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Guest Post: Two Cracked Political Parties, One Scrambled Nation

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From Ben Tanosborn

Two cracked political parties, one scrambled nation

It’s truly illusory for anyone occupying the White House these days to think s/he is the president, the leader of all Americans.  In political legalese, maybe; in reality, not the slightest chance… for we are the prototypical major society split between haves and have-nots.  And to this day in his presidency, Barack Obama talks and acts clueless as to that irrefutable fact.

Although the socioeconomic divide between haves and have-nots is the norm in most nations of the world, how Americans view that condition is quite different from the rest.  When have-nots in the United States look in the mirror, the vast majority of them still see themselves as haves, that’s how gullible they have become.  Perhaps it has to do with past economic dominance of the US, still lingering in past glory and an unreal sense of nationalism, often promoted by politicians of the two brands as exceptionalism.

America’s powerless super-majority is being foolish to let Obama negotiate the debt ceiling and deficit reduction on their behalf.  Obama may be bright and articulate, even well-intentioned, but he is putty in the hands of the ruling class, whether corporate moguls, generals at the Pentagon, or conservative politicians such as Speaker Boehner.  In fact, things became so frightfully ridiculous in the negotiations, with Obama capitulating to the extreme Right that progressives had to send emissaries to stop such political masochism by clueless Obama.  And that’s when Boehner walked out. 

It might seem strange to people elsewhere in the world how a government that holds the executive branch and half of the legislative branch is so intimidated by a party that represents a minority of people, albeit most of the wealth and power.  It all comes to numbers as to how small that minority is.  And that’s where we go back to that deceiving mirror where have-nots Americans see themselves.  Pseudo-exceptionalism and religious Christian fundamentalism have had a de-evolutionary process in America, turning the Homo sapiens (wise) population into Homo incautus (unwary, gullible).

The only items which appear to have been on the table during these negotiations dealt, for the most part, with social expenditures – not military – with a virtual hands off on revenues in an obscene tax system that is not only unjust but ineffective.  And, as usual, the American have-nots are deceived with slogans that are not just mythical but outright lies, such as “you don’t tax the rich because they are the job creators.”     

For a columnist dealing in sociopolitical and economic commentary, there’s at times gratification found in the modified echo received from the readership in the form of information [with sources cited], suggestions, and even literary contributions; valuable material which occasionally lends support to future columns. 

One such contribution by a doctoral student in Economics at the University of Washington (Seattle) – who has followed my constant criticism of the Tweedledum-Tweedledee politics in the United States – is a poem he composed two weeks ago on the national debt ceiling and deficit reduction negotiations taking place in our nation’s capital; well, not really a poem but his take on the eighteenth century English nursery rhyme whose characters I often cite.  This eight-verse summary is, according to this student, what’s about to happen, and nothing will be resolved that will have a positive impact beyond the August 2 deadline to increase the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling.  And that deadline might only be met by unilateral action from the president, without Congress’ approval; such constitutional authority or lack of it sure to be tested by the courts.

 

Republicans and Democrats

Agreed on a confrontation;

For Republicans, said Democrats

Bankrupted our great nation.

 

Just then reality showed the truth

As ugly and corrupt corporate gabble;

This frightened both parties so

They agreed to create another bubble.

 

 Americans have been so thoroughly brainwashed by the two-party system of Tweedledum-Tweedledee politics that they have lost sight of what might be good for the people as a society: the well-being of the commons.  Compromise, they insist, must always be the answer whether the confrontation is with the power held by war-makers, or by wealth-holders or by empire-dreaming rights-poachers.  But, should there really be compromise between right and wrong; between powerful and powerless?

This attitude for compromise, of finding consensus somewhere in the middle has a major drawback to it.  The conservative lot, those who hold the lion’s share of power in this nation, never put themselves at risk, handpicking what’s to be negotiated, and that’s usually the three basic things that the overwhelming majority of people have been counting on for the lack of other assets: jobs, healthcare and pensions.

Sadly, Barack Obama likes the idea that he is the president of all the people, and that makes him a poor and ineffective leader for the 80 plus percent population of true have-nots, whether they see themselves as such.

By the way, my student friend failed to tell me what the next bubble would be.

 

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Sun, 07/24/2011 - 11:54 | 1487272 redpill
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It's not left versus right, it's you versus the state.

 

The sooner people realize this the better off everyone will be.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:09 | 1487302 Conrad Murray
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Quite right. End the Fed, End the State, Let Freedom Ring.

Slightly OT - Even twitter is an arm of the government. Look how many tweets are going out for this hashtag, and then ask yourself why it is not a trending topic - #FuckYouWashington

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:14 | 1487336 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ a bunch redpill and Conrad.

Let's have some Liberty for a change.

Want to impress the world that we as a people and government can be serious?  ALL you have to do is CUT SPENDING!  Across the board, whatever the percentage needs to be to reach balance.  Even the military.

The Bearing recognizes many would be hurt.  But, they would be hurt by depending on .gov, which means those 50% of us who PAY the income tax.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:11 | 1487322 savagegoose
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oops

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1487323 savagegoose
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not just the state my friend, bit big corp as well, they're the ones pulling the strings, and playing the puppet show.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:14 | 1487338 Sathington Willougby
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Indistinguishable.  They are just franchises of the state, some with more power than others.  In fact, every "federal citizen" is (13th and 14th amendment).  When you realize this and the fact you are property, it all makes sense.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:24 | 1487372 JW n FL
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You dont REALLY Own Property!

You Own Real Estate!!

You are a renter (Property Tax) of the Land that Your Structure sits on (and that you have been suckered into paying taxes on as well).

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:40 | 1487409 Sathington Willougby
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Agreed.

How could property possibly own property? 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:04 | 1487473 Hearst
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And doesn't therein lay the heart of the matter?  Eliminating all other taxes except basic state tax which would primarily go to infrustructure is the sanest way to let an economy recover.  For all the posturing and all their gimmicks - tinkering and striving to central economic plan the economy, the best assistance any large, bureaucratic, bloated government could ever possibly offer to each of their citizens would be to stop taking their money!  This subsequently would force government to reduce in size very quickly.  So, I guess, that means the powerful will never relinquish their size and power willingly.  Which sounds like a very old problem that many peoples have delt with throughout time.  Thankfully, but tragically, the only time tested solution to this recurring drama has been R E V O L U T I O N.  Let us hope ours will be peaceful.   

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:17 | 1487783 TaxSlave
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Once again we are presented with the false paradigm that our only choice is between socialism and fascism.  We are supposed to cheer Our Side, pick up a pie and throw it enthusiastically in the face of the cheerleaders on the Other Side.

It's heartening to see that our common enemy, the collectivist authoritarian statists still haven't awakened to the basic truth that their paradigm has been blown to smithereens.  That means they will continue to flog the dead horse of envy and hatred with their appeals to human abasement, trying to whip up a fervor to destroy anyone who succeeds.

The internet has blown their cover, and people are waking up to the basic threat to their existence:

Freedom vs slavery.  Invididual vs State.  Success vs peonage.

The foundation has been washed out from under their world-view.  The blinding of people by a monopoly over one-way communications channels has been rendered impossible.  The blindfold is off.

Any "compromise" is now viewed as a choice between cutting off a finger or an arm.  A choice of which of your children will die and which will survive.  A choice of whether to drink elephant piss or donkey piss.

We will no longer accept these false choices.

"Your freedom or your life!" will be answered with, "Is it worth you losing yours too?"

It's not my debt.  I'm not going to pay it!  You don't own me.

Yeah, so, to the author of the article: Fuck you very much.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:41 | 1487859 CH1
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Some excellent stuff in your post Taxslave.

Thanks.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:39 | 1488861 Mariposa de Oro
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Well said, Tax Slave.  The author tipped his Obama voting hand when he described The One as intelligent, articulate, and well intentioned.  Please, take away the telepromter and he sputters while he tries to put together a sentence.  Well, intetioned?  Really?  Maybe for his corporate/banker masters but not for the likes of us.  The author seems to be struggling with his man-crush on The One.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:18 | 1487350 cosmictrainwreck
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Exactly. I told my friend (Fin Advisor) back in the TARP-"Stim"-HankyPaulson days: "WTF?! So now we have successfully merged the State with the corporatocracy. Beautiful"

He shined it on as not-quite-as-bad as the Swedish Model. Shit, if only it were even close to as good as the Swedish version....which as I recall had a finite life 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:11 | 1487329 Sathington Willougby
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If by state you mean cabal of thieves, I agree.

Anyone who points a gun at someone to get paid is wrong.  PERIOD.  If someone promises you something from this method of procuring wealth, you are accepting stolen property.  If you demand they do it, you are a thief.

Luckily we don't have to slaughter these hogs, they're doing it to themselves.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:12 | 1487331 MiguelitoRaton
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The Democrats represent the majority on this? Excuse me dumbass, but the vast majority of Americans do NOT want to raise the debt ceiling. Last Nov elections also showed who represents the majority. But you go on believing that the Democrats represent the majority. Both parties are to blame for the situation, but this author is just scapegoating Obama, what a vapid piece of crap.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:03 | 1487736 Mad Cow
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+1

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:25 | 1487810 StormShadow
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+1600. all politicians are the problem because they are just that--politicians!!! They are no longer Representatives. They do not represent us anymore and stand for what's right. They say and do only what keeps them in office. This the core of our entire problem here in the US and abroad

Wake up folks. Fire them ALL!!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:20 | 1487361 Jim Cramer
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Call me crazy but this seems like some liberal column pointing the finger at conservatives as being the problem with this country when the problem is both parties and the people who are in them. I myself am conservative and have never found where my conservative nature has bankrupted my household. The notion that being conservative has put this country where it is currently is truly mind boggling. The lack of acknowledgement that politicians in anyway, conservative or liberal, care about you more than they care about themselves or their country is simply participating in what they have created.

Ridiculous column.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:31 | 1487387 Conrad Murray
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"Jim Cramer" going about making sense and pointing out the Red Invasion? The shit has hit the fan.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:25 | 1487580 trav7777
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of course it does.  The dyed in the wool believers from each party are apoplectic.  The GOPers seem to be willing to defect to TP or whatever.  The Dumbocrats simply pathologically cannot disabuse themselves of their affiliations.  No matter how much shit won't work, it seems some peculiar libtard defect that they just try more of it.  Even warhawks eventually turn against the wars, but who turns against affirmative action or welfare or big nanny state shit?

Progressives, whoever they think themselves to be, are not the answer and neither are conservatives.  We don't need ideology, we need some effing intelligence.

However, the OP makes a point that was made by others (inc me) a couple years ago.  They will liquify the banks then they will liquiDATE you.  It's clear that now that the elites have laden the government with debt that NOW is the time to tighten the belts.  It wasn't that time in 08 was it?  It was let's borrow as far as the eye can see or ELSE.  $700B for banks, how many trillions for GSEs, hell they stopped even putting the bailouts on the books!

The TARP was "repaid" by other debt now sponsored/backstopped by Treasury.  AKA, we're still on the hook for it and now as this crap paper continues to fail, the debts are coming due.  Every single bailout program was a blank check blackhole.

This is how Weimar yielded to a small group of cousins controlling an entire nation.  Banks and companies and elites sit on piles of cash to weather the storm; it's austerity for everyone else and MORE globalism.  Social Security is THE problem, not the wars, not the banks, not the systemic fraud and corruption.  Social spending is.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 19:06 | 1489002 Mariposa de Oro
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I agree with everything you  wrote except:

THE problem, not the wars, not the banks, not the systemic fraud and corruption.  Social spending is.

Not looking for a fight here, but you don't think that decades of corruption at all levels is responsible for situation we now find ourselves in?  Would the social spending be so substantial if not for the corruption involved in growing it?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1487284 Azannoth
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The have (brains)not's will always be there and will always comprise 80% of the population that's how statistics work, give up on trying to make the world a better place it ain't gonna happen

The best you can achieve with that sort of agitation is a new communist revolution, sure from time to time it's necessary and we might be at a time like this but fool your self not people are stupid and always will be

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:51 | 1487441 CH1
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FAIL.

The world may run downhill most of the time, but not always. There WAS a renaissance.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1487289 ArkansasAngie
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Most tea baggers I know are of modest means. I assure you they have more in common with what might be called the average Joe than a Wall Street Banker.

Yet both political parties and the Main Stream Media attack tea baggers as being aligned with the wealthiest and against the poor. What a crock of odoriferous material.

When I talk to tea baggers they aren’t for cutting Social Security. They aren’t for stopping unemployment checks. They aren’t for letting people die for lack of medical care. They are for reform. They are for putting things in financial order.

No … what I hear them say they want to cut is funding for the wars. I hear them talk about stopping the bailouts to Wall Street. In fact ... I hear that most are for taxing incomes over $250,000. See 99% of tea baggers don't make $250,000 a year.

No more wedgies

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:18 | 1487352 MiguelitoRaton
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AA, you're letting the mainstream media (MSM) define the terms for you. The term is "Tea Party". The MSM calls them "Tea Baggers" in reference to a sexual act. The Tea Party is not a singular thing, they believe in different things, but the core is smaller government. This concept threatens government and their lackeys in the MSM, so they all attack it. But soon enough the government's debt Seppuku will result in just that...smaller government.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:09 | 1487496 disabledvet
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Careful what you ask for you just might get it. I agree the two party system may very well be on the verge of bankrupting our entire nation...for what reason is simply beyond me. The act results in our personal bankruptcy as well however. To me the "movement" represents as much as trying to create some form of personal responsibility among those who purport to "rule" AND ourselves as it does simply fixing problems instead of being part of the problem. I happen to believe not only that both can be done but without the first there cannot be the second. And so we will see--

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:09 | 1487755 bxy
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sucker

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:49 | 1488099 LowProfile
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+1 lol

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:19 | 1487356 DoChenRollingBearing
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I went to a local, grass-roots organized tea party in 2008/09.

They were very much "folks". no suits or Wall Streeters far as I could see.  I saw LOTS of signs for no more bailouts, for stopping crazy spending.  They seemed very common sense to me.  I was pleased to be standing with them, waving my sign too...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:52 | 1487443 CH1
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Exactly my experience. They are 98% good people.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:42 | 1487650 snowball777
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How many bailouts did you succeed in preventing?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:32 | 1487828 TaxSlave
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The next one.  And the one after that.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:33 | 1487833 johnnynaps
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None for me. I actually created my own. Figured visa, mastercard and a well known jeweler didnt need my money so i sent them packing empty-handed. And, unemployment followed by horrible future job prospects will insure that this marxist state wont ever be able to transfer the fruits of my labor back to them!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:31 | 1487827 TaxSlave
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HOME MADE signs.

This is how neighborhood vigilante groups form.

No wonder they are scared.

They pretend we are astro-turf to reassure themselves.  They can't handle the idea that this is a revolution, coming from peoples' hearts.  It means the military will not fire on their own people.  It means they have reached the end of their power.  Worst of all, it means that the people have woken up to the paper money issue, so their plans to chain everyone to the debt as serfs after they robbed the value out of the entire economy and crashed the currency will FAIL.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:10 | 1487508 Ricky Bobby
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JUNKED - I miss the junk buttom saves me time of having to wade through the Huffington Trolls

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:32 | 1487611 11b40
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What you are describing is the real, original Tea Party....before they were coopted by the GOP.  What they spawned is just another bunch of right-wing hacks, mostly of the know-nothing variety, who want to cut Social programs to the bone and preserve all the benefits the special interest groups have legistated for themselves.  They may have a new label, but the results are the same.....the average American gets screwed, Tea Party member or not.  Another fine example of what the obscene ples of cash injected into the political system can buy for the status quo.

Choose your party affiliation if you like, but know they don't give a rat's patootie about you....unless you are writing some hefty checks.  And the statictics say you are not.  Less than 1% of the general public makes over $200/yr in political campaign contributions.  So, just remeber the old saying....you get what you pay for.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1487292 nah
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isnt that why theres wars for the have nots

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GIT SOME !

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1487293 Gully Foyle
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The Ragpicker: Countess if only you knew... Shall we tell her?... Nothing Countess, it's you that are hiding. You see, there was a time when old clothes were as good as new. In fact they were better because when people wore clothes they gave something to them. But that was a long time ago, Countess. Just as, there was a time when... when garbage was a pleasure. Oh, it smelled a little strange or seemed confused, that's because there was everything there. The smell of sardine, of iendine, calone, roses. An amature would leap to the wrong conclusion. But to a professional, it was the smell of life... No Countess, the world has changed. The garbage has changed... People are not the same, Countess. People are different. No one is involved with anyone anymore. There's been an invasion, and infatuation. The world isn't beautiful no longer. The world is not happy... Because you've been dreaming a long time, Countess, and, no one wanted to disturb you. Countess, look, there was a time remember you could walk along the streets of Paris and everybody you met were just like yourself. I mean, oh, a little cleaner maybe or dirty perhaps or angry or smiling. But you knew them. I knew them too. And one day, 20 years ago I saw a face in the crowd. Face without a face; the eyes empty, the expression not human. It was not a human face at all. It saw me staring and when it looked back at me with its gelatin eyes, I shuttered. Because I knew to make room for one of them, one of us must have left the earth. The world is full of faceless people, Countess, and once you stop dreaming, as we all had stopped dreaming, you see them quite clearly. They were here today.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1487295 oogs66
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the two party simple makes it so easy to follow...always a good and bad guy for most americans

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:22 | 1487366 rwe2late
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agreed

the only choice for voters is who gets to publicly represent the plutocrats and corporations,

the red team or the blue team.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:54 | 1487449 CH1
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Yes. 50% are always supporting one of them.

After all, you HAVE to hate one and defend the other.

What a scam.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:04 | 1487303 Sudden Debt
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Why not give every American a tax audit? I bet they'll find some extra revenue over there.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:05 | 1487307 Arch Duke Ferdinand
Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:09 | 1487320 cossack55
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Half step. Abolish the freakin gubmint. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:37 | 1487631 Rodent Freikorps
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All you have to do is end the seniority system in congress. Give out committee assignments by lottery. That takes away the benefit of congressional districts to keep, forever, sending the same old corrupt pork producers to DC.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:15 | 1487967 StormShadow
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Ahhh...tyranny by majority, that always works out well

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:40 | 1488343 theopco
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when?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:06 | 1487311 treasurefish
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FDR planted the seeds for this theory of government over half a century ago, creating a bipartisan machine that sells "access" to the expanding powers of government as it hunts for new portions of the economy to shake down. The regulatory weeds that sprouted now clog every channel of commerce in the land, not just destroying jobs while discouraging innovation but burdening all of us with higher prices and dead-weight compliance costs. Wily corporations that can afford to play the game treat this as the cost of keeping competitors out of their business.

It is time to accept the fact that the Progressive Movement has failed.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:45 | 1487394 rwe2late
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You are greatly mistaken.

"Progressive" attempts to rein in corporate power (by finance regulation, or labor, consumer, and environmental protection laws) is not what's wrong.

Fascism essentially exists by definition when big corporations combine with government to rule self-servingly (also known as "corporatism"). A militaristic or warfare state is also indicative of fascism inasmuch as the militarism and invasions benefit the global corporations.

Thus we already do have "fascism" in the USA.

That is the immediate problem, and it is not corrected by "freeing" corporations from regulations and control.

Down the road, we are looking at totalitarianism.

Totalitarianism is marked by a severe domestic police state. Totalitarianism we do not yet have "full on", but are steadily getting closer to.

Society is conditioned to totalitarianism by the government lies, secrecy, and fear mongering of constant war and backroom government/corporate collusion. Ultranationalists, violence junkies, and racists are also by-products of endless warmaking which tends to totalitarianism.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:33 | 1487615 trav7777
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the Progressive movement gave us diversity mandates.  On that basis ALONE, it is an epic fail.

You wanna fly in planes designed by diverse engineering design groups or by ones whose members are there on account of competence?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:43 | 1487654 snowball777
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Both.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:52 | 1488110 LowProfile
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While you're at it, be sure to pick up a magic unicorn that craps Skittles.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:42 | 1487652 11b40
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+10, rwe2late.  Thanks for that clear, consise recap of the situation.  Too bad everyone is so caught up with the wrong labels.  Left, right, conservative, liberal, socialist, tea-bagger, blah, blah, blah.  all the while, it's Fasciam we have, and Totalitarianism that's just over the horizon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:00 | 1487722 RockyRacoon
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That horizon is closer than you think!

http://www.ukprogressive.co.uk/new-japan-law-cleanses-bad-nuclear-news/article13589.html   Since March 11, 2011 it has been reported that YouTube videos containing footage or comments unfavorable to Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) or the Japanese government have been removed within several hours of their posting. Examples of offending YouTube videos include excerpts of TV shows with controversial comments like footage showing smoke emitted from the nuclear reactors, and an ex-TEPCO employee speaking on his Fukushima experiences. Likewise, Twitter accounts with too much content regarding nuclear power and radiation issues have been disrupted. On June 17, 2011 the Japanese Parliament passed “The Computer Network Monitoring Law” . Prof. Ibusuki of Seijo Univ. Law Dept. comments that “The Computer Network Monitoring Law will enable the police to monitor anyone’s internet activity without restriction.” Although this appears, on the surface, to be beneficial when targeting cyber-attacks, some Japanese commentators are suggesting that the law is un-Constitutional.
Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:04 | 1487740 bxy
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so crooked regulators policing crooked executives is the answer?  That should work swimmingly.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:42 | 1488349 rwe2late
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I'm glad we can agree that corporate capture of government (corporatism) is not desirable

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:34 | 1487837 Uncle Remus
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Fuck you and the progressive mule you rode in on.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:07 | 1487314 ElvisDog
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It's ironic that the writer uses the University of Washington as his example. The Seattle area is completely dominated by Democrats to the extent that I don't think there is a Republican holding any state, local, or national office in Seattle. So, no, the evil Republicans do not control the government in Seattle, and yet Seattle doesn't seem to be a worker's paradise on Earth. It seems to be pretty much like anywhere else in the U.S. of A. with pretty much the same disparity between rich and poor. Why is that?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:10 | 1487757 nscholten
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Washington is a strong union state so a 2 income family can easily exceed $100,000.  Certainly not the disparity you see in  Phoenix.  Bentley's on the eastside and shanty's on the west.  But even the shanty areas are reslonably clean.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:09 | 1487319 toady
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Agreed on the teabaggers arkansasangie...

BUT they are being manipulated by outside forces to say the items you listed. Until they have a leader that clearly states what you did they will be used as/labled obstructionists.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:33 | 1487393 CrockettAlmanac.com
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The Tea Party is not "an organization" as such despite the efforts of some people to co-opt the idea and infiltrate it from the top down. And it is just those people whom the media picks up on because it finds it impossible to report on the story without presenting it in a collectivist context. Neither the government nor the media has the ability to think in terms of individual actors (except as scapegoats). Each of us is invisible to them: they will never see "you" or "me," they can only see "us" as members of one special interest group or another.

The Tea Party only exists as a vehicle for individuals to voluntarily and temporarily associate in joint objection to government action. Any Tea Party faction that espouses specific candidates or proactive policies can only degrade and deteriorate as no individual politician or socialist cause (either welfare or warfare) can sustain the real passion of the Tea Party which is incumbent on standing up and shouting "No!"

No to taxation -- no to tyranny -- no to slavery.

 

http://crockettalmanac.com/?p=93

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:45 | 1487421 Cheesy Bastard
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+1

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:39 | 1487632 Hacksaw
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It's hard to run a country just by shouting "NO". Folks eventually get tired of hearing that and want to know what else you have. That was Reagan's greatest draw, he didn't just stand up shouting "NO", he gave folks a vision. Whether you agreed with it or not, was up for question, but the tea baggers are ignorant of the real appeal of Reagan. They are more like king George the first, "read my lips, no new taxes". The whole movement is bogus, I'm not saying there isn't some people in it that are sincere, but it is also the home for fascists, Nazis, racists, and all kinds of perverted views that always show up in times of economic upheaval. The Tea Party actually turns a lot of us Reagan conservatives off. It frightens me much more than the dreaded commies.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:15 | 1487777 Urban Redneck
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So that is why the bull dyke at DHS thinks they are all terrorists, they must have xeroxed the revised post cold war terrorist organization blueprints from Al-Queda, at least it makes it easier for the yellow journalists to follow the narrative...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:57 | 1487460 CH1
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Until they have a leader that clearly states....

NO!

As long as they have no leader, they are a force for good. Once they take a leader, they become yet another corrupt political group.

Hierarchy degrades human minds.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:57 | 1487707 toady
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OK...

So if they choose to remain faceless, could they at least put out some bullit points or a platform regarding thier stance on some issues?

I'd just like to get an idea what this is about beyond shouting 'NO' and 'founding fathers' this, 'founding fathers' that, but all I can find is nut job republicans saying they represent the tea party.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:37 | 1487846 CH1
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I would strongly advise them all to run away from bullet points and platforms. That's the same old crap, built on the same corrupt model.

Instead, I'd recommend that they spread their ideas person to person, the slow, old, solid way.

Screw politics. Hierarchy corrupts.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:17 | 1487974 toady
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Hopefully some day they, or another group, will put something together that seperates corporations from government.

Until then nobody is worth voting for...

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:11 | 1487324 Smiddywesson
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Time to Abolish Congress...Internet Voting...

Oh, THAT would never be abused, right?  They currently can't even ask for your proof of citizenship now, let's make it EASIER to game the voting system.

America took a very big step in the wrong direction in convincing everyone it is a moral obligation to vote.  Most people don't have enough intelligence or information available to them to do so.  Voting without knowing what you are voting for is equivalent to drunk driving.  We should make it harder to vote, not easier. 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:28 | 1487379 SheepDog-One
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I agree there should be rules for voting, 1 big one is no one living off a check from govt should be able to vote.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:47 | 1487424 JohnG
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TaxPAYERS only would be a big step in the right direction.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:51 | 1487685 11b40
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Actually, the single best thing we could do is simply not allow any compaign contributions whatsoever from anyone but registered voters.  There goes corporate money, union money, PAC money, froeign money....and it would gut the Washington lobby industry.  Then, we would get a whole new class of politicians when campaign costs were drastically reduced and selling out to at least one powerful special interest was no longer a prerequisite to launching a campaign.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 20:26 | 1489188 JohnG
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Agreed.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:44 | 1487656 snowball777
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So....poll taxes?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:50 | 1488922 smiler03
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And we should sterilize them as well

/sarc

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:15 | 1487343 Peter Pan
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From every angle the situation in the USA is unsustainable - politically, financially and socially. Everyone carries some of the blame. What should be clear however, is that the lead for improvement must come from the have's who have the resources, the control of government and the control over the press to initiate, fund and oversee the radical changes that are needed. At the present rate, the only change the strugglers will be able to initiate will be through "rebellon". Is that what the elite are willing to risk? Hopefully not, because history is full of painful lessons for them.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 18:58 | 1488970 smiler03
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"the lead for improvement must come from the have's who have the resources 

Why must they be "have's"?

Che Guevara, Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, not suitable?

Fascist.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:17 | 1487347 Clint Liquor
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The author needs to re-read 'Rules for Radicals' by Saul Alinsky. It's not the Haves or the Have-nots that comprise the majority of Americans. It is the Have-a little-want mores. This group reaches from those with a net worth of a couple million to a few thousand. It is their belief that America is structured such that they can increase their net worth by working hard and playing by the rules. When this belief is lost, America will fracture.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:47 | 1487426 JW n FL
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This majority of people that "Just dont get it" well.. they dont want to grasp the truth.. no matter how much truth you put in front of them.. they follow that feeling.. that right will prevail if they just sit there and do nothing! if they work hard enough, they will make it.

I have posted this 100 times.. it is the most hated thought I have ever posted.. the truth of it makes people sick, thusly they act out.. like I am to blame! the truth hurts.

 

       *****You would have to have $100 Million Dollars to understand what Broke really is in America! *****

 

Now watch them come and attack me, like I have made it so!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:26 | 1487808 Hacksaw
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It is amazing sometime. I spent pretty much my working life in the transportation industry. The last 14 years in business for myself. I just sold or should say gave away my last truck and trailer to a neighbor who is an independent logger. I sold the equipment to him for less than I could have junked it for trying to help him out. You know, pass it on type of thing, someone helped me get started many years ago. He has all these big dreams, he thinks if he just works hard enough he can someday be the big man that owns the mill where he sells logs.

You all can call him trailer trash or bubba or what ever you want, but he and his wife work six days a week, from day light to dark, in the woods, fighting bugs, snakes, 100 degree heat, and 90% humidity. I didn't have the heart to explain to him that he had next to no chance to reach his goals. The big man who owns the mill, owns mills all around the country, he pays half of what the logs are really worth, he is charging 12% interest to loan the money to buy the truck and taking it out of what he pays for the logs. All the big man who owns the mill has done is transfer the risks and labor to the guy who bought my truck. The game goes on, this guy thinks he is one of the haves, he thinks that because that is what he was taught to think.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:25 | 1487375 SheepDog-One
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Congress now seeks to create another 'Super Congress' out of thin air where no rules apply whatsoever at all, operating in total secrecy to do however they see fit. Total treason. Yet america sleeps on, hoping for a 'green market open' for tomorrow, just vomitous.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:39 | 1487638 Greenhead
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Think how efficient it will be for the lobby money to concentre its efforts on only 12 people.  I bet there will be a real fight to see who the lucky 12 will be.  Cha-ching baby.

This is disgusting.  The whole idea of Congress is to fight it out and see where consensus really lies.  Another step on the way to even more centralized power.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:27 | 1487378 BernankeHasHemo...
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Americans are white trash morons who deserve exactly what they are getting. They voted for the Obummer. They are too stupid and messed up on meth and liquor to see what their situation is. The American people are like a slut who gets gang-banged - she gets exactly what she deserves. The sooner this empire fades away the better for everyone.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:33 | 1487392 SheepDog-One
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Americans DO deserve whats happening to them, totaly! Still even the 'SMART' ones only hope for a green stock open tomorrow. I agree everyone deserves to be totaly screwed over like this, because they WANTED it! Everyones been voting for years 'You better increase my benefits! You better increase my guarantees!! Illegal alien invasion? What are you a racist? FREE MONEY for them too! MORE MORE MORE!!'

Like the ex KGB top agent said in an interview a couple years ago, americans will get a boot stomping on their skulls and will not wake up till that final moment. Americans, you built a cesspool, now you swim in it.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:23 | 1487570 Totentänzerlied
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What about us youth?

Those of us who neither voted nor abstained from voting but were not old enough to, who were in diapers during Gulf War 1, grade school during Kosovo, middle school on 9/11, and high school when the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars began?

How are we responsible for the cumulative results of American history - 200-odd years - up to this point?

At what age does an American suddenly become responsible and thus deserving of his fate and the fate of his country simply by virtue of his being born American? At what precise chronological point in his life do these properties attach?

Are most of us hopelessly ignorant and utterly contemptible? You bet, look who raised us and the world they brought us into.

Personally, though the above is strictly rhetorical and somewhat facetious, I'd offer that I and my boorish, moronic peers earn our responsibility and thus become deserving of what has come and what's yet to come when first we consciously begin to emulate our parents' self-destructive, reality-averse behavior - the first credit card, the first car loan, the college tuition loan, the voter registration, et al.

Vorwärts! Vorwärts! Schmettern die hellen Fanfaren!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:42 | 1487868 Uncle Remus
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Vorwärts! Vorwärts! Schmettern die hellen Fanfaren!

Horst, you scoundrel you.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIU09o1gsI

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:00 | 1487419 rwe2late
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 You overgeneralize and overmoralize about who "deserves" what.

While some recognized Obama as a slick version of GWB, most were deceived by his promises of "change" - which most of the public wanted.

Most also opposed TARP, and most want the global militarism to end.

I do agree with you that the sooner the empire fades away, the better for everyone

(not to overgeneralize, excepting perhaps the 0.1% and their war criminal associates)

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:35 | 1487401 Husk-Erzulie
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This is confused blue team bullshit.  WTF is happening to ZH?  Tyler do you have some new editorial input coming from somewhere?  AOL wrote another check?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:41 | 1487414 Tyler Durden
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No, and we are still waiting for the first one. And just so we have this straight: because you disagree with the assumptions and conclusions it should be censored and not for public consumption?

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:47 | 1487428 Husk-Erzulie
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I stand by confused blueteam bullshit, you know its true, LOL.  No,, I don't think it should be censored; round filed maybe, but not censored.  Anyway, I just thought I'd say something 'fight-clubby' and see if I couldn't get a rise out of ya.  ;~p

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:14 | 1487474 JW n FL
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The Closer we get to election time (which no one here is in the electoral college) the more the..

TEAM BLUE!!!

&

TEAM RED!!!

will come out to swing the minds of voters!

Both are trash!

Both Sold America to China!

Both undermined the Manufacturing Base and the Tax Base of over 7 MILLION Manufacturing Jobs!!

But the true believers of Team Blue and Team Red!! will march on! spouting Lies to any and all that would hear them speak!

ALL of you that own a Bible and Believe in the Constitution! are Terrorists! Per Home Land Security! Team Red and Team Blue BOTH!!! Voted for an end to America's Rights!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bESN4SdAaXE

to late its already LAW!

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1955

http://www.cdt.org/blogs/harley-geiger/us-intelligence-reports-continue-confuse-political-dissent-terrorism

1) House and Senate Renew PATRIOT Act With No Modifications
2)
National Security Letters Increasingly Used on Americans
3)
Proposed Senate Bill Would Add Civil Liberties Protections
4)
Senators Raise Concerns on DOJ's Interpretation of PATRIOT

and since we are soooooooooooo TEAM BLUE HERE! ALL of this BULLSHIT was signed into LAW By Obama!

Obama picked up where GWB left off and ran with the BALL!!

BOTH PARTIES ARE GUILTY OF STEALING MONEY and RIGHTS from "We the People"!

so get of Tyler's Dick!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:15 | 1487531 Husk-Erzulie
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Actually, the author sounds like a sweating Rachael Maddow junkie having a moment of clarity.  Perhaps he may break his programming?  For that, I suppose, one should be grateful.  I applaud him, and encourage him in his struggle.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:36 | 1487403 vamoose1
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Qe    on the QT.       Buy the Zeuro.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:53 | 1487417 Cdad
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This has to be the weakest post I have ever read on ZH.  Seriously, there is a time for deep consideration rather than just a reiteration of the status quo and clichés.  This is a house built on at least five or six incorrect presumptions....a house built upon a paper mache foundation.

And I'd say more, but the weakness represented in this "article" does not deserve my commentary, nor did it even merit my reading of it.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:59 | 1487464 rwe2late
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 Although your unsupported opinion may be important to you,

for others it is a waste of time to read about.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:10 | 1487499 RockyRacoon
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So, just to clarify, you didn't read it, but it's the weakest post you've ever (not) read on ZH.

Did I get it right?   Do you read your own comments for inconsistencies?

Just askin'.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:33 | 1487618 Cdad
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I did read it.  It was afterwards that I determined it did not merit my time.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:31 | 1488551 theopco
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And yet, here you are wasting your precious time.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:19 | 1487546 Yes_Questions
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The most pressing issue for us as a society is the well-being of the commons.  The article does not properly connect how political theater is distracting the public from this. 

I agree with your sentiment.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:46 | 1487663 snowball777
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We're too busy debating whether the Mexican lesbian should or should not abort her anchor baby.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:05 | 1488434 rwe2late
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 What I found especially galling was the author's intimation that Obama is "well-intentioned" but "clueless" "putty" in the hand of the ruling elite. That argument supposes Obama orders assassinations, torture, expanded wars, and handouts to his financial benefactors all because he is supposedly "well-intentioned", but naive and weak-minded. That is the absurd excuse Obama devotees have been making for some time, and the same excuse the gullible have always made, "if the king only knew".

A conniving, self-serving, conscious, and eager servant of the ruling elite is closer to the truth.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:50 | 1487438 lolmao500
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Yep. You dont compromise with the military industrial complex or the banks. You tell them to eat dirt.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:53 | 1487447 blindman
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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/reinhart-squared-us-too-big-fail-must-read

Reinhart Squared: Is The US Too Big To Fail? (Must Read)

.....

.. "An exorbitant privilege that comes with a cost and a responsibility

These advantages come with a cost and a responsibility. Open access
to markets probably allowed US officials to drift in their response to
the financial crisis. They initially mistook a solvency problem for a
liquidity one. When action was ultimately forthcoming, Treasury
officials failed to articulate a clear sense of principles and
priorities for intervention. This ad hoc improvisation has probably
stretched out and intensified the crisis. In a crisis in an emerging
market economy, the sudden stop of credit to the government forces
painful adjustment to be done quickly.6 These adjustments may have been painful, but a quick response tends to reduce the overall bail-out cost.

As for responsibility, officials must recognise that investors have
granted the US its reserve-currency status for reasons. Size matters,
but other reasons include a respect for the rule of law and for
contract enforcement and the predictability and transparency of the
policy process.

When US officials move to the next stage of the crisis – the search
for legislative protections to prevent a recurrence – it will be
important to preserve these attractive aspects of US markets."

.

this is a test,  this is not a real emergency.  if it was a real

emergency you would be instructed to  ........

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:55 | 1487452 Atomizer
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How can anyone take this guy seriously? 2008 time capsule.

 

"Plan for Change" Ad

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:55 | 1487454 ian807
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The end goal is to find a way to destroy the dollar and the debt that goes with it through hyperinflation. The debt ceiling is just a psychological method to manipulate the bond markets and ratings agencies to achieve this.

The end result is a USA with a wage and price structure close to the Chinese and the BRICs, making the USA price competitive.

China then has to match the dollar fall or let the Yuan float upward, neither of which will benefit its economy, which will then tank on its own bad loans, slowing both its military and economic growth.

The rest is theater. Enjoy the show!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:41 | 1487858 InconvenientCou...
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if, "by enjoy the show", you mean take action to prepare accordingly for the final stages of currency war, then you might have something there.

If you mean buy popcorn and watch as the country goes though an economic paragigm shift and there's nothing that can be done, then I think you should reconsider.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:56 | 1487456 Atlantis Consigliore
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both parties are different sides of same coin/ ponzi game,  = Raiding the Treasury;  comprimise ?  comprimise on what ?  balance the budget with cuts period.   Govt mgt of the economy?

Hows that Chryslter bailout working?  1.3 B lost?

Fanny Freddie fha  gangsters?   7 millions homes 15% in foreclosure?

Comprimise?

its a Bankster govt and Gangster Economy printed by the FED.

Bullworth:  one man one vote cmon is that really real?

 

the name of the game is lets make a deal,

the people got their problems the have the have nots;

but the ones who make me listen pay my 30 second spots.

30 second spots, 30 30 30 seond spots.

term limits and campaing spending reform.

this jerk will raise $ 1 B to run?  from who?  the illegals?

next stop on the Twilight Zone..... Japanation.

 

70% tax rates, and spreading the Trickle up Poverty.

See you all in Rio.

 

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 12:58 | 1487462 Yes_Questions
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It might seem strange to people elsewhere in the world how a government that holds the executive branch and half of the legislative branch is so intimidated by a party that represents a minority of people, albeit most of the wealth and power.

Wealth and Power (the haves) control all government branches (especially the Judicial) and they care not what party brand their minions choose to pimp.  The Commons do not belong to the people either and the well-being of same is out of their reach.  Voting/protesting will not change this.

The chasm between the haves and the have-nots is not a matter of income as much as it is a matter of control.  And the voting public have none of it.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:01 | 1487467 cabtrom
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WTF are you talking about?? Have, have "nots". Who the fuck cares if I "have" anything if I'm told how I can use it, where I can use it, how much I can use it, or how I can spend it?. None of this haves and have nots means jack shit to a man in prison with 100 dollar bills under his matress. Fucking dumb, Just give me investment ideas and stop telling me how I'm so stupid for not HAVING shit. This rebellion is far bigger than not getting fucking health care or retirement or education or whatever the fuck else the "have-nots" don't get. I just want fucking freedom for Christ sake! I want to drive down the road without getting fined for not wearing a seatbelt or let my kid climb a tree without some fucking asshole tellin me to have him put on a harness first. Eh whatever.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:40 | 1487640 Cdad
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Exactly.  Props.

Liberty and Freedom...these are the things NOT being mentioned in DC just now as the muppetry does its song and dance.

For the sake of these principles, I do hope Mr. Boehner holds the line enough so that the downgrades to US debt ratings come.  If he does just this, spending WILL BE RESTRAINED WITHOUT FURTHER ARGUMENT.  Math will then do what politicians have not been willing to do for decades.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:51 | 1487681 snowball777
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Cool. As long as you don't ever ask for a firetruck or EMS to come scoop up what little brains you managed to spill onto the pavement or for help with paying your outrageous ER bill when your kid breaks his arm falling out of the tree.

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:04 | 1487741 Husk-Erzulie
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Rachael? Is that you?  Maobama is on line one...he's got your talking points.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:25 | 1487811 JW n FL
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all of you looking for tax breaks..

 becuase your are greedy, tight fisted, wanna be jews..

are going to be soooooo fucked when the lights go out!

enjoy the zombie's!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:36 | 1487844 delacroix
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ER fees rediculously overpriced, and you don't need an ambulance, a fire truck, and three police cars, for a kid with a broken arm. what next, getting charged with negligence, for driving your own kid to the hospital. oh and the ambulance ain't free.               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWBw_gupXE

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:55 | 1487898 cabtrom
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Yea your right I should live inside a padded room so I never get hurt. You are pathetic snowball. Reality eludes you. You would be on knees begging for help in collapse. Best of luck pussy! I don't know what shit hole of a city you live in but believe it or not if you live on a ranch 126 miles from a city do you really think the size of scoop or fire hose they have is any fucking use? I broke wrist 14 years ago & wrote a check for $1800 for a cast and removed it my self 6 weeks later. You must be part of " life's not fair club" same old shit from collective ideas brain connected mainframe. I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, I'd like to buy the world a coke and blah,blah, blah, blah, blah. Im sorry, your right and im wrong. You win. Wheeee!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:05 | 1487482 cabtrom
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PS this guys a fucking tool!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:05 | 1487484 Atomizer
Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:09 | 1487495 marcusfenix
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super congress...well I guess now the freak show that DC has put on over this debt increase makes sense now. show the sheep how inept our current legislative structure is, add in a measure of doomsday speak, throw in a potential attack from Al Qadea if we don't raise the limit for flavor, shake and there you have it. all they need now if just enough rumblings from the markets and the MSM to put the right impending Armageddon spin on it and our super congress will be a reality. you know, so "things can get done". most won't even blink, we have been conditioned to accept panels, committees, czars and the like and congress can't even brake 20% in the approval rating polls (deservedly so) so this most recent updraft of power from the many to the very few will most likely be welcomed by the masses. my only question is, why was the beta givin to the huffington post?   

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:24 | 1487575 gwar5
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The Marxsits running the democrat party that are deficit spending our country into bankruyptcy got booted in teh last historic election. That was a restraining order. GOP is not there to compromise or raise taxes to pay for the marxist spending, after the fact. The dems could have raised taxes when they had the supermajority and didn't.

Elections have consequences. Dems need to stand down and listen to the rest of the country. Marxists can't compromise, they will burn it down first.

The Marxist jingoism about a disparity between "haves and have nots" is caused by dems snatching poverty out of the jaws of propserity through their own economic totalitarianism the last 5 years that they've held the pursetrings.  Food stamp nation., run by the Food stamp party. 

 

 

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:18 | 1487789 JW n FL
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YES!

When God's Choosen Party the Republicans are back in power!

we will have Tax Cuts for Job Creators!

we will have subsidies for Job Creators!

and the World will be ALL better minus that Wigger!

it is all Obama's fault! the last 40 years that Wigger has crushed this Country!

They have tried Already!! to fix the Problem! see

Republicans to roll out new tax-cut proposal: WSJ
25 May 2011
, by Michael Kitchen - Los Angeles (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/republicans-to-roll-out-new-tax-cut-proposal-wsj-2011-05-25

Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives are set to unveil a new economic proposal Thursday that will cut taxes for multinational corporations and lower other tax rates.

 

Top 10% of America's farms collect 75% of federal farm subsidies http://www.ewg.org/farmsubsidies

 

these things help! "We the People"!! they have done wonders over the last decade!

Ever since George Walker Bush signed the WTO Treaty! we have happily Paid to Shipped 7 Million Manufacturing Jobs to China! You can get much more American than that!

We need More Republicans! and then some more Democrats.. just a few.. and then when everything gets worse, you idiots should be out of excuses to sit on your fat asses and bitch right? then you will get up and fight for your rights, right? when the Republicans continue to feed you to the grinder? Nope? still praying for the end huh? well lets get into Iran and get this party started! God Bless the Republicans!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:28 | 1487587 Atlantis Consigliore
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throw them ALL out.

Capital strike  now in place,   jobs layoff strike  next with 30% unemployment.

 

Bankrupt the Czars and the committess and the Regulators, and the

Lobbyists,

starve it and bankrupt it.

the 2 mio small businesses say NO,  yes, can they say yes? never,

strike on capital and on employment.

Just say NO!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 13:52 | 1487690 bxy
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Portraying Obama as the victim and not a member of the political elite is absurd.  You don't cut your teeth in Chicago politics without being part of the privileged class.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:05 | 1487744 upWising
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George Wallace in 1967 on the two-party system:

"With the Republicans and Democrats it's Tweedle-DEE and Tweedle-DUMB and there's not a dime's worth of difference between the two."

Old George got a lot wrong and ended up crippled in a wheelchair but he sure had it right 45 years ago.

NOW ZHers, it's time for our mantra: "Alcohol, Television, Faith in the System"

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:11 | 1487761 upWising
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Let us not forget THE SEPTIC TANK RULE:

IN political parties as in a septic tank, the "you know what" floats to the top, seemingly swirls around endlessly and ever-so-slowly rots and stinks, yielding perhaps a thimble full of compost if one waits long enough.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:19 | 1487791 Audacity17
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Notice how the author of this tripe continually paints the "haves" as evil and the "have nots" as good.  Then more droning about the "commons" and the "people" and how they are too stupid to understand how stupid they are.  This is Marxist pap and shouldn't be on Zerohedge.  There is no virtue in being poor.  What people want is equal treatment before the law, and that means siding with who is right, not the poor or wealthy for their own sake.  

There was a group of people who stood up for right in 2008.  They were the conservative Republicans who, against their President,  torpedoed the first TARP vote.  Then I watched a bunch of leftists led by Barney Frank go on CNBC and ridicule them and claim they would destroy the country.  For several days, the leftist media lambasted them as reactionaries until they scared enough of them to flip.

This only confirms what Jude Wanniski said.  The media isn't able to propagandize the masses, they are only able to bully the politicans.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:33 | 1487830 samslaught
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why is it so hard to understand that conservatives believe their values help BOTH the "have's and have not's" where as liberal ideas hold people down under the guise of helping.  I don't vote conservative because I think it's best for me, or I am gullible and I think I'm a "have" and so it's best for me.  I vote conservative because I believe it helps everyone in the long run.  It's a simple concept.  Hand outs hurt people, opportunity helps people.  Taxing the productive members of society, reducing their productivity, to give hand outs to the less productive members of society, reduces the overall productivity of society.  This in effect reduces the number of opportunities for those that need them the most

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:33 | 1487831 samslaught
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why is it so hard to understand that conservatives believe their values help BOTH the "have's and have not's" where as liberal ideas hold people down under the guise of helping.  I don't vote conservative because I think it's best for me, or I am gullible and I think I'm a "have" and so it's best for me.  I vote conservative because I believe it helps everyone in the long run.  It's a simple concept.  Hand outs hurt people, opportunity helps people.  Taxing the productive members of society, reducing their productivity, to give hand outs to the less productive members of society, reduces the overall productivity of society.  This in effect reduces the number of opportunities for those that need them the most

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:34 | 1487835 Urban Redneck
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It’s Sunday, why not go Ad Hominem, especially since the article sets such a nice precedent?

 

"When have-nots in the United States look in the mirror, the vast majority of them still see themselves as haves, that’s how gullible they have become."

 

I guess when Ben Tanosborn looks in the mirror- he doesn't measure up to the men he compares himself to in his pathetic little partisan mind.  While social mobility may have decreased in the US over the past several decades, even the lowliest Americans still have significantly more than those who make up the vast majority of the human race.

 

This article is nothing but envious drivel- deadly sin disguised as polished intellectual turd-

 

"Obama may be bright and articulate, even well-intentioned, but he is putty in the hands of the ruling class" Obama is the President of the United States of America, both Head of State and Head of Government- Obama is the ruling class.  Is Ben Tanosborn a racist who thinks Obama is some sort of pathetic nigger, inherently incapable of performing the job he was elected to perform, or incapable of looking his counterparties in the eyes as equals, or is Ben Tanosborn just ashamed of the job Obama has performed?     

 

"so intimidated by a party that represents a minority of people, albeit most of the wealth and power"  The Republican party represents a clear minority of the people, the last national election would seem to indicate otherwise?  And what is the statistical significance of the difference in membership registrations between the two whorehouses?  How does Ben Tanosborn arrive at the conclusion that Republicans hold most of the wealth in the US- is Ben Tanosborn a former employee of the BLS- the statistical bullshit to arrive that particular conclusion reeks of it?  Given the distribution of positions in Government held by Democrats vs Republicans, it is simply wrong to state that Republicans hold most of the power.        

 

"The conservative lot, those who hold the lion’s share of power in this nation, never put themselves at risk, handpicking what’s to be negotiated" At least the previous whore who occupied the White House and hand picked what was to be negotiated in terms of energy policy did not have the lion’s share of power to see that blueprint enacted into law.  Unlike the current whore, who does have the lion’s share of power and saw his healthcare policy enacted into law.  Ben, you should really pull your head out of your ass, perhaps using the internet and searching for the term "Let me be clear."  The President of the United States is an established expert at handpicking what is and isn't to be negotiated.

 

Incidentally, tyranny is the opposite of compromise.  When intellectual midgets put fourth the argument that viewpoints other than their own may be trampled for the broader good readers should keep mind that these little peons (such as Ben Tanosborn) would scream like babies for their mommies if a viewpoint other than their own came to power and decided that for the broader good the life, liberty, and property of Ben Tanosborn, his wife, and his children should be trampled upon.

 

There is a very legitimate debate about that the taxation inequality that exists within the top 1/10th of 1% of the US population.  However, when one goes down a rabbit hole of ignoring minority rights and protections, and promoting envy as a value, it sets the debate on a dangerous path.  IF THE RIGHTS OF MINORITIES ARE TO BE DISCOUNTED - THEN ALL OF THE ECONOMIC ILLS OF THE UNITED STATES CAN RESOLVED BY THE SIMPLE LIQUIDATION, OR ELIMINATION OF ALL STATE SUPPORT, TO THE MINORITY OF INDIVIDUALS WHO COMPRISE THE LARGEST PERCENTAGE OF TRANSFER PAYMENTS FROM THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND WHO ARE NOT AMONG AN OFFSETTING PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE PAYORS TO THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

 

A simple cold mathematical formula- which does not in any way discriminate on any established basis of bigotry and solves the nations fiscal outlay problems in substantially less than 1000 pages.  Ben Tanosborn- you are a wannabe tyrant who doesn’t measure up, and minority rights are worth protecting.  

 

Strangely, calculating and identifying those persons who are of most expense and least benefit to the State in the US would probably have results similar to the lists produced in Germany in the 1930s.  Perhaps if Ben Tanosborn substituted Jew, Queer, or Retard for minority, conservative, republican, power, wealth, et. al he would recognize a relatively recent historical precedent for his line of reason.   

 

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 17:09 | 1488444 samslaught
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+1

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 22:51 | 1489534 Audacity17
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Hear Hear!

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 14:54 | 1487894 Yes_Questions
Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:00 | 1487910 chartcruzer
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A MUST Read that puts this in perspective

http://michael-hudson.com/2011/07/the-euthanasia-of-industry/  

Hudson connects politics and global finance with an aplomb that grabs me to my core.

In the end, and in the context of history, it's just another really big debt bubble.   In our case a debt bubble that is being fearsly protected by both politically parties for a long list of reasons.

I found his analogies to the end of the Roman empire interesting.   I'll have to do more reading on the financial components of this.   I'm not sure the equivalent of the dark ages lay ahead.   I like the fact that the US has huge resources that can sustain it while many other contries don't  (note; energy socioeconomics would need to massively change and, we can do that).

I think it comes down to a few charts.   Note the parabola being formed by the first.   The next few years could have impressive returns.

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3225058&cmd=show[s172502148]&disp=P

also note the performance of gold relative to other assets.

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3225058&cmd=show[s238082247]&disp=P

also note the recent relative performance of silver to other PMs

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3225058&cmd=show[s234896965]&disp=P

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 15:38 | 1488024 sasebo
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What the working people of America need to happen is happening, just in slow motion. Give them plenty of rope.

It's going to take a little time for the stupid, greedy assholes to drown in their own shit.

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:05 | 1488173 blindman
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re next bubble.  information and space.

Kevin Slavin: How algorithms shape our world

http://www.ted.com/talks/kevin_slavin_how_algorithms_shape_our_world.html

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but general participation won't evey be required.

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mining of the minds continues

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:20 | 1488254 AldousHuxley
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Pirates and Emperors (from SchoolHouse Rock makers of How a Bill becomes a law)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEO3RWnHb4E&feature=related

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:22 | 1488263 AldousHuxley
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School House Rocks - Tyrannosaurus Debt (from SchoolHouse Rock makers of How a Bill becomes a law)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mfMG66LtVU&feature=related

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 16:37 | 1488330 AldousHuxley
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School House Rock - No More Kings  (from SchoolHouse Rock makers of How a Bill becomes a law)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0LmYEjXNIg&feature=related

 

Kings = banksters and top 0.01% wealthy

Sun, 07/24/2011 - 19:46 | 1489114 tjfxh
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See Michael Hudson on this. He sees it as a cross between kabuki and the shock doctrine. The elite is using a crisis to enlist the establishment of both parties to jam it to the rest.

 

Save the Gambling Bankers

 

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