Guest Post: "Whatever It Takes"

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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:47 | 1501476 pton09
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This clown voted for Obama and now he tries to act like an econ guru?

Why post his shit all the time?  Schiff, Rogers, Faber etc are far superior but they don't get much air time and this yuppy loser does? 

Nothing insightful

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:11 | 1501533 wang (not verified)
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"Why do you post this shit all the time?"


nice knowing you pton09 - I suspect a Pton torpedo is headed towards your ZH account - it's not nice to be critical of your host in mixed company - if you don't like the content send Tyler an email but don't call him out after all this is the fight club and he makes the rules

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:35 | 1501609 Fukushima Sam
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It's okay to call Tyler out.  Like you said, it is fight club.  Tyler needs to punch and be punched like the rest of us.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:25 | 1501756 TSA Thug
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Guest Posters are not Tylers. The whole paradigm changed. Guests are now considered Cornelius(non commercial) and Travus(commercial snake-oil sales) not Tylers so they are fair game.

Insult the Tyler and you will get a real pat down.(snaps his blue examination gloves and grins).

If you have been paying attention, the website is changing. Where is Marla? Beware space monkey's the book ended by the narrator's elimination of Tyler, allowing him to decide for himself how to determine his freedom.


--You WILL Obey!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:09 | 1501896 Rodent Freikorps
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Don't you just hate when you are getting cavity searched and you notice a hand on each hip?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:39 | 1501973 eureka
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RE  "If you are worth $100 million what are you going to do when you see this..." - AND -

RE  "getting cavity searched"

If you are worth $100 million, are you reading zerohedge? - and or posting comments on zerohedge?

If zerohedge is a "club"/community, it is, based on op and down arrow clicks, as evenly split and splintered and thus as helpless and cavernous as the rest of US society to do anything but observe from an already stiffened position - wherefore it hurts when the humiliating poke comes - which could all be avoided by simply taking a hammer to the non-melting-pot conglomerate, separating it into a number of independent nation states, each based on its own particular financial ideology - however, that might be too much freedom to handle and too much real examination of each ideology's inner capacity.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:21 | 1501744 Enceladus
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Submitted by Mike Krieger of KAM LP


He wasn't calling Tyler out...

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:32 | 1501956 wang (not verified)
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I believe that the point of Ptons comment was that Krieger's article should not even see the light of day on the ZH site - and that is tantamount to calling out the editor.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:19 | 1501563 DogSlime
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"This clown voted for Obama and now he tries to act like an econ guru?"

Ermmm... so by your logic if someone voted for Obama then any economic opinion they have is invalid?

Obama has certainly turned out to be piss-weak, but would McCain have been any better at this stage?

Seems like almost every politician these days is a shower of shit.  Would you therefore only respect someone's opinion if they refused to vote?




Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:29 | 1501593 XenoFrog
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"if someone voted for Obama then any economic opinion they have is invalid?"

Not necessarily but it is a huge red flag that they're probably a keynsian douchebag.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:38 | 1501618 MobBarley
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Awww I voted for Obama out of White Guilt and fear of that crazy guy they ran against him.

I'd be a tea partier if I wasn't so incredibly cynical about everything now.

I was telling everyone I could back in 2004 that Bush and Greenspan where going on a

crazy bank loan/housing inflation spree to falsely inflate a dying economy

and that the results would end badly, and that it served the NWO plan

to administrate an economically poor and divided world. Poor people

can be beaten (and killed) by police without fear of reprisal or outcry.


I think this is a setup to allow Obama to invoke Amendment 14 so

he can print free money and allow foodstamp to purchase Liquor

and Cigarettes and Pampers and Flavour Red Kool Aid.



Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:05 | 1501703 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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No purple-drank and waddymellons?  He's such an uncle tom sell-out.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:39 | 1501619 DogSlime
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I would say possibly a keynsian douchebag.

Obama got a lot of mileage out of Bush's unpopularity.  The bailouts happened on Bush's watch (but would have happened under Obama too) and the Iraq stuff had pissed a lot of people off.

I don't believe everyone who voted for Obama did so because they were in agreement with his economic opinions.  Come to think of it, did he really make his position properly clear on where he stood regarding the economy before he was elected?  Shit... aside from the healthcare thing, did he make his position clear on anything?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:56 | 1501858 WallStreetClass...'s picture

Oh, just STFU. So, by this logic, if you voted for the senile McCain and the trig-retarded Alaskan inbred, you have a valid economic opinion? Some of you people are so fukin stupid, I literally want to punch the stupidity out of you. Shyte!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:34 | 1501600 Manthong
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"if someone voted for Obama then any economic opinion they have is invalid?"



Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:41 | 1501628 MobBarley
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You do know that many Republican CEO's voted for Obama?


It happened at Bohemian Grove, where your next President (Michelle Bachmann) is chosen for you.


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:52 | 1501666 pan-the-ist
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Funniest thing I've read all day.  I'm not sure what the Joke was, but Bachmann is always the punchline.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:07 | 1501711 ZeroAffect
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So, according to you, Michelle Bachmann has her Grove on? Got any back-up info then let's see it.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:15 | 1502081 Manthong
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Obama qualifications


1.    Very, very thin political resume

2.    Beneficiary of public largesse for education

3.    Never had an executive job in the private sector

4.    Advocated for sub-sub-prime home buyers

5.    Advocated for skyrocketing electricity prices via synthetic bankster market

6.    Close friend of Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright

7.    Friend and associate of Bill “I Didn’t Bomb Enough” Ayers

8.    Muslim British Colonial Subject Alcoholic Killer father

9.    Known “Community Organizer”

WTF else do you do need to invalidate the judgment of some people?

I don’t like McCain at all but he was the lesser of two evils.

At least with McCain we would not have gotten Obamacare and likely a little less debt.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:36 | 1501611 el Gallinazo
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Obama was a briliant move on the part of the bankstas.  Particularly his half black ethnic heritage.  McCann would have never gotten half this shit through Congress that Obama did.  There are still some well meaning prgressives that haven't figured out that he is a fascist crony corporatist in sheep's clothes.  Whichever mainstream candidate one votes for president is irrelevnt.  You think the Owners are careless enough not to keep all their bases covered?  Look at the shithead caviar socialists in Europe: G Pap, Blair, Socretes, Zapatero, etc.  All bought and paid for by the Owners.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:21 | 1501742 gorillaonyourback
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very well said,,,,,,its sad more people dont see through all this shit,  all one has to do is look at argentina, greece, ireland, and a plethora of other examples past present and to come.  it is so fuckin sad that it has come to this, america will fall too.  only hope is our population has enough balls to fight for this country in the spirit of Andrew Jackson.  Andrew Jackson was by no means perfect but he did do one thing right.   "Rout you out, i will, you International Mother Fuckers"  that was a direct quote,,,,,,,,,right?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:01 | 1501874 WallStreetClass...'s picture

woot! up vote

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:09 | 1501716 macholatte
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....but would McCain have been any better ...


and there you have it.

Garbage from the left and garbage from the right is still garbage.


"We are not content with negative obedience, nor even with the most abject submission. When finally you surrender to us, it must be of your own free will. We do not destroy the heretic because he resists us; so long as he resists us we never destroy him. We convert him, we capture his inner mind, we reshape him. We burn all evil and all illusion out of him; we bring him over to our side, not in appearance, but genuinely, heart and soul. We make him one of ourselves before we kill him. It is intolerable to us that an erroneous thought should exist anywhere in the world, however secret and powerless it may be. Even in the instance of death we cannot permit any deviation . . . we make the brain perfect before we blow it out."

-- George Orwell "1984"


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:31 | 1502189 Esso
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"Would you therefore only respect someone's opinion if they refused to vote?"

That's about the size of it.

You don't seriously think that in a country that won't allow you to decide what kind of lightbulb you're going to use, is going to let you decide who runs the country, do you?

A well medicated & dumbed-down populace, being necessary to the security of a Totalitarian State, the right of the sheople to pretend to vote shall not be infringed.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:57 | 1501678 Sophist Economicus
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"This is the last time you will hear from me for a while"

This is the best news I heard all day! 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 16:30 | 1502137 RockyRacoon
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Lemme see if I get what Mike says above....   He accuses the SEC of possibly actually doing its job, and that's a bad thing?   Hedge funds might get some scrutiny -- oh, no!   My view:  Either make the SEC do what it's supposed to do or dissolve the thing.   If there is to be regulation, let it be fair, honest, and across the board, not the haphazard hodge-podge of gotcha regulation that has been the SEC's history.   Soros is hated and is driven from the hedge fund world, but... but... er, is that bad, or good?   I'm confused.   Oh!  I see.   Driving Soros out is OK, but driving Mike out is bad.   Somewhere there has to be some sanity.   Mike can't pick and choose the winners/losers.   That is exactly what the Fed has been accused of.   Come on!

Having absolutely no dog in the fight, I don't own even one paper "asset" other than the fiat currency in my pocket, I could really care less.   It's just the convoluted logic and warped values that prompt me to write (the author's as well as my own).

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:13 | 1501726 gorillaonyourback
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nice dumbass comment, if anything critisize the guy for not understanding that there is no difference between elected democrats and republicans.  You are the problem within this fascist country, you bitch but have nuthin of value to say, only attacking your fellow financial slave.

wake up retard, this country is walking straight into a new world order where you will be controlled by the elite in this world, they will parade around so called dem and repubs with the sole purpose of keeping you fighting against each other over bullshit.


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:58 | 1501863 WallStreetClass...'s picture

right on dude, up vote. These left/right idiots is WHY we are this fkin situation in the first place.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:49 | 1501480 KingdomKum
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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:49 | 1501482 traderjoe
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The entire debt-celing debate is to scare the American sheeple further into debt-slavery. 

Sovereign governments do NOT have to borrow money. See the United States Note - the longest running paper currency of our nation - that is issued directly from the Treasury without debt and without interest. I haven't heard a single pundit on the MSM advocate a default and a replacement of the FRN. Every single one of them wish for, pray for a compromise that leaves our debt intact. 

The debt is odious. The national interest is the grift, and debt-slavery of the people is the goal.

The people must repudiate. 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:59 | 1501508 Spastica Rex
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Grifterment of the banks, by the banks, for the banks.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:40 | 1501795 MachoMan
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Be careful what you wish for...  while repudiation is a reasonable alternative, the power needed for repudiation will not likely be given up without a fight...  and, presently, giving any additional powers to people who have proven time and again they they should be given no power...  is a dangerous thing and should be approached with the utmost of caution.


Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:11 | 1501536 DosZap
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Dead on, my argument for a long time.

Why pay for something we can do for little to nothing?.

Kennedy did this on his own, and it got him dead.Maybe that's the reason...........we do not hear more about it.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:45 | 1501780 Manthong
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Silver was more volatile than anybody had imagined.


Oswald could have used silver bullets to better make the point.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:13 | 1501538 DosZap
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Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:14 | 1501547 Spirit Of Truth
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What we need is some good ol' fashioned pitchforks and torches protests on Wall Street. Then fire the banksters:

And repudiate the debt:

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:24 | 1501579 baby_BLYTHE
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We can start by canceling our $1.6 trillion the FED owns by Simply giving them the finger and walking away.

If this bankrupts them or motivates Ben to violently draw down the money supply to intentionally cause a Depression (Like Nicholas Biddle did when Andrew Jackson vetoed the extension of the Second Bank's charter), so be it.

Life in American will be better without a Central Bank

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:37 | 1501616 slewie the pi-rat
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hey, b_B!

We can start by canceling our $1.6 trillion the FED owns by Simply giving them the finger and walking away.

i keep hoping we'll some details of how this action might proceed.  none yet?  [i'm keeping my fingerZ flexed!]

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:40 | 1501626 Silver Dreamer
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What is this, kindergarten?  The plan is simple.  We tell them to fuck off and stop making the interest payments.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 15:11 | 1501906 slewie the pi-rat
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no.  your kindergarten class is across the hall.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:55 | 1501844 Spirit Of Truth
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Seems to be the world is run amok w/Nicholas Biddles in this day and age:

Max Keiser has offered a solution:

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:27 | 1501766 newbee
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" Federal Reserve Notes are backed by the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, which serve as collateral under Federal Reserve Act Section 16. These assets are generally Treasuries which have been purchased by the Federal Reserve through its Federal Open Market Committee in a process called monetizing the debt. "

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:36 | 1501785 SRV - ES339
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I thought Sarah said we should refudiate?

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 14:43 | 1501810 Mad Cow
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Thanks traderjoe! Well said. This should be discussion #1 on ZH.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 12:49 | 1501487 TSA Thug
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Maybe the "Guest" posts should show a little more respect for the very mechanics that finance their or their family members lifestyle.

In other words: live by the sword, die by the sword but do NOT insult the sword.


--You WILL Obey!

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:01 | 1501494 TruthInSunshine
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I had a dream last night that blends into this article.

Some may find it impossible, but I can't help that.


What if a credit rating default was being initiated intentionally, bitchez?

In other words, what if The Bernank really does believe a hike in rates is warranted to stem off building inflationary pressures, and the incumbent politicians desperately want to see inflation tamped down heading into the 2012 Election?

Despite criticism from the likes of Paul 'Let's Build A Money Hole, As A Shovel Ready Project, And Stuff It Full of Money' Krugman & William 'iPad2s are delicious and nutritious' Dudley, The Bernank has plausible deniability for interest rate hikes brought about by credit downgrades from completely competent (/sarc) credit rating agencies like Standard & Poors.

It's a thought, bitchez.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:21 | 1501569 Thisson
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Not going to happen.  Central banks do not fear inflation; they can solve that in "15 minutes" if it gets too far.  What they fear is deflation, because deflation is the destruction of debt, and debt is their asset and our liability! 

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:23 | 1501576 jomama
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with all the theater around this latest debt ceiling extension, it wouldn't surprise me one bit it's no accident this time.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:35 | 1501606 MassDecep
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Whatever happens, is intentional. That,,you can take to the Bank.

Thu, 07/28/2011 - 13:46 | 1501640 Silver Dreamer
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Any move by the banksters to allow further looting would not surprise me.  Who benefits most from higher interest rates after all, right?

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