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Guest Post: US Government Proposes Law Making It Illegal For Them To Kill You

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Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,

Last Friday, US Congressman Dennis Kucinich introduced HR 6357, a bill which aims to ‘prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens’ by the federal government. In other words, in the Land of the Free, they need to pass a law to prevent the government from indiscriminately murdering its own citizens.

Now if this doesn’t give one reason to pause and consider the distortions of liberty that have taken place in western civilization, I don’t know what will. Think about it:

  • Does a free society send government hit men to eliminate anyone they perceive to be an enemy of the state?
  • Does a free society have hundreds of police agencies, each with the authority to deprive a man of his life, liberty and property in their sole discretion?
  • Does a free society have hundreds of thousands of laws, codes, rules, regulations, and policies which effectively criminalize nearly every aspect of one’s existence?
  • Does a free society lead the world in prison population?
  • Does a free society hunt down criminals and terrorists by treating its citizens like criminals and terrorists?
  • Does a free society tell its citizens what foods they are / are not allowed to consume?
  • Does a free society steal your money at gunpoint to buy bombs that they drop by remote control on brown people in faraway lands?
  • Does a free society debase its currency and plunder the purchasing power of its citizens?
  • Does a free society saddle unborn generations with obligations they never signed up to bear?
  • Does a free society award near total control of the economy, the money supply, and everything tied to it, to a tiny elite few?
  • Does a free society brainwash its citizens into believing that they live in a free society? (at least the Chinese know they’re not free…)

Ask yourself, are you really living in a free society? Are you free? If not, why not? What else could possibly be more important?

It takes courage to answer honestly. But once you realize the truth and begin to see the system for what it is, it can be a liberating and life-changing experience.

You’ll find that there are places where you can live free in this world. There are ways to preserve your dignity, your privacy, your livelihood. You’ll find that you can build great camaraderie and mutual trust with like-minded souls because you share the same values, not the same color passport.

My guess is that you’re reading this because you’ve already started down the road to freedom. But you might feel alone… intellectually isolated in a sea of automatons.

You’re not alone. More and more people are waking up every day and beginning to realize the incredible fraud that has been perpetrated against them. When enough of them figure it out, this system will be finished.

That’s why I fundamentally believe that today is one of the most exciting times to be alive since the French Revolution. And we’re just getting warmed up.

If you have any friends or loved ones who still exemplify that self-deluded, bombastic serf mentality, I encourage you to pass this along to them… and challenge them to answer honestly.

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Tue, 08/07/2012 - 18:39 | 2686019 francis_sawyer
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Run Eliza Run!... Run from Simon!...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 18:55 | 2686063 HelluvaEngineer
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Molon Labe

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 18:58 | 2686076 Western
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this is a great law that i hope is going to get passed

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:11 | 2686090 Pladizow
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What should we think, if it is not passed?

"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus, Roman Senator.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:13 | 2686117 Goldilocks
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think, "business" as usual, regardless.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:27 | 2686136 francis_sawyer
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Don't y'all get it?... Simon is pandering here... His feelings are hurt because he gets junked relentlessly... He might as well [to get back into green territory] pen an article that says... "Gold Bitchez" ~ "Fuck Bernanke"...

Jesus Herman Christ... sheeps are easy to herd...


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:42 | 2686177 Popo
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Is this guy kidding?  This post comes from a guy who recommends living in Chile, Cambodia and El Salvador -- where governments have murdered by the tens of thousands.  AND he still hasn't given up his own US passport.

What a joke.

And then he writes:  "If you have any friends who still exemplify that self-deluded, bombastic serf mentality, I encourage you to pass this along to them"

You mean like those who bitch and whine about the system but can't manage to leave it?  Yeah. That would be you Simon.  

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:15 | 2686276 Manthong
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Does a free society employ state agents that burst your ostomy bag?


Wed, 08/08/2012 - 05:40 | 2686984 Dr Benway
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So where would be safer to be than in the US, if you fear being extrajudicially killed by the state or meteor strikes?


Would Cambodia be safer? Maybe we should get a house boat and travel the world, with Simon as our merry captain.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 08:45 | 2687165 exi1ed0ne
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Security is largely an illusion. The State kills people all the time, largely without consequences that would affect the power of the State - the only thing that really matters. Even if this legislation passes it will be business as usual.

The main thing I agree with Simon is to have options planned out beforehand. It's too late to start when you need them, and he does occasionally bring bits of information to the table. Svalbard might be an interesting visit for example, if you were looking for a pioneer adventure or looking to get eaten by a polar bear. All the rest is fluff, and I've noticed the increase in breathlessness in his missives.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:22 | 2686289 GeezerGeek
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You're confusing the message with the messenger. This is one time Simon is on target.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:26 | 2686299 francis_sawyer
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EXACTLY... Good message... (Thanks ~ but it's pandering & I already know this shit without a pompous ass deliverer trying to win back brownie points for pompuos ass posts)...



Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:41 | 2686340 Half_A_Billion_...
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USA = Inverted Totalitarianism  


Check this out


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 21:12 | 2686405 PeaceLover
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by god I think you understand it...

You may have black SUV's in front of your house anyday now.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 23:23 | 2686631 tmosley
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Uhhh, might as well say that it is bad to live in the US because of King George III.  Pinochet has been out for a LOOONG time, as has the Khmer Rouge.  Don't know about El Salvador, but a lot of people expatriate there, so I doubt it is exactly random execution central.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 01:54 | 2686848 putaipan
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now that you're all done with poor little "window on the world" simon......i've always said to myself that the only way i'd be 100% comfortable/confident with voting for ron paul was if dennis was his running mate...despite his voting record....and after reading this i'd have to see his whole list of cabinet nomanies-


rocky ! rocky!rocky! no justice no peace! rocky rocky rocky!

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 05:44 | 2686983 Dr Benway
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Still think you'd run a higher risk of extrajudicial killing there than in the US though

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 00:56 | 2686770 Bringin It
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Pandering or not, this is the first I have heard about this excellent attempt at showing the emporer has no clothes from Kucenich(sp?)

I appreciate that.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 01:26 | 2686808 DeadFred
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Sadly I won't be putting any bets on it getting out of committee. The easiest way to keep their clowns from having to say they voted against it is to bury it. Still it's a good try.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 05:23 | 2686970 Moe Howard
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The MSM had a story about a bill by Kucenich, but it was poking fun of a bill to label cellphones hazerdous to your health.


Which they are. Anyone think passing radio waves through your head is a good thing?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:10 | 2686111 g speed
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It will be interesting to watch Republicans attack this bill (Dennis is a Dem)--maybe Rush can wade in on the unexceptionalistic aspects of it 

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:26 | 2686152 g speed
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this is the kind of thing that makes the evening news-----people need to be slapped in the face to wake up. Its not the bill thats important its the realization that the govt will kill you for no reason-- 

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:53 | 2686217 toady
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Actually, this is the kind of thing that DOESN'T make the evening news. Imagine if a hundred million Americans were suddenly told that things are so bad that 'they' needed a law to NOT kill you!

And it won't pass, unless someone can figure out how to attach a couple of billion in pork...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:35 | 2686171 A Lunatic
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Actually it will be more interesting to see what they attach to it on page two. These fuckers never have done us any favors.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:30 | 2686311 Harbanger
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Everyone who has ears knows by now that you can't believe anything that comes from the Big Nanny State Democrats.  It's all election time chicago politics.  The Democrats don't have 1 single bonafide pro-liberty, pro-constitution group within the entire party. 

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:13 | 2686112 bank guy in Brussels
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American Dennis Kucinich is in many ways a 'socialist' in his socio-political views ... a friendly word in Europe, where 'socialism' is a phrase describing why it is so nice to live in these parts ...

But it is not so happy and popular a word in America

Instead of 'libertarians' in Europe we more have 'socialist anarchists' ...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:26 | 2686150 Row Well Number 41
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Actually I think Kucinich and Paul represent what the founding fathers wanted.  They disagree on what the government should do and maybe even on how to interprete the constitution, but they do believe in the constitution.  Both keep a full copy in there front pockets and refer to it regularly.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 22:14 | 2686515 margaris
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Exactly. If you can keep the constitution in your front pocket, you know its something priceless and truthful....

Anything that values freedom and liberty can be expressed in short clear sentences.

It does not need any complicating manipulating levels of deviation.


Let lawyers carry their 100k pages of tax law in their front pockets...

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 23:05 | 2686593 Harbanger
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Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich have nothing in common.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 01:58 | 2686853 putaipan
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habeous corpus? integity? .... but your right i'll take dr.michael hudson as an economic advisor over libertarian corporate austerity anyday.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 05:25 | 2686972 Moe Howard
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Not true. Truth makes strange bedfellows. They have worked together before.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 23:46 | 2686671 Excursionist
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This post jumped the shark. 

The proposed legislation is aimed at preventing U.S. citizen militants from getting killed when acting against U.S. interests abroad, though the legislation is purposely and deceptively written as if the noble purpose were to end extrajudicial killings of citizens everywhere, including on U.S. soil.

Sorry guys.  Not with you on this one.  If some miserable, semi-literate Allah-worshipping idiot is accidentally born in the U.S. as a citizen and later in life decides to take up arms against his country in a lovely, Disney-themed wonderland like Yemen, then the U.S. government has my blessing to use my tax dollars on however many Hellfire missiles it takes to send said idiot to his maker in the most expeditious way possible.

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 05:29 | 2686973 Moe Howard
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So for you, the ends justify the means, just as it does for all the "isms" out there.

We are not at war with Yemen, using a man controlled drone to kill people is still murder. The video camera as the aiming device does not remove the guilt of murder. A 16 year old boy was killed. Please show me the court ordered execution.


If Obama can kill them, he can kill you or me. "No controlling legal authority".

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:06 | 2686093 Jay Gould Esq.
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Leonidas indeed...moving forward in time just a bit, one wonders what Plato would offer as commentary regarding the modern "republic ?"

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 21:01 | 2686386 Harbanger
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Why? Platos Republic was about a Utopian City State (central planning).  The "modern "Republic" was modeled after the Roman Republic, a manifestation of Aristotle's theory. 

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:09 | 2686106 otto skorzeny
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coming soon to a sky above you

Wed, 08/08/2012 - 00:40 | 2686750 bonddude
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Ob am a negotiating with pahhhkeestahn again?

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:07 | 2686104 Gully Foyle
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Cornell West on NPR says: "We are all Niggers in America Now!"

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:24 | 2686146 nmewn
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Sounds like he's got a pretty low opinion of me.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:57 | 2686224 toady
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I almost said something, but I'll bite my tongue.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:35 | 2686322 nmewn
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West is an idiot stuck in a time warp.

Appearing on government subsidized NPR, as a tenured professor at Princeton, after New Jersey took bailout cash, talking about niggers...it just doesn't get any richer ;-)

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 21:56 | 2686477 Zionist Jew
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At least niggers understand the futility of Gun Control Legislation. 


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 23:17 | 2686620 toady
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Nigger PLEASE!

There, I said it.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:36 | 2686172 Row Well Number 41
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Cornel West seems to have a fairly low hopium tolorence, especially for a black man.  He's been pointing out Obama's hypocrisy since before the election.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:09 | 2686260 Ness.
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The same Cornrolls West that travelled to China with Tavis Smiley to reveal the 'virtues' of a socialist government on taxpayer funded NPR? 


Fuck that motherfucker.


Sorry, I needed to vent.

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 20:29 | 2686310 francis_sawyer
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anyone that says "Fuck that motherfucker..." gets a ^ from me... :-)

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:12 | 2686113 Gully Foyle
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Frank Zappa - It Can´t Happen Here 1966 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKITpVovTAE FRANK ZAPPA
"It Can't Happen Here"

It can't happen here
It can't happen here
I'm telling you, my dear
That it can't happen here
Because I been checkin' it out, baby
I checked it out a couple a times

But I'm telling you
It can't happen here
Oh darling, it's important that you believe me
(Bop bop bop bop)
That it can't happen here

Who could imagine that they would freak out somewhere
in Kansas . . .
(Kansas . . . Kansas . . . Kansas . . . Kansas . . . )
(Kansas, Kansas, do-do-dun to-to
Kansas, Kansas, la la la)
(Kansas, Kansas, do-do-dun to-to
Kansas, Kansas)
Who could imagine that they would freak out in Minnesota . . .
Mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi-mi . . . )
(Mama Minnesota, Mama Minnesota, Mama Minnesota,
Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma Mama Minnesota,
Mama Minnesota, Mama Minnesota,
Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma Mama Minnesota)
Who could imagine . . .

Who could imagine
That they would freak out in Washington, D.C.
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
(AC/DC do-do-do-dun, AC/DC
Ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma, AC/DC)
But it can't happen here
Oh baby, it can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
Oh baby, it can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
It can't happen here
Everybody's safe and it can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
No freaks for us
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
It can't happen here
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
Everybody's clean and it can't happen here
No, no, it won't happen here
(No, no, it won't happen here)
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
I'm telling you it can't
(AC/DC bop-bop-bop)
It won't happen here
(I'm not worried at all, I'm not worried at all)
Plastic folks, you know
It won't happen here
You're safe, mama
(No no no)
You're safe, baby
(No no no)
You just cook a tv dinner
(No no no)
And you make it
Bop bop bop
(No no no)
Oh, we're gonna get a tv dinner and cook it up
(No no no no no no no!)
Oh, get a tv dinner and cook it up
Cook it up
Oh, and it won't happen here
Who could imagine
That they would freak out in the suburbs!
(No no no no no no no no no no
Man you guys are really safe
Everything's cool)

I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool
I remember (tu-tu)
I remember (tu-tu)
They had a swimming pool

And they thought it couldn't happen here
(duh duh duh)
They knew it couldn't happen here
They were so sure it couldn't happen here
But . . .

Suzy . . .
Yes yes, oh yes-I've always felt that
Yes, I agree man, it really makes it . . . yeah . . .
It's a real THING, man, it really makes it

FZ: Suzy, you just got to town, and we've been . . . we've been very interested in your development
Suzy: Forget it!

(It can't happen here)

Tue, 08/07/2012 - 19:50 | 2686208 Ljoot
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I + any Zappa reference.


Tue, 08/07/2012 - 23:05 | 2686608 The Navigator
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and I + any girl pouring beer over her boobs


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