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Guest Post: Where Is The Line For Revolution?

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Submitted by Brandon of Alt-Market,

The subject of revolution is a touchy one.  It’s not a word that should be thrown around lightly, and when it is uttered at all, it elicits a chaotic jumble of opinions and debates from know-it-alls the world over.  The “R” word has been persona non grata for quite some time in America, and until recently, was met with jeers and knee-jerk belligerence.  However, let’s face it; today, the idea is not so far fetched.  We have a global banking system that is feeding like a tapeworm in the stagnant guts of our economy.  We suffer an election system so fraudulent BOTH sides of the political spectrum now represent a hyper-rich minority while the rest of us are simply expected to play along and enjoy the illusion of choice.  We have a judicial body that has gone out of its way to whittle down our civil liberties and to marginalize our Constitution as some kind of “outdated relic”.  We have an executive branch that issues special orders like monarchical edicts every month, each new order even more invasive and oppressive than the last.  And, we have an establishment system that now believes it has the right to surveil the citizenry en masse and on the slightest whim without any consideration for 4th Amendment protections. 

There are plenty of pessimists out there who would assert that Americans are totally oblivious to these developments.  I have not found that to be true at all.  Millions of people are awake to such issues, and millions more are, at the very least, angry at the state of things, though they may not fully understand the source of their distress. 

Only a fool would deny that a fight is in the air…    

Though the atmosphere of conflict is present, we are indeed experiencing a pause, a breath, a quiet moment before the breach, and this is a confusing time for many. 

We human beings have a very odd tendency to view our own species as inherently and irrevocably violent, or at the very least terribly flawed.  However, for all the negative press mankind gets for being “warlike”, if we look back at history it is much more customary to find people desperately trying to avoid conflict, not provoke it, especially if there is an element of tangible risk.  Wars are usually not fought by the general citizenry, or the men who promote the pursuit of hostilities.  They pay other people to fight for them.  If they were ever expected to actually participate in the same battles they lust after, they would probably change their minds about the whole idea rather quickly.

Most often the only instances in which common people take up arms and charge towards combat based on principle have been revolutions.  Some revolutions are based on lies, and some are based on inspiration, but all of them require men to conquer their own apathy and fear of confrontation.  This is no easy task, and it sometimes takes years or decades of social adaptation and organization.

The elements of a revolution are synchronous.  They are like the ingredients of a boiling tropical storm.  Each vital aspect of the event must be in place, or there can be no energy or direction.  That said, if an environment is left sweltering and volatile, and this electric stew is maintained long enough, eventually, a tempest will rise.

The real question is; where is the tipping point?  What causes a population to tolerate or ignore certain crimes by governments, but not others?  Where is the line in the sand that if crossed, turns an apprehensively meek citizen into an “enemy of the state” ready to lay down his life against the very system he was born into?  The answer is an intuitive and psychological one, rather than mathematical.

Colonial Americans suffered through numerous and mounting indignities over the course of many years before taking up arms.  They attempted nearly every method imaginable to counter or reason with British oppression without turning to violent means.  They exhausted every avenue, legal, political, and social.  They held rousing protests.  They decentralized economically and countered British trade controls.  They constructed brilliant legal arguments appealing to the monarchy to embrace logic.  They attempted diplomatic redress after redress.  It was abundantly clear that they did not want a war.  When average Americans consider the revolution that gave birth to our free republic, they tend to forget the long struggle that was necessary to rally support for a declaration of liberties.  No society, no matter how right in their position, and no matter how heinous the tyranny, jumps directly behind the muzzle of a gun to solve the problem.  Revolution takes time…

As difficult as it is to rationally gauge the exact moment or circumstance that triggers revolt, the intensity or build up to conflict can certainly be felt.  That pressure is tactile in America today, and is becoming difficult to ignore.  The reasons are obvious.  In the past 10 years alone elements of our government have cemented into place the “legal” framework to:

  1. Detain U.S. citizens indefinitely without trial under the guise of enemy combatant status.
  2. Assassinate U.S. citizens without trial and without due process under the law, including the very clear requirements of the treason clause.
  3. Confiscate resources, including your private property, in the name of national security and preparedness.
  4. Take control of or eliminate all communications networks including phone, radio, television, cell, internet, etc. in the name of national security.
  5. Unleash a swarm of unmanned Predator Drones over our homes and towns to make mass surveillance of the public easier.  All without probable cause or the protections of the 4th Amendment.
  6. Capture, collate, and monitor the communications of millions of citizens without probable cause or a warrant under the FISA domestic spy bill.
  7. Declare martial law without congressional oversight and embed active serving military amongst the populace in a law enforcement capacity.  This includes the institution of Northcom, which is a standing military presence in the U.S. whose primary mission is to quell domestic dissent.

Most of the laws and executive orders that qualify this behavior from our government have been tested, at least in a limited capacity.   These abuses of power have already galvanized a groundswell of activists across the country, and I believe that if implemented in a broader manner, will instigate revolution.  Where is the line?  I believe the line will be drawn with these trespasses:

  1. Any action that involves the standardization of indefinite detainment or rendition against American citizens will result in rebellion.  The second due process is thrown out the window and the right to a trial by jury is revoked, there is not much left for a population to do but fight back.  This includes pre-emptive assassination as well.  The more often enemy combatant status is applied to get around Constitutional protections, the more exponential public anger and fury will be.  Black bagging people will lead to war.
  2. Economic mismanagement or deliberate derailment by banks has been accomplished with the aid and collusion of government.  This has been made abundantly clear by numerous instances of exposed fraud, including the Libor Scandal, in which the private Federal Reserve and agencies within our own system have openly admitted to hiding the precarious nature of our financial situation.  Any further implosion of the overall economy will be blamed on this fraud by a considerable portion of the public.  When people’s wallets and bellies become empty, it’s amazing how quickly they will get off their couches to solve a crisis.  If they can’t find justice within the system, history has shown that they will look for justice outside of it.
  3. The institution of checkpoints, invasive technology like naked body scanners, and exaggerated law enforcement presence on a wide scale, will invariably lead to revolt.  Dealing with TSA thugs in an airport is one thing; people fly voluntarily, and when they do it often involves a particular level of fear and anxiety, which can be used as rationalization for extreme security measures.  Dealing with blue-shirts on the streets near your home, at the bus stop, or on the highway, on the other hand, is not going to go over too well.  These tactics have already been experimented with on a small scale.  I don’t care how sheepish the American people appear to be in this era; start invading their personal space on a regular basis and many will eventually respond with fists instead of shrugged shoulders.
  4. Predator drone fleets hovering over every square mile of the U.S. is not only completely unacceptable, it is going to escalate dissent into the realm of revolution.  Any society that harbors even the slightest morsel of individualism is going to think “expedient regime change” when flying surveillance cameras are buzzing over their shoulders 24 hours a day.  Set aside the fact that many of these drones will be launched weapons capable.  No government has the right to categorize the whole of a citizenry as potential criminals.  “When innocent until proven guilty” becomes “guilty until proven innocent”, revolutions become inevitable.
  5. Martial Law is an impractical solution to any national crisis.  The Founding Fathers understood this well, which is why they specifically opposed the use of standing armies, especially in peace time.  Under the Constitution, the private citizenry was supposed to be the disaster reaction force, not government paid centurions.  There were multiple reasons behind this position.  First, military troops are not trained for and do not have the capacity to police a domestic population (especially their own) in a practical manner.  They are trained to do one thing; dominate an enemy.  Second, the citizens within a particular state or county would have a much better understanding of that region’s needs and complexities.  A military composed of mostly unfamiliar outsiders would not know or care about how a local system operates, and would instead try to impose its own one-size-fits-all methodology.  Finally, as apathetic as many people seem, they still do not like to feel bullied or subjugated.  Being surrounded by armed troops at every turn with the executive granted legal authority to detain or kill without verifiable cause would make any man a little perturbed.  I do not believe many in the U.S. will quietly accept a martial law scenario, regardless of the excuse given by government (terrorism, economic disaster, foreign war, etc.).  A move towards military administration of domestic affairs will lead to revolution.

The internal strife of a nation is not predicated on the transitory moods of its people but the attitude of its government.  Revolutions are not waged by happy men in an honorable land.  True revolutions are a product of generations of discontent stemming from dishonest and vicious bureaucracy.  An establishment government facing a wave of discord from the masses has, in most cases, done something to deserve it.  I, like many, do not relish the idea of a new American revolt, but if I am to be honest in the face of the facts, I have to acknowledge that the potential for one within my lifetime is significant.  I also can’t say that it is not necessary.  Unless tomorrow brings a miraculous shift in current totalitarian trends, revolution may be all we have left…


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Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:43 | 2634028 jeff314
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american are too fat and stupid to revolt...


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:52 | 2634057 Michael
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When the cognitive dissonance dam breaks and the birth place deniers widely accept that Obama's birth certificate is 100% fraudulent. Can compulsive lier ever accept reality? People who can't accept the fact is easy to label as a lier.

Yesterday's Maracopa County news conference;

Breaking News: Sheriff Arpaio Concludes Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:15 | 2634095 engineertheeconomy
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Criminal #1, "Axis of Evil" Bernanke, says Fed Transparency would "collapse the economy", attacks Ron Pauls "Audit the Fed" Bill. Ol Ron is leading the Revolution, apparently the "line" starts behind him. 

Wake up Zerohedge/Tyler

You're falling asleep at the wheel here.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:27 | 2634169 FEDbuster
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Here is another one for his list:

#6 Any attempt to confiscate guns or limit the ownership of by the American people as guaranteed in the Second Amendment will at this point lead to some sort of mass rebellion.

I know many people at this point whom would rather use it, than lose it.  That's about all I have to say about that.  Molon Labe!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:36 | 2634207 General Decline
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I hope you're right but I really doubt it.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:58 | 2634447 ATM
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That's why Paul Revere made his ride. The British were coming  - to confiscate the chowda-heads weapons. That got those boys in Lexington and Concord pretty pissed off as I recall.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:26 | 2634611 New World Chaos
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Gun confiscation really is the final line in the sand.  Must keep the guns for the big fight.

The ones who shoot first will lose.  Let the government do the first (large scale) shooting.  It will help destroy the illusion of legitimacy among the sheeple and the few "good" but brainwashed cops.  There will have to be a Tiennamen and an
activation of the FEMA camps.  Ten thousand deaths, bare minimum.  This will also make it harder for NWO stooges to rewrite history after the revolution and claim that the government never intended to use the FEMA camps, large concrete coffins, 450 million DHS hollowpoints, etc.  Let each family's story prove otherwise.  Future generations must know that TPTB are evil and willful ignorance of this fact is an invitation to be sacrificed.

Mega bonus points if the spark comes after a hyperinflationary collapse.  A lot of people will never think until hunger forces them to, and a lot of bureaucrats and contractors won't work for the National Security State if they're paid in toilet paper.  States may decide that it is no longer worth chasing worthless Federal funds that come with all the usual puppet strings attached.  There won't be anyone supporting the system in hopes of getting a worthless Social Security or pension check.  A few retired cops might even join the resistance simply because of vaporized pensions.  (Forget about twisted jokes like "Rule of Law", "Justice", "Patriotism", or "Protect and Serve" as motivation for cops.  Revenge will have to do).  Plus, it will be harder for the revisionists to claim that a few regulatory tweaks could have saved the system if not for those goddamn rightwing terrorists.  The endgame of systemic fraud must be as undeniable as ten million bathrooms wallpapered with certificates of confiscation and worthless dollars.

The victory conditions include a renaissance of freedom, all conspiracies revealed, the  NWO in flames, and nobody trusting the elites again for hundreds of years.  I would consider it a great victory if a peaceful transformation of consciousness is all it takes, but the end state is not negotiable.  If all the realistic paths to that goal involve a massacre followed by guillotines, then that must come.

I think there will be a lot of deluded hordes lashing out at the wrong targets, like "rich" engineers.  This is a carefully planned trap for the productive class.  There will be a lot of false flags, race- baiting, narcing for fiat, communities turned against themselves by desperation and carefully manipulated anger.  Wisdom will be as essential, and scarce, as Mad Max gasoline.

I think the revolution will be decided by veterans fighting Feds, Blackwater and cops.  City cops in particular are carefully selected for gangsterism.  If there is any doubt about what side the cops will be on, look what happened when the Albuquerque police union enacted $500 "stress" payments whenever cops shot someone.

Shootings surged by 400%.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:31 | 2634782 eatthebanksters
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Bill Ayers (Obama's non-buddy) was involved in contingency planning for just this type of event....look up 'Prairie Fire'...there is an FBI file on it...

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:16 | 2634849 New World Chaos
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Good links on Prairie Fire and Obama's extensive relationship with Ayers:

The last section is chilling.  Funny how the "opposite" ends of the spectrum feed off each other, use the same methods, and end up at the same mass grave for the people and the same worship of the predatory State.  Geez, it's almost like they are puppets of the same evil power.

"And there was no answers. No one had given any thought to economics; how are you going to clothe and feed these people.

The only thing that I could get, was that they expected that the Cubans and the North Vietnamese and Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States.

They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education centers in the southwest, where we would take all the people who needed to be re-educated into the new way of thinking and teach them... how things were going to be.

I asked, well, what's going to happen to those people that we can't re-educate; that are die-hard capitalists. And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill. 25 million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious."

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:17 | 2635178 Dr Benway
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Once we reach that stage there are no winners, you fools! Only losers caught in mayhem..


Look it is super simple. Just do NOT do the following:

have DEBT



If everyone were to follow these simple suggestions, the banksters would fall immediately.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:14 | 2635303 dark pools of soros
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Remember the Kulaks!!

TPTB have many more tricks from history to use when things get darker...  they will turn the urbans against the local farmers in slander campaigns since the best chance for revolutions are for towns that can sustain themselves to just buck the whole system..  some states may be able to turn the trick as well but that's where the armies will invade..  as for the others, they'll let the big city zombies devour the few counties that could be free

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:36 | 2634793 Anusocracy
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When governments become tyrannical, good people become outlaws.   Unknown

We will soon see how many good people there are left.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:50 | 2634820 Anusocracy
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"Know thy self, know thy enemy. A thousand battles, a thousand victories."  Sun Tzu

Any guesses on who or what the enemy is? And no, don't reference Pogo.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:53 | 2634827 illyia
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As long a the sheeple are comfortable in their homes with soothingly repetitive music (most often thirty years old) and television - and facebook - they will consider revolution to be some wild-eyed scheme of mad hippies looking to "take down the man". A family's home is his/her castle and as long as the majority believe they are secure in their homes there will be no rebellion. (It helps to convince the sheeple that it is only the slackers, who were free-loading, that are losing out - and that "if you work hard enough you can make it". That way it's "those people" - not like us!)

Propaganda. They can't live without it.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:23 | 2635123 Element
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Haven't you seen enough misguided 'revolt' by ignorant self-destructive radicalised (i.e. mind-fucked and manipulated) retrograde idiots within the 'Arab Spring' saga/farce, to realise that if you don't have a really good reason to be actually upset, and don't mind having no material capacity to support yourself, or of being very dead, then best not make things worse.

The reality is that in the end we will have to deal with this moth-eaten destroyed globalist system, via the re-establishment of orderly people's justice, and due formalities, or else we will actually get something much worse than a mere revolution.

A revolution is like a very destructive storm, exciting, dangerous, frightening, but mostly not too bad.

But what will be bad, is what follows the storm (think Katrina times 100). 

If you feel you're all dissatisfied with life now, well that is the bit that you really won't like to live through (and you probably won't) and soon will be hankering for the good-life of mid-2012.

This system may be rotten to the core, but you are an integral part of it.  Don't kid yourself, when it goes down, it's going to fall on you.

But more importantly, what exactly do you have against 30-year old music?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 05:27 | 2635080 AnAnonymous
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The ones who shoot first will lose. Let the government do the first (large scale) shooting.


US citizens run a business of extorting the weak, farming the poor.

In such schemes, performing gun jobs is not a sign of lack of legitimacy. The opposite, actually.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:48 | 2636637 akak
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Tapeworms, tapioca and tornadoes: Chinese Citizenism made manifest.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 19:37 | 2638004 XitSam
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As to the Mega bonus points paragraph:  The State will guarantee the safety of State Security Forces and their families, in Green Zones if necessary. And guarantee appropriate payment to compensate for inflation.  Survival of the State is paramount to the State.  

Also, from my reading on starvation, people will not start to think in the bigger way I think you mean. All they will be thinking about is how to get some food.

Sat, 07/21/2012 - 00:34 | 2638366 goldfish1
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We've been in the pot and the water is finally getting hot. Too weak to jump out.

Been observing the price of detergent. Take Arm and Hammer. They have been gradually reducing the container size while gradually raising the price. Every detergent sale at a supermarket brings in the new smaller containers and the small increased price. The price of detergent has doubled in the past four years.

Same with stuff like triscuit crackers, non white bread and prepackaged bakery items. Quality's getting cheaper as price increases.

Perhaps it may collapse in a hurry. But it could just as easily have a gradually increasing downhill slide over the next ten revolution...only poverty for a lot more people.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:01 | 2634435 bankruptcylawyer
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OKOK OKOKOKOK THERE needs to be some serious discussion of the right to bear arms and it's MODERN relavance to a revolutionary moment. 

while i am MORE than willing to acknowledge the 'importance' of this right as a funamental bullwark against govenrment encroachment, there are far too many conservatives out there who think that this right is going to be some big issue. in fact, alex jones and every other website catering to the gun wingers emphasizes this 'threat' nonstop. 

they're wrong and here's why. 

1) they don't need your guns to take away your money. in colonial america, gold and prescious metals and BARTER were common for daily generation of wealth used to feed families. families also made more of their own consumed items. horses were used. THIS IS NO LONGER. they can take away your money and your gasoline and your gunpowder without coming for your guns. you can have a whole casch of kalashnikovs but you need ammo, gunpowder, gasoline, to resist the government. BEFORE the government cuts you off from ammo, gunpowder, and gas, they will TAKE your money by hyper inflation.

2) guns are not an organizing force despite the fact that the right to bear arms is a gathering call for the far right, GUNS are not a collective movement. MILITIAS are a collective movement. MILTIAS are being effectively targeted by government. The right to bear arms without the effective right to state miilitias is more or less meaningless. 20 men with guns can accomplish a lot. any group this large needs a right to exist openly to become powerful. the government spies on militias and , for the most part, has effectively squashed the many rights to organized gun ownership.

that said ---guns and knives!!! hell yea!

by the way----I am not here just to be critical. i have some ideas. funamental to  the long winding road towards a real revolution, is developing effective resistance against the machine. the machine is huge. you will not have a revolution of the 'mob' against the machine. an organized revolution against the machine requires legal organization. there is only ONE way to organize against the machine. as a classical liberal it pains me that 'liberals' cannot accept that the only bulwark against federal power is STATE power and not federal statism. no one is going to 'take over' the federal government. the federal goverment is going to change. and the only way to force revolutionary change on the federal govenrment is to bait the federal government into assymetric conflict with state governments. head on conflict favors the fed. i'm advocating guerilla style legal tactics ---baiting federal government into obstructive legal behavior by the states. for example changing STATE constitituions to favor STATE authority over federal authority, to hamper federal authority, to bleed the federal govenrment of its effective deployment of resources, to make it more expensive and time cnomsuming for the IRS to conduct business of taxation, to hamper the usage of federal courts rather than state courts. 

and for all the people who are conservatives and get annoyed with 'liberals'. remember that VERMONT is one of the only states with constitutional right to carry. and has NO restrictions on concealed carry. so if you wanna walk around with a gun all day without a 50 dollar fee and registration approval. go to vermont. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:07 | 2634468 FEDbuster
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Regarding Vermont, we have the same freedoms here in AZ.

I won't debate you on points 1 & 2 on the internet, but suffice to say people have stockpiled survival items including ammo, gasoline, etc... and there are militias public and private.

I do agree that there are many ways to "skin a cat", and please continue to share your ideas with us.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:12 | 2634480 DeltaDawn
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"The right to bear arms without the effective right to state miilitias is more or less meaningless."

When the guns were confiscated in N.O. after Katrina, households were robbed and women raped, sometimes by the police officers according to some accounts. A gun matters in a home burglery, a campus shooting binge, etc.  

Also, take away guns, thugs will use bats, kitchen knives etc.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:12 | 2635154 Element
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Nonesense, almost all of those claims are urban myths and rumors, they have been shown to have been largely false, and were spread (if not actually concocted) by the MSM.  They were bullshit then, and they are bullshit when people repeat them now.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:21 | 2637079 Stares straight...
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The article is very disturbing. It speaks volumes on the MSM.


A lot of talk of revolution on ZH.  I can't see it happening. Who really will take the first step?

Theoretically speaking, of course, a revolution would have to look entirely different, than traditional revolutions.  There are too many obstacles to overcome.

I see similarities between the pre-revolutionary, independently-printed, anonomously-authored, political "tracts" circulated among the american colonists and the internet today.  Gives me a little hope, at least.




Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:16 | 2634622 Dick Buttkiss
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Sorry, but our guns aren't for use against the government; they're for defending ourselves against each other when government collapse looses anarchy upon the land.

Civilization has a very thin veneer, after all, especially civilization of the urban-industrial sort, as a few days without water, food, or electricity will make painfully clear.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:58 | 2634733 machinegear
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By your logic there must be a clear line drawn defining the point "when government collapses" before we can use "our" guns. Hopefully you understand such a line would continuously be redefined by the very same government? Your logic fails because you assume government is good, that government isn't made up of men, and that these men are the purest of all.


"When governments fear the people, there is liberty..." - TJ

Sat, 07/21/2012 - 00:53 | 2638376 goldfish1
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you assume government is good, that government isn't made up of men, and that these men are the purest of all.

There are no such assumptions made in the above post. When people are going hungry, they aren't looking for the "government men"....they're looking for food. If that hapens to be in your house, you might be better off with a gun. Government men are holed up in bunkers or protecting their own food.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:09 | 2634754 Tijuana Donkey Show
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You get my vote, as the govt will let everyone fight it out, then deal with the survivors. That's why in NO they let it sit for a few days, then "helped". My advice, learn a martial art, and stay in shape. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:49 | 2635032 AnAnonymous
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Sorry, but our guns aren't for use against the government; they're for defending ourselves against each other when government collapse looses anarchy upon the land.


Ah, an unusual sincerity outbreak.

Well, in US citizenism, guns serve the underlined purpose but keep on the page: US citizenism includes concealing it under the veil of fight from tyranny, fight for freedom.

Dont break the mask, it could cost you your life.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:11 | 2635171 Element
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Ok, you continually claim to point-out what US Citizenism is.

One question; what isn't 'US Citizenism'?

Because it seems that ANYTHING anyone says, you'll assert that its all a recognisable aspect, characteristic or symptom of 'US Citizenism'.

It's all quite retarded.  

In the time you've been shitting within the comments section at zh with your Sino drivel, you've said almost nothing of any merit at all.

But you keep saying this same idiotic garbage each day.

So my guess is you're an experimental text algo, with an exceptionally under-developed library of words, phrases and logic structures.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:09 | 2636652 akak
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So my guess is you're an experimental text algo, with an exceptionally under-developed library of words, phrases and logic structures.

I think you have hit the nail squarely on the foot  here.

Expect no answer from the Chinese trollbot.

Make me laugh!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 14:06 | 2637014 bankruptcylawyer
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the string of thoughtless loners. people who think the govenrment will just collapse and that because of the anarchic power vaccum that they will just accept happily the crappy world that results from accepting collapse. 

yes, these are the people that will never not in a million years help a revolution. If you are not interested in participating in a group, like a state government, or local militia that is not merely a drug-gang. than you and your guns will be useless to any group that seeks to challenge the power structure and to keep society honest. 


an individual in their house with one gun cannot stop a crime wave, cannot hold individuals accountable by a just method, I mean, you have all these alex jonesers out there that think that 'society' is going to vanish in a zombie apocolypse. go ahead and lock yourself in your own little world. a world where oligarchs and others will continue making your decisions, a world where walmart and trade lobbies rob you of your industries and where you buy their cheap crap at walmart. 


the gun 'nuts' traditionally fall into the self isolationaism mold. They're going to protect themselves and their familes as they should fine. i dont' want to hurt your feelings by criticising this instinct becaseu it is the Correct instinct and at the very least, makes you progressive by not realying on the state for protection. HOWEVER this threat was about revolution-----and you and your gun won't make a difference if your brain isn't thoughtful of the idea that you play a part in rebellion not by simply waiting for things to collapse just like all the passive sheep out there who DONT have any guns---but that you go out there and do something . without...or preferablly WITH guns. 


then again----maybe things are so far gone that it's too much to hope that gun 'wingers' change their outlook and start thinking about how they can actively help tear down the machine instead of merely praying for the apocolypse while prepping for it. 

I am not here to antagonize for its own sake. But if you revolutionaries out there are going to accomplish anything, you need to honest with yourselves no? what can you do alone? not much more than anyone else without guns. its NOT the guns that are dangerous to the machine per se. It's the people. and this is precisely why the right to bear arms , while not sufficient to challenge power, is a canary in the coal mine. when you see it being attacked you should think beyond it. why are they attacking it, and what is it about their position that is vulnerable. and you realize, their position relies on your complaceny, it doesn't rely on you  not having guns as an individual, but rather their right to divide and conquer small groups of well armed and tightly knit commmuities. 


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:22 | 2634663 Tristan Ludlow
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Interesting concepts and probably a practical way to eventually reduce the power of the federal government.  However, I am afraid that time has passed.  The states learned quickly how to suckle at the teat of federal government.  Once hooked, you can never go back without significant detox.

As far as the effectiveness of states slowing down IRS agents from collecting the money using the courts, I say a few well placed pieces of lead would have the same effect in very short order. 

The context of the article is, at what point, will this happen.  Quite frankly, there are so many militias coming on line, the feds will not be able to incapacitate them all.  We are very close to the tipping point.  The triggering event cannot be too far off.  The 4th Turning may yet come to pass.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:05 | 2634995 sadmamapatriot
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I've thought about some of what you said. But wouldn't refinery rich, oil well rich places like Louisiana, Texas, and Oklahoma be subject to seizure by the rebels to get the necessary gasoline? It has an expiration life but the other stuff can be and is stockpiled. In fact, supplies are always seized in war. And this time, the South and the middle have plenty of aces in their hands with regards to assets. Texas alone could even do it. War by atrition won't work in their favor this time.

And I don't know what legal battles will do for us now. The Tenth Amendment is dead, SCOTUS said grace over its coffin. So why would States take the Feds to court accomplish anything? The game is rigged. No, we are looking at hot war, nothing less.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:58 | 2634839 Oldballplayer
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As my Dad said as he lay dying in the hospital: That DNR was a helluva lot easier to sign a month ago....

It's easy to talk about firing on the establishment. Not sure if many have the balls to do it.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:05 | 2634851 SeverinSlade
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All I can say is come get mine.  You come knockin' at my door and smoke will be leaving the barrel one way or another.  I may not be standing at the end of the confrontation, but the government thugs sure as shit won't be either.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:11 | 2634855 Yamaha
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This is correct. Plan on this....
1) Food Storage
2) Home Security -
3) 2nd Amendmen guns
4) PM only used by those that survive.

Seen Smith & Wesson earnings up 28% last quarter? Will be higher this quarter. Ask a gun store.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:23 | 2634926 dracos_ghost
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UN Small Arms Treaty. Obama is already do an end around on the 2nd Ammendment.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:53 | 2634280 clawfoot tub
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Ben Shalom is hardly criminal #1. He is merely playing his role, doing his job, a distraction for the sheep's venom.

Who hired him?

And where was your hero Ron Paul when he had the opportunity to question Obama's eligibility? In fact, where is he today on that?

Surely you know that your hero's son Rand endorsed Romney, and that Romney is on the record saying that once elected he will defer US ME strategy to Israel.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:31 | 2634379 Tirpitz
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Only the planning -- the execution, maimings and traumata will be left for our boys.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:19 | 2634654 mkkby
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When the US "goes Greece" the revolution will start.  Why am I so sure?  Look at all the inner city zombies living on welfare cards, section 8 housing, free health care and everything else.  When that gets cut off, what will they do?  Starve quietly?  Sorry, but no.

Bread and circuses is keeping the sheeple fed and occupied.  When the money runs out, the cities will burn.



Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:11 | 2634759 Tijuana Donkey Show
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They will starve in their neighborhood, because the bus and gas stations will be out, and most people can't walk into Walmart from the parking lot. SoylentSNAP anyone? 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:28 | 2634779 eatthebanksters
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Die Free or Live...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:06 | 2634109 Hmm...
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When the cognitive dissonance dam breaks and the birth place deniers widely accept that Obama's birth certificate is 100% fraudulent.

I'm assuming you mean that birth place deniers are those that believe Obama was born in Hawaii?

well, those of us who believe Obama was born in Hawaii would NEVER believe a racist piece of shit who lives in Arizona who has a press conference to keep himself in the public's eyes.  Especially not over the Governor of Hawaii and everybody else who's actually seen the darn thing.

most of us simply don't believe that there was this massive plot to find a Kenyan, raise him as a secret muslim terrorist, and then sneak him into Hawaii and the US, and have him pretend to be a Christian American so that he could eventually go to Harvard Law School and win the Presidency bringing Communism and islam to America.  ESPECIALLY since he was born in a time when NOBODY thought a black man could be President.  It just strains credibility.  My god!

So: NONE of us "birth deniers" will EVER believe Obama is a Kenyan.

BUT EVEN IF YOU COULD CONVINCE US: we would not care enough to have a revolution.  most people would shrug their shoulders and say "wow."

Just like NOBODY cared that JOHN MCCAIN was not born in America (born in Panama), and GEORGE ROMNEY was born in MEXICO.

Where was the Revolution when McCain almost won?  hmm???

NOBODY will go through a revolution over this.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:18 | 2634147 knightowl77
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I do not know where Obama was born...In his 1st book Bio, it claimed he was born in Kenya. He didn't refute that. When running for the Senate the first time he did not refute the charge that he was foreign born. When he applied to Occidental, he applied as a "foreign" student. Will I join a revolution over this - No...But I do think there is enough that someone a little higher up than a County Sheriff should investigate once and for all. There is more evidence that his birth certificate is fraudulent than there is that 9-11 was inside job, but nobody tells the 9-11 truthers to shut up....


You do not know most people, so quit assuming you can speak for anyone outside your high school clique

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 01:00 | 2634907 Oracle of Kypseli
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The cerificate was forged by someone who was thinking that once you scan a pdf allyou have is just a picture. However, there are hidden elements in the background.

Does anyone of you know that when you take a picture with your phone the digital file of the picture has the GPS location embedded and can be determined where it was taken? Police solves crimes like that.

So next time you kidnapp someone and send proof of life you are toast. Polaroid anyone?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:39 | 2634217 CoolBeans
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Yeah, OK fine - but that leaves the Marxist Dictator part.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:56 | 2634291 Bob
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Hmmm, your "vote" counter is out of order.  Again. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:50 | 2634724 ZeroAvatar
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Yes, I noticed that as well. Very strange.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:53 | 2634828 Saro
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Happens when the first words in a post are italicized.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 19:51 | 2638033 XitSam
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Blockquote not italic! for the umpteenth time

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:09 | 2634316 Michael
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I'm assuming you mean that birth place deniers are those that believe Obama was born in Hawaii?

Yes. Obama birth place deniers are just like Holocaust deniers. This has nothing to do with any hypothetical situation. It has to do with national security and not letting constitutionally ineligible people become POTUS. That's all.

Just the facts man.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:26 | 2634518 vast-dom
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who the fuck cares where he was born? it's not the only law he's breaking. hell, if he was doing a good job at this stage of the game, i wouldn't give a fuck if he was from another galaxy! 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:03 | 2634614 Michael
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It's the law!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2634669 mkkby
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That's a pretty fucking stupid attitude.  Doing a good job means honoring his oath to protect and defend the constitution.  The fact that he isn't even qualified to be a senator according to that constitution means he is trashing it by simply being in office.  And indeed he's trashed every important right except for the 2nd amendment (so far).

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 05:29 | 2635077 HardAssets
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Its the U S Constitution; heard of it ?   Were supposed to have a nation of laws not one based on the whims of men. Yeah, we don't have these things, they were stolen from us, but attitudes & ignorance like yours wont get it back.

Maybe you just meant to be funny with the galaxy crack. For that reason I gave you the benefit of the doubt and didnt down vote you.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 05:38 | 2635086 AnAnonymous
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Well, from the start, the US of A has been a story of selective application of the rule of law.

The possibility that Obama was born in Kenyan only reinforces the US citizen character of his presidency.

You know, US citizens are those people who started by declaring freedom an unalienable human right and kept slaves.

Born in Kenyan looks dwarfish when it comes to selective perception.

The US has always been a country of selective application of law. You might have selective application of law with Obama. So what do you lament about?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:07 | 2636728 akak
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So in other words, the  founders and people of the USA have not been perfect in the application of their founding principles of liberty (unlike the Chinese founding priniciples of despotism , whch have been applied with near-perfection throughout the last 2300+ years).  So condemn us for being human. 

How very hypocritical, yet how typical, how very Chinese citizenismistic of you.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:33 | 2634544 grey7beard
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>> Obama birth place deniers are just like Holocaust deniers.

What a complete jackass statement.  You deserve no more acknowledgement that that. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:14 | 2634998 sadmamapatriot
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Dude, get the sarcasm please. Michael's post history speaks for itself. He's one of the good guys.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 19:53 | 2638039 XitSam
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"Obama birth place deniers are just like Holocaust deniers." Oh, stop with the fucking bullshit lies.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:06 | 2634322 ACP
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I wonder if Arpaio would still be considered a racist if Obama were white and 12 million Swedes had snuck into the US to take advantage of public services here in the US? My guess is no.

But hey, whatever. No one needs a valid excuse to call someone a racist nowadays, especially someone who actually enforces laws that the federal government won't.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 20:01 | 2638051 XitSam
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Arpaio has cost Maricopa County over $40 Million dollars in lawsuit payments because he failed to supervise his jail deputies in how to NOT kill prisoners. He's a senile, good old boy (in the worst southern sense of the phrase), publicity hound. He needs constant adulation and praise to inflate his ego. He is a jackass of the First Order.

I live in his jurisdiction.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:10 | 2634328 Chief KnocAHoma
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@Hmm... first McCain was born overseas to military parents who were actively serving the US,


Second - you are most likely correct that Obama was born in Hawaii, so why did he apply for federal college aide as Kenyan born? Why did his publicist promote him as Kenyan born and he never bothered to correct that?

Let me answer that last one - He is a lying sack of dog poo that can no longer distinguish the truth from all the massive pile of shit lies he has told in his effort to execute his plan of the greater good. 

In a way I feel really sorry for the poor bastard because stupid fucking ass holes who were more concerned about fashion and his coolness placed him in an office he has no business holding. The dumb ass electorate fucked him by throwing him in the deep end of the pool and expecting him to pump out more welfare and socialist bullshit than the system can produce - result - he sinks and goes down in history as THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:16 | 2634343 CoolBeans
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Really - Owebama has committed fraud at least once.

I am counting the days and continue to pray for a new president.


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:30 | 2635664 Redhotfill
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"Stan you have to understand douchebag always beats turd sandwich"  Randy Marsh

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:13 | 2634336 CoolBeans
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-100 for "Hmm"

Only 'cuz I can't seem to give you a polite down vote for some reason this evening (system problem) and so out of frustration from multiple attempts, you get the above referenced score.  Sorry.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:31 | 2634532 JOYFUL
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U put in a credible performance here recently, and had established yurself as a quick study in fight club it's puzzling to see yu give it all up just as quickly for a cheap shot ad hom of the kind that has no place on these pages Hmm...

I can't imagine how yur going to recover from a lowball shit-flinging exercise like this bud...and it's not possible to suppose that yur blocking of the vote meter is any longer accidental.

In fact, the tactics and approach yu use here tonite remind me in no small way of those of yur iconic "black[sic] president", whose willingness to break every pledge and use every dirty trick to cling to power is setting new levels of sleaze in what was already a sleazy bizness...

yu claim to be a physician...well yu better heal yurself, because the body blow yu have delivered to the credibility of yurself and yur alien god tonite betokens the presence of a swaggering, arrogant fool whose only ability is to put foot in mouth so far that it's stickin out the other orifice right now.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:49 | 2634579 El Oregonian
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Well most can argue back and forth ad nausem on O's history. He is the one who has spent MY TAX DOLLARS hiding his records. Hey, NOBODY spends Millions hiding your backround... Unless... UNLESS there is something to hide...

Short and sweet... He's a lying commie son-of-a-bitch whore and your a dumbass...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:13 | 2634132 Row Well Number 41
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This argument was lost in 2008 and will change nothing in 2012.  Focus on what he has done since getting into office, there is plenty of better ammo there.



Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:53 | 2634433 Winston Churchill
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The problem is where he currently lives,not where he was born.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:18 | 2634145 Dr. Sandi
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It doesn't matter if 'they' prove conclusively that Obama is a shape-shifting space alien, not a god-damned thing is going to be done about it.

Just lie back and think of the Bill of Rights.

Breaking News: Dr. Sandi Concludes Sheriff Arpaio is a Self-Aggrandizing Asshole.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:24 | 2634168 yabyum
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Dr Sandi, I guess th epop up to the left proves it. I think so.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:08 | 2634318 Bob
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Maybe.  Before the Kenyan thing, though, I saw him as one sick fucking preening sadist who takes pride in having inmates wearing pink underwear and suffering every other indignity that strikes his fancy.

Must be so hot to bend over the POTUS!

But surely, being so law and order and all, he's pushing back against the banksters' illegal foreclosurers and such?  Nope.  

Yeah, self aggrandizing asshole.   


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 05:46 | 2635093 HardAssets
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Ad Hominem Attack - that is, a logical fallacy/attack of an individual rather than their argument "Against the Man"

The real question is - - - how credible is the evidence presented by the team of ex police detectives

The graphical evidence I've seen is very convincing that the 'birth certificate' is a fake. Others who are computer

graphics experts have come to the same conclusion.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:15 | 2635128 Bob
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It was meant to be "ad hominem", replying to the issue raised about Sheriff Joe the man.  Didn't leave the track it was started on. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:34 | 2634388 Michael
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They really think they can fool all the people all the time.

Obama birth place deniers with OBPD syndrome are clinical liers.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:16 | 2634868 Tommy Gunner
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As a non-American I always chuckle when fools argue about Obama's birth certificate and meanwhile your corporations pay no taxes - your political parties are owned by these same corporations and their lobbyists - you have no jobs - no future - not hope

And you natter amongst yourselves about a birth certificate as if that is the source of your troubles.

Most of you are fools - and as fools you get the government you deserve. 

Hope you enjoy the ride into the sewer. 


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:23 | 2635001 sadmamapatriot
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Yeah, fuck you, too, asshole. I've got plenty of bitch inside of me to complain about that goddam lying usurper AND the banksters. It is not an either/or situation. But what really pisses me off is when foreigners like yourself want to jump in like a nosy neighbor inserting himself into a family squabble. Go complain to your own countrymen.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:01 | 2635103 HardAssets
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Your 'argument' makes no sense. It would be as though you said "who cares about rape ?  Afterall, women get murdered every year "

Its a matter of restoring the Republic - based on law, rather than the whims of mere men. Do you even know why those particular requirements were put in the US Constitution ?   And do you know the implications & impact of someone ineligible being POTUS who has issued all sorts of executive orders ? You likely have never even read our Constitution. - -   If not a nation restored to that of laws, it all comes down to 'might equals right' and in world (and US) history that has too often been the case. What paradise on earth do you come from ?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:03 | 2635115 AnAnonymous
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Restoring the republic?

But the republic is intact. It is the same as in the good old days.

By fabricating the fantasical fable of a past when the rule of law was not applied selectively in the US, you are harming the republic and showing hatred to it.

The republic has always been a story of selective application of the law. From the beginning. With US citizens rationalizing their selective application of the law.

So what?

See the republic as it has always been and you wont be entangled in the fantasy of restoring something that has never been corrupted, tainted or whatever.

Oh, wait, you are a US citizen, forget about that, you need fantasy to mediate between you and reality.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:20 | 2635130 HardAssets
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I know all about American history and have no illusions about that. Do you know much about world history ?  In the past, 'human beings' didn't have rights. Kings had rights, lords had rights - - - but not so much the common people. 'America' was an idea - that this could be different. Unfortunately, from almost the beginning - imperfect human beings corrupted that idea and ideal, for their own purposes. Government does that when it is allowed to grow too big. It is best when it is small and local, thus more observable and made more accountable. - - -  But tell me, what wonderful vision for humanity do you propose ?  And what paradise on earth are you a citizen of ? How has your own country produced the ideal ?

BTW - I'm an American citizen and a citizen of my state. I'm not a UNITED STATES citizen, (which has caused so much trouble). But you don't have a clue about the significance of any of that do you ?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:25 | 2635139 AnAnonymous
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If you have no illusion about the past of the US, why do you dip into the "restore the republic" lines?

The US of A has always been about selective application of laws. If Obama is not born in the US, nothing wrong there for him to become a president. Selective application of law.

Other countries? Non sequitur. You want to restore the republic in those other countries?

They have prevented the US from acting according their creed? The US is the mightier country in the world. The weak does not coerce the strong. The strong does.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:53 | 2635156 HardAssets
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Youre full of shit. You talk about flawed, corrupt human beings in America - - - but give no examples of where human beings are angels on other places on this earth. Pray tell me of your wonderful country where laws are applied equally and justly for all, never selectively.

"America' and 'the Republic' are ideas for our citizens to be inspired by.

I cannot stand the moronic flag waving of airheaded 'patriots' who know nothing about this country. They support actions in the name of 'America' that run counter to her ideals. These ideals include a nation with a government that is as small, local, observable, and accountable as possible - and which has a prime purpose that is the protection of her citizens' individual Liberty to make what they want of their own lives, as granted by the Creator. And, to defend ourselves - but mind our own damned business in the world. To, at most, be an example and inspiration for others to follow , or not - as they choose for themselves.

These are all ideals, and we have not lived up to them. And no one else has either. But people need ideals. They stopped even teaching them around the early 1900s in America. This was done purposely. Ideas such as these were found to be very dangerous by those who had their own selfish agenda.

Maybe you don't know this  . . . but there are good people in this country who don't like what has been done without our approval, but in our name.  And quite a few of us actually know all about American and world history.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:54 | 2635160 AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh. US citizen nature is eternal.

You are the one claiming that the republic has to be restored. So you are the one knowing that place where the rule of law was applied in a non selective manner. Not me.

Turning tables.

And yes, that is human nature. It has to be.

But what are you moaning about? If it is human nature, what do you want? What do you reproach US citizen president with?
And you cant answer that he is not born in the US and therefore uneligible for presidential office since remember, it is all human nature. And the negro in Washington is a human being, right?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:03 | 2635165 HardAssets
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Youre not really interested in inquiry or debate just -

"Americans bad . . . . everyone else good . . . though I can't give an example of where and how other human beings are more perfect and wise"

A waste of keystrokes and time

We get it . . . you don't like America/Americans . . . . just because


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:11 | 2635169 Ghordius
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HardAssets, our (probably Asian) friend here is using the label "US citizenship" in an own fashion. He does not like the word "Westerner" and also not "First World". Anyway, his critique is not aimed at the specific US citizen, more at the imperialist-consumerist-entitled-whinyness in general - for lack of better words.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 13:31 | 2636850 akak
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No, he is merely a mindless trollbot spreading the most disgusting and vile kind of bigotry and seething hatred from one particular nation of people.   His laughable and revolting lumping-together of the victims with the criminals is, however, typical of the irrational and anti-intellectual collectivist mindset.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:59 | 2634078 runlevel
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Revolt will happen when the sheep are hungry. Period. Now wheres mah damn EBT card?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:56 | 2634292 CrimsonAvenger
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Yep. When the SNAP card doesn't work at Walmart at 12:01am on the first day of the month. That's when it all goes to shit.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:11 | 2634333 Likstane
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No doubt! I don't want to be within 20 miles of a Walmart SNAP card breakdown/revolt(maybe farther depending on the landscape).  Maybe it would be interesting to be in some kind of hardened location just to watch the carnage...on second thought...nah

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:29 | 2634527 BooMushroom
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Or when the frozen food section is empty.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:35 | 2635687 Redhotfill
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SNAP! DOG!  My ETB card aint working, whats wrong with this mofo!?!

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 20:07 | 2638062 XitSam
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When hungry, the sheep will riot, not revolt.  There is a difference.  

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:06 | 2634088 TrillionDollarBoner
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Well, fat, deceived, and distracted maybe. Nicely tranquillized, let's say.

Same goes for Europeans, on the whole, though the pitchforks will storm the Bastille again long before they ever reach Capitol Hill.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:19 | 2634152 Bobbyrib
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"Same goes for Europeans, on the whole, though the pitchforks will storm the Bastille again long before they ever reach Capitol Hill."

This is my belief as well. The Europeans will be the first to go through austerity and they will not be happy.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:05 | 2634107 Ineverslice
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Yes, dumber than 5th graders. But maybe a famine just might burn through some blubber and sharpen some heads.  

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:19 | 2634150 q99x2
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Bankers abandon ship at the slightest glimpse of a stampede.

I guess it would have to be a ship close to shore or stampede of whales. But whales don't have legs. Ya know what I mean.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:24 | 2634166 buttmilk
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It will start when you see the blue helmets.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:08 | 2634470 ATM
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Blue helmets will never be seen in the US. It's far too dangerous and we know that at the first sign of danger the blue helmets get called back to France, Belgium or wherever the fuck it is they come from..

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:02 | 2634613 jwoop66
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They ran from the hutus; or was it the tutsis?   either way, they won't get much done here.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:04 | 2634850 Oldballplayer
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Blue helmets. What kind of a moron would wear a blue helmet into a dark alley in any US city.

And if the French are involved, it would take about a minute for them to surrender to a mob of SNAPpers.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:33 | 2634195 El Oregonian
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decus ad mortum

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:11 | 2634477 ATM
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My Jesuits would have your ass for that one. WHACK!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:17 | 2634653 El Oregonian
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decus ad mortem

My bad


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:43 | 2634238 kengland
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Revolt and you will be snuffed out by the eye in the sky. Are you talking about a peacfull revolt? Yeah right. If you are talking revolt that should have been considered before the CIA and the Pentagon.


Too late folks....and then they came for me.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:12 | 2634482 ATM
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They said the same thing about Syria.....

The poor people couldn't defeat the whole of the Syrian army. But they will.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:32 | 2634539 BooMushroom
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Bombs from the sky are expensive. 12ga shells and .2lr are cheap.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 03:28 | 2635003 sadmamapatriot
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No one says it will be easy. But 160 million armed civilians with 450 million guns compared to just under 4 million standing military plus reserves looks pretty good. Guerilla warfare is a bitch, you know. 

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 09:39 | 2635714 Redhotfill
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Ah so you figure 320 million divided by the number of those actually productive = 's 160 million.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:48 | 2634262 juangrande
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When enough people miss 9 meals, maybe!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:07 | 2634326 caconhma
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You are right. Fat and well-fed people don't revolt but hungry people do.

However, things do change. A Centrally Managed economy (managed through money printing, interest rates manipulation, and the State supported thievery) is a road to Hell. It is just a matter of time when hunger will come to America. Then, things will change in a hurry.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 00:42 | 2634889 Calmyourself
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Swollen bellies, umm yeah I may have mentioned that a time or two..  Be very afraid if they can keep the bread and circuses going for if they can do that we have a long dark period before humanity discovers freedom again.. This Midwest drought may be a blessing in disguise, viewed within the proper context..

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:18 | 2634346 ultimate warrior
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Americans may not want to revolt now but it will happen. When their child is crying because of hunger they will revolt. When they see there grandparents, parents, and friends laying dead because of starvation and disease they will revolt. When working no longer matters because the governmet takes all the profit they will revolt. When the government "black bags" everyone who opposes oppression and tyranny they will revolt.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 05:24 | 2635078 Zwelgje
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May I mention Stalin's Russia and the famine of Ukraine?

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 20:10 | 2638072 XitSam
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Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:29 | 2634380 philipat
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Besides, Homeland "Security" is well prepared with enough hollow bullets for a two bullet suicide by the entire US population?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:35 | 2634389 A Lunatic
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I'm revolting. Somehow that doesn't sound quite right.....................

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:13 | 2634483 ATM
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No it's right . You are revolting.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:37 | 2634395 Miffed Microbio...
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I was at first inclined to down arrow you for that but after observing the swarm of people in San Diego last weekend for ComicCon I changed my mind.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:51 | 2634426 Thorny Xi
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When "fat and stupid" simply do not work anymore.  Let 'em miss three meals in a row, they'll start getting out on the street a bit more. Of course, there won't be any focus to it - just looting TV sets and more food...

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:00 | 2634739 ZeroAvatar
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Oh, they're already looting food and other items.  Ever heard of 'flash mobs'?

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:45 | 2634811 ScotlandTheBrave
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...fat & lazy ....until the govt can't deliver the free cheese anymore.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 06:01 | 2635111 Offthebeach
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Will the revolution be televised? I'm on ObamaRomneycare antidepressants and SSI hypertension disability and would watch it, if my Section 8 57" flatscreen carries the package and it isn't opposite any of my shows.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 07:23 | 2635184 northerngirl
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Well said, end of story.

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 12:31 | 2636561 Offthebeach
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I hate it when reality interferes with my reality shows.
Also, the meals onwheels have declined in quality, even though I am home all day I have a right, international right, a UN right, to wholesome, nutrious, varied and tasty meals. Also, they're often cold.

I'd like a physical sex therapist twice a week, too.

I think vacations should be part of my "therapy ".


Fri, 07/20/2012 - 08:54 | 2635460 midtowng
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That's true for the moment, but it won't be true forever.

The one thing the article doesn't mention is that revolutions never come out of nowhere. They build up over time. There is nearly always incidents that indicate organization and violent tendencies ahead of time.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:44 | 2634033 zero19451945
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I have found that Americans (I live in the US so I can only comment on my fellow citizens) don't even understand the most basic of mathematical concepts. Nevermind financial concepts. 

I'm not too hopeful that they wake up. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 18:56 | 2634049 ACP
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Yeah, that's just about right. People are pretty much clueless until the ATM (and/or EBT) stops working.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:43 | 2634712 The Navigator
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AND, you don't need really good math/financial skills to load a mini-14 ruger or a 12g mossberg

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 20:12 | 2638078 XitSam
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They will still be clueless when the ATM/EBT stops working.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:07 | 2634064 TomGa
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I suggest we redefine Pi to 3 to make it easier for everyone to calculate the area of a square.

/sarc off

Oh, wait. Some U.S. municipality actually suggested that several years ago. Doh!


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:09 | 2634119 The Gooch
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It's a 3-d thing.


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:19 | 2634153 Dr. Sandi
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I submit that even if Pi were 3 and you weren't joking about the application, most Americans still couldn't do the math.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:32 | 2634535 slewie the pi-rat
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if you even need a good caddy, let me know,  drSandi

i will drive the cart and roll

you try to figure which side of the square is the hypoteneuse, ok?  and try to stay in bounds...   L0L!!!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:10 | 2634113 Rusticus
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Given the ideological divide, civil war seems more likely than a unified revolution, hence my experience that the most awake  Americans I've met are living abroad. [I am not, but travel extensively]

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 21:51 | 2634583 4horse
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Given the _____ divide, CIVIL WAR . . . !

is never ideology/but, fractions/merely easy division

Now what did the Rothschilds want? Their desires may be estimated fairly accurately by quoting the opinion given by Disraeli on the future of America when the Civil War was over:—“It will be an America of armies, of diplomacy, of rival States and manoeuvering Cabinets, of frequent turbulence, and probably of frequent wars.” (Annual Register, 1863, N.S. cv. 21). Disraeli was Lionel Rothschild’s mouth-piece. The Rothschilds wished to reproduce in America the chaotic conditions obtaining in Europe whereby they ruled all States; a united America would be too powerful for them; it must be split, and now was the time to do it, but it was awkward that Napoleon III. would not work with them! What were they to do? There was only one answer. Support both sides and prevent a win outright for either side, and so force apart the North and the South, with the possibility of the North becoming annexed to Canada. In practice, this meant helping the weak South more than the strong North . . .

. . . Abraham Lincoln tried to introduce State Loans to free the people of America from the clutches of the bankers. We need not be surprised therefore that August Belmont “strongly opposed the nomination and election of Lincoln.” Lincoln financed the Civil War on state credit, and for that he was murdered in 1865 by the Jewish actor Booth  .  .  .  An attempt to murder Seward was made the same evening; Seward was the man who gave the invitation to the Russian fleet. An attempt against the Tsar himself was made in Paris in the following year and in 1881 he was blown to pieces by a bomb. Lincoln, Seward and the Tsar were the three people who had chiefly prevented the Jewish partition of the United States!

President Garfield, who held the same views about the true nature of national credit as Lincoln did, was also duly assassinated.

*    *    *    *

BISMARCK:  The division of the United States into two federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the High Financial Power of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained in one block and as one nation, would attain economical and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. The voice of the Rothschilds predominated. They foresaw tremendous booty if they could substitute two feeble democracies, indebted to the Jewish financiers, to the vigorous republic, confident and self-providing. Therefore, they started their emissaries in order to exploit the question of slavery and thus to dig an abyss between the two parts of the republic. Lincoln never suspected these underground machinations  .  .  .

They made the rupture between the North and the South imminent! The masters of finance in Europe made this rupture definitive in order to exploit it to the utmost. Lincoln's personality surprised them: they thought to easily dupe the candidate woodcutter. But Lincoln read their plots and soon understood that the South was not the worst foe, but the Jewish financiers . . . He obtained from the Congress the right to borrow from the people by selling to it the bonds of the states . . . And the government and the nation escaped the plots of foreign financiers.

.  .  .  The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots and the bankers went anew to grab the riches. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America and use it to systematically corrupt civilisation."



"I have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions, in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy..."


Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:08 | 2634626 4horse
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so. cont'd . . .

the lines for revolution have been repeated here, now, for how many years  .  .  .  when it is all self-evident; has long been self-evident; and and and   :  iiwii




. . . discuss. discuss amongst yaselves . . .


"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.  -Jefferson, The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance." -James Madison

"You are a den of vipers and thieves and I intend to rout you out, and by the eternal God, I will rout you out!"  -- Andrew Jackson, address to Congress 1829

"I have two great enemies, the southern army in front of me and the financial institutions, in the rear. Of the two, the one in the rear is the greatest enemy..... I see in the future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war." -Abraham Lincoln


BISMARCK: No question is so difficult to answer as that to which the answer is obvious

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:54 | 2634830 ScotlandTheBrave
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Can't decide who I dislike the most...Obama or Nazis like you. Both are of the same.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:11 | 2634126 American34
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I have to agree. I have worked with the public for years but gladly not anymore, at least not directly. I think the majority of business owners and other Americans who are forced to fend for themselves financially feel quite repressed and very over taxed. The current system is set up to reward bad behavior financially and punish good financial behavior. As much as a lot of lazy EBT Card weilding jobless Americans would like to live off those of us who work for a living it WILL NOT LAST MUCH LONGER! Those who work have something more to lose and are also far less lazy. We will not be kept beat down forever even if we have to be business men by day and revolutionaries by night. 

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:51 | 2634248 General Decline
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I know some of these " business men and other Americans" you speak off and guess what? They are voting for Mit Romney. They really think that is the answer. We are a long way from a revolution.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:48 | 2634722 The Navigator
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There's a very short fuse for Romney - if things aren't headed in the right direction shortly after getting into office, OR if it appears the puppet masters really are running the show, the revolution will NOT be a long way off

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:55 | 2634288 dolly madison
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I have been running my own businesses for 10 years now, and I do feel extremely repressed.  The rules have kept me from doing many things.  I do not feel overtaxed though.  I paid much more taxes when I was an employee than running my own businesses.  My businesses have been pretty small scale though, no employees.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 22:20 | 2634655 pursueliberty
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You won't feel the governments hand in your pocket until you really start to add employees.  It isn't just pockets, its headaches of taxes/regulations.

Selfemployment with no employees is probably one of the best jobs in the world.  When you must depend on others for the survival of your business it becomes a daily battle.  Good men are hard to find, harder to replace.

I've been searching for years for a business where I was the only one to depend on.  The idea I'm stuck on attempting next needs too many employees to be successful on a scale I'd like to achieve, but I'm still stuck on it.



Fri, 07/20/2012 - 10:14 | 2635923 FEDbuster
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Plus, as one of my friends says, "you get first count".

Fri, 07/20/2012 - 22:47 | 2638268 dolly madison
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Yeah, I think actually it might have cost me more in taxes if I wasn't so put off by them.  Honestly I just often choose not to do things because I am afraid of all the costs and trouble.  I would have surely grown things more if not for my fear of all the hassle and expense.  I read old books and some have talked about business ventures in other times and places, and I am always so jealous how the people just go do things without permits and inspections.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 20:21 | 2634353 madmax1965
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You are right sir!  I am one of those small business owner's that is about at the end of my rope!  I will get to spend this weekend trying to figure out how to keep this sinking ship sailing, cash flow sucks, and everyone and their fn brother keeps uping the ainty, Fed taxes, state taxes, unemployment taxes, workers comp insurance, health insurance all keep going up and profit margins keep shrinking!

And then one has to listen to all these D bags arguing over where Obummer was born!  Who gives a shit where the guy was born, he is just as every other president since JFK has been a shill and puppet for the frigging PTB!

Rant over.  It's way past beer thirty!  Oh, one last thing ORomney=shill and puppet as well!  Let me know when the revolution starts, I for one will be there!

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 19:33 | 2634182 q99x2
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What the hell do you think that 1 trillion in debt is. The colleges are filled with young people that know exactly what the fuck is happening.

They all have to take Human Development and learn about how globalism that was fueled by banking Fraud in the US and Europe, assisted Corportism in the take over of the political system and sovereinity, shipped all the manufacturing jobs overseas, and has left them with a pile of debt.

Believe me I'm taking that f'n class right now.

Not only that they all hate the f'n TSA too.

Of course the college that I go to is the one that pepper sprays the students on a monthly basis. SMC. That also adds to their support of the REVOLUTION.

The youth are on board.

Thu, 07/19/2012 - 23:54 | 2634831 ShakaZulu
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The young will be slaughtered.  Soylent Lean.  The fat will melt off in the die-off.


Two words tell you all you need to know.  Population.  Control.


TPTB already have everything else under their control.

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