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Guest Post: Two Words - Screw That

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From Simon Black of Sovereign Man

Two words: Screw that.

Friedrich von Hayek, a major figure in the Austrian school of economics, wrote in his seminal work the Road to Serfdom,

“By giving the government unlimited powers, the most arbitrary rule can be made legal; and in this way a democracy may set up the most complete despotism imaginable.”

It’s hard to ignore Hayek’s prescient warning when you hear about the US government’s newest (and 17th) spy agency that it wants to roll out… because hey, 16 spy agencies just isn’t enough.

Or the Transportation Security Administration ‘aggressively screening’ a 7-year old girl with Cerebral Palsy at JFK Airport in New York (causing the family to miss their flight)… and then later issuing a statement defending its agents’ actions.

Or Congress authorizing the IRS and State Department to revoke US citizens’ passports on suspicion of tax delinquency; as of last week, the bill has passed both the House and Senate, and is now awaiting a final agreement before going to the President for signature.

Then there was the National Defense Resources Preparedness executive order that President Obama signed last month– an order which gives the federal government autocratic power to seize and redistribute all agricultural resources in the event of a national emergency.

When you step back and look at the big picture, the writing on the wall seems so clear, so obvious. In Western Europe and the United States in particular, bankrupt, insolvent governments will resort to any means necessary in order to maintain the status quo: keeping them in power at our expense.

This means continuing to reduce personal liberty, eliminate economic freedom, vanquish privacy, debase the currency, stifle innovation, eradicate financial opportunity, and destroy the savings and livelihoods of millions of people.

These tactics are not new, this time is not different. Empires on the slide have always resorted to cannibalism– feeding off the productive class in order to keep the party going a little while longer.

In the fourth and fifth centuries (AD), for example, the Western Roman empire resorted to centrally planned labor allocation, price fixing, rapid currency devaluation, capital controls, civil asset forfeiture, and tax rates that were so high that the few citizens who remained welcomed the invading barbarian hordes with open arms.

Most of the smart, productive Romans had already moved on to greener pastures long before. As the situation worsened, more and more people began to leave until there was a mass Exodus of over 90% of western Rome’s population in its final decades.

Similarly, the Ottoman Empire, having reached the zenith of its expansion in the 16th century, established a massive, unsustainable bureaucracy that was far more costly than any other administrative hierarchy in history, including Rome’s.

Soon Ottoman bureacrats began to see the people as existing to provide them with position… rather than their position existing to support the people. Sound familiar?

Huge spending in the Ottoman Empire gave way to a massive public debt (on which they defaulted in 1875), which eventually begat currency debasement, inflation, an absurd tax system, and a substantial reduction in civil liberties.

History shows that freedom is almost always the price that societies pay to maintain the status quo and keep their rulers in power. When the system finally collapses under its own weight, though, things can go from bad to worse as the people cry out for CHANGE.

The French, for example, traded an absolute monarch in Louis XVI for an absolute dictator in Robespierre. Similarly, the Russians traded the empire of ‘Bloody’ Tsar Nicholas II for the Red Terror of Soviet Russia.

As the Russian Marxist revolutionary Leon Trotsky said in 1937, “The old principle of ‘who does not work shall not eat’ has been replaced by a new one– who does not obey shall not eat.”

Two words: Screw that.

Everybody has a choice to make. On one hand, we can either bury our heads in the sand, pretend that everything is OK, and continue being the boiling frog in the pot… just like the poor schmucks who stuck around Rome until the 5th century getting taxed out of their minds and watching their livelihoods inflate away.

On the other, we can recognize that the rise and fall of empires is part of history’s normal cycle… that it’s been happening for millennia, and this time is no different. We can look to the rest of the world and understand that, for all of the turmoil, this is one of the most exciting times to be alive and that the world is full of incredible opportunities.

Just like the Romans who left for Byzantium, the Ottomans who left for Europe, the Europeans who left for North America, there are always regions in the world that are rising while others are falling.

It’s the people who get there first after acknowledging reality and basic historical truth that can reap the greatest reward.


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Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:36 | 2388650 Sudden Debt
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A bit like "for every drugsdealer they bust, anotherone steps up"

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:41 | 2388668 ratso
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Simple Simon's absurd historical analogies are laughable at best.  Do they deserve printed space? No

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:55 | 2388704 hedgeless_horseman
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Two words: Screw that.

I agree.  I am staying in Texas where we have plenty of room for a seventh flag.

Down here we know how to change horses in the middle of a race.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:03 | 2388726 Jonas Parker
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"If at first we don't secede, try, try again!"


(and how about this for the 7th flag?)

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:11 | 2388737 hedgeless_horseman
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Amen...and they don't even count the Stars and Bars.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:10 | 2389190 Lost My Shorts
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Oh puhleeeze ... any talk of Texas seceding is "all hat and no cattle" as they say. 

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 17:25 | 2389423 DosZap
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Oh puhleeeze ... any talk of Texas seceding is "all hat and no cattle" as they say.

Secession aside, it will not even be a necessity if it gets that bad............remember this, there are more than ONE group of Americans that are called sheeple.

 And they damn sure are not ALL the same.

Some Sheeple are just ignorant,and indiffernet as long as they are not being harassed,(too busy living their lives, and getting by,rasing families and working their asses off) when they see it coming for them and theirs, MANY of these Sheeple will grow teeth.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:19 | 2389518 Jreb
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Exactly. +1

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 20:21 | 2389751 ndotken
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And there are plenty of us who just don't give a shit anymore.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:35 | 2389050 The Big Ching-aso
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I hereby give you a TBC high-five endorsement for that pun.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:42 | 2388852 GOSPLAN HERO
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The Bonnie Blue Flag

We are a band of brothers and native to the soil
Fighting for our Liberty, With treasure, blood and toil
And when our rights were threatened, the cry rose near and far
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star!

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights, hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.

2. As long as the Union was faithful to her trust
Like friends and like brethren, kind were we, and just
But now, when Northern treachery attempts our rights to mar
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.


3. First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand
Then came Alabama and took her by the hand
Next, quickly Mississippi, Georgia, and Florida
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.


4. Ye men of valor gather round the banner of the right
Texas and fair Louisiana join us in the fight
Davis, our loved President, and Stephens statesmen rare
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.


5. Now here's to brave Virginia, the old Dominion State,
With the young Confederacy at last has sealed her fate,
And spurred by her example, now other states prepare
To hoist high the bonnie blue flag that bears a single star.


6. Then cheer, boys, cheer, raise a joyous shout
For Arkansas and North Carolina now have both gone out,
And let another rousing cheer for Tennessee be given,
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag has grown to be eleven.


7. Then here's to our Confederacy, strong we are and brave,
Like patriots of old we'll fight, our heritage to save;
And rather than submit to shame, to die we would prefer,
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears a single star.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:20 | 2389631 buzzardsluck
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Sums up my feelings on this issue, but sadly Texas is being filled with more and more sheeple that are bringing their shitty ideas here (not that we don't produce our own homegrown fucking morons, lamar smith, jeff wentworth, perry, etc).  Regardless, I plan on dying here even if it's a Alamo type situation.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:19 | 2388787 AnAnonymous
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Simple Simon's absurd historical analogies are laughable at best.


Indeed. It is what you get when a country that started by proclaiming freedom based on human condition while maintaining slavery.

Multiple personality disorder.

Romans feasting on the productive class in 3 and 4th?
And before? Because living off slave work is not feasting on the productive class.

Funny how US citizen perception of reality is so distorted.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:10 | 2388935 akak
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Funny how US citizen perception of reality is so distorted.

Funny how denialistic, blobbing-up, rabbit-breeding, Tibet-raping, totalitarian, "Do as we say not as we do" hypocritical Chinese Citizenism perception of reality is so bigoted, prejudiced, blinkered, psychotic, malignant, pernicious and distorted.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:18 | 2388966 tmosley
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"All men are to be judged by the actions of their forefathers, and of thier governments.  The individual does not exist."

Talk about distorted realities.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:04 | 2389491 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

It is what you get when a country that started by proclaiming freedom based on human condition while maintaining slavery.

Multiple personality disorder.

That sort of absurdity is a perfect description of the Peoples Republic of Chinese citizenism. Chairman Mow See Dung proclaimed "liberation" of the Chinese people, who then had to endure under the new regime of Chinese citizenism, meaning the forced worship and obedience of Chairman Mow.

Chinese people "liberated" into slavery by Great Chairman Mow Leaping Forward.

But hey, distorted Chinese citizenism perception of reality can glorify anything.

Except self indiction...


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:17 | 2389628 Moe Howard
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Roadside shitting, nose picking in a nutshell.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:38 | 2388660 Dapper Dan
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That's great Simon but look at this,

Dow soars to 4-year high

May 01 12:53pm:

U.S. stocks rallied Tuesday as investors welcomed a rise in U.S. manufacturing activity and digested a mixed batch of corporate earnings More

4 year high, now that deserves a screw that!

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:53 | 2388705 HD
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I would say "unbelievable" but it isn't anymore. Fundamentals and common sense are worthless now and the only fools are guys like me that believe reality will return to the markets anytime soon.

I'm getting tired of fighting this.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:01 | 2388715 hedgeless_horseman
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What do you think all equity markets do during inflation?  They go up in NOMINAL terms.  You act like it is some unexpected event...a mystery.  Ever heard of Zimbabwe?

It isn't ever easy being a bear during inflation.

Real versus nominal returns; figure it out for crying out loud!

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:59 | 2388723 Benjamin Glutton
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Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:05 | 2388742 Widowmaker
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More like robbing the vulnerable two generations deep.  Savers, prudent and risk averse are all fucking slaughtered.

No one sees it coming!



Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:39 | 2388662 GeneMarchbanks
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'Just like the Romans who left for Byzantium, the Ottomans who left for Europe, the Europeans who left for North America, there are always regions in the world that are rising while others are falling.'

Where are you going to go exactly? Jesus, this heroic portrayal of despotism and escape from oppression is endless with you fucking people. Just tireless nonsense along with perpetual victimization.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:11 | 2388765 XitSam
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Free Lunar Colony.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:21 | 2388797 AnAnonymous
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Was in US citizen plan.

NASA slogan: pioonering the new frontier or something.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:44 | 2388871 moondog
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Hello Chi-Com propaganda bot.

01100110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 17:56 | 2389479 GeezerGeek
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I dare you to say that in EBCDIC. And personally, I prefer unicode.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:55 | 2389589 BigJim
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"10000110 10100100 10000011 10010010 01000000 10101000 10010110 10100100"

as our IBM cousins would say.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 21:42 | 2389883 Umh
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I knew I kept that green card for some reason.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:28 | 2389016 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

NASA slogan: pioonering the new frontier or something.

Star Trek television show was not real being is.

Connection NASA between Star Trek television show being fantasy construction of Chinese citizenism strawsmanism.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 20:29 | 2389769 Phil Free
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Yoda says, regarding the forming of cognizant English sentences, "Help you I will not."

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:42 | 2389072 akak
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NASA slogan: pioonering the new frontier or something.


Chinese Citizenism Citizens:

The pioonering parangons of canibilistic blobbing-up.

Chinese Citizenims slogan: "Do as we say, not as we do!"

Chinese Citizenism citizens' nature is infernal.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:35 | 2388845 JPM Hater001
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Will Newt be there?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 17:49 | 2389467 XitSam
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No. In Free Lunar Colony, you pay for your air by working for it. Jaw-boning freeloaders and politicians need not apply. TANSTAAFL.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 17:59 | 2389480 GeezerGeek
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Moonchelle is such a harsh mistress!

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:36 | 2389559 Ricky Bobby
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Hey douchMarch, who is "you fucking people"

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:40 | 2388664 LawsofPhysics
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"Just like the Romans who left for Byzantium, the Ottomans who left for Europe, the Europeans who left for North America, there are always regions in the world that are rising while others are falling."


While I agree with the general premise of the article and this statement, precisely where is this new promised land?  As far as I can tell every single government is and has been directly monetizing debt or manipulating their currency for some time now.  FAIL

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:18 | 2388784 DollarMenu
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IMO, "The New Promised Land" is right in front of your face, you just do not see it.

If you don't want to deal with the TSA, DON'T FLY.

A month of no one using the airlines would stop that crap cold.

Still banking with TBTF? 

Still using the TBTF issued credit and debit cards?

If so, you have no one to look at but yourself.

Hate the news, but stll paying cable bills so it's delvered steaming hot to your flatscreen?

Where's the mirror -use it when you complain.

If all would just sit down, in place, and do nothing for a month you'd see your new promised land.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:30 | 2389237 machinegear
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Can I still have a Value Fries?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:55 | 2389329 LawsofPhysics
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You make a lot of assumptions about me.  All of which are incorrect.  Won't be successful in this life with that approach.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:03 | 2389601 Irwin Fletcher
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You probably think that privacy is for people with something to hide.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:02 | 2389596 BigJim
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 IMO, "The New Promised Land" is right in front of your face, you just do not see it.

If you don't want to deal with the TSA, DON'T FLY.

A month of no one using the airlines would stop that crap cold.

Still banking with TBTF? 

Still using the TBTF issued credit and debit cards?

If so, you have no one to look at but yourself.

Hate the news, but stll paying cable bills so it's delvered steaming hot to your flatscreen?

Where's the mirror -use it when you complain.

If all would just sit down, in place, and do nothing for a month you'd see your new promised land.

But... I did all those things (actually for two months) and nothing happened! The system continued!

O, wait! That's right! It will only get results if scores of millions of other people, over whom I have absolutely no influence, do it as well.

Moron. Next I suppose you'll be advising individuals to single-handedly elect Ron Paul.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:23 | 2389634 Moe Howard
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I am with you brother. These same people have a Chase banana bank card, freak-quent flyer miles and the max-e-moe cable bill.

We are in the promised land, we have to take it back.

Don't fly, don't credit card, don't cable, vote with your money. Buy AG, AU and PB. Don't forget clean food and water.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 19:58 | 2481768 WallowaMountainMan
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"If all would just sit down, in place, and do nothing for a month you'd see your new promised land."

agreed. 100%

99% slow down. 1% suffocate. beyond infinity.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:23 | 2388806 Mad Max
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Simon seems to like Argentina... truly a bastion of human rights and private property protection.  Prosperity and low crime too.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:30 | 2389027 duo
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Simon, answer the question.  What if 0.1% of us, 300,000 people want to GTFO?  Where would we go?

Assume that we are not rich enough to buy our own island.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:56 | 2389706 USKiwi
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The alarm bells are ringing but very few are listening and even fewer are willing to do what it takes and leave while the option still exists.  When the time comes that it becomes obviously apparent to everyone that they should be leaving the US, the option to do so will no longer exist either because the US will prevent you from leaving or no other country will take you.

There are countries all over the world with their doors wide open if you are willing to go.  We picked New Zealand and we did not have to be rich to move here.  They have their doors open for now, but I suspect as native kiwi's currently living abroad come home (this process has already slowly started BTW) the doors to immigrants will slam shut.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:23 | 2389219 Slipmeanother
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Jim Rodgers left for Singapore---get moving!

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:46 | 2388676 Seize Mars
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He's right, one owes it to oneself to think this through carefully, while there's still time.

Edit: I don't think he is saying there is a perfect place to escape to. I think he is saying this is an obviously dangerous place to be.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:00 | 2388725 Thadius T. Crunk
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By "this is a dangerous place" do you mean this planet?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:48 | 2388693 BKbroiler
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You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:50 | 2388698 francis_sawyer
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I know... Let's all just move to Israel...

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:59 | 2388918 caconhma
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Great thinking. Let us all move to Palestine/Israel.

By the way, what will we do with Israelis? I know, they can, once again, move to other places destroying up there any civility and live hoods of the local people.

As for Arabs, Americans are good exterminating native people like they have done it to the local Indians.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:29 | 2389003 jtg
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"Great thinking. Let us all move to Palestine/Israel."

"By the way, what will we do with Israelis? I know, they can, once again, move to other places destroying up there any civility and live hoods of the local people."

The Jews built a beautiful country out of mostly desert that also includes Muslim and Christian citizens, against incredible odds. Muslims have lorded over the Middle East for fourteen centuries and what have they accomplished? Not much, other than oppress and kill non-Muslims and in their obscene sharia law treat women as half a man, in bondage. To those Muslims that hate Israel: look at yourselves first.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:04 | 2389168 optimator
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"They made the desert bloom".  For only three billion bucks a year and a lot of loans that are forgiven one can make any desert bloom.

Wed, 05/02/2012 - 14:41 | 2389626 BigJim
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My next door neighbor had a bit of a beat-up car. So my brother (the sheriff) decided it was "a car without an owner, for an owner without a car!" which was very convenient for me, as I happened not to have a car of my own at the time.

I took the car away... and you know what? My neighbor said it was his!!! And when I had to shoot some of his family to facilitate removing them from my property, he had the temerity to buy some weapons, and get a few cousins along to shoot back at me! Me! In MY car!

Well! Fortunately, he and his cousins aren't very good at that kind of thing, so I've managed to keep my property in my possession. I've done it up, a bit, too; replaced the tyres and given it a good waxing.

Luckily, my sheriff brother asks (all right, makes) the other townsfolk contribute a lot of the funds necessary to do this. As well as giving me lots of his weapons, which is just as well; my old 'neighbor' keeps insisting my car is his - despite the beautiful wax job I gave it!

Meanwhile, I've also managed to get hold of an old motorcycle that was just lying around, and done that up a bit, too. Well, you'll never guess... yes! my neighbor is claiming that's his too!

What an extraordinary world we live in!

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:51 | 2388700 TheGardener
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God thanks we have Simon on this doomsters site, were would we be ?

Seriously, after telling us to emigrate to other-mans-land
is he turning around yet again trying to get as back-to -the tribe ?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:55 | 2388707 francis_sawyer
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Simon is looking for "Dryland" in Waterworld & all around him are "Smokers"...

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:05 | 2388746 TheGardener
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5 pm in the corner bar after war in Dryland. Without a leg or two, meet Simon. Smokers riding on new tickets, beware.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:53 | 2388703 q99x2
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I've been trying to kick my empire out but it won't go.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:07 | 2388751 sof_hannibal
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i think it get much worse before it gets better... if it gets better

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 13:55 | 2388709 b_thunder
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Well, Simon,  do you still think that when sh*t hits the fan President Cristina Fernandez de kirchner won't expropriate the land that you surely assume you've purchased? 

Let me make it clear:  foreign-owned assets get expropriated first. always and everywhere.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:30 | 2388813 TheGardener
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Expropriated of all your supposed assets you will be. Don't cry for democracy or Cristina, or Argentina. Coming to a place nearer than you thought it would ever be, nearer and become of it would ever be...

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:34 | 2388841 moondog
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Rich Gringos especially...

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:45 | 2388873 NotApplicable
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Must be scary living the homeless lifestyle that he does. No matter where he is, he will always be a  stranger.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:01 | 2388920 TheGardener
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We still call it diaspora. Scary nonetheless...

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:01 | 2388733 Widowmaker
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The only thing rising is fascist oppression worldwide.

If anyone thinks they can hide from the globalist fraud cartel masking as banks you deserve to be fucken eaten.

Corporations are already the entrenched enemy, replacing flacid governments worldwide.  Uncle Sham-Sam being one of them.

Corporate personhood, TBTF, and decimation of anyone without "money" are all symptoms these fucks already own the place.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:23 | 2388804 AnAnonymous
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No. That is US citizenism. US citizenism is spreading everywhere.

But as US citizens can not admit they stole entire continents, they have to be the robbed or not be.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:25 | 2388812 GeneMarchbanks
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'But as US citizens can not admit they stole entire continents, they have to be the robbed or not be.'

Hamlet-esque. +1

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:32 | 2388917 akak
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But as US citizens can not admit they stole entire continents, they have to be the robbed or not be.

Much as Chinese citizenism citizens can not admit that the Communist Chinese state invaded and blobbed-up the formerly free and independent nation of Tibet, or is continuing to threaten war against, and try to steal, the free and independent Republic of Taiwan --- and even tries to deny the very existence of Chinese Citizenism itself.

Hypocritical and denialistic Chinese Citizenism nature is infernal.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:04 | 2388929 Widowmaker
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US imperialism came from Europe.

Just like fraud banking to assure it.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:15 | 2389513 GeezerGeek
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I suppose they didn't teach you much history in whatever school you went to. The US westward expansion, displacing indigenous populations, was merely a replay of the earlier tribal migrations that washed across Europe from West to East. Consider the Vandals, Ostrogoths, Celts, etc. Then look at the various empires that engulfed China. The Mongols even tried taking Europe, remember? Singling out the US is absurd. You sound like a typical, hypocritical liberal, accusing others of what you yourself - or in this case your ancestors - do.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:08 | 2389612 Irwin Fletcher
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Don't forget the indigenous populations that displaced the previous indigenous populations.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:20 | 2389523 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

US citizenism is spreading everywhere.

No, that is Chinese citizenism. Across planet slowly spreading now doing. By design the Chinese citizenism absorption of exterior.

Slow first so not to notice cause. A little Tibet here. A little Mongolia then here. Now follows a little Nepal here. Slow, slow, dripping of steady exterior absorption is.

But as Chinese citizenism citizens must having of face savery, cannot be self indiction even in broad daylight seeing of them stealing continent, they have to be the blobbed up or not be.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:01 | 2388734 CH1
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The trolls are all afraid of this article.

Hell of a good sign.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:05 | 2388747 sof_hannibal
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all hail Admiral-General Supreme Allied Commander Emperor Obama... hahaha = screw that

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:48 | 2388859 TheGardener
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A good hell of an article and even better feed for trolls .
I get to like the kuli-bot, never would feed her for programming though.

Eastern bitch , I presume, and that`s beyond the next best
guess of a green-card-holder-wannabee-despite-of mental-illness, I suppose..:-)

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:46 | 2388879 NotApplicable
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What's the point of trolling a troll?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:21 | 2388981 tmosley
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It's for the lulz.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:09 | 2388757 Ace Ventura
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The storm that's coming will get everyone wet. The only question is, will you be allowed to KEEP the boat you built in anticipation of the approaching flood? I suggest you will not....and thus be forced to physically fight for it.

This time it really is different. But only in the sense that this time......there is no place to run.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:15 | 2388954 TheGardener
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Beyond me, should never had been sucked into boating or this
all-changing accident...

Yokes and jokes aside , there is really no place to run and
hide, I agree with you ... not even for simons with multiple
faces and passports

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:22 | 2389218 F. Bastiat
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Well, there have been three proven antidotes to tyranny throughout recorded history - God, guns, and gold.  Get to work.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:20 | 2389524 GeezerGeek
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There is no place to run if you want to visit Walmart (or some local equivalent) on a regular basis. Alaska, Australia, Canada and many other places have some very remote places in which one could hide for a few years. Most of them probably don't have internet connectivity, so anyone addicted to ZH need not bother.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:24 | 2389636 BigJim
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That's me out, then

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:09 | 2388759 Gringo Viejo
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Samuel T. Francis (1947-2002) was a paleoconservative columnist who coined the word "anarcho-tyranny". He explained it thus: What we have in this country today, then, is both anarchy (the failure of the state to enforce the laws against real criminals) and, at the same time, tyranny (the criminalization of law abiding citizens via exorbitant taxation, hate crime laws, onerous regulation, invasion of privacy,  social engineering and a vast labyrinth of other measures).

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:24 | 2388808 AnAnonymous
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And paleo acoustics? No?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:03 | 2388926 akak
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And geo linguistics? 

And astro psychology?

And Chinese citizenism honesty?


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:20 | 2388984 TheGardener
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Ward of word craft?

Don`t take this personal, just joking along your serious line :-;

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:26 | 2389536 TheFourthStooge-ing
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And paleo acoustics? No?

By necessity Chinese citizenism distortionary perception of realty being cryptic.

Cryptic Chinese citizenism plan all along is?

Perhaps, perhaps...


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:43 | 2389573 Ricky Bobby
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Analmous -

You can get back to your FoxConn Shift now, your compulsory service to dear leader is completed for the day.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:51 | 2388896 NotApplicable
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Anarchy is never defined as the "failure of a state," but rather the absence of "an external force in the guise of a state."

That all external states fail due to the incoherenece of one person controlling another is a given, as it's simply not possible to eliminate the idea of self-determination.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:09 | 2388760 tony bonn
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" Screw that."

amen brother black.....the american empire is as totalitarian as the nazi regime of adolph hitler and will surpass it in murders....the concentration camps on american soil are as numerous as the malls.

the bush crime syndicate is looking for a flimsy pretext on which to invoke martial law.....

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:59 | 2389352 DosZap
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the bush crime syndicate is looking for a flimsy pretext on which to invoke martial law.....


Tony, pls...................this goes so far back, GW was not in his Daddy's nutsack.There are so mnay in the syndicate, GW is just one of Legions.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:25 | 2389532 GeezerGeek
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Are you suggesting that Obama is part of the 'bush crime syndicate" or is Jeb planning on being elected president?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:16 | 2388778 tony bonn
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"...mass Exodus of over 90% of western Rome’s ..."

what most do not realize is that the city of rome was massively decimated.....when the western empire capitulated to odoacer in 476, the population of rome was at most 30,000 and soon thereafter fell to around 500 souls....a far cry from the 1,000,000 or so at the time of augustus....

rome was plundered from within - the outsiders prevailed because of the ancient equivalent to the bush crime syndicate. the state security apparatus centered in the praetorian guard blood let the west.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:16 | 2389205 jwoop66
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Bush?!?!  Are you kidding?   Barack, is that you?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:26 | 2389537 GeezerGeek
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Why did we ever doubt Obama when he said it was Bush's fault. He only got the tense wrong. He should have said "It will have been Bush's fault."

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:20 | 2388791 penexpers
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"Just like the Romans who left for Byzantium, the Ottomans who left for Europe, the Europeans who left for North America, there are always regions in the world that are rising while others are falling."

While I agree with others that there aren't any rising civilizations that promote individual and economic freedom on a grand scale. I do think that there are countries, say, in Latin America (Chile and Ecuador for starts) that will have low tax rates, promote sustainable agriculture (GMOs: screw that!) and allow you to live your live our without an overbearing central government.

It's up to us to throw these technocrats out and build our own 21st century civilization free of sociopathic criminals in every position of power.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:08 | 2389496 F. Bastiat
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Not gonna happen overnight, though. It's a long and arduous process that's only in its infantile stages.  Probably looking at a decade or two, at least, to make any real headway.  Gonna be some bumps in the road as well; don't expect those living off the fruits of others' labor to surrender the spoils of plunder, or the power to engage in plunder, easily.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:21 | 2388798 wonderatitall
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...or as our dog eating racist hatemonger says, "you have enough". i know what to do with it. famous last words of all hitlerian lovers of "fairness".


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:22 | 2388799 HAhyperion
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Agree with Wodwmaker: No where to run, no where to hide.  Fascism reigns supreme globally.

"It's only a PAPER world, sailing over a cardboard sea, it's as phony as it can be"

But the cannibals are already starting to feed on their own...  

War is not the answer my friend, but it is ALL they know

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:23 | 2388803 Mad Max
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Simon's right.  I'm going to move to a country that respects human rights and private property, and has no history of tyranny or death squads.  Like Simon's perpetual favorite, Argentina!  Or its neighbor, Bolivia!

The advice to move would be wonderful advice, IF there were a better place to move to.  I've looked at options and all I see are places where you will get tortured by people with differing accents, or a handful of places where the locals won't torture you, but are helpless to defend themselves, or you, against the powers that will.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 14:28 | 2388820 AnAnonymous
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No better place to be protected from US citizenism than the epicenter of the US citizen empire, that is the US of A.

Consider, when moving abroad, you expose yourself to open assassination that will not shock US citizenship holders.

Only assassination on the US ground might move them.

US of A is the eye of the storm. Better to stay within.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:11 | 2388938 akak
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US of A is the eye of the storm. Better to stay within.

And the totalitarian Communist People's Republic of Nose-Picking, Enforced Abortions and Blobbing-Up is the asshole of the earth.  Better to stay off the sides of Chinese roads, lest one step in it.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:35 | 2389558 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No better place to be protected from Chinese citizenism than the most ignored artifact of Chinese citizenism empire, that is the out house.

Consider, when moving on road, you expose yourself to open assed excretion that will not shock Chinese citizenism citizenship holders.

Only open assed excretion on the Chinese citizenism roadside ground might move them the bowels and dropping numerous logs.

Chinese citizenism out house is attention not given by the brown eye of the storm. Better to stay within.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:24 | 2389002 tmosley
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His first choice is Chile, as I recall.  But hey, feel free to discredit the central thesis if it makes you feel better about your choice to remain in Nazi America.

I certainly never agreed with the idea of going to Argentina given their recent history, but that doesn't mean that there is nowhere to go.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:49 | 2389100 TheGardener
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Mosley , to our regret I met many a Nazi refugee good descendant in Argentina and too many bad leftists in Chile and took refuge in Brasilian cool negroid territory...

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:39 | 2389067 TheGardener
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As a Westerner , you would probably beat the torture.

Cruel and despicable as it is, it is the next best thing to equal rights promised elsewhere, lacking in and false representation for your undoing.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:31 | 2388898 USKiwi
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I saw the same thing Simon does a few years back and decided to do something about it.  We made the move from the US to New Zealand and it was the best decision we ever made.  American's have options (for now) to leave and improve the quality of their current and future lives, but very few are able to break through the nationalism programmed into us from birth and seek something better.  Most would rather continue to believe that there could never be anything as good as the US while their lives and the empire crumbles around them.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:59 | 2389351 LawsofPhysics
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My brother moved with his wife to New Zealand.  His wife is a citizen there.  Apparently they don't like to hire outsiders.  I considered expanding an operation there, but was quite literally told how I would run my operation and who I would hire.  Please elaborate, because it sounds like you had a differnt experience than I. 

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:16 | 2389515 USKiwi
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Not sure about that.  We have more success finding jobs here than in the US.  NZ is constantly rated as one of the easiest places to establish a business so apparently there is not too much restriction to how you do your business.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 17:19 | 2389377 New World Chaos
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Another USKiwi here.  Came because of Bush, staying because of Obama.  My big mouth probably got me on various lists and I didn't feel like risking the gulag in a country where most people don't know what freedom is and wouldn't want it if they did.  I was either preaching to the choir or preaching to a brick wall.  Usually a brick wall.  Plus, I didn't want to end up as a cog in an evil machine, and didn't want to be arbitrarily fucked by cops or lawyers.

I didn't leave America.  America left me.  Part of it still survives in New Zealand.

I'm in Auckland, where are you?  Sent you a contact request (don't know how this works).  Any other Americans interested in bugging out to NZ?

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 17:37 | 2389439 TheGardener
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Kiwi is a really cool place, you might even survive.

All others stay put and defend your place to be, or we will
never ever get anywhere...

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:26 | 2389539 USKiwi
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I feel the same way - "I didn't leave America.  America left me."  Once I realised that what was America was gone and not coming back, I quickly came to the conclusion that I was not going to live the life of a martyr and allow my family to suffer when I could give them something better and safer outside the US.

We got here right as the financial crisis was gaining steam in the US.  I am amazed that more people have not made the jump.  Nationalism blinds many.  If only people knew how good their lives could potentially be if they simply looked outside the cage they voluntarily live in.

We are in the Wairarapa.

Not sure how the contact thing works on this but my e-mail is if you would like to chat or if anyone else is interested on how to escape to NZ from the US.


Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:05 | 2388933 JR
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When the roll of malevolent leaders of the 20th Century is called…Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler, etc., it’s not likely that the people of the world would include Tsar Nicolas. In fact, the Russian people now able to digest their true history consider him a matyr.

The mass murder of the Russian Tsar and his family that had ruled Russia for three centuries, presaged the Communist mass slaughter that claimed so many Russian lives. It is symbolic of the Communist effort to kill Russia itself.  Nicolas and his family were Christians; they were murdered by the Bolshevik rulers who lacked genuine popular support and rightly feared the Russian people would never approve the mass killings.

The tragic murder of the Romanov family has become a symbol of the tragic fate that awaited Russia and, now perhaps, the entire West.  Or world.

According to an introduction of the Miracles of the Tsar Martyr Nicolas II in the Fr. Demetrios Series by Father Demtrios Serfes: “[T]hose who slaughtered the Imperial Family in the middle of the night of 17 July 1918, have all mysteriously disappeared, and no one in all of Russia wants to be blamed for what took place in a house in Ekaterinburg in Siberia.”

The government of Tsar Nicolas, prior to the Bolshevik Revolution and ever since, has been demonized by the Zionists, first to justify the revolution and second to continue to make use of their distorted world view of history.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 15:47 | 2389093 my puppy for prez
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I'm not leavin'....the NWO is an equal opportunity destroyer!

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 19:17 | 2389627 DosZap
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Here's what WE have to look forward to.........................if your stayin,and plan on playin.

Barack Obama’s latest campaign slogan “Forward!” also happens to be a Nazi marching tune.
Vorwärts! Vorwärts! was a marching song of the Hitler youth.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 16:48 | 2389297 jwoop66
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If it turns to shit here, it will probably be twice as bad anywhere else.  At least I speak the language and fit in here.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 17:01 | 2389362 DosZap
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If it turns to shit here, it will probably be twice as bad anywhere else. At least I speak the language and fit in here.


Damn sure will be a lot more two way shooting....................Bank It.

Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:46 | 2399936 jwoop66
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One thing about us Americans- We aim before we pull the trigger.   The majority of us, anyway.  I'm still stayin.

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 18:44 | 2389575 USKiwi
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This comment is a good example of how American's view themselves as part of the world and this view could not be farther from the truth.

Contrary to the popular America-centric beliefs held by people who have generally never even set foot outside of the US, much of the rest of the world will fair just fine as the US continues its decline.  No doubt some places will feel the hurt, but this hurt will not be uniform across the world and many places will be relative islands of prosperity and safety.  I have bet a lot on New Zealand being one of these islands when I left the US to live here and everything I have experienced here to date has reinforced this belief 100%.



Sat, 05/05/2012 - 17:44 | 2399933 jwoop66
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I've spent years outside of the US.  Across the water even.    Europe is fucked.   China - fucked.   Japan - fucked.   Africa, the middle east, the orient, Russia?   Need I say it - fucked.    I hope things are good in NZ, but a lot of folks have moved there from outside; I hope they can be self-sufficient.   Otherwise... FUCKED!   

My statement stands.  

Tue, 05/01/2012 - 21:23 | 2389864 SymforniX
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Biggest takeaway for me from this global dog-and-pony show is that I have come to terms with my own mortality. I accept it. Because let's face it - you can only die once.

I believe this to be the ultimate source of all anxiety regarding 'the new normal'. If you come to terms with your own (potentially premature) mortality, they have no power because you fear nothing.  You become spiritually invincible. 

I'm not going anywhere. Screw THAT.

If I die during the collapse, at least I will die knowing that I did everything I possibly could to survive. And I'll be satisfied with that.

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