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Understanding The Slave Mentality

In the initial stages of nearly every recorded tyranny, the saucer eyed dumbstruck masses exhibit astonishing and masterful skill when denying reality.  The facts behind their dire circumstances and of their antagonistic government become a source of cynical psychological gameplay rather than a source of legitimate concern.  Their desperate need to maintain their normalcy bias creates a memory and observation vacuum in which all that runs counter to their false assumptions and preconceptions disappears forever.  It is as if they truly cannot see the color of the sky, or the boot on their face.  The concrete world of truth becomes a dream, an illusion that can be heeded or completely ignored depending on one’s mood.  For them, life is a constant struggle of dissociation, where the tangible is NOT welcome…

This is the problem that we in the Liberty Movement deal with most often in our writings and films.  Our confrontation with willful ignorance has been epic, even by far reaching historical standards.  The gains in social awareness have been substantial, and yet the obstacles are incredible.  Unprecedented.  As an activist trend, we have an almost obsessive drive to draw back the curtain so that the public has at least the opportunity to see what is on the other side.  Unfortunately, there is another danger that must be taken into account…

It is one thing to bear witness to the rejection of truth in our time and the oblivious attitudes of many towards the growth of totalitarianism.  Eventually, though, a second phase in the development of oligarchy arises.  I am speaking of the point at which tyranny becomes so blatant that the skeptics have to acknowledge its existence, but after doing so, they choose to rationalize it as necessary.  Yes, there are many in this world that will laugh at the prospect of the Orwellian nightmare only to happily embrace it when it arrives in full color.      

I was recently looking into the divisive issue of U.S. Marine Sgt. Gary Stein, whose position has come under threat due to his criticisms of Barack Obama and his founding of the ‘Armed Forces Tea Party Facebook Page’.  What I discovered was a large number of Americans in support of Stein’s right to speak as a citizen (even under Marine regulations) against the unconstitutional actions of any president or presidential candidate.  I also discovered a considerable number who wanted to see the soldier dishonorably discharged, or even set upon a noose as punishment. 

Now, we all know that the Department of Defense monitors web news and social networking activity, and they have been caught red handed in the past posing as regular citizens with strangely militant pro-authoritarian views (look into their organized propaganda attacks on websites dealing with the levee failures during Katrina, for instance).  It is by no means a stretch to suggest that they would also troll the comments sections of mainstream news articles in an attempt to engineer a fraudulent consensus that Sgt. Stein’s actions have been negatively received by the majority of Americans.  But that aside, the underlings at the DOD are still Americans, and the views they espouse are still expressions of a subsection of this country (a small elitist one).  Also, sadly, there are plenty of non-government-paid people out there who believe exactly as they do.

Surely, we can debate over the details of Marine regulations until our ears bleed, and I could point out several facts that the mainstream media did not cover in their hit pieces on Stein (like the fact that he went to his superiors and asked them to advise him in the handling of his political position long before the present charges against him were ever formulated, and the fact that he followed many of their suggestions…), but ultimately, the regulations of the Marines or the Federal Government are irrelevant.  Such laws are transitory, and are usually written so broadly that the authorities of the day can execute them however they wish to fit their needs at the moment.  The real question here is one of principle, moral compass, and Constitutionality (a document which is a reflection of eternal natural law).  We have to set aside the pointless legalese of defense standards in the case of Sgt. Stein and ask ourselves an important question; do U.S. troops have a right to free speech? 

If you believe so, then their rights are not limited or exclusive.  They are free to say whatever any other American has a right to say.  If you believe they do not, then you have relegated the troops to the position of second class citizens, or even property of the state.  There is NO in-between.  Discipline and military coherence be damned.  Either these men and women have First Amendment protections and are full citizens or they are mechanisms of the government whose civil liberties have been erased.

Even though I understand the psychology behind it, I am still shaken with raw electrical astonishment when confronted by those who support the latter notion that American soldiers are indeed property of the state, that their actions must be dictated by the president and not the Constitution, and that this is required for the military to function.

Very few of these absurd multitudes ever ask what “function” such a military, populated by ethical robots who are blindly subservient to the dictates of a single man, would actually serve?

What good is an unprincipled military?  An unprincipled government?  An unprincipled society?  What reason is there for these constructs to exist?  The Nuremberg Trials solidified the reality that soldiers will be held accountable for following criminal orders, and still, there are some who claim that our troops must adopt a shoot first pay later methodology. 

I bring up the circumstances of Sgt. Stein to illustrate the situation our nation is currently facing; we are on the threshold of total despotism, where the naysayers who shrugged off the threat of rogue government yesterday suddenly embrace it and support it today.  When Stewart Rhodes first formed the Oath Keepers organization, the same talking point was consistently used in an attempt to derail it; “The orders you would refuse to obey could never occur in this country…”  And yet, many of the warnings of Oath Keepers have come to pass, including the unlawful disarming of peaceful U.S. citizens during the disaster in New Orleans, the institution of government directed assassination programs of U.S. citizens under Bush and Obama, the passing of NDAA legislation which includes provisions for indefinite detainment of Americans without trial, warrantless wiretapping, surveillance, and even home invasion by authorities is becoming common, and the Obama Administration has put into place several executive orders (including the The National Defense Resources Preparedness EO) which pave the way for Martial Law to be declared.

The cold hard reality is, the Oath Keepers were right, and Sgt. Stein is right.

And, now that this is becoming undeniable, the opponents of their tenets are switching gears to fight for the implementation of unconstitutional laws which they used to deny were even possible.  Can this situation be any more insane?  Oh yes…

There are no limits to the surrealist hell that can be unleashed when dealing with what I like to call the “Slave Mentality”.  The slave mentality takes many shapes.  It is pervasive in times of social distress, and, it can be infectious.  The psychologist Carl Jung wrote in his book ‘The Undiscovered Self’ that the cruel sociopathy seen in the populations of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia is actually latent in many of us.  All it needs is the right set of sociopolitical circumstances and a weak enough will, and the shadows in the hearts of lesser men are given license to come out and play.  This is just as true in America, where people now operated on assumptions that the state is an absolute provider in the event of national calamity.      

But what are the signs of this unconscious desire for collectivism and control?  What makes a slave do what he does?  Here are just a handful of explanations to consider…

The True Slave: The true slave is not a person who has been shackled, beaten, tortured, and made to comply under threat of death.  As long as that poor soul has the spirit of rebellion and is ever seeking freedom, they are not imprisoned fully.  The true slave is a person who enjoys their subservience, who is weighted with fear by the very idea of independence from the system, and who would actually fight and die to maintain the establishment which enslaves them.  The true slave is not able to imagine living any other life beyond his micro-managed existence.

The Facts Lose Value: The worst flaw of the slave is not necessarily his ability to overlook the truth, but his ability to see it, comprehend it, and then shrug it off anyway because it is contrary to his mission to fulfill his private delusions.  For the slave, the truth exists, but is no longer useful.  Lies make his universe turn, and facts are a tool to be used or cast aside at his leisure.

The Obsession With The Law:
The slave mentality, though illogical and psychotic, still requires a certain foundation to hold it together.  The laws of governments tend to suffice.  These laws may go completely against the force of inherent conscience, but because the slave has already abandoned listening to his inner voice of reason, this does not bother him much.  If you have ever wondered why modern tyrannies always feel the need to put their horrific enforcements in writing first, THIS is why.  Oligarchs understand that the law provides the slave with a means to rationalize his participation in the crimes of the state.  After all, if some gut-bloated bloodthirsty elitists in government etch their mad inbred ramblings into law, then we have no choice but to follow them, right?

The Need To Be Accepted: A slave seeks harmony not within, but without, even when that “harmony” is with a system that is designed to destroy him.  The viciousness of collectivism lay in its ability to comfort converts with atrocity.  As long as the slave feels as though he is a part of the machine, and accepted by the group, he cares not what the machine does to others.  Common arguments include; “We all have to live together, and so we must sacrifice our selfish individualism for the greater good…” or “Governments are here to protect us and we should do everything we can to make their job easier…”  Rarely if ever do they question if the system is legitimately helpful or harmful.  The system just “is”, it fulfills their need to be coddled, and that is good enough for them.  For all their talk of "unity" and the "greater good", collectivist are for the most part deeply selfish.  They do not support or participate in the collective for the sake of others.  They do it to satiate their personal desires.

The Need For Control:
I suppose it’s ironic, but the average slave loves tyranny because it affords him a perceived seat at the table of power, perhaps for the first time in his entire life.  Collectivist slaves are often people who have felt weak and inadequate since childhood.  While honorable human beings fight this personal uncertainty by strengthening themselves physically and mentally, and improving upon their own character, the slave takes the easy route by joining with bureaucracy and living vicariously through its conquests.  Through the state, the hollow, cowardly, and stupid, have the ability to “show the world who’s boss”, and get revenge for a life filled with meaninglessness. 

The Need For Structure:
An individual takes responsibility for himself, learning over time to provide his own structure which works at his pace and serves his unique needs.  A slave does not have the energy or the drive to do that, and so, he asks the establishment to tell him how he should live.  He will hold at face value the word of nearly anyone in a position of petty authority.  When confronted with those who go their own way, or who rebel against the cookie-cutter template for social participation, the slave sneers in disgust.  Independent rebellion is abhorrent to him, because the system provides him with his very identity.  To insult the fabric of the system is to insult who he is.  It’s pathetic, but common…

The Need For Vindication: Sometimes it is not enough for certain people to have their own world view.  The slave seeks approval for his world view at every turn, even if that world view is twisted by bleary eyed logic, and will go so far as to force others to agree with it so that they can feel safer in their beliefs.  It is natural for people to seek out others with similar views and ideals, but, it is not natural or healthy for those same people to use the government apparatus as a weapon to frighten the rest of us into submission just so they can become more confident in their ludicrous slapdash philosophies.  Slaves want a world without contradiction.  Laughably, everything they do is a contradiction.                        

What I have seen in a number of the reactions to the honest activism of Sgt. Gary Stein is a knee-jerk bias that reeks of the slave mentality, but it offers us a window in gauging the leanings of the general public.  Now that the once theoretical dangers of federal fascism are breaking the surface of the water and circling the American sinking ship, the great test is to watch closely where the masses place their priorities.  Will they take the path of the individual, admit to the laboratory mutation that our government has become, and try to make things right again?  Or, will they take the path of the slave, forget their past follies and empty arguments, and jump on the totalitarian bandwagon?  Certainly, it is not as if the cheerleaders of the state usually get out of the tumult with all their limbs intact.  In most cases, they are lucky to get out alive once the smoke clears.  One might think that the lessons of history would be guide enough, but then again, the average slave has taken every conceivable measure to ensure that his particular fantasy land is magical enough to withstand substantial examination.  The system is their drug, and the upheaval that free thought brings is such a buzz-kill…


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Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:22 | 2309308 Bazinga
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I can sum up the article in one sentence - Taking EVERYTHING the media and the government tell you as fact WITHOUT questioning.

Slavery=Sheeple. Wake up people.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:38 | 2309346 NumberNone
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Bazinga...we all know that the press never lies and everything the tell us is the truth...uh...ummm...oops. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:44 | 2309365 ratso
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Sounds like Republicans to me.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:46 | 2309377 economics9698
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Negroes vote Democrat 99% of the time.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:47 | 2309379 Pladizow
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It is not the job of the conscious to awake the unconscious.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:48 | 2309382 JPM Hater001
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The Dow is having the toughest time with 13200.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:54 | 2309393 Pladizow
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To make a slave you only need control 3 things:

1. Food

2. Information

3. Habits by threat of violence

What % of Americans dont fall into this catagory?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:00 | 2309413 goldfish1
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Talk about slavery:

People gotta have those iphones:

Apple's Chinese iPhone plants employ forced interns...

Students told to man production lines at Foxconn if they want to graduate

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:05 | 2309431 goldfish1
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Foxconn, Apple and the FLA have not responded to requests for comment.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:08 | 2309630 Manthong
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The good news is that oligarchy is tansitory.

The bad news is that it yields to despotism.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:34 | 2310246 AgShaman
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They only comment after they've finished up with their chores.

Something about....checking the nets for the "catch of the day"

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:45 | 2310292 Michael
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The internet and the Ron Paul movement reversed decades of MSM social engineering. "Hunger Games" is the result of Agenda 21.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:03 | 2309427 Crisismode
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What percent?


1. Those that grow and raise most of their food themselves.

2. Those who get their information outside the MSM.

3. Those who have acquired firearms, ammunition, and training in the use of them.


Oh, I'd say about 1%

You know . . . . the "other" 1%

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:16 | 2309468 goldfish1
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I have an idea for the "occupy" people. Call for national shut your tv/internet off and no debit/credit card days. No electronic commerce, no facebook, no spending.

Then the "occupy" people can take a good look at themselves. Change begins with me.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:40 | 2309724 nonclaim
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A "get outside day" would be enough. No protest, no demonstration, nothing. No staged motivational message... that is most of the problem anyway: whatever you do make sure to not stray away from "this message", be a good boy and you'll be "free".

Just get outside and see/touch/smell/hear/taste the world.

That said, I'm out...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:45 | 2309564 Calmyourself
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Until the slaves get hungry, gut wrenching hungry they will protect the system against any threat be it simple facts, financial shocks or whatever..  The Government knows this and will keep the circuses and bread coming.  They have in fact learned the lessons of Rome and that is what makes our system so durable and dangerous.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:52 | 2310471 Colonial Intent
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You channelling Vladimir Ilych again?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:58 | 2309407 Oh regional Indian
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Was just thinkng about it today, and it's totally relevant.

How powerful is propaganda, that Iranian's come and live in America and think it is the greatest place on earth. Japanese flock to America, in awe. Germans are "all good" with Aamerica.

In India, white/English is still something looked up to, inspite of being under whitey's boot heel for centuries.

Point being, social engineering works. And the only way out is in. But given the proclivity of a fat down-hilling readership here, I'll refrain from expanding! ;-)

America has had TV and Hollywood for the longest time.



social-networking- social engineering

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:01 | 2309418 Pladizow
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See: Yuri Bezmenov

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:18 | 2309657 bahaar
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Let's be truthful.  West catapulted mankind to Industrial era from Agricultural era. They brought about earth-shaking changes to the way we live.   That's why 'white people' are looked up upon.  Not because of Hollywood propaganda.  Human beings are not that foolish.  They see what white people have achieved and think it's something worth emulating.  And remember.  India was under Arab boot for much longer than whiteman's boot.  Fortunately they've rejected Middle-East's nihilistic view of the world and embraced West's can-do attitude.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:05 | 2311625 malek
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 Germans are "all good" with America.

Sorry to disturb your world view, but that point needs more extensive research of yours.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:28 | 2309692 DavidC
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Yes, it really doesn't want to drop below it...

Oh, is that not what you meant?!


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:02 | 2309423 goldfish1
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The more the conscious awaken, the more the unconscious awaken.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:12 | 2309635 Winston Churchill
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You cannot fight apathy.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:45 | 2309912 XitSam
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Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2309992 LowProfile
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It's your turn at Call of Duty, pass the pork rinds.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:26 | 2311523 happel
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I don't care to.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:44 | 2309366 economics9698
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The lower the IQ the more people need structure and dictatorship.  You cannot be free with 85 IQ people voting.  Voting needs to be restricted to people with a IQ over 100.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:08 | 2309443 Hedgetard55
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140 would be better.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 20:02 | 2311311 rich_wicks
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I score very well on an IQ test.  This is because I know math and that's really the only reason.  Fully 50% of the questions are just math questions that I've seen in different forms countless times.

IQ is just a number, it's NOT A MEASURE OF INTELLIGENCE.  Oh, I'd like to think it is, but I know damned well it isn't.

You want to fix the voting system?  Make people write in all the votes.  If they can't remember the name of the candidate, and they can't remember how to spell their name, the person probably isn't qualified to vote.

Also, there should be reciepts for all voting.  That's easy.  You vote, get a receipt, and 2 months later, online, all the receips are matched up to the votes.  To check the vote, let people enter their receipt number and also signal how they voted.  All you need then is to record who responded, and if it turns out that the responders voted for Candidate A but B won, you can suspect some fraud.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:09 | 2311634 malek
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The interesting problem with the critics of IQ tests, is that they could never come up with a test in which other groups constantly fare better (in repeated blind tests.)

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:11 | 2309450 Buckaroo Banzai
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Unfortunately that kind of thinking leads us to Eugenics pretty quickly.

How about this idea: only people who own unencumbered property can vote?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:17 | 2309470 economics9698
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That works.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:52 | 2309853 LowProfile
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Here's a thought:  How about a republic, THAT ADHERES TO IT'S CONSTITUTION WHICH SECURES THE RIGHTS OF IT'S PEOPLE, where the most important decisions are made on a state/county level - You know, ACCORDING TO THE PRINCIPLES ON WHICH THE UNITED STATES was founded?!

You are a bunch of fucking fascists.  Keep the fuck out of my county or I'll kick your tiny balls to the roof of your mouths.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:06 | 2310140 economics9698
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LOL, I am a Libertarian.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:20 | 2309478 Oh regional Indian
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What if Rich Dad gifted dumb son said unencumbered prop? It's a rabbit hole, just like accredited investor, my personal pet peeve! 

Deeper-truth, there is no such thing as Unencumbered property. 


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 21:27 | 2311526 happel
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Allodial title. That is the way to go.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:21 | 2309485 LawsofPhysics
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You mean those people in power already?  The only people with truly "unencumbered property" are those few families behind the Federal Reserve bank.  You know, those few people on the other side of the interest being paid by the American tenant.  they have politicians and armies in their pockets.

You think you own your property, even if it is paid off?  Stop paying your taxes and let me know how that works out for you.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:50 | 2309582 Amagnonx
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There is nothing wrong with the idea behind eugencis, that is to constantly improve the genetic stock of humanity.  If left to their own devices, then human beings would natually improve or at least maintain the genetic stock  -however socialism will ensure a degradation.


We have the reverse of eugenics at the moment, where socialism provides everything for people who could not provide for themselves - they would not be able to afford all the children they have, but society is forced to pay - it is immoral, and against natural law.


Do we really want to live in a world populated by diseased morons?  Ultimately, if people don't act in their own self interest with respect to reproduction, then that is the world that awaits us.


If you are smart, healthy and able, then your responsibility is to have as many children as possible - thats eugenics.  If you are struggling to survive and a dimwit - don't have children at all - thats also eugencis.


We are also facing over population, the only people who see the risk are the people who should be having 20 kids, the people who don't see it are the tards and they are the ones having more children than they can possibly afford to keep alive (without the intervention of the state).  This leaves us with few options to establish a future not over populated by low IQ genetic sludge ..

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:14 | 2309644 TaxSlave
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Nothing wrong with it except for any plan to implement it.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 20:04 | 2311315 rich_wicks
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Eugenics assumes people are smart enough to know how to improve people.

I prefer evolution.  It's done a pretty good job so far.  The problem with selective breeding is a single environmental change might just destroy en entire crop, or in this case, an entire society.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:26 | 2309681 pods
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You have to define unencumbered.  From mortgage?  Or from rent (taxes)?


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:50 | 2309927 XitSam
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In Starship Troopers (the book, please), citizenship was awarded upon being released from service to the state.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:11 | 2310156 LuKOsro
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In Starship Troopers, few were released from the service to the state, if you know what I mean.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 18:00 | 2311011 XitSam
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As I recall, not during wartime.  It was fairly common prior to the war with the bugs.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:58 | 2310503 AgShaman
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Encumbered or ownership is a great myth residing in American Society.

Submit to your Overlords and "behave" yourself....and you'll be allowed to "rent" out a parcel of "Fantasy Land"

Reminds me of that cozy little dreamworld show Fantasy Island.....the serfs can't see their slavery...their reality is a picture show painted for them by their slavemasters

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 20:06 | 2311307 Frankie Carbone
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I propose a system where each person in the nation undergoes a battery of testing that involves knowledge of the classics, breadth and span of overall knowledge, formal logic skills, critical thinking and reasoning skills, knowledge of history, and IQ. The first question could be "Find Burma on a Map".  

You normalize the results and permanently elect the top 10% (31.2 million) to a special group called The Body of Citizenry. 

The rest, the other 90%, will receive the title of Consumer. 

The Citizenry will rule benevolently over the Consumers, and the former will govern via direct participation democracy. The diversity (31 million for God's sake!) of these intelligent participants will act as a natural check and balance against the agglomeration of power by any one clique or group. 

To entice the consumer into accepting this arrangement we offer the following guaranteed "rights" to each and every consumer. Cradle to grave entitlement to the following government services: 

  • Free Cable Television for Life. 
  • Deep tax credits for McDonalds' and Pizza Hut food purchases. 
  • Subsidized video games. 
  • Making Black Friday a National Holiday. 
  • Regional lotteries for tickets to NBA, NHL, MLB, and NFL sporting events. 
  • Free subscription to
  • Replace all public water mains with Brawndo, It's got electrolytes!
  • Pass a constitutional amendment guaranteeing the people a new reality-based TV show every season. 

among other guaranteed benefits. This should please and placate the masses sufficiently to "get them the hell out of our hair" while we get down to the business of running this country. 

I call this theory Caste System Democracy. All we ask is that the consumer pay a small 5% tax to the Body of Citizens (in addition to THEIR tax graduated tax rates) for expenses incurred in carrying out this duty of critical importance. 



Tue, 04/03/2012 - 06:45 | 2312301 Shaktipalooza
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You mean those who own their slaves free and clear?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:19 | 2309475 goldfish1
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Ain't the IQ; it's the brainwashing.

Even low IQ people can know the truth as a collective understanding.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:53 | 2309591 BorisTheBlade
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With over 40 million sitting on foodstamps, who would think they would support authority that feeds them. With huge chunk of oil coming from abroad, who would think very few would protest against constant kinetic action in brown people's lands. It's not a lack of intellect, it's a narrow-minded self-indulgence. Too bad when it comes down to payback, no one will ask whether one understood what was happening or not.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:30 | 2309519 Nothing To See Here
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IQ has little to do with it. Many high IQ people end up with PhDs conditionning them to believe that they know better than ordinary people. The current system is based on that belief. Common sense and wisdom have a higher value than IQ.

To work, democracy needs information and education. That is why the State took control early of these mechanisms, and it explains why democracy does not work.

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

"Information is the currency of democracy." - Thomas Jefferson

"If all the sources of current information are effectively under one single control, it is no longer a question of merely persuading the people of this or that. The skilled propagandist then has power to mold their minds in any direction he chooses, and even the most intelligent and independent people cannot entirely escape that influence if they are long isolated from all other sources of information." - Friedrich Hayek

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:49 | 2309576 Calmyourself
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PhD = Piled higher and Deeper..  PhD's are some of the narrowest thinkers imaginable, their expertise in one area in most cases blinds them to the gestalt of the overall situation.  Just look at the current administration staffed by the best and brightest academics, what a disaster..  My poor, poor America..

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:15 | 2311658 malek
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IQ helps, but is no guarantee for better results.

Problem nowadays is we can only guess how many high IQ elite members are emitting only complete lies, unless residing in their inner circles.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:58 | 2310117 vato poco
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Nothing new here - it's just human nature 101 at work. And for the most part, it's got nothing to do with good schooling, or IQ, or even race. Look at all the good germans crowded around The Leader trying to get a glimpse of him. Those are *Germans*, folks. People who for the most part spoke at least 3 languages, had passed through perhaps the most rigorous and comprehensive schools in the world at the time, and prided themselves on their appreciation of classical music und a good philospohical argument on the relative merits of Hegel vs. Schopenhauer. A _very_ bright and industrious people, who the Nazis had no trouble at all playing for suckers.

How'd they do it? How are the banksters doing it today? Back we go to Human Nature 101, which has but 3 lessons: 1) People LOVE the idea of something for nothing. Who doesn't love a bargain? 2) Because of this, they *want to believe* the guy who tells them he can get it for them. 3) All but the wisest and most disciplined souls will cheerfully buy the bullshit and take the path of least resistance 999 times out of 1000.

Easy-peezy. Bing Bang Boom. Now for the tough question: do each & every one of y'all jeering at 'the sheeple' really think you're that 1 guy in 1000 that Human Nature *doesn't* apply to? NONE of you bought even ONE lottery ticket last week? I did. I *knew* the odds were 176 million to 1, but I did it anyway. OK, I'm done. Junk away, but you might wanna look in the mirror first...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:37 | 2309716 Tsukato
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This artical says nothing new. For christsakes, if u wanna know how many good americans we have, just go to a local NFL, NBA, MLB game. Planet of the Apes I tell ya.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:40 | 2310418 AlvarezEarnestine7
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my best friend's sister makes $63/hr on the computer. She has been out of work for eight months but last month her pay was $18250 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read more on this site...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 16:13 | 2310574 akak
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How ironic, as MY best friend's brother makes $63/hour as an assassin of online spammers.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:38 | 2309348 WonderDawg
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That's a rather incomplete summary. You forgot the most disturbing element: seeing the ugly truth and then rationalizing it into acceptance.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:22 | 2309493 goldfish1
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Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:34 | 2309878 LowProfile
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Alcohol and drugs help.  A practiced alcoholic/addict can rationalize practically anything.

Until of course, it all collapses around them.

Hmm...  Where have I heard this theme before, in a slightly different context...  Hmm...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:47 | 2309361 economics9698
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Venezuela, Columbia, Mexico, Spain, Portugal, all of Africa.



Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:29 | 2310224 Paul Bogdanich
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That picture was worth more than the article.  Hitler passed scrutiny face to face with the men.  With the sole exception of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin I am unfamiliar with a current member of the ruling elite that could do the same.  So what I see is that Nazi Germans weren't so  much slaves as they were participants because the elite system of the time wasn't working for them.  They believed in the guy and indeed made some good progress for a time before the megalomania became exacerbated and the situation spun pout of control.  

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:14 | 2310359 Freddie
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TV is for morons who support the elites/ their overlords.  If you watch then you are supporting them and putting money in their pockets.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:25 | 2309311 SheepDog-One
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The big picture here is humans are pretty much screwed, the vast majority of people love their slavery, theres no waking up the people they'll just fight you harder. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:31 | 2309335 i-dog
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Spot on. "Hush now, lest tha massa hear ya!!"

It's not TPTB one needs to fear, it's one's fellow slaves! They'll tear you apart if they think your outspokenness will cause them trouble.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:07 | 2309439 Moneyswirth
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the vast majority of people love their slavery...

For the win....

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:25 | 2309504 goldfish1
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The juniors are waking up...

Young adults and teenagers see the farce...don't want to work, participate etc...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:41 | 2310420 Barbarians_R_Us
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Yes...and no. They seem to be waking up, yet take away their iCrap device and see how fast they throw a tantrum, become bored to death, or just plain don't have a clue what to do with themselves. They want "freedom" long as it contains an iTune account.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 16:30 | 2310588 akak
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iAddiction, or iSlavery?

Or both?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:14 | 2309456 Oh regional Indian
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See something? 


At least that looks like the future, given the Tryvnon (sp) Martin case.

Gun Owners please note.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:15 | 2309820 Tsukato
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Fuck Tryvnon Martin! If you coolies love the blacks so much, why not ship em back to inja and build up your untouchable population?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:25 | 2309849 SheepDog-One
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Theres hundreds of blacks killed every month by other blacks in drug dealing and gang banging, OH but Im supposed to believe THIS one case is the last straw, because the white 'actually hispanic' guy shot a black hoodlum who was kicked out of school for violence and drugs. 

Huge 'whatever'.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:45 | 2309886 Tsukato
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I'm sick to death of foreigners complaining about the raw deal blacks get in america. Here in China, that shit doesn't fly. They know what blacks are like, and they don't like them at all. They don't treat them well when they are here, and try to constantly clean out their ghettos in Guangzhou, and send them out of China. Bravo I say! If ORI is so tight with the poor, repressed black man, he's actually a liar who never lived in america, or else, he was mindfukt while there. As for myself, I too could give a rat's ass about some slack-jawed, low IQ, fucknut, that looks like a kind of small gorilla, getting gunned down. I know american blacks well enough to know that he surely had it coming. Its a shame the elites of america past, didn't have the foresight to not import the world's most worthless simian. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 15:47 | 2310453 Colonial Intent
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Tsukato, you're just some racist who cant tie his laces.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 16:36 | 2310665 akak
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Behold enlightened Chinese citizenism!

Or is Trav7777 back?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 17:26 | 2310867 Sokhmate
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I might be a coolie, not that I intentionally identify with anything, but when it comes to color, dark booty has a distinct advantage. In the least, the rim/butt color contrast is easier on the eyes.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:20 | 2309482 duffelpud
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Spot on!  I have solid, family-oriented, church-going friends who also work for the state-operated school system here in Texas and, as such, are members of the teachers union.  All is well until you begin to question voting for school bond issues for new football stadiums or questioning the wisdom of throwing increasing amounts of money at a broken school system that continues to spiral downward or the prospect of reforming it.  It's at that point I see a veil descend over their eyes and the knives come out - they are against any and all changes that might alter the course of their slow march to publicly funded retirement.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:27 | 2309510 goldfish1
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In our small town, the teachers, admin and families et al of the school system voted in the new schools and the new levies...THEY (gubmint workers and their fams) are in the majority now.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:45 | 2309913 LowProfile
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Hey, it worked for the USSR, right?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:57 | 2310328 ATM
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If you see something....say something.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:12 | 2309453 HamFistedIdiot
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My neighbors haven't worked in 8 years. The guy and his wife are on disability due to depression or some other mental illness. They make about $1000 per month each, a check straight from the government for doing nothing. To me these two are both quite intelligent, but their problem is laziness. Both do lots of odd jobs under the table for other people in the area. When the guy, myself, and a fellow from Romania were doing some work together recently, I commented approvingly of how the Romanians handled Nicoloe and Elena Ceausescu, and how similar cheats and tyrants here in the US -- rather than being executed -- are again elected or given $100s of billions of dollars. The Welfare guy reacted viscerally: "Our government isn't like that. We've got good people running the US." Getting something for nothing obviously presents a conflict of interest for this guy. I recall an interview with Porter Stansberry -- whose services I don't recommend -- on the Alex Jones show where he said people should get one vote for every dollar in taxes they pay. The gist of that makes sense to me. There are too many special interests feeding at the federal trough these days. Let the mentally disabled get aid from the Catholic church or other charitable group. The government should not be the go-to group to provide charity.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:29 | 2309515 goldfish1
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but their problem is laziness. Both do lots of odd jobs under the table for other people in the area.

Doesn't sound lazy...sounds like they're working the system.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:37 | 2309536 crawldaddy
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or could it be just some people who need a little help.  Gasp..couldnt be that now could it.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:48 | 2309577 trembo slice
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Or it could be people that think they are "better than" meager living accomodations and refuse to pick up an extra shitty job.  Any able-bodied individual, male or female, should be able to take care of themselves.  I know policies have destroyed the job market, but, shit, live within your means. 

Change your lifestyle if necessary, and refuse to live off your fellow man. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:01 | 2309616 goldfish1
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refuse to pick up an extra shitty job

Nothing wrong with that.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:36 | 2309537 crawldaddy
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or could it be just some people who need a little help.  Gasp..couldnt be that now could it.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:45 | 2309737 Tsukato
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You're a fullblown fuckin retard. People like you should really be shot. Here in China you don't see too many folks crying about depression, carpel tunnel, epstein-barr, or any of those other "ailments" keeping them from laboring. You fucking americans deserve whats coming to you. I laugh heartily at your demise! Eat shit losers!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:18 | 2309995 zuuma
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Math challanged, as well.

I read:  "They make about $1000 per month each..."

That would be $24,000/ year - tax free.  Not a mere  $12k.

Plus - as "disabled x 2" - Food stamps, energy assistance, medicaid, free cell phone, internet, etc.

Don't forget all the cash side jobs. No income tax. FICA, State, etc. coming in off that as an offset.

So the "neighbors on disability are costing more like $50,000/ yr. to the taxpaying suckers.


I doubt they're buying PMs or saving any $$$, either.  When the feeding tubes are withdrawn in the big reset, they'll starve in a hurry.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:36 | 2309530 crawldaddy
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oh please, you are being played, your mindset IS the problem.  Your neighbor rightly or wrongly getting a whole whopping 12k a year from the govt isnt the problem. ALL the "welfare" payout to citizens in this country is a tiny tiny fraction of the welfare the rich and corps get.  Stop being mindfucked and wake up.

The guy in the hoodie stealing a few bucks isnt the problem. Its the guy in the armanni suit stealing BILLIONS that is the problem.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:40 | 2309547 Oh regional Indian
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Well Said.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:49 | 2309925 LowProfile
Mon, 04/02/2012 - 19:17 | 2311226 Gohn Galt
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Give ORI a break.  Good points on the slave mentality in the article, I agree with the behavioral profile.  However, this seams to be a culling.  In 1340's all debt was held by Venice with the derivatives out of Florence.  When the English King wanted to take his banking back there was a snap-back of 100 year war, malnutrition, plague.  90% died in major cities, no joke. 

This time it is malnutrition, oxygen deprivation mixed with pollutants and radiation.  There is a way out and to survive but you must understand how to manage and take of these basic needs close to home.  

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:44 | 2309561 HamFistedIdiot
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It's not about the amount of money he's getting. I know the bankers/insiders get infinitely more. The problem is the mindset of identifying with one's oppressor that is the issue. This guy won't challenge his government because he views the US gov as a philanthropic organization, conveniently overlooking the police state and imperium that lies beneath the surface. IMO the $1000 per month is no better than hush money. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:51 | 2309933 LowProfile
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It's worse than hush money, it's a cut of the take.

The small thieves vote in the ones who allow the big thieves.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:32 | 2309604 Dr. Engali
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Your mind set is wrong. I don't care who is doing the stealing. It is wrong period. Once you say it's airight under certain circumstances then somebody else will make a case it is right under another circumstance. It's wrong period.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:43 | 2309731 goldfish1
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 Why is stealing wrong? Becasue we have the power to create ANYTHING in our life. Denying our god-power and stealing instead is what's wrong.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:05 | 2309625 Astrolabe
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can anybody give a realistic ballpark figure re: welfare for the bottom vs. welfare for the top?

thank you for the comment, crawldaddy. it seems to me a definitive fact based answer to this question would be EXTREMELY important to this discussion, especially given the way the plebes are divided and conquered along right / left lines. what is the answer? can anyone ballpark it based on something real? it seems to me this is an obvious hole in the record. someone needs to plug it!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:06 | 2309626 Astrolabe
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can anybody give a realistic ballpark figure re: welfare for the bottom vs. welfare for the top?

thank you for the comment, crawldaddy. it seems to me a definitive fact based answer to this question would be EXTREMELY important to this discussion, especially given the way the plebes are divided and conquered along right / left lines. what is the answer? can anyone ballpark it based on something real? it seems to me this is an obvious hole in the record. someone needs to plug it!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:52 | 2309755 marathonman
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The guy in the Armani suit is the slave owner.  His slaves are the middle class.  The poor are the vehicle for taking the wealth of the middle class.  When it comes down to votes, the unproductive know where their bread is buttered.  They have been trained that to get what they want, they got to help the guy in the Armani suit take the wealth of the middle and upper middle class and redistribute some to the unproductive.  Don't matter if he takes a "little extra" for himself.  In their view he deserves it.  He's the good guy. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:48 | 2309921 LowProfile
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oh please, you are being played, your mindset IS the problem. Your neighbor rightly or wrongly getting a whole whopping 12k a year from the govt isnt the problem. ALL the "welfare" payout to citizens in this country is a tiny tiny fraction of the welfare the rich and corps get. Stop being mindfucked and wake up.

You have been played.

The small thieves?  They vote in the ones who allow the big thieves, in exchange for a few sheckles.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:56 | 2309599 lazarus
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If "one vote for every dollar in taxes they pay" makes sense to you, you'd get the plutocracy you deserve.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:44 | 2309831 Revert_Back_to_...
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Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:37 | 2309659 Revert_Back_to_...
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Judge not, lest you be judged.  Might I suggest that your neighbors really do have health and spirtual problems.  Perhaps their liberty has been stolen away.  What is your profession?

Before 1913, the USA made 50 percent of the worlds goods and there was NO tax on labor. Federal govenment had a surplus so large in the treasury that it was an embarassment and a temptation.   We had so much gold and silver coin in circulation, it was almost counted as nothing. Until the 1965 Coinage Act, all currency - every dollar - was redeemable for silver coin - (dimes, quarters, half dollars) at any bank.  It was this way for 170+ years.  When you have real wealth in circulation as money, you have prosperity.  That can never be with paper (credit) money based on human debts and obligations.   In our current system, a dollar going overseas for goods creates a dollar of debt.  In the old system, a dollar of silver (trade dollar) was just an even trade.  Goods for silver.  Think about it. 

Might I suggest that we have made a couple wrong turns along the way?  You should look back a few years at a couple decisions we have made along the way.

Johnson's remarks at the signing of the 1965 Coinage Act

Nixon speaking about the ending of Bretton Woods

Now lets go way back to 1933. What exactly did cause that great depression?  Could it have been the removal of about half of our wealth (gold coin specie) from circulation?

The whole machinations of Bretton Woods was in order to revalue gold against the dollar.  The people who wrote the Constitution had an idea in mind for that. It was all written down in our books that no one bothered to read.   The government could have just reminted smaller gold coins. "Eagles" is the correct term.  "Dollar" is defined in the 1792 Coinage Act as a measure of silver.    People would have gladly and freely turned in their old eagle coins at the mint because they would have gotten more of the new smaller gold coins and more purchasing power in terms of silver.  It is amazing when you understand the wisdom and simplicity of the original Constitutional system.  "To Coin Money and Regulate the Value Thereof".  They chose their words very carefully in that contract.

They could have reined in the Federal Reserve System and Stopped allowing their private paper bank notes to be obligations that could be redeemed against the wealth of the American People.  Go find you a series 1914 note and read the fine print on the back.


You can have Liberty, Prosperity and Charity under limited government and property rights that was originally laid out in this nation


you can have Depression, Poverty, and Welfare.

You Pick.  It sounds like you are in control. 

P.S. In Nazi Germany, some of the first people to go to the camps were the sick and disabled.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:58 | 2309772 Tsukato
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Fucking Moron! The biggest losers I've encountered in my life always had some hangup with judging/being judged. Its the craziest thing I've heard, and heard repeatedly. Don't worry about being judged if you're really a person of principle and conviction, I have always said in response.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:15 | 2309814 Revert_Back_to_...
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I have found it to be an almost universal truth that when someone sits in judgement of someone else, they are themselves guilty of that exact same thing.

You speak of principle and conviction.  Perhaps it takes a man (or a nation) some time to get to that point and repent of the evil things he has done. 

Wisdom is justified of her children.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:24 | 2309844 Tsukato
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Sorry for my rude comment, just playin. However, all humans have an innate sense of right and wrong. We are all born with it. I've done wrong in my life, of course, but never try to shirk the fact that what I did was premeditated "wrong". I try to always live in the correct way, and have no regrets or guilt. This is actually for self preservation. Wrong actions, or lack of principals for living, will bring bad karma/mojo in the future without a doubt.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:42 | 2309899 Revert_Back_to_...
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No problem.  I just want things to be right in this nation (and the world) again.  All of the answers are there in the history books.  I think we need to forgive each other more than anything else.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:25 | 2309845 Revert_Back_to_...
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P.S.S. Someday, every person reading this post will probably be either old, sick and disabled or probably some combination of all three.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 22:22 | 2311683 malek
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And how do you put into context the Liberal-in-name-only relativism crowd, who managed to make almost all opinions to be equally worthy, "out of fairness."
But if everything is worth the same, everything becomes worthless.

Maybe some judging would be helpful there?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:59 | 2309612 HellFish
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Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded -- here and there, now and then -- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

This is known as "bad luck."

- Heinlein

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:24 | 2309314 nah
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wonder how many of those guys had to ask themselves


which way is germany

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:24 | 2309315 Rockfish
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Can anyone recall through out history a more informend and better armed population then we americans?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:30 | 2309330 GMadScientist
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I'd be hard-pressed to find a less informed population in history, but you're right on the armed part.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:48 | 2309383 economics9698
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1890s America.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:35 | 2309340 GOSPLAN HERO
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Americans are well informed about American Idol and Dancing with the Stars.

... otherwise, they are dummies.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:46 | 2309376 francis_sawyer
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"STOCKhol(de)m Syndrome"

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:37 | 2309541 rufusbird
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ie. "The Stockholder Syndrome" There, fixed it for ya...

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:37 | 2309534 rufusbird
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This is so true. I took a short ride with a very busy and successful Real Estate agent last week and he had no idea what a CDO or a Credit Default Swap was. Had no clue about the Eruopean financial crisis etc.


Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:52 | 2309588 Calmyourself
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Most RE agents are popularity contest winners not rocket scientists..  Most are frankly idiots, but they can tell you who has money and who's dick to suck.. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:41 | 2309351 SheepDog-One
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A very few % are probably the most well informed people ever, problem is over 90% are total Neandersheeple moron-orc slaves, and they like it just fine that way.

Believe me, at one time 4 years ago I actually thought surely THIS outrage of saving the banksters would finally wake people up. But no, they were right back to borrowing and consuming junk they dont need. Hopeless.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:25 | 2309503 CH1
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Time for that very few % to exit the playing field.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:49 | 2309580 SheepDog-One
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Agreed! Let the fuktards have it, I'm out!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:12 | 2309804 Tsukato
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Haha, I know juuust what you mean! America has become such a huge joke of a society. People bitch about eugenics, and despise talk of getting rid of the useless eaters, but I'm tellin ya, I see nothing wrong with these ideas. Americans, despite having access to amazing amounts of information, have regressed to a step above apes. Actually here in China, we have a massive peasent problem as you are all aware. Amazing how fucking retarded and worthless these folks are. However, america is packed with the same people, albeit cleaner (not counting STDs), and with better dental hygiene.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:40 | 2309355 mayhem_korner
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More informed or more exposed to whatever the high-speed social media puts out there?  What is missing is discernment.  And an undiscerning nation that is well armed is a tinderbox if ever there was one.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 09:43 | 2309358 SheepDog-One
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Their last hurdle here is figuring out how to collect up all those pesky firearms from the people. This Trayvon Martin story was designed to help that along, its nothing more, they dont care about some black kid at all they want guns confiscated.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:39 | 2309546 crawldaddy
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stop being so paranoid, that story is not about guns at all, its about justice.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:54 | 2309593 SheepDog-One
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'Its about JUSTICE' LMAO OHHHH right the media and even Obama glommed onto this ONE story, which happens all over america EVERY DAY, in their 'quest for justice'....OMFG youre a moron-orc, big time!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:38 | 2309718's picture

The Martin case is already being used to undermine the individual  right of self defense. That is one reason why it is important that Zimmerman be charged and tried for the killing of Martin. As long as the politicians and media can use this story to divide people over race the more likely the future circumscription of the individual right to self defense becomes.


Will Grigg described the situation clearly and succinctly in this article:

According to ABC News, “The Sanford Police Department says it stands by its investigation, and that it was not race or incompetence that prevented it from arresting Zimmerman but the law.” Under the terms of the Florida state statutes, however, Zimmerman committed an act of criminal homicide, not justified self-defense. Yet the civilian disarmament lobby – most likely working in collaboration with police unions – moved quickly to implicate the “Stand Your Ground” law in the killing.


 Police unions, the civilian disarmament lobby, and the state-centric media all subscribe to the idea that the government should have a monopoly on the use of force. This is why they oppose “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine” laws recognizing the individual right to armed self-defense.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:28 | 2309858 SheepDog-One
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True in that aspect as well, its being used to make the case that you have no right to arm yourself or defend yourself!

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:47 | 2309917's picture

Exactly. The original intent of the "Stand Your Ground" law is being perverted in order to justify the lack of charges against Zimmerman. Even the bill's author says that it does not justify Zimmerman's shooting of Martin:

Author of "stand your ground" law: George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for killing Trayvon Martin


"He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told the newspaper..."The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."


The misapplication of this good law is already being used by people like Joe Biden to undermine the legitimate use of self defense. Only by looking objectively at the facts and asking that justice be pursued in accordance with the rule of law can the manipulators on every side of this issue be denied their expected profits from this case.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:09 | 2309972 XitSam
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IMHO, a guilty verdict will only "prove" racism even without evidence of racism, inflaming the masses.  A not guilty verdict will "prove" there is no justice from a racist system, again inflaming the masses.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:16 | 2309985's picture

Justice for an individual should not be made dependent on any expected reaction of "the masses."

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:45 | 2309565 Dr. Engali
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In my view the Trayvon Marin story has a deeper purpose. The illusion of gun control is just a distraction. The real purpose is to pit us against each other. It's much easier for TPTB if we use our guns to kill each other off.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 10:56 | 2309600 SheepDog-One
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Well sure theres that too, anytime TPTB gets in trouble they know they can always rile up racial troubles, same old shit...lets see how good their plans to get us all to kill each other off for them works out. I think its already a fail. Anyone with a brain can see its all hyped up they might start some riots when the prosecutor down there says theres no case going forward. We'll see how that works out. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:44 | 2309734's picture

At what point does media hype negate the right of the Martin family to see their son's killer brought to justice?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:50 | 2309751 Dr. Engali
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At what point in time do you stop automatically  assumming that Zimmerman is guilty based on the media hype? How about waiting to find out for sure if the man is guilty? It's been my experience when it comes to the media that there is always more to the story.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 11:57 | 2309763's picture

Why do you jump to the conclusion that I am parroting media hype? I have spent hours reviewing 911 audio, witness accounts and Zimmerman's own story. If you believe that there are no relevant facts to consider perhaps it is because you have no comprehension of events  beyond what you have been told by talking heads.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:05 | 2309790 Dr. Engali
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So you have reviewed everything and that makes you the decider and chief. Last I remembered there is a such thing as due proccess in this country. As screwed up as it has become some of us still believe in the concept. When you have the media presenting Zimmerman as a mean looking "white hsipanic" and presenting Martin as a clean cut innocent youth,overlooking his more recent behavior ,then that tells me I need to be suspicious of what I am being fed. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:12 | 2309803's picture

Are you suggesting that by voicing my informed opinion on an Internet forum I am impeding due process? That doesn't sound reasonable.

You are right to question the information presented by the media in this or any other case. But the proper course of action is not to simply side with those media figures who confirm your own bias. You would be well served to research the available facts for yourself.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:21 | 2309838 Dr. Engali
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I am suggesting that  by making the following statement:

"At what point does media hype negate the right of the Martin family to see their son's killer brought to justice?"

you have already made yourself judge,jury and executioner. I myself am not siding with anybody. I prefer to wait for all the facts to come out. If Zimmerman is guilty then he needs to be held accountable, but if there is more to the story then the man desrves the time for the truth to unfold. He doesn't deserve a trial by the mob, which is what he is getting now.



Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:28 | 2309861's picture

How does my suggestion that enough evidence exists to try Zimmerman before a jury of his peers equate with acting as a judge, jury and executioner? Your statement is hyperbolic at best.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:42 | 2309897 Watauga
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None of us knows the evidence well enough to make a judgment.  I am sitting 800 miles away.  You may be 300 miles away.  We are not the police investigators, nor the prosecutors.  We did not study the evidence. 

The proper authorities investigated and chose not to prosecute.  CNN and other Statist lap-dog media outlets chose to stoke the fire into a firestorm, and, as extremely large and powerful media lapdogs, they were successful.  This brought in the racist cadre of the Statist parties to shout about justice.  These clowns would be laughed out of any reasonable nation, but in this nation are put on a pedastal and allowed to lie, deceive, and manipulate their way to bringing about as much evil as can be brought about in the name of justice.  The result, as is so often the case nowadays, is that the State level authorities are forced into intervening into a case they have no business in, and the Federal machine will, regardless, chew up Zimmerman and spit him out because that machine is on auto-pilot (i.e., if the racists among the Statists tell it to go do its business, that is what it does).

Justice was served--A community, UNDER THE RULE OF LAW, took the actions it deemed appropriate.  If the police or the prosecutor made a mistake, the voters can get rid of them in the next election.  If the Martin's want a different outcome, they can sue for monetary damages.  But in no case does either the State or Federal governments have business changing the outcome simply to placate the loudest wing of the Statists.  And, even we concede that further intervention is needed, the State, not the Federal Leviathan, would have that power.

And I don't have to have examined a single piece of evidence to KNOW the righteousness of this view.  It just is.   

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:53 | 2309938's picture

There is no rule that says that charges must be filed on the day of the incident. More evidence has come to light since the police decided to let Zimmerman go on the night of the shooting.

The community is in the process of investigating this case further and it is all according to the rule of law. Why would you stand in their way?

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 13:52 | 2310096 Watauga
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I have no problem with the community doing what is supposed to do under the Rule of Law.  Unfortunately, that is not what is happening here.  Proper procedures, investigation, and prosecutorial decisions were completed.  A Grand Jury was not convened.  ONLY after the MOB attacked en masse was there "further investigation" required.  You see, the Rule of Law was overruled by the MOB.  Is that the sort of society we want to live in?  Where the loudest, least rationale, most emotional, most violent tendencies rise to the top to win out?

Because the case is within the Statute of Limitations, I would have no problem with the local community revisiting the issue anytime new evidence presents itself.  My complaint is that the community is doing "further investigation" solely because of MOB Rule pressure brought by the racist wing of the Statist parties.  They have created a crisis out of nothing, and we all know "a good crisis is a terrible thing to waste."  So waste it they won't.  They are using this to:

1. Attack the 2nd Amendment, from gun ownership to concealed carry;

2. Attack Neighborhood Watches;

3. Promote their race-hatred disguised as justice.

My view is that nearl 100% of the media-driven, racist-fomented, outside fire-stoking pure, unadulterated evil designed to promote individual power through identity politics of the very worst kind.

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:07 | 2310145's picture

The rule of law permits citizens to question government when government fails in its obligations:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."



Mon, 04/02/2012 - 14:52 | 2310315 Watauga
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Crock--What the Hell are you talking about?  Nothing of what I said has anything to do with the 1st Amendment.  A MOB does not have to literally hold guns and knives to the throats of victims it is about to lynch.  Just ask Robert Bork.  Or Clarence Thomas.  The Statist MOB simply imposes its will "by any means necessary."  As the Statist-in-Chief would say, "If you bring a knife to the fight, we'll bring a gun."  But they are just as happy to lie and deceive their way in the imposition of their will.  Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Nancy Pelosi, Obama, Harry Reid, nearly the entirely of the mainstream media, nearly the entirety of mainstream academia--"whatever it takes" to impose the will of THEIR STATE upon the people. 

Seriously, is your mind so twisted that you honestly see a 1st Amendment assault in any of our posts?

As for questioning the State, I am all for it.  The KEY that you are missing in all of this is that it is a Hell of alot easier and effective to know and question the local authority than it is to know and question State authority, and it is a Hell of alot easier and effective to know and question State authority than it is to know and question Federal authority.  By inviting in the MOB, YOU are promoting the imposition of Federal Power and Will upon a local matter.  If you dont' know it by now, perhaps you never will, but Federal authority is NOT your friend.  Invite it in and, like your mother-in-law, it may never leave.  Question all you want, but don't pretend that inviting Federal power and the MOB into this local matter has anything to do with "questioning authority" or, for goodness sake's, the 1st Amendment right of peaceable assembly.  GET REAL. 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 18:01 | 2311021's picture

Please provide documentation showing a MOB!!! holding a gun to the head of the government of Florida. Meanwhile continue to ignore the very real gun which Zimmerman used to gun down Martin.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 06:34 | 2312292 Watauga
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Good grief.  You cannot be serious.  I have tried to help you, but you are in that category of unfortunate souls described as "blind."

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 06:59 | 2312307 Frankie Carbone
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Crockett, you're now being obtuse, which is the first sign that you have lost control of the argument and are now slinging anything that'll stick. 

Normally when someone cannot rebutt a counterpoint, a person, - a gentlemen - will respond with "point taken", and move on. Do you think that resorting to silliness in your argument is going to have any effect, other than soothing your own cognitive bias demons that appear to me to be haunting you right now? 

Mon, 04/02/2012 - 12:45 | 2309911 Dr. Engali
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Because you are suggesting that he should be brought to justice based on the information available to you. You are assuming you have all the information available and you have already passed judgement.

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