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Guest Post: U.S.A. 2012: Is This What We've Become?
Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds
U.S.A. 2012: Is This What We've Become?
Incentivize victimhood, fraudulent accounting of income/collateral and gaming the system, and guess what you get? A nation of liars and thieves.
Memorial Day is traditionally a day to speak of sacrifices made in combat. Like much of the rest of life in America, it has largely become artificial, a hurried "celebration" of frenzied Memorial Day marketing that is quickly forgotten the next day.
Instead of participating in this rote (and thus insincere) "thank you for your sacrifice" pantomime, perhaps we should ask what else has been sacrificed in America without our acknowledgement. Perhaps we should look at the sacrifices that need to be made but which are cast aside in our mad rush to secure "what we deserve."
The unvarnished reality is that most Americans have no idea what service members experienced in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they don't want to know. When 4,488 white crosses were erected on a hillside to remind us of all those who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq, people didn't like it, labeling it "unpatriotic."
That is not the real reason, of course; what is more patriotic than keeping those who served and sacrificed fresh in our awareness? One reason those 4,000 crosses make us uncomfortable is that they remind us of being conned by our civilian leadership into "wars of choice."
Another is that the reality of war and its long aftermath are not sufficiently "uplifting" for a brittle nation that prefers the distractions of "reality" TV to an acknowledgement of our problems and the sacrifices made and yet to be made.
Longtime readers know that one of my embedded concerns is the disconnect between the civilian populace and the U.S. Armed Forces. This disconnect starts with raw numbers: THANK YOU TO THE 0.45% of the population who served in the Global War on Terror (2001 to present).
Personnel are costly, not just in civilian life but in the Armed Forces, too, and so the Pentagon has "downsized" the Armed Forces to a smaller but more professional force. This reflects not just budgetary realities but the evolution of modern warfare.
But it's not just that fewer serve because fewer are needed; the number of civilians who want to know and want to acknowledge the experience of those who serve is dwindling everywhere, from Congress to the media to the living rooms of the nation.
The Pentagon has reinforced this disconnect by controlling media access and coverage of its wars, and the media has complied to "control costs" and "give the public what it wants." Survey the media "consumers" and you find few want more coverage of the war or its consequences. So the five dominant media corporations offer up more of what people say they want: faked circus-like "entertainment" in which carefully selected competititors vie for the highest "prize" in modern America, a moment in the media spotlight. The appetite for "news" that trumps up trivialities and senseless, sensationalist crimes is equally insatiable.
Propaganda and marketing are the dominant forces in America, along with a willingness to suspend reality to avoid whatever is complex, knotty, difficult or painful.
Is this what we've become, a nation so fearful of the truth that we shun it, avoid it, or paper it over at every turn? It would seem so.
To take but one Memorial-Day example, we now "outsource" war just as we outsource manufacturing, and we ignore the sacrifices of those who replaced enlisted Armed Forces--even when many are ex-service members: Contractor Deaths Exceed Military Ones in Iraq and Afghanistan (2010). At the peak of the Iraq War, 150,000 "contractors" were in-theater so our civilian "leadership" could claim to have reduced the "headcount" of military personnnel serving in Iraq.
As with everything else in America, the artifice was swallowed whole because the truth was too ugly and difficult for us to bear. The sacrifices of our contractors in Iraq have been ignored by everyone: the Pentagon, the politicians and the public. Nobody wants to acknowledge the losses of those we hired to replace "official" soldiers, even though many of those contractors were ex-U.S. Armed Forces service members.
In Welfare State America, exaggerating victimhood and negating family, community and integrity are all heavily rewarded: that's how you get the gamed disability and a host of other entitlements.
Since credentials and grades are trumpeted as the foundation of financial security, then cheating on schoolwork and exaggerating accomplishments have become accepted norms.
Incentivize victimhood, fraudulent accounting of income/collateral and gaming the system, and guess what you get? A nation of liars and thieves.
All of whom claim "I had no other choice."
That is a sickness that cannot be cured with a pill.
The excuses are legion and varied. Everybody else is cheating, too. Look at the crooks at the top. If I told the truth, I wouldn't get the job/mortgage/entitlement/degree etc.
Everyone is to blame except ourselves, of course; we are powerless. Yet we continue to elect politicians who tell us what we want to hear, lies that sooth our insecurities and fears, politicians who have doubled the national debt in a few years and indentured future generations so our precious share of the pie remains untouched.
Living within our means is now either "impossible" or a sin re-branded "austerity." So we borrow staggering sums every year to maintain the artifice that the contraption of lies, leverage and debt is sustainable, because we have become so brittle and diminished that we cannot bear the truth or our responsibility for the fetid trash-heap that is the national psyche.
We don't care if the nation spends the lifetime Medicare taxes of ten workers ($30,000 lifetime taxes paid, $300,000-$500,000 spent on each beneficiary) in the last few months or years of each elderly beneficiary's life, because 1) it's profitable for those at the trough and 2) we're powerless to change it.
But that's just another lie, stacked on the immense mountain of lies we have piled up in the past decade: we just want our ten lifetime-taxes paid because "we paid our share."
So never mind that we're borrowing the equivalent of the entire GDP of Germany every two years-- ($3 trillion)--and that's just Federal borrowing. Of course the true extent of Federal borrowing is cloaked and obfuscated with tricks such as "supplemental appropriations," so the "headline number" is just another untruth passed off as fact--just like the unemployment rate and the GDP itself.
Add in private debt and local-government bond issuance (often for projects that were once paid for out of general fund tax revenues) and we're borrowing more like the GDP of Germany and France every two years, with no other future in sight.
The word "sacrifice" has been sacrificed on the altar of expediency. The politicians we elect (those who dare speak the truth of our impoverishment and complicity don't get elected--we abhor and fear the truth) have ground the word "sacrifice" into meaningless with overuse; it now means nothing but yet another clarion-call to swallow lies and artifice to protect our share of the loot.
The government can't be the problem, because the government issues me a nice check every month.
And so we cling to easy falsehoods. If only the 1% paid their fair share, all our problems would be solved.
The 1% should pay their fair share, but that isn't the problem; the top 1% already pay a significant share of income taxes collected; doubling that amount changes nothing about the long-term insolvency of our entitlements and crony-capitalist Empire.
The problem is our consumerist, Central-State dominated society/economy that depends on ever-rising debt and and leverage is unsustainable, and placating ourselves with expedient simplicities that shift the accountability and responsibility from ourselves to someone or something else solves nothing.
This reliance on excuses, denial and expediency is the hallmark of adolescence; in adulthood, these are the hallmarks of failure and pathology.
Is this what we've become, brittle, simulacra "grown-ups" who are incapable of acknowledging the truth of our situation? If we cannot dare acknowledging reality, then how can we solve our problems? If we cannot bear an awareness of our systemic rot and unsustainability, then how can we move past denial and expediency?
If we have lost the ability to live within our means and to acknowledge difficult facts, then we have lost everything: our national integrity, our ability to problem-solve, our vigor and our future.
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I love my country but i hate the government, and what they have become demacrat and republican = republicrats. Its been hyjacked by an elite group of ultra elites, we are seeing the face of the moster reveal itself slowly, they cant hide it anymore, the problems are too big. If you are a partisan then i think you are misguided. I believe the Dems have a sledgehammer and the Repubs have a framing hammer and they are trying to fix a peice of broken china(the broken system) with these hammers. Both of these hammers broke the system and you cant fix a broken system with the things that broke it in the 1st place
Where is that little neo nazi trav? I feel like popping a pimple.
Trav has joined a White Nationalist militia, and is currently attending weekend manuvers.
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for America.
Ron Paul schools Ben Bernanke on inflation: http://www.planbeconomics.com/2012/02/29/ron-paul-lectures-ben-bernanke-on-inflation/
SACRIFICE.
TO WHOM?
TO THE EURO OLIGARCH ELITE.
In Italia, as in Greece and Spain, fathers are sacrificing their sons and then commiting suicide:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/21/italian-dad-throws-kids-off-balc...
Central governments are obsolete. They just haven't figured it out yet. The internet changes everything. Governments can't put it back in the box because they need the internet just as much as everyone else. But the internet is not the final word on personal liberation.
The day we achieve cheap, independent household energy technology, will be the day government becomes completely irrelevant.
The internet changes everything.
Which is why they are waging total war against it... and winning, sad to say.
No one gives a damn about the Internet itself, only about the next iteration of iCrap that their neighbor might get before they do.
This is an awesome article!
It's not like war porn is at everyone's fingertips,
the local news keeps body counts like it is a sporting event,
and more Americans died in LA and CHIC via homicide than did in two war zones over the same time period.
I know it is a very tough concept,
the day the world collectively approves of America's actions is the day to start taking heed of the doomsday posts around here.
Revealed: Hundreds of words to avoid using online if you don't want the government spying on you (and they include 'pork', 'cloud' and 'Mexico')
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150281/REVEALED-Hundreds-words-avoid-using-online-dont-want-government-spying-you.html
revealed: 51% of americans and 100% of non-americans do not pay the taxes that fund the US military industrial complex!
Please, they pay everyone else's income tax,
they tax everything but the air we breathe and the crap that comes out of our asses.
That's an informative article about the domestic spying, thanks for taking the time to post it.
I stopped ending my posts with Aslam Alekem because I thought it may be on such a list and it isn't.:D
If anyone sees a firefox update that purposely mispells those words please relay it along.
Not a very good list, IMO, and probably a red herring. I wouldn't put much stock in it, as almost all of those keywords are ones which average people might use after watching the cable news networks. It's too broad, and would bury any regulators in a tsunami of false alarms.
The real search algos probably use combinations of words in context, and incorporate more technical terms. This list is just a head-fake to get average people to self-censor. I hope it fails miserably- there is almost no context in which a people should fear their government to the extent that they avoid using terms like flu and power outage. The vast majority of uses for those terms are completely benign.
How about this for red flags?
Hey, Government officials- if you don't stay at least 100 miles from my home, I will muster a militia to protect my family and neighbors from your thugs. Superior technology will not help you- I am one of those who helps design and make that technology, and I do not volunteer all the ideas I have to improve those weapons. Should the time come, I will use my insights to take the technological superiority out of your hands and place it into the hands of real Americans who will honor our Constitution. We will not strike the first blow, but neither will we allow ourselves to be murdered by those who have no right to our liberty or property. We are neither your cattle nor your slaves, and if you want to keep your skins where they are, you will stop pontificating, stop planning to rob and kill us, and get the fuck out of the way so that we can go back to living human lives in peace. The only thing you can do to help is to surrender and go home.
Somehow, I have little fear that the men in black will be knocking down my door tomorrow for this. If you want to know just how competent the US government is, go to the DMV or an airport.
BREAKING NEWS: Bear Stearns collapsed because of silver derivatives. JP Morgan to implode the same way.
http://hf-implode.com/viewnews/2012-05-26_ButlerSilverDerivativesTrueCau...
BREAKING NEWS: Canadian First Majestic Silver Corp. suffers major defeat in legal battle against Native American Tribe. Half a million acres have been declared SACRED GROUND and will NEVER BE MINED: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/mexico-promises-to-prot...It was always the Silver Dagger. The resonating chamber here has a hard time believing that.
But anyways, the US is birthed in war, senseless cruelty, mass animal slaughter, wanton or designed destruction of all that was/is Sacred/holy to the natives (see mount rushmore and the 4 masonic fuck-faces on it as one mere example)..
Any wonder you have been at war most of your little 200 + year experiment?
Look at this board itself as an example. Guns, guts, Glory.
Gloryhole existence masqurading as the world's most advanced nation-state.
Except for the eminently fake period from 1945 to 1995, the time it took for the war surplus to be spent, it's been a ripping off of the charade.
Why is anyone surprised? nuclear bombs, White phosphorous, torture, rape... Abu Gharib, Guntanamo...back, back, back... same story.... heck, you had essential slavery till less than 50 years ago....
C'mon America, wake the fuck up for your own sakes. Take a genuine peaceful step back.
Asleep at the wheel of life, careening down the Hiiiiighway to wherever...what...evaaaaahhhhh.....
...
/un-holy-smoke-and-biblical-fire-from-the-sky/
US citizenism has been on the same course since inception.
Actually, one could argue that US citizenism has been being cleansed from allogenous influence from previous social orders, like honour, an obsolete notion inherited from the past which appeared quite often in early US citizen papers and that finally had to mean nothing in a US citizen society.
US citizenism is appearing clear from any influence. It is shining with no other shadows cast on it. We are about to experience pure US citizenism.
If you ever see an antiviral Iraq home grown pork wearing a hazmat in the middle of a radioactive plume, you may be a victim of Agro Terror.
I would add to your comment that the numbers of paid professional politicians is too big and the centralization of power is absolutely irrelevant. We inherited the political system from the 18th-19th century and we are using it in the IT age of internet.
I watched the movie Game Change yesterday (it is about the vice-president candidate Sarah Palin) and I think that it perfectly described what is happening in the american politics right now. We are not electing PROFESSIONALS, we are electing MOVIE-STARS. This is not just the problem of US but also of many other countries. No surprise that these people don´t have any clue about the problems of our society (poverty, bad education, high household debt) or they use their political powers for irrelevant policy goals (wars with no reason).
We are being constantly convinced that we are unique individuals, but this is just a lie. As somebody mentioned here in the discussion, the majority of Americans vote for Republicans or Democrats, even they failed their opportunity to govern many times.
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A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for an ideal called Liberty. Fuck your patriotic bullshit. A vote for America. SHEEIIITTT! USA! USA! USA! Fuck Yeah!
As for those retards who squeal disingenuously;" Why vote for RP: What has he achieved Listen up you dolts, we're voting for an ideal not the man. He's not a saviour, he's a representative of an idea. It might as well be Joe the Plumber, as long as he represented the ideal, or a drovers dog for that matter. In fact, the dog might be a better idea. They don't misinterpret laws at all and you can train them to maul the first treasonous prick who tries to.
When it comes to "democracy" the sad truth is that voters -in the US and in EVERY AND ALL countries- always make their decisions based on THE PERSON they vote for. NEVER do they vote for an ideal unless you consider FREE LUNCH an ideal.
Ultimate Dog Tease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw (1:21)
I vote for whoever pushes the most wasteful agenda. Free lunches? Hell, why not!? Get paid to have illegitimate babies? Sounds good! Drug addict Geezers want free shit? Give them 10x's what they asked for. Support Israel? Hell yeah! Make it a double! Anything that hastens the path toward destruction is A-OK with moi. Cheers! Peace, Out :)
Los Zetas, Dirty bomb, Sonora, Narcos, Methlab :)
In 1992 America had the best chance in 80 years to dump the 2 parties and elect a third party, but 40% of the voters will vote Dem and 40% Rep no matter what you say. Maybe the have patronage jobs, family traditions, whatever, they will never switch. So our only hope for change is a good guy winning the primaries. If the Hawaiian piece of shit can beat Hillary we can do it too!
A vote for RP is a complete waste. Why prolong the inevitable? Let go! Let it all crash and burn. Makes no difference what choices are made now. Just waitin for the Ameraslut (fat lady) to sing. Like pullin off a bandaid quickly, you'll be happier the sooner we get to reset.
I am Shiva, destroyer of Worlds :)
FARC, IED, Homegrown, IRA, Target, Jihad
Hopefully with live ammo.
And why don't you go join him? You won't be missed.
I also love my Country.
But I much prefer my Rock and Roll. Give me some ELO to soothe my soul.
And, like MacA., he shall return.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQVuD3jN_vc oh, did you say elo?
Here is your ELO
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/27/memorial-day-time-to-ask-why/
Holy SHIT! 21 Down votes for a joke?
Seig Heil you dumb fucks! Totalitarianism is too good for your tight little asses.
The time for rhetorical reflection has LONG DEPARTED.
"We" have not "become" what the author above identifies as problematic.
The Problem IS Our Nation has been STOLEN from US by Fraud and Deception. Our Elected Officials at every level of local to Federal Gov't are corrupt and have Betrayed US and their Oath Of Office. This is not tantamount to Treason; It Is Treason!
The US has been taken down by the same crew of criminals that funded the Russian Revolution. The Czar was the world's richest man, and TPTB wanted his money and his power. They found their lackeys then, just as they found the current batch in Congress and Federal Courts, not to mention all the Professions, but especially Accounting, Law, Medicine, and Education.
America has been hemoraghing money since WW-II. The Fraud that is implicit within Derivatives has enabled TPTB to achieve America's Destruction for only a fraction of the cost of a nuclear device. TPTB may as well have deployed Red Mercury or Neutron bombsl; we are that effectively fucked and ruined. Fucked; just like the original understanding of the word: Completely Ruined, never to be same again...
Laurence Kotlikoff, tenured prof of Economics published an article in Aug 09 where he cited his calculations that US Federal exposure to acknowledged Federal Debt & Unfunded Mandates already committed to amounted then to over $207 Trillion Dollars. Likely his numbers were 50% conservative. Even more likely is that by now they have doubled...
Those who take governmental office in positions where they are entrusted with power to affect all citizens are typically required by local, state, or Federal Law to swear an oath to uphold Constitution of The US and not betray the citizens they serve, nor to use their office/position for personal profit.
Impossible to grasp that we are in dire straits we're in by accident and happenstance. What is happening in the world and in Our Nation is deliberate and planned ruin.
If you still have questions and uncertainties, it just means you haven't been paying attention...
Lester, you're on stolen ground, one big circle, round and round.
Your forefathers stole, now you're having the same loot stolen from you.
The US is sadly not even a nation, never was. Always a colony, to the brits. From the start, the get-go. In fact, even now, in the twisted language of perpetual treaties, YOUSA is a plantation.
Study some history and THEN find the basis for your position.
Everyone is standing on a pile of lies and half-truths, slippery slope and proclaiming they "get it".
ori
http://musicians4freedom.com/2011/09/30/22974/
ORI - there isn't a single place on this round earth that hasn't been 'stolen' by somebody from somebody else....and the history of mother India herself is one big avalanche of bigger n bigger pebbles rained down upon each other as yesteryears conqueror gives way to the next set...of all the sins to be set upon Merikas'neck at this point ori, stealin ain't one of them...
fact is, there's as much likelihood that the 'red man' 'stole' the 'new world' from whitey as not..the whole "Kennewick Man" controversy is a really good introduction to the way PC correctness has replaced every semblance of empirical truthtellin in this postmodern world we 'live' in...
but then, half of the 'native indian' tribes of Norte Merika have been shown to have haplogroup DNA that is "white" ëuropoid "caucausian" anyhoo,{jibwa, dene, most of the west coast bands...}so whose zoomin who here?*
Yur right, right up to the point where yu say
that's a bridge too nihilistic for me...truth be alive, and available to the active mind...we just have to 'steal' it back...piece by piece.
*truth be told{contrary to the cabbalist campaign of divisive} - http://youtu.be/k_PKhpAoUsc We are a family!
Hey Joyful, Cannot buy that because of the simple truth that Native Native Americans have been pushed into their walled "nations" where whitey and blackie and brownie (yes, I've been to the great Casinos', with their amazing glass statues of Braves on Horses and Braves shootng arrows and braves on a WigWam, nicely managed by the same tribe that runs LAs Vegas, nice, sick the mafia on them) come and play, or known history of Canada and what they did to the Indians there or the Aboriginals in Oz, Maori in NZ, Indian, my kind of Indians....or the Bureau of Indian Affairs and a history of continued lies and cheating...
Or how about them blacks? How about them African Americans?
India? Come Joyful, it's well known that India has never in history gained territory through war. Foolish, we're an archipalego surrounded by World's highest Mountains (north), Desert (west) and otherwise, sea to shining sea. Nto that I'm taking a stand because, but that too is known. Plus we were made India by britain.
At least in known history. India's mis-adventures have been more recent, more UN peacekeeping, nuclear dealing, all run by? Yup, Brit-shits and Americans and Yisrael.
What you and most here sound like (perhaps there is a recent colonial stain in your immediate past, I don't know)... is that fuck recent history. Fuck those impacted by recent history. Fuck obvious evidence of genocide (the Native Americans, Aboriginals and India Indians together run into the 10's of millions)...
Love?
Love is not a word my friend, and as a word, it has brought only it's ugly opposite. One just needs to observe it's places of peak usage.
And OF course is is available, truth. My point is you don't climb a mountain of half-truths to reach a truth pinnacle.
Truth is about digging, digging, digging, hard work. Work that strips you of all what you have "accepted", that which makes you, literally who you are.
It takes courage that most lack. And THAT, is the truth.
;-)
Al good though. To each his own, eh? I say it as I see it.
ori
India is such a mess internally colonialism is not required to be among your sins all one need do is look at your history of separation. You seem to revel in the evisceration of America for her sins, turn the critical eye toward India and describe the grinding poverty, corruption and caste system designed to provide your elites with a permanent classs of slaves. The slaughter of millions of animals has nothing to do with our sins financial or otherwise you would do well to keep your "religion" out of the debate..
Calm, the Bison slaughter has nothing to do with my religion. I'm not religious anyways.
If you cannot see what or why it was wrong, period, perhaps you need to think a bit.
ori
Perhaps you should spend more time on fixing India, instead of contemplating our 150 year old sins. Thanks for the retrospective now go help an untouchable..
What a complete load of bullshit.
Complaints from a guy whose country was built on the most brutal social system in human history (rigid castes one is born into)? LOL, what a fucking hypocritical self righteous jackass.
No territorial gain through war? How the hell was the Mughal Empire founded then? How was it ended? The emperors were freaking Mongolians you idiot. The territory was united through war (as it had been previously in history), not a bunch of peacenik Gandhi style idiots.
Look, Im really sorry that a large chunk of your population have lower standards of living than a typical US housepet and that after a couple thousand years you still havent managed to solve the mystery of how to feed and clothe your population decently but your constant whining about the US is nothing but sour grapes. Boo fucking hoo. We certainly have our problems in the US and Europe, but your nation is a complete joke.
Go worship some livestock.
"the most brutal social system in human history"
How do you know the caste system is invalid? Your name demonstrates what a fucking joke you are- Leadnbrass. Hahah! Should be -Give headnass! Moron! Why don't you pick up a sixer of Bud and go down to the shootin range Chuck Norris.
That all you got Sparky? Way to completely fail at countering the point- which was that ORI continually whines about the US when his own nation did things for millenia that he would excoriate the US for, and the particular dynasty I mentioned was entirely foreign to the region and gained its territory through war, as had every other power structure in the history of his nation. ORI is too much of a hypocrite to admit it. As for you, go chug a bottle of Drano. He cries about US history yet is silent on his own.
As for the posting handle- most here have their idea of what constitutes a precious metal in a crisis and I mine. If push comes to shove, my metals >> theirs. If you dont like it, tough crap- it beats some psuedo Asian bullshit from a suburban American tard.
I'm not commenting on the rest of your post.Moghuls came from central asia,samarkund to be precise.They were not mongoloid.
Combination of Uzbek, Persia, and Mongol...with a trace of the local Sogdian blood mixed in for good measure. Tamerlane was a good example of this bloodline, and the original Moghul, Babar was a direct descendant of both him and Genghis hisself.
Correct, the founder was descended from Genghis Khan- hardly a native dynasty.
It has to be said that after thousands of years, India is still standing. One wonders where our Western just in time consumerism will find us in a few thousand years.
I'm sorry I couldn't get back here till now ORI - I suspect this thread is kinda stale...but I think that rant is worth responding to.
For one thing, it's helped me clarify in my own mind exactly where the line is between constructive and destructive criticism...there's a lot to criticize bout Merika and Merikans...and when it's done with clarity it's probably the best thing people in the USA can be given...it's essential that they get a perspective from outside the castle walls, because their survival will soon enough require modification of attitudes that have prevented or degraded communications with the rest of the world.
BUT. that swill you have served up is a mindless concoction of me, mine, they theirs, they bad, we good...really, really, pointless and graceless to a degree that is out of character for yu. I respect yur integrity and honesty enough to know that yu'll be back with a better perspective soon, but that response addressed absolutely none of the points raised in my previous, or missed them so badly as to derail any conversation possible...
no, there's no colonial stain in my recent past...any more than there is reason for yu to play the victim here today....my kin were dragged outta the glens to build an Empire for England by their lairds and headmen, seduced by hebraic wenches sent on the mission of corrupting the landed classes of what had been one of the best damned civilization we've seen on this planet...I'm proud of them, for surviving, and even thriving, in the face of hard times and oppression.. ...don't ever pretend that whitey hasn't been persecuted just as others have- or yu'll have crossed a bridge it will be hard to get back over here....the bad whitey schtick just isn't gonna cut it here. I suggest yu just give it up.
building bridges to nowhere and burning others behind yu...that's a lot of bridge work yu bin doin ORI...maybe yur teeth hurt today? I said it before, I'll say it agin...we. are. family. Stop the divisive shit.
Not a "simple truth", more like a simpleton's failure you are exhibiting, ORI.
I have seen how natives lived along the Yukon River. The coming of the white man, whether from Russia or Europe brought change in quality of their lives that meant infants and their elderly lived longer. Not like North America was a Disneyland For Indigenous Peoples before 1492. All sorts of murdering, stealing women & children, slave-trading (natives), warring, and general mayhem going on. It was not Tahitian bliss on these shores the way you seem to believe.
That said, Can You Stay On Topic?
Well... you talk the talk.. but do you walk the walk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMlHdxiIZ8
Wah Wah Wah! I'm soooooo sick of hearing PATRIOTS whining about how we've been so wronged. Shutup already! Mr. and Mrs. 6-pack got just what they deserved. None of you Dudly Dorights will ever do the heavy lifting required to change shit. You and your ilk cry TREASON on chat boards, and even get heaps of approving green arrows, but it doesn't negate the fact that you are simply a COWARD. Probably always have been. Ever been proactive in securing your future Dudly? Doubt it. Everything happening now was evident 15 years ago. If you weren't bright enough to see it then, then too bad. Go blow sthg up or kill somebody that matters. Be PROACTIVE in bringing down this critically ill system. BE A MAN FOR GOD's SAKE!!!
Hamas, Nigeria, Agro, Weapons Grade, plot :)
You can't say "we're fucked and ruined" by the debt, because all it takes is a few patriots who simply decide to default on it. Gone, 1 second. Lunch time, bitchez.
We're fucked and ruined by the corruption, so that will never happen until millions rise up and start a long over due rope party.
Our best bet is the men and women in uniform decide to honor their oath to the constitution. I hope they throw out the corrupt gov and restore it to it's rightful place.
U.S. Blues Lyrics By: Robert Hunter Music By: Jerry GarciaRed and white, blue suede shoes
I'm Uncle Sam, how do you do
Gimme five, still alive
Ain't no luck, I learned to duck
Check my pulse, it don't change
Stay seventy two, come shine or rain
Wave the flag, pop the bag
Rock the boat, skin the goat
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high
Summertime done come and gone, my oh my
I'm Uncle Sam, that's who I am
Been hiding out, in a rock and roll band
Shake the hand that shook the hand
Of P. T. Barnum and Charlie Chan (note 1)
Shine your shoes, light your fuse
Can you use them old U.S. Blues
I'll drink your health, share your wealth
Run your life, steal your wife
Back to back, chicken shack
Son of a gun, better change your act
We're all confused, what's to lose
You can call this song the United States Blues (note 2)
(1) on a few occasions in 1979-1980 Jerry sang "Of P. T. Barnum and the Shah of Iran" (eg Cleveland 29 Nov 1979, Oakland 13 Jan 1980).
(2) for an ironic take on this, see One More Saturday Night
(3) alternative lyrics were tried out as the song was being developed - see Wave That Flag
The time for pussified music has long past. The only music that addresses political ideals nowadays is metal. I meet just a many people who are awake at metal concerts than I did when I went to a Ron Paul rally. All shall perish (I'd link YouTube videos but I can't make hyperlinks on my tablet) are a prime example of a band speaking the truth. Be forewarned, their music is fucking heavy. Here's lyrics to their song "Royalty into Exile".
We had the chance and we blew it
We took it all for granted and now it slips away
They lied as we cried and did nothing for it
Soon the shackles won't be idealistic
Forget your perfect life
The times will change
We are what's wrong
Our doom awaits
A change of events will soon unfold to show that our society lacks strength
We can't stand by as forces build and our lives turn to shit
They built our government to give us a sense of bliss
They in turn sell us our own death warrants
We are the masses. We cannot be weak
Free will is just an image don't buy into their greed
Government has run wild, the proof is plain to see
They preach sophistication while they rape, lie, and cheat
The innocent shall bleed
Our own ignorance and apathy have paved our way
I have seen where this path leads
So much has gone wrong as we sit and laugh our lives away
We have become the butt of all their jokes
They'll laugh last you'll see
We had to chance and we blew it
We took it all for granted and now it slips away
They lied as we cried and did nothing for it
Soon the shackles won't be idealistic
We are the masses, We cannot be weak
Free will is just an image don't buy into their greed
Government has run wild, the proof is plain to see
They preach sophistication while they rape, lie, and cheat
More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmania.com/royalty_into_exile_lyrics_all_shall_perish.html
All about All Shall+Perish: http://www.musictory.com/music/All+Shall+Perish
http://www.alternativetentacles.com/product.php?product=1305
you can see the agenda of the power elite when CONgress votes close to unanimous and O signs immediately. Dems and GOP usually split votes, but NDAA and the vote for unlimited support of Israel (411-2, Ron Paul one of the 2), patriot act, pretty much any police state vote is close to 100%. I'm sure Monsanto (agent orange) GMO foods get unanimous support.
Umm, the below is hardly metal......
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What are we gonna do now?
Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
'Cause they're working for the clampdown
They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
When we're working for the clampdown
We will teach our twisted speech
To the young believers
We will train our blue-eyed men
To be young believers
The judge said five to ten-but I say double that again
I'm not working for the clampdown
No man born with a living soul
Can be working for the clampdown
Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall
How can you refuse it?
Let fury have the hour, anger can be power
D'you know that you can use it?
The voices in your head are calling
Stop wasting your time, there's nothing coming
Only a fool would think someone could save you
The men at the factory are old and cunning
You don't owe nothing, so boy get runnin'
It's the best years of your life they want to steal
You grow up and you calm down
You're working for the clampdown
You start wearing the blue and brown
You're working for the clampdown
So you got someone to boss around
It makes you feel big now
You drift until you brutalize
You made your first kill now
In these days of evil Presidentes
Working for the clampdown
But lately one or two has fully paid their due
For working for the clampdown
But ha! Gitalong! Gitalong!
And I've given away no secrets
Who's barmy now?
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"Clampdown" as written by Joe Strummer, Mick Jones, Paul Simonon, Topper Headon, 1979
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I blame the internet....
Clarke and Dawe - The Key to Good Governance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYThe424hNM (2:48)
Take a look who is in the White House! There is fuck all else to say! America deserves to lie in the gutter for a while until the great reset comes and goes!
you hate black people, we get it, now go away racist.
Nothing to do with race, just incompetence!
Anyone who is not racist has never lived within 15 miles of an urban area, or is a fucking idiot.
Races are genetically dispositioned to see other races as a threat. Anything less would be uncivilized.
So nature is the determinent of civilization.
Diogenes would get off a roof seeing US citizen thought accomplishment.
Wonderful gift to humanity, US citizenism. The best thing ever.
AnAnonymous said:
Yes, and all made possible by financing from Chinese citizenism.
Chinese ctizenism and US citizenism are best friends forever.
A fruitful point.
Yep, one could (and one could have) taken a look at the relationship between US citizen countries and authoritarian countries to see how the in bed relation fares.
Not bad. Not bad at all.
If one gets interested, one could also look at the relationship between established US citizen countries and some other countries that have tried to take the same path (haiti leading the way so nearly from US of A inception) Not that good.
Which conclusion? Better for some countries with certain geostrategical matter to US citizen nations to be ruled authoritarianly or not?
This said, China provides no money to the US of A. The US of A has the monopoly of USD emission and by then needs no one to provide the money.
What US of A and the other US citizen nation require, it is goods and resources to give value to the USD and Euro and yen.
And watch out, US citizens are grown ups enough in the biz of extorting the weak and farming the poor, they know you do not ask for permission, you extort the weak and you farm the poor. Simple.
Well I don't hate black people. I hate incompetent people in my Presidency, white, purple, red who gives a shit I am over the race distinction I just want competence..
Why cry for competence? Is obama really incompetent? I don't think so. He's doing just what his handlers tell him to do, just like dubya, clinton, etc. Does he get the chance to sink the US? Maybe. If so, I wholeheartedly support him 100%. Let it burn. There's no fixin this jalopy, and would you really want to? Change will bring out the best in americans, and if a few eggs crack along the way...so be it. Peace/War out :)
PLF, Enriched, Pirates, Yemen, Ammonium Nitrate :)
I do not love this country. My fellow Americans are a bunch of imbecile sheep. They can name every football player on the 1997 roster of their favorite college football team but they can't find Iran on a map. A country we will soon be decimating on the behalf of our MASTERS, Israel.
They love their heroes, Jack Bauer, who shows that torture is justified. They love aggressive warfare. They love murder. They love being the big swinging dick in the world. They love empire. They love the TSA and their police state.
And they vote for all of this, and support it fully.
So fuck your faux patriotic meme that you "hate the government but love the country." The American government is a perfect representation of the American people - a bunch of greedy, stupid, lazy, fucktards. Americans love their fascist police state and global military empire.
beware of any populist alternatives a-la Tea Party.
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=206520
The 15 freshmen Republican representatives in the House Tea Party Caucus each ran in 2010 on a populist anti-Wall Street message, highlighting their opposition to bank bailouts like the 2008 Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and criticizing Washington for enabling the banking sector as it became “Too Big to Fail.” After winning, all fifteen received significant PAC contributions from the banking industry — and have become a reliable vote and mouthpiece for the financial industry, a ThinkProgress analysis of campaign contributions, voting records and public statements reveals.
The question is whether they vote for another bailout when the time comes.
Oh, and ThinkProgress is a leftist idiot farm- the kind of people who squealed about fascism when the Tea Party protests started but backed the OWS simpletons.
the truth of our economy (and debt) is that Govt, not to mention its wars, is very fucking expensive
to carry this bloated parasite on the economies back something's got to give ...hence massive debt levels to fund this glutonous public sector pig, bankroll its promises of largesse to voters, and debt spending to make-up for the productive wealth this institution of theives taxes out of productive peoples pockets which further weakens the economy
Govt is an economic suicide death spiral ...is everyone ready for the crash and burn phase of an economy wrecked by this cancerous institution? ...are you ready with the only cure/answer to the problem of Govt: no Govt
Good, we have learned our lesson once and for all
you want zero government genius?, go over to africa and live in one of the failed states and see how much you like it.
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"failed States"
that should give you a clue to what's failing Einstein
look around you, Europe, Japan and America. What's failing? ..wouldn't be the State would it????
And how pray tell do you expect the most incompetent and corrupt people in society (politicians) to lead you to Nirvana when they're driving the Govt into the sewer?
Most of us choose to follow people with talent, you're hooked up to following the biggest retards in the country down the sewer (precisely where they belong)
Great points Zero - I no longer attempt to convert the obstinant and foolish peopl around me. Their fates are headed at them faster than they know - soon they will meet the ultimate motivation - a hungry stomach. Once they do, the facade will fall off like sand around a metal casting. No need to waste your energies trying to save them. Besides, fools are useless in good and bad times, so their disappearance will be a help regardless
I'm eating my ice cream and cake now. My green thumb sucks, my garden just wont show me the love. I have a real respect for small farmers. All my obesity will at least afford me an extra month or two.
Just don't go anywhere near Miami. You'll be a Supersize snack for some naked freak...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/naked-man-shot-killed-miami-police-allegedly-chewing-man-face-cops-article-1.1085246
First rule of Zombieland: Cardio...
I'll be in the kitchen making more foil hats, it's starting to get too weird for me.
Be sure to get yourself a good water filter, or your fat ass won't last more than a couple days....
http://www.cabelas.com/aid-water-purification-katadyn-pocket-water-micro...
Soil preparation, food, and water, sir.
Get a soil analysis done (call your local agricultural extension office and take in a sample, you can have this done for just a few dollars), make the corrections needed, use adequate fertilizer and give lots of water- drip tape and soaker hoses are your friends. Im just a small occasional farmers market type on the side but right now I am literally handing out bags of produce to everyone I know and have a tomato and melon tidal wave on the way. I have hard red clay (a very poor, very acidic soil) with little actual topsoil so even the worst natural mediums can produce well given some time and effort. Be prepared to sweat profusely.
Inexperienced folks tend to think its easy- just throw some seeds in the ground and wait but this is not the case. There is quite a bit of real work and study involved to really get heavy production. Your thumb may be greener than you currently realize, perhaps it just hasnt been properly trained yet!
By all means take time to get your soil checked- there is a reasonable possibility that your lack of success is due to an imbalance you are not aware of but can correct.
They will happily file into the FEMA camps, watch the ball games and NASCAR on the giant screens, eat the gubmint food, and worship at the altar of the government for saving them.
Zero Govt
Yes shit is falling apart.
What do you plan to replace government with?
How can you guarantee it would be better than what you have now?
Can not you envision things becoming infinitely worse.
Personally I would feel comfortable under an Enlightened Despot, or Bakunin Anarchy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_absolutism
Enlightened absolutism (also called by later historians benevolent despotism or enlightened despotism) is a form of absolute monarchy or despotism in which rulers were influenced by the Enlightenment. Enlightened monarchs embraced the principles of the Enlightenment, especially its emphasis upon rationality, and applied them to their territories. They tended to allow religious toleration, freedom of speech and the press, and the right to hold private property. Most fostered the arts, sciences, and education.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivist_anarchism
Collectivist anarchism (also known as anarcho-collectivism) is a revolutionary[1] doctrine that advocates the abolition of both the state and private ownership of the means of production. It instead envisions the means of production being owned collectively and controlled and managed by the producers themselves.
For the collectivization of the means of production, it was originally envisaged that workers will revolt and forcibly collectivize the means of production[1] Once collectivization takes place, money would be abolished to be replaced with labour notes and workers' salaries would be determined in democratic organizations based on job difficulty and the amount of time they contributed to production. These salaries would be used to purchase goods in a communal market.[2] This contrasts with anarcho-communism where wages would be abolished, and where individuals would take freely from a storehouse of goods "to each according to his need." Thus, Bakunin's "Collectivist Anarchism," notwithstanding the title, is seen as a blend of individualism and collectivism.[3]
Collectivist anarchism is most commonly associated with Mikhail Bakunin, the anti-authoritarian sections of the First International, and the early Spanish anarchist movement.
Collectivist Welfare Fascism is the current system.
Being bought off with as many breads and circuses as necessary to keep us docile is not the same as collective ownership of the means of production.
Ever heard of a Constitutional Libertarian Government. If you have it doesn't seem to have struck a chord. You won't mind me being the enlightened despot in your world now, would you. I have some plans for you. Just some little jobs that shouldn't be tooo burdensome for you, such as sweeping my driveway.
Al Gorerhythm
And just why is that better than the ones I chose.
Please feel free to compare and contrast your points in an intelligent manner.
Bakunin Anarchy, is fairly close to what Ayn Rand espoused in Atlas Shrugged. The producers control production.
Obviously you chose to ignore what Enlightened Despots actually supported.
I Googled Constitutional Libertarian Government, and nothing could be found. Did you mispost the type of government you are so fond of?
I did find this quote "Libertarianism refers to the group of political philosophies which emphasize freedom, liberty, and voluntary association. There is no general consensus among scholars on the precise definition. Libertarians generally advocate a society with a government of small scope relative to most present day societies or no government whatsoever."
The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines libertarianism as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.[1] Libertarian historian George Woodcock defines libertarianism as the philosophy that fundamentally doubts authority and advocates transforming society by reform or revolution.[2] Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives.[3] According to the U.S. Libertarian Party, libertarianism is the advocacy of a government that is funded voluntarily and limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.[4]
Libertarian schools of thought differ over the degree to which the state should be reduced. Anarchistic schools advocate complete elimination of the state. Minarchist schools advocate a state which is limited to protecting its citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud. Some schools accept public assistance for the poor.[5] Additionally, some schools are supportive of private property rights in the ownership of unappropriated land and natural resources while others reject such private ownership and often support common ownership instead.[6][7][8] Another distinction can be made among libertarians who support private ownership and those that support common ownership of the means of production; the former generally supporting a capitalist economy, the latter a socialist economic system. Contractarian libertarianism holds that any legitimate authority of government derives not from the consent of the governed, but from contract or mutual agreement, though this can be seen as reducible to consequentialism or deontologism depending on what grounds contracts are justified.[9][10][11] Some Libertarian socialists reject deontological and consequential approaches and use historical materialism to justify their political beliefs.[12]
So which flavor of Libertarian are you? The freedom loving Collectivist, or the small government type?
Much of the above explanation seems very close to Bakunin Anarchy.
I think we agree on more than you realized.
deep in your heart you understand you merely tossed out a political concept you didn't fully understand. You thought it would be amusing and demeaning.
Little did you realize that what you claimed was actually much more complex.
Now it's up to you to save your ass by actually explaining your position and political ideology in a meaningful and intelligent way.
In a way that differs from other types of Collectivism, such as Bakunin Anarchy and from the kind of Libertarians who would aid the poor. Which means at some point moneys would be reallocated from the haves to the have nots.
But damn it you did play out the almighty buzzword CONSTITUTION.
your post shows coherence. SOCIALIST.
It is easy to back systems that have never existed. Their hypothetical nature allows them a clean track record, but human beings have had a couple thousand years to try out most conceivable systems, and pure anarchy and libertarianism have curiously been left out. The reason is, imho, that people like and like to take for granted government services.
You only notice things when they are not as they should be. If your house catches on fire and the fire department doesn't come, if you get robbed and the cops don't come, if your tap water catches on fire, if your house collapses because it wasn't built to code, etc... This disregard for the common good is usually developed after attaining some measure of wealth and creating a rationalization not to share any part of it. Libertarianism is a legitimate doctrine, but one to be taken with equal measure of collectivism. Otherwise we're all just fucking killing each other.
Much of what you describe as services are provided by Local Government payed for thru Property Taxes and Sales taxes. None of the services you describe are provided by the Federal Government thru Income Taxes.
Yep, but a huge chunk of the US population is utterly ignorant of what is proveided by the various levels of government.
I recognize that some is necessary (I think anarchy would fail miserably, and would encourage any anarchist to move near me so I can take their stuff if things do fall apart) but most of what I actually need is handled at the local and state levels- Uncle Sam needs to be eviscerated. Sadly the 10th Amendment got thrown overboard in 1865 and its been a downward spiral since, now we have only two parties that are both advocates of centralized power.
Correct. That's why a good start would simply be disbanding the federal gov, and going back to 50 independent states.
What does the feral gov really do for us anyway? Almost every department is duplicated on the state level. It's mostly just a wealth redistribution mechanism. No need for that at all.
These posts are interesting.
The difference between a libertarian and an anarchist are not much.
I have found that most libertarians are really anarchists,
they largely deny that such a thing as effective governance exists and incorrectly believe libertarianism is an absence of government.
they are also easy to spot as they continutally call the current crop of obvious collective one world order neo marxists, fascists.
regardless every form of government so far has gone from less to more, from less restrictive to more ending in none or failure. I would almost be for anything that gets mankind out of that paradigm.
Libertarians coined the term because the original term that described them, Liberals, was stolen and perverted into its antithesis by progressive socialists. Bereft of a name whose root word still conveyed something about their belief system, they invented Libertarianism. They strove to re-establish the old bipolar world between the liberals who stood for individual liberty and those who stood against it called conservatives, so called because they sought to conserve the old world order in which established hierarchy wielded power over the individual.
True, most libertarians possess a fondness for anarchy, because they correctly recognize that anarchy is our natural state, the state our human instincts and natural responses are tuned for. However, they recognize that pure anarchy possesses no immune system against the skewing effects of extremism. Thus, our libertarian Founding Fathers , who called themselves liberals when liberal still meant individual liberty, tried to weave a complex web of varying government types in the hopes that a balance of power between sovereign states, individuals, and a weak federal government would prove to be an effective dome capable of sealing a power vacuum into existence under which an individual could stand to his full height without having to contend with the awesome power of the State. Sadly, it lasted for less than 100 years before two of the parties went to war with each other, and the winning party sold the people on the concept that the feather lite govenrment tent protecting them was instead a warm and cuddly blanket to snuggle under.
That was Beautiful! And I don't say that often. Thanks.
....most libertarians possess a fondness for anarchy, because they correctly recognize that anarchy is our natural state, the state our human instincts and natural responses are tuned for.....
*LOL*
Did you just make that up? Here, once again, is another example of the romanticized version of mankind, society and economics through the eyes of a libertardian. I swear, you guys live in pure fantasy land, totally disconnected from all facts, history, science or reality.
From the smallest bands of hunter gatherers in New Guinea to the large, modern countries across the globe, it is human nature to elect a leader and create a hierarchy of governance that serves to protect the greater whole. In fact, you're EXACTLY WRONG. Anarchy is NOT human nature; Lord of the Flies was FICTION, mmmmkay? Given that our nearest evolutionary links, chimpanzees and bonobos, live in bands too, I'd think that most libertarians would "intuitively" understand this. Very few chimpanzees survive outside their hierarchical band.
From the development of the first "state" in 3700 B.C. Mesopotamia, small egalitarian systems of governance that do not have a leader or centralized government have been trampled by societies with such a hierarchy, through the process of social darwinism. If you want to make a very broad generalization, you could say that government provided the organization and means to conquer other lands, while religion provided the reason.* On the Darwinian timeline of human history, anarchy lost a long, long time ago. Anarchy is NOT our natural state, any more than caves are our natural home. Well organized governments with centralized societies have gradually replaced disorganized, egalitarian societies devoid of a leader or any structured governance.
You could write a dissertation on this nuances of this subject, but the undeniable end result is that the nature of mankind is to create leaders, structure and laws/rules. Anarchy, as a viable social structure, exists only in the mind of Gun Smoke libertardians who want to play out their juvenile, G.I. Joe fantasies.
MF
* Ok, I will concede that in very early human history, the advancement of mankind and the conquering of other societies was probably not "reasoned" in religion, but resources instead.
"nature of mankind is to create leaders, structure and laws/rules"
The science is pretty clear that there is no such thing as human nature. 90% of human personality is shaped by childhood experience. This is common knowledge among psychologists, psychotherapists etc.
Also, interesting choice of terms for state violence: "leaders", "structure", "laws". How about opinions enforced at the point of a gun? Would you ever accept someone in a personal relationship who steals, lies, kills and kidnaps on a regular basis? Of course not. So why do you make an exception for a group of individuals who call themselves the state? They're just people.
Tell me, is there any difference between the contradictions you have inherited from a statist society, than those inherited by a muslim growing up in Somalia, or a Christian growing up in a strict Christian home? How can you criticize religious people for accepting religious dogma at face value, when you yourself accept the state's contradictions at face value?
@ms
ms,
Beneath all of your 90%,' are 'instincts' and 'knowing' that the scientists disregard as unproveable; so, they refuse to go there. The experience of many, however is that there is something under all these layers of conditioning and environmental impacts of family, church, state, and imposed hierarchial structures.
Just because this is 'unproveable' according to those who cannot dis-prove it, does not make it invalid. So, I would suggest in your case a little botany and research on altered states of consciousness.
Since this is not personal, please strike 'your' above and replace it with 'those of this opinion'. I don't have any axe to grind----I only discovered all of this by accident of birth, anyway
Thanks for the opportunity to express myself respectfully om
"90% of human personality is shaped by childhood experience."
100% wrong. Psychologists and psychotherapists don't study genes, and thus come to utterly fallacious conclusions such as this.
Max
yu are a great example of a lower level primate trained to regurgitate on demand[punishment\reward?] classic stylisms of yur operators the meaning of which yu have not the slightest clue...congrats...
yu are a wonder of scien[tificism].
btw...would yu mind sharing with us xactly which lab yu escaped from? For some weird reason, everytime I read yur stuff here now I think of Plum Is.
Ah Max, you are predictable. So well trained. The anarchy bell rings, and you begin to foam pavlovian State defenses. Note how you ignore the fluidity of the concept of anarchy, instead zeroing in on the one which you have been taught by your masters is equivalent with "chaos", which you imagine to be hordes of undirected individuals running around doing whatever they please to each other as civilization eats itself in an orgy of mutually destructive and short sighted gluttonous self interest. Ah! The Horror! No, your reasoning goes, that cannot be the way of man, because you cannot imagine autonomous individuals voluntarily cooperating together for mutual benefit without that very autonomy tearing them apart. After all, humans are incapable of creating anything without being led, yes? We are after all ants, trained to follow the trail and freak out if a stick falls across it, yes? Thus, history must be the history of humans being led. Thus properly prepped to see the scope of history through the correct prism, you then cast a superficial glance across the vast distance of history, spot leaders and organization regularly appearing, and breathe a sigh of relief. Whew! Thanks goodness. Saved from chaos. Men are clearly pack creatures, and yes even primates prove it!
However, your superficial scan of history and biology fails to take into account the wide organizational variation we see across these disciplines. So, when you are referring to the bonobos, are you also implying that we are by nature matriarchal? Obviously, you are completely and utterly unaware of the fission-fusion nature of bonobo and chimpanzee social heirarchy, in which groups are continuously in the process of forming and reforming on an hourly and daily basis. Lord knows that since detailed knowledge of that which you refer to would actually undermine your position, let's keep that knowledge superficial, shall we?
You glibly paste the label of "always led" over history and sigh a thankful sigh that your precious shepherd/sheeple cuddly blanket hasn't been taken away, but which version of societal organization are you referring to? Studies of remaining nomadic people, the condition under which our physiology was shaped, shows them to be egalitarian with a remarkable degree of sexual parity. No single leader telling everyone else what to do. From that starting point, we see a wide variety of societal organization, ranging from polygyny to polyandry, and ranging from despotic kingships to egalitarian bands like many of the Native Americans, depending on the conditions. It's amost like when it comes to social organization, we are omnivorous!
Which of course, is the point. That's what anarchy is, dumbass. Anarchy refers to " a society without a publicly enforced government or violently enforced political authority", to quote wikipedia, if you care to even educate yourself in the slightest about what our common societal definition seems to be. it doesn't in any way refer to social structure. The whole point of anarchy is that there is no set rule. People can organize themselves for mutual benefit in whatever way they wish. Just like the pioneers did, if you want to cast your myopic gaze back over even just the last couple hundred years in the history of America. Unless of course this clashes with your programming so violently that it would make you ill, in which case best if you refrain from any independent thought. No sense hurting yourself.
"Now it's up to you to save your ass by actually explaining your position and political ideology in a meaningful and intelligent way."
Hey, Mr. Foyle...
You have interesting things to say, but you appear to be immersed in your own personal brand of "politics."
I believe your "politics" as presented are an extension of your Narcissism --
and in your wisdom should recognize that your strength (your Narcissism) is the fundamental problem that ails us, er, has brought us here.
What a mess.
I was gonna call him an asshole, but you said it so much better
Oh, I dunno. Maybe you could slip the descriptive term "despotic" in front of it.......... Should even the scales.
Libertarian Collectivism is an oxymoron. How can you have individual liberty with "communal" ownership. Sounds like a Hippie flashback.
You take some liberties with your assumptions of my understanding of the type of government that I support. That's must be the little despot coming out in you, so, mmmmkay... I'll play.
Constitutional: Goverment based on the laws agreed to by the people, as opposed to:
Enlightened,: To give intellectual light to... Enlightened by whom and about what exactly? Is the enlightened one an autodidact?
Libertarianism: a philosophy based on freedom, Liberty ( from despots etc) and volantaty association (Despots allowed but only as equals).
Despot (single ruler with absolute power (Over me? not a fucken chance). By,whom? You? No thanks. As I said above, if there is going to be anybody practicing despotism, let me enlighten you, it will be me and you will obey, peon.
Government: A group of the people's representatives, limited in power by the people's constitution; limited in size by employing gold and silver as debt free money; restricted to the defence of the nation or state.
Oh, and I wasn't trying to be amusing or demeaning to you but if the work is demeaning to you, under your system, then, them's the breaks. With me as your enlightened overlord, you'll just have to; "Suck it up" or find solace from Charlie Munger.
Libertarian schools of thought differ over the degree to which the state should be reduced. Anarchistic schools advocate complete elimination of the state...
I can't tell whether yu are quoting some second hand source there, or not. But the clear implication of the quote, and yur general tenor of commentary, is that anarchism is a 'school' or division of libertarianism.
This is a lie. The sources yu have extracted quotes from are also disinfo outlets of the moneypower....until yu subsequently post something that shows a glancing acquaintance with the truth, I shall have to assume yu to be as well, witting or unwitting.
Libertarianism was a counter-inititiave of the hegemonist sionists to insert a firewall between anarchism and the natural flow of freedom luving individuals towards same...Makhno and then Durrutti scared the shit outta them, in the twenties and thirties. Von Hayek was the tool they used to corrupt Mises insights, Rothbard the unfortunate individual whose outstanding mind was used the inveigle many into accepting the blurring of the two very distinct terms of reference.
Anarchism is the polity contra the state...ie...self governance\NOT=no government.
Libertarianism is a controlled opposition experiment in confusing statism with governance. And Alisa Zinovyevna Rosenbaum [Ayn Rand] was a sionist trotskyite tool.
cue groupthink outrage: now>
You'vedone some interesting reading there Jful.
Gully Foyle - "What do you plan to replace government with?"
Zero .....
Look around you and simply imagine that corrupt bag of puss, Govt, gone. Imagine the economy without $Trillions being sucked out of productive peoples pockets and into the greedy thieving hands of the most unproductive people in society, politicians.
We would have had a massively richer past 20 years without that institution of parasites and we wouldn't be having anywhere near the Depression we're in if capital wasn't thieved (taxed) and then pissed away by the most rotten people in society
That's the macro, now regards the micro issue: why do i want an organisation to represent me???
Represent what?
Can i not represent myself? Why do i need a collective or an institution?? I don't. I'm happy not being represented by anyone or anything under the false promise they can do something for me i can't. They can't, they won't, I don't representation. My life is fully fucntional without any bunch of thieving windbags lying to me they can spend my money better or give me something for nothing
If i want something it's up to me to go get it. There is no policy Govt has I want and no organisation i want to make policy for me.
take a look out your window and watch nature work, no Govt required... look after yourself coz no other snake oil charlatan is going to (as history shows hundreds of times over: got the message?) ..it's called Freedom by the way
yeah states fail, bad govts are bad, good govt are good. What part of that dont you get. No government is chaos you idiot.
Crawldaddy, you seem to be asserting, by contrast, that the USA is not failing. Can you defend that assertion?
One word: Nope.
Socialism is only failing in Europe, not in the US. We're only 3/4 Socialist.
Yes, but we are 100% socialist when it comes to the top 1%, any anything related to financial/banking sector....
Absolutely, it's the only way to hold the ponzi together. They give away money like it's fake.
Of course the 1/4 of the US which is actually sustaining it is not liberty ... but militarism ... socialist Europe pays it's way, the US loots the world. A testament to US's strength, no doubt. A testament to liberty ... not so much.
Socialist Europe most certainly does NOT pay its way and hasnt in 60 years- they have peace and funding to build their social programs only because they live in the shadow of a very expensive American sword.
If you disagree, I have a simple request- show me a period of peace in European history as long as that they have enjoyed since 1945. I certainly wish we would pull our soldiers out as I think its ridiculous to subsidize the cost of European defense. I would love to see what happens when the nations of Europe have to build their own militaries again, and what happens when the massive cost has to be paid by them fully for the first time in generations.
Im asserting we need a better and smarter, and fairer govt, not NO govt like the idiot above me asserts.
you want zero government genius?, go over to africa...
Count me as such a genius too.
And YOU go to Africa, jackass. We aren't the immoralists who promote institutionalized theft.
oh please, your fat lazy ass isnt going anywhere. Just another fat lazy tough guy who doesnt do shit.
Just another fat lazy tough guy who doesnt do shit.
Ah, projecting your own inertness upon me!
You don't know me.
The point is not 'no government' retard, it's LOCAL government we should have, not a central federal 'king'. Even 535 representatives can in no way capture the needs and requests of 330 million people.
With local government my vote, my voice has impact. With federal government i'm 1 of 330 million voices that gets 'averaged'.
I liken federal government to asset managers. They want to take a slice of a very big pie (the economy and the people's wealth). At least asset managers, even hedge funds only charge 2 and 20 at tops. The government charges 28-35% on average (income tax) irrespective of performance or highwater marks.
35% is 75% in frenchspeak.
Coming to you this winter (after the elections).
it's LOCAL government we should have, not a central federal 'king'. Even 535 representatives can in no way capture the needs and requests of 330 million people.
+1
The point is not 'no government' retard....
I'm a retard now... well, I guess I'm saying something good.
NO, the point is that ALL GOVERNMENT is crime: Institutionalized theft, coercion, plunder.The only question is whether we have the guts to call it by its true name.
Clear?
Hey Genius, where would you have more personal freedom, in a failed African state, or in the USofA? A failed state of course. You fucking idiot. Learn something before posting insults.
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Found the best explanation for "what we've become" clearly revealed in the book 'Pawns in the Game' by William Guy Carr. Often the book was recommended but only recently I found a new reprinting of Carr's 1970 edition. Carr said that around 1950 he penetrated the secret that the wars and revolutions which scourge our lives, and the chatic conditions that prevail, are nothing more or less than the effects of a continuing conspiracy. What he reveals will lead to waking some nights wondering...
Government is dirt cheap if the people are only paying people who are currently governing.
On a long enough time line the survival rate for every super power drops to zero.
A bloating corpse
a bloated parasitical corpse rotting in the sun
..the dead-dumb corrupt institution of Govt, having sucked its economies dry, now renaging on its debts is dying a spoilt brat death with all the grace of a thieving criminal
IMF Chief Chrsitine Lagarde just accused Greeks of not paying enough tax!!
silly me i thought the Greek Govt wrecked the Greek economy with socialism, ran up massive debts it is now renaging on ..but no, taxpayers simply weren't coughing up enough for the clowns to piss away!
The internet made government obsolete. Personal energy sources will make it irrelevant.
The internet made government obsolete.
Are you writing us from the future? How far? Is Brooklyn Decker still hot?
A hallmark behavior of a society in decline is the ignorance and denial and entitlement of, all at once, the Feeding and the Fed.
To rational minds caught in the middle, stand tall, not down... do not internalize the lies and make them your own.
This...
"To rational minds caught in the middle, stand tall, not down... do not internalize the lies and make them your own."
Being placed in the middle in US citizenism means trying to get the best of the two worlds without enduring the worst of the two worlds.
That is what it means. That is how it is exhibited by US citizen middle class behaviour.
No AnAsinine, it means how do we go about preventing ourselves from getting robbed from two different directions while at the same time lending a helping hand to those who really deserve it.
We chew each others' faces off, and not just on Wall Street.
Hello, Miami Silent witness? Yeah listen.....
Literally.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html
Welcome to the Jungle ....
"Aguilar said the man ate his victim’s nose and eyeballs"
Not to worry ... Futures are up +
CBS Local Miami TV story:
"Armando Aguilar, who heads the local chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police, said he has spoken with the officer who responded. Aguilar said the officer saw what the man was doing, and ordered him to stop. He said the man growled at the officer, and then returned to his meal."
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/05/26/miami-police-confrontation-men-leaves-1-dead-1-hurt/
I can't wait to hear the toxicology report of both men. My guess is PCP, or the fabled solanum virus.
Most likely a cocktail which sadly we will never get to know the ingredients.
Imagine an army of ZH zombies chewing the faces off of bankers and politicians.
450 million rounds would not stop the revolution!
Ahmeexnal
"Imagine an army of ZH zombies chewing the faces off of bankers and politicians."
Was that intentionally ironic?
Oh, I see now. You're a troll. Silly me, engaging in semantics with you above.
The .1% is the problem. They take too much, give back too little. They bought the govt so its now little more than their pawns, it has bought the media so our media is little more than their propaganda. IT has bought the legal system so there are now two sets of rules.
They create false narratatives so that the rest of fight one another while taking the eye off of them. The money we seek and need is out there, and these greedy fuckers have it.
Our countries income imbalance is worse than pakistans and russia. Think about that.
You can't change the 0.01%, nor can you change their enablers. All you can do is sit by and wait for them to destroy themselves. That day is fast approaching
The .1% have purchased our government, no doubt about it. But what has failed us is our own morality and values. There was a time when corruption would not be tolerated, now its a team sport. Our grandparents would die before taking a "handout" but everyone nowadays wants to file for disability or welfare, they have no self respect. We all want to "sue" someone or hit the lottery. No one believes in an honest days work anymore.
You get the governement and the society you deserve.
We can blame the rich but we have a roll in this mess too. Its time to speak up.
Wrong again son... The .1% has been nationalized by the federal government just like everything else.
Why do you think Bill Gross is pitchin' a bitch? It ain't cause he can't find one...
Crawldaddy, how can .1% elect all these politicians they supposedly control? The problem is ourselves, because we refuse to think about the issues that confront us and the values that our Founding Fathers gave us and why they are important. We accept the crap that the media shovels our way because we are too lazy to use our minds as we are too distracted by sports, the wasteland of tv, the phoniness of stardom and a lack of appreciation for the real heroes of our society who work and produce. No politician ever won an election with .1% of the vote! If you don't like who you've got, keep throwing them out of office until you get someone who reasonably represents what you're looking for.
We've met the enemy and the enemy is us.
bullshit, they control the two party that control the elections. We have a fake democracy. A choice between two puppets of the rich.
You go try to win any election above dog catcher without some serious cash behind you. have fun
less than $30 worth of equipment, for any tech to hack a diebold voting machine. it would cost a lot more, to hack a slot machine.almost like votes aren't really worth anything.
Bring on the muni default tsumani starting in CA
This will end when we once again are struck with a world war. While we have certainly lost military personnel over the past decade, the military conflicts we've had during that time pale in comparison to the warfare of WWI, WWII and Vietnam. Only when citizens are involuntarily drafted into military service will the general population understand the sacrifices that military members make. Only then will they start to generally care. It is an unfortunate but very true reality.