Guest Post: Who’s Right About Commodities: Bears Or Bulls?

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Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:21 | 1787226 nope-1004
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Gotta print, so must beat down commod's to show no inflation.

Gotta maintain the USD reserve, so must beat down PM wealth preservers (I think the CME calls those "evil speculators")

I really don't care.  I'm buying all the time.  Fuck JPM.  Screw Benocide.  The hell with Geithner.  Obama is a flake, as all the bankster controlled ones before him.  My wealth is in PM's near to me, not in the hands of the criminal cartel.

 

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:26 | 1787260 I think I need ...
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social security announced cost of living adjustment to return in 2012.....after 3 year absence....

Guess what that means inflation is coming back BIG.....next year and no even that cost of living adj won't cut it....

My tv is starting to smell like shit from all the bullshit coming out of the CNBC talking heads,,,,they are literally making shit up as they go, there is sooooo much shit starting to fly i'm getting ready to duck during Kudlow right now.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:56 | 1787316 Stack Trace
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Kudlow is a sack of hack stitched together with BULL-shit.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:35 | 1787379 Pinto Currency
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"Investors and advisors are beating a hasty retreat from all risky holdings, and for many that includes commodities."

 

If we had stable currencies that would be true, however our currencies have been destabilized for a  protracted period and are now being grossly undermined by QE and good old fashioned inflationary monetary policies.


See:

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/money-supply-charts

 

Latest Fed data shows M1 is now up 22.5% year-over-year http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1?cid=25

 

When the currency crisis occur - and given central bank policy and the collapsing worldwide debt bubble, it will - there will be a run to real assets.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:50 | 1787418 Harlequin001
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When you listen to this you could be forgiven for thinking that the amount of real gold traded at the margin is infinately more than the investors who hold it for the longer term, hence the volatility. Which is bullshit.

It amazes me how all these traders seem to sell or buy at exactlky the same time and by that I mean to the minute, which is uncanny...

Or is it one player with massive influence over prices through derivatives?

Go figure...

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 23:01 | 1787691 rocker
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Very Good Harlequin001. I really like that thought.
It is as true with the markets too.
Goldman must share that software that can manipulate markets with "special club members". And at a previous determined time they push F4,($).

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 03:14 | 1788045 Silver Bully
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I need to get Upper Crust, Super Special Club membership then. I thought I had to hit control, alt, delete on my vacuum tube algo thingy. Should I call tech support?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:40 | 1787384 clymer
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Beats morning shit head and his hot (albeit strategically "plugged-in") co-host.

 

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Brzezinski%3A_Time_to_%E2%80%9CControl%E2...

 

Z-Big's Translation: "We need to make certain that the architects of global planning are provided deflection from blame, by being painted as philanthropists who give so much. This way we can remain the .0001% and throw the remaining 1% to the pitchforks. (he even says *cough* "they are making millions of dollars" ..not billions, let alone trillions)

Get ready for the next stage of global consolidation of control, courtesy of the ignorant public's easy steer toward "millionaires".

Jeffrey Sachs should stick with NWO-shill, Charlie Rose. I like him better when he goes up against Hugh Henry:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oZtPK6hqLU

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:18 | 1787450 flacon
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Unfortunately MSNBC spelled "Unfortunate" incorrectly. "UNFORTUANTE". Quality American is US. @8:25 in the video.

 

Other than that, I like Brazinsky's use of "DESPOTISM", it's one of his favourite words - and I have watched almost all of his TV appearances since 2008. He enjoys DESPOTISM. 

 

And for once I actually agree with Bra-zin-ski in that America is pretty much dumbed down and reduced to slogans, "simplistic slogans". 

 

I think Brazinsky is thinking as a central planner, in REACTION mode. We are just too damn stupid of a species to figure it out on our own without the loving hands of god-planning which Brazinsky will gladly give as long as he is able to play god. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:21 | 1787461 mickeyman
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He learned that playing Civ 2

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:28 | 1787469 flacon
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Civ 2? What is that?

 

Central planners are disgusted with the results that central planning has produced, but they blame that on the free markets and lack of CONTROL. The solution, of course, is MORE CONTROL and now Brazinsky is talking about PUBLIC SHAMING of those who profited from the policies of central planning. He is advocating an out right class WARFARE. Posting LISTS of the "rich". I wonder if he will post lists of people who benefited from TRILLIONS of dollars of bailout, POMO etc. and specifically target the policies of the central planners as the ultimate culprits of this wealth disparity and detail HOW they got rich by putting their buckets in the way of the "stimulus" to catch as much as they could.... 

 

(I was dreaming, the goal is to produce a scapegoat, not to solve any problems)

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:53 | 1787531 goat
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You called?

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 01:16 | 1787970 Hephasteus
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Fractionally reserved cannon fodder. Bankers they they are hooked on the scam. They do it over and over and over till you puke all over them and disolve them like a fucking fly. Don't make me throw up bankers.

Now quick sign some athletes up for some huge contracts and make a big noise about it. Right you fuckers.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:36 | 1787489 Executioner
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Flacon,

 Do you mean, Zbigniew Brzezinski ?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:51 | 1787524 flacon
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Zbig, Bra, whatever. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 22:05 | 1787562 Executioner
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You're right its like a soup letter :)

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 22:26 | 1787606 flacon
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I like the name Executioner. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:42 | 1787398 adr
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instead of talking heads, replace with defecating asses. Now all the words spewed make sense.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 01:34 | 1787989 fonestar
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Word to your mother of the otha brotha!  Wealth is measured in oz.  Chumps are measured by their stacks of FRN.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:15 | 1787227 slewie the pi-rat
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good luck avoiding that recession!

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:15 | 1787228 achmachat
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you should really stop putting money (gold and silver) in the same category as commodities.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:33 | 1787269 Michael Victory
Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:40 | 1787392 Hephasteus
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Copper lead and sulfates are  a commodity side affect of gold and silver mining. As banks try to make thier paper belieavalbe they cause a huge glut in those commodity markets. Silver they just let get rediculously short supplied and then glut rediculously short supplied then glut.  Gold is pure money. Silver is 10 percent commodity 90 percent money.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:16 | 1787229 TheSilverJournal
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Silver's going to min. $1,000 / oz. in real terms..so my vote is with the bulls.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:22 | 1787245 Hearst
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History shows that Silver has made many people fortunes and supported many empires.

"The richest silver deposit in American history was discovered in 1857 in Nevada. Two brothers, Evan and Hosea Grosh, found the deposit, but died before they were able to record their claims. Henry Comstock, a sheepherder and prospector, who cared for the brothers' cabin, unsuccessfully tried to find gold on the land, sold his claims within months, and died a poor man. But the silver lode came to bear his name.

 One of the earliest discovers of the Comstock Lode's silver riches was George Hearst, who later found more mineral wealth in the mountains of Utah and South Dakota and finally the Anaconda copper deposits in Montana. His son, William Randolph Hearst would become the nation's most powerful publishing baron. Beginning with The San Francisco Examiner, which his father gave him in 1887, when William was 24, he would develop the nation's first media empire, including newspapers in most major cities and a string of magazines."

http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/database/article_display.cfm?HHID=179

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:02 | 1787327 Silverhog
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Interesting, nobody willing to go to the bottom of the ocean to retrieve old fiat. But a ship laden with Silver is all over the news. If they found 10 ounces of Silver in the Andrea Doria's safe it would have been a hit on TV. Instead they found a hand full of rotten water logged Italian Lira. Stick with 5000+ years of monetary history. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 23:03 | 1787697 Libertarians fo...
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Silver's going to min. $1,000 / oz. in real terms..so my vote is with the bulls.

My personal price target for silver is $12,000/oz, maybe $100,000/oz if the "Cartel" looses control. 

Very fluid situation right now.  Lots of wild cards. 

 

 

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 01:12 | 1787963 TheSilverJournal
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$100,000 / oz. in real terms seems a bit high. LIkely, up to 2 billion -3 billion will per yr. will be able to be mined the first couple years and that number will continue to grow until the right above ground supply is available. If 2 billion could be mined that first year after price explosion and silver is valued at $100,000 / oz., that would make one years worth of mined silver $200,00 trillion. If by some bizarro fashion it actually got that high, it would be for a very short period of time. But who knows, fiat has made it to this point so that shows how whacked out things can get. In the end, though, it all leads back to equilibrium. People did spend a ridiculous amount on tulip bulbs at one time too.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:17 | 1787230 LawsofPhysics
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Depends on whether or not people want keep eating.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:18 | 1787234 cossack55
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Methinks the author misses the whole point of commodities, at least for real-world, non-paper delineated reality.  Odd name "katusa". Used to be a descriptor with negative conotations in Korea 40 years ago. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:19 | 1787237 kengland
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"Certainly, the fundamentals of the copper market remain very tight. Based on current demand predictions, the International Copper Study Group expects to see a deficit of 250,000 tonnes in the global refined copper market in 2012,"

 

How can this dipsheet reference "fundamentals" in this phony arse system? How can he weed through all of this fiscal and monetary bullsheet and come up with fundamentals?

 

Sad thing is, there will be thousands who will follow this turd down the toilet.

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:21 | 1787243 topcallingtroll
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Ben cant QE until people are begging for it.
I am thinking commodities might have a little bit further to fall but some positive growth surprises ought to keep it falling much further.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:22 | 1787246 agent default
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When panic sets in all investors want to go to cash, and all central bankers want to go to their printing presses.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:24 | 1787252 Turd Ferguson
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"The price of silver shed a whopping 33% in 30 days, while gold is currently down 15% compared to its price on September 6."

The author writes this as if this move in the metals was nothing but a natural correction in price when, in fact, it was a direct and coordinated beatdown, manufactured to give The Cartel room to continue covering their massive short positions without driving gold through $2000 and silver through $50. 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:28 | 1787264 Grimbert
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And both metals are massively higher than this time last year.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 19:47 | 1787294 printmemoney
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Mr. Ferguson.....I must say I have been very impressed with gold and silver's ability to hold their lines at 1650 and 30 against these relentless between market attacks. We still may be looking at another kick in the teeth, but the physical buyers will come in in droves. You run a terrific site.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:57 | 1787430 Libertarians fo...
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Personally, I think Turd's site caters to the absolute dumbest investors in the market. 

The predictions are worse than dart throws and the conversations are utterly nonsensical.

 

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:52 | 1787526 printmemoney
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Sounds like you check it out quite a bit.......maybe if you are "looking to do the opposite of the turd herd" you should sell your physical metals (that you don't have) and go long bank of america

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 23:24 | 1787744 akak
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Personally, I think Turd's site caters to the absolute dumbest investors in the market. 

The predictions are worse than dart throws and the conversations are utterly nonsensical.

If you truly believe all that, then why do you continue to read (and most probably, troll) his blogsite?

Personally, I think that trolls who actively and continually spread misinformation, disinformation and dissension to disrupt anti-establishment online forums (while constantly changing their handles to pretend that they are new members and not the same, repeatedly discredited troll) are the absolute dumbest and most worthless pieces of human waste in the world.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 01:13 | 1787965 jomama
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i must have missed that link to your blog...?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:33 | 1787367 Libertarians fo...
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*LOL*

Ahh, yes...  "The Cartel".... that phantom, illusory nemesis of the doomer goons. 

Like religious fanatics who resort to stories about devils, spirits, gods and virgins when they don't understand the world around them, doomer goons do the same when the price of silver and gold bounce around. It's the Cartel's fault!  

Didn't you ever watch Scooby Doo as a child, Turd?  It's a metaphor for life.  At the end of every episode, when the "Mystery Gang" finally solves their puzzle, the villain or "ghost" was always a real person: the neighbor, the butcher, the teacher, etc.  It was never anything illusory or metaphysical or surreal like ghosts, goblins or evil spirits.  There was always a real answer to all the unknowns, whether you know the answer or not. 

When you continually explain all price movements as the handiwork of some phantom "Cartel", you're really no different than narrow-minded creationists or the "Mystery Gang."  Everything from margin hikes to SIFO rates to the mechanics of ETF's have actual, real explanations to those who truly understand (or have a real curiosity to understand) how the market works. 

Everything else is just carnival barking or good fodder for cartoons -especially cartoons involving talking dogs and farting bears.

Your insistence in blaming everything on some evil phantom Cartel is really quite sophomoric. 

Crash JP Morgue, buy Silver

*LOL*

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:36 | 1787385 JustObserving
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The Fed does intervene in the gold markets:

"That day the U.S. announced that the dollar would be devalued by 10 percent. By switching the yen to a floating exchange rate, the Japanese currency appreciated, and a sufficient realignment in exchange rates was realized. Joint intervention in gold sales to prevent a steep rise in the price of gold, however, was not undertaken. That was a mistake."

Paul Volcker, Nikkei Weekly 2004

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:41 | 1787394 printmemoney
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your post is that of a freshman............who do you think initiates margin hikes?  no, you're right the margin hikes in silver early in the year happen all the time, especially in ES positions

 

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 20:45 | 1787406 Libertarians fo...
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What?

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 22:48 | 1787659 buyingsterling
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"What?"

Exactly. You don't know what you're talking about. Un-backed currency is the must lucrative scam in history, and those benefiting the most from it will do anything in their power to keep it going.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 22:57 | 1787678 Libertarians fo...
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Can you tell me more about this "unbacked currency?"  That sounds suspicious.

 

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 23:22 | 1787743 buyingsterling
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Go spend some time at mises.org or lewrockwell.com.

Wed, 10/19/2011 - 02:52 | 1788034 AustriAnnie
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"Can you tell me more about this "unbacked currency?"  That sounds suspicious."

Which one?  The one we have now, or the ones that came before:  

http://www.caseyresearch.com/editorial.php?page=articles/thousand-pictur...

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:00 | 1787434 Chaffinch
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I think your post demonstrates a good understanding of Scooby Doo, but I think you need to study the gold and silver markets a bit more carefully Libby.

Tue, 10/18/2011 - 21:27 | 1787470 cbaba
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Have you ever heard Andrew Maguire ?,

Who has over 40 years of experience as a metals trader,

he is the whistleblower for the silver and gold price manipulation.

Any bells ringing ?

do you think he is also a phantom or a ghost ?

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!