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Guest Post: War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

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Submitted by Jim Quinn from The Burning Platform

War Pigs - The Fall Of A Global Empire

We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.”  -Dwight D. Eisenhower

“How far can you go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?” -Dwight D. Eisenhower

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of deaths construction

In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!
                             Black Sabbath – War Pigs

As Americans mindlessly celebrate another Memorial Day with cookouts, beer and burgers, the U.S. war machine keeps churning. As we brutally enforce our will on foreign countries, we create more people that hate us. They don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we have invaded and occupied their countries. They hate us because we kill innocent people with predator drones. They hate us for our hypocrisy regarding democracy and freedom. Just when we had the opportunity to make a sensible decision by leaving Iraq and exiting the Middle East quagmire, Obama made the abysmal choice to casually sacrifice more troops in the Afghan shithole. We have thrown over $1.3 trillion down Middle East rat holes over the last 11 years with no discernible benefit to the citizens of the United States. George Bush and Barack Obama did this to prove  they were true statesmen. The Soviet Union killed over 1 million Afghans, while driving another 5 million out of the country and retreated as a bankrupted and defeated shell after ten years. Young Americans continue to die, for whom and for what? Our foreign policy during the last eleven years can be summed up in one military term, SNAFU – Situation Normal All Fucked Up. These endless foreign interventions under the guise of a War on Terror are a smoke screen for what is really going on in this country. When a government has unsolvable domestic problems, they try to distract the willfully ignorant masses by proactively creating foreign conflicts based upon false pretenses.  General Douglas MacArthur understood this danger to our liberty.

“I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.”

Economic Opportunity Cost

“You can’t say civilization don’t advance… in every war they kill you in a new way.”  – Will Rogers

Any doubt that the Military Industrial Complex is as strong as ever should be removed after examining Obama’s 2012 Budget which has $900 billion dedicated to our military machine. We spent $370 billion in 2001, $620 billion in 2006, and now this liberal anti-war Democrat from Illinois is spending 45% more than that war monger Bush who was burned in effigy by the anti-war Democrats during Iraq War protests. It seems both parties are war pigs.

The Soviet Union collapsed in 1989, leaving the United States as the only remaining superpower on earth. Since 1990, the United States has depleted the U.S. Treasury of $11.5 trillion for spending on War. With no military on earth capable of challenging us why would there be a need to spend this much on the military? Over this same time frame the U.S. spent $500 billion on science, space & technology and $70 billion on energy, a mere 6% of the spending on invading sovereign countries. Military expenditures benefit humanity in no way. If these trillions had been invested by the private sector or devoted to energy and scientific research, our economy might not be a hollowed out shell, dependent on China for financing and oil exporting countries for energy. Neo-Cons argue the Arms Industry employs millions and benefits the country. These companies employ brilliant engineers and scientists who spend their days developing weapons that kill people more efficiently. If they had been employed manufacturing high tech goods to export around the world, inventing new technologies that didn’t obliterate human beings, newer safer nuclear power plants, a more efficient electric grid, upgrading our deteriorating infrastructure, or finding a cure for Alzheimer’s, would the United States be better off today?

The National Debt in 1990 was $3.2 trillion. Today, it is $15.7 trillion. This is a 500% increase in twenty-two years. What benefit has $11.5 trillion of spending on War produced for the United States or the world? In 2001, spending on Defense was 17% of total governmental spending. In 2012, Defense, Homeland Security, and war spending account for 25% of government spending. In the meantime, major cities experience blackouts due to an overloaded electrical grid, our 156,000 structurally deficient bridges crumble, one hundred year old water pipes burst under our streets every day, and we transfer over $300 billion per year to foreign countries for our precious oil. The 19 terrorist hijackers who implemented their plan with box cutters, spent less than $500,000 to pull off their 9/11 acts of terror – not war. The United States will directly spend at least $3 trillion on our wars of choice in response, while turning our country into a prison camp and stripping our citizens of their freedoms and liberties for perceived security and safety.

You would think we must be trying to keep up with our enemies by spending $900 billion per year on past and present military adventures. But one look at the following chart reveals the United States is spending almost as much as the rest of the world combined. The two countries considered potential rivals, China and Russia, spent $200 billion combined in 2010. This is 22% of U.S. spending. From a foreign viewpoint, one must wonder why the U.S. is spending such vast sums on our military. They can only conclude that it is for offensive intentions rather than defensive. The United States soil has not been attacked by a foreign power since December 7, 1941. Prior to that surprise attack, a foreign power hadn’t attacked the U.S. since the War of 1812. With this stupendous level of wasteful spending, our leaders feel compelled to interfere in the business of sovereign states and dictate how they should govern their nations . When you have an enormous hammer, every country looks like a nail.

Laughably, the neo-con hawks and Fox News pundits declare that our military is a hollow shell and needs much greater funding to insure our safety from attack by our many enemies. Other countries, such as China and Russia, feel they have no choice but to increase their expenditures on the military. On a percentage basis, they have more than doubled their expenditures in the last ten years, and still are a drop in the ocean compared to  American Empire spending. The fact is that the U.S., China and Russia all have enough nuclear weapons to obliterate the world – mutually assured destruction. The United States could realistically protect itself from attack with only the 18 ballistic missile nuclear submarines we have in commission.

When did Americans lose their ability to distinguish between intellectual and moral pygmies like George Bush, Barack Obama and Mitt Romney versus statesmen like Dwight D. Eisenhower? The Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive war when our country was not threatened has proven to be financially and diplomatically disastrous and his blueprint is being followed by our Nobel Peace Prize President in his saber rattling with Iran. Following this policy puts them in fine company.

“Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.” -Dwight D. Eisenhower

The U.S. borrowed $807 billion from China, Japan and oil exporting countries to wage a war in Iraq that was based on false pretenses. None of the terrorist hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis, they had no links to Al Qaeda, and Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Historian Barbara Tuchman description of “war as the unfolding of miscalculations” was never so fitting. In 2002, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld estimated the costs of the war in the range of $50 to $60 billion, a portion of which he believed would be financed by other countries. The United States invaded Iraq to secure the 115 billion barrels of oil reserves, pure and simple. We traded the blood of young Americans for oil because we chose to not develop a cohesive logical energy policy in the last 30 years. Americans, not in the military, sacrificed nothing in the last 11 years of war. We bought BMW SUVs, 6,000 square foot McMansions, flat screen HDTVs, iPads, iPhones and Rolexes while less than 1% of Americans fought and died, with the cost passed to future unborn generations. We are a country of chickenhawks, willing to sacrifice the few so the ruling class can comfortably relax on their decks sipping wine, believing Fox News propaganda about terrorists lurking behind every bush, and filling up their Mercedes convertibles for their excursions to the summer cottage in the Hamptons.

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.”  – Dwight D. Eisenhower

 As we spend $900 billion per year on instruments of destruction, 49 million Americans live in poverty, with 46 million on food stamps. There are 3 to 4 million people homeless in any given year. Military Veterans, who make up 13% of the population, account for 23% of the homeless. This is another example of Federal government politicians using young Americans to fulfill their agenda and then tossing them away like pieces of garbage. With the country supposedly three years into an economic recovery, tent cities of homeless dot the landscape across the nation. We pour billions into killing technology while millions of American families are forced to live in tents or sleep in their cars.

As the world spends $1.7 trillion per year on new methods of killing, millions die the old fashioned way.

  • 13 million people per year die from starvation in the world.
  • The FAO says that 925 million people worldwide are undernourished.  
  • For the price of one missile, a school full of hungry children could eat lunch every day for 5 years.
  • One child dies every 5 seconds as a result of hunger – 700 every hour – 16 000 each day – 6 million each year – 60% of all child deaths (2002-2008 estimates)

What kind of a civilized society allocates 44% of the taxes taken from its people to war? Only 2.5% of your taxes go to science, energy, and environment. Only 2.2% of your taxes go to education and jobs. You produce the results that you would expect from your investments. A full 13% of our population doesn’t have a high school diploma (20% of African Americans & 43% of Latinos) and only 30% have a college degree. How do we expect to lead the world in technology and research with these figures? We do lead the world in government issued student loan debt with $1 trillion and rising.

Human Cost

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgment day comes, yeah!

                    Black Sabbath – War Pigs

George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Barack Obama are cowardly politicians who never had the “pleasure” of coming under fire in battle. The brilliant anti-war novel Catch-22 describes these men perfectly.

“Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them. With Major Major it had been all three.”

The world has been a huge game of Risk for these warmongers, with young Americans as the game pieces. Instead of conquering Kamchatka in a board game, these non-veterans sent 6,470 Americans to their deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan for a false cause. Their ideology of empire convinced them they could change the world into their image of how it should be, and their re-election campaigns were funded with millions from the purveyors of death – the arms industry.

“In modern war… you will die like a dog for no good reason.” – Ernest Hemingway

Another 47,545 Americans have been badly wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Three of these despicable politicians have written their memoirs, raking in millions for telling lies and half-truths. The 6,470 dead Americans won’t have a chance to write their memoirs or get rich. They will never get a chance to see their kids’ graduate college or walk their daughter down the aisle at her wedding. Their children will grow up with a giant hole in their hearts. Their widows will never recover from their endless heartache.

Politician chickenhawks who send our young people to their deaths for oil and ideology will receive their reward on judgment day if there is a just God.

As National Guard troops have been deployed over and over again to Iraq and Afghanistan, they must realize that Catch-22 is alive and well in today’s military.

“There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one’s own safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn’t, but if he was sane he had to fly them. If he flew them he was crazy and didn’t have to; but if he didn’t want to he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.”

 ”That’s some catch, that catch-22,” he observed.

 ”It’s the best there is,” Doc Daneeka agreed

American soldiers, who have completed their duty to country, have been lied to and had the rules of the game changed again and again. Their politician leaders have reneged on their promises by sending men and women back to the war zone or not letting them come home on the timeline that was agreed to. Meanwhile, their families have gone bankrupt, lost their houses, and saw their marriages dissolve. Politicians started these wars and are too cowardly and prideful to accept failure.

“The military don’t start wars. Politicians start wars.”  – General William Westmoreland

Over 1,300 more Americans died needlessly when Barack Obama, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, chose to double down in Afghanistan to prove he was as tough as Bush and McCain. Another man who has never been under fire needed to prove his manliness to his opponents and his constituency. He should have studied the words of former Presidents who were under fire.

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.” - Dwight D. Eisenhower

“My first wish is to see this plague of mankind, war, banished from the earth.” - George Washington

President Obama follows the standard Presidential game plan and dutifully gives patriotic speeches at military bases proclaiming the bravery and sacrifice of our troops. These are the words of politicians. The brutal reality for troops is much different. Representative Ron Paul in November 2003 described the early mistreatment of our soldiers:

  • Fort Stewart, Georgia housed hundreds of injured reserve and National Guard soldiers in deplorable conditions who were forced to wait months just to see a doctor. These soldiers made huge sacrifices, leaving their families and jobs to fight in Iraq. They found themselves living in hot, crowded, unsanitary barracks and waiting far too long to see overworked doctors. This was hardly the heroes’ welcome they might have expected. Only an exposé in a major newspaper brought attention to their plight, prompting an embarrassed Defense department to rush additional doctors to the base.
  • Some wounded soldiers convalescing at Walter Reed hospital in Washington were forced to pay for hospital meals from their own pockets. Other soldiers returning stateside for a two-week liberty had to buy their own airfare home from the east coast. Still others paid for desert boots, night vision goggles, and other military necessities with personal funds.
  • Existing federal rules forced disabled veterans to give up their military retirement pay in order to receive VA disability benefits. This meant that every VA disability dollar paid to a veteran was deducted from his retirement pay, effectively creating a “disabled veterans tax.” No other group of federal employees is subject to this unfair standard; in every other case disability pay is viewed as distinct from standard retirement pay.

The Humvees that soldiers were forced to drive did not have enough protective armor. In December 2004, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was giving one of his usual inspirational speeches when Army Spc. Thomas Wilson of the 278th Regimental Combat Team, a unit that consisted mainly of reservists from the Tennessee Army National Guard asked him a question:

“Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to up-armor our vehicles?”

This set off what the AP described as “a big cheer” from his comrades in arms. Rumsfeld paused, asked Wilson to repeat the question, then finally replied, “You go to war with the army you have.” Besides, he added, “You can have all the armor in the world on a tank and it can be blown up.” I’m glad Donald Rumsfeld has a clear conscience. History will not be kind to this despicable excuse for a human being.

Rumsfeld also sent Americans into battle without protective body armor. Only after bad publicity did the proper protection reach the troops. The blood of dead soldiers is on Rumsfeld’s hands. While President Bush sacrificed by not golfing, terribly wounded soldiers were sent to Walter Reed Hospital to recover. Instead they entered hell on earth. Outpatient mistreatment was reported in 2004, but nothing was done. In 2004 and 2005, articles appeared in the Washington Post and in Salon interviewing First Lt. Julian Goodrum about his court martial for seeking medical care elsewhere due to poor conditions at WRAMC. A Washington Post expose in 2007 finally revealed the horrible mistreatment of our brave wounded soldiers. These reporters uncovered the following conditions:

  • WRAMC’s Building 18 was described in the article as rat- and cockroach-infested, with stained carpets, cheap mattresses, and black mold, with no heat and water reported by some soldiers at the facility. The unmonitored entrance created security problems, including reports of drug dealers in front of the facility. Injured soldiers stated they are forced to “pull guard duty” to obtain a level of security.
  • The typical soldier was required to file 22 documents with eight different commands – most of them off-post – to enter and exit the medical processing world, according to government investigators. Sixteen different information systems were used to process the forms, but few of them could communicate with one another. This complicated system has required some soldiers to prove they were in the Iraq War or the War in Afghanistan in order to obtain medical treatment and benefits because Walter Reed employees were unable to locate their records.

There was a tremendous surge in suicides by soldiers who have been pushed beyond their limits as they increased by 80% between 2004 and 2008. There are almost as many deaths by suicide as deaths in combat:

  • Overall, the services reported 434 suicides by personnel on active duty, significantly more than the 381 suicides by active-duty personnel reported in 2009. The 2010 total is below the 462 deaths in combat, excluding accidents and illness. In 2009, active-duty suicides exceeded deaths in battle.
  • Soldiers returning from long tours in Iraq or Afghanistan suffering from combat stress were sometimes met with scorn from their superiors and something bordering on neglect from some medical officials. As their largely untreated problems deteriorated, their marriages unraveled under the strain. They turned to alcohol and drugs and in some cases saw no other way out than suicide.
  • Healthcare officials at various installations who are struggling to help say they’re overwhelmed by huge numbers of troops returning from two, three or even four deployments with acute mental problems from combat.
  • Statistics on Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, obtained in 2011 through a Freedom of Information Act request by a San Francisco newspaper, found that more than 2,200 soldiers died within two years of leaving the service, and about half had been undergoing treatment for post-traumatic stress or other combat-induced mental disorders at the time.
  • For five years, beginning in 2005, a service member died by suicide every 36 hours, according to the report by the Center for New American Security.

Nearly 20% of military service members who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan — 300,000 in all — report symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder or major depression, yet only slightly more than half have sought treatment, according to a RAND Corporation report. Many service members said they do not seek treatment for psychological illnesses because they fear it will harm their careers. But even among those who do seek help for PTSD or major depression, only about half receive treatment that researchers consider “minimally adequate” for their illnesses. Recent studies expect PTSD to affect 30% of all returning veterans.

For all the glory and accolades of dying for chickenhawks like Dick Cheney, enlisted soldiers make between $17,000 and $32,000 per year. The military evidently does not prepare them well for the outside world as their unemployment rate is 12.1% versus the national rate of 8.2%. The pandering Obama gives speeches and the criminal bankers at JP Morgan have their PR maggots create TV commercials about hiring veterans, but the numbers don’t lie. A country can be measured by how well it treats its veterans. Our leaders talk a good game, but their actions prove they don’t care about the human costs of war. They are busy planning their next move in their game of Risk.

Moral Cost

Now in darkness, world stops turning
As the war machine keeps burning
No more war pigs of the power

Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of Judgment, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
All right now!

                  Black Sabbath – War Pigs

Omar Bradley, the last five star General in the U.S. military, was known as the “soldier’s general” during World War II. He was portrayed by Karl Malden in the movie Patton as a thoughtful man who cared about his troops. He was one of the key architects of the Normandy invasion and led the 12th Army Group consisting of 900,000 men until the end of the war. After the war, Bradley headed the Veterans Administration for two years. He is credited with doing much to improve its health care system and with helping veterans receive their educational benefits under the G.I. Bill of Rights. He ultimately rose to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Contrast the words of the fictional Colonel Kilgore from the movie Apocalypse Now, with the words of General Bradley:

Kilgore: I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ‘em, not one stinkin’ dink body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like
[ sniffing, pondering ]
victory. Someday this war’s gonna end…
[ suddenly walks off ]

 

“The world has achieved brilliance without wisdom, power without conscience. Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living.” - Omar Bradley

We need giants like Omar Bradley and Dwight D. Eisenhower to lead our country through the difficult times ahead. These men knew the horrors of war and didn’t act like it was a game of chess. Instead we will be led by intellectual and ethical infants, Obama or Romney. There are no wise men with a conscience and high moral standards in power today. Only those with no conscience and a willingness to lie are able to gain power in today’s world. General Bradley understood that morality was ultimately more important than power and strength in determining the progress of a country. His words are those of someone who knew we had failed in our moral duty:

“We have grasped the mystery of the atom and rejected the Sermon on the Mount.”

Peacemakers are ridiculed and shunned in America today. Those who preach diplomacy and non-interventionism, like Ron Paul, are scorned and ignored. Old men who care more about their own power than the human race are willing to sacrifice the blood of young people for precious oil, phony nationalism, their own strategic interests or corporate interests disguised as philosophical agendas. The world is a game for these old men. They care about their personal legacy and rigid ideologies. War and militarism are a failure of passion over reason. Albert Einstein, whose discovery brought about this age of potential world destruction, had no love for these blind warriors.

“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.”

The overwhelming cost of maintaining a global empire eventually bankrupted Rome and Great Britain. Treasures were wasted, young men were needlessly sacrificed in the name of the flag, and the morality of leaders sank to unprecedented levels. The U.S. had advanced financially and technologically for more than a century, but since the takeover of our economic system by private banking and corporate interests in 1913 we have seen continuous war, continuous currency debasement, and continuous moral decay. How far will we decline before a sufficient number of Americans are outraged enough to lead a new American Revolution?

Our current situation reminds me of the movie Planet of the Apes. The apes are divided into a strict class system: the gorillas as police, military, and hunters; the orangutans as administrators, politicians and lawyers; and the chimpanzees as intellectuals and scientists. Humans, who cannot talk, are considered feral vermin and are hunted and used for scientific experimentation. The United States is now in the control of gorillas and orangutans. If we continue down the current path of financial and moral decay, allowing the Military Industrial Complex, criminal bankers and corrupt politicians to push us into further world conflicts, we will experience the shock and horror that George Taylor, played by Charlton Heston, displayed in the final scene of Planet of the Apes .

George Taylor: Oh my God. I’m back. I’m home. All the time, it was… We finally really did it.

 [ screaming ]

 You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

The War Pigs must be stopped before it’s too late. The Military Industrial Complex, with the unwavering support of central bankers printing unlimited amounts of fiat currency, while controlling the scoundrel puppets in Washington DC, will destroy this country in their never ending quest for power and profits. One man fights a lonely battle against these forces of oppression. We must join his legion and take this country back from the war pigs.

“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.” Ron Paul

 

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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 17:57 | 2467701 Yousif
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The third Opium War was planned by William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton, I quote:

"After the Cole, I had battle plans drawn to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban and launch a full scale attack to search for Bin Laden, but we needed basing rights in Uzbekistan, which we got after 9/11"

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY&t=95  (go to 1:35)

Whether this war is a failure or not depends on who you are.  In my opinion these wars are devastating the peasants.  Sewing the seeds of hate among peasants everywhere.

The objectives of the NWO forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are to "engage and destroy".  Anyone saying that either country would be a smoldering hole if they did not care about collateral, then this shows massive ignorance of what is currently happening.  Iraq and Afghasnitan are smoldering holes.  Would a chicken hawk care to inform us about what else could be done?  Are we talking carpet bombing? JDAM?  All of this has taken place.  Anything else?  Show us what lurks in your degenerate minds. 

Chicken hawks wouldn't be able to tell right from wrong if one was protecting the constitution and the other was raping their own mothers.  What frustrates me is that stout young American men and women (some are very idealistic) follow those cretins and are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice in the process!  I feel that these young souls are being let down by the peasant collective.  This impotent fury at the current situation is not going to change much, there must be something that can be done to convince these people that their skills can be used for better deeds.

As a little side note, I wonder why very few complain about how the War on Terror has changed American Culture.  Perhaps Hollywood and the MSM have convinved the Americans that they are nothing more than wreckless, chain smoking warriors that are going to save the world by bombing everything in sight.

Perhaps some reflection on everything that has happened during the past decade is in order.

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:20 | 2468985 The Alarmist
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"Perhaps Hollywood and the MSM have convinved the Americans that they are nothing more than wreckless, chain smoking warriors that are going to save the world by bombing everything in sight."

Then they are doing nothing more than re-hashing the old Mr. Neutron sketch from Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 17:48 | 2467721 q99x2
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Most of the military expense is going toward a civil war against the US by Obama and NATO. Not long till the collapse. FEDs have to do it before they run out of money. When Panetta said he takes orders from NATO ain't much stopping him from bombing the US.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 17:55 | 2467732 blunderdog
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I, for one, give a hearty thank you to Jim Quinn for writing an article that's not a rehash of The Fourth Turning.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 10:01 | 2471416 Bob
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+1 (campaign tract for Neoliberal Messiah Ron Paul notwithstanding.)

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 17:59 | 2467745 saywhat
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So, two questions -- when was the last Obama press conference (read: no teleprompter)....and why does te press give him a free pass on this subject.

He is a disgrace, and the MSM is a bunch of hypocrites.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 10:02 | 2471430 Bob
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MSM staff are little more than more hard workin' American toadies doing the bidding of their Corporate Overlords/employers.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 18:12 | 2467780 10mm
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And the beat go's on,and the beat go's on.There will be wars and rumors of war.Nothing new under the sun.No peace till the Prince of Peace.But i guess it's good to vent.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 18:13 | 2467783 israhole
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It's a Jew World Order and all our conflicts right next to Israel, and Goyim are the dumbed-down 99% who murder for the crooks.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 18:58 | 2467885 Disenchanted
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Two things...

 

Chalmers Johnson - Blowback 'trilogy'

 

Letters Home From the Garden of Stone - Everlast

http://youtu.be/10ej46Mhshg

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 19:17 | 2467931 Taint Boil
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Wow - I think this is the best post ever on Zero Hedge. All those young kids killed .......... in the name of what? I hate those warmongering fucks.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 19:18 | 2467933 OC Money Man
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It is especially disappointing that a respected provider of insightful analysis, such as Zero Hedge, would allow Jim Quinn to go so low as to use a picture of a little boy receiving a folded flag from a Marine at a military funeral to disparrage America on Memorial Day.      

aving established himself as a sleazeball, Mr. Quinn moves on to extolling the virtue of Dwight D. Eisenhower as an isolationist President.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Eisenhower chose to run as a Republican in 1952 to stop Robert Taft from turning the Republican Party into non-isolationists.  

Eisenhower as President funded and backed the Cold War containment strategy that gave open support to ruthless dictators such as Chaing Kin Taiwan and General Franco in Spain.  He gave the CIA an unlimited hunting license to kill and maim millions through"covert actions" under NSC-162.  The CIA's successful coup d'estat of the democratically elected Mohamed Mosaddag in Iran began the radicalization of Muslims around the world and directly led to the American disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Eisenhower's peace loving efforts led him oppose the Geneva Convention's partition of Viet Nam after the popular overthrow of the corrupt French government in Indo-China by H Chi Minm, America's WW2 ally.  In 1955, Eisenhower sent American troops into South Viet Nam as military advisors.  For the next 17 years American draftees would be bled in Viet Nam.

Mr. Quinn's has every right to try to advance his agenda with dishonest proaganda.  Zero Hedge readers are usually quick to help educate a pygmy intellectuals, like Mr. Quinn.  But trying to use a picture of a close up of the the tears of a little boy accepting the flag of a greatful nation at a military funeral as propaganda is morally degenerate.        

 

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 19:36 | 2467980 Disenchanted
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The use of the word isolationist against those such as Ron Paul who advocate against interventionism and constant meddling all around world is neo-con(zionist) propaganda.

 

 

During the 1990s, the intellectual offspring of Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz repeated this trick. By the end of that decade, neoconservatives were no longer insurgents; they had transformed themselves into establishment figures. Their views entered the mainstream of public discourse and became less controversial. Through house organs like the Standard, in essays published by influential magazines such as Foreign Affairs, through regular appearances on TV talk shows and at conferences sponsored by the fellow-traveling American Enterprise Institute, and via the agitprop of the Project for the New American Century, they warned of the ever-present dangers of isolationism and appeasement, called for ever more munificent levels of defense spending, and advocated stern measures to isolate, punish, or overthrow ne'er-do-wells around the world.

 

As a mark of the growing respectability of such views, each of the three leading general-interest daily newspapers in the United States had at least one neocon offering regular foreign policy commentary -- Max Boot writing for the Los Angeles Times,, David Brooks for the New York Times, and both Charles Krauthammer and Robert Kagan for the Washington Post. Neoconservative views also dominated the op-ed pages of the Wall Street Journal. As a direct consequence of this determined rabble-rousing, neocon views about the efficacy of American military power and the legitimacy of its use gained wide currency. On issues ranging from ethnic cleansing in Bosnia to the "rise" of China to the proper response to terror, neoconservatives recast the public policy debate about the obligations imposed upon and prerogatives to be claimed by the sole superpower. They kept the focus on the issues that they believed mattered most: an America that was strong, engaged, and even pugnacious. ~ Andrew J. Bacevich

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 19:58 | 2468044 Taint Boil
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………go so low as to use a picture of a little boy……….

 

What brings a tear to my eye is that his father had to die for nothing. Quinn is spot on, very sad.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 05:25 | 2468672 Psyman
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In another context that same photo would be used for propaganda purposes and you would cheer along with the rest of the imbecile sheep.  His father died serving his Jewish masters.  His father died spreading Anglo-Zionist hegemony.  America is an aggressive warlike fascist empire.

 

You like being the big swinging dick on the play ground.  You like aggressive imperial warfare.  Some of us don't.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:04 | 2468940 OC Money Man
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What has that got to do with a chid that will never see his father again? 

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 19:18 | 2467934 dolph9
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We are in the Middle East to ensure that profits from the flow of oil go to big corporate and banking interests, and not the Arabs who live over the land.  A secondary reason is to ensure Israel is protected.

Which means we will be in the Middle East forever, until the Federal Government defaults on Treasuries, and even after that we might still be at it.

The average American muscle bound soldier is a peon, owned lock stock and barrel.  You are "free" to avoid duty if you happen to be born in a family with enough money or connections to avoid military service.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 19:24 | 2467947 mjk0259
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Please, the Arab's are not getting rich? In some countries, you get a free house along with a well paying job you don't have to go to along with free medical, electricity, etc. All work is done by slaves from South Asia and better paid slaves from Euro/US. Some Arab countries have higher per capita income than US and they don't produce anything except oil and that is done almost entirely by foreigners. Yeah, not in Iraq or Iran but Saudi/Kuwait/Gulf States - getting born there is like winning the lottery.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 19:30 | 2467967 Milton Freewater
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Please stop sending our children to war.  There are many ways to "Come Of Age".  Don't let killing be on that list.  I am not afraid of terrorists. Please do not put your life on the line me. Come home.  Your brother 

Milton

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 20:40 | 2468128 Go Tribe
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Volatility of war keeps Wall Street smiling.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 20:47 | 2468142 ich1baN
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I logged in to say this. 

The insidious forces working from within that MacArthur is speaking of is the power of the Freemasons. They comprise every single secret order and society you can think of. They are the godhead of the illuminati, the mafia, HA, the drug induced rock movement, the drug wars headed by the CIA during vietnam in Laos.

In fact the murder of JFK was a Freemason cover up by Earl Warren (the same Warren responsible for liberalizing our schools and banning public bible and prayer inside schools as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court) who headed the "Warren Commission" given the task to investigate JFKs assassination whom he loaded with members from the Council on Foreign Relations and other 32 degree masons. 

Just look at the curent board members of the CFR. The honorable chairman is currently David Rockefeller. It comprises members notably from the media, top Fortune 100 companies, and former members of high ranking government offices. They deceptively control many parts of American politics and the economy. If you don't believe me just visit their site and see who sits on their board. My point is that Freemasonry and Fiat currency go hand in hand in controlling you, conscripting you since you were born. Fractional Reserve Banking is a tool of the Freemasons my friend. Are you in or are you out? 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 05:40 | 2468680 HungrySeagull
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The Freemasons will do what they do. They believe that the Solomon's Temple will be rebuilt and direct all efforts to that end.

One thing for certain, you can count on this. Actually two.

1- A Mason will not say a damn thing about the Lodge. What happens in the Lodge, stays in the lodge.

2- Masons tend to try and make right any wrongs with friends, family etc.

I am not a Mason. However our Founding Fathers were Masons and influenced our Nation's Beginning in many ways. I don't care for the evil one known as the devil or Lucifer.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:52 | 2469073 optimator
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The only CFR board member I like to look at is Angelia Jolie.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 21:06 | 2468183 alamoillini
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There is no country in the history of man that has liberated more societies from oppressive dictatorships and regimes than the United States of America.....Our position in history is secure and we must never forget that the price of freedom is very high.

 

 

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 00:07 | 2468469 prole
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I have no idea what freedom costs, because I don't have any freedom anyway.

I live in a locked-down totalitarian police state called America.

How can I forget the price of freedom? I have no clue what is the price of something I have never seen and nobody is selling.

Do you have any further nonsensical things to say?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:48 | 2469058 optimator
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Perhaps we should re-liberate a few of our posessions, starting with Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Marshall Islands, Guam, Hawaii, to name a few.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:13 | 2469130 bshirley1968
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I would like for you to name for us the "societies" that are free today and not living under an oppressive dictatorship or regime.  List for me who we have "liberated" and how liberated they are today.

How is Europe different today than it would have been under a Hitler or Stalin?  How is South American different today since we have stuck our noses in it?  How about Asia?  Boy, we really made a difference there.  Australia or England were people's basic rights of self defense and privacy are trampled everyday?  Just where have we made this great difference?  It has been a lie!  And you are a promoter of that lie making you a liar.  Anyone that we have "saved" has been saved for our purpose and benefit.  Never have we helped someone out of the goodness of our heart but rather for political, geographical, and monetary gain.

We have taken many out of the frying pan and put them in the fire, but "liberated"?  I think not.  You need to get your head out of your ass, quit mindlessly believing what you have been told and use the brain you have to look around you and see REALITY.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 21:36 | 2468237 GlobalCtzn
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I recognize that at times I am naive and foolishly idealistic. That being said, this article deeply saddens me, and I long for better for my country and the world............

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 22:22 | 2468303 Bringin It
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Touch the 3rd rail JQ.  Tell us about 9/11.

If you can't grasp 9/11, everything else is distortion/distraction.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 23:53 | 2468401 DavidPierre
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9/11 Is THE Litmus Test which SmokeyQuinn fails every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVY-iQDO8pg

Take a couple of hours away from your heart attack inducing BBQ this Memorial Day and learn.

Loose Change - 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAmegwUdJdA&feature=related

Stop aiding and abetting the treasonous criminals!



Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:33 | 2470285 SwingForce
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Lyrics by Geezer Butler

From the album originally titled WAR PIGS (check the cover photo) but later changed to PARANOID by who other than Paranoid Record Executives. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_(album)

Audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMH37KIfYUg

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 00:17 | 2468485 Cathartes Aura
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phew! 

thought I'd entered the parallel universe on this thread - two pages and ZERO mention of the obvious!

thanks Bringin It, & DavidPierre - people, if he can't get that most important part of the narrative right, and use it as the key to unlock the rest of the lies, then it's just heart-tugging pics of a folded flag being handed to a young boy.

how many years have we seen this picture?  it's freekin' Norman Rockwell era!  enough with the senti-mental, let's talk some TRUTH.

Mon, 06/11/2012 - 01:33 | 2513438 Bringin It
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Thanks CA.  I just heard about Rand Paul.  I find myself listenning to Alex Jones rant about it.  Life imitates "art" as politics becomes WWF - the wrestling thing, not the wildlife.

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 22:41 | 2468330 prole
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Young Americans continue to die, for whom and for what?

For our Jewish Masters of course.

If you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 23:20 | 2468385 BlackSharpiePen
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Let me guess, both you and Jim are academic pussies that never had the experience of serving in the military? While I agree with some of Jim's points, your comment reads like drivel.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 00:53 | 2468527 prole
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Yes, by your definition I guess I am a pvssy.(I'm too dumb to be an academic, I wish)

I DO NOT want to kill 5,000 more American soldiers in the next four years of YOUR WARS, so I guess that makes me a Chicken$hit Coward.

So go ahead and kill them internet tough guy.  It's not really any skin off my back except I have to pay for it. I guess if you puff up your chest, talk tough and send them off to die that also makes you a Patriot as well?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:52 | 2469072 BlackSharpiePen
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Despite your allegation, I am not responsible for any wars. Thus, they are not my wars. While I do not agree with every military conflict that our politicians and war hawks decide, there are certainly some that necessitate our participation. Regardless, your suggestion that our leaders are following their "Jewish Masters" is conspiratorial rubbish and smacks of anti-semitic bias.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:59 | 2469570 jomama
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how about 'zionist interests'.  is that better?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:38 | 2469823 BlackSharpiePen
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Is that you Mahmoud?

Sun, 05/27/2012 - 23:58 | 2468456 cherry picker
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To me, the only time taking up arms is ever justified is in self defense or preventing innocents from harm.

In World War Two there really was no choice was there?  Hitlers Nazis acted like the Dr. in the Silence of the Lambs and the death factories were running at capacity, and they were literally factories of death.  It was necessary to stop this to help the oppressed and the knowledge they would have come to these shores once they had overrun Europe and the USSR.

However, since that time, some of the wars entered into really did not have anything to do with defense as much as revenge or demonstrating superiority.  I do not believe it is worth the lives of those sacrificed for ambiguous causes.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 05:44 | 2468682 HungrySeagull
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World War Two was a TOTAL War.

The Railroads shipped oil for example totally inland away from the intracoastal tankers.

We were in it from the Mother and Father all the way up to the top. Never again we will see such total dedication and support from top to bottom in a pursuit of Freedom against a enemy who has made war. One of their Admirals feared that we have awakened a great beast. And they did. Whoops.

That was then, two generations ago. Done. The real enemy is the Mosque under construction near your home. When you are awakened by blaring loudspeakers at o dark early... you have to decide what is America for yourself.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:29 | 2469012 bshirley1968
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The killing done by the communist in Russia, China, Korea, Cambodia, Loas, Thiland, Vietnam, etc. made Hitler look like an amatuer.

We should have stopped the scourge of communism but we had too many in our own government to get the job done right.  People can say what they want but hindsight is 20/20 and McArthy was RIGHT!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 01:04 | 2468540 Bansters-in-my-...
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I believe it is American Military jets spraying me with CHEMTRAILS all day,and night.

That is terrorism.

Fuck off.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 05:20 | 2468670 Psyman
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The Fall of a global empire?  Sounds like we're kicking ass and taking names.  This level of spending isn't a sign of a fall, it's a sign of absolute global hegemony.

 

Now when the spending is cut by 50%, that's when the fall of the global empire will be upon us.  See, it's a military empire.  You stupid civilians just think it's something other than what is really is.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 05:45 | 2468683 HungrySeagull
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The 'stupid civilians' are the core of the military.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:11 | 2468956 roadhazard
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If we cut military spending in half and removed our asses from half the bases in the world we would still be the biggest bully on the block. 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 08:22 | 2468811 Lee Bertin
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One thing is sure, there will not be peace in the middle east untill Iran gets the A-bomb. Then no one can mess with them and terror balance is set.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:11 | 2469123 RiverRoad
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True.  If they all have nukes then the subject is moot and we can all go back to worrying about biological warfare again.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 08:24 | 2468814 overmedicatedun...
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if you do not trust the leadership if in fact you know they are corrupt-then you know how to look at the USA and modern war. the founding fathers did not support wars across the globe ..only for defense when attacked or for control of new lands as booty. having served and gone to war myself, I saw first hand the lack of leadership and the failure of "limited war" to the public purpose..the corrupt side of it I am sure was a big success for the" elite of no nations" who rule the world everyway they can. Ron Paul is right ,but MSM and the power elite have had great success at kicking him out of the race for president..too bad.

there are always more kids from the getto and fly over america who will serve and die never knowing the corrupt game that is modern war. I am very sad for them for they are much better than a 1000 obumas or kerry's or romney's.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 08:53 | 2468901 Coldfire
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War hath no fury like a non-combatant.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:02 | 2468936 cjbosk
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Ahhh, timing is everything Tyler(s) and you're pretty poor at it. Considering I start reading this post that's all "occupied up" and full of Anti American rant, meanwhile I see an add (presumably of which you're profiting) for wounded soldiers on the right side of the page.

You guys the kettle or the pot?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:10 | 2468952 Widowmaker
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War is just another bank bailout. Its not good business its the BEST business! Just ask Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Chertof, Cheney,And Jenna Bush.

Liberty or death.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:12 | 2468957 Freewheelin Franklin
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I wanna kill, kill, kill!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzFJxX8yoY

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:19 | 2468964 Monedas
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We always hear this peace bilge on Memorial day !  Shitting on birthday cakes is a very left wing tactic ! Socialism from cradle to grave.....Capitalism from colostrum to colostomy bag !  Why don't we hear sermons condemning sloth and thievery and mayhem on MLK's birthday !     Monedas    1929     Where art thou....my Capitalist North Korean equivalent ?  South Korea, a shinning example suggesting freedom's possibilities, isn't near as Capitalist as N. Korea is Communist !  It's not even close !

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:24 | 2468998 orangegeek
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Always a sensitive subject.  It all started when European countries colonized the world.  England, Spain, Germany, Holland, France  - the US has, over time, largely weakened these countries.

 

In the process, the US appears to be colonizing power now.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:31 | 2469021 Monedas
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Japan, China, Russia, Turkey, Muslim genocide in Africa....don't come up on your radar ?    The Arab Spring is our mischief....and it's working quite well !      Monedas   1929     Comedy Jihad Starving Africans Smell The Hot Food In Israel 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:14 | 2469135 RiverRoad
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And the sun will set on our empire too one day.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:07 | 2469269 Lebensphilosoph
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The countries of Africa are, to take one example, European inventions, whose lands were previously peopled by disparate tribes. You can blame the failed European attempts at 'civilising' them, something the Arabs who went before knew better than to attempt, for the collapse of their traditional way of life and the ensuing marriage of state and savagery that makes for the hellhole that is most of the sub-Sahara, but you can't blame Europe for 'weakening' any of these 'countries' that didn't exist in the first place by colonialism; the countries, like Kenya, Rhodesia and South Africa were in fact weakend through the abandonment of colonialism. This isn't an anomaly. India thrived under the Raj, and its people were no more oppressed nor thrown into poverty under delegated British rule than they were by the millennia-old racism of their own traditional caste system, nor more occupied by a foreign power than they were under the Moguls whose descendents are amongst those who rule the India of today.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:25 | 2469001 Monedas
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Hillary Clinton and Madeline Allbright have faces that could sink battle ships....let them lend their talent to disarmament  !    Monedas   1929    Comedy Jihad Stop Giving Fuel Rods To North Korea

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:28 | 2469011 Nader_Nazemi
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The US empire ... 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:30 | 2469020 goldinpenguin
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And Romney who has never worn a uniform and whose sons never will is "all in" on starting another elective war, that alone should disqualify him from public office.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:22 | 2469159 People'sRepubli...
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all wars are "elective". A nation can choose to fight or choose to acquiesce.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:40 | 2469518 RiverRoad
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Not necessarily.  We goaded the Japs into bombing Pearl Harbor by embargoing oil from their ports.  With that accomplished, Americans were finally gung-ho to join the war.  People can be manipulated into their choices.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:35 | 2469027 De minimus
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Some people, insert here generic radical Muslim terrorist/s among others, just need killing. You cannot deal with them any other way. If you think otherwise you are an idiot or you are lying to yourself. Iran is the 800 pound gorilla in the Mideast and nobody would deal with them for decades, while they kidnapped or killed every beneficial westerner they could, in fact they went out of their way to ignore them as a problem. They kicked the can down the road. Well now boys and girls, they are a nuclear problem, with backers who assist them at every turn and smile about it because they realize, as the regular population is kept from realizing, exactly what they are doing, in a hope to gain dominance or empire and a bunch of western slaves. Our politicians have assisted this and have benefited from this, so have the media in no small measure. You can be assured of one thing, very bad things will come to pass now because of this. You can be equally assured that the media and their political friends, will immediately point their fingers at everyone but themselves and certainly not in the mirror.

We come to this point by virtue of propaganda and outright lies, which do nothing but support a Marxist answer to every problem and no other argument will be allowed to be heard. Then the new masters will take over and impose that which has never worked, except for the imposers and their friends! The news and entertainment media are directly responsible for this because without their positive and continuing assistance, it could not have been done. Yes Virginia, it is no accident and no, I don't need a tin hat.

We can fight over the cardboard boxes as our new dwellings shortly. The one's that have the wax covering are mine.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:47 | 2469055 Monedas
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Well said !  The biggest Gorilla in any room he walks into is the "Socialist Mob Mentality Gorilla" ! 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 18:26 | 2470255 Winston Churchill
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Spoken like someone who has never been to Iran and

who has never spoken to an Iranian.

Their Govt. is the problem,just as ours is the problem.

There is no thirst for Western blood.

They just want to be left alone and their only chance of that

is to have Nukes,just like the bullies have.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:40 | 2469042 Monedas
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Are we gonna hear every leftist cliche....all in one day !   America has the richest poor people and we lead the way in decent treatment for our military  !      Monedas    1929     Comedy Jihad Imagine A Day In The Life Of A North Korean Soldier

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:42 | 2469044 People'sRepubli...
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There are 364 days a year to rant about the brutality and senseless waste of war. Is it too much to ask that for 1 day we thank the men and women of the armed services for their selfless sacrifices. 

Jack said it best--

"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to. "

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:52 | 2469071 Monedas
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That's a leftist tactic !  Find free people enjoying a meaningful moment....pull down your pants and take a shit in public !  They are called the "Art and croissant" crowd ?  I call them ignorant, hateful assholes....who must be defeated !   Monedas   1929     Comedy Jihad Defending The 1% Creme De La Creme

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:59 | 2469085 TrulyStupid
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The MI complex through their wholly owned subsidiary the MSM, push their propaganda 365 days of the year. It's only fitting that truth and reason have one day. Left, right? huh... what a false dichotemy.. both parties are equally mired in the shit.. they are both neo-con warmongers, using forced indebtedness to steal from the sheeple.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:22 | 2469160 Monedas
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Democracy is like making sausage....you don't want to look....but it sure taste good !   Muslim brotherhood dictatorships are like making "red slime" blood sausage....it's fun to watch them kill each other....but don't eat it !    Monedas    1929   Muslims are reaping the harvest of their own evil !  Thank God that the Jews and Christians have blazed the trail they will eventually have to follow !

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:18 | 2469144 RiverRoad
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The men and women of the armed services selflessly sacrifice....the war industry does not; they line their pockets.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:12 | 2469275 bshirley1968
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The fact that you would quote that character says everything about you and what your brainwashed mind thinks.  Remember?  He was the bad guy.  The military doesn't get a free pass to be evil just because they wear a uniform.  They are not the exception to all the rules because "they put their lives on the line".

If you want a "do or die" non-thinking idiot running around with a gun then move to Russia or China.  That is how they operate.  I want a man with a brain and the ability to distinguish right from wrong and stand against wrong and evil no matter who is giving the orders.  If the President is wrong, he is wrong no matter his title and position.  He is no a frickin king.  If the General is wrong then he is wrong and should not be obeyed.  Our military is not to be mindless, and the real wars in this country were not fought by professional conscripts but rather free men who left their farms to DO WHAT WAS RIGHT!  It has been a long time since the military was full of young men who wanted to do what was right but rather it is full of those who want to pay for college.  Filled by those looking for a "job" or a purpose in life.  Ripe for those who would corrupt their minds with because they wear a uniform the rest of us are non-deserving, sheep who need to be told what to do and how to live.  Hitler got a bunch of delinquent teenagers to join because in their "brown shirts" they went from being a nobody to being worshiped by the German public.  I see cops like this all the time.  The rest of us are just a bunch of "perps" waiting to be incarcerated.  That is why so many feel like we are living in a "police" state because our military and police have no respect for the very people they are to "protect and serve".   The military is not a separate entity in this country.  We are to have a civilian army called a militia with skin in the game.  The military doesn't provide my freedom.  That right was given to me by God and it is kept by those who want to be free.  Remember no entity has ever killed more of a population than its own military (controlled by the government)

On more than one occasion this gov has turned its military on the citizenry.  Understand this, there are those of us who care not about the odds of "winning" or even living but rather that when we do die, we will die standing up fighting to preserve the rights given to us by the God that made us.  The description of or uniform worn by those who would take those rights.......matters not.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:51 | 2469068 LivermoreJim
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What mindless crap from an America hater!  Ron Paul is working his posion well, the man who would have had the South leave the Union with slavery intact, who would encourage states to secede, whose supporters are primarily violent Occuppiers, anarachists, and free drug advocates. 

He makes Obama look like the savior of Capitalism.

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:52 | 2469069 LivermoreJim
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What mindless crap from an America hater!  Ron Paul is working his posion well, the man who would have had the South leave the Union with slavery intact, who would encourage states to secede, whose supporters are primarily violent Occuppiers, anarachists, and free drug advocates. 

He makes Obama look like the savior of Capitalism.

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:57 | 2469077 Monedas
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Even your nervous, trembling fingers lie !    Speaking of saving Capitalism....why didn't Obama call on Bain Capital to save Solyndra and the Chevy Volt ?     Monedas   1929     Comedy Jihad Obama Is Fukushima Toast

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:54 | 2469078 Composter
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WHY IS ANYONE SURPRISED ?!

The United States is a nation run by Judeo-Fascists.  Talmudic Judaism has a 2000+ year history of the Ritual Human Sacrifice of Gentiles, from the murder of Jesus to the practice known as Blood Passover to the "War on Terror".

The Neocons' "War on Terror"- where Gentile Christians are sent to fight Gentile Muslims, under the direction of Jewish Neocons whose loyalty is to Israel.  "Neocon" is just another word for - Judeo-Fascism.

Israel Did 9-11.

Just Google it.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 09:59 | 2469088 Guarded Pessimist
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"They don’t hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we have invaded and occupied their countries. They hate us because we kill innocent people with predator drones. They hate us for our hypocrisy regarding democracy and freedom."

Let us not forget that this is not a war on "terror". The war on terror is a war of religious differences. To many muslims unbelievers are to be fought and killed in the name of Allah.

I just wanted to clear that up.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:05 | 2469105 Monedas
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You really cleared that up ?  Is English your third language ?  Celebrate the Arab Spring and thank the West for your liberation from yourselves !

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:01 | 2469093 Fix It Again Timmy
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Advice for those considering joining the military:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8rbHwMXMT8

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:02 | 2469094 Monedas
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You're so clever....trying to drive a wedge between my Jews and my Gentiles !  Feast your eyes on Syrian harmony....that's what clever Judeo-Christians do for fun !    Israel is the tail that swats the flies from the Muslim piles of shit !    Monedas   1929    Comedy Jihad Unofficial Spokeshole For The Jewish People

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:04 | 2469103 RiverRoad
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We are a nation, like Rome before us, that exists in a constant state of target practice keeping our troops in fighting shape since, in our case, our military is the only thing backing our dollar.  So we must always have that next enemy to fight.  Pathetic.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:11 | 2469119 Monedas
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If some other nation could have pulled off a Ponzi like we did....they would have !  What's backing the dollar is a needy socialist world bankrupt of any better idea....they let us walk all over them....shame on them for lack of vision and not providing a better alternative !

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:10 | 2469111 El
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Confirmed Government employing Internet Trolls Shills and Agents for Facebook and YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGWBY1F_ytI&feature=related

So...do you think this is only happening in Canada? I would refer you to the comments section at ZH on weekends and holidays. Pay attention...it's a pretty clear pattern.

Great article, Jim Quinn.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:03 | 2469402 RiverRoad
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Skull and Boners sitting around with no dates for the weekend.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:11 | 2469126 daveeemc2
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"War is the continuation of policy (politics) by other means."- Karl von Clausewitz

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:11 | 2469128 daveeemc2
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"War is the continuation of policy (politics) by other means."- Karl von Clausewitz

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:36 | 2469185 Monedas
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"Peace is a chance to lick your wounds, count your loot, gather your wits and resources and prepare for the next war  !"....Monedas von Clownwitz    1929     Comedy Jihad Zero North Korean Posters On This Blog

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:39 | 2469198 stiler
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Anti-war people don't understand the nature of our universe.

I came to destroy the works of the devil.   ~ Jesus Christ

Therefore; war.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 10:48 | 2469226 roadhazard
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That's the great thing about the Bible, there is a passage in there for every occasion and taste.

It starts off with the eating of the Apple and ends with Armageddon. Such a deal.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:00 | 2469256 Monedas
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You have free will....use it !  I don't agree with everything in the Bible !   I would have cordially invited the money changers to set up shop in the back pews of the Temple to facilitate tithing !  I thought it was rude of Jesus to run them off....and give the Socialists that crummy metaphor for enslaving humanity !    Monedas   1929   Comedy Jihad I Love Resourceful People

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:45 | 2469346 Matt
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As I understand it, the money-changers formed a cartel and used their monopoly to rip-off the common people by enforcing obscene exchange rates.

The people had to convert their sestercii to pure silver shekels for donations to the temple, and the temple then had to convert the shekels back into denarii to buy goods.

If anything, this story is an example of the neccessity for free and efficient markets and RICO laws.

Jesus also said, when asked about taxes:

"whose face is on the coin? Caesars. Render on to Caesar what is Caesars, and unto God what is God's." Seperation of Church and State, Secularism, was also one of Jesus' teachings.

Ideals and faiths are not the problem; the problem is human behaviors that corrupt and subvert.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:01 | 2469391 Matt
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Stiler:

"Anti-war people don't understand the nature of our universe.

I came to destroy the works of the devil.   ~ Jesus Christ

Therefore; war."

 

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Yes, because waging war against concepts, thoughts, ideas involves the use of military force. /sarc

something about "our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities and dark rulers"

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:18 | 2469281 Uncle Remus
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Looks like divide-and-conquer still works.

Mortality, THE universal human weakness.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:25 | 2469305 Monedas
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Thank God people that people have to die....otherwise they would be even more insupportable !    Monedas   1929     Comedy Jihad Death Is God's Escape Clause

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 02:39 | 2478492 matrix2012
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on the contrary, mortality may be the mysterious beauty of this life :-)

read on some wisdoms below:

 

- “Heaven and earth are impartial. They allow all things to die.” — Tao

 

- “No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new.” — (guess who said this)


"Someday, anyone of us will find death is better than living.

Please embrace death as you embraced life.

There is no death without life

Your time will come eventually."

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:20 | 2469289 Arnold Ziffel
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Day or night, rain or shine, small groups of African migrants can be found dotting the lawns of Levinsky Park in a rundown area of south Tel Aviv where hundreds of Israelis rioted in protest against them.

 

Fear, loathing in Tel Aviv as racial tensions soar(AFP)

http://news.yahoo.com/fear-loathing-tel-aviv-racial-tensions-soar-143621...

 

Those 300,000 refugees from NA start infitrating Europe and the ME with some results.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:30 | 2469316 Monedas
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Watch Israel catch more heat for being an "Oasis of Life" than the Muslim genocidist maniacs catch....working for Allah ?   Monedas   1929   Comedy Jihad Refugee Magnet

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:45 | 2469339 bshirley1968
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Want to watch irony?  Watch the kenyan, self-proclaimed marxist put a wreath on the soldier's tomb in Arlington.

Like being 8 yrs old and hearing, "Luke! I am your father!"

 

What the hell have we come to in this country when this 0bamination gets to sit in the White House, be called Commander n Chief, and even step foot on a place called Arlington all the while being protected by the same military we are suppose to remember and honor on this day.  SNAFU indeed!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:17 | 2469442 toomanyfakecons...
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As stated above, I believe the military and federal marshalls are about to put and end to this decades-long Obamaination called the federal government by backing a civilian-led legal action against it. These treasonous scumbags are not gods, they are just men who put their pants on one leg at a time. They can and will be arrested and paraded in front of the cameras. Listen to the middle hour of the "Drake interview" (linked below) and see if you believe it's possible... I sure do.

http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 02:41 | 2478483 matrix2012
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@ bshirley1968

are you trying to say that IF Romney / Santorium / John McCain / Joe Lieberman / George Bush / Dick Cheney / and many others except Obama who put a wreath on the Arlington tombs then thing will be better (more acceptable)?

If so, you have a longer list of senators to accomplish it :)

The List of 75 US Senators Who Voted To Let 30,000 Drones Shoot Americans In The Streets

February 13, 2012 | Source: Senate.gov

Via: Vid Rebel - http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/

The House and Senate voted for the passage of the FAA bill that funds 30,000 drones to surveil Americans knowing that the majority are to be armed initially with shotgun tasers. Two Americans a week die from tasers so these are lethal weapons. But these drones can easily be equipped with machine guns and rockets. I decided to only report the Senate vote because the bill included strong anti-union sections that forced House Democrats to vote against the overall bill. A quick glance of the Senate No votes revealed one staunch Zionist from a strong union state who probably would have voted for the bill if it were a stand alone measure without the union bashing.

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)

Kelly Ayotte (R-NH)

Max Baucus (D-MT)

Mark Begich (D-AK)

Michael Bennet (D-CO)

Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)

Roy Blunt (R-MO)

John Boozman (R-AR)

Barbara Boxer (D-CA)

Scott Brown (R-MA)

Richard Burr (R-NC)

Maria Cantwell (D-WA)

Tom Carper (D-DE)

Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)

Dan Coats (R-IN)

Tom Coburn (R-OK)

Thad Cochran (R-MS)

Susan Collins (R-ME)

Chris Coons (D-DE)

Bob Corker (R-TN)

John Cornyn (R-TX)

Dick Durbin (D-IL)

Mike Enzi (R-WY)

Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)

Lindsey Graham (R-SC)

Charles Grassley (R-IA)

Kay Hagan (D-NC)

Dean Heller (R-NV)

John Hoeven (R-ND)

Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX)

Jim Inhofe (R-OK)

Dan Inouye (D-HI)

Johnny Isakson (R-GA)

Mike Johanns (R-NE)

Tim Johnson (D-SD)

Ron Johnson (R-WI)

John Kerry (D-MA)

Herbert Kohl (D-WI)

Jon Kyl (R-AZ)

Mary Landrieu (D-LA)

Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)

Carl Levin (D-MI)

Joe Lieberman (ID-CT)

Dick Lugar (R-IN)

Joe Manchin (D-WV)

John McCain (R-AZ)

Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

Robert Menendez (D-NJ)

Jerry Moran (R-KS)

Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)

Patty Murray (D-WA)

Bill Nelson (D-FL)

Ben Nelson (D-NE)

Rob Portman (R-OH)

Mark Pryor (D-AR)

John Reed (D-RI)

Harry Reid (D-NV)

Pat Roberts (R-KS)

Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)

Marco Rubio (R-FL)

Chuck Schumer (D-NY)

Jeff Sessions (R-AL)

Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)

Richard Shelby (R-AL)

Olympia Snowe (R-ME)

Jon Tester (D-MT)

John Thune (R-SD)

Pat Toomey (R-PA)

Mark Udall (D-CO)

Tom Udall (D-NM)

Mark Warner (D-VA)

Jim Webb (D-VA)

Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

Roger Wicker (R-MS)

Ron Wyden (D-OR)

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_List_OF_75_US_Senators_Who_Voted_To_L...

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:46 | 2469352 Curtis LeMay
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As Americans mindlessly celebrate another Memorial Day

Fuck you.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:55 | 2469558 jomama
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yeah, that was pretty rude.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:50 | 2469362 MMcmillan
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Sir, Prof. Stieglitz, a nobel prize winner recently estimated the total cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to be well north of $5.5 trillion. Your numbers way underestimate what the cost of the neocons and AIPAC is to our country. 

They are like the cancer or parasites. They will not stop until they kill our country

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:52 | 2469363 stiler
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saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Yeshua of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know who thou art; the Holy One of God.

I remember once with my wife in Baltimore; we were part of a ministry that had as its goal to knock on every door in the city with the gospel. We were on Charles St. near the library in the middle with the statue and pigeons. Some homeless person went up to my wife and baby and said to her: "We know why you've come here, you've come to hurt us!" And when I walked over he left, swearing at us.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:56 | 2469372 Element
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First they are taught to want to kick raghead arse, then, in due course, getting slaughtered for it, in return:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lPIOic2F1QU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=gup1QfZ6M0M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UiDPV0yjxq0

Nine died as the 'Moudjahidine' (aka the 'Taliban') over-ran the fort and wiped them out.

The reality is NATO can not obtain logistic supplies through Pakistan to allow it to maintain these remote outposts.  The US and NATO would just wear-out their equipment and people trying to.  And for who and what anyway?

The 'insurgents' are just walking back in ... to their own land -- they aren't ever going away.

So now there'll be a bloody scramble to get everyone out via a fighting retreat, Vietnam style, before the collapse occurs, during 2014.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:06 | 2469396 Carl LaFong
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We are pigs in their eyes for only one reason:  we are not Muslims.  We are Infidels.   That gives them the right to take our possessions, enslave us, rape our women, etc.  Doesn't anybody read the Koran or any of the Hadiths?  Does no one listen to speaches of Imams or the rants of the suicide bombers?  Wake up, Western world!!!!  Your days are numbered unless you understand the threat with which are faced.  Why will you not believe what they say and preach?  I just don't get it.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:23 | 2469460 Ookspay
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Right on Carl,

Somebody gets it. Islam has been a plague on the planet ever since that mass murdering mysogenistic pedohile mohammed spouted his first words! We may not hate them, but they sure do hate us. I have been to the ME many times and have studied Islam for decades. It is one truly fucked up culture on so many levels. It is utterly hopeless to make peace with such a deeply seated belief system of hatred and annhilation.

Thank God for our American heroes, who have given so much, In loving Memory,

Ookspay

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:00 | 2470502 Element
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Same reason we've ignored the infiltration of the Jews and their outrageously despicable 'holy' Scriptures that say to do much the same things, to all non-Jews.

Funny that, they could be almost the same religion ... they are as vile as each other.

And we thought they wouldn't dare to really do it.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:10 | 2469419 reader2010
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Wars have been used as a wealth transfer vehilcle. That's that!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:10 | 2469420 toomanyfakecons...
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Our illegitimate federal government is far more fragile and vulnerable than one may think. The Federal Reserve Note and the NWO are circling the drain and about to be flushed down the toilet of history. I've bought into the "Drake interview" and I believe the mass arrests of bankster-politicians in the U.S. are imminent. In short, the military and federal marshalls is about to back a civilian-led legal action against Obama, Brenanke, Bush Sr./Jr., and the top 1000 or so traitors. Listen to the middle hour of the interview (set to play and linked below) before passing judgment.

http://tinyurl.com/cd5cyjo/

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:14 | 2469434 reader2010
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The problem is that our new master won't allow it. 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:15 | 2469438 effinayright
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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:32 | 2469487 tahoebumsmith
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After reading the article and the posts it is clear that this country and the rest of the globe for that matter have become so divided that it is eating itself from within. I believe this division has happened by design, not by choice. I honor the brave soldiers of the past that have protected us from marching armies to fight for our our liberty and freedom. Today however on this Memorial day they can't protect us from the real enemy, our very own government that is torching the Constitution with every stroke of the pen and stripping us of the same rights and freedoms these brave soldiers died to protect. I think back to this day in my early childhood and remember how proud I was to be a citizen of the United States. Today I feel more like a citizen of the Divided States of America and question what these soldiers are fighting for and who they are fighting to protect? I can hardly wait for Independence Day, the parades waving American Flags and the celebrations will just not have the same meaning to me as it once did. Why celebrate a day commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence when much of what was written back then was to protect us from the Tyranny this Country is facing today...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:57 | 2469563 RiverRoad
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Give credit where credit is due:  to TPTB, the Bankster Fed who rules this land and keeps us perpetually fighting "enemies" beyond our borders so that our attention is diverted while they line their pockets and rule unimpeded.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:49 | 2469696 el Gallinazo
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"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemiesforeign and domestic;

Well, Eisenhower warned us, over his shoulder, as he was stepping out the back door, just before the screen door slammed shut.  Kennedy, despite some personal failings, had three times the balls of Eisenhower and tried to do something about it, but it was already too late, and we know how that wound up.  The fact that JFK defrocked CIA director Allen Dulles was an active and controlling member of the Warren Commission is all that needs saying.  Talk about the fox guarding the henhouse.  Since then, the presidents have become public relations puppets.  It has been leaked from reliable sources that there are 22 levels of classified access status above the presidents, and they are briefed on a "need to know" basis.  Dropping the red pill is a very dangerous endeavor.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 02:04 | 2478469 matrix2012
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@ el Gallinazo or any other,

It has been leaked from reliable sources that there are 22 levels of classified access status above the presidents, and they are briefed on a "need to know" basis. "

 

Do you have any reference or link to support this 22-levels matter?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:52 | 2469546 LaughingMan
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USA, USA, USA to infinity.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:25 | 2469607 psychobilly
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Living in the "land of the free" -- the "greatest" and "most powerful"  nation" on earth -- is of tremendous emotional significance to the lower orders.  These memes help compensate for lives of virtual powerlessness.

This is why worship of the military is like a religion in the US.  Memorial Day IS a religious holiday.  The government costumes and symbols associated with the military take on the same level of psychological importance.  The fact is that these sorts of theatrics work on the simple-minded. 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:03 | 2469726 Ookspay
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What a Fucking Crock of Shit!

The military and our brave soldiers have always been their to do what ever is asked/told of them. The original principles of our Nation that our first soldiers fought and died for still STAND! But they are being muddled and used in an ill advised effort to spread them around the Globe, which cannot be done. Certain cultures do not understand religious freedom, free speech or rights being derived from God not government.

Your lack of respect is despicable!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:34 | 2469805 psychobilly
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"The military and our brave soldiers have always been their [sic] to do what ever is asked/told of them."

There's nothing whatsoever brave about following military orders like a trained house pet.  In the case of all but a vanishingly small number of historical examples, it's downright shameful.

"The original principles of our Nation that our first soldiers fought and died for still STAND!"

The harsh reality is that the soldiers have ultimately fought and died to erect the very monster at home -- brick by brick -- they claimed to be fighting overseas.  They died for lies.  

If the principles still stand, the guns of the soldiers would have long ago been pointed at domestic enemies in defense of those principles instead of foreign boogeymen/peasants in poor, defenseless resource-rich countries on the other side of the globe.

You've been duped.  Sorry.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 16:25 | 2470052 Ookspay
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Psycho,

Your anger is misplaced. We have civilian control of the military. It is the POTUS and the congress, that has started all of these wars. Blaming the military is kind of like saying "people don't kill people guns kill people". The very thing that makes our military great is the fact that they are professional and simply follow orders, civilian order. Would you prefer the military to not follow orders? Or turn the tanks on DC and install a military Junta or worse? It is the politicians and us by extension who are the evil ones, not the noble soldiers who do their jobs so bravely!

You and this idiotic story posted by one of the Tylers really piss me off! How dare you bad mouth, impugn and ridicule our brave dead! Espescially on this most somber of days! Shame on you Fucks!

Furthermore, "I have been duped"? LOL, If you only knew...

Boo!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:13 | 2470294 psychobilly
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"Blaming the military is kind of like saying 'people don't kill people guns kill people'."

No it's not like that at all you moron.  A gun is an inanimate object and nothing like a human being.

"The very thing that makes our military great is the fact that they are professional and simply follow orders, civilian order. Would you prefer the military to not follow orders?"

Just following orders is not a valid moral excuse for participating in criminal wars of aggression.  Yes, it would be best if such orders were widely disobeyed.

"Or turn the tanks on DC and install a military Junta or worse? It is the politicians and us by extension who are the evil ones, not the noble soldiers who do their jobs so bravely!"

Both the politicians and those who allow themselves to become complicit in the crimes are to blame.  It's not an either/or proposition.  Again: there is nothing brave about following the herd; especially under threat.  Quite the opposite.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:09 | 2470418 Ookspay
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Siiighhh... You obviously no nothing about the military, chain of command or War, no surprise there, most pussies don't.

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:11 | 2470702 Cathartes Aura
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some of the pussies know about the military.

sadly, only after they've been raped by those brave uni-formed men.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:19 | 2470625 Matt
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guns don't kill people, people kill people. However, monkeys with guns also kill people.

On the other hand, what you are saying about being complicit has been established as international law with the Nuremburg Trials: "I was just following orders" doesn't cut it.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:19 | 2469610 teaconomist
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Uh, let's keep our eye on the ball here. I'm for reforming all levels and factions of gov't, but if we eliminated the defense dept and melted down all their toys, we'd be a defenseless welfare state.

Reality Check: Entitlement Spending Dwarfs Wars Since 2001

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katehicks/2012/05/27/reality_check_entitlem...

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:28 | 2469627 purplefrog
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Thank you so much, Jim, my brother.  I love reading your works.

"Blessed are those who mourn...."

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:28 | 2469628 purplefrog
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Thank you so much, Jim, my brother.  I love reading your works.

"Blessed are those who mourn...."

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 13:36 | 2469652 Yes_Questions
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The terrorist NEO CON hijackers who implemented their plan to pull off their 9/11 have directed at least $3 trillion on THEIR wars of choice..

 

Fixed It For You.

 

Freedom, in Memoriam.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 14:53 | 2469854 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Wow, looks like Ike was a real pinko commie liberal dove - according to the Tea Party Handbook.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 17:38 | 2470172 WhiteNight123129
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GO RON PAUL, REVOLUTION!!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 18:59 | 2470283 SwingForce
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Seems to me there are $Trillionz MORE disappeared from the Military Budget than JEWS shoveled into the banks in 2008 and beyond....   BLACK OPS, who's pockets does this money go? Dump Obama quick!

From a previous post:  http://www.911missinglinks.com/watch-movie/

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:18 | 2470319 vinoverde
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After 10 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan lord knows a serious conversation about what we are doing there and what we want to accomplish there is welcome. Then you have to go and try to bullshit me, with that discretionary picture graph. I don't know, perhaps you write for Washington where pretend words often take on great meaning, but if you are claiming that every promise made by every hack politician over the last 50 years is NON-discretionary and the military, which is the only one actually IN the constitution - provide for the common defence - is discretionary...well, pull my chain, you are just playing me for dumb enough to believe it.

And i resent that, and I stop listening.

What do we want from Iraq and Afghanistan. We must put the extreme solutions on the table. It is very difficult to control Afghanistan without occupying it. Colonize it? Oh don't give me that dirty look, we will come up with a nice 21st century word, we have people good at that, call it a protectorate, or a developmental authority, or commonwealth, hell that works for Puerto Rico, worked for the Phillipines until we left. Occupation of Afghanistan is likely to cost more than it is ever worth, but clearly controlling some of the country is not working.

Okay, you don't want to be that out-front imperialist, fine with me, lets get out. Either way I just want to get the facts on the table, the truth that the other ZH article this weekend said we don't like to deal with. Frankly, i am tired of eating pablum, so lets get dirty and figure out what to do.

 

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 21:32 | 2470539 Milton Freewater
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For the second year (2010) in a row, more US soldiers killed themselves (468) than died in combat (462). “If you… know the one thing that causes people to commit suicide, please let us know,” General Peter Chiarelli told the Army Times, “because we don’t know.”

This is a face book reply from a friend of mine who served in Iraq 

 Isn't really that big of a mystery if you've gone through. You FIGHT for everyone's rights while forgoing any and all for yourself. You have no sense of individuality. You are kept in the dark. You have limited if any control around your daily activities. Then, there is the waiting. Way too much waiting. Too much time to think. 

Then, after living in total fear, confusion, anger, and despair for a year or so in HELL, you are sent home, stripped of all responsibility told to go work at WalHell for a few bucks an hour so you can watch all of the clueless morons buy stuff and drive their cars. That is one tough transition from holding a rifle and hand grenades to holding a broom and a bar code scanner. I don't know how anyone comes out intact. 

I sat four months in one building waiting for orders... for anything. I think I understand the suicide. There is a terrible disconnect between a soldiers reality and the "glory" that they are portrayed as relishing.


We as a culture, are really missing the boat on this one.

I say, instead of supporting our troops by saying, "Support our troops!", we should be supporting them by fighting tooth and nail the paradigm in which suicide has become more dangerous than a combatant's bullet. End the military complex. Dismantle our army.



Mon, 05/28/2012 - 23:22 | 2470718 Cathartes Aura
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your post makes me glad I took a bit more time to scroll to the end of these comments.

I've heard your friend's words straight from the mouths of others sent to Afghanistan & Iraq - the mind-numbing boredom, the sitting, waiting, coupled with the lack of real information, and the knowing that half of what you're told is dis-info.

There is a terrible disconnect between a soldiers reality and the "glory" that they are portrayed as relishing.

this was the wisdom gained at the end of the Viet Nam occupation.   absolutely agree that the greatest support of the individual troops lies in keeping them AWAY from feeling they have to sign up, that there are no other options, that it is in some way "serving" the citizens or the nation.

telling the truth is the only way out.

End the military complex. Dismantle our army.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 13:09 | 2472318 robertsgt40
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Great article...except 19 Arabs with boxcutters didn't do 911

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 16:30 | 2473302 Republicae
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That is one of the most cogent commentaries I have read in my long life. Every single politican should have that stuck to the end of their nose and forced daily to read it, digest it and then dare send another young man or woman into a war that is not truely defending these Shores. 

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 15:40 | 2477021 matrix2012
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As usual, an excellent essay from Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform, presented with many facts, it may indeed require multiple readings to absorb the content. SUPERB !!!

 

EZRA POUND already warned his fellow Americans and the world about the harm and danger of these Overlords many decades ago!!!

He paid a very dear price for all of his warnings, got jailed then put into psychiatric hospital! He's freed only with the help from Eustace Mullins.

 

 

    “The Nomadic Parasites will shift out of London and into Manhattan. And this will be presented under a camouflage of national slogans. It will be represented as an American victory. It will not be an American victory.

    Until you know who has lent what to whom, you know nothing whatever of politics, you know nothing whatever of history, you know nothing of international wrangles.” — Ezra Pound (1885–1972)

 

“The monopoly of money, or the restriction of its circulation, is merely a variation of this simple form of monopoly. That is all. The stupid fall into the trap. Wars are provoked in succession, deliberately, by the great usurers, in order to create debts, to create scarcity, so that they can extort the interest on these debts, so that they can raise the price of money (i.e., the price of the various monetary units controlled by, or in the possession of, the same autocrats), altering the prices of the various monetary units when it suits them, raising and lowering the prices of the various foodstuffs when it suits them, completely indifferent to the human victim, to the accumulated treasures of civilization, to the cultural heritage.” — Ezra Pound (1885–1972)

 

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