Guest Post: To The US Govt, Failure To Disclose Foreign Accounts Is Worse Than Child Porn

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Submitted by Simon Black of SovereignMan blog,

Jacques Wajsfelner of Weston, Massachusetts is a criminal mastermind. Big time. Like Lex Luthor. But rest easy, ladies and gentlemen, for this nefarious villain is about to face some serious jail time thanks to the courageous work of US government agents.

You see, Mr. Wajsfelner was finally caught and convicted of a most heinous crime: failing to disclose his foreign bank account to the US government. Note-- he was not convicted of tax evasion. He was not convicted of failing to file or pay taxes. His crime was not filing the annual Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBAR).

Because of his failure to disclose his foreign bank account, Wajsfelner is now looking at FIVE YEARS behind bars in a Day-Glo orange jumpsuit.

Oh, one more thing-- Wajsfelner is 83 years old. He was born in Germany during the global depression and rise of Adolf Hitler. The Wajsfelner family soon fled the Nazi regime and made its way to the United States. It was a different world back then.

Sentencing guidelines suggest that Wajsfelner will get some combination of jail time and supervised release to the tune of several years.

Then there's Eric Higgins of Port Huron, Michigan, who was recently busted for major possession of child pornography and engaging in sexually explicit conversations with juveniles online. He was given 20 months. Oh... and Mr. Higgins was a US Customs & Border Patrol agent.

Or Melford Christmas, a US immigration officer from New York, who was given 18 months for demanding and accepting bribes to speed along US citizenship applications of foreign nationals.

Or Ricardo Cordero, another US Customs & Border Patrol officer who was given 27-months for personally smuggling 30 Mexican nationals into the United States, and assisting another smuggler to bring 15 Mexican nationals across the border. This genius even had the smuggler testify as a character witness at his divorce proceeding!

Or Jon Corzine, former CEO of Goldman Sachs and member of the political elite, who presided over one of the largest plunders in the financial system ever seen during the recent MF Global collapse. He walks the streets freely to this day.

It seems pretty clear where the US government stands: the victimless crime of failing to report a foreign bank account is far more egregious than, say, possession of child pornography, engaging with minors in online sex chat, bribery, extortion, fraud, and abuse of official power.

This is what justice means in the Land of the Free today. Have you hit your breaking point yet?

As a parting note, I just want to remind readers once again that US taxpayers with foreign financial accounts are obliged to file form TDF 90-22.1 to the Department of Treasury each year by June 30th, as well as file IRS form 8938 and 1040 schedule B with your normal tax return each year.

It should be clear by now that failing to file is not an option. If you are delinquent in filing from past years, it's much better to catch up and file late than to not file at all.

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Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:00 | 2745418 LawsofPhysics
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Audit and end the fucking Fed. One set of rules for the real owners and one set for everyone else.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:04 | 2745442 ACP
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Don't forget this jackass...arrested, but the investigation "continues"......that is, until it mysteriously "goes away"...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/larry-brinkin-arrested_n_162564...

 

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:13 | 2745460 strannick
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For Progressives, for whom all morality is subjective and there is no right or wrong, of course child porn is less objectionable than the worst crime of all, which is depriving the useless academic progressive class of funds to impose their demented morality on everyone else. They must use taxes to fund their progressive progrram because they are incapable of producing anything of value as they were indoctrinated into believing that such ventures are evil (of course they convieniently forget at that moment that there is no right and wrong). Since they intuitively know better that you (they trust their intutions), are more enlightened (they know all relgions are the same), transcend rationality (western logic ruined the world), they will use force to make you understand that, for your own good.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:14 | 2745480 ACP
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I'm glad you mentioned "elightened"......here is a great quote from a great author:

 

"Enlightened people seldom or never possess a sense of responsibility." -George Orwell
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 03:43 | 2745815 Popo
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So does this mean Simon Black will get locked up too?  Because I'm getting tired of re-reading the same article rehashed a thousand different ways.

Or does it mean that the grand total of 40 worldwide Simon Black readers will sue Simon for encouraging them to hide assets in foreign bank accounts?

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 06:29 | 2745897 Vagabond
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I bet Romney has some hidden foreign accounts he doesn't pay taxes on as well.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 09:06 | 2746159 boiltherich
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What a flaming and intricately puckered asshole you, and your green arrow supporters, are strannick for suggesting that progressives are ALL anything, or that we do not view protection of children as one of the very highest priorities of a civilized society.

This entire article is written to create strife and division by comparing closure of a loophole in the law for the wealthy to the moral and criminal acts of some of the most hot button republican issues, like immigration and porn/sex. If you want to bitch about the governments attempts to collect taxes on wealth hidden in foreign accounts that is one thing, but to compare that patently criminal offenses like kiddy porn and bribery further erodes the credibility of the Tea Party movement which started as a non partisan citizens movement to rationalize governmental powers but was almost instantly co-opted by radical right wingers and their moonbat agendas. Just as the radicals on the left have tried with some success to co-opt the Occupy movement thus killing it stone dead as well. By now the Tea Party movement is nothing more than the far right wing of the GOP.

I am a left liberal progressive and I certainly do not think that 20 months is a satisfactory sentence for trafficking in child porn, nor any of the other examples given above for bribery and other malfeasance in office, and I am not even a Keynesian, I did not even vote for Obama in '08. So don't attempt to paint your opponents with one huge brush and I will in turn try to be considerate of the more rational on the right.

Now, if you want to discuss the issue of tax evasion via foreign bank accounts without bringing into a wide range of inflammatory anecdotes concerning other crimes and criminals while not providing links to their cases so that we can make up our own minds as to the merits of each case then great let's rumble, you might be surprised to find that on that issue we agree even if for different reasons. And you can find agreement with your political opponents sometimes when you act like a responsible adult instead of a shit disturbing adolescent.

I think the spirit of the law regarding foreign bank accounts was well intended, and has actually been the law for a long time, but as with anything complex, especially when an agency of government that is not accountable (IRS) gets involved, it can go badly off the rails. The law about foreign accounts has been around for a while but was not widely abused for purposes of evasion till more recent years, and it was the people who complained that the very rich were using loopholes and evasion to avoid paying a fair share, in response the government cracked down, but foreign banks used secrecy laws to not cooperate. It was getting to be a very serious problem between nations that their banking laws were threatening trade and reprisals over the matter, still are. That was when the requirement that we report the accounts was cooked up and it is the reason I agree with the right about the law.

I have no problem with the governmental power to tax, but I do have a problem with the government requiring people to give up their fifth amendment protections against self incrimination. And that is where the ideological divide here is, most Tea Partiers want to strip the government of the power to tax, and that is their main objection to this law, and they could give fuck all about the 5th amendment which is really what lay at the heart of the problem. If they/you would project the issue as a self incrimination issue rather than saying crazy bullshit about progressives protecting kiddy porn brokers and corrupt government workers and such you would find that a lot on the left like me want to get this law overturned too, as it is you turn off all but the most frothing at the mouth anti government nut cases.

If it is a personal war you want fine, but be ready to get as good as you give with an opponent that is larger than you are, why do you think registered democrats outnumber registered republicans by ten million? But, if you seek common ground and the ability to work together lay off the attacks and start posing issues for what they are and not an ideological crusade to sweep away everything you do not happen to agree with.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 10:53 | 2746299 mraptor
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Why should foreign accounts be taxed at all in the first place !?!

If you do bussness abroad only the country in which you do bussness should tax you !!!

If I remember correctly only USA is taxing it citizens foreign bussnesses. Who knew pinncle of democracy would do such things !

Other things that boggles my mind is, why interest on money you already paid taxes is taxed all over again. Call me crazy but it is not just absurd it is illogical !

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 11:10 | 2746597 boiltherich
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There is more than one issue in your post. The issue of using foreign bank accounts to store/shelter wealth is one, keeping it from the prying eyes of the IRS is the obvious reverse of that coin, the issue of double taxation is another, the issue of jurisdiction is third.

Foreign accounts are not taxed if they contain monies that have already been appropriately declared and taxed, that is not even what this thread is about, the issue of the thread is the forced declaration of the accounts in nations with banking secrecy laws, it is not about taxing accounts but reporting in the first place.

Different people have different reasons for using foreign accounts and mostly these are legitimate and legal, and the only ones the IRS is interested in are those being used to hide wealth that has not had appropriate taxes paid. But, they can't determine which are which if they are secret.

But, first I would like to dispense with the general idea that interest on already taxed money should be exempt. Once income has been declared and taxed THAT MONEY is not subjected to taxes again no matter where you chose to house it. The interest on that money is however NEW income and must still be declared and if tax is due it has to be paid. Your basis for thinking interest is not somehow income would be like saying that stock dividends/capital gains are not new income. Interest is the price or rent you charge for the use of your money. Just as dividends/capital gains are the fees you obtain for use of your money in an equity account. This is a tax on money paid to you for a service you provide and not on the original base funds you provided/lent or "invested." It is not the accounts that are taxed, it is the money placed in foreign accounts upon which taxes either were never paid in the first place or money added based upon the original funds earned within the USA.

Much of the money earned outside the USA is actually exempt from US taxation by international reciprocal tax treaties, if you are earning income in a country with lower taxes than you would have paid in the US that portion of your tax payments are deductible from your US liability, if you are paying taxes on foreign income in a foreign nation with equal or higher taxes you will have no US liability. You can read all about it at the US State Department website.

Here is what the IRS website says about FBAR:

If you have a financial interest in or signature authority over a foreign financial account, including a bank account, brokerage account, mutual fund, trust, or other type of foreign financial account, the Bank Secrecy Act may require you to report the account yearly to the Internal Revenue Service by filing Form TD F 90-22.1, Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (FBAR).

The FBAR is required because foreign financial institutions may not be subject to the same reporting requirements as domestic financial institutions. The FBAR is a tool to help the United States government identify persons who may be using foreign financial accounts to circumvent United States law. Investigators use FBARs to help identify or trace funds used for illicit purposes or to identify unreported income maintained or generated abroad. http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=148849,00.html

If you have paid all legitimate income taxes under the laws of the US and the nation in which they were earned then you have no liability and nothing to fear, so take a deep breath and let that go.

But, I agree that it is a violation of fifth amendment rights against self incrimination otherwise and that the IRS/government has a burden of proof for the crooks that use foreign accounts as tax evasion tools, they need to make it illegal for Americans to open or hold any kind account in a nation that does not comply with international reporting standards, rather than try to force you to essentially testify against yourself. Then they still have the burden of proof that you hold such an account. It violates the spirit of the original intent of the fifth amendment to require self reporting of these accounts because of the possibility that a few others may or may not be trying to "circumvent US law." That would be comparable to a law that says we all have to undergo polygraph tests about our driving habits so that they can catch hit and drivers or habitual speeders.

Last, nothing seems to drive some people over the edge quite like an obligation to the payment of taxes, and in some ways I find it hard to blame them, after all it was one of the most compelling issues that drove the zeal of the revolutionaries that broke us away from the crown. I do want to remind you though that it was not the paying of taxes that was the fuel for that zeal, but the imposition of UNFAIR taxes levied on American colonists that were not levied on anyone else in the empire, coupled with the total lack of representation in parliament in London that was the motivation. Every kid learned TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION by first grade when I was a kid like it was a mantra, I hope they still teach that. And these days we as citizens have to feel we are being taxed without representation again because the government only represents the interests of the very rich and the corporate "citizen." They even openly justify it as what is good for the corporation is good for America... meaning you! This is where the eat your peas saying is rooted, but King George and the parliament essentially paraphrased that very sentiment with the Stamp Act and the taxes on tea and sewing needles and playing cards and everything else.

As a citizen I have no objection to paying FAIR taxes in a republic which affords me representation so I at least can register my beliefs about running the nation, in fact I consider that a duty and honor. But, in a nation run by for and of the elite and wealthy corporate investor class where I am marginal at best and a useless eater by some standards then I say if it is run for the benefit of the rich let the rich pay all the taxes. We can deal with them as the treacherous criminals they are when we again are the sovereigns in this country.

Even as a left liberal gay man with progressive views I agree that the American Revolution did not end with the surrender of Cornwallis at Yorktown, the spirit of freedom must be kept alive in every citizen for all time or the nation we gained is lost again. Corporations are not citizens and need to be taught their place or face extinction, government has to remember who is sovereign and constantly beg the governed for it's consent to govern. Those are AMERICAN values, not left or right values, they are not political but fundamental to a life worth living.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 13:11 | 2747039 nugjuice
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A very well written, intelligent, and logical post. It was so logical in fact that I'll forgive the "liberal" at the end of it ;)

But seriously, you're absolutely right. That's why I've been bitching about inflation, it's positively a tax without representation which is the reason we fought for our Independence in the first place. It's a cryin' shame.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 17:32 | 2747990 mraptor
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Agree on the point of evading taxes. But I think USA and other western countries are approaching the point where even normal people will stop paying taxes. No law can stop that.

I've been in a contries where almost everybody pays only the minum taxes and all the corrupt power of the gov. can't make them pay. As you probably already know only ~50% of american citizens and residents pay taxes.

There is a threshold at which it will become a mass event even in USA.

You are saying about people evading taxes using secrecy of other countries laws... but If the income and profit is not incurred doing bussness in USA why should they pay. If they hide income generated in USA then IRS can go ahead and sue them.

Making it a law doesn't make it moral. And if we insist on democracy it is undemocratic because only USA is doing it. In a sense USA is stealing money from all the countries over the world, the income were generated on their soil !!!

Can you tell me why the richest most democratic country in the world would do this !

I understand the motivation is to collect more taxes, ... still .... it is unfair and unciviliced and undemocratic..

 

Mon, 09/03/2012 - 05:21 | 2757261 boiltherich
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As you probably already know only ~50% of american citizens and residents pay taxes.

 

Can't go that far dude, way more than half of all workers pay income taxes. It is true that less than half of Americans pay INCOME taxes, but that is because only about half of Americans are in the labor force and of those many are dirt fucking poor in spite of full time employment.

Also, there are people that have income but between deductions and exemptions they pay no taxes upon that and there are some good reasons for that which defy blanket right wing categorizations.

I have $3,762 per month income which is IRS income tax exempt, because the law of the land says that it is not income, it is compensation for a loss. If you are walking along and get hit by a truck and you cannot ever work again the settlement from the trucker/insurance company is not taxed because that check they cut is not income, it is replacement for a loss you sustained. In a nation of a third of a billion people there are going to be at least 3 million such people.

But even they and I still pay taxes and lots of them. My cable bill each month is about 15% taxes. My phone and utility bills each month are each about 10% taxes. In Oregon we do not have sales taxes, a major reason why I moved here, but in 47 states sales taxes eat 5-10% of ever dollar you spend. Gasoline? Guess what, a ton of tax. I rent an apartment and so a lot of you think I don't pay property taxes, and you are as wrong as wrong can get, this property is assessed and has a tax bill which the landlord pays and passes through to renters in the form of higher rents. In fact the only tax I do not pay is income tax, and at my level of income that is not such a huge break anyway. Same for people on food stamps, but the problem for them is that taxes that take ten or twenty percent of their income when they are already in poverty leaves them just deeper in poverty, for the wealthy you can take 90% and they would still be wealthy by comparison. And that is how it used to be in America in the 50's and 60's and we were ALL better off. Every "tax cut" has lead to an erosion of our society and it is now so severe that I honestly doubt the nation will survive the wealth inequality, I can practically assure of it because I really and sincerely want the rich boiled and there are more that want that than there are fascists to stop them.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:17 | 2745481 flacon
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The fucking ass shit fuck thing about being an American is that you are never not one, even when you are multiple other nationalities. This citizenship is hanigng around my neck like and albatross and if I was to relinquish it I'd be charged with tax evasion like the fucker from FB. American citizenship is a massive LIABILITY not an asset. What on earth does one gain by being American.... oh... I know.... a vote for Obamney. 

 

Even here... the question is "Are you a US Citizen" even when I am others as well.... ok... well... Am I? Yes. FUCK ME!

There are only two countries in the world that tax their citizens when they earn income outside the nation... those countries are USA and USA-Phillipines. Go fuck yourself Uncle Sam! 

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:22 | 2745499 Dr. No
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"Shut up, you American. You Americans, all you do is talk, and talk, and say "let me tell you something" and "I just wanna say." Well, you're dead now, so shut up. "

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 00:08 | 2745671 poor fella
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Hahaha! The Meaning of Life

It's a Mr. Death come about the reaping..

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 08:42 | 2746077 smlbizman
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i had a guy working for us years ago in the mid 90's..when he filled out his w-4...he checked he did not plan on paying fed. taxes, i asked him wtf? he said he renounced his citizenship and was part of a lawsuit against the fed as part of the washitaw(?) indian tribe....this guy was maybe 10th generation....he also had a card that exempted him from sales tax, and had an internaitional drivers license....he was governed under international law, the genova convention...i.e.  he did not have to wear seatbelts...he got pulled over and it would take awhile because the cops are ignorant to laws but eventually he was sent on his way....he said the only thing he lost by renouncing was...his right to vote....this lawsuit started under clinton and i think it was settled under bushs first term...he also pointed out a document put in place in early to mid 70's about our country being put under martial law, that is why we had gold tassles on our flag...now at that point in my life, like all of us at that time we were unknowingly sheep...i know there were a handfull that knew but you get my point.....if u google washitaw..not sure of the spelling it will verify...this guy was as dumb as a person could be...but when it came to the above info he was on it...at the time i verified and even printed off forms to renounce, but.....

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 09:48 | 2746321 boiltherich
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Washitaw Nation Comes Under Investigation

You must be referring to this, it is actually a pretty interesting read. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/1999/spring/born-on-the-bayou?page=0,1

Federal officials expected Weeks to testify against Charbonnier in the case, but when it finally went to trial in 1997 both men claimed immunity from U.S. law under the theory that they were citizens of Washitaw Nation. Despite Weeks' refusal to testify, officials say, Charbonnier was convicted of fraud.

This "Washitaw" nation has nothing to do with the Ouachita Tribe. It is a major scam built up by a woman claiming that black Africans came to the new world long before whites and now seek a separatist course, but it is nothing more than a huge organized crime syndicate, well, not HUGE, but several hundred to a couple thousand individuals like your friend you describe above. The "tribe" he claims to be part of is not a Native American tribe at all, has no treaty with the federal government, and has no legitimacy.

Do have a read at the link I posted, it is actually almost like a novel in it's plot and complexity, yet is simply nothing more than a very elaborate scam. If I were a Native American I would be really pissed off about it because these scammers are cashing in on their credibility and inheritance.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 15:57 | 2747686 smlbizman
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yea i used to laugh to my self, because i lived in this area my whole life and the area he was from were from long established black familys most likely from slave/farm days in this area, but i fugured if you look hard enough we all are part of some distant tribe somewhere...his real name was, not exactly but ,like ed johnson...but he changed it to el akim etc....he was an honest dude just not very smart...i did witness his drivers license and his tax exempt card and also our payroll dept. never withheld any tax and i never heard from any authority about this...thanks for the ink i will read the beauty of zero hedge..how many others have ever heard of the washitaw nation...

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 18:10 | 2748084 boiltherich
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Foreign nationals attached to their government can claim diplomatic immunity from taxes while they are in the USA and that includes income, sales, and property taxes, the State Department issues a card.  But, the only way I can imagine a tribal member getting one is if they sue for recognition as an Indian nation and a judge issues a temporary injuction to allow them that status while the issue is pending, but I have to repeat, the Washitaw "tribe" you refered to is not a Native American tribe at all and for them to prove they should have that status, that their story of coming to North America centuries before Columbus, well it is horse shit. 

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 23:26 | 2745600 knukles
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With my neo-con golf buds today, I had to finally put it to rest.  I told them that Republicans and Democrats are really and truly the one and same big government statists neither of which gave a rats ass about decreasing the size and scope of gubamint, neither of which will do fuck all about reducing the debt levels of the Leviathan, neither of which will reduce the regulatory burden and perhaps most importantly, neither of which will rid us of the constittittytutional shredding by virtue of all the Glorious American Hero and Listen to My Phone etc., Acts.

And after they started bellyaching I told them I did not want to hear about their fucking politics and if they really and truly wanted to know where I stood, that Republicans are at a minimum, Fucking Hypocrites while the Democrats were at best just plain Evil.

I didn't want to hear a fucking thing more, they had their chance with Ron Paul, pissed him away so quit fucking bellowing.
You walked away from Ron Paul, you walked away from America.
And go suck Nancy Pelosi's cock.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 23:53 | 2745639 otto skorzeny
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you sure golf alot-Barack-is that you? also-Pelosi turns me on for some reason

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 07:01 | 2745923 francis_sawyer
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You screwed yourself knuck...

Now they're going to make you hole out every 2 footer... Better go practice your short game...

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 05:18 | 2745854 slewie the pi-rat
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well, sounds like you've reached YOUR "bp" k-nuk!

this is a very big question here!

are we s'posed to go insane over this now too?  L0L!!!

competency no longer important to anyone?

 

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 06:30 | 2745899 Benjamin Glutton
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Republicans are at a minimum, Fucking Hypocrites while the Democrats were at best just plain Evil.

 

at a minimum they are both evil hypocrites,imo.

 

 

 

 

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 08:03 | 2745987 BeetleBailey
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Way to go knukles...I too, have had enough...with either side...I laugh in their faces....both sides.....lefties are total fucking idiots...while righties are too fucking religious/war mongering fucktards....both "sides" are fucking pathetic....

Most people I know know I read lots more data, and are not fooled.....it is a shame that people are trans-fixed by fucking FOX and the msnbc leftist ass-bag media...a shame....

I'd call out every god damned politician for the fucking LIARS they all are.....

I laugh and point fingers when some douche says "Did you hear _____ speech?" LOL...suckers....I always retort "...and you believed them? WHAT A RUBE!!!!" I LAUGH AND LAUGH....

My own plan is the denounce....and I will....move out of this once proud nation, that is now second to China, and it's bitch for all intent and purposes......

FUCK...THE US GOVERNMENT OF LYING BASTARDS......

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 02:33 | 2745777 Ar-Pharazôn
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creation of wealth?????? BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!  /sarc

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 04:50 | 2745853 Hobbleknee
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This is the way it is in Sweden too.  Criminals rape little girls and get no jail time, but if you're a tax cheat, you're locked away forever.  Their rationale is: rape is a crime against one person.  Tax evasion is a crime against everyone.

Of course no roules apply to Swedish women, who get away with anything.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 05:34 | 2745867 slewie the pi-rat
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if you've ever been in a jail in sweden, did they ever say anything like:  don't do the crime if ya can't do the...   ?

do you know how that goes?

people don't understand this?

are you sure that is the legal reasoning behind these jail/prison sentences?  can you give us a link?  the were not crimes against society?  because the goobermint rules about collectinity were not violated strongly enough?

and you do realize this guy has not been sentenced yet;  so this is just a "kitcoCasey pre-sentencing 'amicus' brief isn't it?

informal of course since the issue of legal competency has or has not been determined for this poor old immigrant gentleman victim? 

or isn't tjhat important?

if grampa rapes somebody and is just gonzo, do they castrate him because he is old, too? 

perhaps if he were in sweden he could argue it was just a crime of passion to lie about his offshore banking and taxes or that it was a vice or he couldn't think straight because he was thinking if frilly panties while filling out his tax forms?

what the fuk are you people on here?

hasn't anyone ever been in a courtroom?

huere in the crazy old USA we are expected to either not show up and get fuked or go in and answer with a legal argument to defend the bahavior

well.. sometimes...  i mean if you actually are IN a court dock, it helps doesn't it?

don't people notice if ya can't think straight there, either?

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 04:56 | 2745855 Acet
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Great straw man you have setup there. I really loved the way you yourself put the "progressive" label on it and stated that it has all sorts of clearly negative characteristics and then proceeded to tear down the dummy you yourself raised.

Well done!

 

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 07:27 | 2745946 bobnoxy
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And based on the up arrows, that passes for brilliant in here. Think back to ruthless dictators like Saddam, Hitler or Stalin. What's the first thing they do when they gain power?

They purge the smart people. You know, the highly educated ones, the lawyers, doctors, professors, anyone smart enough to lead an opposition movement. And since we know that the smartest people in this country are liberals, (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-26/health/liberals.atheists.sex.intellig...) that could be extrapolated into surmising that we are the only thing standing between you dumb fuckers and someone like Bush III and the next version of his Patriot Act.

You conservatives crack me up. You scream about Obama being a Socialist, yet you're first in line for the handouts! I keep asking which of you will refuse your Social Security and Medicare on principle. No takers.

Asshat Midwest farmers overwhelmingly believe Obama is a Socialist and must be removed. Yet they're lining up now for their government supported crop insurance.

How long will it be before that little douchebag Jindal starts scereaming for federal assistance for damage caused by the storm?

This is why this country has no future. Too many truly stupid people, conservatives, and look no further than what you teach your kids in Texas and Kansas for proof. You're running this country into the ditch, voting in buffoons like Bush and Reagan.

It's your fault. You own it. Liberals are smart enough to leave. Good luck with what's left, okay? I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out...HA!! Now that was funny!

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 08:56 | 2746128 Oldwood
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So when the shit finally hits the fan, all of us conservatives, standing in bread lines, will be the ultimate hypocrites. The federal government taxes the hell out of the states and when shit happens the states are supposed to sit on their hands and do without, on principle? If that is the standard all progressives should just refuse to work rather than submit to evil business interests and just live on government handouts...ah, maybe you are standing on principle! Cause if you are still working, you must be a sellout.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 09:09 | 2746172 bobnoxy
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You started off well there, then ended with a typical, ignorant thud. The government hands a lot of money back to the states every year, and offers things like military protection for the states too. How did you miss all that?

I never said the states should refuse government handouts. I said you asshats calling Obama and liberals Socialists should. You missed that by a mile, as usual.

If I'm still working, it's either because I don't have enough to retire on, like you, or I enjoy what I do, like Buffett, or I'm just pursuing my own selfish best interests, and I'm sure you dumb fuck Randians would applaud that, right?

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 13:36 | 2747109 mkkby
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The fact that you think one side is any different than the other proves you don't have the intellect to wipe your own ass either.  (Here's a hint... stop licking your hand clean afterwards).

Of course, you are just a troll for the kenyan muslim.  He criticized everything Bush did, then didn't change a single policy -- including a renewal of that patriot act (what, no veto?), and adding a few more wars without ending the last ones he promised to end. 

Too easy -- fuck you blue troll or red troll.  It's all just the purple banker party.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:58 | 2745538 TruthInSunshine
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To:         American Citizens & Patriots

 

From:     Emily Warburg-Rothschild

             Executive Vice President at Dewey, Cheatam & Howe, PLLC

             Chief Public Relations Agent for The Hon. Jon S. Corzine

 

Good evening friends. As we approach the Labor Day Holiday weekend, I wanted to write something that encapsulates the attitude and spirit of my friend and client, The Hon. Jon S. Corzine, in response to what is now correctly being perceived as a "double standard" of justice being more frequently doled out by archaic, illogical and, quite frankly, embarassing laws (both statutory and common law), with an even more embarrassing record of inconsistent and arbitrary application of these laws, coupled with irrational and unjust punishment in the form of byzantine sentencing guidelines and standards utilized by our judicial system.

The Hon. Jon S. Corzine does not believe that laws "on the books" should be permanent fixtures of ours or any society, and that real progress in furthering the implementation of a truly fair legal system requires constant modification, updating & evolution of current laws, along with wholesale repeal of certain laws & the introduction of new laws, to fully keep our society on a path towards making modern punishment and modern crimes meet at a logical and fair intersection, with no preferential treatment shown towards the wealthy, connected or those who are in places of great power and privilege.

Although we've yet to see a single high level executive of a banking, financial or Wall Street entity, nor any regulators or employees at various government agencies charged and convicted for actions that clearly were violative of both the spirit and actual text of existing laws intended to protect the U.S. citizenry from financial tomfoolery, much of which led to the financial and economic meltdown in 2008 (with profoundly adverse economic effects that linger to this day), The Hon. Jon S. Corzine still remains optimistic that there is positive change in the air in terms of bringing about a more full, fair and impartial system that will ultimately dramatically mitigate against such future crimes of avarice and unmitigated greed.

In closing, as you take time to enjoy the upcoming holiday weekend with friends & family, The Hon. Jon S. Corzine  would like to remind everyone that he remains confident that we will inevitably have a more complete, fair and logical system of law & order than that which exists presently, and that those of us who always have and will continue to "play by the rules" will see their faith in our system of law & order restored.

 

Sincerely,

 

Emily Warburg-Rothschild

Executive Vice President at Dewey, Cheatam & Howe, PLLC

Chief Public Relations Agent for The Hon. Jon S. Corzine

 

*Dewey, Cheatam & Howe is the world's premier public relations and public opinion shaping consulting firm, with offices in London, New York City, Paris, Zurich, Naples, Tokyo, Dubai & Tel Aviv.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 23:09 | 2745568 Daily Bail
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Brilliant stuff, Truth In Sunshine.

In case ZH readers missed this interview earlier today on Bloomberg.

It's worth the time.

Chris Whalen And Barry Ritholtz With Bloomberg's Tom Keene: "The Big 4 Banks Have To Cheat To Hide Their Insolvency"
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 06:58 | 2745922 Hype Alert
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That was a good interview.  I'm just surprised Keene didn't try to fluff Krugman somewhere in that.  He doesn't miss too many opportunities.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 23:47 | 2745629 dbomb12
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And dont forget the King of Kings Micheal Milken

indicted on 98 counts of racketeering and securities fraud in 1989 as the result of an insider trading investigation. After a plea bargain, he pled guilty to six securities and reporting violations but was never convicted of racketeering or insider trading. Milken was sentenced to ten years in prison and permanently barred from the securities industry by the Securities and Exchange Commission. After the presiding judge reduced his sentence for cooperating with testimony against his former colleagues and good behavior, he was released after less than two years.

And now runs the The Milken Institute

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 00:25 | 2745692 FeralSerf
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That didn't keep him from comitting more securities fraud:

Michael Milken, 60,000 Deaths, and the Story of Dendreon 

http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/education/books/news.php?q=12470...

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:13 | 2745474 ACP
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 01:10 | 2745729 e-man
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Chinese banks step up lending in the US

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/90cd25de-ec9b-11e1-8e4a-00144feab49a.html#axzz24uMGkZbw

Finally, I can outsource my banking needs to China.   Whoohoo!

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 21:58 | 2745421 AldousHuxley
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you forget that judges of justice are government employees....they work for the government running on tax revenues....of course they want foreign accounts taxed.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 23:34 | 2745612 LMAOLORI
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So you must not have any problems then with Mitt Romney having his money in an off shore account then right? Good to hear because I'm more interested in what he does with my money!

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 07:05 | 2745924 Hype Alert
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What does it matter?  If he took his money and bought a retirement home in that country, is that a crime?  Is that suspicious?  No. 

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 00:22 | 2745687 Antifaschistische
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Yes Hux, but the Jury!  The Jury!  We still have some limited influence over the jury, even though honest ZHers would be immediately dismissed, we can still influence others...who may be on a jury.

IGNORE THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE JUDGES!!  FOLLOW YOUR HEART IF YOU CAN'T FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC.  DO NOT CONVICT FELLOW CITIZENS FOR MEANINGLESS PSEUDO-CRIMES.   THIS IS WHAT THE ESTABLISHMENT FEARS THE MOST.  A JURY RESISTANCE MOVEMENT!!

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 02:43 | 2745784 Ar-Pharazôn
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and tell me, who puts judges at their seat?

 

dont know in USA but in Switzerland that's the political parties.....

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:01 | 2745430 AldousHuxley
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Looks like Romney is going to jail

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:41 | 2745525 bigwavedave
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Mitt Romney believes the writings of ancient prophets who lived on the American continent from approximately 2200 BC to AD 421.

And that my friends should tell you what we are in for. Have a quick glance at this and please tell me how this man can be the 'leader of the free world'?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon 

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:54 | 2745556 tmosley
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Can sociopaths believe in any religion that doesn't put themselves at the top?

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 05:02 | 2745859 Acet
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Sociopaths have no higher beliefs, be it religious or ideological since they have no concern whatsoever for other people and thus no morals.

They will, however, tell you whatever they think you need to hear in order for you to do what they want, including stating that they believe in X.

So is the nature of the socipath.

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