Guest Post: When Governments Go Rogue

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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 01:33 | 1937423 SilverIsKing
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People adore Snookie so it makes perfect sense that they'd also like Schumer, Pelosi, Frank, et al.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 01:55 | 1937465 trav7777
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i know a little bit about the government and let me just assuage some of your fears:  the USG is so packed with human shit, that I'm not sure they're much of a threat to do anything but clumsily bomb people.

the gov goes out of its way to hire the weirdest motherfuckers around, diversity, retards, some seriously corked up people, like the type who couldn't get a job anywhere else, then it promotes them.  Sooner or later, collapse of everything is inevitable.

It'll happen before things get too bad, IMO.  It's already creaking under its own weight.  Just take away the power of the purse and shit is OVER.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 02:14 | 1937489 topcallingtroll
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Yeah it is the same way with the post office. Most people have noticed more missing and mixed up mail in the last few years has dramatically increased.

We are slowly being turned into a third world with a suffocating, expensice bureaucracy. Pretty soon bribery and tax evasion will be the norm here just like in other backwards shitholes where no business can be accomolished through legal means, and only the most cynical and corrupt thrive.

We can live with the bottom third feeling alienated which is inevitable in a dynamic free society. We cant survive as a society when ninety percent lose faith and quit caring which is what happens in socialist-bureaucratic nations.

Trying to regulate all the ills of freedom by excessively regulating to level the playing field ends up harming even more people and introduces universal cynicism and malaise. Everyone goes Galt at the margin even if they dont know what going galt means.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:00 | 1937536 ClassicalLib17
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Speaking of the post office, in my town of 90,000+, the kids here go to the post office and take all their express mail and priority mail forms and use the package stickers included with the duplicate form to write their stupid pseudonyms on them and stick them all over our street signs, traffic signal poles, signal boxes, telephone equipment boxes, store windows, etc., etc.  I recently brought this to the attention of our local postmaster and he told me that D.C. hdqtrs won't allow him to put them behind the counter.  They want the customers to have easy access for branding reasons.  I wasn't sure what that meant.  He then told me that UPS informed him that some of their customers were using USPS express mail boxes turned inside out so they could ship with UPS instead.  I have scraped off more than 150 of these express mail stickers from public property thus far.  If the kids are doing this in my town, it has got to be happening all over this country.  Its no wonder they are going bankrupt.  Take a look at the street signs in your community,  if you see something stuck on there, well...

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:08 | 1937557 Max Fischer
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You actually spend time scraping off postal stickers from telephone poles and stuff?  150 of them? 

And then you took the time to talk to the postal supervisor about it?


Not to be rude, but you sorta remind me of a grumpy old dude who chases skateboarding kids around and angrily calls them "whippersnappers."  If I was a kid in your town, I'd cover your house with postal stickers, and then talk to the postmaster about mailing your house to France.  

Right-wing conservatives are so WEIRD!

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:13 | 1937567 ClassicalLib17
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I do it because I am the elected Alderman in my ward, and yes, you hit the nail on the head. I showed our police dept. gang unit officer some of these stickers and he told me that they most likely came from skateboarding kids or tagging crews.  The gangs prefer spray painting their symbols on private property.

Thank you for your reply, Mr Fischer,  CL17 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:33 | 1937578 Max Fischer
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Conservatives are so funny!!!!!!!  

Max Fischer, Civis Mundi

Next time, notify NORAD. 


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:48 | 1937594 ClassicalLib17
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OK whitebread, you are obviously insulated from the problems faced by those of us who live in mid sized urban areas that have, over the years, experienced major demographic changes in the population.  Living in the state of Illinois presents unique challenges to civil order because of many years of elected lawyers who craft our laws for their own benefit. Today, my state is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy, and all property owners are on the hook for past misdeeds.  It is extremely difficult to manage a municipality in an environment where the work force is 90% unionized and their benefits are protected by our state constitution.  Our median household income is 46,500.  City employees average pay is 70,000.  Civis Mundi,  where is the fairness there?  Have you ever experienced a drive by shooting across the street from your residence?  Or a block away? Or a drug dealer that lives in your neighborhood?  Or a rash of daytime breaking and entering in your neighborhood?  I thought so.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:53 | 1937601 Max Fischer
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90% unionized?  Are you in Decatur?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:58 | 1937605 ClassicalLib17
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:56 | 1937603 hardcleareye
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And with all those problems you are going around scraping USPS stickers?  I think you have lost it,,,

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:09 | 1937614 ClassicalLib17
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Please tell me where you live, and I will come visit your community and deface all your public and private property.  As you drive around your once pristine community and view my vandalism, what say you.  I am figuring that you will remain anonymous within your comfortable abode and demand that your council member do something about this. That is my problem,  the community sees nothing and knows nothing, just like you and civis mundi.  If you two are males, you should be ashamed of yourselves.  If you two have wives or girlfriends, I feel sorry for them.  No, I fear for their safety. 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 06:11 | 1937718 yabyum
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Hey You Kids!!! Get off my lawn!!

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 10:21 | 1938206 Big Slick
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"Please tell me where you live, and I will come visit your community and deface all your public and private property. "

CL17 - I followed your point of view until you capitchulated and became the thing you abhor in response to simple questioning by someone with a different POV.

This little example is a great comentary on human naure and a pefect example of the main point of the article.  Government will tend naturally towards pursuit of more power and grow to become the antithesis of its original intent.  


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:22 | 1937626 Incubus
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I wouldn't want to live next to some guy who goes around and scrapes stickers off of stuff with his free time.  Guy's nuts. 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:41 | 1937644 ClassicalLib17
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The taxpayers in my ward pay me 22,000 a year plus benefits for a full time job. 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 08:29 | 1937797 XitSam
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Just to understand, being an alderman is a full time job that pays $22K/year? Or you are paid $22K/year to be an alderman and you turn it into a full time job by scraping stickers?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 18:24 | 1940158 ClassicalLib17
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For most, it's a part time job.  I do it full time because I am no longer employed in the private sector.  The stickers are just something I noticed and decided to care of the problem myself.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:02 | 1938696 prole
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Sweet. I salute you for having a job.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:20 | 1937623 dark pools of soros
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instead of knocking the $70k crew, why not find out why the $46k crew is stagnant.  It seems this arguement always wants to bring down instead of raise the common avg.  Punish the globalization gang that want you to race to match the wages of rice farmers in china - with trillions being thrown around willy nilly you would think $70k should be minimum wage by now

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:26 | 1937629 Michael
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Too bad the Enron debacle didn't happen in todays environment. Enron and Arther Anderson would have both been saved.


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:32 | 1937635 Michael
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Let's just call it what it really is;

Sector Warfare!

Private sector Vs Public sector.

Got it?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:57 | 1937658 Michael
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With all the current distractions, nobody is noticing this really big story. Pardon me for posting;

Paper: 'A climate of fraud. New emails shed light on the global warming racket' -- 'Global warming is more fiction than science'

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 05:15 | 1937678 dark pools of soros
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Mike, your thread-jackin has gone beyond embarrassing. I can't imagine how many viewers start to just drift past your posts like spam in an inbox no matter how good they may or may not be.

A few crazy uncles in attics perhaps rivaled Tesla in their theories but were shut out from any worthy discourse by their improperness  


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 05:45 | 1937685 Michael
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I've been called a legend and other nice things by nice people on this blog for my contributions, even for my incessant input into this blog day and night in the past, generally good feelings. I could add 3 pages to a thread here with just one sentence. You haven't seen this thread jacking master in true form in a while. Take a look at the reruns. Trust me, you don't want to see that again. Not so much these days as I generally like to use ZH for personal musings late into the evening when I'm not bothering too many people. Sometimes my musings appear in headlines and in news articles from time to time. Very flattering.

That being said;

Go fuck yourself.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 05:45 | 1937701 dark pools of soros
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and continue to stay full of yourself

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 06:24 | 1937725 Michael
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One of my major accomplishments. I bet there were no more than 100,000 other people in this country working on this thing with me. The Corbett Report Interview 419 – Marc Morano

Marc Morano should be Ron Paul's Science Tzar.



Fri, 12/02/2011 - 08:47 | 1937824 VelvetHog
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A legend?  Wow.  Who'd a thunk it?  May I dust your pedestal for you?

Sat, 12/03/2011 - 19:04 | 1942464 dark pools of soros
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dont worry, all his alt accounts he uses to vote and praise himself can help him out

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 09:38 | 1937982 Calmyourself
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Crazy or not he is absolutely right.  Post something other than an ad hom, it may be a bit of a jack but takes no time to peruse or ignore so save yourself the effort of saving me, please..

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 05:16 | 1937680 Michael
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Thank the creator for the extended solar minimum, for without it we would not have won.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 10:31 | 1938265 Big Slick
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'Sector warfare' is SPOT ON!

I saw this quote associated with Kyle Bass although I do not know if he is the origin: 

"In financial crises, events can move from impossible to inevitable without ever passing through improbable."

I am convinced we can now remove the qualifier to that sentence.

When in the world did we have the split second to identify the problem with the devolving role of our govt and have the chance to reverse it?  Is it possible now?  Perhaps... perhaps not. 

While we try, I'm acting as if my family and I are islands in the world and taking appropriate steps (PM, food, defense - I'm sure that just go me on to the Dept of Homeland Defense list as a teror!$t)

For those of you doing the same - I've noticed the tendency to take on a sour mood along with this preparation.  I'm convinced that the MOST IMPORTANT activity is keeping a positive point of view.


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:39 | 1937642 ClassicalLib17
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That sounds very nice,dpos,  but why don't you tell me exactly how you would ordain the fair wage that you speak of?  Try to stay within the limits of municipal, county, and state law.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:57 | 1937660 dark pools of soros
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if you are looking for a simple solution, you won't find it.  The simple demise was the conversion of the american dream to the american coma.  To awaken them you would need to show money flow like water and rain so they can see that their local communities are like dustbowls with no wealth at all.  In the past, the locals would circulate their wealth and many would grow it as well. Now with globalization the wealth is in vast unseen basins and the trickle that flows briefly through the communities is like an IV for life support.   That is the path you are preaching instead of waking up the body and getting it to stand on its own feet again.


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 05:15 | 1937674 ClassicalLib17
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Thank you dpos,  As a local official I have no power over the macro economy.  My focus is adjusting to our micro situation.  All municipal employees have to understand this fact.  I am just trying to maintain some equality between our high paid civil servants and our low paid taxpayers. I read zerohedge religiously and e-mail their articles to my colleagues so they understand what is coming down the road.  Unfortunately,  I am beginning to think that our finance director is the only person within the city employ that knows what is coming.  My elected colleagues all seem to believe that the sunshine will return soon.  We live in the state of Illinois, for crying out loud.  I don't know what else I can do to wake up my colleagues.  So, I just do what I can to make my ward as liveable as possible.  Without the luxury of a conceal/carry permit.  I would like to see how some of the members who poked me would respond to the problems I am asked to mediate on a daily basis.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 05:35 | 1937692 dark pools of soros
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take pictures of the walls of the abyss as you fall..  you might earn a Pulitzer or Peabody and dig yourself out

that's what happens when the large companies control all the wealth. There aren't enough people with wealth that give a damn about municpal services anymore. So they will die off, all of it. When the wealth was shared more, at least those people obtained some level of benefit from their taxes paying for the local government. With a small % holding onto the wealth, and perhaps hardly any of them living 1000 miles from your town, why would they care if all the wages drop and subsequently the tax base and thus the services?


Fri, 12/02/2011 - 07:19 | 1937749 pazmaker
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Sometimes you just have to realize that it is time to abandon a sinking ship and move on.....   to a more freedom friendly state and let the pigs wallow in their own feces.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:05 | 1938710 prole
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Newsflash: The 46K crew is stagnant because the 70K(+A) crew's job is stealing increasingly more and more of the 46K crew's shrinking piece of the pie.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:41 | 1937597 i-dog
Fri, 12/02/2011 - 03:49 | 1937600 ClassicalLib17
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My computer couldn't open your link i-dog. 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:14 | 1937617 i-dog
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It wasn't directed at you, but at the troll you were engaging. It seems to have worked on him, so far....

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:11 | 1938739 prole
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ZH humor.....catches you when you least expect it lol........

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 07:26 | 1937750 economics1996
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Fuck off dude.  Pound sand up your ass.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 07:27 | 1937752 economics1996
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Message to MF.

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 10:21 | 1938214 fuu
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The facade is lifted and you return to form. Just can't help yourself can you?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:29 | 1937633 ClassicalLib17
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I don't think you needed to use the word off in your first sentence.  I can't quote the grammar rule, just a feeling from one with only a high school education, but I could call my sister(she's an english major) and ask her for you civis. I personally feel, it's just a hunch, that the action of scraping from implies total removal.  But then again, who am I to question your authority? 

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:13 | 1937616 ClassicalLib17
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Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:16 | 1937619 ClassicalLib17
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I don't understand why I would get any junks for my first  comment.  OWS?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:24 | 1937627 Incubus
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I have to ask: are you trying to be a troll, or are you just like this normally?

Fri, 12/02/2011 - 04:33 | 1937637 ClassicalLib17
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Did you read my first comment?  I didn't start the trolling here.  Please fill me in.  What was so offensive, or stupid, to anyone regarding my first post?

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