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Guest Post: Welcome to the United States of Orwell, Part 2: Law-Abiding Taxpayers Treated As Criminals

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In a follow-up to yesterday's Part 1: Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith of OfTwoMinds,


Welcome to the United States of Orwell, Part 2: Law-Abiding Taxpayers Are Treated as Criminals While the Real Criminals Go Free   (March 27, 2012)

Law-abiding taxpayers are treated like criminals while the criminal class of financiers and State apparatchiks are free to loot and pillage muppets and taxpayers alike.

I recently received quite an education about how law-abiding taxpayers are treated by the state of California via dozens upon dozens of emails detailing how the Golden State ransacked the bank accounts of law-abiding taxpayers in other states without notification or due process, as if the citizens being looted were crafty bankers who'd stolen church funds to live tax-free in an offshore tax haven.

As we all know, crafty (and politically protected) bankers are free to loot churches, muppets and the taxpayers at will while taxpayers are looted by lawless government. Here is a typical account of state thievery. It is anonymous for a good reason: As I noted last week, law-abiding citizens are terrified of their governments, local, state and Federal, as they know that these agencies are literally above the law and will exact retribution on anyone who reveals their tyrannical trashing of due process or who questions their feudal pillaging of oppressed debt-serfs. (I previously addressed this topic in Welcome to the Predatory State of California--Even If You Don't Live There March 20, 2012)


I received a letter last year that we owed the state of California's Franchise Tax Board $90,000 for taxes in the year 2008.

We replied to the Franchise Tax board in a similar manner as RT stating that:

-- Did not reside in California in 2008

-- Did not file a State income tax return in California in 2008

-- Did not have any outstanding tax issues with California in 2008

-- Did no business in California in 2008

-- Owned no property in California in 2008

The CA Franchise Tax board responded by putting a lien on us in the state - fortunately, our banks and assets have no business in CA or I am certain our accounts would have been robbed as well.

After a great deal of uncertainty and angst, I found an accountant in CA who advised us that we needed to file a complete CA tax return for 2008 even though we did not owe any tax. We filed the return and received a response that we owed the state $625 to cover the State's collection fees. We paid the fee and within two weeks received a "refund" check for the $625.

On reflection, we felt as if we had been "held up" by some powerful gangsters and if it had not been for an honest tax accountant we would have suffered much financial damage.

This basic story is repeated thousands of times annually, and while California may hold special status as the most predatory, parasitic, due-process-be-damned state, it's clear that other state and local governments are pursuing similar strategies of lawless looting under the cover of tyrannical statutes approved by elected lackeys of the financial aristocracy.

Is financial tyranny "legal" if some state legislature claims it is legal? Or is all financial tyranny above the law, regardless of what the elected toadies and apparatchiks claim? Would the Supreme Court, another set of lackeys, ever rule that a state cannot steal funds from a private bank account without due process other than a concocted claim that the person might owe the state taxes?

Of course it won't, for the Supreme Court has long ago given up restricting government's ability to loot and pillage the citizenry. The Court can't even be roused to defend the Bill of Rights, the most sacred set of civil liberties the nation holds (or held-- the Bill of Rights has been annulled by the Orwellian "national defense" NDAA-- Welcome to the United States of Orwell, Part 1: Our One Last Chance to Preserve the Bill of Rights).

Based on dozens of detailed accounts, I finally figured out how the state of California calculates the tax you owe it.

1. If you ever resided in California or filed a tax return there, even 20 years ago, then any 1099 you receive from anywhere from now until your death is "proof" that you owe tax on that income to California.

2. If you live elsewhere but retain a license to do any kind of business in California, you must be hiding income and therefore you owe substantial taxes to California based on bureaucratic calculations of the average income others with your license earned.

3. If you ever filed a tax return in California, if you stop filing tax returns then you will be targeted and brought to earth as a tax dodger. The only way to escape the lawless wrath of the state's Franchise Tax Board is to keep filing tax returns in California until you die, even if you moved away years ago and earned no income there.

Yes, the mere cessation of filing is "proof" you're hiding income and are a tax dodger whose bank account must be stripped clean. Wells Fargo Bank, a recipient of taxpayer funds in the billions of dollars, deducts $100 or even $150 to do the state's dirty work, and then when it's shown the taxpayer owes the state no taxes, the bank doesn't refund the fee--are you kidding?

The banks and their management are still free to plunder, loot, defraud, pillage, misrepresent risk, assets and liabilities--all backstopped by taxpayer funds. If this isn't the acme of Orwellian reversal, then precisely what is? Taxpayers whose accounts have been looted by the state on the flimsy pretenses listed above must then endure the Kafkaesque torture of pleading with California'a Franchise Tax Board to return the money that was stolen from them without due process.

The Franchise Tax Board tells the powerless taxpayer (let's call him Josef K.) that if he's lucky (and who's lucky when caught in a fearsome web of bureaucracy) his money might trickle back to him in 6 to 8 weeks. The $100 stolen by Wells Fargo-- that's your "penalty" for ever having admitted that you lived in California.

It's like the Hotel California--you can move out any time you like, but you can never leave the tax liability. I am not making this up--I have dozens of detailed accounts of people moving out of California many years ago and having no business or property in the state, yet a 1099 from years past or the mere "failure" to keep filing state returns in perpetuity triggers an unannounced and unexplained raid on their private bank account and/or a lien against any property they own in California.

Then, after much anguish and expense, the trumped-up, totally fabricated, delusional claims of tax liability dissolve and then they begin the bureaucratic nightmare of trying to wrest their money from the rogue state's grasp.

Meanwhile, Federal prosecution of financial fraud has fallen to a 20-year low. Coincidence? No; lack of funding and powerful political protection play roles in protecting the real criminals from any risk. Brown-nosing Republicans have made ceaseless efforts to gut any agencies still clinging to an interest in prosecuting financial crimes, but financial tyranny starts by gutting the statutes themselves so fraud, embezzlement, etc. are no longer crimes.

Not filing a tax return in California even though you moved out of the state 10 years ago, however, is a crime--but as in an Orwellian nightmare, the "law" isn't written down, it is embedded in some bureaucratic rules that are hidden from the taxpaying citizens. It isn't "legal," but since due process has been abolished, who cares what's legal or illegal?

It's actually very simple: whatever the state or Federal government does to you, that's legal. Whatever action you take to protect your rights is illegal.

In case you have any doubts about where our "leadership" is taking us, please review these Assorted quotes by Fascists or about Fascism.


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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:44 | 2294217 Olympia
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The over-profits of the shark loans in the USA not only did not turn their dollars into inflationary money, but also they were multiplied and exported abroad in the form of “investments”. The illegally “increased" dollars of the internal USA economy become tons of “investments” abroad. FED printed cheap money and loansharking multiplied this money in an unnatural way within the American economy boarders and they discarded them abroad so that they did not threaten USA. USA became the first state in the world with artificial “breathing” ...the first state that burdened the international economy with its “breathing” ... and this is where everything started ...this is where the current shabbiness started, Loan sharks that are international today and “hide” behind the vague term of “Markets” are in fact the old loan sharks of the American market. They by controlling the USA monetary system “pumped in air” constantly in order to make profit from the USA “breathing”.




Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:48 | 2294229 Divided States ...
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If I am going to be treated like a criminal regardless, I aint gonna pay my taxes.

Took that right out of our Treasury Secretary's handbook on how to be a good citizen.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:52 | 2294245 Pladizow
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West Soyd!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:57 | 2294258 battle axe
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Calif, the most fucked up state in the  Union. 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:02 | 2294276 Money 4 Nothing
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Florida is running a close 2nd.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:06 | 2294286 William113
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Nope, Fl is fixing their financial issues and they don't steal from you. Mass hole chuesetts would be second.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:29 | 2294666 blindfaith
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by gosh you are right...near 25000 workders have been fired or let go  to 'balance the budget" (guess what that does to the 'fractional' turn over of money).  Florida has changed the property taxes to an a'la'carte get billed for everything as separate item ( property, school, fire, trash, etc.) and each has gone up (but you as a Republican Govornor can claim 'property taxes' have gone down by twisting the facts).  I'd go on but no one in Florida pays attention to facts.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:26 | 2294888 Troll Magnet
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liberals just LOVE to tax other people's income, don't they?  why work when you can just live off of other people who are actually productive?  yup.  that's california liberals for you.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:51 | 2294960 The Alarmist
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Whine, whine, whine. I've lived in FL and I've lived in NYC ... You don't begin to appreciate how good you have it in FL.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:25 | 2295045 Hugh_Jorgan
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I will never understand how Orwell could be so adept at weaving a story around the inevitable nightmare of collectivist, centrally planned Governance, but still apologize for Socialism and Communism.

It is like decrying the horrors of chidbirth, but then advocating for pregnancy as a system of belief. I don't think he understood (or accepted?) the realities of mans avarice.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:04 | 2294278 t_kAyk
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I live in Illinois.  We are pretty messed up. 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 17:45 | 2295732 Blankenstein
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We are running neck and neck with California for worst state.   The devil's henchmen reside here:  Michael Madigan (who really seems to believe he is emperor of Il.), Adolf Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, The Daleys, etc.   Not only do these kleptocrats rule everything here, they have infiltrated the federal government.  Our last two governors are both in jail currently along with a few other various players.  

Ex-mayor Daley is now also working on the globalist agenda:

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 01:30 | 2296530 Marc_W
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California is a state of amazing natural beauty and wonder.  The climate is spectacular, and it possesses world class beaches, ski resorts, mountains, hiking, and so forth.  And there are plenty of beautiful women in California.  Along with a laid back culture.


If two states are run by corrupt governments then I'll take the one with all of the above over the one with freezing, horrible winters, rain, pollution, and no real redeeming qualities any day of the week.


There is literally nothing good about Chicago or Illinois.  Nothing.

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 02:00 | 2296554 t_kAyk
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I am gonna go ahead and disagree with you on that.  Southern Illinois is some of the most beautiful land I have even seen, more akin to the rolling hills of the forrests of Missouri.  It is great land for making wine, hence the robust community of local vineyards.  Should you ever decide to visit this state then give your finger to the north and head down south.  Fine living and dining all around. 


Chicago is fun to visit for ball games and such, but they are their own world. 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:04 | 2294280 Bring the Gold
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Funny thing is I saw that same flag and pic, but with an elephant instead of a donkey in 2002. It was right then, its right now. Silly that folks act like its one party or another. It's about what we as Americans have allowed our country to become.

Wishing all you ZHers the ability to transcend this madness. It all starts within, change that and everything else will change. Don't change what's within and it doesn't matter what party or people run things we will keep getting the same result. All change begins within. May you all have a rich abundance of peace, love and joy in your lives.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:32 | 2294370 Mark701
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Actually the dipiction with the donkey is incorrect. Democrats are supposed to be communists, not fascists. Republican policies would be more accurately describe as fascist. These philosophies are at opposite ends of the spectrum so the picture is plain dumb.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:41 | 2294428 V in PA
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Your comment reminds me of the Potato/PotAto argument. Call it what you want but ultimately it is the complete oppressive control of the citizenry and their money.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:52 | 2294490 pods
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It becomes easier when you look at a linear line.

On one end, you have personal liberty.  On the other, you have government power.

All the -isms are at that end.  Just different flavors to catch the different flavors of statists.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2294510 V in PA
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I think it looks more like this circle.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:10 | 2294581 beaker
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Spot on, V in PA.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:05 | 2294804 Sudden Debt
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Hmmm... Left or right.... Decisions decisions....

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:51 | 2294959 krispkritter
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Struck out on date night again SD? Not sure Rosy Palm cares which way you lean politically...(snark)

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 11:16 | 2297338 Marc_W
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That implies there's a difference between flavors of statist.  I say there isn't.


It's not like we're waffling back and forth wildly from right to left when we elect republicans of democrats.  In fact, the tenor and function of government barely changes at all.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:18 | 2294600 Esculent 69
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last time i checked it was the democrat party who tries to silence people who oppose their point of view. Just look at global warming, or healthcare, or taxes, or christianity/catholics/mormons/baptists but if you are a muslim then you are golden, or if you want the government to limit their taxing and spending like the tea party, but if you are a anarchist/communist/socialist/progressive/stalinist then you are protected by the democrat party as heroes and the 99%ers, or if you believe in traditional marriage which has a specific definition and who wants to change that. DEMOCRATS!!! The constitution guarantees a REPUBLICAN FORM of government. Republican means a representative form of gov't. Democracy is majority rules.  Meaning they will RULE OVER YOU. The Republicans in congress are the ones we want to get rid of and put in actural representatives of the people.  Fascism tries to silence people by using the gov't.......or community organizers like Obama!  There is a difference. Just not one you will ever recognize. WTFU

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:29 | 2294664 Forward History
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Hey, past me - what are you doing posting here? I thought I shoved you back into your time machine.

And jeeze - did you mix the Hannity and the hops again this time? I don't remember doing that, so maybe you're from another quantum stream.

So glad I know better these days.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:24 | 2295035 Hot Piece of Bass
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I think republicans get a bad rap.  All republicans want to do is use their bought and paid for radio and TV monopolies to overwhelm or control all information so that we will all have to bow to their religion... money!  I mean Jesus!  (Who happens to love you more if you have lots of money)

Republicans want to make sure that the government serves only the interests of the super rich because they are the most loved by Jesus.  It's ok to bail out big rich companies because they make the markets that trickle on us all!  That's how capitalism works you know?  Give as much money and power as you can to as few people as you can.  Democracy is for communists!  What kind of decent person wants to have a say in how they are ruled?  The same people who want you to get gay married! 

Those stupid people who want to organize are evil!  The job of a populace should be to unquestioningly die for the sake of their betters.  If they say go and kill, you should do so and not ask questions.  Doubting your superiors is commu-islamo-fascism.

Besides , how can you even worry about such trivial things like justifications for war or corporate malfeasance when their are men out their buggering each other!  Right now!  In each other's butts!!!

I've seen my own asshole in the mirror and let me tell you... it's no playground.

(sorry for the nonsensical nature of the post but... I felt you were hogging all the stupid to yourself)


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:35 | 2294697 tarsubil
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I once had a conversation with a smug kid who ended up saying almost exactly what you typed out there. One of the biggest regrets in my life is not breaking his jaw. Oh well.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 19:58 | 2296021 Charles Bishop ...
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 You still have time. tiptoe down the hall, go into his room, and punch him while he's sleeping.Kids are SUCH wiseasses these days.

Spare the rod, and all that.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:39 | 2294716 robobbob
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socialists and fascists are both branches of the same collectivist tree. one group tends to be more internationalist and collectivist oriented with wanting direct government control of the economy, the other, more nationalist and use of business as a tool for carrying out government economic policy. both look at the people as a resource that needs to be managed for their own good. democrats protecting big banks, repubs growing government. both trashing the constitution. its pointless to try to assign the current US political parties either name. they both represent the same things. the flag in the picture would be more accurate if it had a donkey and an elephant on it.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:24 | 2294638 Gringo Viejo
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Public sector unions have destroyed California. Just had another police chief in the Bay Area "retire" last week after 2 FUCKING YEARS ON THE JOB. This is common practice so the next asshole in line gets to jump in, sit there for 2 years and "retire" with a chief's pension.

Extrapolate it over 20 or 30 years and you get the picture.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:38 | 2294710 tarsubil
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Ever wonder if unions are a symptom not the disease?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:57 | 2294974 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yeah, but sometimes its the symptoms that kill you.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:49 | 2294480 carguym14
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Except your chances of a hefty fine and/or prison are a heluva lot higher than being treasury secretary........

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:02 | 2294797 chubbar
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This is exactly why I support banking privacy and defend the idea that we as individuals should be able move our banking offshore and out of harms way from these overzealous idiots. One isn't a tax cheat just because they don't want some asshole gov't official having the ability to wipeout their bank account (and often times the resources to fight back) at will.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:50 | 2294956 TeMpTeK
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Two words......Fuck California!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:22 | 2295476 mick_richfield
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Not if you paid me.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:45 | 2295320 AGuy
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No problem!

I've just added CA to my no fly, no business list. I simply refuse to buy anything or travel to CA. Boycott CA!

"Welcome to Hotel Taxifornia, You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave."

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:41 | 2295558 MiddletonRobert3
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my roomate's sister makes $85 hourly on the computer. She has been fired from work for 6 months but last month her paycheck was $16158 just working on the computer for a few hours. Read more here .....

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 23:20 | 2296369 VisualCSharp
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Hyperinflation already?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:45 | 2294220 AN0NYM0US
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Muppets are we

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:37 | 2294414 V in PA
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I missed when 'Muppets' became a term to desrcibe something other than a Jim Henson creation. Could someone tell me what the new definition is?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:49 | 2294473 narapoiddyslexia
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See the link -

He describes the uses of the phrase "muppets." Its us, in general, since the gubmint subsidizes GS losses.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:52 | 2294489 V in PA
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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:25 | 2294640 dark pools of soros
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if you are around a bunch of traders and don't know who the muppet is.....  you is the muppet

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2294515 12ToothAssassin
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ex Goldmanite did an op-ed in NY Times saying that Goldman insiders referred to their clients as 'Muppets'

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:00 | 2294536 sunaJ
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It is a pejorative term Goldman Sachs allegedly uses on internal communciations (and in fraternal conversations) to describe their clients.  Muppets are you and me, or those whose existential purpose is to be fleeced by those much smarter and powerful than us.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:10 | 2294995 akak
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I prefer the phrase "boiled frogs" myself.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:48 | 2294225 cherry picker
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I see what has happened to the good old USA in my lifetime.  My son, an American, says, "so what, I have nothing to hide".

They have trained him well and he doesn't realize what a gift a right to privacy and freedom is because he has never experienced it.  I have experienced freedom and still do as I do not live under Uncle Sam's "protective" shield.

I suppose for most Americans, ignorance is bliss.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:01 | 2294275 CH1
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I suppose for most Americans, ignorance is bliss.

Yes, until it isn't.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:58 | 2294524 12ToothAssassin
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"So what, I have nothing to hide" is my favorite argument!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:26 | 2294648 NuckingFuts
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I hear that too. My response is usually
" you might not, but I do so STFU! "

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 16:15 | 2301688 12ToothAssassin
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or "What if someone else decides that you actually do have something to hide?"

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:59 | 2294525 Sir Edge
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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:04 | 2294279 brewing
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Beginning 4/1/2012, cell phone providers are required to broadcast WEA alerts to all cell phones.  You can opt out of amber and weather alerts, but not presidential alerts...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:41 | 2294427 RafterManFMJ
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Hey, It's a text from Obama!

"Fellow Citizen! You have been targeted for elimination by drone attack. Please go stand in an open field or parking lot."

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:51 | 2294487 narapoiddyslexia
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Obama is nothing if not neat.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:24 | 2295482 mick_richfield
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You serious?  Have you ever seen him try to use a sand wedge?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:09 | 2294576 Uncle Remus
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You can opt out of amber and weather alerts, but not chancellor alerts...

Fixed it.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:47 | 2294753 sun tzu
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You mean Fuhrer Directives

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:54 | 2294963 krispkritter
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Alert: Hot and shitty with a chance of drones. Prepare to appear on a milk carton...that is all...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:13 | 2294589 centerline
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My wife says the same thing.  She simply does not understand the potential negative consequences.

I guess, as a society, we are doomed to repeat history over and over - each time with a new twist - but always the same underlying principles at play.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:46 | 2294745 earleflorida
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"Follow your Bliss" -- Joseph Campbell 

Don't be confused about ignorance -- as in time, all truths, prove to be false when written by history's curators doling a prejudiced myopic vision, whilst the fools eyes remain open to all -- judging naught?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 20:01 | 2296024 Charles Bishop ...
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 My condolences.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:48 | 2294226 Gully Foyle
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You all perceive this as a new developement. The fact is "they" are just more open.

What sheltered lives you must have lead to never see the police state which surrounded you and the inequalities due to either access or social status.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:17 | 2294603 centerline
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Amazes me how few people see it. What is more amazing is how you can show them.... overwelm them with indisputable facts and historical examples... only to be deemed a doomer or a nut. Normalcy bias is a bitch for sure. It sure has opened my eyes to how Nazi Germany came to be.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:32 | 2294675 tgmur10
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Yup they sure do.......   Guess I'm a doomer!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:32 | 2294676 Forward History
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Yep. I once made the mistake over on of comparing our present-day America to Germany circa 1937 or so. I was called a nut and insane. I guess some people have to see the armbands before they acknowledge fact.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:42 | 2294729 tarsubil
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Nah, they have to see people start collapsing from the gas to realize it isn't a delousing agent.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:36 | 2294677 Forward History
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Excuse the accidental double-post.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:54 | 2294768 poor fella
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Haven't heard much from Naomi Wolf lately (The End of America is a must-watch if you haven't seen it - "It's just like in Germany".

Eric Townsend speaking with Puplava was thinking about Nazi Germany and decided it was due to people (smart, hard-working people no doubt) that 'had' freedom, liberty, and wealth, but lost it ( You'll clo anything to bring back the good times. Erik mentions talking to another person about the reasons NOT to leave the U.S. - and the response was that maybe America becomes so ugly, that the only safe place for Americans is HERE within the empire that's doing terrible things around the world. Resource wars? (His reasons FOR leaving is that people don't think there's a problem!)

The Dems and Repubs are same-team. I could see in the not too distant future, once the apparatus is set up by Obama (including the NSAs project and countless drone flights) - in walks Jeb or Jenna Bush to take the reins of a REAL fascist empire. A do-or-die system of complete authoritarian control. Might sound like fiction now... Hope it stays the paranoid rantings of 'some nameless dude on the internets'..

disclosure - I'm long triple-leveraged-kale and 2k calories/day.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 18:06 | 2295797 r00t61
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My reason for not leaving America? 

Amendment No. 2.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 20:05 | 2296031 Charles Bishop ...
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 Unless your name is "NEO', you don't have enough throw-weight to make any serious impression on the proctors.



Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:49 | 2294232 slewie the pi-rat
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nothing new here

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:50 | 2294234 Normalcy Bias
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It isn't just California that's doing this sort of tax shakedown, and it's only going to get worse as budgets sink further into the red...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:20 | 2294623 centerline
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Yup.  And I would not be surprised to see additional fees creeping in where you really can't work around them... via power bill, phone bill, auto tags, etc.  Best prepare for it.  It is coming and it is geared to wipe out the middle class.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:10 | 2294817 sun tzu
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Many local governments are talking about having bicycle riders pay tolls and register their bikes and require a license to operate one. This is nothing more than another tax under the guise of safety. Anyone who refuses to become a slave to the oligarchs is demonized by the lamestream media, statists, and government as a terrorist

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:14 | 2295011 nowhereman
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It's called a consumption sales tax, we have it here in Canada.  Add 15% to all your utilities, your maintenance costs, your home price, alcohol, cigarettes, candy, fast food, Walmart purchases, electronics, appliances, everything.  And they can raise the tax on a whim

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:51 | 2294239 rehypothecator
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I lived in CA in the past, and got a tax due notice from them a few years ago, some 10 years after leaving.  I wrote am impolite, but not quite profane, letter explaining why I left CA and that they could go to hell.  I subsequently received a notice of "account paid in full" from them.  Haven't heard back, and that was years ago.  Apparently I had a mortgage through B of A, which had a business address in CA, and CA thought I owned property at the address of B of A.  No, I don't own B of A.  They figured this out by themselves, if you can imagine it.  If it happens again my letter to them will be profane.  I am doing my best to never set foot in that state ever again.  Should they ever slide into the Pacific ocean, that might be the best way to extinguish their utterly unpayable debt. 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:03 | 2294547 Zenseless
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Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see Armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:19 | 2294618 seabiscuit
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What a tool.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:39 | 2294714 iDealMeat
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It's not the state. Its the people.. Learn the rules and both sides of the policy pushers so you can play outside them..

The most effective vote of no confidence you can do is cut your consumption in 1/2.. 


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:11 | 2294829 sun tzu
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Most people have already cut their consumption as much as they can. It's not like the middle class is awash in money these days. 

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:26 | 2294890 iDealMeat
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Bullshit..  They could do without 4 TeeVee's / household.. and Cutting one of their 3 cars saves close to 10K / yr considering registration, insurance, maint, etc..

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:00 | 2294976 nowhereman
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Yeah, and that also explains the proliferation of iPads out there.

It ain't going to end until people wake up to the fact that the latest "must have" is equivalent to an ankle chain.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:52 | 2294244 fuu
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Some day this war will end.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:57 | 2294259 cossack55
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Only the dead have seen the end of war

                                     George Santayana

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:48 | 2294262 Money 4 Nothing
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Tierney hasn't even gone into Tard mode yet, more to come, stay alert.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:00 | 2294272 IAmNotMark
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I suppose you like the smell of napalm in the morning

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:19 | 2294337 fuu
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It does smell like victory.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2294517 pods
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Charlie don't surf!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:26 | 2294647 Uncle Remus
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Romeo Foxtrot, shall we dance.

daah dah dah daaah dah, daah dah dah daaaah dah

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:39 | 2294715 SemperFord
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Great, now I have to watch Apocalypse Now again, thanks...

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:54 | 2294252 Frank N. Beans
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welcome to the Fascist States of America

run by the corporatocracy

for the corporatocracy

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:13 | 2294284 Chupacabra-322
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@ Frank N. Beans,

National Security is deception/Illusion to hide the fact that we are Slaves of the Coporate Banking Global Elite. They have set up a Police State to protect THE UNITED STATES CORPORATION. Ever wonder why your name is in CAPITAL letters on your birth certificate. Yes, unknowingly we've all been given away at birth to debt bondage and slavery to a "strawman". Research it.


It is not the duty of the police to protect you. Their job is to protect the Corporation and arrest code breakers. Sapp v. Tallahasee, 348 So. 2nd. 363, Reiff v. City of Philadelphia, 477 F.Supp. 1262, Lynch v. N.C. Dept of Justice 376 S.E. 2nd. 247.


The FCC, CIA, FBI, NASA and all of the other alphabet gangs were never part of the United States government. Even though the “US Government” held shares of stock in the various Agencies. (U.S. V. Strang , 254 US 491, Lewis v. US, 680 F.2d, 1239)

Social Security Numbers are issued by the UN through the IMF. The Application for a Social Security Number is the SS5 form. The Department of the Treasury (IMF) issues the SS5 not the Social Security Administration. The new SS5 forms do not state who or what publishes them, the earlier SS5 forms state that they are Department of the Treasury forms. You can get a copy of the SS5 you filled out by sending form SSA-L996 to the SS Administration. (20 CFR chapter 111, subpart B 422.103 (b) (2) (2) Read the cites above)

The IRS is not a U.S. Government Agency. It is an Agency of the IMF. (Diversified Metal Products v. IRS et al. CV-93-405E-EJE U.S.D.C.D.I., Public Law 94-564, Senate Report 94-1148 pg. 5967, Reorganization Plan No. 26, Public Law 102-391.)

The IMF is an Agency of the UN. (Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. Pg. 816)

The U.S. Treasury is now the IMF. (Presidential Documents Volume 29-No.4 pg. 113, 22 U.S.C. 285-288)

And finally,

There are no Judicial courts in America and there has not been since 1789. Judges do not enforce Statutes and Codes. Executive Administrators enforce Statutes and Codes. (FRC v. GE 281 US 464, Keller v. PE 261 US 428, 1 Stat. 138-178)

When they ask you “how do you plea?” they are attempting to CONTRACT with your LEGAL FICTION,STRAWMAN,ALL CAPS NAME VERSION OF YOU. From my research some people have been successful with “I don’t plea, wish to contract.”I demand common law jurisdiction, I waive all benefits.” Don’t let them plea for you, they cant, only you or you representative can. All courts are CONTRACT COURTS, AND JUDGES ARE EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE CORPORATION,NOT JUDGES.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:48 | 2294472 Abitdodgie
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Chupacabra-322   All that is true but see how it works out for you now doing that, this country has gone to far they dont care anymore you are just a slave.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:51 | 2294486 Grinder74
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Dude, what are you smoking?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:16 | 2294598 pods
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Haven't looked through that doorway, er, rabbit hole?

If you want to sleep at night, don't.  Just call him a kook and be happy.

ex.  When asked for a plea in court, you are being offered a contract to waive your natural rights for the privileges afforded by our blended law/equity courtrooms.

You not only plead to the charges, you accept the conditions (statutes).


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:05 | 2294984 Citxmech
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Er, you're subject to laws of a jurisdiction by your presence or conduct within that jurisdiction.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:44 | 2295092 pods
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Laws?  You mean statutes? Codes?

You are subject to the statutes if you contract to be subject to the statutes.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 19:03 | 2295922 Citxmech
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Try defending yourself from an accusation of violating a law, statue, or code by saying you weren't a party to the contract.   That won't end well.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:27 | 2294653 Citxmech
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That "all caps" thing is total bullshit.  The practice of using all caps for names in court cases stems from the typewriters used in the old days - there was no bold or italics, so they used ALL CAPS to signify BOLD and underlining to signify italics.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:28 | 2294656 centerline
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I have seen alot of chatter over the last few years about all of this.  Including talk about equity, equitable estate, maxims of equity, etc.  Common law versus civil law.

I have to admit that most of it over my head - and so far the posts I have seen never really put in lay terms - by example or otherwise - when and how one exercises such things without getting thrown into a deep, dark hole.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:55 | 2295125 pods
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I have also looked into this quite alot.  The all caps thing I have not fully accepted, but I accept as fact that we have blended law with equity in the courts of the USA.

As to staying out of a dark hole with bubba, that would be really difficult.  You cannot even speak with a lawyer about it, as they are part of the court system through the BAR.  So all your information must be gleaned by others and old cases, etc.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:59 | 2294790 tarsubil
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Oh whatever! Next you'll tell me the UN appointed an IMF agent to control the Ivory Coast through the use of attack helicopters and tanks. Preposterous!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:56 | 2294256 Money 4 Nothing
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And this doesn't stop till America is torn asunder. Were in a land of Lawlessness so says the NDAA, Remember what it stated... "Battlefeild" when in Rome, just a heads up.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 10:58 | 2294263 Jean
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This happened to me decades ago, I thought it was an isolated paperwork screw-up. 

I lawyered up immeadiately, so don't have the detail at hand, but the basics were the same:  I obtained a professional license in CA and liability insurance in advance of a planned office move, move never happened - never did business there - let them drop, then recieved a dunning letter for a 20K tax assessment followed by a notice of lien (not an actual lein) to my bank.  It was all run by some debt collector masquerading as a law firm.  My lawyer made it go away, but lacking a lawyer would have been hell to deal with.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:00 | 2294268 Sudden Debt
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Anything a tax less than 100% IS TAXABLE!!!


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:01 | 2294273 Abiotic Oil
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Let's distill this down to absolute simplicity.

If one does not pay one's taxes, men with guns will come to one's house.

One can then choose a course of active resistance or passive compliance.

The former will most likely result in death(s).

The latter will most likely result in a complete confiscation of any physical wealth accrued with probability of incarceration.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:09 | 2294298 Seasmoke
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it might come down to , if you take down 2 or more before they take you down....YOU WIN

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:28 | 2294661 Uncle Remus
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Wait - we're keeping score? Cool.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:56 | 2294775 Red Heeler
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That's my ratio.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 16:52 | 2295607 RallyRoundTheFamily
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Been running this scenario in my head for awhile.

But I am probably too big of a pussy to make the correct decision

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 17:30 | 2295702 Pchelar
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“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
? Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 10:42 | 2297182 RallyRoundTheFamily
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They chose incorrectly

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:23 | 2294340 chipshot
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ZH is doing something right ...take note of the sudden influx of pro police state lackeys and strawmen...we are being watched....

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:20 | 2295216 Colonial Intent
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Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2294503 Abitdodgie
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"If one does not pay one's taxes, men with guns will come to one's house." This idea works out for them just peachy so who is going to get the ball rolling and be the first to say no , and then point a gun at them and see what happens I can tell you one thing that NONE of your freinds will come to help .

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:07 | 2294552 Abiotic Oil
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It's been done a bunch of times already.  2 famous ones that come to mind are Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Both raids were initiated over non-payment of taxes to ATF.  Ruby Ridge was over too short of a shotgun barrel (justification for Lon Horiuchi to shoot Mrs. Weaver in the head while holding her baby) and Waco where, the very whacky but peaceful, Branch Davidians were raided because a neighbor "thought" he heard automatic weapons fire, and again the ATF wanted their tax money.  Lon Horiuchi was there too by the way.  And for those who ate up the propaganda, no the Davidians were not molesting children as Janet Reno said.

Both raids resulted in dead feds.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:19 | 2294612 AgShaman
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Joe Stack....and his airplane

Birth of the American Kamikaze....

....from the loins of the US Tax Beast

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:59 | 2294789 Incubus
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"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed."

-Joseph Stack

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:16 | 2294851 sun tzu
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Jo Stack is an idiot. He's talking about crony capitalism.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:19 | 2295211 Colonial Intent
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Capitalism: the higher your morals are the lower your income will be.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:12 | 2294832 acetinker
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Look up "DeKalb County Chicken Man".  Very Joe Stackian.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 13:40 | 2294932 Bawneee Fwank
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Home of Roswell ‘chicken man’ facing eviction explodes


Remember the Chicken Man!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:04 | 2294277 William113
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I love how you put in brown nosing Repubicans. When will you people wake up it doesn't matter what party they come from. The people that run the regaluartory offices are "best friends' with the people that run the FED. And the FED runs everything. Control the money and you control it all.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:08 | 2294293 Seasmoke
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they cant get anything, if you dont own anything in your name......and stay 3 steps ahead of them at all times

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:33 | 2294375 nowhereman
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Exactly. +1000.  

I remember telling my ex-father-in-law, a wealthy insurance agent, that you don't own your "stuff", your "stuff" owns you.

I said, "just stop paying your taxes, and you'll find out who really owns your house."

He looked at me quisically when I told him that even though he had enough money to provide for a good retirement lifestyle, he would need to keep working just to be able to maintain his "stuff".

That my friends is the illusion we all suffer from, we all believe the marketers version of reality. consume, consume, consume.  And the truism that you can't take it with you when you die is paramount.  And if you think you are doing your kids a favor by passing it on to them, think twice.  You're just passing off the burden and making them instant servants to the continuing maintenance of your "stuff", thereby sealing their fate as "muppets" for the pleasure of the banks and their state run enablers.



Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:14 | 2294571 Incubus
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"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything."


Come on man--understand the philosophy behind Fight Club. Read the book. 


It's all about perspective.  


“The liberator who destroys my property is fighting to save my spirit. The teacher who clears all possessions from my path will set me free."




Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:25 | 2294646 Willzyx
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Good luck placing a lien on the PM stash buried in the back yard

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:08 | 2294294 writingsonthewall
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It's fascism Jim - but not as the MSM know it....

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:10 | 2294299 ZackAttack
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The IRS has infinite power to screw your life over.

I have fought with them twice. Both times I was absolutely, demonstrably in the right. Each time, auditors agreed with me and agreed to "look into it" for me.

Once the beast turns on you, though, it seems beyond the power of any one individual to call it off. By the end, you will be ready to pay just to make the pain stop.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:10 | 2294304 dufferin
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when you have :

- no more rights, or having them but their exercise being denied is the same, 

- the fruit of your work taken away,

- force to achieve the above...


You are legally a Slave.


Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:11 | 2294307 BLOTTO
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1984 meets Lord of the Flies...meets Brave New World...meets Hunger Games...

with Zombies & Vampires

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:12 | 2294312 PaperBear
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If California is f**ked up then it is up to the people of California to damn well fix it.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:14 | 2294314 Northeaster
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"Republicans have made ceaseless efforts to gut any agencies still clinging to an interest in prosecuting financial crimes"

Yes, because Republicans did it all by themselves right?

Like the poster above, it's both sides of the aisle that allow this to happen. It's not what politicians say, it's what they do, and whether it be by open vote or by "voice vote", the results are right in front of you, and BOTH Party's are to blame.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:37 | 2295280 Colonial Intent
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"corrupt politicians have made ceaseless efforts to gut any agencies still clinging to an interest in prosecuting financial crimes"


Both the quote and the political system.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:15 | 2294317 NumberNone
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It's only going to get worse as the beast feels hunger pains.  Public servants now see the public as servants.  With the law behind them and virtually unlimited funding to back up their legal attacks they are fearless.  What is their incentive to ever stop the money grabs?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:42 | 2294435 Global Hunter
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a: default and systematic collapse

b: war

c: death

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:15 | 2294318 Chupacabra-322
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A little tid bit of facts to my above post for one to look up and verify. Most of us are contracted with Wash D.C via our birth certificate (straw man) (All capital letterd "TRADE NAME" as is on your driver's license). Most are then considered "vessels" under admiralty law, and also a prize in war (war was officially declared against American citizens by the United States Government under FDR in the Amendatory Act of March 9, 1933 (a/k/a Emergency Banking Relief Act) to the Trading With the Enemy Act of October 6, 1917. Prize on land is called "booty" ie: government fines, confiscation, fees, taxes, etc.

It is my opinion that the word "Sovereign" should be stricken from ones vocabulary. Many LE agencies deem this movement as possibly being extremely dangerous and you may be subject to harsh treatment if you refer to yourself as a sovereign. Our approach to free the chains is more polished and backed by true common law.

You should refer to yourself by your givin name and your family or surname as is the case with your passport. In short, you are only a representitive, agent, authorized signor, etc. for the person named on the birth certificate.

Even though your passport refers to your givin name and surname, it's the manner in which you completed your application for the passport that contracts you to the Washington, D.C. de facto chains. All these contracts such as passport, SS, driver's license, voting reg., hunting license, bank signature cards, etc. needs to be changed in order to release these chains.

Look at one of your personal checks. Notice at the end of the signature line there is the letters "MP". This stands for micro print and if you were to take a high power magnifying glass or microscope, you would see how your signature is qualified. The fiction person as specified on your birth certificate can't legally authorize monetary payments.

It will also take some pretty hard core studying to become verse in common law. One can get into real trouble by saying the wrong words as well as answering questions in the wrong manner. Law is all words and words have definitions and these definitions for words in law may not have the same meaning as the very same words used in everyday common speak. This is all by design in order for this Ponzi schemed de facto government to buffalo us, the people, into submission. It's really that simple.

Remember, congress suspended the constitution in 1871 and Washington D.C. is domiciled in the 10 square miles in Md. and VA. and was then deemed under a de facto government. Look up the definition of United States in law books and it will specify that the United States is domiciled in Wash. D.C. The State of CA, TX, MI, etc. are also domiciled in Wash. D.C., County of Orange, Wayne, Los Angeles, etc. are domiciled in Wash. D.C. as opposed to the Republic of CA or the Rep. of TX, etc. which are the free physical dirt not ruled under this de facto scenario.




Tue, 03/27/2012 - 15:15 | 2295200 Colonial Intent
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"You should refer to yourself by your given name and your family or surname as is the case with your passport. In short, you are only a representitive, agent, authorized signor, etc. for the person named on the birth certificat"


In the UK they go nuts when you do that in court, then they threaten you (in private chambers), then they try to bankrupt you, then they drop the case:-)

Wed, 03/28/2012 - 00:24 | 2296421 New World Chaos
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Just looked at my check.  There was the MP, and underneath, the signature line turned out to be micro-printed "AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE", repeated over and over.  So I guess somewhere else they defined "AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE" as "I hereby sell my soul to the Rothschilds". 

What I don't understand is how people think that the judges are computers that little people can "hack" by speaking the right words to them, and if they come down on you 10x harder for knowing your rights, then it's because you subtly screwed up the magic words because you didn't waste enough years of your life on arcane study of the magic words.  The truth is that the judges are as corrupt as everyone else in the system and all this talk about laws is just a big psyops to keep the peasants from revolting.  The law is whatever the puppetmasters want it to be for your particular case.  No judge will ever be punished for trampling your common-law rights.  Therefore, the only remaining law is the law of the jungle.  Hedge with various metals.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:19 | 2294333 TradingJoe
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Whatever happens, it will be extremley violent and bloody! TO ALL! Not just the poor!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:25 | 2294347 Chupacabra-322
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o        Obama really is the president of THE UNITED STATES and not the president of these united states because THE UNITED STATES is a corporation that doesn’t need the constitution. Everything is run by administrative law courts, which are based on the universal commercial code (U.C.C). Everything is commerce to these pirates; yes pirates! Even you whoever you are a corporate fiction in their eyes. Ever notice that every transaction you engage in has your name printed in capitals letters, that is not you the flesh and blood human being, it is your corporate fiction, the straw man that was initiated at your birth with the birth certificate. A bond was created and bundled with thousands of others born around the same date as you and are traded on the open market. Every official interaction with government opportune to create more bonds. Do you get it! WE literally have been born into bondage. Only a colossal meltdown of the system can remedy this. Fight the good fight!

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 12:09 | 2294577 12ToothAssassin
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Any links you can suggest to read more about this?

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 14:51 | 2295112 Colonial Intent
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World citizen passport, get yours now!

Thu, 03/29/2012 - 13:58 | 2301242 12ToothAssassin
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Thank you Chupa

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 11:27 | 2294354 Catullus
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The paying for society myth becomes more discredited everyday. You should collect all of these stories and list them on the Internet. As more people get trapped by this, they're going to need to see the full picture of what's happening to them. It's sad that people only wake up to it as they're getting lives destroyed.

There's a lot of value in just listing the train of abuses.

Tue, 03/27/2012 - 17:45 | 2295738 R. Giskard
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"On Monday at 10:45 a.m. Marshalls arrived at the home. After a two hour standoff,  Wordes advised the Marshalls that they needed to immediately leave the property.  That’s when the explosion happened. "

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