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Guest Post: Welcome To The Predatory State of California--Even If You Don't Live There

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Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Welcome To The Predatory State of California--Even If You Don't Live There

Theft has been "legalized" for governments and banks in America.

Every once in a while an event crystallizes the stark reality behind the lacy curtain of propaganda and artifice. Here is one such event.

Correspondent R.T. is a retired accountant who has resided in Arizona since 2001. Prior to 2001, he resided in California.

On March 14, he received a letter from the California Franchise Tax Board (the agency that collects income taxes) claiming that he owed $1,343 for the tax year 2006. This was the first notification he'd ever received of this claim. This was an interesting claim given that R.T.:

-- Did not reside in California in 2006

-- Did not file a State income tax return in California in 2006

-- Did not have any outstanding tax issues with California in 2006

-- Did no business in California in 2006

-- Owned no property in California in 2006

The number $1,343 is also interesting, as R.T.'s total Federal tax liability in 2006 was $650. Since the top income tax rate in California is about 9%, and that only kicks in at relatively high income levels above $100,000 annually, then it's difficult to see how anyone could owe double their Federal tax in California state tax.

But the truly interesting part of the story is that the state took $1,343 out of R.T.'s Wells Fargo bank account on March 2, prior to notifying him of the claim. Wells Fargo charged R.T. $100 for handling the removal of his $1,343.

As R.T. observed: "If I had filed a 2006 California tax return the statute of limitations would have run out, but since I did not file a 2006 tax return there is no statute of limitations. This is the classic catch 22."

I do not have copies of the correspondence so I cannot verify this sequence of events, but I have corresponded with R.T. for many years and have found him to be a credible witness to national events. While some might claim he invented this story of state theft out of whole cloth, there is no basis in our years of correspondence to support that claim.

What is entirely believable is that the state of California, desperate for revenue, is churning out dubious income tax claims stretching back years and collecting the money without due process. This is theft, pure and simple, and charging the account owner $100 for transacting the theft is also theft.

Welcome to the predatory State of California--even if you don't live there. If any mainstream media journalist wants to pursue this story, email me and I will put you in touch with R.T.

Somehow I doubt this is a unique story. R.T. said he immediately tried to call the California Franchise Tax Board and was on hold for some time before his call was dropped. As of yesterday his attempts to contact the agency via phone were unsuccessful. Why are we not surprised by any of this? Perhaps it's because government/bank thievery and Catch-22 incompetence is now the backdrop of our culture.


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Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:47 | 2273124 4realmoney
Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2273139 Sudden Debt
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20 written backward is 02


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:54 | 2273157 Joshua Falken
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The land of the free and the home of the brave is no more


The American people need to wake up and do something at the next election about the incumbent kleptocracy


No free elections - two warring factions both beholden to the same vested interest funding groups.  No presidential candidate can be shown to have the interest of the people at his heart apart from Ron Paul who will not be allowedto stand.

Privately owned central bank -  The Federal Reserve System of banks are privately owned and controlled by the same presidential funding group and are not a government agency. The Fed takes collateral and issues issues US Dollars against them, but not all of that collateral is issued by the US Treasury and the Fed ownership cartel act in their own interest and not necessarily the US people.


The MF Global bankruptcy shows that US Regulators and and the Dept of Justice have been corrupted by the same vested interest, Fed owning, presidential funding group, protecting Corzine, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs from scrutiny.


America needs an overhaul of corrporate and banking influence over government as corruption is endemic on so many levels

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:59 | 2273179 MillionDollarBonus_
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"Theft has been "legalized" for governments"

Wrong. This is not theft. It is called TAXATION, and there is a BIG difference. The smartest wealthiest liberals from top college professors to esteemed Hollywood actors ALL understand this difference. But somehow libertarians still don't get it.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:04 | 2273199 flacon
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Income Tax is detremental to an economy since it confiscates real wealth gained from productive output.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:17 | 2273258 Hippocratic Oaf
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Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:33 | 2273340 Pladizow
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Same happened to me:

I have never resided in Cali, nor had any biz connection and recieved an income tax bill for $XX,XXX.00.

I explained this to them over the Phone several times and faxed back a response several times.

They then said I would have to provide proof and send them copies of my tax returns.

I told them fuck off & good Luck!

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:42 | 2273402 Troll Magnet
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california would be a great place to live if it weren't being run by a bunch of corrupt liberals.  

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:10 | 2274062 Esculent 69
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Troll Magnet- "California would be a great place to live, but its been run by liberals who are corrupt and godless." There its fixed. Otherwise it's spot on

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 15:01 | 2274288 Troll Magnet
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could care less about the "godless" part but it's these tax & spend liberals who piss the fuck me off.  everywhere you turn it's tax, tax, tax and we have some of the WORST public employees in the world and our infrastructure's crumbling.  and they want to tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend while offering no decent service to its citizens, red tape everywhere you go as far as the eye can see and more taxation after taxation after taxation.  did i mention that we're being taxed to death here?  and they wonder why all these businesses are packing up their bags and leaving.  liberals are fucking retards.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 19:43 | 2275271 LowProfile
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Hey, there's a bunch of corrupt conservatives running other states...  Why don't we ALL just drop the NWO propagated false left/right bullshit once and for all?

States should be allowed to be as liberal, conservative, statist or libertarian as the people want.  Then if you don't like your state, you can move!

The federal gov't should then make sure the state/local gov't isn't violating the respective people's Constitutional rights via corruption.

I know, what a concept...

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 03:38 | 2275999 francis_the_won...
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"Hey, there's a bunch of corrupt conservatives running other states.."

I live in CA, and am disgusted by the political situation.  Locally, it was long ago overrun by developers.  Statewide, it is run by insider green a$$holes.  Nationally, we don't count.  But the rest of you had better pay attention to what happens here, because nobody can afford the bailout this state actually needs.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:35 | 2273650 11b40
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Same thing happend to me several years ago.

They wanted to tax my company on commissions earned from a Califorina vendor, and we are on the East Coast.

Rather than bother with them, I just threw it in the trash.  This has been several years ago - at least 5 - and they finally gave up.

Unless you receive something that you have to sign for, just ignore it.

Of course, reaching in and removing funds from your bank account would be an entirely different matter.  All the more reason to find a small local/regional bank, or better still, credit union to do business with.  I have been planning to pull my corporate account from Wells Fargo, which was formerly Wacovia for me.  After reading this, I plan to do so immediately.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:47 | 2273438 Dixie Rect
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Looks like Major Douche Bag is running out of material.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:03 | 2273507 Chump
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Yeah I had to junk this one as well.  Gotta keep it fresh.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:53 | 2274246 Taint Boil
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I can feel a good 300-400 down arrow post coming soon from MDB. Everyone has a dry spell - just give him a chance.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:05 | 2273200 Clueless Economist
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LOL...good one are getter better, I was concerned as you had started to get stale.

"to esteemed Hollywood actors" I have more esteem for a steaming pile of dog shit than Hollywood actors.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:07 | 2273219 Al Huxley
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You're out of character Paul.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:13 | 2273239 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Check this out Al; because ABBA said so....

Sweden moving towards cashless economy:

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:21 | 2273271 i-dog
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You've gotta love the ATM in the church!! Says it all....

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:16 | 2274075 TruthInSunshine
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The symbolism is epic.

Wouldn't Jesus have had an issue with that? changers in the Temple 'n all?.....just sayin'


(One doesn't have to be Christian, belong to an organized religion, or even be a deist to understand Jesus's point)

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2274097 GeneMarchbanks
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What'd you expect from Lutherans? *eyeroll*

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:29 | 2273326 Al Huxley
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Wow, hard to know where to start with that one - 'digital money is better because it's safe from thieves'? and 'less graft because every transaction can be traced'?  What could go wrong with that.  I guess Swedes must still have some trust in their governments and banks.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:53 | 2273469 Ol Man
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They just changed the kind of crime...

From further in the article...

"The flip side is the risk of cybercrimes. According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention the number of computerized fraud cases, including skimming, surged to nearly 20,000 in 2011 from 3,304 in 2000."

And those especially adept at cybercrime are...

...bankers and government legislators...

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2273665 JLee2027
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Sweden's "cashless" idea is financial rape waiting to happen.  I do believe that in the coming years - after the wipeout and reset - electronic money will be viewed as evil and outlawed or at least required to exist both electronically and in physical form on a 1 to 1 basis.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:24 | 2273876 lemonobrien
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I've been thinking about this; it allows gold and silver to be used in the underground economy.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:54 | 2274088 TruthInSunshine
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There will be SRT/SWAT precious metal task forces to relieve anyone of their holdings if The Bernank or his successor lose the fiat confidence game.

Despite inevitable cries of 'paranoia' by some in response to such claims, it is worthwile to note that empires are not immortal, fiat currency not tied to units of inherent value has a relatively short shelf life, and that this has happened many times before, and will happen again.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 15:32 | 2274405 JLee2027
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Yes, a short half-life.

This one is stretching a LOOOONNNNGGGG time. Sinclair says 2015 before it completely dies. I couldn't imagine the funny money surviving w/o a real banking crisis of some kind until 2012, but it did. Unbelievable.

I am afraid these idiots are going to ride the car off the cliff accelerating all the way. Damn fools.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 19:47 | 2275281 LowProfile
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Au Contraire, the average lifespan of a fiat currency is 40 years.

We are right on schedule!

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:52 | 2273990 The Mighty Monarch
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Here's my personal count for theft from physical vs. digital sources, in the 20 + years I've been working:

Physical cash stolen: $40 (wallet stolen out of the locker room in high school)

Digital cash stolen: $4000 ($3000 when my MasterCard ATM was cloned and my checking account cleaned out, $1000 from various cloned credit cards).

Yeah, smashing idea, that cashless society thing.

The best thing anyone can do for themselves right now is chuck that MC/Visa checking account card, and insist that your bank issue you a traditional ATM card.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:55 | 2274001 Mesquite
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...because every transaction can be traced...

Sure worked well for Corzine, I see...


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:06 | 2273213 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Weak response.  Begin to use the word because to give your musings more purpose.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:12 | 2273218 FEDbuster
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Lesson learned?  Don't keep your money in banks.  They can't steal, what they can't find.

BTW Kalifornia grew by 10 million people from 1985-2005, yet the number of Kalifornia state income taxpayers only grew by 150,000 during that same period.  Kali is also the number one state in number of and percentage of welfare recipents per capita. 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:34 | 2273355 fleur de lis
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I wish that state would just break off and float away.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:30 | 2273624 XitSam
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Woot! Beachfront Yuma property.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:54 | 2273999 The Mighty Monarch
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Arizona Bay (thank you Bill Hicks).

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2274099 Esculent 69
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fleur- hold that thought for a little longer. i haven't left just yet, but when i do I'll help you push the handle to flush this turd out into the Pacific. Maybe the only way they can survive is to discover the oil off our coast and actually use it.  What am I talking about these are liberals who would rather float of into the ocean and live on twigs and leaves rather than use oil.  Oh wait. There i go again. Had another Joe Biden moment.  Stand up for Chuck!

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 16:45 | 2274709 Umh
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I thought the paradigm was sink;)

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:07 | 2273526 boiltherich
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I am forced to agree, I was born there (1958 on the far north coast within sight of Brookings Oregon) and in all my memory of the once great place I have to admit, it peaked in 1968.  In her defense I will say that of all the things that brought California down the very worst single one of them was not self inflicted, it was illegal immigration which is a federal jurisdiction but the costs associated with illegal immigration are mostly a state burden.  If states could/would calculate all costs associated with illegal immigrants and had the legal right to simply bill the federal government for them I assure you the federal government would have started enforcing borders and immigration law decades ago, but the left was too politically correct to do anything about it and the right used illegals as a weapon against unions and fair wages.   

I no longer live in California.  Unless you are so wealthy cost just does not matter, or you qualify for HUD and food stamps and are so poor taxes are not an issue, there is no place for you there.  Both of those segments of the population now outnumber middle class residents.  My homeland, the state I used to love, I loath even to drive through it to get to other states now.  But, before people pick on California as Taxifornia please keep in mind, what happens there will happen in your state in time, Oregon will get a sales tax, Florida will get an income tax, car registration where you are will rise to the stygian heights they have in the Golden State, when I bought my BMW in Oregon I went to the CA DMV website out of curiosity in case I wanted to move back over the border to my home state, they have an online fee calculator for your DMV bill, had I moved back prior to one year after buying that car it said my bill to the state for registration and sales tax (which Oregon does not have) would be $10,127.  Just to be road legal.  The next year, 2010, my registration renewal/tags would be $866.  Even now 3 years later the cost if I move to CA would be $352.

Total paid to the state of Oregon for the right to drive that car in this state= $0.00.  (disabled vets pay a one time $15 for a permanent lifetime registration for one vehicle transferable as they change cars over the years). 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:25 | 2274123 PrintPressPimpin
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yes very true indeed.  As i drive up to my place in the woods sometimes and witness the hordes of illegals coming back from working in the winerys sometimes i feel enraged.  Sometimes i honk incessantly and make threatening gestures out my car window.  Lately i have found peace and solace in the fact that their time is coming.  I calmly explain this to all the locals up there that this problem will resolve itself soon.  The mexicans will be forced back south even here in mexifornia.  The writing is on the wall and the economy is on the edge..  I can see the frustration mounting among those who realize the gig is up.  I am welcoming the collapse.  I dont even feel that prepared but when i look at all these illegals and affluent folks like my pops  living high on the hog I realize they are not prepared at all.. They have no idea what comes there way.  Soon a revolution will be fought against the injustices of crony capitalism, illegal immigration and wealth disparity.  California is such an amazing place north of the golden gate it really is a shame that these illegals are popping up in the most unlikely places.. but there time is coming.. the hatred grows within and all around.  An easy scapegoat they are

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:37 | 2274181 ceilidh_trail
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BTR- How right you are. I live in the Greater Cincinnati area. Up until 5 years ago, you would only see latinos in crop working season. Now, it is like a dyke broke; they are absolutely EVERYWHERE. They are all over the inner city, pushing strollers, crossing the street where ever and whenever they choose, regardless of traffic. In the old days, they would not make much eye contact. Now, a glower and a dare to a challange. They have no fear of deportation, no fear of arrest. I see more and more of them driving vehicles newer than mine- probably because they pay no/minimal tax.  They show up in my hospital with fake ID and claims of "nospeekadee english", and typically false addresses. The rest of us pay for this crap and have NO RECOURSE, because the DHS/INS refuses to go after them. Even under Bush, I know of a cop who raided a house of about twenty of them. He got in touch with the feds-"Don't call us unless you have a hundred of 'em". The absolute refusal to enforce our laws- immigration, financial, criminal, pushes us ever more to being over the abyss. From my perch, I see the law being used as a club for the benefit of those in power, and the rest of us serfs can go to hell.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 16:46 | 2274716 Umh
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We appear to have ZERO chance of reasnable immigration laws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:12 | 2273237 true brain
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Hello my troll friend. I missed you and your sarcasm. It's funny in a twisted way, not quite George Carlin, but funny nonetheless.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:17 | 2273254 IAmNotMark
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Did you read the article?

Did you read that the man did not owe the tax? 

Did you read that the state took the money from the man's bank account before informing him? 

Did you read that the bank took an extra $100 for the transaction?

I guess not.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 22:36 | 2275637 JPM Hater001
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I predict future historians will no doubt say, "And 5 minutes after Zerohedge posted it, the market collapsed."

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:27 | 2273308 Uncle Remus
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Jesus. It's an oxymoron-palooza.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2273329 fleur de lis
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No $, somehow you still don't get it. The IRS scam was conjured up at the same time as the Fed scam to rip off Americans and fund their racket. The racket has expanded with more and more employees and hangers on feeding at the trough and now they are running low on free food.

So never having had to work an honest day in their lives or produce anything of the slightest value, they do what they have always done to survive -- steal from us and justify it by waving a badge.  

Most top college professors are perfectly happy to keep the status quo not because they're smart or even informed but because it serves their purposes. As for Hollyweird please inform us as to the percentage of intelligent life or at least cultural contribution.


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:36 | 2273373 Antipodeus
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"MillionDullardsBogus" ... did you actually read the article?


Wed, 03/21/2012 - 00:12 | 2275805 MeelionDollerBogus
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hey, check out the name I chose :D

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 16:37 | 2274685 Umh
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Even if you're a troll you're an ass......

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 22:34 | 2275631 JPM Hater001
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"It is called TAXATION, and there is a BIG difference."
Look, he's having a tantrum.

I'll get the chloroform.

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 00:10 | 2275803 MeelionDollerBogus
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hold on a sec, printing money is not taxation officially, yet it steals savings.

Forgiving 100 billion dollar & larger frauds by Bank of America, by Citibank and by Goldman Sachs is certainly legalizing theft. This isn't taxation either.

What script are you reading from?

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 12:49 | 2276978 CutterJeff
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If one guy comes up to me, and points a gun and says, "Give me your money"... that's theft.

If two guys team up...that's theft.

If 10 guys... still theft.


Prithee, what is the magic number where it suddenly become "taxation" and stops being theft?



Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:02 | 2273190 true brain
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California is being reclaimed by the hispanics who on average have many more babies than other ethnicities (just search for the date if you're interested). The immigration policies of both Repub and Democrats favored the business looking for cheap labor and pandering for votes respectively amounted to the ignoring of the laws and the opening up California and the whole USA to the plundering from people coming from Mexico and other countries further south. These are mostly uneducated and fill up the bottom rungs of the economic ladder, and even they move up economically, they tend to occupy unionized positions thus further contributing to the degradation of America through misplaced belief in, dependency on government handouts.


Screw it, I  can't believe I actually took the time to wrote that. But California is screwed.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2273576 njrod
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Wait, wait, wait, hold on...ok, yeah, I agree.


Aztlán, bitchez! 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:18 | 2273577 Troll Magnet
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from TPTB's perspective:

uneducated immigrants en masse = more slaves for their status quo.  

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:46 | 2273964 There is No Spoon
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I wouldn't call harvesting crops by hand all day, or doing other manual labor, for far below minimum wages "plundering." They come here partly because we have ruined their domestic economies through economic imperialism and interference in their governments, fomenting civil wars, coups, etc. If Americans were willing to do the work they do, for minimum wage, the illegals would be crowded out of the system. But that's not going to happen when you can collect unemployment/disability and food stamps, which adds up to almost what you would make on minum wages. And yes, you are right, the immigration laws are not enforced.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 16:58 | 2274753 Umh
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I get a kick out the term "hispanics"; the Indians are just returning to get what was their's to begin with. All those well tanned folks are Indians not Spanish. So remind me to keep my hat on; I whould not want to get to tanned.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 18:22 | 2275031 three chord sloth
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The "Indians" of Mexico have absolutely no claim on California, their pre-Columbian nations never extended that far north... different languages, different cultures, different peoples. It would be exactly the same as giving England to Italy 'cause they're both European.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:03 | 2273194 schoolsout
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Good luck with that...


While eating oysters and catchin' a little buzz with pops the other evening, I started talking about Ron Paul.  My dad says he agrees with most of what he says, but that he's unelectable.  He knows Romney is a liberal and Newt is full of chit, but he "just wants to beat Obama." 

I said a few things...poured me another stiff drink and took a long walk down the dock to get a breath of some much fresher air.  WTF is wrong with people?  And this is my father...a very well-educated man who has done well for himself by working and being smart about things.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:11 | 2273232 Uchtdorf
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If I had a dollar for every time I heard "but he's unelectable," I'd be rich. I've started insulting people by showing them how ignorant they are rather than trying to reason with them. I guess that's why most people don't want to hazard engaging me in a discussion on the topic of politics/economics.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:24 | 2273601 njrod
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He's not "unelectable," he's just never going to win...TPTB will never allow it. 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 22:38 | 2275640 JPM Hater001
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If I have to hear one more time about how they like everything he says but his foreign policy I'm gonna puke.


"War it is!" I tell them.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:51 | 2273457 Lord Blankcheck
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Sounds like another brain washing by the sacred box.(MSM regurgitation)

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:36 | 2274175 Totentänzerlied
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From the pragmatist perspective that infects this (and virtually all) nation's politics, he is unelectable. However, that says far more about this nation's politics and citizenry than it does about him.

It's not really so much that he is unelectable, it is a clever phrasing which obfuscates cause and effect. It's more that the political character and electoral politics of this country at this time and in recent memory are such that he doesn't stand a chance with the voters. He is unelectable because he belongs to a group whose ideology, principles, politics, and econimics are not just unpopular but unacceptable and repugnant to the lion's share of the population, the entire corporate media, the left, the right, industry (except small business), and all who work for the government. Bluntly, his political agenda would (if actually applied) decimate the rent-seekers, welfare queens, gubmint cheese addicts, crony kleptocapitalists, bankers, career politicians, bleeding hearts, uber-redistributionists, maxarchists, jingoists, and so on. All of these groups would be shooting themselves in the foot by voting for Dr. Paul. MittBamaNewTorum's voter base is a sure thing because it is beholden to the state for its continued ability to plunder the productive classes. In Obama's case, his potential welfare voters number almost 50 million.

There is only one party, though it pretends to be two, and it permits NO challengers. So long as the public remains deluded by this false dichotomy, the party's future is assured.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 17:00 | 2274764 Umh
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My Dad voted for Johnson in 1964 to keep us out of war. Of course that didn't work out to well! Propaganda is a well oiled machine!

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:26 | 2273253 TruthInSunshine
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What's for now a 'shotgun desperado retard' approach by The State of California to trick some poor bastards into paying up relatively small sums clearly not legally due via the 'we-a-gonna-hassle-a-you-a-for-some-a-excedrin-headache-relief-dineros-beeeyotch' will evolve into California turning full-retard and actually hiring Nigerians to cast a much broader email phishing & telephone call scam campaign to any senior citizen (preferably demented) that California has any contact information on (no matter where they live in the world).

California, it's a long drive to the office. Board meetings. People think they're a bunch of pencil pushers. Arnold says you'll love it.

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Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:37 | 2273656 XitSam
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Holy crap!  I used to live in Canoga Park in 1964 and it was a nice place back then.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:21 | 2273853 TruthInSunshine
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The affects of the Idiocracy born in large part of the regression-to-slavery fractional reserve banking practices have already begun to take their toll.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 20:27 | 2275356 SmittyinLA
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I live there now and it's a 3rd world place now.  Terrible streets, awful city services, taxes out of control and English is a foreign language.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 21:00 | 2275413 akak
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Que dices, gringo?

Ahora, deme mi cheque y mi caridad medical!

Y no me de ninguna de esta habla de "ciudadanos", o de estas tarjetas verdes malditas, o de ser "illegal" --- soy de La Raza!

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:12 | 2273216 Oracle of Kypseli
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Similar thing happened to me when I returned from an overseas 2 year assignment. I used a friends address as an "address of record" as I was transiting back to the US. I received a letter from the state that I need to pay state taxes. I replied that I neither lived in CA nor I ever worked in CA, I merely used the address as a mailing hub. However the letters did not stop.

After several letters in a span of a year, I wrote a letter back starting with the below in the largest pt. font I could fit accross the page:


Then I proceeded to tell the story with chronology and details as if I was talking to a child. Then and only then, the letters stopped.

I recommend this approach highly. You hit a nerve and they want to prove to themselves that their IQ is indeed higher.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:16 | 2273243 Omen IV
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i also had similiar experience with CA - for about the same amount $1500 -  Franchise tax as well - around the same years - i never lived there nor did business there - they have not come after me but it ended up on my credit report  - called a few times but couldnt get it resolved so i ignored it - they must be promoting some type of scam

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:30 | 2273330 i-dog
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"they must be promoting some type of scam"

Yeah ... it's called "government".

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:25 | 2274119 TruthInSunshine
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Another +1


i-dog is on fire with the short, succinct, accurate burn today.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:31 | 2273342 NidStyles
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I have an uncle that lives in California. I have only stepped foot in that state once, and have never been registered there. I live in Arizona, and get frequent letters and phone calls from collectors there telling me I owe them money in that state. My uncle was used as reference for when I joined the Army over 12 years ago. I've been out for over a year and a half now, and the letters started when I got out of the Army telling me that I owed them money.


The thing is that they are sending me letters saying I owe them for periods of the time I was in Afghanistan to my home address that has been the same since 2000 in Phoenix, Arizona.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:22 | 2273257 johnQpublic
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i guess this story means i should take that tax bill i recieved from chester p.a. seriously, even though i have never lived or worked there


i was planning to ignore it

i also do not own property in p.a.

update:called the tax buraeu

they cant even figure out why they are billing me, but promised to call me back with the reason....we shall see

at least i got through immediately to someone who spoke english

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:03 | 2273508 10mm
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Chester PA,about as close to Satans asshole and Detroit.Pa did tax amnesty a couple yrs ago.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:21 | 2273270 Kaiser Sousa
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Born and raised n the yea area...
franchise tax board can kiss my tan ass repeatedly....

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 20:38 | 2275382 azzhatter
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I sense unhappiness

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:12 | 2273551 Eisenhorn
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Live in Texas.

No income taxes.

Problem solved.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:20 | 2273587 njrod
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You Live in Texas.

You Pay Taxes to Washington DC.

Your problem is not solved.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:35 | 2274162 Esculent 69
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It's illegal to file a tax return. the fica/soc sec that your employer "matches" is paid for by you. there is no irs form or schedule to show the denial of income plus the 100% taxation on that income to properly fill out your income and taxation. what does it say on the bottom of your return- under penalty of perjury any information you knowingly give as false is a crime. they can't force you to incriminate yourself can they? the 5th amendment takes care of that. Answer - don't file a tax return, and take out your maximum allowances. Problem solved. 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:40 | 2273671 XitSam
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"So you admit to owing California state taxes. Good. How much did you make last year? Send it in."

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 19:07 | 2275165 laomei
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I just live in China.  Unless you are a dumbass, worldwide income is not taxed, so just have clients send everything through Hong Kong.  As for the US? They can't tax what they can't find, and they'll never find it when it's not being held directly in my name.

No property taxes, sure it's all technically leasehold on new developments and even on old land it's usage rights, not outright ownership.  However, that 70 year lease wont expire for a long damned time and your place will probably be redeveloped long before that time comes anyway, for which you get damn good compensation (typically a mix of free properties and cash)

Our social insurance taxes get us: basic UHC, pension, housing fund, disability insurance, public housing, welfare, unemployment insurance, maternity benefits, etc.

Personal income taxes are fairly reasonable as well to be honest and they are not the crux of government revenues.  The majority comes from business, as it is easier to enforce on that level... and even that is not the main driver.  If you are a good solid middle-class earner pulling in $50k a year, you're looking at about 14% in income and income-based taxes.

The banking, oh god the banking. You have no idea how far behind you are in the US.  The last fee I had was an annual $1.50 charge for an account because the debit card was not upgraded to premium levels yet. But it's a private bank, and they are generally shit compared to the Big 4.  Instant money transfers, real-time debit, no fees unless you are out of town, credit cards with reasonable terms, gold/silver sold directly through the bank, access to high quality bonds and funds that pay 5%+ without jumping through hoops.

People out there are claiming there's some property bubble bursting, but ignoring the fact that it's purely due to government policy which is demanding that prices fall.  Why? Why would the government want prices to fall? Because they were getting out of reach of normal people.  There is insatiable demand for new housing here.  China would need to build over 10 million new units per year for over 20 years to meet it completely.

The wife heard something about "trust funds" the other day and wanted to know if we should get one for our kid.  In China there is no inheritance tax, there is no gift tax either.  We can flat out give our kid millions of dollars and there is no penalty or legal justification required.  

Capital gains? This is a thing that only applies to business.  As an individual, you will never have to think about it.

Lottery winnings? 20% after the first 10,000 RMB.  You get it all in a lump sum, no bullshit about it either.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 19:40 | 2275264 akak
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Great information Laomei --- it is fascinating to learn some of the real contrasts between financial life in "Communist China" and the "free and democratic" USA.


PS: If you happen to see your fellow countryman and ZH troll AnAnonymous around about town, can you please punch him in the face for me?

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:08 | 2273809 holdingontomypants
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The answer is quite simple why he is getting a tax bill for 2006. Somebody is using his identity to work and they checked 15 exemptions on the W-4 form so no state or federal taxes get witheld. Then at the end of the year the employer sent in the W-2 with gross earnings reported and have a tax bill. Expect to see the 2007-2011 tax bill coming soon also. IRS will be next and if you are drawing social security right now expect issues from them to as they will say you earned more then the exempted allowable threshold and as a result you were overpaid by socia security.


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:14 | 2273829 malek
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Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:36 | 2273914 lemonobrien
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yep, nigga got jack'd

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:31 | 2273895 azusgm
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Identity theft. Now that sounds likely.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:47 | 2273127 Bearster
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And income tax by forcing people to file returns and so on ... isn't theft?

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:31 | 2273331 stirners_ghost
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I wouldn't expect C.H. Smith to observe that correlation. He occasionally allows individualist ideas to intrude on his socialist populism, but he's a central planner at heart.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:52 | 2273732 RichardP
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Requiring people to pay some amount for services received is not theft.  You are embarrasing yourself by leaving that part out of your argument.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 22:52 | 2275665 prole
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So .. pointing a gun at someone's head, and forcing  him to surrender his capital to you .. is not theft?

As long as you pretend that you deliver to such person some unwanted "services?"  What services pray tell? I mean besides the gun to the head?

Is it also not theft if they go right into your bank account and STEAL your money out of that? Not theft is it?

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:44 | 2274207 Esculent 69
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bearster-  look a few posts above and you have seen this   -It's illegal to file a tax return. the fica/soc sec that your employer "matches" is paid for by you. there is no irs form or schedule to show the denial of income plus the 100% taxation on that income to properly fill out your income and taxation. what does it say on the bottom of your return- under penalty of perjury any information you knowingly give as false is a crime. they can't force you to incriminate yourself can they? the 5th amendment takes care of that. Answer - don't file a tax return, and take out your maximum allowances. Problem solved. 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2273130 Sudden Debt
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California, home of the crybaby's


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2273135 ACP
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Predatory crybabies.

Cry all the way to YOUR bank.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:05 | 2273208 slow_roast
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Without revenues, or innovation that comes out of California, figure out where the rest of the country would be.   LOL

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:16 | 2273255 Doubleguns
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When the panama canal widening effort is finished we might find out.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:46 | 2273428 ParkAveFlasher
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+200 Sir.  No one is talking about the Panama Canal tripling its capacity and likely throwing global trade balances in utter turmoil.  Charleston is being dredged for ultra-super-mega-hyper ship capacity and ancillary ports on the east coast of the US are following suit or at least prepping to handle the tertiary freight.  

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:34 | 2273357 NidStyles
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What innovation? THe innovation that is done in labs in Asia, and claimed by managers in Silicon Valley? Give me a break. California has produced anything of worth since the 80's. The rest is hyperbole and BS.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:15 | 2273566 Sudden Debt
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eeuuuh.... innovation? :)



Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:25 | 2273608 njrod
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don't hate on the people, hate on the government.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:48 | 2273132 Madcow
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I'm going to start sending out random invoices to people who are not even customers - along with a nasty and threatening letter.  Some are bound to pay !

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:55 | 2273161 americanspirit
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Hello Madcow - that is done all the time. If you had ever owned a small business you would have seen that scam many times.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:10 | 2273229 slaughterer
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Getting random invoices from companies whose products and services one did not use is standard everyday life in Europe (even Germany).  I guess the parallels between CA and Europe are pretty glaring though. 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:25 | 2273293 johnQpublic
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bill them for gay child porn....they are bound to pay to make the letters stop cumming

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:49 | 2273450 rosiescenario
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....may work if you avoid using a Nigerian return address.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 17:06 | 2274790 Umh
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I've been told that it works.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:49 | 2273134 slow_roast
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New York State took $36k out of my bank account for back-taxes owed on a year that I didn't live there without seeming to have attempted to contacted me first.  My accountant was able to clear it up but it's predatory.


I'm originally from California and have friends who have received notices years and years after moving away telling them how much they owe for prior year's taxes even though they didn't live in California.  Desperation city.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:59 | 2273181 DeadFred
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The states need cash and this is a way to float a "loan". They'll have to give it back in a few months or years but until then they have your $$$ to pay bills. If they go belly up in a few years their new "creditor" take the loss. Don't you think it's bullish that the states have creative people working on new ways to pay the bills?

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:05 | 2273201 j0nx
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Easy fix: deport all illegals and trim state government by 25%. They would be SWIMMING in money in 2 years but NOOOOO they have to go down the long road of political correctness instead. FAIL.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:45 | 2273699 JLee2027
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I agree with you, but 25% ?

More like 75% will happen eventually. Law of economics.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2273441 ParkAveFlasher
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I live in NYC and yes I've funds lifted from my account without forewarning.  In my case I actually did owe however I had already submitted a check, so double-paid, and had to chase the state and their very uncooperative officials for a refund.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:54 | 2273146 bob_dabolina
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I used to live in San Diego and fucking hated it. I moved to Virginia and fell in love with the state.

California is a steaming pile of festering shit. I pray for the day it falls into the god damn ocean.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:07 | 2273215 j0nx
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As long as you are 100 miles south of DC and not in NoVa then Virginia is a great state. NoVa is really no different from California now because it's filled with liberals and foreigners who have all ruined what was once a good thing.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:19 | 2273231 bob_dabolina
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I live in the Red Mill area of Virginia Beach.

I needed to be AT LEAST 200 miles from D.C to maintain my sanity.

If I lived near D.C I would probably get a subcranial hematoma and assume room temperature.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:24 | 2273875 stacking12321
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stupid redneck.

america was founded by "foreigners".

immigration is a good thing, and those who immigrate are of benefit to society, they are generally the most ambitious and hard working people.


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 15:41 | 2274407 akak
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Yes, "America" (you mean the United States, which is NOT the same thing) was founded by foreigners --- hard-working foreigners who did not cross a border surreptitiously in the middle of the night, nor who collected governmental welfare, nor who refused to speak the prevailing English language, nor who refused to assimilate, nor who openly declared their intention to overwhelm the local culture in a brazen act of colonization with the eventual and openly-declared goal of seceding and rejoining the neighboring nation from which they came.

Y antes de acusarme de prejuicio, sabe Ud. que yo hablo espanol tambien, y he viajado en los paises hispanicos muchas veces (a la Republica de Mexico y la mayoria de suramerica los dos, y nunca a los centros turisticos tipicos), y no soy ignorante "redneck" que los odia a ellos, a sus cultura, a sus comidas o a sus idioma.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:08 | 2273220 slow_roast
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I've lived in 5 different states, east and west coasts, and find California to be the best of all of them...I surf so I'm skewed in opinion but central California all the way up to Oregon is fairly gorgeous within 100 miles of the coast...the taxes suck but California is certainly not a festering pile of shit in the least.  I'm glad you like Virginia, because the less people that live in California the better for me. 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:21 | 2273266 Doubleguns
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Once most of the taxpayers leave I am sure you will enjoy it even more.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:25 | 2273267 bob_dabolina
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Oh yeah the beaches. Having little Mexican babies doing summersaults over you is reallllll relaxing if you're into that kind of thing.

Maybe NorCal but the beaches in SoCal are full of scum bags. Pacific Beach is full of drug addicts and going all the way up to L.A... Santa Barbara is legit if you're ok with the cost of living being higher than the fucking clouds.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:30 | 2273335 Manthong
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Hey kids, todays lesson is titled “California Shows What Socialist Government Control Has Done to Education and Provides a Preview of What Will Happen With Health Care”

Anyone who can read the course material passes the exam.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:39 | 2273669 GCT
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He forgot to mention you need to take a special shower after surfing in the beaches with signs posted all up and down the coast about pollution. Born and raised at Venice Beach which is now a shit hole.   Recently went back to visit my father and thought I would do some diving in my old digs.  The place was like a desert everything was dead and all you could see was sand. 

So much for being the green state! 

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 00:32 | 2275831 Bringin It
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Manthong - at the same time, they're raising tuition and turning away students, they're giving the already overpaid big admins big pay raises.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:48 | 2273443 Abiotic Oil
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Please tell all the Kalifornians who keep moving to my state of Oregon, and bringing their filthy consumer/entitlement culture with them, how great it is so they stay down there.  

We now have just a few of counties that have been flooded with these folks to the point where they can control our state legislature.

And why do they move to Oregon? To get away of their overtaxed, failed consumer/entitlement culture of course.

And what do the Kalifornians do when they move up here?  Try to rebuild their crappy consumerism/entitlement culture that is achieving epic fail in Kalifornia.


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:48 | 2273708 Jason_1sandal
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+ 1000

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:17 | 2273845 malek
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+1 oz

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:23 | 2273871 AndTheRest
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Whites fleeing from California are flooding into Oregon, Colorado, Idaho, and Arizona.  They are bringing their same ideology that ruined California in the first place.  And none of them will admit that they are fleeing the masses of brown people in California.


No, they always claim to be "seeking a better quality of life."  Well what drove the quality of life into the shitter in California?  Oh, it's the masses of brown people with their sloth, drugs, and crime.  But they'll NEVER admit that.  And they seize control of local politics and begin shaping the local culture such that it is a mini-California.  And before long they want their Mexican gardeners, car washes, and nannys back.  You can't, like, you know, except a Californian to take care of those things themselves after all?


And so the Mexicans follow them, and the cycle begins anew.  America is fucked.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:56 | 2274003 Abiotic Oil
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I've noticed most Kalifornians are completely hoplophobic so I tend to open carry as much as possible.

"Oh my gawd, hun. I thiink that guy at the next check stand has a.....<gasp> gun.....what do we do?"

I hope I'm doing my small part to send them back to Kali.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:52 | 2274243 The Mighty Monarch
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I hope to be the next one. Boise is looking awfully good right now. Voting in my neck of the woods (Bay Area) is pointless for a libertarian like myself. Rest assured that when we move it's to get away from the toxic California culture and politics.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:10 | 2273230 Dapper Dan
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You could live in India,

Indian woman gets $10,000 for toilet protest

An Indian woman who forced her husband to build a toilet in their home has been presented with a cheque for $10,000 (£6,000) by a campaign group.

More than half-a-billion Indians still lack access to basic sanitation.  500 million crap out doors. that is a big pile.

According to figures in the latest Indian census, only 46.9% of the 246.6 million households have lavatories while 49.8% defecate in the open. The remaining 3.2% use public toilets.

It also revealed that 63.2% of homes have a telephone. Go long Iphone, short American Standard (made in Mexico)

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:28 | 2273313 bob_dabolina
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How 'bout this shit hole in Liberia.

Spread this around, maybe it can get some stupid morons to donate money to it like Kony 2012.

Worst Ghetto In The World: Liberia

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:43 | 2273411 Dapper Dan
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Quote of the day.

"There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order."

When I get into a discussion with friends and family about the future of the planet, I first ask them to Google earth the following citys,  I tell them to zoom in close then slowly pull back on each city, after they complete that task we usually have a more au fait conversation. 

Shanghai, China 13.3 million
Mumbai (Bombay), India 12.6 million
Buenos Aires, Argentina 11.92 million
Moscow, Russia 11.3 million
Karachi, Pakistan 10.9 million
Delhi, India 10.4 million
Manila, Philippines 10.3 million
Sao Paulo, Brazil 10.26 million
Seoul, South Korea 10.2 million
Istanbul, Turkey 9.6 million
Jakarta, Indonesia 9.0 million
Mexico City, Mexico 8.7 million
Lagos, Nigeria 8.68 million
Lima, Peru 8.38 million
Tokyo, Japan 8.3 million
New York City, USA 8.09 million
Cairo, Egypt 7.6 million
London, UK 7.59 million
Teheran, Iran 7.3 million
Beijing, China 7.2 million

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:44 | 2273422 Manthong
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Venice Beach 2016, at the end of Obama's second term?

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:35 | 2273365 Yardfarmer
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i take a lot of dumps outside myself. so do the coyotes, bears mountain lions, pigs, chickens, dogs , sheep, and goats. it helps to have a couple thousand acres though. i don't think i would much like India, or California, or Virginia either for that matter. or taxes.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:13 | 2273559 Jethro
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I lived in New Delhi from 1993-1994.  I used to go to my girlfriends house across town, usually by autorickshaw (reborn Kamikazi pilots).  On the way there, I'd go over this huge bridge over a railway yard, and there was a sidewalk on one side of the bridge.  There was a pile of feces about every 1 square meter for the approximate 500-meter length of bridge on the sidewalk.  I naively thought people were bringing their dogs to crap on the bridge. 

Then, my shift changed, and I went to my girlfriend's house early in the morning.  There were scores of people on the bridge sidewalk taking a dump in the early morning.

You can see the same thing if you ever travel by train in India.  As dawn approaches, the entire countryside goes down by the train tracks to drop a duece.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 15:45 | 2274479 akak
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Are you sure that they were not in fact Chinese citizenism citizens?  Because I hear that that sort of thing is ubiquitous in the People's Republic of Public Spitting and Shitting.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2274104 Mesquite
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Similiar story in China..

But, they both have their Satellites up there..


Tue, 03/20/2012 - 11:12 | 2273235 slaughterer
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I am actually thinking of moving the home desk to San Diego in September.  What did you hate about it?

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 12:19 | 2273366 bob_dabolina
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San Diego is nice if you have $10,000,000 and can afford a decent place in La Jolla, Corona Beach, or Rancho Santa Fe. Everything else is fucked in my opinion. Even La Jolla can suck because the traffic/parking is just stupid.

San Diego, in my opinion:

Over taxed

Over populated - wayyy too many people (the I-5 is 10 lanes in some places) 10 fucking lanes and it STILL gets bumper-to-bumper traffic that can keep you jammed up for hours.

A huge amount of low class people and drug addicts

A huge number of flat out homeless people. I think there are more homeless in San Diego than the entire  country put together.

An extremely high cost of living.

Want a house? They're stacked upon one another, so if you run out of toilet paper you can at least reach out your window and grab a paper towel from your neighbors kitchen.

The people in general. I didn't like the people in general. They say the education is good in California but you wouldn't know it talking to the average person there.

Regulation on business is sickening. In fact regulation and laws out there are out of control. I got a $500 ticket for drinking a beer on the beach. Are you fucking kidding me?

I thought the weather was good but over redundant. I personally like seasons so the most appealing attribute (for most people) wasn't a big thing for me.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 13:19 | 2273858 slaughterer
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Bob, thanks for the response.  It is good to hear from the trenches before making a mistake I will later regret.  I am thinking of not moving to San Diego now. 

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 16:55 | 2274741 r00t61
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I lived in San Diego for a number of years.  I do agree with Bob that if you're rich, it can be a nice place.  The rich part of La Jolla in 92037, and the super-rich RSF (where Trevor Hoffman, Jewel, and T. Boone Pickens, among others, live), are as close to living in ensconced unicorn fairy-land as you can find anywhere in the US.  But anything along the coast can be nice: Point Loma, Pacific Beach, Carlsbad.  It's only once you start moving inland a few miles that you realize that SD is merely a built-up desert.

The traffic is terrible just about everywhere, which was one of the primary motivations for me learning how to ride a motorcycle.  In SD the weather is nice enough that I could reliably ride at least 350 days out of the year.  Where I am now in the Midwest, you might be lucky to ride 180 days out of the year.

The I-5 might be bad, but the I-805 is even worse.

I was actually struck by the number of homeless people here when I first moved.  Eventually, my co-workers and I settled on the hypothesis that SD's a great place to be homeless because the weather's so nice.  Compared to, say, Chicago, where it'll hit -10 in the winter, and 99 with 100% humidity in the summer, SD is a haven.

Cost of living is indeed pretty crazy, though still not nearly as crazy as SF, Boston, or NYC.

I do miss riding my motorcycle, but that doesn't make up for the rest of the ever-encroaching nanny-state collectivism of California.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:52 | 2273148 Seasmoke
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Tue, 03/20/2012 - 15:50 | 2274503 akak
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Even in Alaska we have to deal with that sort of thing: Seattlization --- flaky, obnoxious and statist lemmings fleeing the mass congestion of Seattle and Portland to pollute the formerly libertarian ethos here.  All the oil-related rednecks from Texas and Oklahoma pretty much poisoned the former social milieu even before the Crunchies did, though.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:52 | 2273152 Schmuck Raker
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I hope this story receives more coverage, investigation, and outrage.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:52 | 2273153 Dr. Engali
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"If any mainstream media journalist wants to pursue this story, email me and I will put you in touch with R.T."


Yeah right . Don't get your hopes up there.

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:52 | 2273154 alexwest
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please tell who did this noble guy vote for last president /gubernatorial elections ?

imbicile Bush Jr? yet not able speaking coherent language beefed-up Mr Universe 7times? so nice , so black , so non-citizen o'Mama?

well.. if yes, not need to be in such surprise


California is fine... PEOPLE ARE FUCKED (C) George Carlin..

personally i feel bad for guy..

Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:53 | 2273155 dick cheneys ghost
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Tue, 03/20/2012 - 10:59 | 2273183 kridkrid
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And those are only the cracks you can see. - Here's a windmill that looks normal... until it doesn't.

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