vote NO TRUST.

If not, they only have themselves to blame.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:58 | 1983912 Shizzmoney
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Doesn't help that some people are complicit in this shit.  Es[ecially the conservative MSM.  The Boston Herald had a story on a few stores in Lynn (shithole) that were using EBT money to sell crack to customers.

Now, it's great to root out welfare fraud....welfare needs to be there for the people who desperately need it.  BUT by putting this on the front page, the Herald is suggested that society is corrupted due to handouts. 

OK, some agree.  But where the fuck is Jaime Dimon on the cover of the magazines with "Fraud" next to his name?  Where's the info we get here on ZH about the MF Global rolling?  Where's the info, besides alternative internet sources, on the Fed bascially handing OUR tax dollars to big international banks?

At some point, someone is going to die over this.  It can't be sustainable to continue to rape people w/o public justice.  As lefty said, "I only did, what I had to do."

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 13:58 | 1983914 JR
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As political pundits have predicted, the opposition to the candidacy of Newt Gingrich is coming from everywhere. This morning’s example, taken from the “conservative” publication National Review, is related in Jon Ward’s HuffPo column: “Newt Gingrich Gets a Last Go Around in Final Pre-Caucus Debate”---- Writes Ward:

The website for National Review, one of the foremost conservative magazines, put a picture of Gingrich on its front page -- under the headline, "Against Gingrich."

"His character flaws -- his impulsiveness, his grandiosity, his weakness for half-baked (and not especially conservative) ideas -- made him a poor Speaker of the House," the National Review editors wrote, taking an official position against Gingrich without actually endorsing Romney or anyone else.

"Again and again he combined incendiary rhetoric with irresolute action, bringing Republicans all the political costs of a hardline position without actually taking one. Again and again he put his own interests above those of the causes he championed in public," National Review wrote.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:05 | 1983930 g speed
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let me get this straight--- you want to just shove relativism aside and deal with absolutes?  Heresy!--- We have generations of higher education based on social relativity that you want to simply ignore in favor of some silly absolute like "truth"  I thought this was decided when Margret's "Coming of Age In Samoa" replaced religions of liberal educators. How are we going to have a living Consitution or excuses for social deseases or midigating circumstances or affirmative action or any of the bedrock social initiatives that our whole status que is based upon-- Shame on you for even bringing it up-- soon people will want Vigilante Justice.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:05 | 1983950 Expat
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Osama bin Laden knocked down a few old buildings and cost the nation a few billion bucks.  Wall Street has stolen trillions, killed tens of thousands, and destroyed the lives of billions.  Who did we hunt down and assassinate without due process?  Who did we hand billions to and ask to help write the laws?  Who was Public Enemy Number One?  Who is Public Welfare Recipient Number One?

I have no sympathy for anyone working on Wall Street writ large.  There are too few honest people to make it worthwhile sorting them out.  In any case, honest or not, they know about the dirt and say nothing.  Every single employee of a shop like Goldman Sachs knows exactly what is going on, from the janitors to the CEO.

Death for Osama and trillions for Wall Street.  Frankly, it should have been the other way around and we would have avoided 9-11.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:06 | 1983951 Expat
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How do I cancel a double post?  Other than deleting the text and writing this?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:13 | 1984004 Ralph Spoilsport
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Don't know. Another question is why the double posts occur so often.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:34 | 1984121 Georgesblog
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Today, people see stories about people squirreling away currency in mattresses as an historical oddity. Those old folks knew something that we don't. Their money was safer with them sleeping on it, than it was in a bank. After the experiences of bank holidays and frustration with trying to get their money out, mistrust of banks was well founded. Look at Greece. Do you think people enjoy waiting in long lines, to get their money out of a bank?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 14:58 | 1984206 toadold
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What's fun is watching fianacial tyrant A getting gored by financial  tyrant B, while financial tyrant C prepares to sodomize the survior. "Bears can make money, Bulls can make money, the Hogs mess it up for everybody."  Pretty soon, bacon. 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:00 | 1984214 tony bonn
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charles has been channeling mike krieger and the results are absolutely delicicous.

there will be no come to jesus for the power elite until he indeed the mean time the asshole plutocrats know that they can get away with their lies because they have been doing so en masse since ww2.

the rockefeller-mic-yale-cia murdered jfk and everyone tiptoes around like he is walking a tightrope across the niagra falls. the overwhelming evidence shows that the cia lead the murder but everyone pretends that we can't know the truth....

barry soetoro is an indonesian citizen who bypassed immigration upon entering the usa....he is not a naturalized citizen and he has lied about his forged birth certificates....but everyone believes otherwise because they want to believe a lie rather than the truth. and thus they are under strong delusion.

and i will spare the details of 9/11 because most people "don't want to hear it"

so the plutocrats will triumph in their lies (for the time being)

fuck all you liars and fucktards who love your goddamned lies...

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 15:03 | 1984223 Stevious
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Same 'ol, same 'ol

2009--true story

Me to broker:  "Eldorado bought out Sino Gold, where are my new shares, they usually show up in a week or so--it has been many, many weeks?"

My broker to me:  We were told that JP Morgan was Trustee, and oddly they transferred the shares on a paper certificate, not electronically.  It appears that the certificate has been lost now for many weeks.

Me to kroker: "Your tellinge me that JP Morgan has lost a certificate of Eldorodo (EGO) shares worth 1.84 billion US?"  Answer: "Yes."

Now Imagine what you can do if you control GLD, and hold 1.84 billion worth of EGO stock.  Tell me what the value of holding these shares per week is simply writing covered straddle options?

SEC to me in writing:

"Thank you for your compaint, we will take it seriously.  However, we do not divulge results of our investigation therefore you will not hear from us further."

Response from my Senator and Congressman to my complaint: (                           ) (no response at all)

When JP Morgan can lose $1.84 billion with no repercussions at all, that about sums it up, I think.

Note: Eventually the shares were delivered.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 23:25 | 1985934 EFNuttin
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When I bought gold coins through my UBS broker, they came to the house no problem.  After they doubled in value and I shipped them back to NY so I could reap my reward, they "lost" the coins for nearly two months.  Fortunately, I did not lose my proofs of shipping and delivery and they eventually "found" the coins.  Two ways to get away with crap like this: 1) Don't worry about the laws because you write them (see Congress on "insider trading" for the latest outrage)  2) Don't worry about the laws because you OWN the people that write them (UBS, JPMorgan, etc.)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:06 | 1984516 Hayabusa
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Charles... the truth is crime pays and pays BIG.  The more it pays the more and more people do it - in particular when there are no consequences for committing crimes for certain segments of the population.  As we get closer to being insolvent, it will get worse and worse... crime will be rampant and blantant - everyone will be out to get what they can while they can.  Of course the government knows this and expects it to happen - why do you think we're growing our military, police departments, hardware, etc., when we're dead broke?  The writing is on the wall Charles... with the Patriot Act and recent Obama legislation the military has jurisdiction over us more and more... if you're paying attention you can extrapolate the outcome and the outcome has nothing to do with the truth and everything to do with autocracy.  Stop smoking that hopium Charles... nobody's coming clean and our elected officials don't want them to because they would be implicated along with them - that will NEVER happen.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 17:42 | 1985030 JR
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What the government intends to do is to fight. That’s not unexpected because they have their entire hold on the Empire at stake.  It is not useful to give up when the enemy decides to fight.

Instead, “Run to the sound of the guns.”

CHS’s mind is trained to add up the facts, to subtract the fiction. It is the men without morality who ask no questions, who keep their eyes on their bank accounts, who subsidize the financial elite in their grab for total power.

Men with conscience will win in the end, men with enough feeling left within their veins to care for human beings and justice.

My recent post on Krieger’s thread addresses this same issue:

…money in the bank doesn’t mean anything if we lose our freedom.  The message I have been trying to get across to leaders of business in all industries is stop making these deals with the devil in order to take one more large bonus or beat EPS for another quarter.  Your choices in pursuit of transitory wealth and status will be paid for by the loss of liberty and the tears of your children and grandchildren. --  Mike Krieger

Yes, the early patriots and signers of the Declaration of Independence wanted the opportunities they had found in a new land permanently guaranteed to themselves and their descendants. The Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war…they pledged their lives to sign it and knew their plight if they failed.

We need men who will stand. The men who will stand and stand for justice will turn the tide. In his “Uncle Abner” series, Melville Davisson Post made it clear: “I saw that law and order and all the structure that civilization had builded up, rested on the sense of justice that certain men carried in their breasts, and those who possessed it not in the crisis of necessity, did not count.”

That’s what Krieger is calling out, if you have a sense of justice, that bonus is nothing compared with what you will lose.

Here is the biography of Thomas Nelson, Jr., (1838-1789), Virginia, one of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence:

“Another of the Southerners possessing great wealth was Thomas Nelson, Jr. To his honor let it be noticed that he gave his entire fortune to his country when its need became urgent, and died penniless. At one time the issuance of a two-million-dollar loan was necessary to repel the enemy from Virginia soil. This full amount Nelson raised over night by mortgaging his estates. The next day his own home was occupied by the personal staff of Cornwallis. It was at Yorktown and the Revolutionary forces were on the offensive. Nelson, who was Governor at the time, visited the firing line. Noticing that the entire neighborhood was being razed by the artillery, he inquired why it was that the fire was not directed at his own dwelling. ‘We are sparing it out of respect to you, Governor,’ replied one of the young Lees. ‘Give me the cannon,’ retorted Nelson. ‘Do this,’ he added, and he fired a ball through the house. Subsequent shots destroyed the place and forced the enemy to flee. And so it was always with Nelson—America first.”

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:49 | 1985500 Jumbotron
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"Noticing that the entire neighborhood was being razed by the artillery, he inquired why it was that the fire was not directed at his own dwelling. ‘We are sparing it out of respect to you, Governor,’ replied one of the young Lees. ‘Give me the cannon,’ retorted Nelson. ‘Do this,’ he added, and he fired a ball through the house. Subsequent shots destroyed the place and forced the enemy to flee. And so it was always with Nelson—America first.”


Nice, romantic story.  Oh...don't get me wrong...I'm sure it was true, for I have read the same account.  I was not there as were you but I take it on faith until proven wrong that something like this happened and something like that was said by Nelson.

However, it is totally irrelevent.

The sad, heartbreaking truth is, the Founding Fathers and Patriots simply fought, sacrificed and died for a dream that could never have come about in the first place.

Call it sin or call it inate human corruption.....but humanity will never be able to govern itself over time.  Freedom has not, is not and shall never be attainable by humankind.

You and/or your loved ones will be ruled by someone for there will always be someone born into this world who will take advantage of any system devised....even one as close to perfection as what the Founding Fathers bequethed to us. 

As a matter of fact.....a political, societal and cultural system based on freedom is especially DOOMED to failure because all humans will eventually abuse to corruption and decay and death the very freedom handed to them.

The American dream has become in due and natural course the nightmare of corruption that was destined it from the all human systems end up.

The only difference amongst them all is how soon.  Our time is now.


Fri, 12/16/2011 - 02:38 | 1986170 JR
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You fool. The effectiveness of human energy, this liberty, did not come from submission to Authority.

As Ruth Wilder Lane said in 1943:

“The free exercise of natural human rights creates this New World. Stop this exercise of human rights, shed individual responsibility and individual freedom, submit to ‘control’ of ordinary human affairs, and this whole new world of economic abundance, this unprecedented wealth of food, shelter, health, knowledge, comforts, luxuries, pleasures, this young world of swift transportation, this dynamic complex of productive human energies encircling the whole planet, can no longer be improved, then no longer be created, then no longer exist.”

That’s what the Signers of the Declaration of Independence sacrificed their lives to give to me and to you, you who treat it so cheaply.  You who would let this new world vanish without a whimper, this new world that your great grandfather could not even imagine, this new world that your children will not inherit if you choose not to fight for it.

Yes, it will cease to exist “if individual Americans forget the fact of individual liberty, and abandon the exercise of individual responsibility that creates this civilization.”

You appear to relish, as you pontificate your navel in comfort, a return to “that darkness and cold and hunger and disease that have never before been so defeated and that now are defeated only on this small part of the earth.” You know not what you do. This America freedom you so cavalierly mock and degrade is what men such as Nelson and so many others gave their lives and fortunes so that you could live free. Let one of those men speak again:

“What has commonly been called rebellion has more often been nothing but a manly and glorious struggle in opposition to the lawless power of rebellious kings and princes.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.  We ask not your counsels or arms.  Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.  May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”  -- SAMUEL ADAMS: 1776

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 17:45 | 1985042 JR
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You know who says we should give up, the enemy, the Tokyo Roses!

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 16:38 | 1984640 Orange Pekoe
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It has always been like this, ever since humans tamed the vegetable. The problem is people do not know how to shop around for currency. Shopping around for currency would put Federal Reserve, and anybody else who charges too much for one half of every transaction, out of business.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:33 | 1984932 Jumbotron
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Charles Hugh Smith said....."There is a system of government in which rule of law is merely a propaganda screen, where financial and political Elites run the show and escape the consequences of their actions: it's called tyranny. The truth is that we live in a financial tyranny."

From Thomas Jefferson in 1816 in a letter to John Taylor.....last paragraph.

"On this view of the import of the term republic, instead of saying, as has been said, "that it may mean anything or nothing," we may say with truth and meaning, that governments are more or less republican as they have more or less of the element of popular election and control in their composition; and believing, as I do, that the mass of the citizens is the safest depository of their own rights, and especially, that the evils flowing from the duperies of the people, are less injurious than those from the egoism of their agents, I am a friend to that composition of government which has in it the most of this ingredient. And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

I find it interesting that although Jefferson did not link the two establishments of governement and banking together explicitly, after having fought Alexander Hamilton over the issue of the First Bank of the United States (the forerunner of the Federal Reserve), I suppose he did not have to link it explicitly to John Taylor (who as Jefferson said shared his thoughts on the matter).  The matter was settled for him....that is to say, once government and banking get together, tyranny is the natural offspring. 

It's rather easy to understand.....who but the Bank of England funded the tryannies of King George and the East India Trading Company against the colonies? 

And once you have the banking industry and the corporations that spring up from that in bed with the government for their mutual benefit and not the benefit of the people then you have fascism....plain and simple.

But who's fault is it that we have this situation?

Nobody but us.

And that's the fatal flaw in ever thinking that people can be self-governed.  It will always devolve first into small groups who selfishly game the system for their own benefit while feeding the illusion to their fellow citizens that they too can eventually be just as selfish and insolated from the masses and the poverty which follows if they just "put their nose to the grindstone" for us ....if they just "work a little harder for us", you too can "start at the ground floor and work your way up for me and the corporation" or....the best, most profitable (for the elite at least) lie of all...."The road to success is to start your own business....just sign on the dotted line for your chains...err....SBA loan...your Second Mortgage....hell.....even your Sudent Loan so you can get an MBA and join the elties one day as a business infinitum, ad nauseum.

And that's the sad....heart breaking secret that no one on this site is willing to admit...particularly you St. Paul cultists.......

There has never not now....and never will be freedom or a system that can safeguard it and perpetuate it in perpetuity.  You will either be controlled by a government, a corporation or a fascist blend of the two.  Even if you make it to the top of a corporation that you started work in long ago, or started a business from scratch yourself or become President of the United States...... will never have freedom from the control of someone else....and more than likely if you obtain such heights as described above, you yourself ground someone down to the ground to get there or have put them in chains of your own making.  Even if your intentions are pure and have strived not to do that you still perpetuate the myth that somehow you have freedom and others can obtain it if we can get back to some mythological halcyon day of old where there was more freedom than today..."a more perfect union".

The closest we ever got was the invention of the middle class which came about from the trinity of the Industrial Revolution which came about from the discovery of cheap oil which backstopped the issuance of cheap debt.

And that's the rub.....the lie fed to the masses can pull yourself out of poverty if you work hard enough to get to the middle class.  And you in the middle class....if you work hard enough and take out enough cheap debt can live the life that only the elite has enjoyed for the past 5,000 years....and who knows.....if you strive even harder and sacrifice your friends and your families and step over enough bodies then you too can join the eltie and never have to worry like your fellow middle class buddies of ever going back to the poverty class.

And we have been in that hamster wheel since WW2.  Until the lie has been exposed. 

Too late. 

With no recourse.

That's the truth.....and it hurts.....and not one of you will accept it.

Let my number be red and high....flame on bitchezzz !

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 22:45 | 1985884 Crumbles
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“In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.”

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 23:34 | 1985952 Gamma735
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Morpheus: The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.
[Neo's eyes suddenly wander towards a woman in a red dress]
Morpheus: Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?
Neo: I was...
Morpheus: [gestures with one hand] Look again.
[the woman in the red dress is now Agent Smith, pointing a gun at Neo's head; Neo ducks]
Morpheus: Freeze it.
[Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]
Neo: This... this isn't the Matrix?
Morpheus: No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us, you are one of them.

Fri, 12/16/2011 - 01:18 | 1986088 Jumbotron
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+1000 Non-Existent Spoons

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