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Guest Post: US Government Proposes Law Making It Illegal For Them To Kill You
Submitted by Simon Black of Sovereign Man blog,
Last Friday, US Congressman Dennis Kucinich introduced HR 6357, a bill which aims to ‘prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens’ by the federal government. In other words, in the Land of the Free, they need to pass a law to prevent the government from indiscriminately murdering its own citizens.
Now if this doesn’t give one reason to pause and consider the distortions of liberty that have taken place in western civilization, I don’t know what will. Think about it:
- Does a free society send government hit men to eliminate anyone they perceive to be an enemy of the state?
- Does a free society have hundreds of police agencies, each with the authority to deprive a man of his life, liberty and property in their sole discretion?
- Does a free society have hundreds of thousands of laws, codes, rules, regulations, and policies which effectively criminalize nearly every aspect of one’s existence?
- Does a free society lead the world in prison population?
- Does a free society hunt down criminals and terrorists by treating its citizens like criminals and terrorists?
- Does a free society tell its citizens what foods they are / are not allowed to consume?
- Does a free society steal your money at gunpoint to buy bombs that they drop by remote control on brown people in faraway lands?
- Does a free society debase its currency and plunder the purchasing power of its citizens?
- Does a free society saddle unborn generations with obligations they never signed up to bear?
- Does a free society award near total control of the economy, the money supply, and everything tied to it, to a tiny elite few?
- Does a free society brainwash its citizens into believing that they live in a free society? (at least the Chinese know they’re not free…)
Ask yourself, are you really living in a free society? Are you free? If not, why not? What else could possibly be more important?
It takes courage to answer honestly. But once you realize the truth and begin to see the system for what it is, it can be a liberating and life-changing experience.
You’ll find that there are places where you can live free in this world. There are ways to preserve your dignity, your privacy, your livelihood. You’ll find that you can build great camaraderie and mutual trust with like-minded souls because you share the same values, not the same color passport.
My guess is that you’re reading this because you’ve already started down the road to freedom. But you might feel alone… intellectually isolated in a sea of automatons.
You’re not alone. More and more people are waking up every day and beginning to realize the incredible fraud that has been perpetrated against them. When enough of them figure it out, this system will be finished.
That’s why I fundamentally believe that today is one of the most exciting times to be alive since the French Revolution. And we’re just getting warmed up.
If you have any friends or loved ones who still exemplify that self-deluded, bombastic serf mentality, I encourage you to pass this along to them… and challenge them to answer honestly.
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I live in a game preserve.
I used to also, but Harrahs in AC eventually threw me out.
"Friends or loved ones who still exemplify that self-deluded, bombastic serf mentality" (of which I have none BTW but YMMV) have no interest in being challenged and certainly have no interest in knowing the truth as long as the lies still satiate their needs at this point from my experience. At this stage of the game we're surrounded by the enemy and they can all just get screwed as far as I'm concerned.
Aaaaaggghhh Barf me out and gag me with a knife:
From CNBC:
We have to pass a law? Seriously? We already have 38 million laws to enforce the other 9 commandments.
anybody read the small letters at the bottom o/t page?
there ain't none?
dbl
they. who are they?
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we. who are we?
us/them.us/them.us/them.
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there is/was a declaration and constitution, included phrase
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
"we the people......"
link.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html
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oh....
The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription
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IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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the government,
who are they? you mean to say they
can kill me anytime they like and they
don't even know who they are, or i don't know
who they are, or we don't know who they are?
these things should be and have been a matter
of public record. it can be looked up, has
been documented.
but they can kill other people, presumably
who have an identity and know who they are,
and it is legal and lawful and moral and right and
with justice and all in their corner.
corner. ongoing, they have a long history of it.
hmm. that goes with paint and wet and liquid.
a question, does authority and power frequently
embrace ignorance and brutality out of convenience? ( is there a
fundamental and necessary structural relationship
there? they say that ignorance is bliss but it
can also be a common tool and when abused result
in catastrophe for the individual and even worsity.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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Ever stumble across all the plans regarding "Continuity of Government"? Ever hear a peep about continuity of the people? Shows where their concerns lie.
And by the way, anyone promoting the Declaration of Independence or suggesting the Constitution should be adhered to is considered a potential terrorist. Along with non-Islamist religious types and producers of raw milk.
funny how the foundation becomes the
threat. indicates some bad structure
and faulty architecture perhaps, and
levels of fraud, hypocrisy, duplicity
and treason even.
Congratulations to Simon Black for doing a ZeroHedge article that finally hit the spot
A few snarky comments based on his past record but generally well received
Usually he bombs big-time with the ZeroHedge crowd and the comments are a laugh riot
Soon perhaps Simon can get back to telling us about good investments in Mongolian banks ... and amid the Baltic country girls ... and in the US puppet country of Georgia that started that stupid war the other year ... and the place in Chile a safe distance from the riots ...
Sovereign Man is right about the dangers inside the US, but golly his suggestions for international living and investment need a make-over
Does the Kucinich bill apply to the unborn?
sschu
From NCRenegade:
STATUS of HR 6357 (Aug 03, 2012):
This bill was assigned to a congressional committee on August 3, 2012, which will consider it before possibly sending it on to the House or Senate as a whole.
PROGNOSIS:
This bill has a 0% chance of being enacted. The following factors were considered:
This bill was a re-introduction of H.R. 6010 (111th) from the previous session of Congress. (-3%)
The sponsor is a member of the minority party.(-2%)
Just 4% of all House bills in 2009–2010 were enacted.
Text of the Bill:
The text of this bill is not yet available. Please check back soon.
I asked my dear wife,She said No,we aint living in free societys,shes Brasilian,and she knows the chains of The military dictatur,and funny enogh,to the most of you,It wont come as a surprise,who instigated this Dictatorship,be side ITT?
L.B.Jonhson,we cant have these Commy,s running and making an disent society,down their in Brasil,lets send the fleet,to give them some help,to Oust,J. Goulart.
And about laws,oh yes my, arse we got laws,and Advocats, Lawyers,and they say its raining,but it aint,its warm smelly and stinking,and yellow,like in Chicken.
But what is missing is ,JUSTICE.
What the heck, does laws matter,if they dont create Justice.
An exeample,to law,an international,The Geneva convention of wars prisoners,Gaddafi,was a POW,we came, we saw,and he died,oh yeah, she came big time,Billy ,couldnt handle her????
Doesnt, it say all about who laws is made for, and who not!
We the people are the pawns ,on the Elites chesboard,canon food,they send us,out to die for their stupid ideas,and the sheeps say, Ay Ay Sir,ill kill some Brownies for you some yellows some Latinos some blacks,and even some of our own,if you want.
Kind a like the state we are in!
And the food we eat,ia a capiatl of its own,the famos round up,Glyphosat,would,when it was launched,disaper,right up into the blue,the just forget to say drinking water.
The Gmo,s would never spread on their own,not they fine farmers who have no guild in the shit enter their crops.
I get dry in my throat,got have, some GMO coofee
i get dry in my throat trying to read your fucking message. please get me some of the drugs you are on...?!
Sorry ran out of them!
Cut n paste from last week. next.
I applaud Dennis for bringing this bill up & hope it makes lots of headlines. In the meantime, I'll bet you a beer if you picked ten Americans off the street and ran this list down to them, 7 would say you're full of shit and of those 7, 4 would want to argue that you're wrong (while saying you're full of shit).
That's the country we live in, and that's why all of this is so true. Since at least 2000 when the coup took over, we've moved steadily toward a country where we're not free, we're sheeple (or meeple).
"WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."
Government is good.
I'm curious what precipitated this action on the part of Kucinich. The laws protecting the citizenry in this country have been so blatantly violated for so long I can't understand why he would bother. Perhaps something more is brewing behind the scenes. Well, let's see. Maybe I'll make a large flag of HR 6357 and plaster it on my roof and see if it can deflect any drones. Whew, I feel so much safer.
Miffed:-)
It's to get them on record yes or no.. will show you who thinks we can eat cake.
It's a great idea..
PL
"The Constitution can't stop a bullet." unknown
Why pass a new law? Do they obey any existing laws? It means shit!
Okay ladies & gents, how 'bout we run with this to wake people up: "Double Oh 'Bama" or "00Bama" It fits, because he thinks he has a license to kill.
How 'bout just name him WMD to American values?
Vladimir, is that you??
yes, the men of the bush crime syndicate have used the power of the state to murder president kennedy, remove president nixon from power, assassinate president reagan, murder martin luther king, jr and his grandmother, murder john lennon, murder mary meyer, and hundreds of thousands more, to say nothing of the millions murdered in their communist experiments in terror in russia, cambodia, iran, and too many places to mention.....
the whole patriot act is a vile piece of nazi legislation which should be shit canned immediately....
You forgot Tony Danza.
I'm still in this world, country, state, etc., but I'm no longer of it. You can tax, kill, imprison, whatever, but you can't "own" a man's spirit or soul if you prefer. That's his to destroy...or save. YMMV.
We are doing what little we can here.
No we are not free and are a-fixing to get it fixed.
You really don't understand until you reject government completely.
Government is ponzi organism, it requires more and more resources to keep the con going.
Write your congessman to defeat this bill.
Under NDAA we can kill all politicians that aid and abet Alquida with no consequence.
Oh happy days...
write your Congressman? Ha ha ha -I can't stop laughing - like when we all wrote and called to try to stop the 2008 baillout? For window dressing and to cover their asses, they'll always allow a sufficient number of criminal congresmen to support the will of the people -but 98% are owned by the criminals and will vote as they are told. Americans need to pull their heads out of their asses- most Americans are not capable of doing so because the methane gas emanating from their asses have left them permannently brain dead- zombies -pod people -children of the matrix-whatever-
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the fiction which is exempted from
scrutiny by the class of "people"
excluded from the privileges defining
the elite class, law-makers, but, who are
the target audience of said "law".
as artist define/articulate art, lawyers define/
articulate law.
not all fiction is law but all law is a
type of fiction. it has a beginning, a middle and an end that follows along a plot. the plot may
or may not have relevance or be understood by
the characters that comprise and sustain the plot.
the plot is usually a club to beat the life from
the weak and outlying for the comfort of the
comfortable.
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law (n.) O.E. lagu (plural laga, comb. form lah-) "law, ordinance, rule, regulation; district governed by the same laws," from O.N. *lagu "law," collective plural of lag "layer, measure, stroke," lit. "something laid down or fixed," from P.Gmc. *lagan "put, lay" (see lay (v.)). Replaced O.E. æ and gesetnes, which had the same sense development as law. Cf. also statute, from L. statuere; Ger. Gesetz "law," from O.H.G. gisatzida; Lith. istatymas, from istatyti "set up, establish." In physics, from 1660s. Law and order have been coupled since 1796.
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article (n.) c.1200, "separate parts of anything written" (e.g. the statements in the Apostles' Creed, the clauses of a statute or contract), from O.Fr. article (13c.), from L. articulus, dim. of artus "a joint" (from PIE *ar-tu-, from *ar- "to fit together;" (see arm (n.1)).
Meaning extended to "a small division," then generalized to "item, thing." Older sense preserved in Articles of War "military regulations" (1716) and Articles of Confederation (U.S. history). Meaning "literary composition in a journal, etc." (independent, but part of a larger work) first recorded 1712. Meaning "piece of property" (clothing, etc.) first attested 1796, originally in rogue's cant.
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ordinance (n.) c.1300, "an authoritative direction, decree, or command" (narrower or more transitory than a law), from O.Fr. ordenance, from M.L. ordinantia, from L. ordinantem (nom. ordinans), prp. of ordinare "put in order" (see ordain). By early 14c. senses had emerged of "arrangement in ranks or rows" (especially in order of battle), also "warlike provisions, equipment" (a sense now in ordnance).maypole "high striped pole decorated with flowers and ribbons for May Day merrymakers to dance around," attested from 1550s but certainly much older, as the first mention of it is in an ordinance banning them, and there are references to such erections, though not by this name, from a mid-14c. Welsh poem. See May Day.
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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=article&se...
"today is one of the most exciting times to be alive since the French Revolution."
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To be honest with you, I could do without any such exciting times.
The French Revolution was quite a destructive time for the French people.
The French Revolution was about the new rich getting rid of the old rich using the people to do their dirty work.
You Wanna Fookie Me? Fook Me?
ha ha
Yeah, like they're so following all the laws on the books now.
Are you a citizen? yes. check
Do you have a birth certificate? yes. check
Do you have a drivers license? yes. check
Do you have s SSN or SIN? yes. Check
Do you have any other form of license eg fishing,firearm, anything? yes. check
Its your choice if you wish to operate thru any of the above juridical personality's. The gov like you can destroy what it owns. If you happen to be operating thru said juridical personality and agree that you are said juridical personality when they decide to destroy their property its going to be a bad day for you a human being.
Do you know your human rights? do you know Law?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZwQ-bNFGoY
bamy just put ole dennis on the list better look out for the reaper
Amreican citizenism is eternal, so the law is kinda moot isnt it?
The text of H.R.6357 has not yet been received from GPO
http://tinyurl.com/d58l9yo
Let's go ahead and pass this bill so we can see what's in it
"Hmmmm, no blog posts found for this bill at this time. This means that this this bill has not yet been mentioned on a publicly-searchable blog by either its official number or title"
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h6357/show
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr6357
"This bill has a 0% chance of being enacted. The following factors were considered:
This bill was a re-introduction of H.R. 6010 (111th) from the previous session of Congress. (-3%)
The sponsor is a member of the minority party. (-2%)"
http://tinyurl.com/94cjsds
111th CONGRESS
H. R. 6010
To prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
July 30, 2010
SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON THE EXTRAJUDICIAL KILLING OF UNITED STATES CITIZENS.
(a) Prohibition- No one, including the President, may instruct a person acting within the scope of employment with the United States Government or an agent acting on behalf of the United States Government to engage in, or conspire to engage in, the extrajudicial killing of a United States citizen.
as if *that* could ever make it out of committee
This bill has a 0% chance of being enacted. The following factors were considered:
This bill was a re-introduction of H.R. 6010 (111th) from the previous session of Congress. (-3%)
The sponsor is a member of the minority party. (-2%)
Just 4% of all House bills in 2009–2010 were enacted.
jinx
it's a fine madness this life we lead today. Defies satire - so far past the edge it would be in bad taste if it all weren't true and real and living it every day.
We wonder why cavemen lived in caves, perhaps we shall find out soon enough. The only place left to hide from our own government drones. They tax us for the money to buy the weapons to kill us with.
This then was America in the 21st century.
Don't let the headlines and silly stuff like this distract you from the imminent MASS ARESSTS, the dissolution of the FED, and the virtual dissolution of the U.S. federal government... http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/
...the mirror image of contempt is equal with the Supreme Court Citizen United souless unbecoming company robot black hole, could this be the reason why there isn't daily attempts to kill POTUS, The Supreme Morons, the Legislative Branch and the Usual Suspects tied to Benny and the 911 Jets at this point?
...naah. Americans are just pathetic dumbed down socialist scum on average, no different from any Muppet nation now, defined by their two largest employers, the Gubermint and the Suicide Squid's Great Wal Mart of China.
...it's not because they are Christian that they live.
No one for well over a century has been "free" since 1868, the year when we stopped being citizens of a country, and became property of the corperation. Next came 1913, when we lost control of our money, and were/are coerced into paying an income tax to the corperation. Then the Patriot Act, and the other "law" signed last year by the kenyan pretender, allowing the feds to kill it's subjects on somuch as a whim. We are anything but free. We are corperate property. Now they are even telling us what we may eat and drink.
it's corporation, not corperation.
Can we now have a law which says that the US can't carry out extra-judicial killings/murders on ANYONE in the world?
Everyone else works quite happily with the concept that if someone commits a crime against you, you extradite him and try him. And if a country commits 'crimes' against you you can apply sanctions and ramp them up to a point where you declare war.
I have no problem with killing other countries' citizens if two countries are formally at war. But if you just allow a government to kill people because they claim they have a good reason, you will start off killing people for good reasons and move inexorably towards killing people for political and convenience reasons, and then maybe no reason at all....
Well Mr. Black, I propose that no person lives in a "free society"
And here is why:
Definition of "free": Not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes.
Definition of "society": The community of people living in a particular region and having shared customs, laws, and organizations.
Let's put them both together into once definition:
Not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes in a community of people living in a particular region and having shared customs, laws, and organizations.
Now that is an oxymoron!
You make many thought provoking points, but not in the context and comparison to a "free society". All of your points describe the human condition present in the modern day world. And most of those points have been repeated throughout history for millenia across all societies at many points in time.