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Guest Post: When The Mob Becomes Violent

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Submitted by Tim Staermose of Sovereign Man

When The Mob Becomes Violent

Today I was accosted by someone begging for money. I know… big deal, right? It’s not an unusual occurrence anywhere in the world, especially here in the Philippines.

Begging is actually big business in Manila. Often small children are forced to work the streets by a ‘begging syndicate,’ and adults keep a watchful eye from a distance before confiscating the kids’ proceeds.  This is one of the lowest acts of humanity I can think of.

The person who approached me today, however, was not a child. He was a perfectly able-bodied, 17 or 18 year-old youth. He chased after me shouting, “My friend! My friend! You give me coins!” If you notice the language, he wasn’t exactly asking… more demanding.

This is a mentality that I will never understand.

Yes it’s unfortunate that there are people in the world who struggle to make a decent living for themselves and their families. But I firmly believe that tossing a few occasional coins is not going to solve their underlying problem.

Indeed, handouts encourage people to continue living on handouts instead of developing skills, working hard, and pulling themselves up from poverty. This makes the situation worse, not better.

It drives me crazy to see someone who clearly HAS the capability to make an honest living, yet refuses to do so… such as the young man who approached me today.

Instead of doing an honest day’s work, or offering some service, or trying to learn a valuable skill, there are FAR too many people who believe that they are simply entitled to other people’s hard work.

Unfortunately, this attitude seems to be a growing trend in the world today.  And it’s not just 17-year old youths living on the breadline (or rice-line) in Manila.  It’s people in “rich” Western countries too. The difference is that a government is inserted in the middle.

By expecting the government to provide for them, people who have been rioting across Europe (and even stealing and looting) are really no different from the unfortunate youth who accosted me here in Manila today.  All of them expect a free ride by demanding handouts from others.

This is no way to prosperity.  Indeed, it’s the way to bankruptcy.  When the pie-takers begin to significantly outnumber the pie-makers, there simply isn’t enough to go around anymore, and the mob becomes violent.

This is where we are right now, and it’s going to take many, many years to get out of the hole the world has dug for itself.

People need to be taught from an early age that no one owes them anything in life… and that character traits such as curiosity, hard-work, honesty, thrift, innovation, ingenuity and, above all, self-reliance are to be commended.

Unfortunately, with the leadership and role models we have in the world today, this is likely to prove an uphill struggle.

What do you think; how does the world get out of the rut it’s in?  How do we turn more people into well-balanced, productive individuals, who demonstrate some degree of decorum and show respect for the success and private property of others? Can it even be done?

I look forward to hearing your views.


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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:33 | 1590950 persu
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BAC 6.66, S&P -6.66% S&P low 666. I am getting scared.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:35 | 1590966 devilsindetails
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Hail Satan.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:37 | 1590981 john39
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banker cabal does this to fuck with people.  it works.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:47 | 1591515 e_goldstein
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only if you let it.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:01 | 1591888 AldousHuxley
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We still have ways to go before we see blood.


Rockefellers, owerns of JP Morgan Chase and University of Chicago's free market theory, used to shoot laborers during murdered infant funerals while living on a company housing just 100 years ago. This time, rockefellers brought in Mexican slaves, so white can ignore the labor exploitation.



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:09 | 1592870 sgt_doom
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Great comments, AldousHuxley !!

Sonny, (speaking to the author of this blog post), if I ever come into contact with you, unlike those of the bankster/republi-Con/pandhandler mentality, I won't be asking for anything, I'll be targeting you specifically -- along with your kind.

First, we begin with the guillotine and the banksters to set the proper example.  Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, BankofAmerica, S&P, Moody's, Blackstone Group, Citidel, Blackrock, SEC personnel, FBI personnel, the entire US Treasury Dept., Kissinger and Associates, etc., etc., etc.

Please address all complaints to

Thank you.



Wed, 08/24/2011 - 22:56 | 1597992 JW n FL
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isnt it about time that the rockefellers are made to pay for the continuing crimes against man kind?

please! vote with a bullet!!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:58 | 1591050 Freddie
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Chasing him demanding coins?  Sounds like Obama voters.  If he were in Chicago being chased - he probably would be dead.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:18 | 1591316 masterinchancery
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Clockwork Orange, here we come.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:51 | 1591537 Lost My Shorts
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Yes, and now an earthquake and hurricane hit DC in the same week !!  It's all becoming clear now -- Rick Perry is Jesus and the end times are nigh.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 17:20 | 1592255 Rodent Freikorps
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Don't be silly. He's just a prophet.

OTOH, obama seems to be all four horsemen rolled into one.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:47 | 1592121 kubrick007
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this paper is the same ole' bullshit. all the guy on the street is asking for is what the guys on wall street get day in, day out (ever since TARP). everyone says u can make a living doing xyz, yet they never look at themselves...before u say that to someone, perhaps, u should ask what you do to actually contribute to the economy. the world would be better if 99% of the assholes in wall street just stuck to begging on the street.  i have no respect for ANYONE in the F.I.R.E. sector that thinks what they do is work. what you do is 99% outright theft. i leave that 1% as i know these sectors are needed, it's just that they shouldn't be more than a fraction of a percent of the economies basically to the author on the high horse about giving out does ur work actually make a difference, or r u just another dickweed peddling investment advice!?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 17:23 | 1592262 Popo
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This guy writes e-books on conflicting subjects like "social infiltration" and how to withdraw from society, and then criticizes those who don't do "honest work".

Please, Simon... Or whatever your name is. Everyone's looking for the easy way out and you're a perfect example. Or perhaps you feel entitled to it?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:04 | 1592741 el Gallinazo
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He wants our opinion?  My opinion is that he is a fucking asshole.  

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 07:23 | 1594370 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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A) Qualifiied motherfuckers in NYC can't find jobs. I guess in Manila you better learn how to suck a mean dick if you want gainful employment

B) Where on Earth might people get the idea that if they fuck up due to their own assholeness that the Government will bail them out? Oh yeah, the fact that Governments have bailed out every single bank on the planet


This guy is a douche in spades

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:30 | 1592608 Chupacabra
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Corporate welfare and individual welfare both suck.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:33 | 1590951 egdeh orez
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"Unfortunately, with the leadership and role models we have in the world today, this is likely to prove an uphill struggle."

Uphill struggle is an understatement with clowns like Obama and Bernanke running the show

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:34 | 1590957 gwar5
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Peak socialism.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:00 | 1591584 Lost My Shorts
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Boneheads like you shut down your minds years ago, and have only one answer to everything.  The poor refuse to starve gracefully and its ... Socialism !!!  Restart your mind briefly and answer me this:

1) Philippine punk demanding "coins"

2) Bankers make huge volumes of bad loans; give selves $ billions in bonuses for the great work; Bernanke runs ZIRP for a decade to recapitalize banks after the bad loans go bad; $ trillions of interest income of ordinary savers is thereby stolen

Whick of these is the high-volume scam in the world today?  Which is the greater enemy of honest work?  Why should Manila punks be honest and self reliant when they look up and see the elites stealing everything everywhere?  Where is the socialism?  All I see is kleptocracy and cynicism.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:20 | 1591652 Bob
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A lot of clueless, self-righteous morons will be convinced they're getting their faces beat in due to jealousy or sloth when TSHTF. 

Clueless.  And fiercely proud of it. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:17 | 1591993 Banjo
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Haha thats hilarious :-)

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:43 | 1591776 Banjo
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The original poster has some very simplistic points one which is esentially - Get a job.

There was an excellent Asia times article on global over capacity. With automation and economies of scale there is so much abundence of production that profits are high and prices are low, total employment is also extremely low. This is clearly evident in the worlds biggest economy the USA.

If the original poster took a moment to think beyond slogans and the usual clap trap socialism and get a job he may come to the realisation that "the system" is esentially broken.

I'm sure if this 17 year old in the Phillipenes was getting "rugged individualist" food stamps and other equivalent benefits offered in the USA then he would not be chasing anyone down the street for a few coins.

Lets face it (more thinking required) it's not like a few coins are going to buy a property, share portfolio or hard assets gold and silver. It's probably going to buy some food or other short term expense.

Perhaps the most disappointing thing is as you mentioned people today have stopped reading and are evaulating and solving problems with such a limited toolset that I only see things getting much much worse before they can get possibly better.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 17:01 | 1592177 Chump
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Good post deserves some epic banjo.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:45 | 1591781 Banjo
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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:45 | 1591786 NidStyles
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Government intervention is socialism, or did you miss that part of the concept?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:06 | 1591923 AnAnonymous
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If so, then the US has only been a socialist country with effects.

A large chunk of US citizens operating on this site are baby boomer US citizens. A generation of multiple entitlements. This generation has understood that their current entitlements might be endangered by any claim of entitlements coming for later generations.

The spin is expected and obvious.

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 07:27 | 1594374 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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Didn't realize so many ZH readers were still caught up in the false Left / Right paradigm.


Got a bud in the Obama administration. I keep telling him that thank God Obama is black. That way I can tell him apart from G.W. Bush.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:48 | 1592126 midtowng
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It couldn't possibly be that the people who paid into those funds all their lives might want some of it back. No, it must be that they are greedy and lazy.

And those kids in the 3rd world country, why don't they just go out and get a job in a place where 80% of their group don't have jobs. They must all be lazy, huh?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:28 | 1592788 Budd Fox
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Philippine punk just an amateur.


Bankers are pros. They get disturbed when amateurs interfere. That's why they love to have their militias shoot the amateurs.

Is when the amateurs shoot back they get really offended and try to enforce their view of the world through superior firepower.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:04 | 1591910 Azannoth
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I encountered this phenomenon even here in Germany, I was a few times asked for 'small donations' to young people (student age) who didn't look like bums, didn't look like they where sleeping on the street, if they didn't ask for money I would never imagine them being beggars. I am not yet sure what to make of this, are they beggars or just short on change?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 17:03 | 1592184 Great Dane
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Ich Verstehe Nicht!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 20:29 | 1592792 Budd Fox
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Banker's trainees short on change?


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:35 | 1590964 TradingJoe
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No it can't! True Power without integrity becomes CORRUPTION! The few "have's" against the many "have - not's" will be the next decade's "uphill battle" :)))! When the rich stop stealing, the poor will stop rioting!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:36 | 1590968 Irish66
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Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:44 | 1591013 dbach
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The poor need to start rioting first before they can stop. I do agree with you tho

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:54 | 1591084 Missing_Link
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Right, so, according to you, TradingJoe, ALL the rich are "stealing?"  Not just some of them?

And this justifies violence in your eyes, right?

And let me guess  ...  you define "rich" people as anybody with more money than you, right?

So, anybody with more money than you is a fair target because you feel surely that wealth was garnered by unjust means, and you have the "right" to take it back.

And because I probably have a few bucks more than you (though only a few), you can attack me?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:03 | 1591171 TradingJoe
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By "the rich" I ment those stealing from you too, not those who (may) have more then me, I hope a lot of people have more then me, I don't give money any more attention the it to be a means to possibilites not a purpose as it seems to be to you and all those having more then me :)))! I generalized as has the entire thread by SB yet you feel threatened, how come? Did oyu steal from some one?:)))

Relax, no one will attack you, you have too much money!:)))))

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:07 | 1591927 Azannoth
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Maybe that is your definition of rich, but for the bottom 50% any1 who can put a meal on their table (without government assistance) is rich, this includes you too (probably) so don't delude your selft that you are '1 of the people'

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:47 | 1591510 Syrin
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Exactly, and when they've done studies on the rich, guess what they have found.   They are generally better educated, work longer hours, take risks many are unwilling to take etc etc etc.


Yeah, that's theft.   They work hard and have skill.     NO!!!!!!!!!




So TraderJoe, can we assume you have no desire to become rich?   If you do, and become rich, does that mean you some how cheated your way there or stole from someone else?   Perhaps you'll be perpetually hppy flipping burgers at McyD's and being jealous your entire life.


Read this to get some perspective.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:53 | 1591840 AnAnonymous
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Exactly, and when they've done studies on the rich, guess what they have found. They are generally better educated, work longer hours, take risks many are unwilling to take etc etc etc.

Yeah, that's theft. They work hard and have skill. NO!!!!!!!!!
Another non sense, trademark of US cheap propaganda.

Stealing is a skill. Being proficient at stealing requires lots of training and an education in theft.

Stealing might require long hard work hours. Stealing often involves taking risks than others wont.

Another circular, empty, biased stroke of vacuity by US propagandists aka US citizens.

The only thing at the moment that does not require skills is producing cheap propaganda and the pity of it, sorrowfully for US citizens, debunking it.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:57 | 1591866 Banjo
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Anyone with one billion dollars or more has unearned wealth. Once you get into the billions of dollars you start getting into the crony, kleptocratic side of social organisation.

A truly free market or even socialist nirvana allows for a disparity in wealth. Only cronyism allows the magnitued to become wholly unbalanced that it threatns the social fabric.

Some candidates there are hundreds (yes hundreds) of others

  • Arafat (now dead)
  • Russian oligarchs
  • Buffett
  • Bill Gates
  • Saudi family
  • N Korean dictator
  • the list goes on

We can start with these cronies and work our way down. No need for violence or taking everything they can still keep tens of millions of dollars, have lavish houses, luxury cars and boats. They just can't have everything.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:39 | 1593258 IronShield
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 08:34 | 1594495 chindit13
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"Anyone with one billion dollars or more has unearned wealth"

Well, let me add a blanket statement of my own:

Anyone born in the US, Switzerland, Norway and other OECD countries has unearned accident of birth wealth. Or how about this: anyone who is benefiting from the rise in gold and silver prices has unearned wealth.  See how easy it is to play your game?

I might have been away, so please accept belated congratulations on your election victory to be Minister of Redistribution. Now that you have mandate in hand, I guess you'll go about separating excess and undeserved wealth from its current custodians, like that LuLuLemon bastard who is richer than Croessus. Lucky for you the 17-year old Pinoy did not win, since his mandate might cut a wider swathe than yours. He might, for instance, decide that people who can afford a computer or who have time to post comments on the internet have both too much wealth and too much free time, since it greatly exceeds anything he has ever known. He might even decide that he can take from you until every child his Mom or sisters can pop out in the future are at least given the equal of what you now have.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:42 | 1591480 Syrin
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So doctors, lawyers, accountants, entrepreneurs etc are stealing eh?


How long have you been running your begging cartel?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:52 | 1591836 Pay Day Today
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If the entrepreneur is Steve Jobs or Bernie Madoff, then yeah, there's a case to be made for stealing. On the other hand 99% of doctors, accountants and lawyers are just paid work horses for the very wealthy. Sometimes well paid work horses, sometimes not. So can't really blame then.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:17 | 1591991 Randy Kruger
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How is Steve Jobs a thief according to your definition of that concept?  And what do you think of all the lawyers and accountants employed to perpetuate the abuses of the system, with full knowledge of their mission?  Aren't they complicit and corrupt?  Isn't it THEIR wet dream to be at the top of the pyramid?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:39 | 1592082 RobertC
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I know doctors, lawyers & accountants; very few are wealthy...


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:12 | 1591969 Randy Kruger
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When the rich stop printing money to fund entitlements, the poor will riot.  Until then, enjoy your unemployment checks, food stamps and iGadgets.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:36 | 1590970 john39
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no offense, but, most of the people I see begging in the U.S. these days look utterly defeated and sad. save the idiotic preaching.  the world economy is farce and people should be angry.  when enough people figure out what has really gone one, they mob will be angry.  on that day, only hope they can find the people really responsible for this mess, hiding on their islands and in bunkers. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:41 | 1591001 Confused
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Agreed. I'm not sure that the riots are necessarily over "hand-outs."

And if the mob became violent every once in awhile, maybe our "masters" wouldn't be so bold.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:51 | 1591118 Simon Endean
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You do realize, of course, that - with very few exceptions - the violent mob you wish for won't be able to get anywhere near the masters.  They will, however, be more than happy to rob, beat, and kill you/us in lieu of the masters.  You/we are a lot more accessible and have far fewer armed, trained men defending us.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:14 | 1591980 Banjo
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The solution is to retain a solid viable wealthy middle class.

When people lose their jobs, lose their homes, end up living in tents. Desire work even low paid and are unable to obtain it...

I believe this is a recipe for at best a very unhappy pathetic shadow of a society, at worst if the demographic gets large enough violence that you describe.

It is therefore the duty of the existing paid and "relatively" wealthy middle class to demand via politics an equitable distribution of wealth that the economy produces. NOTE: Jobs are the best way of distributing this wealth, not food stamps and other welfare benefits that socialist America is now intent on pursuing.

There is plenty of work to be done and much wealth available to fund projects.

If the only activity society finds valuable is not investing in plant and equipment, thereby excluding people from producing things of real tangible value and instead high frequency trade pieces of paper as their price moves up or down, then what future for that nation?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 18:05 | 1592398 Bob
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It is therefore the duty of the existing paid and "relatively" wealthy middle class to demand via politics an equitable distribution of wealth that the economy produces.

Yet when they are mistaken for the "real" bad guys by the blood thirsty mob, they won't understand the connection between them and what "happened." 

Standing up and doing your part in making sure it doesn't happen would be the best policy, imo.  Unless, of course, you expect the elites to have your back!  Good luck with that. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:51 | 1591070 BobPaulson
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Hear, hear. I would say: it's frustrating that instead of begging they don't start a revolution. Able bodied people begging is a sign of hoplessness and that there are people walking around whose pocket change is equivalent to a days work they can get doing an honest job. Most sane people want work.

Another important thing to note is that to pull yourself up by the bootstraps takes sanity, health and intelligence, for the most part, which increasingly excludes some people. I'm not saying they "deserve" welfare, but we should not be surprised a growing chunk of the population don't fit into the servile labouror class. It's one of the side effects of freedom in a system that requires more and more knowledge and intuition to function compared to a few centuries ago.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:56 | 1591090 centerline
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You need to differentiate the beggars from the "pie takers" here. You also need to get out some more.

This subject is bigger than bums though. It is about net in versus net out. Unsustainable math and the consequences of the ponzi coming to an end. The Roman Empire comes to mind as an example of an imperialist nation reaching maximum social complexity and an economic disaster. Of course, ancient Rome lacked the innovative modern technology, medicine, energy systems, rapid supply chains, etc. that have allowed us to construct an even larger, more complex, more populated Rome.

The first mob that is going to get angry is the one filled with people whose entitlements went tits up. And they are coming to your house, for your stuff, because they deserve it... and have the right to take it, because they were cheated out of thier share (at least in thier mind this is the case).

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 18:40 | 1592486 Lord Koos
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Hordes of aging boomers are going to go house to house in armed mobs because they didn't get their social security checks or food stamps?  This stuff didn't happen in the 30s, what makes you think it's going to happen now?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:45 | 1593295 IronShield
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Unfortunate Scenario:

first mob: Knock, Knock, Knock...  We're here for your stuff...

me: Bang, Bang, Bang...  Who is it?

Wed, 08/24/2011 - 08:33 | 1594487 Bob
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Fun story, but why doesn't anybody recognize the inevitable problem of molotov cocktails on their roof?  You'll have to be on at least 60 acres of level, clearcut land with your house in the very middle of it to defend.  And even then one guy can't do it. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:39 | 1591461 mind_imminst
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I am not rich. I work hard and try to save money. Someday I would like to buy an island and relax. Unfortunately with your attitude it looks like I might be dead. Yay mob! (sarc).

Remember that even Robespierre eventually fell to the guillotine. Be careful what you wish for.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:44 | 1591491 Toma Haja
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I was thinking earlier today how food stamps etc in the U.S. really eliminate what would otherwise be a Manila or Mumbai type of world.  There are beggars here, but few from necessity.  Last week as I entered a pharmacy one was sitting outside and truly looked "utterly defeated and sad".  On my way out, another elderly man had just given him a couple of bucks and I followed up with a couple more.  He then asked us both if we had any cigarettes.  A reminder of why I rarely give in to beggars.  But those kids in Manila are a different story.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:37 | 1590973 chet
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Why do I get the feeling that the author of this is a trust-funder?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:54 | 1591006 fuu
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"When the pie-takers begin to significantly outnumber the pie-makers, there simply isn’t enough to go around anymore, and the mob becomes violent."


Wasn't that last week's talking point/meme about taxing the poor who pay nothing instead of the rich who pay too little according to Uncle Warren?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:58 | 1591113 Rodent Freikorps
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Taxing everyone is the only fair thing. It is the only way to make the proles save themselves. Just enough to make them pay attention, nothing punitive.

I'd support taxing WB at 100%, confiscating his entire wealth and selling his family into slavery. Any billionaire who supports socialism deserves no less.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:04 | 1591176 fuu
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Is it ok to just sell all the billionairs into slavery? I don't believe anyone can become a billionaire without conspiring to break the law.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:29 | 1592038 Rodent Freikorps
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Throw in the crony capitalist CEOs and it's a deal.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:27 | 1592032 Banjo
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This whole poor don't pay tax is absolute nonense. The value in an economy is not at the taxation layer it's at the production layer.

If Im a wall street bankster and play the HFT game all day and earn say 500K and pay tax. I have brought and sold things between you and I and not made one single widget that is a requiremnt of my trading activity be it if I traded Apple, Wheat, or Oil etc..

If I work as a

  • strawberry picker
  • chicken factory worker
  • toilet cleaner
  • process worker
  • other low paid


And I have at the end of the day actually delivered tangible output that people want, use and need.

And yet I don't pay tax due to the inequality of wages structured into law. I HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO MY SOCIETY. By generating values that other people need and use every day. The fact I don't get paid enough to get taxed is a totally separate issue, but a fantastic oversimplification that is used by the rich to blame me for their taking all the value I produce and still blame me for a stagnant economy.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 17:50 | 1592349 johnnynaps
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trust-funders are also pie takers. Along with some over-paid government employees, baby boomers with excessive pensions, banksters, politicians, etc.. Point is, I believe this is all warranted. How it will be handled is a different story.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:43 | 1592669 John_Coltrane
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I'm thinking your pension is probably "excessive" but mine certainly isn't.  Your salary is likely "excessive", but I'm very convinced mine isn't.  I pay too much tax, but you likely don't.  I'm likely smarter, faster, a better dancer and more attractive to the ladies etc. than you.  In short, we're all well above average in our own minds.  We need to think this way to get us through life, but don't ignore it.

And may I add, "don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree"

Now, do you see the flaw in your "logic"

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:58 | 1591059 pesamystik
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Haha, my thoughts exactly. This guy is probably investing some money he got from daddy, writing for the ridiculous website Sovreign Man, and now complaining that some kids ripped him off. Most of these investment "gurus" never worked a real day in their life, and even if they did, they certainly aren't now. Does anyone really believe what Warren Buffet, George Soros, Marc Faber, or any number of these goons actually work? They just play with money for a living, simply living off the stolen wealth of a fiat-based monetary system that pumps endless reams of money into trust funder portfolios and bankers' wallets. 

I only wish they took this guy's computer too, then maybe we wouldn't have to listen to his clap-trap about an "honest days work."

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:02 | 1591156 Freddie
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I like Faber but this Sovereign Man (SM) needs some little beggar kid to grab SM'd iPad and beat him senseless with it.  Probably some trust fund fvkkk "trying to keep it real" with the peasants.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:08 | 1591230 dwdollar
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I get that feeling with most of the fools on Sovereign Man.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:49 | 1591527 e_goldstein
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or a boomer.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:38 | 1590975 The Count
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Tell that to the Europeans that had over 30 years of socialist government. When they noticed that their own people were not making enough babies to pay for future entitlements they had the great idea (together with the investments bankers who of course know that for the ponzi scheme to continue you need perpetual growth) to open up the immigration floodgates. The press played its part by running stories that the country needed hundreds of thousands of skilled workers... bla bla bla. And who did come? Hundred of thousands of low class, unskilled workers. But admit that they made a mistake? Never. Same with the EU. Every promise that was made regarding the EU has been broken. Where is the uproar? None, because the MSM is playing along with the well orchestrated room of mirrors.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:53 | 1591080 pesamystik
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Yeah, open borders turned out just to be another form of European genocide, this time against all native born Europeans. I wonder if these elites ever lose any sleep about the Europe their children will wake up to in 50 years, surrounded by an alien people. Most likely they will live in posh apartments, behind blast walls, with immigrant bodyguards, maids, etc. barely giving a second thought to the kin their fathers and mothers betrayed so many years ago.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:46 | 1591751 Dr. Acula
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Actually, to "open up the immigration floodgates" is to adopt the policies of freedom.

To establish invisible lines collectively owned by "society" is socialism. I never purchased any lands abutting the borders, nor do I want any part in owning, maintaining, or patroling them; yet I am wrongfully coerced into paying for these socialized costs.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:48 | 1591805 Rodent Freikorps
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Isn't that like saying a gecko and a TRex are both lizards?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:12 | 1591970 Dr. Acula
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They're both reptiles.

Logic is a bitch, huh?


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:24 | 1592014 Rodent Freikorps
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Logic, alone, does allow one to go wrong with confidence.

Borders, whether on a home lot, or a nation are how one defends private property. Not socialism. Good fences make good neighbors.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 18:43 | 1592491 FeralSerf
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Borders are the limits of one's empire if one is a fuedal lord.   Borders keep a fuedal lord's livestock, including his serfs, contained for his personal use.   It does not matter whether the fuedal lord is Washington based or much more local as it was in the middle ages.  A free society, of necessity, eliminates fuedal lords and borders.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 22:19 | 1593151 Cathartes Aura
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nation states love their imaginary lines drawn, to be celebrated & defended by their live-stock, wearing their uni-forms signifying loyalty. . . and  when the coveted resources are "greener" on the other side of the "fence" - they invent a story & send their live-stock off to defeat enemies, cheering them on with medals & parades (those that survive, of course), & tell the families of those who are killed how "heroic" their loved one was to fight for the nation's notions. . .

lines drawn in the mind, lines in the sand, lines of lies - NONE of those who set this game in motion believe in those lines - they just sell the meme.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:00 | 1591881 Financial_Guard...
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The people protecting the borders that you want no part of are protecting you from someone else getting close enough to take your land. By chosing to live where you do you accept what comes with it. I hope to God you don't live in my country.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:14 | 1591956 Dr. Acula
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"The people protecting the borders that you want no part of are protecting you from someone else getting close enough to take your land."

What if I don't want to pay for that protection? What if I want the immigrants to come on my land? What if I want them living and working on my land, growing tomatoes, or perhaps marijuana?

Answer: you don't believe in freedom, or private property. Other people's property can only be used how you say it can.

i.e. it sounds like you are a socialist devoid of ethics and/or logic.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:28 | 1592035 Rodent Freikorps
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There's the rub.

Sponsor anyone you like. If they don't stay on your property, or make any demands on society at large you must make that good to society, not me.

Freedom requires responsibility.

Put your fortune where your mouth is.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:45 | 1592111 Dr. Acula
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So you are saying something like, accepting someone as a tenant or employee means one is somehow thereafter responsible for any future costs (say, crimes or begging) perpetrated by that individual on adjacent private lots?

What about having a child? If my child grows up to be a murderer, will I also be held responsible for his actions? After all, I originally "sponsored" him as a living being.

Is there a method to your madness, or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass?

Do you believe in personal responsibility?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 17:28 | 1592283 Rodent Freikorps
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If you sponsor an illegal, yes, you take full responsibility. Keep as many as you can afford and your lands can maintain. If they leave your employ, you must fund their return to their home country.

And yes, you should be held responsible for your child's actions until they are adults. Of course our nanny state will jail you if you had to use force for that, but that is your problem.

After he's an adult, he is responsible.

Freedom requires responsibility. Otherwise it is just a fraud. Freedom to succeed must be balanced with the freedom to fail.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 18:53 | 1592518 FeralSerf
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Where are you permitted to sponsor said illegal?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:41 | 1590983 Ignorance is bliss
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It's funny, I have nephews from Venezuela both rich and not so much. All 4 of them expect things to be handed to them. I see the same thing here in the U.S. The generation of expectations for nothing in return seems to be a worldwide cultural phenomena.


I will say when they don't get their way, those kids turn into nasty little bastards. My cute little niece (17) actually started character assassination on my wife via Facebook and by calling around to mutual family. I certainly didn't expect that. They  also use foul language constantly. The next time I see one, I will show them what consequences look like as they manifest themselves in the real world. A little physicality is in order.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:45 | 1591036 chet
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Frankly, there is nothing like a good recession to teach kids some humility.  There's a whole generation in the US learning that the world won't hand them jack squat. 

The attitude that this poster is talking about can be wiped out pretty quickly in an economic climate like we have now.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:10 | 1591256 Almost Solvent
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The faster they learn Life Ain't Fair the faster they can figure out why

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:51 | 1591068 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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I can offer you the perfect solution, it comes a la a wise father called jospeh fritzel. His daughter was playing up like your niece so he locked here up underground for 24 years. There she was taught dicipline the hard way, the old fasioned way, the austrian way! She was well looked after - food was provided, and to top it off she got laid regularly.

I propose you hand over your cute little 17 year old niece to me and I'll give her the fritzel treatment! It'll be entirely for her own good.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:57 | 1591103 john39
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technically true to call Fritzel an Austrian, but to be spot on, he is a member of certain religious/ethnic minority closely associated with the banking cabal.  go figure.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:49 | 1591426 Randy Kruger
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So was/is the Queen of England, Lenin, Jeffrey Dahmer, Winston Churchill, Hank Paulson, Queen Beatrix, Merkel, Obama, G-d, Osama, Satan, and yo mama.  Everyone you have a problem with becomes a member of that certain religious/ethnic minority that you are so afraid to call out.  On the rare occassions that you do, you use that certain code word that starts with letter "z".  Why are you running scared?  Don't be afraid to use the correct spelling of "that word which must not be written", habibi.  Fritzl was born a Christian, but I don't think you care, do you?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:01 | 1591593 prole
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Unkn, Yes, unkn, Yes, Yes, Unkn, unkn, yes, ??, no, unkn, no.


WHOA-- You edited that Randy Creugar!!
What is wrong? You decided you aren't so proud of Marx Engels Lenin and Trotsky??? Why not mention Stalin too with his brethren?

Here is YOUR list before YOUR careful editing Lol--


Marx, Engels, Queen, Lenin, Trotsky, Sarkoz, Merke, Jesus Christ, Ob@m, Gd?, Osama, Chairsatan?, regualr satan?!, someone's moma.  Why the careful posting and re-editing?? who knows what your post will look like by the time this posts?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:14 | 1591629 Randy Kruger
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Infuriating, isn't it?  I was trying to make the same point differently but then changed my mind.  Where there is an "edit" function, there will be editing.  Live with it, just like you have to live with the First Amendment.  I will edit what I want, when I want, and how I want.  And what's with the yes, unknown, and no?  Use the word, bitch!  No one will come and get your monkey ass, I promise.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:22 | 1591675 prole
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Damn! It's hard to keep up with your constantly changing posts. I wish I could have responded to your "more" incoherent first (unedited) post before you corrected some of your logic and typing mistakes. I will however admit to scratching my head over why I should be 'infuriated' over the first ammendment?? Bizarre like all  of your points. Also ironic, as it is your fellow people who have gotten that amm. and freedom banned throughout Europe and Canada. How goes your campaign to shut it down in America?

Whoa- I'll do some editing of my own, wo erase the answered insults. I din't believe your (un) threats.

Sorry, mea culpa!!!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:27 | 1591702 Randy Kruger
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Your people?  Still not calling out that which must not be said, are you?  A bullet would be a terrible thing to waste on your sorry ass.  Maybe the ammunition ban would save your life.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:34 | 1591741 prole
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Christ, I said I was sorry. Now will you please stop threatening to kill me and call off that meerkat team. You won't hear any more complaints from me.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:54 | 1591845 NidStyles
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Like all of you socialist, you speak as if you know violence and conflict openly, but please do tell me which conflict have you guys ever won? Even better which ones have you ever won or rather came close to not losing outright without foreign aid?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:58 | 1591856 Randy Kruger
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Whoa!  How did you make me a socialist?  

As to armed conflict, remember June 1967, habibi?  If not, read up on it.  Or 1948 and everything that led up to it?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:36 | 1593589 FeralSerf
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Terrorists in 1948.  Haven't changed.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:29 | 1591716 pazmaker
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I agree with you that there are many posters on here that want to blame eveything on  "the jew",   but I would like to know how one is born a christian?   My understanding of Chrisitiany tells me that it's a personal choice not a birthright.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:48 | 1591807 Randy Kruger
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Same as saying that one was born a Jew.  Saying that somebody was born a Christian implies that he was born into a Christian family.  You're not exercising much personal choice at baptism.  

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:52 | 1591073 Ruffcut
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Don't any of you have children? Blood sucking little monsters.

You pay their cell phone, car payments, insurance, computers, college education, party money,  and simple stuff like food. We have collectively made them that way. Why in the fuck would you beg on the street when daddy is opening his wallet?

Amerikans have shit, so the kids pimp them. Poor countries have their kids do the pimping for them, mostly from amerikans.

If you need money, beg for it. The banks do. Government does. And if you if don't give it to them, they will steal anything you have left.

Life made easy, except for those who actually work and save.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:18 | 1591657 Randy Kruger
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Get a vasectomy, moron.  Don't tell others what to do, nobody cares about your pathetic opinion, least of all the AmeriCans you despise.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:56 | 1591859 NidStyles
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Perhaps you should take your own advice?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:04 | 1591907 Randy Kruger
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No, thanks.  Unlike you, I don't breed carpet salespeople.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:38 | 1591454 Freddie
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Wow.  Also get off Facebook.  I once met a young man from Venez.  He must have been German or Austrian.  He had perfect manners and spoke perfect Engliah.  This is just when Chavez was taking over.  He came from a middle class family who were terrified that Chavez would take everything.  The young man had already been shot once by robbers.  His parents were trying to find him work outside of the country.  Sad.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:38 | 1590987 monopoly
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Going to take a long long time to solve our problems. And the CEOs of the banks get more wealth every day. Sad commentary we have here.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:38 | 1590988 CrashisOptimistic
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My views?  You want to hear our views?

How about you stop trying to solve unsolvable problems and accept the inevitable?  Death.  Societal death.


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:54 | 1591543 Randy Kruger
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I invite all of you true believers in death to put on your Nike snickers and relieve us of your incessant bitching and negativity.  Hell, I'll even pay for the snickers and pills.  Tell me where to send the check.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:18 | 1591662 Big Corked Boots
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For a guy claiming an Ivy Leauge MBA, you sure have trouble with spelling.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:25 | 1591692 Randy Kruger
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Don't be a fool, boot specialist.  Address the substance, or else you're wasting keystrokes.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:58 | 1591870 NidStyles
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What substance, you offer nothing but cliched overly dramatic prose as if it were intelligent. MBA, more like GED.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:08 | 1591919 Randy Kruger
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That MBA really seems to bother you, bitch.   Inferiority complex?  Go lick a boot.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:40 | 1590999 praps
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People should be allowed fair access to the country's land and resources.

At the moment it is mostly owned by a minority and to use it (e.g. for business premises) you have to pay them rent.

Solve this and a lot more people would feel motivated rather than feeling they are slaves.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:52 | 1591077 ATM
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What you mean like Zimbabwe??

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:05 | 1591202 Nobody
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You took my snarky comment


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:00 | 1591583 Randy Kruger
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Yep.  Let's jambanja all of them occupiers of people's lands and hand them over to real people, salt of the earth, AK-47 in hand.  Read "The Fear" by Peter Godwin.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 18:15 | 1592422 fuu
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I will bet $1 that you flameout before 1 year is up.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:41 | 1591003 dbach
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1) Return charity to charity rather than government mandated benevolence.

2) Institute appropriate and effective regulations that will fundamentally change this userous system; currently designed to polarize our society into the haves and the have nots.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:55 | 1591092 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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I don't give a single penny - I'm already looted by these marxist scumbags at every pay check so they can go on making babies for fun!

These people on the streets with clip boards (some of the quite attractive) are the scurge of the high street - trying to impose guilt as a profession. A safe bet that won't offer a long standing income when the shit hits the fan!

But I don't give a penny; I NEVER tip, never give to beggers, and especially don't give to young perfectly healthy mediteranions or north africans who aggressively think northern europeans owe them a living.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:15 | 1591982 Financial_Guard...
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Always tip those who deserve it or stay and home and don't: eat out, get your hair cut, have a pizza delivered, etc. Non-tippers remind me of animal abusers--they do it just because they can an could care less what harm is caused.

Signed, a former server and now a financial consumer advocate

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:30 | 1592042 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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you do that and I'll not do it and buy a few extra philharmonics each month...

lets see who ends up richer, yank - don't you know the rest of the world don't agree that customers should pay the servers wages; we think it should be the company.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:41 | 1591007 kito
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i heard begging doesnt exist in chile. i have it on the word of simon. 

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:55 | 1591087 FeralSerf
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You don't see too many beggers in Monte Carlo either.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:16 | 1591654 falak pema
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I had something irreverential to say about bored women in Monte Carlo but I desisted at the last minute. Required an immense effort of self control. Begging has many different connotations.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:32 | 1591728 pazmaker
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Yep  Simon says Chile is paradise on earth.......but I thought they were pimping the Phillipines too?  OH well there goes that idea!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:02 | 1591893 NidStyles
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The Philippines is perfectly fine, once you get away from centrally planned Manila. The rest of the country has common sense, and doesn't typically have that grand western vision of socialism. Although the majority of the beggars in the city are actually working for the Marxist rebels from Boracay and Cebu.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:43 | 1591011 centerline
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The way this gets corrected is lots and lots of people not making it.  The ones remaining take notice and hopefully figure it out quickly.

We are at a social extreme.  There is no easy way to correct this.  Human nature hasn't changed much - and likewise, our destiny will continue to be filled with pain and suffering so many of us recognize as completely unnecessary.  I really wish this wasn't the case.  But, I don't think I am wrong.  


Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:43 | 1591014 Ignorance is bliss
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How about we start by building core family and fundamentals? The reason we suck as humans starts with the core. The core is the family unit and it is broken. Its everyman for himself.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:45 | 1591034 monopoly
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Agree with that. But that takes years and politicians need to be re-elected, so forget it.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:52 | 1591074 topcallingtroll
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The family unit is broken because of government policy.

One good thing about an economic collapse is that if it is severe enough it should knock off the thirty percent of the population that is purely parasitic.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:57 | 1591101 alien-IQ
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A family cannot be broken by government. Only shitty parents can achieve that.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:06 | 1591213 topcallingtroll
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But those shitty parents can be kept in line if we stopped the enabling of shitiness. Laziness and irrespinsibility must be punished, not rewarded.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:21 | 1591331 alien-IQ
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and who is this metaphoric "we" you speak of with the power to determine what is laziness and what is not, what is shitty parenting and what is not, what is productive and what is not?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:42 | 1591477 topcallingtroll
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I would say that if we allowed natural cosequences to befall people who make bad choices they will learn and be motivated to make good choices.

I dont need to be the judge, to determine what is productive and what is lazy, or shitty. It is not necessary that I make those judgments. We just need to stop the entitlements and allow people to see the consequences, good or bad, of their choices.

No judging necessary!

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:29 | 1591690 MacGruber
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But this discounts the fact that often the game is rigged for and against people from the very start. If you are born poor it's likely that you will be poor your entire life, same if you are rich. By the census only 10% of the population actually change social class in a generation. That means 90% are f*cked.

Your logic is predicated on the belief that welfare is purely a choice not to work. However, just because you force people back into the workforce doesn't mean that there is magically a job there waiting for them. My guess is if you ended welfare tomorrow, there wouldn't suddenly be this huge pool of highly sought after folks finding employment immediately at $50k a year. More likely you would see streets lined with angry starving people, regardless of their level of job seeking motivation.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 16:08 | 1591938 alien-IQ
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Well said and absolutely right.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:01 | 1591596 sschu
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The family unit is broken because of government policy.

This is the real issue, how do we "undo" the welfare state?  Many of our fiscal problems are the result of the moral breakdown of America, the basic family structure most prominently so.  Did government cause the breakdown or did the breakdown initiate government intervention?  Probably a bit of both. 

There are about 22M people who work for government at all levels.  In my rough estimation we need to reduce government employees and expenditures by at least half.  This means people need to change their ways and not depend on government, except temporarily and only for the very needy. 

45M on food stamps is unsustainable.  Unwinding these numbers and mindset will be very difficult.  IMHO it will not happen voluntarily or orderly, but thru catastrophic social upheaval.  The individual pain will be enormous.




Tue, 08/23/2011 - 19:01 | 1592538 FeralSerf
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<<45M on food stamps is unsustainable.>>

How so?  Have you ever heard of the industrial revolution?   Do you have any proof or even evidence that this is unsustainable?

 Why, with  the aid of modern technology, is 10% of the population not able to support the other 90%?

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 21:01 | 1592849 sschu
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With respect, how can you look at our present fiscal circumstance and ask such a question?  Borrowing 40% of every $$ we spend at a federal level is sustainable?



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 23:45 | 1593636 FeralSerf
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Too much wealth is being stolen by the bankers and the military.   Cut them down to a size that's affordable.  Bankers and generals can get by on food stamps just like the rest of the unemployed.  They also spend too much on golf, BTW.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 15:47 | 1591793 pazmaker
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the breaking of the family unit is what ALLOWED our government policy to become so burdensome and corrupt.  Weak families allowing the government to dictate and take over the parenting responsiblities.  This could be an interesting topic and long and drawn out but many on here reject moral absolutes.  A society that is not based on moral absolutes will always be corrupt and slide down a slippery slope of destruction.


The USA and I'm sure many other countries are rotting from within spiritually.   In the USA, Christianity has been monopolized by greedy warmongers who preach patriotism rather the true message of the gospel.

Love is replaced with Lust

Generosity and Compassion is replaced with Greed, and selfishness

Respect is replaced disrespect and contempt

Honor replaced with dishonor

Honesty replaces with cheating and lying

Freedom replaced with Servitude


And our society, our country as a whole has allowed this to happen.


So I would say the breaking of the family unit took place first and allowed our government to dictate.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:03 | 1591159 kiss my dopamine
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A little contradictory, don't you think?  Isn't a family unit a relationship in which things are given without expectation of reimbursement? The family is where you are conditioned on how to interact with the world. Yet you complain of children expecting things. I grew up in an upper middle class family, but it quickly turned into an every man for himself situation when things went poorly. 

Successful kids don't work jobs or give back to the family today.  They take 12 AP classes, play a sport, and are captain of the debate team. It is all about self progression rather than the unit.  Shitty kids aren't going to contribute for other reasons.

The world is a chang'n. It is more selfish because we have luxuries that make the individual less dependant on the group. This trend will only continue.

I think it is more wide spread phenom than the loss of the family core and fundamentals. But then again, there are those gays running around unbeaten, and the whites and blacks getting intermarried without some burning lowercase t's in their yards for you to correct in the name of the "family unit".



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:59 | 1591580 Citxmech
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"The world is a chang'n. It is more selfish because we have luxuries that make the individual less dependant on the group. This trend will only continue."

You had me up until there.  The world is a-changin' - but it will be getting smaller, less specialized, and more "family/commumity" oriented.

Economic collapse has a way of doing that.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:03 | 1591160 kiss my dopamine
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A little contradictory, don't you think?  Isn't a family unit a relationship in which things are given without expectation of reimbursement? The family is where you are conditioned on how to interact with the world. Yet you complain of children expecting things. I grew up in an upper middle class family, but it quickly turned into an every man for himself situation when things went poorly. 

Successful kids don't work jobs or give back to the family today.  They take 12 AP classes, play a sport, and are captain of the debate team. It is all about self progression rather than the unit.  Shitty kids aren't going to contribute for other reasons.

The world is a chang'n. It is more selfish because we have luxuries that make the individual less dependant on the group. This trend will only continue.

I think it is more wide spread phenom than the loss of the family core and fundamentals. But then again, there are those gays running around unbeaten, and the whites and blacks getting intermarried without some burning lowercase t's in their yards for you to correct in the name of the "family unit".



Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:49 | 1591019 alien-IQ
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If the government does not want to provide for the people, then perhaps it needs to stop TAXING THE FUCKING PEOPLE.

What seems to be conveniently left out of the discussion on many posts in which they demonize people collecting "entitlements" is that often time and at least in part, those so called "entitlements" were funded by the peoples tax dollars.

We keep bitching about tax dollars going to the needy but seem to be completely silent when tax dollars are spent killing brown people we never met half way around the world.

I'd rather see tax dollars spent taking care of people in need than see it wasted killing people who's only sin was to be unlucky enough to have been born in a nation with oil reserves under their sand.

"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist." - Archbishop Helder Camara

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:58 | 1591119 FeralSerf
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Government doesn't tax the people to provide for the people. They tax the people to provide for themselves and enrich their owners.

"We make money the old fashion way. We steal and print it."

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 14:45 | 1591498 MachoMan
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or, more accurately in some instances, to provide an amount just sufficient to placate belligerent attitudes, which keeps the masses from "breaking shit."  (obviously this stuff would not be their own given they don't have much of anything of real value).  I fancy it an apologetic tribute payment...  "I know you ultimately have the final say what transpires, but since you do not know your power, here is the minimum amount of money to make sure that you do not realize this...  ever."

Clearly, the social safety net has little to do with the kindness of our hearts, and virtually everything to do with creating generational dependents and socioeconomically immobile persons.  The paradox of socialism is that production can never occur without the proper incentive.  The paradox of capitalism is that rational actors seek to avoid the normalization of profits by any means necessary.

Tue, 08/23/2011 - 13:45 | 1591033 DosZap
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Well, you can thank the Dems, and the Progressives, and the Marxists for the removal of this type thinking and training,values, and mores.Because they have screwed the entire place up with Something for Nothing Handouts, and teaching marxism to our children.

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