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Guest Post: War With Iran Is Coming

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Submitted by Jame E. Miller of Miller's Genuine Draft blog,


The rally for what could be World War III is in full swing.

In what amounts to a grotesque instance of outright pandering, Department of Defense head Leon Panetta recently spoke at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s annual conference and assured the audience that “we will keep all options – including military action – on the table to prevent (Iran) from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”  You know you live in a kleptocracy when one of the heads of the federal government openly appeases perhaps the most influential and financially flush lobbying groups in the country.

Panetta’s assurance confirmed what the majority of Americans have long feared- that their government stands ready and willing to involve itself in another war despite public opinion being in opposition of such an excursion.

If the Republican presidential primary has proven anything, besides the propensity for politicians to offer only vague pronouncements and crowd pleasing sound bites on complex issues, it’s that the bloodthirsty urges of the GOP are incapable of being quenched.  For years, the neoconservatives who make up the Republican establishment have been pounding the war drums over Iran.  About 33,000 American military deaths in Iraq and over 1 million Iraqi casualties have done nothing to dissuade the warmongering rhetoric of the candidates (with the exception of Ron Paul).

On the same day as Panetta’s address to AIPAC, presidential candidate Mitt Romney laid out a “comprehensive” plan to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon in a Washington Post editorial.  What does this “comprehensive” plan entail the reader may ask?  Simple; just throw more money at a defense department already blowing through its coffers at a sum higher than the top 14 military spenders in the world combined.  Armed with political theorist Frederic Bastiat’s invaluable concept of the “unseen,” one can only begin to imagine the technological breakthroughs and consumer satisfying goods such money could have been invested towards if not being pilfered into nation building, military contractor boondoggles, and supporting imperial aggression abroad.

While Romney is busy trumpeting the image of a towering, maniacal Iran on the precipice of waging world war, as syndicated columnist Eric Margolis points out, Iran’s military, in actuality, is quite weak and utilizes dated equipment.

The mainstay of Iran’s air force remains about 60 ancient US-built F-14 naval fighters, F-4 Phantom strike aircraft dating from the Vietnam era, and some old US F-5 trainers. Iran also has a grab bag of some 25 Soviet/Russian Mig-29’s, a similar number of capable SU-24 strike aircraft, and some 20 Chinese outdated F-7 fighters. The US-supplied aircraft all suffer from metal fatigue and are more of a danger to their hapless pilots than an enemy.

Romney is far from alone in his prodding Iran into war to stoke public fear and win the White House.  GOP candidate hopefuls Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich have long admitted their desire to launch a military strike over Iran’s pursuance of nuclear arms.  The Trotskyite influence of placing the divinity of the state and its leaders on a moral pedestal is still a dominant feature of the neoconservative movement despite its supposed opposition to collectivism.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration has continued to stress it’s preference for abstaining from a military strike despite its track record of continued interventionism abroad.  Well known to any fair minded observer, the Obama presidency hasn’t been one of foreign peace as promised during the 2008 campaign but has embodied the same perpetual warfare that defined the Bush administration and virtually all presidencies dating back to the time of the Spanish-American War.  From ousting Libya leader Muammar Gaddafi and bombing the country’s China-provided oil infrastructure to deploying troops in Africa to hunt down the leader of a rag tag militant group posing no threat to the U.s. and no bigger than a small Amish community, the devotion toward military imperialism remains alive and well within the White House.  Unmanned drone strikes which have escalated under Obama’s leadership are thought to cause more civilian deaths than actually fulfilling their goal of killing terrorists.  This includes at least 168 children.  Last Friday, March 2, 2012, the Pentagon even admitted that U.S. forces are now operating and fighting within Yemen.

Since when was war declared on Yemen?  When were the American people told their blood and treasure was being spilled in yet another country?  None of these excursions were Constitutional but that slight conditionality has long seen been forgotten by the three branches of Leviathan.

In regards to Iran, the administration’s “diplomatic” approach of sanctioning is quite unfitting for a man once bestowed with the Nobel Peace Prize.  Only in our world of Orwellian speak would sanctions, that is the barring of individuals to trade goods with other individuals in another country, not be considered an act of war.  Starving a populace to induce change is no more humane than starving a dog so it will fight more aggressively when pitted head to head in a match with another canine.  Sanctions are only exacerbating the pain of the Iranian people and “are turning into a form of collective punishment” according to Hooman Majd writing in the New York Times.

History has shown that countries backed into an economic corner, such as Japan after Franklin Roosevelt’s oil embargo, often react in an aggressive fashion to the presumed perpetrators.  This is why Iran recently threatened to close the Straight of Hormuz, which almost 40% of the world’s oil passes through, after the threat of enhanced sanctions by Western nations. Given the fact that the U.S. has over 40 bases surrounding Iran, it doesn’t take a tie die wearing beatnik high on hallucinogenic drugs to see who really controls the power dynamic.


(Each star approximately represents a U.S. military base though the map may be slightly inaccurate due to changing policy)

With the administration now seeking to provide assistance to the opposition forces in Syria, intervention and war with Iran is only an eventuality at this point.

The worst part about this whole affair is the fact that there exists no proof that Iran is really pursuing nuclear weapons.  After Panetta’s declaration that the U.S. will take military action against Iran, one wonders if the Defense Secretary simply forgot that he let slip last January on CBS’s Face the Nation that the country wasn’t pursuing nuclear arms.  The same goes for the Israeli lobby which conveniently ignores the head of Massad, Israel’s intelligence service, admitting that Iran possessing a nuclear bomb would not pose an “existential threat.”  It’s even more disingenuous that the likes of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and Christians United for Israel continue to lobby for a U.S. lead war in lieu of only 19% of Israelis supporting a military attack.  Israeli Prime Minister “Bibi” Netanyahu has no interest in the desire of the people he was elected to represent as he pushes for military assistance from the U.S.  He is the typical politician obsessed with his own legacy of heroism even if it means the loss of his countrymen.

When it comes to warmongering and increasing the size and authority of the state, the opinion of the people matters little.  This has always been the golden rule of statism.  War with Iran is coming despite all opposition.  The certainty that a nuclear Iran attacking an even more heavily armed Israel is the equivalent of mutual self destruction won’t stop the war propaganda.  The election of Romney/Gingrich/Santorum or reelection of Obama will not bring a different result.  If Ron Paul were to somehow reach the presidency, the pressure from war lobbyers would be overwhelming.  As messianic as the Texas Congressmen is, being Chief Executive alone doesn’t guarantee the rest of the bureaucrats won’t pursue their own agendas.

As Jeffrey Tucker, editor and publisher of Laissez-Faire Books, writes

Nor is it the case that any of the elected officials have the power to do serious damage to this system. This goes for the president, too. They can often influence the way the state grows, but they can’t actually fundamentally threaten the apparatus itself. The longer they are in office, the less personal power they realize that they have. The reason is simple. The system is not structured to permit them to dismantle it, even if they wanted to. They are temporary managers of a ruling class, and the members of this class mostly scoff at these people, treating them like actors on a stage that the class itself owns.

The truth amounts to very little on the eve of war.  Iraq and the lies surrounding weapons of mass destruction proved this lesson almost a decade ago.  Unfortunately for the people of America, Israel, and Iran, the political class and power wielders of their respective governments refuse to learn.  Their desire is for more authority and prestige; no matter how many bodies it costs.


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Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:22 | 2234980 CaptFufflePants
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Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:33 | 2234997 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ahh, we'll see.  I predict NO LAND WAR with Iran.  Too expesive, maybe some Special Ops vs. nuke sites, else forget it we are too tired of foreign ventures...

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:38 | 2235006 CrazyCooter
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You can bet your butt its a land war ... in my mind it is about oil ... and the only way to claim the oil is boots on the ground. There are a LOT of troops right next door in Afghanistan and its a short hop to invade.



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:42 | 2235012 Dr. Engali
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It's about preserving the petro dollar. Why do you think the flew cargo planes of bills to Iraq right off the bat? To get the people using the currency.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:48 | 2235026 CrazyCooter
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Very curious notion. Thanks for sharing.



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:05 | 2235049 Arkadaba
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Preserving the petro-dollar has been at the forefront of every "intervention" in the past ... of so many years. 

And Iran has been in the crosshairs for years:

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:09 | 2235072 CrazyCooter
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I am very familiar with the importance of the petrodollar. I think I have a few rants on the subject in the ZH archives now that I htink about it.

I just never connected the dots on pallets of cash going *poof*. It makes 100% sense now. I mean, in all fairness, the elite don't need pallets of cash, so it was always a question mark for me.

Now I know!



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:56 | 2235123 lasvegaspersona
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"Pray for Traction"

if Obama is not the president then ...Joe Biden...we are screwed.

I hope Drudge shows the courage he had in 1998 with sherrif Arpaio's suit. It looks pretty convincing to me that the birth Certificate was not simply copied. Drudge could end the war with Iran before it starts.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:09 | 2235130 Spirit Of Truth
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I got a charge out of the birth registrar's signature on Obama's laughably photoshopped birth certificate: "U.K.L. Lee" in ukulele, the native Hawaian instrument:

Hey....but what does the truth matter in this day and age.  Everyone around me is "above the truth".  Now how wise is that?

BTW, the article above is rank anti-American propaganda, which I understand is in vogue here.  Just remember when you are hiding underground from radioactive fallout that maybe you opted to empower the wrong side.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:13 | 2235137 Transformer
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Lennon Hendrix, where are you now.  This is the discussion you've been wating for.  It's all here, in black and white, being explained.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:00 | 2235238 economics1996
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Iran likes the tension, high oil prices, but will they take the bait?

They would be stupid and I do not think so.

Obama would do anything to get re-elected, war, peace, sucking cock. If the Yids tell him to bomb he will.

No land war, no his style.

If Israel wants to get rid of Obama and fuck up Iran why hit the hard targets, the nuke sites? Bomb the shit out of Iran’s oil production facilities and watch gas go up to $10 a gallon before the USA election. Gets rid of Obama and causes massive inflation in Iran.

If I were Israel that’s what I would do.

If I were the USA I would delay the game till after the election.

If I were Iran I would delay the game till after the election, get China to commit, and make it a superpower struggle. The longer the game drags on the more likely the fiat collapses and the USA pulls its fleet home.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:55 | 2235318 spiral_eyes
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If WW3 is coming this is the most stupid and unbelievable shit ever

War is only good for the economy nominally. In reality, it depletes resources, destroys infrastructure and capital, decimates labour, etc. 

Even the supposed benefit of a few years of stronger natural selection might not hold; nukes kill indiscriminately.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:37 | 2235400 ndotken
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Citizen:  "Mr. Panetta ... just tell us the truth."

Panetta: "Which truth?"

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:50 | 2235427 economics1996
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SE, yes sir you are correct, but we are talking politicians and elections.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:19 | 2235170 TruthInSunshine
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Spirit of Truth is literally insane.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:19 | 2235250 Spirit Of Truth
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The species of man is literally insane:

So who do you trust?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:34 | 2235304 Optimusprime
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"Manic-depressive man".  Nice.  You might be onto something there.


Keep working that vein.  The results might be quite valuable.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:56 | 2235319 Benjamin Glutton
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Though I have no arguement with the overall assesment "War is Coming" I do find fault with some assertions.


If the Republican presidential primary has proven anything, besides the propensity for politicians to offer only vague pronouncements and crowd pleasing sound bites on complex issues, it’s that the bloodthirsty urges of the GOP are incapable of being quenched.


Both GOP/DEM are bloodthirsty. The only difference between them is that one can be openly bloodthirsty and the other MUST hold back otherwise it would be too obvious to the American populace that they totally lack representation. Think back to The Nam situation wherein all out warfare was initiated by the Dem and fully supported by GOP. Who spoke for the People? No one spoke for the People thus they were highly motivated to take to the streets in a heroic effort to end the war. TPTB and MIC  learned this lesson going forward leaving us with a reluctant warrior party(Dem) and a gung ho(GOP)warrior party but let there be no doubt they are without appreciable difference on US hegemony.


The breakaway nation of Washington,D.C. has already committed to attacks on Iran with various special forces and covert industrial operations. Obviously, the so called "sanctions" were never intended to put intolerable pressure on Iran but instead are in fact a preparatory strategy designed to force a necessary WORLDWIDE advance adjustment to reduced availability of oil upon commencement of all out warfare. 

Make no mistake this war IS well underway. Informing the actual United States of the whys and wherefores by way of scripted psy-ops is all that remains.

Battles happen and are fluid but initiation of war itself IS precisely planned performance art.

Surrender now Iran while you can still force reasonable terms.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 09:11 | 2242905 nmewn
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"The breakaway nation of Washington,D.C..."

Now that is a concise, easily absorbed concept that anyone can wrap their head around.

Thanks ;-)

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:28 | 2235214 lasvegaspersona
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I am NOT a 'Birther'. I do not want to have to waste my time running down some kooky theory put out by weirdos. After seeing the evidence put together by Arpaio and the local DA however I am having a hard time ignoring the facts. me how the file released by the Whitehouse was not a forgery, refute the explanation given by Arpaio. OR show me that it is a different file...I doubt that though because I heard on day one that 'it was an obvious forgery' and a product of Photoshop and not the state of Hawaii.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:30 | 2235256 Spirit Of Truth
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Even how microfilm in the national archives is scrubbed clean for the period during which there'd be a record of a newly born Barack Obama being brought into the country from a foreign nation.  Show how Barack Obama was issued a CT-based SS#, a state he never resided in. Etc., etc., etc.

Of course, the real question you should be asking yourself is, how could everyone get everything so incredibly wrong?

Well....that's kind of the point of the DJIA reaching 13K in the face of every indication possible that the whole system is rotten to the core and on the verge of complete collapse.

Hence, my point: the world we live in is insane.

So why continue to cooperate in your own demise?

And I'm the crazy one?

Au contraire...

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:00 | 2235460 economics1996
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The fact that this story is still around 5 years later is a pretty good indication that something is not right.  You may not be a birther but you may be closed minded.  

This issue needs to be settled one way or the other before the 2012 election. 

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:32 | 2236248 RichardP
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This issue needs to be settled one way or the other before the 2012 election.

The issue has been settled.  The U.S. Supreme Court has refused to consider lower-court rulings that no one has yet proved their case that the President is not a U.S. Citizen.  That will not change.  No one will succeed in any State in getting Obama barred from being on the ballot in the November elections.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 11:41 | 2236008 tsx500
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+++1000 on that link !  yes everyone needs to see Barnhardt's write-up on Arpaio's investigation.   i agree w/ you... pretty solid 'evidence' presented there !     also the new Breitbart  video stuff at  is a must-see !

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:46 | 2235266 fredquimby
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I tweeted about them dropping "leaflets" over Afganistan the other day.

It was a picture on the front of USA Today.....

Funny looking leaflets to me.....



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:57 | 2235449 johnQpublic
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nice catch

they need to drop some of those 'leaflets' over philly area

the '100' variety please

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:55 | 2235610 dick cheneys ghost
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NeoCon wet dream .....Redrawing the map in MEast.........some one stop these fuckers...these aszholes want to partition Pakistan.......

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:52 | 2235601 marathonman
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As an added bonus Iran is one of the few countries left in the world that does not have a privately controlled central bank.  Libya was one of the last few until last year.  Anyone else here see a pattern?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:18 | 2235050 The Big Ching-aso
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 After Iran and Syria what human-rights abusive government is left to attack?   Detroit?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:06 | 2235131 Zero Govt
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how about the lawless gangsters in New York?

..100 years of financial vandalism and anarchy, their time must be up no

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:59 | 2235455 johnQpublic
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starts with an "I"


rhymes with 'hell'

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:11 | 2235076 The Big Ching-aso
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This time around I hope Iranians appreciate us as much as other liberated bombed to unholy hell nations.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:10 | 2235116 resurger
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$40 Billion USD in Hard Cash!! Basel will now go to Libya Engali in case if ya dont know ... Ben giving him his helo to drop USD $140 this time on Libyans.

am so sleepy..sorry for the bullshit i wrote

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:31 | 2235163 Blackfox
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The Petrodollar & War machine.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:03 | 2235242 Rastadamus
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Exactly my dear Watson. Now the game is indeed afoot!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:36 | 2235543 The Grip
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Yep, thanks Doc. Hardest to grasp is the least complicated. Occam's strikes again.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:47 | 2235588 Lord Welligton
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And they know that those bills will not find their way back to the USA.

They could delivery virtually any amount.

The real money is in electronic digits.



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 11:06 | 2235858 SillySalesmanQu...
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Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:55 | 2235225 Element
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You can bet your butt its a land war ... in my mind it is about oil ... and the only way to claim the oil is boots on the ground. There are a LOT of troops right next door in Afghanistan and its a short hop to invade.




Don't think so Cooter, they may want the oil, but the US/NATO are struggling to even keep themselves supplied with toilet paper in Afghanistan.

The Pentagon is right now beginning to talk to the Pakistani's about obtaining passage so the US can begin to WITHDRAW forces and equipment from Afghanistan.

Launching an attack on Iran from Afghanistan ain't gonna happen, and the Gulf can be closed, plus Iraq can descend into chaos at the flick of a switch.

And the Russians and Chinese have to be taken at their word.

They are not going to just let the US take Iran, the battles would be EPIC battles of attrition.  It would not be about winning, it would be about trying to survive it.

As for Europe, maybe Russia should just turn off the gas for a week or two.  Watch European industry close its doors within days as tens of thousands freeze to death.  They'd get the hint pretty quick.

Trade sanctions are very much a double-edged sword and Russian is in a perfect position to kick ass.

(and what the fuck is wrong with the USSA, continually wanting to open-up this can of worms, at the joos behest? How strategically dumb can you get!)

Russia could also just halt all oil exports for a month ... pretty sure that would send a lovely price signal if the Strait were disputed and mined. 

At the end of WWII every one just knew that you don't get into a shooting-war with Russia.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:41 | 2235309 Optimusprime
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Good observations.  The question remains one of political will on the part of the Russians and Chinese. 


We already know what our own largely-alien elites want--whatever AIPAC demands.  The question is, do the Chinese and Russians (and ultimately the Indians and Pakistanis as well) have the nerve to stand up to them, knowing that if they don't, they will be subjected ultimately to the same treatment as Iran).

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 13:27 | 2236478 cranky-old-geezer
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The question remains one of political will on the part of the Russians and Chinese.

Russia & China have drawn the line at Iran and told America don't cross it.

So now they have to follow thru or suffer humiliation they would never be able to overcome.

I believe they'll follow thru.  There's too much at stake.  If they let America invade Iran they would have no other place to make a stand later.

But there's more.  Iran is a major oil supplier to China.  China knows America wants to cut off their oil supplies.  If China allows America to take over Iran's oil, it would do major economic damage to China.

And there's more.  China will never be in a better position to challenge America's petrodollar control of oil, and challenge America's "bullyness" around the world in general.  They have a strong military / nuclear alliance with Russia and India.

Obviously nuclear is what counts here, and yes I believe they would take it to the nuclear level if necessary to stop America.

But no, I don't believe it would be "Armageddon".  I believe America will back down rather than watch American cities nuked by Russia.

This battle wouldn't happen in the Straights of Hormuz.  It would happen on American soil ...if you view nukes as a battle.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:32 | 2235352 Vince Clortho
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A good point for consideration.  Up to this point it has been saber-rattling between Israel, Iran, U.S., Russia, and China.  With so much talk and commotion it might help to go back to the very basics.

The Global Bank Elite runs the show to a large extent in U.S., Israel, Russia and China.

The real issue here is controlling the World Oil supply (although the lucrative Drug Trade in this region of the world should not be dismissed as a factor of secondary influence).

The Bank Cartel will opt in favor of the most profitable solution.  Financing all sides in a war has always been extraordinarily profitable to the money printers.  The wild card is accidental escalation into a nuclear confict severe enough to create global effects.

My intuition is this will be managed to 1) gain control of the Oil.  2) Maximize profits, 3) Limit damage to the region.

Regarding your suggestion that Russia could easily turn off the oil spigot to Europe; that might figure into item number 2 above.


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:07 | 2235281 NeoRandian
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It is a little about oil and a little about the petro dollar. But ultimately, it is about destroying islam. Islam is not compatible with the globalist plan for a New World Order. The globalist religion was going to be atheism, but the USSR failed to crush Orthodoxy and Islam in the x-stans it controlled and China failed to crush Buddhism, etc. in its cultural revolutions. Worse, Buddhism began spreading to the US as a result of our interventions in Vietnam! Hinduism keeps people in check, but it doesn't do anything for their work ethic, and India has nukes so we can't invade them anyway.

Nope, the religion of the NWO has got to be an amalgamation of Catholicism and Protestantism, because it keeps the work ethic and the guilt that keeps people doing as they are told and believing whatever nonsense the teevees tell them. Because hey, if you'll believe a Bible full of contradictions and nonsense, you'll believe anything at all.

Islam is the big thorn in the side of the NWO and their plans for world domination. You can't erase the Quran from Islam and you can't erase Sharia from the Quran. And all those damn rules in Sharia (ban on Usury in particular) make it very tough for a global state to write its own bullshit laws to exploit the proletariat.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:35 | 2235305 MarketTruth
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Wake me up when Israel joins the NNPT like the USA, Russia, Iran, China, etc. Until Israel joins the NNPT, there is no solution to this worldwide crisis spurred by the fear-mongering of Israel (who uses their USA assets to scare the world).

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 10:25 | 2235717 CH1
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The military-industrial complex needs to sell a lot of equipment. This'll do it.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 10:57 | 2235825 andyupnorth
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Your analysis is not complete; you "forgot" to mention the other tribal "religion"... Judaism.

IMHO, Judaism and Islam are very similar wrt their tribal "us" vs "them" view of the world.  That would explain why they're constantly at war.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:06 | 2236122 Iwanttoknow
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It would be a mistake to confuse Judaism with Sabbatean /lucifer worship.FYI,I'm not jewish.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:37 | 2235401 Vince Clortho
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We, the people, long ago gave our leaders Carte Blanche to ignore the constitution.

ls Dancing with the Stars on tonight?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 10:15 | 2235681 Chief KnocAHoma
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Nah... No land war ... Yet.
It took us ten years to degrade Iraq enough to eventually roll the tanks. We'll bomb the shit out of them for a while, then send in the troops.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:40 | 2235010 TruthInSunshine
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Great article by Jim Miller.

Hope he doesn't get Mearsheimer-ized:


The ADL and Dershowitz will come for you on a witch hunt, and go Joe McCarthy on your ass, like they did with two highly respected and very competent professors at Harvard & The University of Chicago, respectively, John J. Mearsheimer & Stephen M. Walt, because those two professors had the audacity and balls to suggest, in a very professional, well-written, exceedingly well reasoned and objective scholarly work, that the Israeli Lobby has an outsized influence over the foreign policy of the United States, essentially lessening American credibility abroad, and weakening the United States diplomatically and financially, by influencing its policies to the point that it expends financial and political capital in ways that not only do not benefit Americans, but have the aggregate affect of harming the interests of Americans and The United States.

But, despite their astute and objective analysis, because they dared utter the phrase "Israeli Lobby," and attempted to strike up a constructive dialogue about its role in American Politics and Foreign Policy, Dershowitz, that (in)famous attorney who is adamant about the protection of sacrosanct 1st Amendment rights to free speech (and where does free speech more aptly belong than at a university of higher learning?), ensured that not only would Walt & Mearsheimer be ousted from their tenured positions at Harvard & The University of Chicago, but literally hounded to the point that they fled the U.S. in order to teach and write in the U.K.

So, what I'm that it's easy to see what's happened and why it's happening, even if the repercussions from talking about it, on the naive assumption that it may benefit Americans and the United States in terms of striking up a cost/benefit analysis, will certainly have Dershowitz, Abe Foxman, the ADL and a bunch of other hypoctritical, dogmatic and ravenous lunatics enaging in every dirty tactic to smear you.

Here's a great article on the whole matter from a self-professed, proud Jewish publication - [excerpt first]:


Robert D. Kaplan’s deification of John J. Mearsheimer in The Atlantic last week shows that the authors of The Israel Lobby are winning

When John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt’s The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy was published in 2007, it launched a thousand essays and op-eds, upset many Jewish readers, and sold a very respectable number of copies. What it did not do, to judge by the reviews, was convince anyone of its central argument: that an all-powerful “Israel lobby” had hijacked American foreign policy using illegitimate means, and that a small but committed group of American Jews was steering the country into disaster to satisfy their parochial interests. Yet judging from a recent spate of articles in some of the country’s most respectable mainstream publications, including the Atlantic, the New York Times, and Time, it seems that, while Walt and Mearsheimer lost the policy battle, in the long term they are winning the war, on the most important battleground of all: that of ideas and language.


Walt and Mearsheimer's 'The Israel Lobby'

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:45 | 2235312 Optimusprime
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+1  Isn't it remarkable how efficient that "nonexistent" lobby is at marginalizing its critics?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:36 | 2235002 SilverRhino
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And next up, the PERFECT false flag attack.  

Nuke detonated in or around 33 Liberty Street NYC vaporizes all the "GOLD" stored on behalf of Switzerland and Germany and completely galvanizes American sentiment into a cry for Iran's blood.  

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:55 | 2235039 hidingfromhelis
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Don't you know that gold can spontaneously "vaporize" er, combust?  No nuke required.  

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:53 | 2235180 FrankDrakman
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Does tungsten also possess that quality?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:10 | 2235286 NeoRandian
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No chance of a nuke going off in NYC. The terrorists will just hijack another plane and crash it into the underground vault to destroy all the gold, just like they did with WTC Building 7. The only thing terrorists hate more than freedom is gold.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:09 | 2235481 Baleful Runes 4 U
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False flag? I doubt that's even needed at this point.  Americans by and large are stupid, masochistic (while at the same time "identifying with the oppressor"), and in general chickenshit and will just comply with whatever happens. If gas spikes to $10/gallon in the event of a war, they will blame Iran. Perhaps they will blame obama too, but figureheads are easily swapped.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:02 | 2235241 JennaChick
Thu, 03/08/2012 - 11:43 | 2236018 chipshot
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i have the solution... have iran DROP the price of crude to 20 bux a barrel and watch TPTB have the ensuing obligatory strokes, caniptions and massive heart attacks .

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:21 | 2234981 Oh regional Indian
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In fact, the car bomb drama in India has had it's first arrest. It is a journalist working for an "Iranian Newspaper". Too funny.

Strap in, the Sun is doing it's thing, the Israeli's are doing theirs....

And meanwhile Asia is Up because of better NUMBers from Japan. that about sez it all.



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:27 | 2234990 chump666
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Actually India should be concerned with China re: Vietnam international water disputes/energy.


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:54 | 2235038 Oh regional Indian
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india is being played for a pawn in the Iran game by being off the Dollar Standard and taking and makiing payment in Rupees.

It's integral to the ME strategy, quite obvious. India is going to get Pakistaned at the appropriate moment.


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:24 | 2234985 falun bong
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Evil Empire

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:27 | 2234991 tickhound
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Think we'll win?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:30 | 2234994 LivermoreJim
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War may come but with no connection to the paranoid ranting of conspiracy theorists. Never has a site been so attractive to marginal mentalities, mediocre arguments, and to nattering nabobs(?) of negativity.
With apologies to Vice President Agnew.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:45 | 2235020 wretch
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Never?  I don't believe you.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:52 | 2235025 tickhound
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I'm willing to hear a case for Iranian liberation, protecting our freedom, or terrorist plot if you're willing to present them Jim. 

I want this to be a feel good war just like the next guy.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:26 | 2235098 resurger
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go sniff hope mother fucker, and why are you here
reading marginal mentalities jellyfish??!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:50 | 2235176 Overflow-admin
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Hey you don't know /b/ dont you???


(sorry, didn't want to talk about /b/ but really, if you think that ZH sucks you dont have a clue of what you can find in the interwebs)

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:31 | 2234995 wee-weed up
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Bomb, bomb, bomb... bomb, bomb, Iran...

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:47 | 2234999 lasvegaspersona
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Tips for a Tyrant's Apprentice:

Tyrants are everywhere, always be at war with one.

The world is dangerous. Sell the people safety, make them pay with Liberty.


 Let the people feel need then sell them Freedom from need.

Give to the poor the produce of the rich, be certain there are always pleanty of poor.

 Follow all money flows and be certain you tax at every point.

Surround youself with weaker but like minded men, find the tall and attractive and let them be the leaders. Let them be loved. Martyr them from time to time.

Control what people think by controlling what they hear. You must have power over  all media.

Control what maybe be called money, be able to produce it at will. Do not let barter arise.

People fear death, let them have god. You must have power over the churches.

To fight men must have weapons. Forbid them weapons.

Know what men are saying, listen to all their conversations. You will know which men are dangerous.

Old heros are important. Remember them but control what is remembered.

Work is important, when men are idle they revolt. Keep them employed, keep their mission confused however or they will realize their work is just a ploy.

All men are different. Be certain all men know what group they belong to and who are the enemies of their group.

Allow dissent. Let your media show the dissenters to be baffoons and fools. 


People have needs, meet their needs, let no one else do so unless it is through you.


There must be justice, control the courts and all who sit on them.



I know Machiavelli beat me by a few hundred years but just in case he missed something.... Too bad these are all already being used or I could have had a job as a consultant. 



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:52 | 2235028 CrazyCooter
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48 laws f power.



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:32 | 2235107 lasvegaspersona
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those are icky too

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:35 | 2235001 plata pura
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Any nation backing their currency with silver will be war'd upon. Jekyll Isle Cartel directive 11b. This military action has nary a thing to do with splitting atoms and everything to do with the persian musselmen quran mandated silver coinage.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:52 | 2235029 silverbullion
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@plata pura I agree with you, they are trying to protect the global fiat Ponzi scheme. Would you be so kind as to provide more info or to point me to your source(s)? I am a silver bug and always interested in this sort of thing.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:09 | 2235070 FeralSerf
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Silver backed currency strikes terror in central bankers. Therefor those that would do such a dastardly thing are terrorists. The War on Terror will root them out and send them to their deaths. G_d will be pleased. So will Jamie.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:37 | 2235005 resurger
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"Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac." —

George Orwel

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:39 | 2235009 Dr. Engali
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I stopped reading as soon as he said the blood thirsty urgers of the GOP can't be quenched.It seems to me that the democrats and the neolibs are just as blood thirsty .They just choose to look the other way when it's "their guy" bombing brown people. In my view they are all criminals and need to be held accountable . If this writer can't see that then what he has to offer is nothing but garbage.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:10 | 2235073 gwar5
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I'm sick of that too. Obama and the democrats are the warmongers. They're causing the genocide across MENA. They're even backing the MB in the ME, and they are "advising" the White House. Obama admitted using our military in Libya on authority from the "UN".  WTF?   


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:16 | 2235083 Thomas Jefferson
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Might want to educate yourself on the illuminati.  This isnt going to stop with Iran.  The US is being set up to be destroyed.  Stay mobile and pray for the wisdom to know when to leave.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:56 | 2235324 i-dog
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The "Muslim Brotherhood" is actually only the "Sunni Muslim Brotherhood" ... Shi'ites not invited.

Why, you ask? Because the Sunnis are in league with the luciferians -- in fact, a creation of the luciferian "jews" (the Kabbalists/Sabbateans) and luciferian "christians" (the Augustinians/Jesuits) -- in order to create a central planning "union" (Caliphate) across the whole MENA, to be eventually merged along with the EU and other regional unions into the NWO.

Why the distinction between Sunni and Shia? Because Sunnis revere an elected Caliph (the Caliphate, as in the Ottoman Empire) as their unquestioned leader ... in the same way that Roman Catholics revere an elected Pope. Of course, only a select group of "cardinals" get to vote. (Does that sound familiar to those in the EU?). The luciferians/Pharisees can thereby choose an appropriately talented and trained leader and appoint him for life. Only assassination, usually by poison (eg. a sudden viral cancer), will unseat him if he "disappoints". [Incidentally, any organisation that has a leader elected for life (eg. Knights of Malta, Jesuits, North Korea, Cuba) is almost certainly, ipso facto, luciferian].

In contradistinction, the Shi'ites follow a hereditary leader (the Imam) who is a direct descendant of Muhammad (well, his brother actually, but let's not get bogged down in detail). This is not acceptable to the luciferians, because such a leader has inherent power totally outside their control.

Any predominantly Shia muslim country (Iran, Syria, Bahrain, Pakistan), or any predominantly Sunni country which has a leader who is not "a team player" (Afghan Taliban, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Tunisia), will suffer a sudden "uprising" by the "people" (ie. the Muslim Brotherhood) and, if that doesn't achieve the desired outcome, an invasion by NATO to impose "democracy" (ie. a Sunni puppet).

Saudi Arabia will not be invaded because the Wahabis are totally compliant crypto-kabbalists.

Protestants and religious jews are similarly frowned upon by the luciferians because they are not blindly obedient to an exalted spokesman for their respective religions. Heck, they even question the authority of their respective archbishops and rabbis and break off into various subgroups of thought and ritual! Heretics! The religious jews of Israel will suffer the same fate as the Shi'ites and the protestants of Europe and America. Wait and see.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:20 | 2235509 taxpayer102
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Very revealing info, thanks.



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:21 | 2235512 john39
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The Talmud, revered by most orthodox Jews, is potently luciferian. As such Talmudic orthodox types, with their racism and mysogony belong squarely within the NWO.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 10:17 | 2235694 smb12321
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Illuminati, Torah, Satan, Islam is good, China & Russia are cool - Hello, I think you're getting the wrong signals from the Mother Ship.  Time for a revamp.  Jesus, articles like this really bring out the real wackos.  Thank god this is not widely disseminated or ZH would get a worse reputation than it has.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2236002 i-dog
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Islam is not "good". It was created for a purpose (hint: google "Hegelian dialectic" ... also google "Mohammad was illiterate, trained by Augustinian monks who probably wrote his Koran for him, and he married a catholic nun (amongst other underage wives)").

China and Russia are not "cool". They were created for a purpose (hint: google "Hegelian dialectic" ... also google "Stalin was trained by Jesuits" and "Lenin and Trotsky were Jews who were shipped into Russia to foment revolution" and "Mao was trained by Jesuits and supported into power by the US State Department").

Wake up, sock puppet!

PS. ZH is not worried about its "reputation" with sock puppets (or sheep). It's a debating forum. You are welcome to contribute arguments or factual corrections (if you have any).

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 06:06 | 2242806 Tompooz
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I-dog, you are right that the Muslim Brotherhood is a strictly Sunni affair. However, on the Shi'a side things are a bit more complicated. There are several different Shi'a sects, (the "Twelvers" of Iran and Iraq, Zaidi's of Yeman, 'Alawi's of Syria)  not automatically supportive of each other.

For most of the time Sunni's and Shia's regarded each other as muslims, but since the Wahhabi sect has started to dominate the muslim world financially and fringe "believers" like Al-Qa'eda are getting news coverage, Shi'as are being vilified as heretics or unbelievers. It is not widespread, but it has started to affect the situation in the Eastern province in Saudi Arabia.

I don't think the "desired outcome" as you call the NWO plan, is going to be achieved.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 07:09 | 2242822 i-dog
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"I don't think the "desired outcome" as you call the NWO plan, is going to be achieved."

I agree with you ... they're trying to herd cats, and have been attempting to do so since pre-Christian times.

Even the division into Shia and Sunni at the beginning of Islam was, IMO, an unplanned schism. "Who could have known" that a bunch of crazies would reject the appointment of a caliph and go off on their own to follow the brother of Muhammad?!

Same thing with the ongoing battle within the Catholic church between the Jesuits and the conservatives (which the Jesuits have been winning for nigh on a century now ... but it's a tenuous hold).

Same thing with the EU. They hoped to expand the EU to include the north African states, Turkey and more of the former Soviet states some years ago ... but their central planning failures mean that they are now more likely to lose members than gain new ones.

However, unfortunately, a much larger number of sheep will again become collateral damage during further attempts by the luciferians to defy natural laws and consolidate power over the whole planet.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:43 | 2235414 Jake88
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You're catching on. If you think your demacrats are better than the republicans you're an idiot. They're all warmongers.  They are all puppets of the ruling wealthy organized in the CFR (few exceptions eg. Ron Paul).  They all do the bidding of the plutocrats.  There is only one party the CFR.  Wake up America!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:04 | 2235472 AnAnonymous
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stopped reading as soon as he said the blood thirsty urgers of the GOP can't be quenched.It seems to me that the democrats and the neolibs are just as blood thirsty .They just choose to look the other way when it's "their guy" bombing brown people. In my view they are all criminals and need to be held accountable . If this writer can't see that then what he has to offer is nothing but garbage.


My, my, my.

Could it be that liberals, democrats are US citizens?
Could it be that GOP, conservatives are US citizens?

What a life enhancing discovery it would be if it was proven so.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:41 | 2235011 nah
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you can actually see nuclear weapons right outside

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:43 | 2235014 lolmao500
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Is Syria 2011 Spain 1936?

Is Syria's civil war a prelude to a larger Mideast conflict that would involve Israel, Iran, the Arab Gulf countries minus Oman (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain) and Israel?

Some knowledgeable military observers who have served or are serving in the Middle East say that the Arab Spring, which translated into chaos and intertribal warfare from Yemen to Libya to Syria, is a prelude to a much wider conflict involving Israel and Iran.

Saudi Arabia is assisting the Syrian rebels who now call themselves revolutionaries. Some "Gulfies," the colloquial label for Arab oil states in the Persian Gulf, assisted the anti-Gadhafi NATO forces in Libya last year, and Libya today is the chaotic domain of dozens of rival tribes once suppressed by the late eccentric and bloody dictator.

In the Middle East, Syria's civil war -- which some observers are calling Spain II, or a prelude to World War III -- has been under way since Feb. 17, 2011. Saudi Arabia is helping arm Syrian rebels who now call themselves revolutionaries. Russia and China are backing the Syrian dictatorship, which is allied with Iran.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:39 | 2235563 Gromit
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Damn i bet someone Assad would survive at least a year but I can't remember who it was.

My reasoning: this Syria revolt looks foreign financed, in contrast to most of the other MENA uprisings. Also Assad has important friends, which Libya did not.

Our government's propaganda campaign is kinda interesting coming from a nation that has zero tolerance for serious dissent - Waco, Ruby Ridge etc.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:52 | 2235030 Shadowsil
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when the fuck did this become OK!


Panetta: 'international Permission’ Trumps Congressional Permission For Military Actions

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:27 | 2235100 lolmao500
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The guy's a traitor.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:20 | 2235251 Element
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Interesting to watch the reactions of Army guy behind Panetta.

He sure as hell didn't seem to want the US Congress in the decision-loop on War.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:34 | 2235263 rufusbird
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Did I hear him say "We don't need no stinking Congressional Approval?"

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:59 | 2235621 rufusbird
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Yes! And the look on his face, and his body language also said, " You heard me right! and with this president authority shit, we can do anything we decide to do!...and we will. "

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 13:42 | 2236530 Mysteerious Roo...
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But only I AM Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman.


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:52 | 2235031 miltiadis
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All your base are belong to us

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:53 | 2235034 Thomas Jefferson
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What a lovely nation we have devolved into right America?  Time to get out of here.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:51 | 2235235 Incubus
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This nation hasn't been shit since Hamilton had his grubby hands all over it.


I love the irony of all of you worshiping the constitution.  Big Government whores.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:13 | 2236148 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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According to the Obomber & Bush Administrations, the old elder statesman Thomas Jefferson would be a terrorist & probably sent to Guantanamo.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 02:56 | 2235043 JR
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It is unfortunate that American media is spreading Israel’s propaganda that Iran has nuclear weapons. This, is in spite of the fact that US officials do not believe Iran’s nuclear program is developing a weapon.

Today, McClatchy Newspapers has released an in-depth analysis on just how Israel has fanned worldwide press reports to claim that Iran is developing a nuclear weapon in an attempt to provoke a US attack on Iran. The cost of this propaganda, if swallowed by a gullible public, may culminate in World War III.

Coordinating media coverage before critical world events, writes Sheera Frenkel, such as that of Israeli Agent 83  on the workings of an Iranian “hypothetical bomb.” was critical to this Israeli effort

The agent showed off the “model of what a potential Iranian nuclear bomb might look like” to foreign reporters in 2009, the third time he had been asked to showcase his “expertise,” and within days Agent 83’s “story appeared in articles across the U.S. and Europe — Iran had advanced technological understanding of the workings of a nuclear weapon.

“It was one of dozens of ‘exclusives’ on Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program, the majority of which had originated with Israeli sources.

Such access to Israeli experts for international journalists has been critical to spreading Israel's view that Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons program,” writes Frenkel.

Here are a few additional paragraphs from the article:

“Israeli officials acknowledge that the widespread acceptance in the West that Iran is on the verge of building a nuclear weapon isn't based just on the findings of Israeli intelligence operatives, but relies in no small part on a steady media campaign that the Israelis have undertaken to persuade the world that Iran is bent on building a nuclear warhead.”

An Israeli Foreign Ministry official “marveled at how the topic has become a major one in the United States. ‘U.S. politicians were falling over each other to talk about Iran,’ he said. "In some ways, that is a huge success for Israel.’"

“In the year after U.S. intelligence agencies published a 2007 National Intelligence Estimate that downplayed the Iranian nuclear threat, an unprecedented number of leaks over Iran's alleged progress on nuclear weapons was released to the press. They culminated in reports published in Israeli newspapers that Iran had secret uranium enrichment facilities.”

Read more here:

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 08:33 | 2235132 Bringin It
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JR - lot's of Zino-trolls out today.  Is this due to Purim or is it all hands on deck for launch?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:21 | 2235362 gookempucky
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Its also unfortunate that the ussa has subsidized israel ---- a major fiat ponzi crash would silence the war drummmmsss.

pt below is from the above CRS report. Emphasis added.
"Israel is not economically self-sufficient, and relies on foreign assistance and borrowing to maintain its economy. Since 1985, the United States has provided $3 billion in grants annually to Israel. Since 1976, Israel has been the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, and is the largest cumulative recipient since World War II. In addition to U.S. assistance, it is estimated that Israel receives about $1 billion annually through philanthropy, an equal amount through short- and long- term commercial loans, and around $1 billion in Israel Bonds proceeds.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 10:08 | 2235648 smb12321
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You wn the award for the dumbest post.   Israel is a food and material EXPORTER.  Her neighbors - Jordan, "Palestine", Egypt, Syria - would love to be in her place.  If you read anything besides propoganda blogs you'd see that she is undergoing a major economic and technical renaissance (by far the best in the Middle East).  No srusprise considering the educational levels and female opportunnities viz a viz her neighbors. 

You should  know that the assistance she (and Egypt - who has squandered the billions in aid) gets is part of a deal brokered by the US.  Considering the oil revenues for the past 40 years, her neighbors should be islands of prosperity instead of dismal, backward kingdoms that will increasingly lose relevance as oil fades - Dubai and the like being the exception.  



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:54 | 2236361 JR
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What a kind of an ally requires $3 billion a year to prop it up and constant defense using vetoes against the wishes of the rest of the nations in the UN?  And why does this highly technical, highly educated, super society need somebody else to provide its bunker busting bombs? You also didn't refer to the massive amounts of private money sent the Likud Party and Israeli institutions from extremely wealthy American Zionists (such as the Sheldon Adelsons practically financing the Likud Party) and the dozens of American Zionist organizations lobbying the US Congress for largesse.

Sat, 03/10/2012 - 08:43 | 2242890 Bringin It
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Sea of Galilee shrinking.  The greening ot the desert is not sustainable.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:01 | 2235052 gwar5
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Owebama is back channeling Iran to pause things until after November so he can get re-elected...  under Shariah Law, Iran must grant three wishes to fellow muslims.


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:49 | 2235425 AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh.

It really takes US citizen self persuasion power to believe in the Obama behaves that way because he is a muslim tale.

Obama is your typical US citizen president.Nothing less. Nothig more.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:29 | 2235528 john39
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Yeah, just more Orwellian games. Obummer's mother was a cryptos and and his administration are slaves to Zionism. But to hide that fact his handlers create the Muslim myth to mind control the zombie Americans who still think that theevil Muslims are out to take our precious freedom.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:03 | 2235058 miltiadis
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Nuke Them!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:22 | 2235095 miltiadis
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People have lost their sense of humor... 

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:37 | 2235399 j0nx
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Well you meant that as sarcasm which I caught, but unbelievably MOST Americans by far really are in support of squashing Iran over this. I thought otherwise but yesterday's cnn poll shows 65% of Americans are supportive of using the military to stop Iran. And this is on the most liberal news site in the world! Imagine what the fox news poll would have shown. Granted these polls can be and probably are manipulated by the powers that be to make it look like there is public support for a military strike but in my daily travels I keep hearing people talk about it and most are in favor of bombing Iran. I think Americans have had a general distrust and negative feeling towards Iran since the hostages in the late 70's and genuinely feel that it is a country of terrorists in need of being culled. Without doubt the joos will have their bidding done. I feel bad for the military men who are about to get the shaft again in the form of more 3rd world desert warfare. The only way to stop this is China and Russia unequivocally stating that they will see an invasion of Iran by America/Israel as an act of war towards them and their interests which will be dealt with appropriately. That MIGHT give the lizards running this country pause. Maybe.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:51 | 2235431 my puppy for prez
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A great article dispelling all of the myths regarding Iran/Israel:

Read it and pass it on!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:51 | 2235433 AnAnonymous
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Waoooo. Big, big revelation you brought.

So US citizens will support a war against Iran?

How unexpected. Who could have possibly guessed?

It is not like so many US citizens live off blood money and war dividends, those freedom, truth and justice loving people.

That is not possible.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 12:08 | 2236127 Blue Horshoe Lo...
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If 65% of Americans support another war, that means 65% of the country are stupid fascists.

I wonder what % of that will actually suit up & fight.  

I'll wager 97% of that 65% are armchair generals & couch commanders.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 14:33 | 2236695 headless blogger
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You can't believe CNN polls anymore than you can believe what comes out of US 'think tanks', presidential offices, etc. Go look at landdestroyer.blogspot. He has some good articles on how CNN is deceiving the public with heavy propaganda on Syria. Even that CIA agent, Anderson Cooper, had to try to absolve themselves when it became known how the Syrian opposition is the one causing most the atrocities.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:16 | 2235084 headless blogger
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These people need to get their kids signed up for military. They aren't coming for my kids since I have been anti-war from day 0 thru now.

If they do come for my kids they will have to get past my machete first. They rarely send their own to die for their own class, the Elites.  They propagandize to

the poor and those with lower IQ and take advantage of such people.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:45 | 2235416 j0nx
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No, in this case they just crash the economy and make things so shitty with no other opportunities for young kids but to join the military and they will have all the fresh hamburger they need for their war. The way I see it is a middle class kid has 2 options now. 1.) take on $100k worth of student loans in the hopes of maybe being able to get a $50k a year professional job upon graduation or 2.) join the military, get sent to the wars and pray they make it home alive to use the G.I. bill to go to college. Learning a trade now, finding a job in that field and making a living doing that is a joke because illegal mexicans have COMPLETELY taken over blue collar work. If I was 18 now I'd be joining the military because I'd have no other options and I consider myself to be pretty intelligent. And here I am with a kid on the way. I fear for her future...

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:21 | 2235093 RECISION
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The thing I can never understand about the "Bomb Em" brigade is what exactly they imagine the consequences would be of starting a war with Iran? I can only imagine they haven't thought about it at all.

Afghanistan is a direct neighbour of Iran. The US has thousands of troops there.  But that is still orders of magnitude less than Iran could surge into Afghanistan in the event of a war.

All US forces in Afghanistan could be in the bag in a fortnight.

Then the Iranians would have thousands of Hostages. 

The last Iranian hostage saga was not a happy experience for the US...


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:32 | 2235104 lolmao500
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Yeah if they think the Pakistani military is gonna take the USA BS anymore, they are kidding themselves.

The troops in Afghanistan are ALL DEAD if war with Iran kicks off.

Iranian troops, Pakistan troops, Afghan troops and probably Iraqi troops are gonna go in Afghanistan and go kill some US soldiers.

If you are white/black and in Afghanistan when a war against Iran kicks off, you're most likely gonna DIE.

Russia is gonna cut off the other supply route to Afghanistan. Pakistan is gonna shoot down the air supply...

It'll be war all over, the US will either have to retreat (yeah right) or call in a draft and invade the whole freaking middle-east. (Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain) it's gonna be one hell of a mess. Saudi Arabia will probably fall. Bahrain, Jordan and Egypt too.

Ya think 1.3 trillion deficit is big?? Wait till they call in a draft and ask for 10 million + troops to invade the whole freaking middle east...

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:29 | 2235258 Element
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The US will not muster 10 million troops like that, they're much too inviting.

Tactical nuke's purpose is to destroy large offensive military concentrations.

And the Russians would use them, they already said they would use nukes (in December and again in January).

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:52 | 2235435 j0nx
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Agreed. The days of large numbers of troops are long gone. They are too easily taken out like that. Not to mention the logistics of supplying them in that kind of environment. Most of today's warfare will be done with air power with the increasing use of drones and mobile special forces units.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:45 | 2235581 Gromit
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You may win that way but cannot hold what you have won.


Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:47 | 2235231 Kiwi Pete
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+1 Recision. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at that last meeting between the leaders of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran. If it all kicks off against Iran whose to say the Pakistani nukes will stay in their bunkers?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:26 | 2235099 lolmao500
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In other news...

- Kucinich kicked out of congress

- $1B of TSA Nude Body Scanners Made Worthless By Blog

- Most of the world covered in nuclear particules from Fukushima : study

- Retired Generals To Obama: No War With Iran

- China To Increase Military Spending By 11.2%

- Top senator threatens Iran with congressional authorization of war against Iran

- 58% of Israelis oppose Israel strike against Iran

- Bibi asked Panetta for bunker buster bombs and Obama said alright

- Panetta : international permission trumps congression permission for military action

- UK : Iran developping nukes to strike London

- CNN busted doing fake syrian news!

- US admits troops in 5 asian countries.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:54 | 2235269 Element
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- CNN busted doing fake syrian news!


Unfreakin believable ... nah, actually ... it's very believable  ... I've personally seen reporters collude to make shit up, many times ... it's horrifying when you realise its routine, and hear first hand how they can put it on to camera.  It's ALL entertainment to project mental imagery.  It's all lighting and sound effects and mood music, plus bad but glossy acting, presentable faces, absurd claims, sickening false-emotionalism, hand-wringing guilt-trips, and an endless series of lies and exhortations to intervene.

Same as it ever was, only now more people know its being routinely done--this absolutely is not the exception, or an aberration, this is really how it's always being done.

The first time I saw this happening all I could think was, "if people only knew how TV really comes about", ... it would be over, like a bunch of greyhounds catching a mechanical rabbit.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:46 | 2235313 smlbizman
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remember the broad in the canoe reporting on some flood...than a guy walked behind her in ankle deep water?

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:35 | 2235108 headless blogger
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I really think people need to get more aggressive. These people are not going to stop until they are stopped. They strip our nation of its wealth to enrich themselves and create for themselves massive power bases. They looted the nation and now they have to loot the world to keep their power habit going. They do all this with illegal propaganda and with everyone else's kids.

Do we get nice roads and bridges for all our work and money? No. Does everyone have access to a doctor for all the money the government takes? No. Do we have Schools of excellence for the young for all our tax dollars shoved into the educational coffers? No.

Do we get anything for our tax dollars and money they have looted? YES we do....We get the bill for trillions of dollars worth of wars, bombs, and massive embassies (Iraq Embassy is bigger than Vatican City and cost almost a Trillion dollars), Banking Frauds that cost even more than the military industrial complex, bailouts to car makers and airlines, and best of all (sarcastic) we will all get the final bill, when it comes due, for ALL THE REPARATIONS to the world nations. Don't fool yourself, it will happen and it will take a couple hundred years to pay off. You just can't go into places like Fallujah, use toxic chemicals and depleted uranium, and think you will be considered a Cultured People by others around the world. Sorry, It just does not work that way.

No; you didn't get anything for the money you have paid, but future heartache and suffering.

These people will pin this all on YOU, when they need to. It needs to stop.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:57 | 2235187 Iconoclast
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Great post headless, if only a true leader would issue such a statement..he'd be assassinated in seconds, but all the same, top posting..

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 08:58 | 2235452 AnAnonymous
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They strip our nation of its wealth to enrich themselves and create for themselves massive power bases. They looted the nation and now they have to loot the world to keep their power habit going.


Buzzz. Wrong order.

They looted the world first and are now coming back home because it is the last place left to be looted.

Quite convenient to think that the shock is over, that some other guys are going to be pushed under the train to allow you to look the other side and take your little brown enveloppe.

That time is going over. They are coming for you.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:36 | 2235109 Bringin It
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Dear author -re. About 33,000 American military deaths in Iraq

from your link - there have been 33,000 Americans wounded by official count, not dead as you claim.

from your link - there have been 4,486 deaths.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:39 | 2235113 non_anon
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on Drudge

Panetta: 'International Permission’ Trumps Congressional Permission For Military Actions

and saw or read somewhere that the last time the US Congress authorized war was WW2, all other wars are illegal.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:49 | 2235121 BlackholeDivestment
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...prophecy coming to pass. The fact is, the Great Tribulation beings exactly where we now see it on our stage. 

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 03:55 | 2235122 jomama
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we need oil, bitchez!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:15 | 2235142 Aquarius
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Just as a matter of interest, the map above shows that there are no US Bases in Iraq. Did Iraq win that US invasion and confiscate all their machines, or is it just "withdrawal propaganda"?

Obviously Obama has no say in running the USA as he is a flake and they have a Robo-pen to sign him off anyway.

Expect the war just to keep those of Power, in Power.

Law trumped Reason,

Power trumped Law,

Only Ethics can trump Power

(and there ain't any of that around these days)

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:10 | 2235203 Iconoclast
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The personnel and hardware the USA has parked in the ME is terrifying..circa 200k armed personnel? There for a medium to long term game plan. The squeeze is on, it's stomach churning..

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:30 | 2235159 malagawatch
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It is all and only about the petrodollar - stupid! Greetings from Lybia and Iraq!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:04 | 2235192 Iconoclast
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I wonder how many people actually pull out a map or google the middle east and just look at it..for a while and think..

Syria + Iran = game over in this huge real life game of risk. Give me evil I can see, such as the arguably noble intentions v the nazis, than this sophist war waged versus countries to simply steal their finite resources that'll last no more than 80 years, a blink of an eye in terms of evolution...

If Iran did want "the bomb" who could blame them? Only Putin and the Chinese can save this now...fukc, who'd have thought..

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 06:32 | 2235260 KickIce
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It appears that the CBs are down to two options, print or war.  Both will raise the price of gasoline but I think they would prefer war to deflect the blame.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 04:30 | 2235160 zilverreiger
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This article is a stupid hitpiece, move on warmongers, go back under your rock.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:05 | 2235194 Hobbleknee
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The map is missing bases in Iraq.


compare gold and silver prices

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 11:26 | 2235901 haskelslocal
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Election year America. Election year Iran. Election year Isreal (refferendum). Hello?

And does it ever stirke anyone curious that speaking at an AIPAC meeting wouldn't allude to participant fears/desires?

Metallica rarely changes their set to play Katie Perry songs to the leather clad faithful. You play what they came to hear!

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:06 | 2235196 CheapPanderingCrony
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As opposed to the accusations of war mongering. Israel has every reason to be concerned about an Iranian b-mb. Yes, Iranian leaders repeatedly talk about Israel's end coming "very soon." THey make direct and indirect threats everyday.

However the risk isn't only of Iran droping a nuke on Israel. The simple fact of Iran posessing nukes, when it is already beligernt, sending weapons, money and soldiers to attack Israel to Hamas, in Gaza. To Hizbulla in Lebanon, etc., makes it that much more of a problem when they get a nuke. For once Iran possesses this weapon, Israel, and every other nation on the face of the earth will be that much less able to respond to Iranian agression. Iran will also be able to close the straits of Hormuz without a problem, unless the world wants a nuclear confrontation. The nuclear weapon is a shield for Iran, that will allow it to continue to export weapons and destruction.

Israel already faces Iranian weaopns on a daily basis. It has a responsibility to its public to prevent Iran from obtaining the ultimate weapon. Which not only threatens Israel's total destruction, already hinted at by Iran. But will provide a shield for Iranian proxies to ramp up smaller scale attacks on Israel.

And anybody arguing with these facts, or denying them, are either ignorant, or have a clear agenda to support Iran's abilty to continue to kill Israelis.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:13 | 2235208 Iconoclast
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Israel...move aside the promised land mumbo jumbo and it's a giant travellers park, only these gypsies refuse to keep on rollin..a country the size of Wales holds global peace in a vice..bizarre.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 05:58 | 2235237 Kiwi Pete
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Why would Iran drop a nuke on Palestine? Then the Palestinians would be totally fucked. They are their allies not their enemies. Wake the fuck up and stop believing your own propoganda.

How about Israel leading by example and scrapping their own nukes. That way no-one else in the middle east would feel the need for them. 



Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:33 | 2235303 CheapPanderingCrony
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Yea, because we know arabs never kill arabs. Why don't you pull your head out of your ass dipshit. Iran doesn't give a rats ass about the palestinians. And if you think they do, then it just goes to show how completely clueless you are.

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 07:57 | 2235320 Vlad Tepid
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It may be worse than that because the Iranians aren't Arabs.  They're more civilized which makes them more formitable...

Thu, 03/08/2012 - 09:40 | 2235565 Max Hunter
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Wait for it........... Wait for it................ Bingo.. the conditioning reinforcement

For once Iran possesses this weapon, Israel, and every other nation on the face of the earth will be that much less able to respond to Iranian agression

Fuck you.. Israhell is the agressive piece of shit illegal country!  What about their aggression against its neighbors and killing of Palestinians? 

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