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Guest Post: Unseemly Scramble For Libya’s Post-Gaddafi Oil Assets Underway
Submitted by John C.K. Daly
Unseemly Scramble for Libya’s Post-Gaddafi Oil Assets Underway
While NATO members, led by France, piously proclaimed at the onset of their military offensive in Libya that their concerns were solely humanitarian, a covert tussle to gain a commanding lead in developing the country’s energy riches in light of Colonel Gaddafi’s departure is well underway.
The Libyan economy depends primarily upon revenues from the oil sector, which contribute about 95 percent of export earnings, 25 percent of GDP, and 80 percent of government revenue.
Prior to the outbreak of conflict, Libya was exporting about 1.3-1.4 million barrels per day from production estimated at roughly 1.79 million barrels per day, of which approximately 280,000 barrels per day were indigenously consumed. But analysts believe that with reconstruction Libya could soon be exporting 1.6 million barrels per day of high-quality, light crude.
But current production is the proverbial mere drop in the bucket. Libya has the largest proven oil reserves in Africa with 42 billion barrels of oil and over 1.3 trillion cubic meters of natural gas. Causing oil company executives from Houston to Beijing to drool on their Gucci loafers, only 25 percent of Libya’s territory has been explored to date for hydrocarbons.
Libya is already Europe’s single largest oil supplier, the second largest oil producer in Africa and the continent’s fourth largest natural gas supplier and already dominates the Southern Mediterranean’s petroleum sector. According to the Libyan National Oil Corporation (NOC), more than 50 international oil companies are already present in the Libyan market.
So, peering into Libya’s future, who’s actually ahead?
France, apparently.
On 3 April a letter was allegedly sent by Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) to a coalition partner, Qatari Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, which mentioned that France would take "35 percent of crude oil...in exchange for its total and permanent support" of the NTC. France’s Liberation daily reported on Thursday that it had a copy of the letter, which stated that the NTC’s Information Minister Mahmoud Shammam, would negotiate the deal with France. In 2010 France was the second purchaser of Libyan oil after Italy, with over 15 percent of its “black gold” imported from Tripoli.
Zut alors!
The number one National Transition Council, Moustapha Abdeljalil recently reported that the States would be rewarded" according to support "given to the insurgents.
While NTC head Mustafa Abdel Jalil has not hidden the fact that the NTC would assign a higher priority for reconstruction and the allocation of oil contracts to countries that supported their uprising, remarking that nations would be rewarded "according to the support" given to the insurgents, the NTC’s UK representative, Guma al-Gamaty, said that future oil contracts would be granted "on the basis of merit, not patronage. The contracts will be concluded in a transparent manner. "
French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe solemnly denied during a radio interview any knowledge of a "formal" or specific deal but brightly added that it would be "logical" for countries like France, which helped the NTC in its struggle against Gaddafi, to take part in reconstruction.
French President Nicholas Sarkozy was the major European advocate for armed intervention in Libya and his administration was the first officially to recognize the NTC as "the sole, legitimate representative of the Libyan people" and the country’s sole governmental authority, as well as lobbying other nations to recognize the NTC.
Seeking a share of “la gloire,” France was also the first state to commence attacks on 19 March against Gaddafi’s armed forces in Benghazi and along with fellow NATO member Britain, have since provided the majority of the military equipment and personnel used during NATO’s operations in Libya. Going into grey areas of international law in its eagerness to oust Gaddafi France also supplied some weaponry to opposition forces in Libya, a move that came under harsh criticism because of the total arms embargo imposed by the UN Security Council on arms deliveries to any side in the conflict.
NTC’s Paris-based envoy Mansour Sayf al-Nasr denied that such a letter had been sent or that any such pledge had been given. But no one was backpedalling more furiously than Information Minister Shammam, who intoned that such an arrangement was unthinkable.
“It's a joke. It's false,” Shammam said.
Well, if you cannot believe an Information Minister, who can you trust? Sleazy journalists? It will certainly be interesting to see how the issue plays out in the days ahead, and if France does indeed get it 35 percent cut of the loot, which at present production rates, would average about 500,000 barrels per day.
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What?
This wasn't about Oil or Gold... It was about freedom.
<sarc>
Actually, it's as much if not more about the water.
Heard of the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer? World's largest Fossil Water Aquifer.
Wrote about it not 20 minutes ago.
This Libya thing is much deeper than anything obvious and on th esurface, literally and figuratively.
V
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/water-branding-and-thoughts/
Makes me happy I hit an artesian well a few years back. All the time/effort in stacking, freshwater may be the real commodity.
Indeed. Keep in on the quiet though. If in the Us, gubbermint owns it. ;-)
V
There isnt any "may" to it..It will be the commodity of the future..
Well American Water Works (AWK) is the best performing equity in my portfolio (aside from PM). Sure it's a utility, but damn its solid.
Invest in desalination membranes and live near the ocean, a salt lake or the salton sea.
95% of libya's export earnings is oil. PIIGS import tons of oil from Libya. This is for Euro bailout.
% of total crude import from Libya:
Austria 21.2%
France 15.7%
Germany 7.7%
Greece 14.6%
Ireland 23.3%
Italy 22.0%
Netherlands 2.3%
Portugal11.1%
Spain 12.1%
Switzerland 18.7%
United Kingdom 8.5%
United States 0.5%
http://www.iea.org/files/facts_libya.pdf
Sure, what is actually delivered is all that matters.
RECONSTRUCTION
Isn't that where the tax payers are sold a bunch of lies in order to justify the wasting of their resources in the destruction of a whole lot of real estate and infrastructure for the benefit of the kleptocrats and then the tax payers are sold a bunch of lies in order to justify the wasting of their resources to rebuild that which was destroyed for the benefit of the kleptocrats?
Makes you wonder why the US ever got involved at all
because we all tied together..why do we continue to bailout foreign banks? why did the rebels stop in the middle of a civil war to setup a central bank?
1 To get 30,000 to 50,000 Chinese engineers etc. out of Libya.
2 US "owes" Europe for participating in the coalitions in Afghanistan and Iraq - against EU self-interest.
3 US' Middle- & Far-East wars are to secure USD hegemony from replacement by EUR.
4 UK is US proxy and conduit in all EU continental interests.
5 US maintains Big Brother status over Europe by thus "gracefully" lending EU some small muscle.
6 EU will "reward" US with some extended "submissiveness" - i.e. support USD hegemony for yet a while.
Give & Take - Fair Exchange - or some proximity thereof.
Business, Bitchez!
Lemme guess...... Syrian oil reserves are about ZERO? I guess they could be thankful for that small favor.
Or the ivory coast..
Actaully Rock, Syria produces about 300,000 bpd.... none for export though..
I think that much is burned on the Dallas freeways 7-9AM on Fridays?
What syria has doesn't matter. What it doesn't have is what matters. It doesn't have a rothchids controlled central bank.
Err, I think the figures for UK and France are maybe outdated?
Under the Surface. Like that underground volcano that is getting louder and louder with every passing day, ORI. Hundreds of little earthquakes (4.0) in the recent months and magma is rising, a volcano that was long forgotten, slept for over 300.000 years. Local people are alarmed, scientists are surprised of the amounts of Helium-3 (never seen before in such amounts in Central Europe - comparable to the volcano Aetna)
That would be the ultimate black swan. Ha! But scientists say it could take thousands of years. According to local people there, it seems to speed up lately though...louder and stronger...
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/0,1518,784468,00.html
Fascinating PY. Thanks for the link. The picture tells the story.
looks like a lot of long buried stuff is coming to surface now, eh? Facinating times.
V
But how does France exploit that water? I'm not sure I understand how that would work.
Can you foresee a world where water is the new oil? Think _____ tankers, _____ pipelines, _____ wars..... like that. Plus, France is not the sole victor, not by a long shot and even victory si not yet a done deal. This is more like the Baby Bush on A carrier shamelessly saing mission accomplished.
Propaganda.
V
If the US is really thinking about water this far in advance, why would they allow fracking and the poisoning of our own water supply? I think it's more about oil than water.
There are multiple angles to it, no? The US has a strategic presence in the ME for Oil? Similarly.... Control is as important as usage, right? Geopolitically anyways?
And this is elite water...underground aquifer, pure. And the Good Colnel had all the pumps and pipelines in place already to "mine" the aquifer anyways. It's what was feeding the greening of Libya.
V
The ancient Roman province of Africa (littoral area of Tunisia and Libya) was the "breadbasket" of ancient Rome. When the Vandals seized this area, the Roman Empire was doomed. I still prefer the oil angle however. Occam's Razor.
All this talk of moving all this water around by pipeline and boat is bullshit. If the oil is gone, what are you using as FUEL to generate the ENERGY to move the water? I irregate, moving water around is expensive, even when you are moving it out of your own aquifers and cisterns. Come on ORI, you can do better. The price paid on both will rise simutaneously.
Laws Of P, I suggest you google and study up one Viktor Schauberger! :-)
He pretty much broke all th elasws of physics, with Water!
V
This is the century of potable water. China has lakes that are yellow in appearance oozing yellow gas. At some point people will take notice. (It's not linked to industrial factories.)
what is it linked to?
cyanobacterial blooms...
aka algae. is that yellow gas some type of nitrogen gas you think?
@ ORI 16:19
L0L!!! 20 minutes ago? i've been writing about the water play since april. given all the pieces i've written, and articles and maps (yes the water maps) and the recent post( after "we're in tripoli") & link to the "european" water development plan~~nice to see you're paying attention, especially after you "agreed" with my "silver looks stronger than gold" here, today, also something i've been posting for several weeks, along w/ charts showing the "base" in silver and why gold, by comparison, looks "tired"; again, acting like it's "ORI's" original thinking, after i stood up to tyler's GOLD! call with it. not you. slewie
i'm flattered, but this is ridiculous!
again. when are you gonna tell us what the fascists are doing in india? how they're organized? who they control? what their plans are?
carry on, but maybe give credit where credit is due? very few here except your "fans" will fail to understand exactly what i'm talking about, b/c many zHeads have read my developed ideas & theses here, dude
"This Libya thing is much deeper than anything obvious and on th esurface, literally and figuratively." dude, this is in its 7th month! and, they still haven't gotten to the moQ, have they? where tf you been, boy?
we may be on the cusp of a counter-revolution, as the Transitional Council continues to "threaten" the moQ's tribal strongholds. then, maybe after a few weeks of it (i hope!), you can inform everyone what is "really happening" abt that, too... can't wait! who knows? maybe i'll have "guessed right" again?
i'm glad you're getting more real, but you those are my shoulders you're standing on, here, swami salami vivekananananananaduh... and i'm pretty sure you must know it, too! oh, well, it's better than your usual self-advertiZing pablum and psuedo-spiritual bullshit!
good for you! thanks for the "flattering" ideas; mine, originally. if you have some original ideas which aren't crap, i'll give you credit, as i did when you absolutely nailed the "market's fall" from 12,500+++ b/c you saw "mercury going retrograde"
one of the finest calls on zHedge in 2011, and this is not the first time i have put out how freaking great that was, ok? but the recent silver v. gold call and the libyan water call, each developed into several paras, more than once here, are pretty much zHedge slewie originals, ori. stop trying to be somebody you ain't
Neither France, nor pathetic secret US agents, wound up the GaDaffyDuck to declare that HE would wipe out the entire East Libyan population if they did not continue to suck his cock.
Ipso Est: "it" was not "just" about one "thing" - rather, it was - as life always is - about many things, one of which was freedom from the GaDaffyDuck dictatorship, and another - logically - about mutual future benefits - i.e. business - something zerohedgers and free marketeers and enlightened self-interest adherents should understand far more thouroughly than the average citizen knucklehead.
Whom enlightened, does not appreciate tangible thanks from those helped out from under a rock?
Business, Bitchez!
Dont forget the freedom to round up people based on their skin colour and carry out an ethnical cleansing under the guise of humanitarian concern.
That is US citizenism.
No differences between Europeans and US citizens relatively to US citizenism. Both love it, both breath it, both live by it.
Libya has the largest proven oil reserves in Africa with 42 billion barrels of oil and over 1.3 trillion cubic meters of natural gas. Causing oil company executives from Houston to Beijing to drool on their Gucci loafers, only 25 percent of Libya’s territory has been explored to date for hydrocarbons.
This has to be a LIE - haven't those bitchez heard of Peak Oil?
For Christ's sake, Peak does not mean it's gone, there is still lots of oil, just less and less each year.
Also the 42 billion quoted probably includes the miraculous OPEC doubling of reserves in the 1980s and refers to OOIP not what is recoverable....
YES, very good point. Middle East reserves in general are overstated by a likely 30-40%. Alot of oil but it doesn't save Europe or China. PS the Chinese aren't done with Libya yet either.
Humans will stop using oil with plenty still in the ground. OVERALL production has been slowly declining, so what. The real issue that any corporation cares about is the recovery costs relative to the price paid for the recovered oil. The energetic and captial costs to recover have been increasing almost exponentially. Like any good corporation, when the process becomes unprofitable, it will be abandoned. The only way oil won't be abandoned is if the price per barrel continues to climb. If everyone is broke, who will be buying? Maybe this troll? Try harder dude.
yours is a valid alternate definition of "peak" oil but, when the process becomes unprofitable, it will be subsidized by the government.
For military and agricultural use....
Hey, wait a minute, isn't it already for those purposes?
absolutely - I meant more broadly and by more nefarious means. like war. like what's already been going on but to ? degree. these fuckers won't go quietly.
It HAS BEEN subsidized by the government for some time now, unfortunately you didn't read carefully enough. There are two inputs to be concerned with, the capital input AND the energy input. The question is how much inflation can people really handle. Inflation allows the government to supply the former to offset the latter. Works until it doesn't.
42B barrels is about 18 months of global consumption. Conclusion: we're still fucked.
If Libya was the only oil producing nation in the world, your conclusion would be correct. Reality is they are one of dozens of oil exporters. Combined, they have 50-100 years worth of oil consumption
First of all, oil reserves are depleting. We are using up existing reserves much faster than new reserves are being discovered. Second, peak oil is about production rates. You may have 50-100 years of oil in the ground, but that doesn't mean you can get it out fast enough to meet demand.
Juppe is still Foreign Minister? Wasn't he foreign minister in the 80's? He's gotta be a hundred years old by now. This just in from Tripoli btw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4BNbHBcnDI&feature=player_detailpage
not easy being an Oil Fish.
No, it's about Brown people, rounding up Black people, and getting ready for a CLEANING HOUSE.
The Rebels are taking all Blacks hostage, and imprisoning them.
No word on their fate, or intent.
Where are those sorry WHITE ass racists!!!.Ethnic cleansing.
http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-rebels-round-black-africans-130723394.html
What did you expect? Kadafi hired mercenairies from Soudan and other African countries to kill and rape the Libian people.
This might even lead to another war.
That's good news, right? And personally i've never heard of the term "scramble for oil" and "unseemly" in the same sentence either. I think the technical term is "shameless scramble for oil." Right up there with "naked power grab." Wait 'till the lobster and caviar dinners start appearing at "what's his name's" place.
Arabs selling out black africans who have no unity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjuu1ZOF-o
Party like its the 10th century....
So what else is new?
Ahhh the "cool metal headwear" century. Just when you thought it was over no less!
Don't try and trot out the CIA favorite of rape teams, rooms, kits, squads. BS to high heaven. CIA has a fascination with rape for its raw emotional appeal, and they are a bunch of sadists.
Where are the good old days where the Iraqis were taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators?
pods
You belive Shrillery's bullshit about the rape teams with viagra? Yeah all those massacres and thousands of dead bodies, but the media couldn't produce any pictures or videos.
What did you expect? Kadafi hired mercenairies from Soudan and other African countries to kill and rape the Libian people.
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Quite a strange point of view to hold when one is from the Western world.
Ummmmmm, what do Westerners state when they are to face the responsibilities they have in the wars declared by their government?
Not only that but mercenaries are private persons and their actions by such do not commit a the responsibilit of the people of a nation as a US style goverment does when waging a war.
But yet, if someone gets to a Westerner and kills him/her outright for his/her commitment in a war, very few people come up with "what do you expect?"
France soon to re-learn the difference between theory and experiment. Will be interesting to see who gets the oil in this "new democracy" and at what price. If I were leading the libyians I'd ask for payment in gold.
The battle for Libya's oil will be won by the black ops spooks. I like our guys vs. the French guys or the Italians. Who else has a dog in the hunt?
actually I wouldn't be surprised if nobody gets the oil, between allegations of China smuggling weapons to Kdaffy's peeps and now this phsy-ops deal where we drum up stories about terrorist factions breaking off from the main rebel group... could this be the pro China/Russia/Iran rebels they're talking about ?
When China and Russia have an innovative soldier, then you can sweat. The current generation of Russian and Chinese soldier was brought up in socialist states where being different was bad and the state provided everything, you just needed to memorize everything, including your task. Wait until the children growing up in Russia post 1990 start really earning rank. Then you can sweat. All is fair in love and war, soldiers that think outside of the box are very valuable, most who were raised in a socialist state can not do that, they lack critical thinking skills. Prohibition and a depression in the U.S. made for great soldiers during WWII.
"The current generation of Russian and Chinese soldier was brought up in socialist states where being different was bad and the state provided everything, you just needed to memorize everything, including your task."
In school, I remember the comformist (sheeple) and the non-conformist (innovators). You were more accepted into the group if you were a conformist than a non-conformist. While it's not as bad in the US when it comes to individual thinking than China, people in glass houses..
My God! We've SWITCHED! What you described...brain dead...that's Americans now!
Yes, but these Americans are still relatively young and not in power. What matters is who is in power and leading the ranks.
LoP, you do recall seeing the photos of young soldiers in early 40's or of the general population in the 30's....
Hell, 40% of our youth now is unfit to serve....
All is fair in love and war, soldiers that think outside of the box are very valuable
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Makes me laugh. Cheap shippment of propaganda again.
Not everything is fair in war. What is fair is determined by the mighty in this US world order.
And nobody is better placed to think out of the box than people who determine what is fair or not.
Not only that, but being the one who determines what is fair allows to measure up what is fair against your own capacities, that is declare things you can actually perform as being fair, without relying on fantasy attempts.
And to that, when in position, one can also turn a blind eye to stuff that are not considered fair.
Covering up for an ethnical cleansing with humanitarian concern is nothing new, it is US citizenism trademark. I think NATO treaty or something might even have a point against it.
It does not prevent Libyans from performing that old trick, being known and visible to the most.
That BS of innovation, thinking out of the box, is cheap propaganda to hide the fact that people setting up the rules are in the best positions to know the loopholes and exploit them in an actual way.
Dont speak latin with a clergyman.
Is libya the next afghanistan?
Freeeeeedom!!!!! Not oil, never oil, what's oil? Try to think whitout the tin foil for once.
All you need to know. No tin foil hat required.
"The Libyan economy depends primarily upon revenues from the oil sector, which contribute about 95 percent of export earnings, 25 percent of GDP, and 80 percent of government revenue."
I'm sorry. Did you say "government"?
No I didn't. The author of the article said it. Should we distrust everyone with two middle initials? Personally, I'm open-minded about such things.
I don't know how open minded i am in actuality but i can be convinced of pretty much anything. Since i have two middle initials as well u are of course absolutely correct in trusting people with that condition.
It is after all an inherited condition and nothing you chose for yourself. And you honor your parents by continuing to bear that burden. So you're okay in my book and I will trust you or anyone else until they prove that trust misplaced ; -)
May you ignore those who claim i am a lying, thieving scoundrel who cavorts with unsavory women fine sir!
Elegant fencing sirs.
Just to ease your mind, DV, I haven't heard a single person who claims you cavort with unsavory women ;)
the entire YOUTUBE video is good; it's long, but the first 10 minutes says a lot . pray for the innocents in LIBYA .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNLqQ2cN-PA&feature=player_embedded
They may never understand.
WTI oil hit $147/barrel just 3 years ago -- and sports fans, Libya was in full production that year. It didn't matter. And it won't matter.
The flow rate can't keep up with population. This is not rocket science.
mebbe
is there something about "cartel" and "price" that you're having trouble coming to terms with?
is there something about iraq and libya being members of "opec" which "our coalitions" have taken down, military, that is "news to youse"?
or is it just "other people" who "may never understand"???
Without France, the fledging Americans could never have beaten the tax fu*king English empire in the late 1700's.
Afterwards, even Napoleon also gave the States all that Lousiana territory.
Got to love France if you're for liberty.
We didn't beat England, they gave up. The whole way the war was fought by England reminds me of the way the US fights wars now (in Iraq and Afghanistan). Read a history book and get realistic. Also the French didn't help the US out of the kindness of their hearts, they did it to balance power in Europe. Think of what would have happened if the US grew as much as it did (along with British controlled Canada). France would have ceased to be a world power.
Didn't we lose the Rev War? Why fight for a colony openly with armies if you can control its finances through stealth?
This thought is based on general intuition more than anything, but I've got a hunch the Brits let us have our illusion of freedom simply because it served the interests of the Rothschilds et al to not waste a bunch of time paying soldiers when there were monied elite within the colonies who would continue fighting for their interests regardless of who "won" the war. Of course, I could be wrong here.
Also intuition: I'm thinking Benny Franklin, the maestro of paper money, sold our asses out on this one. I'm guessing I've got a couple junks coming for this one...I'll wear them with pride.
Your foil hat is shiny and magnificent.
Would the personal papers of those involved prove your theory correct?
A very nice, albeit somewhat technical article on Libyan oil potential
http://www.businessinsider.com/libya-oil-exports-2011-2
It is a reprint from a couple of years ago...but still relevant
Crude oil was sacked this morning.
Let's bring it back down to $35/barrel.
It is the ultimate "tax cut".
That would be nice, but then again there are a lot of other bidders in the room.
Umm... ok.
Are you and Michelle Bachmann going to "git er done?"
soon one ounce of gold will buy 100 bbls of oil because gold is so damn valuable and oil ain't worth squat. lulz
We will see $35/barrel WTI, but price is not informative.
Brent will be $85 then, but that's not really the point. You get to $35 by having only 2 flights per WEEK from NYC to LAX, because there are not enough passengers to fill any more than 2.
Oil scarcity destroys economies, then if they try to grow, it destroys them again.
Forever.
Add in a solid dose of 30 percent unemployment and we'll be ready to rock!
Pepe Escobar calls it "Humanitarian Imperialism"
"Let's take the SOB's out", Labor leader at Obama rally today. The SOB's are anyone who dissents or has a different opinion. Sounds like a Nazi rally in the 1930s.
or anyone not for the War in Iraq in 2003.
or anyone not for the libya war. head over to the huffpo and there's nothing but warmongers calling for war with libya and pakistan. anyone who opposes is a racist and traitor
Operation Initialize Libya (bitchez).
Water is also key in refining crude, right? Max Keiser interviewed Isa Blumi recently and he talked at length about Yemen's water supply and it's role in oil production regionally.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgIKMGQTSnM
trashed a functioning society
for a few more barrels
of dinosaur goo...
but havent we always trashed 'other' people for thier 'stuff'?
well, not "always", but then again "kill people and break things".
- Ned
{OT: 11A?}
11A NG and C.S.M.R. enl before that 11B. but that was a long time ago...
:-), ya, me 0802 (lending dignity) but, well, I got recycled to 0302, kinda' same. Esp. cuz' I worked for Kelley.
s/f
- Ned
{and yes, a long time ago. But "keep the faith" for all the bruthaz and (nowadays) the sistaz.}
{{and, well, "Welcome home, brother.}}
im serv con dis. myself. do alot of volunteer work for vets (homeless, etc) and we have a food bank just for vets. man, is it ugly. when i first started there we would have maybe 60 vets to give food to......the last time i volunteered there, there was, no joke, 741 vets looking for food. most were middle class before they lost everything.....geez, guys, thank you for service, now go live onthe street. man, somethings gotta give....
amputee?
or are you one of the hundreds of thousands of "men" who didn't "feel good" after they got home and cashed in for $3000/month, forever? hard to tell, sometimes...
you sound pretty healthy "captain of infantry". hope you're really disabled, for your own sake, and not just another scam-artist who usta wear a uniform, with a "medal he won in the war, weighs 500 pounds and it sleeps by the door..."
you sound like your identity is totally "tied up" by your "X" job. food stamps not enuf for these guys to eat on? you help them "get on VA dis"? i had a guy who came to a garage sale i was having several years ago. he bought the nikon system i "shot" vietNam with, by lo-balling me, and i took his offer. he said: how much you getting? i told him: zero. he couldn't believe it and started writing down for me the name & ph.# of "the woman" to contact to apply and the name & # of the local "vets group guy(s)" who would show me exactly what to say and write to document my "disability" and "get with the program, like everybody else". when i told him i wasn't interested and hadn't been for almost 35 years till then, he looked at me, my old car, the stuff i was selling, and told me i was "crazy"! very sharp guy, w/ a brand new truck and also owned several rentals, too! perfectly healthy, too, as far as i could tell. real "winner" too, just ask him!
now, i know a lotta guys that can't walk, think, see or fuk right due to their "tour", but i'm not one of them. sorry that you are. hang in there, dai wi!
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i understand you, p-rat. when i was a private e- nothing in the mid 80's, my first squad leader was a nam vet. WOW, you sound just like him. cynical, not afraid to say it like he saw it, a realist. it was by the leadership and training of guys like him to took their experience in nam and created the army of desert storm, and handed iraq its ass on a plate....
so ill answer your questions, one grunt to another...
i have good days and bad days, and i use a cane, and its not for show...
i weigh 175, not 500.
my medals, dog tags, cib, and blue cord lived in a shoe box, till my daughter ask for them.
i have NEVER directed anyone to AMVETS or DAV, god as my witness.and finally, yeah, i may be proud of my service of my service in the inf., now, but it wasnt always like that, too many friends gone, one way or another..., too much pain, and enough blood for 2 lifetimes. you know EXACTLY what talking about...
thank you for yoyr service to our country, and us kids couldnt have pulled off what we did without your experience...
so, keep your cannons loaded, fly that black flag, take no prisoners and keep your sails full, for we still a ways to go on this journey..
fair winds, p-rats, fair winds....
France was behind this thing right from the start. The Arab Spring was just convenient timing for them. Good article here: http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/08/31/now-that-we’re-celebrating-qaddafi’s-end-can-we-get-a-little-truth/
Say it isn't so! They told us it was a) the Muslim Spring, and b) an indigineous uprising, with c) no involvement of any "outsiders".
Go figure.
- Ned
Where has Cindy Sheehan gone? Shouldn't she be camping out on Obama's front lawn calling him a killer and starting a war for oil and all that good stuff?
One word - "settlement". She is quite happy now.
it wasn't about what she said it was about.
It wasn't about oil - that's what the simpletons always think. It is about world dominance.
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They have picked you all off first from the beginning. Paradoxically you are the best and the worst.
Vitol (Ru) seems to loose contracts, Glencore (CH/GB) seems to establish its position in Libya.
The french will improve their balance of trade on this one. Bunga bunga will lose a big one there. You can see the Italians are beginning to sweat on this one. With Qatar in there we see the outlines of Sarkozy's new MENA strategy. He is Frederick 1I to GWB's play of unilteral clash of civilizations as Saint Louis. Frederick II believed in negotiating for Jerusalem with the Ayyoubid kings. He succeeded for eight years. Then lost control of Jerusalem because of local rebellious frankish barons who rebelled against his suzerainty.
The aftermath of this play, complicated by his ongoing war against the Pope, led to Saint Louis's disastrous crusade.
Today Sarkozy is doing a reverse historical play; GWB played at Saint Louis and Sarkozy plays at Frederick II. By trying a multilateral approach to achieve the same strategic aims of dominating the Oil patch.
This new approach is worth noting. Will multilateral management of Oil patch and financial architecture be his strategy to put Europe back on the Map?
It all depends on Merkel on the financial front. Whereas on the military side, its France and Britain + Qatar's financial and Arab influence.
OK! The tale told to us features "Rebels" fighting to protrct prople with NOTO's help. What do other people in the World hear?
Not so sure, 3/4 of the planet is underwater, it seems we have barely scratched the surface, (pardon the unpun).
Thomas Gold deserves a second look IMHO.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Thomas_Gold
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/
I really like the last above article, b/c I think the idea we should concerve oil wisely for specialized uses will be imperative as we necessarily transition to the next energy solution mix.
Just a thought... Happy Labor Day ZHers.
Reposted from another thread:
I think you've lost him in transient abiotic levitation; bemused by scientific transalation, incredulous to transmutation of wood into precious black gold over a billion years. Some people NEED to believe in black magic!
It's also interesting to note that Obama has sent our military to Libya (One of six conflicts our troops are in right now) to back 'rebels' who are rounding up blacks and killing them. Don't expect to hear any complaint from the Congressional Black Caucus though, they're busy screwing their own black neighborhoods and trying to start a race war here.
Or they are pretty aware of what it means to be a US citizen.
Contrary to the fantaisists' claims, Obama is no better defined than by the US citizen tag. US citizens who can not admit that they have a negro in office want him to be a black man (with what it is supposed to mean in US citizenism), a marxist, a third world supporter, a muslim...
But first and all, this negro has been a US citizen, working to further and protect US best interests.
All these people are US patriots.
Who would have ever guessed Libya had oil /
Fucking NATO....
World police for the Americans.
Under Gadaffi Lybian banks loaned money interest-free, gas was 14 cents / gal, home ownership was considered a citizen right, and Lybians had the highest standard of living in Africa.
Let's see how well they do under the new "humanitarian" America-Wall-Street-CIA-NATO-rebel-proxy regime.
Let's see how well they do under the new "humanitarian" America-Wall-Street-CIA-NATO-rebel-proxy regime.
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In the US world order, this question is already answered.
They will do better no matter what. Complainers (who might bring in facts) will do it because they are Gadaffi's supporters.
This is what one earns when one is freed in this US driven world.
The day previous to the liberation, a struggling person was a person oppressed by an odious tyrant who was responsible of all this person's woes.
The day after the liberation, the same struggling person is rag tag, a sore loser, a good for nothing, somebody who lacks initiative, work ethics and entrepreneurship spirit to fare in a free society.
Expect the free press to tell stories about Libyan who knew how to seize opportunities, which means in US speech, sell your country out to support West standards of life.