This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Guest Post: Who Destroyed The Middle Class - Part 3

Tyler Durden's picture


Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

Who Destroyed The Middle Class - Part 3

This is the 3rd and final chapter of my series about the destruction of the middle class. In Part 1 of this series I addressed where and how the net worth of the middle class was stolen. In Part 2, I focused on the culprits in this grand theft and in Part 3, I will try to figure out why they stole your net worth and what would be required to restore sanity to this world.

Dude, Why Did They Steal My Net Worth?

“I have no problem with people becoming billionaires—if they got there by winning a fair race, if their accomplishments merit it, if they pay their fair share of taxes, and if they don’t corrupt their society. Most of them became wealthy by being well connected and crooked. And they are creating a society in which they can commit hugely damaging economic crimes with impunity, and in which only children of the wealthy have the opportunity to become successful. That’s what I have a problem with. And I think most people agree with me.” Charles FergusonPredator Nation


It is clear to me that a small cabal of politically connected ultra-wealthy psychopaths has purposefully and arrogantly stripped the middle class of their wealth and openly flaunted their complete disregard for the laws and financial regulations meant to enforce a fair playing field. Why did they gut the middle class in their rapacious appetite for riches? Why did the scorpion sting the frog while crossing the river, dooming them both? It was his nature. The same is true for the hubristic modern robber barons latched on the backs of the middle class. Their appetite for ever greater riches will never be mollified. They will always want more. They promise not to destroy the middle class, as that will surely extinguish the last hope for a true economic recovery built upon savings, investment and jobs, but it is their nature to destroy. A card carrying member of the plutocracy and renowned dog lover, Mitt Romney, revealed a truth not normally discussed by those running the show:

“I’m not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there. I’m not concerned about the very rich, they’re doing just fine.”

The data from the Fed report confirms Romney’s assertion. The poorest 20% were the only household segment that saw an increase in their real median income between 2007 and 2010, while the richest 10% saw only a modest 5% decrease in their $200,000 plus, annual incomes. Meanwhile the middle class households experienced a brutal 8% to 9% decline in real income. Table 2 in Part 2 of this article reveals why the poorest 20% were able to increase their income. Transfer payments (unemployment, welfare, food stamps, SSDI) increased from 8.6% of their income in 2007 to 11.1% in 2010. Government transfer payments rose from $1.7 trillion in 2007 to $2.3 trillion today, a 35% increase in five years. I’m sure the bottom 20% are living high on the hog raking in that $13,400 per year. Think about these facts for just a moment. There are 23 million households in this country with a median annual household income of $13,400. That means half make less than that. There are 58 million households that have a median household income of $45,800, with half making less than that.

The reason Mitt Romney isn’t concerned about the very poor is because his only interaction with them is when they cut the lawn at one of his six homes. The truth is the bottom 20% are mostly penned up in our urban ghettos located in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, NYC, LA, Atlanta, Miami, and the hundreds of other decaying metropolitan meccas. They generally kill each other and only get the attention of the top 10% if they dare venture into a white upper class neighborhood. They are the revenue generators for our corporate prison industrial complex – one of our few growth industries. They provide much of the cannon fodder for our military industrial complex. They are kept ignorant and incapable of critical thought by our Department of Education controlled public school system. The welfare state is built upon the foundation of this 20%. It is certainly true that the bottom 30 million households in this country, from an income standpoint, do receive hundreds of billions in entitlement transfers, but Table 2 clearly shows that 80% of their income comes from working. The annual $72 billion cost for the 46 million people on food stamps pales in comparison to the hundreds of billions being dispensed to the Wall Street banks by Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner, and the $1 trillion per year funneled to the corporate arm dealers in the military industrial complex. The Wall Street maggots (i.e. J.P. Morgan) crawl around the decaying welfare corpse, extracting hundreds of millions in fees from the EBT system and the SNAP program as they encourage higher levels of spending.

This is all part of the diversion. Forty five years after the War on Poverty began, there are 49 million Americans living in poverty. That’s a solid good return on the $16 trillion spent so far. It’s on par with the 16 year zero percent real return in the stock market. We have produced a vast underclass of ignorant, uneducated, illiterate, dependent people who have become a huge voting block for the Democratic Party. Politicians, on the left, promise more entitlements to these people in order to get elected. Politicians on the right will not cut the entitlements for fear of being branded as uncaring. The Republicans agree to keep the welfare state growing and the Democrats agree to keep the warfare state growing -bipartisanship in all its glory. And the middle class has been caught in a pincer movement between the free shit entitlement army and the free shit corporate army. The oligarchs have been incredibly effective at using their control of the media, academia and ideological think tanks to keep the middle class ire focused upon the lower classes. While the middle class is fixated on people making $13,400 per year, the ultra-wealthy are bribing politicians to pass laws and create tax loopholes, netting them billions of ill-gotten loot. These specialists at Edward Bernays propaganda techniques were actually able to gain overwhelming support from the middle class for the repeal of estate taxes by rebranding them “death taxes”, even though the estate tax only impacts 15,000 households out of 117 million households in the U.S. The .01% won again.

Household Net Worth Survey of Consumer Finances Federal Reserve 2010

It is easy to understand how the hard working middle class is so easily manipulated by the corporate fascists into believing their decades of descent to a lower and lower standard of living is the result of the lazy good for nothings at the bottom of the food chain sucking on the teat of state with their welfare entitlements. I drive through the neighborhoods of West Philadelphia every day, inhabited by the households with a net worth of $8,500 and annual income of $13,400. They inhabit crumbling hovels worth less than $25,000, along pothole dotted streets strewn with waste, debris and rubbish. More than half the people in this war zone are high school dropouts, over 30% are unemployed, and drug dealing is the primary industry. When a drug dealer becomes too successful and begins to cut into the profits of the “legitimate” oligarch sanctioned drug industry, he is thrown into one of our thriving prisons. Marriage is an unknown concept. The life expectancy of males is far less than 79 years old. But something doesn’t quite make sense. Every hovel has a Direct TV satellite dish. The people shuffling around the streets all have expensive cell phones. There are newer model cars parked on the streets, including a fair number of BMWs, Mercedes, Cadillac Escalades and Volvos. How can this be when their annual income is $13,400 and they have $8,500 to their names?

This is where our friendly neighborhood Wall Street oligarchs enter the picture. These downtrodden people are not bright. They are easily manipulated and scammed. They believe driving an expensive car and appearing successful is the same as being successful. Therefore, they are easily susceptible to being lured into debt. Millions of these people represented the “subprime” mortgage borrowers during the housing bubble. The tremendous auto “sales” being reported by the mainstream media in an effort to boost consumer confidence about an economic recovery, are being driven by subprime auto loans from Ally Financial (85% owned by the U.S. Treasury/you the taxpayer) and the other government back stopped Wall Street banks. This is the beauty of credit. The mega-lenders reap tremendous profits up front, the illusion of economic progress is created, poor people feel rich for a while, and when it all blows up at a future date the middle class taxpayer foots the bill. Real wages for the 99% have been falling for three decades. You make poor people feel wealthy by providing them easy access to vast quantities of cheap debt. I’m a big fan of personal responsibility, but who is the real malignant organism in this relationship? The parasite banker class, like a tick on an old sleepy hound dog, has been blood sucking the poor and middle class for decades. They have peddled the debt, kept the poor enslaved, and have used their useful idiots in the media to convince millions of victims to blame each other through their skillful use of propaganda. They maintain their control by purposely creating crisis, promoting hysteria, and engineering “solutions” that leave them with more power and wealth, while stripping the average citizen of their rights, liberty, freedom and net worth (i.e. Housing Bubble to replace Internet Bubble, Glass-Steagall repeal, Patriot Act, TARP, NDAA, SOPA). Jesse cuts to the heart of the matter, revealing the darker side of our human nature:

“Sometimes when faced with problems that are confusing and troubling it is easier to think what someone tells you to think, particularly something that touches a deep and dark nerve in your nature, rather than carry the burden and ambiguity of struggling with the facts and thinking for yourself.  Repeating a party line is a shorthand way of avoiding real thought.  And the predators are always there to take advantage of it.  They welcome trouble and often foment crisis in order to advance their agendas.”

“Anyone can be misled by a clever person, and no one likes to readily admit that they have been had.  It is a sign of character and maturity to realize this, and admit you were deceived, and to demand change and reform. But some people cannot do this, even when the facts of the deception are revealed.  It seems as though the more incorrect that the truth shows them to be, the louder and more strident they become in shouting down and denying the reality of the situation.   And anyone who denies their perspective becomes ‘the other,’ someone to be feared and hated, shunned and eliminated, one way or the other.”

Until Debt Do Us Part

I sense signs of desperation amongst the plutocracy. Their propaganda machine is sputtering. Their storylines are growing tired. They have fended off the fury of the Tea Party movement by successfully high jacking it and neutralizing their impact under the thumb of the Republican establishment. The oligarchs called out their armed thugs to crush the OWS rage, while using their media mouthpieces to misrepresent the true purpose of the movement – Wall Street greed and criminality with Washington DC collusion. The Savings & Loan Crisis of the late 1980s resulted in 800 bankers being thrown into prison. After the greatest banker heist in history, not one banker has been thrown in jail. Obama and Holder have been neutered by their masters. The power elite openly brandish their glee at avoiding accountability for their crimes. They are desperately attempting to re-inflate the debt bubble, as debt is the lifeblood of these vampire squids. The key piece of their current propaganda campaign is to convince the people they have effectively deleveraged and their continuing austerity efforts are actually detrimental to economic recovery. It’s nothing but a confidence game to keep the Ponzi going. The Ponzi operators want to extract every last dime from the masses before the engineered collapse. The data does not confirm the deleveraging narrative. Total credit market debt in the United States is now at an all-time high and stands at 345% of GDP. In 1977 it stood at 155% of GDP and at 250% in 2000.

Total credit market debt is now $4 trillion higher than it was in 2007, prior to the financial collapse. It has gone up by $1 trillion in the last 12 months. Does this sound like deleveraging? The chart below details the truth the moneyed interests don’t want you to understand. The bastions of capitalism on Wall Street have dumped $3.4 trillion of their toxic debt and $1 trillion of mortgage and credit card debt onto the backs of middle class taxpayers and future unborn generations. They did this under the auspices of saving the economic system. Their sole purpose has been to save themselves from becoming part of the middle class. The transfer of wealth from the quarry (middle class) to the predators (moneyed interests) continues unabated.

The faux journalists in the mainstream media have been pounding the consumer deleveraging mantra. They babble on about the austere masses methodically paying down their debts. It’s a specious lie. The chart below shows that banks have written off $218 billion of credit card debt since 2008. It also shows outstanding revolving debt falling from $1.01 trillion to $819 billion, a $191 billion decrease. For the math challenged, like any Wall Street shill paraded on CNBC, this means consumers have added $27 billion of credit card debt since 2008. Does that sound like deleveraging? Households have also taken on $300 billion of additional student loan debt since 2008, buying into the government sponsored scam to keep the unemployment rate lower by offering the false hope of jobs with useless on-line degrees from the University of Phoenix. Does that sound like deleveraging?

Consumer Credit Card Debt and Charge-off Data (in Billions):

  Outstanding Revolving Consumer   Debt Outstanding Credit Card Debt Qrtly Credit Card Charge-Off   Rate Qrtly Credit Card Charge-Off   in Dollars
Q1 2012 $819.4 $803.0 4.37% $8.8
2011 $864.9 $847.6    
Q4 2011 $864.9 $847.6 4.53% $9.6
Q3 2011 $826.2 $809.7 5.63% $11.4
Q2 2011 $819.2 $802.8 5.58% $11.2
Q1 2011 $810.7 $794.4 6.96% $13.8
2010 $857.4 $840.2   $77.9
Q4 2010 $857.4 $840.2 7.70% $16.2
Q3 2010 $836.0 $819.2 8.55% $17.5
Q2 2010 $847.5 $830.5 10.97% $22.8
Q1 2010 $860.3 $843.1 10.16% $21.4
2009 $921.9 $903.4   $85.6
Q4 2009 $921.9 $903.4 10.12% $22.8
Q3 2009 $922.2 $903.7 10.1% $22.8
Q2 2009 $933.1 $914.4 9.77% $22.3
Q1 2009 $946.1 $927.2 7.62% $17.7
Q4 2008 $1,010.3 $990.1    

(Source:, Federal Reserve)

They only people with the courage to tell it like it is are skeptics and outcasts from polite society inhabited by the power elite – people like Ron Paul, Michael Burry, and deceased critical thinkers like Frank Zappa and George Carlin. In one of his final appearances, Carlin brutally lashed out with a torrent of truth, only spoken by courageous people not worried about the consequences of their blunt honesty:

“Politicians are put there to give you that idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations, and they’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses, and the City Halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. They’ve got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want—they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest. You know something, they don’t want people that are smart enough to sit around their kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that, you know what they want?

They want obedient workers, obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged. Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard working people, white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Because the owners of this country know the truth, it’s called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”

Grotesque Casino of Corporate Fascism

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” – Frank Zappa


“Specifically, over the past 15 years, the global financial system – encouraged by misguided policy and short-sighted monetary interventions – has lost its function of directing scarce capital toward projects that enhance the world’s standard of living. Instead, the financial system has been transformed into a self-serving, grotesque casino that misallocates scarce savings, begs for and encourages speculative bubbles, refuses to restructure bad debt, and demands that the most reckless stewards of capital should be rewarded through bailouts that transfer bad debt from private balance sheets to the public balance sheet. What is central here is that the government policy environment has encouraged this result. This environment includes financial sector deregulation that was coupled with a government backstop, repeated monetary distortions, refusal to restructure bad debt, and a preference for policy cowardice that included bailouts and opaque accounting. Deregulation and lower taxes will not fix this problem, nor will larger stimulus packages.” John Hussman

None of the solutions put forth by Obama or Romney will fix the problems facing the country today. They are two handpicked figureheads representing the same owners. Both political parties are responsible for the grotesque casino that passes for our financial system. These political hacks have been in alternating control of our government system for the last 150 years. They don’t want to come up with real solutions to the problems they created. The owners want obedient slaves, distracted by technology and shallow entertainment, subjugated by debt used to buy things they want but don’t need, believing waging wars in distant lands keeps us safe, and favoring the imprisonment of petty thieves and drug users while the grand thieves run the country and control our currency. Keeping the willfully ignorant masses in the dark and confused is a vital part of the plan. Debt is the ingredient that enriches the issuers and keeps the dupes in check.  Wall Street bankers, Federal Reserve governors, captured financial “experts”, journalists paid by corporations, economists with an ideological agenda and bought off politicians all repeating the same theme with the same unquestioning, strident conviction is a sure sign that we are being played. The never ending series of titanic bailouts of Wall Street did not avert a catastrophic economic collapse. They protected the corporate fascists from experiencing the consequences of their monstrous predatory actions over the last few decades. And it was all done for money. Simple human greed and an insane desire by a few psychotic men to control and manipulate others for their own selfish pleasure is what has turned this country into a corporate fascist state bereft of its soul and original founding principles, as stated by Ron Paul:

“We’re not moving toward Hitler-type fascism, but we’re moving toward a softer fascism: Loss of civil liberties, corporations running the show, big government in bed with big business. So you have the military-industrial complex, you have the medical-industrial complex, you have the financial industry, you have the communications industry. They go to Washington and spend hundreds of millions of dollars. That’s where the control is. I call that a soft form of fascism — something that’s very dangerous.”

The soft form of fascism easily transforms into the hard form as those in control exhibit their supremacy with displays of military potency in our cities (Boston, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Chicago), passage of liberty stripping legislation like the Patriot Act and NDAA, along with announcements about thousands of drones patrolling our skies over the next five years. When propaganda begins to lose its effectiveness, brute force is the next step. Whenever I write about the slow methodical disintegration of our once great republic into a dysfunctional banana republic controlled by bankers, mega-corporations and arms dealers; the apologists for the empire scoff and cynically ask for my solutions. I, along with many other rational thinking realists, have proposed solutions, but they don’t have a snowballs chance in Syria of ever even being debated by the existing ruling class. The unholy alliance between bankers, corporate interests and politicians must be broken. These proposals would go a long way towards breaking that alliance:

Political System

  • Since politicians cannot be trusted to exhibit courage or intelligence when it comes to public policy, a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution needs to be passed, with a five to ten year      implementation period to ameliorate the pain.
  • Term limits of 6 years for Congressmen and Senators. Serving in Congress should not be a career. It is a duty to the country. The purpose of Congress is to represent the existing generations of      citizens and ensure that future generations have a country that offers opportunity to live a better life than their parents.
  • The entire election process would be scraped. It would be transformed into a 3 month publicly financed election. No money from corporations, unions, or individuals would be allowed. Multiple candidates      would have an opportunity to debate on public TV. The two party domination of our political process must be broken.
  • Corporations are not people. Extreme wealth does not ive someone the right to buy elections. Rich oligarchs operating in the shadows and spending billions on negative advertising is not how a republic should elect their representatives.  Lobbyists, special interests and PACs and would be eliminated from the political process.
  • The President could no longer issue Executive Orders, undercutting the legislative process.
  • Every bill before Congress would immediately be put online. The constituents of every Congressmen and Senator would be allowed to voice their opinion by voting yes or no online.
  • Every bill that is proposed by a Congressman must have a funding mechanism. If the proposal increases costs to the American taxpayer, something else must be cut to pay for the new proposal. This would be unnecessary if a balance budget amendment was passed.
  • No American troops could be committed to war in a foreign country without a full vote of Congress as required by the U.S. Constitution.
  • A cost benefit analysis would be conducted regarding every department and agency in the Federal Government by the GAO. Those failing to meet minimum requirements would be drastically reduced or eliminated.
  • The education of children would be delegated to localities, without Federal mandates. Every child in America would receive vouchers for grade school, high school and college. They could choose any      school to attend – public or private. If the private school cost more than the voucher, the family would pay the difference. Excellent schools would flourish, poor schools would be forced to improve or they would close. Teacher tenure would be eliminated. Teaching excellence would be rewarded.

Economic Policy

  • The first thing to be done is to abolish the Federal Reserve. It is owned by and operated for the benefit of the biggest banks in the world. Its sole purpose has been to enrich the few at the expense of the many through its insidious use of inflation and debt issuance. It has been around for less than 100 years and has debased the USD by 96%. The U.S. Treasury has the authority to issue the currency of the country. It did so from 1789 until 1913.
  • The 2nd thing to do would be to reinstitute the Glass-Steagall Act because Wall Street cannot be trusted to manage their risk properly. This would separate true banking activities from the high risk gambling that brought the economic system to its knees. Privatizing the profits and socializing the losses is unacceptable.
  • The FASB would be directed to make all banks and financial corporations value their assets at their true market value. This would reveal the mega Wall Street banks and corporations like GE to be insolvent. An orderly bankruptcy of all insolvent financial firms involving the sell-off of their legitimate assets to well-run risk adverse banks that didn’t screw up would ensue. Bondholders and stockholders would realize their losses for awful investment decisions. The economic system would be purged of its bad debt.
  • The currency of the US would be backed by hard assets. A basket of gold, silver, platinum, uranium, and some other limited hard commodities would back the USD. If politicians attempted to spend too much, the price of this basket would reflect their inflationary schemes immediately.
  • The 16th Amendment would be repealed and the income tax would be scraped. It would be replaced with a national consumption tax. The more you consume, the more taxes you pay. Wages, savings and investment would be untaxed. The tax code is the source for much of politicians’ power. Its demise would further reduce Washington DC control over our lives.
  • A downsizing of the US Military from $1 trillion to $500 billion annually would be initiated through the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany, Japan and hundreds of other bases throughout the world. Policing the world is bankrupting the empire.
  • All corporate, farm, education, and social engineering subsidies would be eliminated. All Federal employees would have their pay slashed by 10% and the workforce would be reduced by 20% over 5 years. Federal health benefits and pension benefits would be set at average private industry levels.
  • The Social Security System would be completely overhauled. Anyone 50 or older would get exactly what they were promised. The age for collecting SS would be gradually raised to 72 over the next 15 years. Those between 25 and 50 would be given the option to opt out of SS. They would be given their contributions to invest as they see fit if they opt out. Anyone entering the workforce today would not pay in or receive any benefits. The wage limit for SS would be eliminated and the tax rate would be reduced from 6.2% to 3%.
  • The Medicare system is unsustainable. It would be converted from a government program to private market based program. The Federal mandates, rules and regulations would be eliminated. Senior citizens would be given healthcare vouchers which they would be free to use with any insurance company or doctor based on price and quality. Insurance companies would compete for business on a national basis. Doctors would compete for business. The GAO would have their budget doubled and they would audit Medicare fraud & Medicaid fraud and prosecute the criminals without impunity.
  • The healthcare bill would be repealed. Insurance companies would be allowed to compete with each other on a national basis. Tort reform would be implemented so that doctors could do their jobs without fear of being destroyed by slimy personal injury lawyers. Doctors would need to post their costs for various procedures. Price and quality would drive the healthcare market.
  • The entitlement state would be dismantled. The criteria for collecting welfare, SSDI, food stamps and unemployment benefits would be made much stricter. Unemployed people collecting government payments would be required to clean up parks, volunteer at community charity organizations, pick up trash along highways, fix and paint houses in their neighborhoods and generally keep busy in a productive manner for society.
  • A free market method for stabilizing the housing market would be for banks to voluntarily reduce the mortgage balances of underwater homeowners in exchange for a PAR (Property Appreciation Right). The homeowner would agree to pay off the PAR to the Treasury (and administered through the IRS) out of future price appreciation on the existing home or subsequent property. The homeowner would be excluded from taking on any home equity loans or executing any “cash out” refinancing until the PAR was satisfied. The maximum PAR obligation accepted by the Treasury would be based on the value of the home and the income of the homeowner.

I’m sure there are many more solutions which non-captured, intelligent, reasonable citizens could put forth to save this country. None of these ideas would be acceptable to the country’s owners. They would reduce their wealth and power. What these oligarchs do not realize is that we are in the midst of a Fourth Turning. Those who experienced the last one have died off. The existing social order will be swept away. It is likely to be violent and bloody. Good people and bad people will die. When the Crisis reaches its climax we will have the opportunity to implement good solutions. There is also the distinct possibility that our increasingly ignorant populace will turn to a messianic psychopath that promises them renewed glory. Decades of delusional decisions will lead to a future that will not be orderly or controllable.


 “The Banks must be restrained, and the financial system reformed, with balance restored to the economy, before there can be any sustained growth and recovery. If the suffering becomes great enough, change will inevitably come, but it may not be orderly or as controllable as the moneyed interests often like to think.” – Jesse

Parts 1 & 2 can be accessed here:




- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:21 | 2562930 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

This is all part of the diversion.

His storylines are growing tired. 

SmokeyQuinn once again pisses  down everyone’s  back and  then tells them it’s raining.

The combination of  being a TOTAL  9/11MORON, grossly ignorant by choice, and intellectually lazy and dishonest makes him a lightweight tool, and  traitorous shill, who parrots the corporate MSN masters’ propaganda and statistics, aiding and abetting, unquestioningly repeating and reporting the fabrications spewed by an openly fascist government. 

The purpose of those who wield unlawful power is to keep the masses dumb and paranoid regarding terrorist threats and artificial enemies.

Any person that is incapable or uninterested in critically confronting the 'in your face' facts about 9/11 is a corrupt politician’s best friend. 

 His ignorance is not a state of being uninformed about 9/11 or unaware about the implications of those issues. 

 He has made a choice: to be a shill and thus a traitor.  An informed, interested, questioning person is a danger to the illegal government.  The combination of uninformed, ignorant by choice, and intellectually dishonest will be fatal combination for the country and the world.  Only a fool like him believes there won’t be consequences. 

  “The one permanent emotion of the inferior man is fear – fear of the unknown, the complex, and the inexplicable. 

      What he wants above everything else is safety.”  HLMencken

Critical thinking is the careful, deliberate determination of whether to accept, reject, or suspend judgment about the fanciful and downright stupid NIST claims and the degree of confidence with which you accept or reject the...

OffalCIAl  CONspiracy” Theory.

Critical thinking requires not only logic but broad intellectual criterion; clarity of credible research, accuracy of reporting, precision and timing, relevance of material, depth of expertise, breadth of vision, significance of material evidence and fairness in judgment.  He must begin to study  HISTORY and SCIENCE.

Quinn has little or no real world experience and stubbornly refuses to identify the extent of his total and willful ignorance in a wide variety of political subjects and physical science.

Quinn will become less biased and more broad-minded, less of a pompous ass, when he and others like him become more intellectually empathetic and more intellectually humble.  Over the past few years I have observed little or no critical thinking skills on his part regarding the Truth about  9/11. 

He and his sheepish followers deserve to get it good and hard.  They have, and they will get much more.  His Ignorance is his Strength.

“The men that American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”  HLMencken

9/11 is the Litmus Test for any 21st century writer.

Keeping the willfully ignorant masses in the dark and confused about 9/11Truth is a vital part of the plan. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:26 | 2562946 resurger
resurger's picture

_I_ yours


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:31 | 2563407 AldousHuxley
AldousHuxley's picture

when you reward rappers, paris hilton, MTV retardedness, reckless bankers, illegal aliens, home flippers, tax cheaters, entertainers, inside traders, atheletes, speculators, criminals, social network startup flippers, liars



educated hard working savers who produce something




next generation Americans


college educated white collar professionals are the suckers in US system.....all the education and debt, all the taxes (highest income tax bracket),  all the productivity growth, all the unpaid overtime, and none of the welfare, none of the union protection, none of the inheritance and connections.


In other countries above is reversed. Chinese don't worship whores like snooki and their leaders are engineers who think long term.


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:04 | 2563509 economics9698
economics9698's picture


This only looks at the economics.  The mother fucking politicians destroyed lower middle and middle income families with their fucked up incentives created by welfare, section 8, food stamps, child support, and the money gravy train for brood mares.  

No one understands it and the government fucks that benefit from the destruction of the American family.  Jails, courts, cops, judges, welfare bureaucracies, a whole fucking economy designed to jail, enslave, and grow up idiot kids who vote for Obama.

These mother fuckers will pay in the next few decades.  These mother fuckers think they can fuck over America for their personal gain and get the fuck away with it?

I and others will track these mother fuckers down wherever these vermin choose to live and hang them.  Its all a fucking game for these elite mother fuckers untill the day they are hanging from the end of a rope or their head is on a spike.

1950 out of wedlock births blacks 24%

1950 out of wedlock births white 4%.

2012 out of wedlock births blacks 73%

2012 out of wedlock births whites 26%

This was intentional destruction of the family by our government since 1962 by the vermin who run the federal government.  These bastards will pay.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:19 | 2563548 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture

How many of the mother fuckers are fucking hypocrite government contractor assholes like you?   If you are so incredibly self-sufficient and otherwise morally superior to everyone you hate, why do you need to work for the government you despise?  Have you no principles at all other than your steadfast intent to blame everyone else for your own personal failures?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:06 | 2563674 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

I am beginning to think that you are definitely a government contractor.    You sort of remind me of the gay "anti-gay" preacher...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:13 | 2563680 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture

go fuck yourself and your government contractor friend economics9698.  Look it up.  He is a government contractor.  He admitted it on a past thread, then went dark for a few weeks and then came back with his complete idiocy that people like you obviously adore.  Fuck you.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:23 | 2563720 economics9698
economics9698's picture


What I witnessed in my lifetime was the intentional destruction of a country and civilization by a few perverted greedy bastards.  Please excuse me if I get a little upset.  Watching Rome burn, watching America destroyed, pisses me off.

Knowing the 6,000 super elites, who they are, how they think, gives me the resolve to find these mother fuckers when this shit collapses.  These mother fuckers think they will walk away from this with their gold and live in Brazil fucking whores the rest of their lives, no way.  These mother fuckers will be chased to the ends of the earth much more than the Jews chased the NAZIs after WWII.

Give it a decade, watch.

To the screwball I was in Venezuela dodging bullets and witnessing the full blown destruction of a society by the same mother fuckers I am referring to above.



Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:25 | 2563731 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture

After you up arrowed yourself, did you go cash one of your government checks?  

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:09 | 2563829 economics9698
economics9698's picture

If you want to trash me please be more creative.  Its boring.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:19 | 2563859 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture

Admit you are a government contractor.  Or if you prefer, I'll find your prior post.  Or are you ashamed of the truth like most of your ilk?

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 01:29 | 2564120 ffart
ffart's picture

What's the big deal? We're all whores for Uncle Sam now.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 01:53 | 2564150 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture


Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:17 | 2565082 Sabibaby
Sabibaby's picture

Despite the comments section this was a great three part series. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:48 | 2563785 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

Being told to go fuck myself by LTER is a badge of honor.  Thank you, sir, may I have another, you glittering jewel of colossal ignorance!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:03 | 2563815 LetThemEatRand
LetThemEatRand's picture

Fuck you.  There's another.  Go worship your government friend.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 01:35 | 2564129 LouisDega
LouisDega's picture

Here here. Hes just a guest. Have a little respect for the guest. Ill put up a pot of coffee give him a cookie

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 02:24 | 2564179 Ineverslice
Ineverslice's picture

Sir, does your wife know that u are gay?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:21 | 2563867 AurorusBorealus
AurorusBorealus's picture

Unfortunately, some "elite" did not destroy the family.  Feminism and impulses inherent in the ideas of "liberty" upon which America was founded destroyed the family.  The destruction of family in favor of individual liberty was inevitable.

If you do not believe me, read John Locke's 2 Treatises on Government: the same John Locke who wrote (100 years before the Declaration of Independence) that "all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights: among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of property."  If you still do not believe me, read the correspondence between Abigail Adams and her husband, John Adams.  If you still do not believe me, read John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty."

"No fault" divorce became law in the United States in 1972 (roughly contemporary with Roe v. Wade and the end of the gold standard).  This was by popular desire and in accord with the ideas of liberalism / libertarianism.  This plague, however, was not unleashed by any "elite."  This plague was carried and unleashed by the masses.

You are correct, however, to observe that the massive rise in poverty and the welfare state goes hand-in-hand with the path of family destruction that divorce and unwed motherhood has carved through American life.  These forces have been every bit as devastating as any soft money policies.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:55 | 2564076 RafterManFMJ
RafterManFMJ's picture

But I like unwed mothers. So EZ to just dump one in, and C ya later!

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 06:19 | 2564344 economics9698
economics9698's picture

Economics destroyed the USA family.  Read Charles Murray's "Losing Ground" or "Coming Apart" for more detail.  The destruction of the family in America was intentional by design for the benefit of the incarceration industry and government bureaucrats.  Government contractors have been lining up for decades to feed at the corpse of the American middle and lower class families.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 06:40 | 2564369 AnAnonymous
AnAnonymous's picture

Unfortunately, some "elite" did not destroy the family. Feminism and impulses inherent in the ideas of "liberty" upon which America was founded destroyed the family. The destruction of family in favor of individual liberty was inevitable.


But Americanism is the best to have ever happened to humanity, how dare you!

Signed: an American.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:45 | 2564058 Cosimo de Medici
Cosimo de Medici's picture

Wow, so many tough guys on ZH.  With so much claimed bravery and militaristic skill, it's a wonder the US ever even got in the position it's in now.  Woulda thought real men like you would have prevented it.  So you're gonna track them all down and string'em up, eh?  At the moment, though, I guess you're just too busy? Impotence apparently has a voice, and ZH is its outlet.  Vent fella.

Should the system collapse in its entirety, and things become as horrific as the Doomsters hope, I'll bet the roving bands of zombies make a stew or jerky out of you and your kids before you have a chance to get those who are the object of your false bravado.  If you haven't been ruthless up to now, you'll be competing against those for whom ruthless has been a way of life.  Odds favor them, whether it's a gang member from Crenshaw, a Xe employee, or one of the ruling elite.  Sorry, you lose again.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 06:14 | 2564341 economics9698
economics9698's picture

I am the gang MF.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 06:42 | 2564373 AnAnonymous
AnAnonymous's picture

Punchy delivery of well known facts.

Venting impotence through an unthreatening release outlet is US citizen definition of freedom of speech.

That is why they need nonsentical dictatures to give flesh to their fantasy. That is why they need to believe that this kind of venting is forbidden in foreign nations.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:56 | 2565205 akak
akak's picture

And that is why the Communist Chinese dictatorship puts a firewall around most sites on the internet and prevents free access to it by their captive subjects (a.k.a. Chinese Citizenism citizens), and routinely arrests and kills political protestors and dissidents.  That is why they also send out their online trolls, such as you, to monolize the speeching means, throat your deranged mind, offuscate profusely and just generally blob-up the conversation in open and honest forums such as this one.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:15 | 2563536 Fake Jim Quinn
Fake Jim Quinn's picture

Finally -- someone who gets it. Quinn moans ad infinitum about the plight of the middle class without ever laying the blame where it deserves to be -- on the people who are so easily enamored by idiotic celebrity nonsense, the 1% athletes who laugh at the moronic fans who cheer their mercenary tendencies and billionaire owners, and the very same people make fun of "nerds" who excel in school. They are to blame for the low culture these people bring on themselves. The middle class can stop being victims by trying to be like "Tiger Mom" Amy Chua and raising children that can actually read, comprehend and heaven forbid do some algebra. They can start saving money and not spending on the 1% -- no credit card fees, no cable bill to see Snookie. If they soend time reading and finding part-time work instead of hours/day of TV, some productivity might emerge. What a concept

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:18 | 2563600 nmewn
nmewn's picture

If this entire thread wasn't so hysterically funny it would be depressingly obvious.


lol...Quinn and DP are ying & yang...hit counts.

Seriously, first comment and six minutes later with that screed? He either lurks 24/7 or has a heads up.

I was born but it wasn't yesterday.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 04:27 | 2564267 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

A heads up!

You were hatched!

SmokeyQuinn is my Useful Idiot.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 18:30 | 2566659 nmewn
nmewn's picture

lol...if you say two make a helluva pair ;-)

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:40 | 2563917 Dugald
Dugald's picture

O say can't you see how they are sticking it to we...or....Where ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise......!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:47 | 2563024 LowProfile
LowProfile's picture

Quinn's a dickhead, true...  But write all that just because he's not quite ready to accept there are mass-murdering traitors a the highest levels of our government?

That's kind of hard for anyone to accept dude...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:52 | 2563038 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

The OffalCIAl version of events on September 11, 2001 is the greatest hoax in modern world history, and is used to manipulate ignorant people for political purposes.  9/11 was a CIA/ MIC coup d’état and has led to a total undermining the Constitution, launching illegal wars, and subjecting people to an unrestricted neo-Nazi police state.

NWO Terrorism involves the use of acts of unrestricted violence and threats of more terror to instill fear into the host population in order to manipulate it for political purposes. 

The ameriKlan government uses terrorism as governing policy to manipulate people.

The purpose of 911…

·         To enable the rapid introduction of police state laws under the guise of "War AND Terror".

·         To kick start a mass program of propaganda against Muslims and the Arab World, in preparation for war by Zionists on the Islamic World.

·         To brazenly and openly loot the public treasury for private ends.


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:03 | 2563062 withnmeans
withnmeans's picture

I think all the ZHer's knew most of this already, USA has been moving towards the "aka redneck beer drinking couch slobishness life style for decades now". It is by design I suppose, not ours of course.

With these entitlements, can you expect it to go any other way. Why should they do anything "no incentive", if somebody gives you a handout to sit on your ass, believe me, not very many people would turn it down!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:14 | 2563077 Paul Atreides
Paul Atreides's picture

Would 'Death & Gravity' and 'Xenofrog'...I repeat 'Death & Gravity' and 'Xenofrog'...please report to the 9/11 spill on the latest Zerohedge article please.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:14 | 2563090 malek
malek's picture


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:05 | 2563332 DollarMenu
DollarMenu's picture

9/11 spill indeed.

The post goes up @ 17:15, and Pierre has a full blown

text with links up by 17:21- sort of Patriot Act like.

Of course the Pierre post has nothing to do with the original

posting, just some maneuvering attack on the author, Quinn,

apparently for his failure to incorporate the truth about some other lie.

What parts of this writing of Quinn's do you find untruthful/against your personal dogma?

You may have some 9/11 points Pierre, but stay on topic, please.


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:30 | 2563570 earleflorida
earleflorida's picture

Christ! The guys a paid shill to throw out half-truths and disinformation to kill-the-thread. pie`rre's a propaganda queen, period! Shit, didn't anyone read and comprehend Mr. Quinn's fantastic trilogy! This thingamajig of a pierre has re-engineered this entire piece into a tasteless ingsoc travesty, trumpeting ignorance over empathy... this Machiavellian disciple!!! 

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 04:03 | 2564248 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

You must really love the taste of SmokeyQuinn's shit.

Deleting a few comments once in a while on your own blog is one thing...

But deleting entire 9/11 threads, which Mr.DimWit/SmokeyQuinn started, and then LYING about it, is something else.

Do you also believe that posting phony comments under various aliases repeatedly in your own blog is okay?


Some basic research.


Go back and read SmokeyQuinn's sordid history.

Some classic shit SmokeyQuinn ran on his blog.




Jason Rines, @ Smokey Quinn's former webmaster...

"Smokey and Jim are the same people, YES.

I mapped both the I.P.'s back to his office at Wharton."

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:01 | 2563662 essence
essence's picture

So, I'm looking over the comments to this excellent Jim Quinn post and I see all sorts of infighting.

What, Quinn apparently doesn't believe 9/11 was false flag? Duly noted ... but what does that have to do with this article where he hits an absolute home run in summing up what happened and how we got screwed the last few decades.

@ David Pierre -- check the big chip on your shoulder at the door please and stop letting it influence your objectively.  This post of Jim Quinn nailed it and stands on its own merits regardless of other factors.

As an aside, it confirmed that I neglected the true genius of George Carlin in his later years when his commentary had more political bite (hey, I was pre-occupied and otherwise busy with life).
Oh well, George gets his recognition from me -- posthumously.



Wed, 06/27/2012 - 04:25 | 2564281 goldfish1
goldfish1's picture

When a person's premise lacks the depth of insight to an affair like 911lie, their position is then likewise tainted and their motives questionable.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:10 | 2563688 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

Pierre has a very, very unhealthy fixation on Quinn.  I think Quinn stole his girlfriend in the third grade, or something like that.


He's never gotten over it.  Dickhead Pierre is a big, fat baby.  I tire of him.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:10 | 2563081 old naughty
old naughty's picture

This is one sad drama.

Let's change the movie please.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:21 | 2563113 greyghost
greyghost's picture

i just want to know if he blamed it on eroei and peak oil or is it just peak bullshit?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:34 | 2563422 Jim Quinn
Jim Quinn's picture

Ignorance is a choice.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 02:35 | 2564189 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

You choose to be an ignorant egotist.

The proliferation of the 9/11 Big Lie has been spread by you and other mouthpieces in the corporate media. The purpose is to convince the ignorant masses.

The Boomer propaganda being spouted by those who depend upon 'divide and conquer' politics shows your ameriKlan ignorance is relentless.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

The USSA has experienced an abnormal amount of  psychotic blogging by the citizens of the Neo-Nazi country, aided and abetting in the Offal-CIAl 9/11 cover-up.

Tell ZH something we don't already know.  Enough with your cribbed charts and graphs and regurgitated porn of economic Doom.


“If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without them knowing it.”

You’re Not in Kansas Anymore SmokeyQuinn.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:32 | 2563576 earleflorida
earleflorida's picture

Drama!!!  You can't handle a drama! 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:44 | 2563291 SwingForce
SwingForce's picture

That's funny, it may be true for some people, but not me. I use my extra time on the couch to Read ZEROHEDGE and find out the story that I was always TOO BUSY WORKING  to investigate. H.m.m.m.m.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 01:14 | 2564100 Pee Wee
Pee Wee's picture

Please leave my couch out of this.

Savers are keeping every nickel the couch-collector can get from people on their asses.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 05:31 | 2564310 e-recep
e-recep's picture

Watch the movie "Idiocracy" if you haven't watched it yet. Yep, that's exactly where USA is heading to.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:42 | 2563926 Dugald
Dugald's picture

Ah yes......The American Way........facinating....

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:45 | 2563167 cougar_w
cougar_w's picture

Just because I think for myself doesn't make me stupid.

And I bet you don't even understand what the means.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:25 | 2563237 Errol
Errol's picture

Mr Pierre,

I know it is reasurring to believe that there is some cabal of evil geniuses controlling the world's economic system - at least SOMEONE smart is in control, right?  Sorry, but the much more scary truth is that the world is in the early stage of an unending economic contraction due to a steady decline in the EROEI of fossil fuels, agravated by a collection of multinational (read: patriot of no nation) individuals and corporations who are engaged in trying to bite off a big chunk for themselves before it all devolves into chaos and anarchy.

BTW, the NWO already exists, it's called the American Empire, and it's global in its reach.  The USA didn't spend trillions on weapons systems just to allow the NWO to be headquartered ANYWHERE other than Manhatten.  But the gradual decline in petroleum flow makes a global empire a situation with a foreseeable life span.  It will end within the lifetimes of children already born, any technocornucopian hubris to the contrary.  The future will feature an endless series of struggles to control the last bits of easily extracted oil (the only reason we meddle in the Middle East at all).

Prepare accordingly.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:23 | 2563248 sgt_doom
sgt_doom's picture

No doubt others are marking you down as you speak the brutal truth.

This blog poster quotes Ferguson (and his book at one end of the reading list, with Donald Gibson's Battling Wall Street:  The Kennedy Presidency, at the other, should be mandatory reading for ALL Americans), but then he later cites Ron Paul -- who has frequently introduced anti-worker legislation in congress --- that goes against my grain, especially in these times.

I agree with your sentiments, until people can either become more moral and honest, or face the truth they are too cowardly to face, we will gain zero traction in America.

Arthur Ponsonby explained it all many, many years ago in his book about the falsehoods leading to World War I.

I.F. Stone explained it again and again for many years, when MacArthur received the intel on the buildup of troops in Korea, but allowed it to take place.

MacArthur, whose cousin, John D. MacArthur, was the biggest insurance fraud in American history until AIG happened!

The truth, when ugly, is difficult to take, but until the truth is promulgated, all else is suspect!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:13 | 2563534 earleflorida
earleflorida's picture

marking him down!?! 

this pierre idiot, hijacks a magnificent piece of contemporary literature and fucks up the entire flow of constructive discourse because he's obviously incapable of holding a dialogue! your a pathetic misanthropist... madam, you are a cunt, period!!! 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:48 | 2563936 Cathartes Aura
Cathartes Aura's picture

oooh eerr, that's a bit rude. . .

no wonder you love Quinn.

9-11 is a litmus test, don't expect to be taken seriously if you fail.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:31 | 2563405 Jim Quinn
Jim Quinn's picture

Mental illness is a disease. Send your donations to

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:46 | 2563463 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

Find the time to learn macro social/political history and leave all your smoke and mirrors, economic voodoo and wishlist of bullshit behind.  Have you learned nothing reading at ZH over the past years?  It seems all you want to do is publish your weak and regurgitated pop culture pabulum to generate traffic to your blog @

9/11Morons have blindly accepted, without any proof, the Fascist government and controlled media's tale that nineteen magical  Arabs, who lacked basic piloting skills, were responsible for the coordinated precision aerial attacks and subsequent explosive carnage and total destruction of 9/11. On the other hand, the Zionist controlled ameriKlan  government and lapdog MSM media have shown absolutely no interest in probing the overwhelming evidence or looking into the thousands of unanswered questions surrounding the false flag attacks.

There can only be one logical explanation for the persistent avoidance of the evidence by the corrupt institutions and international mafia dons who refuse to lead a new investigation.  It is because all the evidence does not fit and totally contradicts the fictitious tale they have presented to the public. The number of people who realize that the government and media have lied about 9/11 is significant and continues to grow all the time. The pack of lies surrounding the attacks has been thoroughly exposed and can no longer be supported. Unable to defend their fictional tale against the evidence presented by honest scientists and writers, the defenders of the lie, use disinformation, defamation, and slander to try and contain the truth and prevent it from spreading like wildfire.

Although 9/11 is disguised and interpreted by the government and media as an act of terrorism carried out by Islamic fanatics, the overwhelming evidence indicates that it was a carefully planned false-flag attack carried out by the Israeli military after years of planning and preparation.


 Solving 9-11:

The Deception That Changed the World            

 Christopher Bollyn

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:38 | 2563766 Jim Quinn
Jim Quinn's picture

Forgot to take your lithium today?

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:31 | 2564024 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

September 11, 2001 was USSA government created. THE paradigm shattering world event, a so-called 'terrorist incident' orchestrated to gain unquestioned control over the many blind, deaf and dumb of the world. Americans, and especially writers like you SmokeyQuinn, will need to be much more vigilant and connect the obvious and undeniable scientific facts.

The NWO/Nazi government uses fear as its primary means of control of the American sheep.

"Fear of foreign terrorists, fear of flying, fear of WMD, fear of mushroom clouds, fear of the axis of evil, fear of economic collapse, fear of a Great Depression,"... and fear of that biggest bogey man of all,... Osama Bin Laden and his magical band of 19 Arab elves.

"This attack by a crazy man will lead to further losses of liberties and freedoms. That is a certainty."

Your almost there... Get a stubby crayon out of your Mickey Mouse, Wharton issued school bag and connect the rest of those great big dots.

I will check your very slow educational progress in Special Class next time you post on ZH.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 14:04 | 2565680 Jim Quinn
Jim Quinn's picture

Please save the sheep. David Pierre is known as the Jerry Sandusky of Canada except its sheep that need to be scared.

Please send your donations to

Have you hugged a sheep today?

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 15:25 | 2566027 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

When are you going to restart that 9/11 thread that you so bravely deleted from your blog?

You're my extra special Useful Idiot.

Thanks for playing ... MORON.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 18:13 | 2566615 Jim Quinn
Jim Quinn's picture

You need help. You're a mentally ill nutjob consumed by hate. As you can see from your 1st post, all normal people agree.

What a pathetic excuse for a human being you are, stewing in a cauldron of hatred who keeps a list of standard posts copied and ready to be used over and over again.

You must hate yourself and what you've become. So sad to witness mental illness on display.

You are sitting at your computer waiting for me to respond because your life is so shallow and meaningless. Back to the barn. They're waiting.


Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:57 | 2564080 Terminus C
Terminus C's picture

Do you believe the official 9/11 account?

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 03:41 | 2564209 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

Here's a typical, if less obscene, response from SmokeyQuinn to a polite comment at his sheep blog...


"Administrator says:

It is good that you were able to take time out from the truther sheep fuck convention to develop a sitcom. I hear JFK is on today. You can sit in front of your TV and jerk off to it. Do you have any ideas about detective dads that bring up morons? By the number of thumbs up you received, it appears that the 9/11 truther retards are still onboard. I guess no other sites will have you mongoloids.

The truthers swarmed the site with their bullshit immediately. Anyone who has been on my site for the last two years realizes that if you don’t have facts to back up your argument, I will obliterate you.

I had the facts when Jason Rines pulled the plug on my old site.

I really don’t care who I offend.

Anyone who has been offended can hit the fucking road.

Then all of the truthers I’ve offended today can quit my site. They can discuss gravity, explosives, jet fuel, video clips of the Pentagon, and how to properly fuck a sheep*."

Since you say you were a firefighter, that makes you an intelligent person.

You should really have special insight into the 9/11 towers. You are a bonafide sleuth.

You really have that mystery solved.

Nobody can pull anything over on you. You are too smart to fall for any tricks.

You are a mystery solver. A man with keen analytical skills. —-A fucking inbred, maggot-infested douchebag. You and all of the rest of the duped Truthers eat dog shit."


 That's just one of the more intelligent responses from SmokeyQuinn.

Oh yes... That is only a very small segment of the bile posted on his site.

If you like ... archived on ZH, is some of the racists rants of SmokeyQuinn that ultimately got him shit canned by his previous webmaster (Jason Rines) a couple of years ago.  His webmaster outed him for posting comments under various aliases and will have nothing more to do with him.

Since then he has deleted both 9/11 threads and his racist articles off his pathetic new blog's archive to try and cover his shit-stained tracks.

 SmokeyQuinn speaks with forked tongue!...a two-faced LIAR !


*Quinn's favorite activity

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:35 | 2563428 dolce vita
dolce vita's picture

not feeling bound by the need for circumspection....


1. the above premise has no need to promote or deny 9-11 truthism. it is entirely within the realm of planned murderous posibillity...question is...did it wake you up ?

2. statistically-- dense urban metros could easy become war white yellow purple brown or green.... dont matter...plan your egress.

3. no doubt there is subterfuge for you and you future ....remaining a simpleton has grave conseqences. these venal parisites will suck and kill without trepidation.

4.  the above measures for political and economic change is a good start at comprehesitivity....i would take these over the" Geogia guide stones".

5. if these twisted freaks want to expedite the chaos.... just cut off the food, welfare /EBTs  and try to confiscate your gold and would be a slow boil to mayhem but if this is THE plan.............i recommend the PACIFIC NORTHWEST for true Patriots..... 

6. this whole F***ING conversation sickens me....i need more ammo.



Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:28 | 2564018 dolce vita
dolce vita's picture

what....a bogey for spelling ? get the gist.[  just the pinot g --kickin' in]

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:01 | 2563508 earleflorida
earleflorida's picture

you are without a doubt the scum of all blogs,... your an idiot pierre!!!

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 03:44 | 2564256 DavidPierre
DavidPierre's picture

This is Fight Club you ass kissing moron.

If you cannot handle it just fuck off.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:21 | 2563863 WillyGroper
WillyGroper's picture

David PeeAir.

Thu, 06/28/2012 - 21:01 | 2571804 toncuz
toncuz's picture

Simple solution..."The Single Tax" ASSETS...not INCOME

Let the producers flourish...let the pig hoarders / speculators go back to real work.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:22 | 2562931 The Alarmist
The Alarmist's picture

Only 46m out of 310m in poverty ... that's way below one half. We still have plenty of time to worry about worrying.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:23 | 2562936 Dan The Man
Dan The Man's picture

i'm not waiting


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:23 | 2562937 tekhneek
tekhneek's picture

"I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TV's while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!""

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:52 | 2563037 A Lunatic
A Lunatic's picture

Just got back in from burning all my shit; the car, house, camper...........even burned down the damned chicken coop. Fuck I hate chickens, filthy little bastards.........Now what?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:12 | 2563084 graneros
graneros's picture

Wow that sounds like a lot of work.  Lucky me I live in Colorado. All I have to do is wait around a bit and it will all be taken care of.  Had plans to finish the chicken coops later this summer but fuck it.  Why bother?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:18 | 2563105 taxpayer102
taxpayer102's picture



@A Lunatic

What was your Plan B, you always need one.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:27 | 2563391 The Limerick King
The Limerick King's picture

Thanks belly-laugh I've had in a few weeks.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:11 | 2563082 exi1ed0ne
exi1ed0ne's picture

Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution.

Now I understand everyone's shit's emotional right now. But I've got a 3 point plan that's going to fix EVERYTHING.

Number 1: We've got this guy Not Sure.
Number 2: He's got a higher IQ than ANY MAN ALIVE. and
Number 3: He's going to fix EVERYTHING

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:18 | 2563106 graneros
graneros's picture

You forgot the best part.  When it's all fixed Not Sure's gonna treat us all to Starbucks.  Yea baby.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:42 | 2563605 tekhneek
tekhneek's picture

Free starbucks? Aww yeah fuck.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:32 | 2564028 Cosimo de Medici
Cosimo de Medici's picture

plus ça change

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:24 | 2562939 bob_dabolina
bob_dabolina's picture

The truth is the bottom 20% are mostly penned up in our urban ghettos located in Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, NYC, LA, Atlanta, Miami, and the hundreds of other decaying metropolitan meccas.


Your foul and divisive verbiage is the reason this country is falling apart.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:28 | 2562951 Dan The Man
Dan The Man's picture

Yah!  And what about all the trailer parks...christ there's a jillion of them.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:31 | 2562964 Mr Lennon Hendrix
Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

DUmb white people are smarter than dumb black people because their brains are bigger.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:24 | 2563549 Fake Jim Quinn
Fake Jim Quinn's picture

Racist stupidity has no place here. We may argue about a lot on the site but crap that divides people is incendiary. Brilliant minds talk about concepts and unity; idiot minds call people names and promote separation. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:27 | 2563888 Zero Debt
Zero Debt's picture

Unity as in debt unions?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:29 | 2562957 Mr Lennon Hendrix
Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

If the CIA hadn't assasinated Bobby Seale then the urban areas may have prospered.  Unfortunately they inner cities lost their leaders because the CIA murdered them all and then the CIA started the War on Drugs, which meant the CIA shipped the drugs in themselves.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:38 | 2562985 bob_dabolina
bob_dabolina's picture

It's actually Bush's fault, because he was a mean spirited racist and a white supremacist illuminatti.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:39 | 2562997 Lucky Guesst
Lucky Guesst's picture

Correct... always BIOB :-)

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:43 | 2563002 bob_dabolina
bob_dabolina's picture

I was just experimenting with what it felt like to act like a liberal with my two comments above.

Now that the experiment is over, I feel dirty and need to take a shower.

Kudos to Jim Quinn for authoring the above article. It was a very good piece.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:02 | 2563059 Gimp
Gimp's picture

Glad your back Bob...getting worried there for a minute.

if I hear "It's Bush's fault" one more time I am going to give myself a swirlie.


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:19 | 2563109 bob_dabolina
bob_dabolina's picture

Oh, I never left, I've been in ZCHAT, you should check it out.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:08 | 2563219 narapoiddyslexia
narapoiddyslexia's picture

Its Cheney's fault.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:28 | 2563128 Lucky Guesst
Lucky Guesst's picture

Your experiment totally failed because you couldn't even fake it lol I could tell you were being funny.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:32 | 2563137 billwilson
billwilson's picture

Funny? Liberals don't make that kind of shit up (that's for lying POS like Romney). Bush is a war criminal. He did authorize torture. He did bring in the Orwellian Patriot Act. He did launch unescessary wars and refused to find a way to pay for them (except borrow more). He was not racist or part of the illuminati (that we know of), but he was the worst president in living memory. Just remembering that crap makes me need to take a shower.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:00 | 2563200 knightowl77
knightowl77's picture

Waterboarding ain't torture numbnuts...breaking bones, cutting off limbs is torture...

Is Obama paying for anything? mmmmmm nope....Obummer is killing people with drones, even personally selecting who is to be killed/murdered. More Americans have died in Afghanistan under the Obaminator than Bush but the Obummer gets a peace prize????? WTF


Obama renewed the Patriot Act and increased its powers....The worst prez in history is Jimmy Carter and in the running for first place is the Obumbler....Bush was bad, Obumbler is worse by an order of magnitude....Go take that shower, because according to you shit smells good...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:29 | 2563260 sgt_doom
sgt_doom's picture

See, there ya go injecting logic into the discussion --- these blog posters severely hate logic; that's why they keep embracing GS and Timothy Geithner's (and Simon Johnson -- faux lib) favorite toy, the NAKED SWAP.

They need their naked swaps, after all!

Hey, they deserve it for all that soldiering, and manual labor, and difficult thinking in innovating they all did (OK, this last sentence is PURELY sarcastic!!!!).

Let me give a synopsis that this blog poster wouldn't or couldn't:


(1)  Unlimited unregistered trusts

(2) Unlimited number of investers allowed per hedge fund

(3) Unlimited access to DTCC's Stock Borrow Program

(4) Unlimited number of commodity futures contracts

(5) Unlimited number of credit default swaps (naked swaps)

Any questions?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:42 | 2563606 Fake Jim Quinn
Fake Jim Quinn's picture

And the CIA is forcing ice into eveyone -- which by the way can be made in garages without any sophisticated drug network. Your premise fails on even the slightest empirical inspection. When are you going to stop blaming people hiding in trees and start to recognize that individuals make choices. If they want to dope themselves, they will. No organized secret society needed. This empire is failing because the people can't handle what they've received. So wicked, elite people seize the opportunity because they're not altruistic nice people. That's life in the big city

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:41 | 2564049 Cosimo de Medici
Cosimo de Medici's picture

Plus, he gets befuddled by the Law of Large Numbers.  Take all the illicit drug sales in the world in a given year---at the wholesale level---and it doesn't add up to what the two top hedge fund managers make in a year.  Even if TPTB (the usual suspects....CIA, MI6, Queen of England, etc.) were of the mind to involve themselves in the drug trade, the money they could gain wouldn't make the effort worth it.

It's fun to believe, though.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 00:45 | 2564060 Cosimo de Medici
Cosimo de Medici's picture

You read all that on the internet, did ya?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:23 | 2562940 Mr Lennon Hendrix
Mr Lennon Hendrix's picture

Zee Germans!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:25 | 2562943 solgundy
solgundy's picture

they gave them fish and took away their fishing licenses , the PROGRESSIVE's destroyed it....and continue to ....."I will fundamentally change this Country"

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:26 | 2562947 Ned Zeppelin
Ned Zeppelin's picture


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:30 | 2562960 yabyum
yabyum's picture

The poor will always be with us. Those folks I do not worry about. I worry about the kids getting out of  college crushed with debt. I worry about hard working folks who can't find a job. What % of the 47 million would this be?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:32 | 2562966 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

If there were less incentives for the leeching poor, the productive middle class could have more custom Harleys, more frequent kitchen remodels, and larger pickup trucks. God knows that if anyone is entitled to the True American Dream, it's the productive middle class.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:37 | 2562990 Lucky Guesst
Lucky Guesst's picture

Yes. Those that work deserve whatever the heck they want to spend their own money on!!!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:39 | 2562995 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

True American Dream.

Materialism and entitlement are classless.

Party on, Garth.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:18 | 2563104 Lucky Guesst
Lucky Guesst's picture

What the fuck are you talking about? Materialism? Give me a break. If someone works their ass off and wants to buy himself a new truck... Hell yeah. Its not entitlement if you earned it JACKASS

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:25 | 2563119 Lucky Guesst
Lucky Guesst's picture

I guess you think its real "classy" to sit around and worry about what people do with their money. Mind your own business.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:53 | 2563186 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture


Not really.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:22 | 2563722 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

Spas,  were YOU pretending to be a liberal TOO?

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 02:58 | 2564217 AnAnonymous
AnAnonymous's picture

God knows that if anyone is entitled to the True American Dream, it's the productive middle class.


In US citizenism, middle class is the king class.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:28 | 2565116 akak
akak's picture

In Chinese Citizenism, every ass is the roadside-shitting ass.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:34 | 2562975 hellas4life
hellas4life's picture

how would it look if you display credit market debt per capita?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:35 | 2562980 MillionDollarBogus_
MillionDollarBogus_'s picture

"...only children of the wealthy have the opportunity to become successful."...


Did the author forget about hard work, intelligence and a bit of luck?

And who or what defines success?



Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:36 | 2562984 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

You do?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:42 | 2563007 resurger
resurger's picture


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:48 | 2563027 crawldaddy
crawldaddy's picture

the most important variable as to your future earning is..wait for it..... who you were born to..

If you want a chance to move up the earning ladder move to finland, yeah finland

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:51 | 2563034 SWCroaker
SWCroaker's picture

Egads.  I clicked, and then was mortified at who I'd just greened.  Then I re-read the poster ID and all was well...


Phew.  Close one.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:23 | 2563727 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

I know.  Good stuff.  I did a double take, too.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:07 | 2563071 Caviar Emptor
Caviar Emptor's picture

I've predicted for 2 years here that in the coming economy it will be more likely for an American to inherit than earn a net worth in the millions. And guess what? 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:50 | 2563177 cougar_w
cougar_w's picture

+1 Insightful

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 18:51 | 2563181 smiler03
smiler03's picture

Guess what?

That you're stating the bleeding obvious. Have a gold star.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:42 | 2563288 Caviar Emptor
Caviar Emptor's picture

aww you'll get your gold star if you want it bad enough

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:26 | 2563388 moonstears
moonstears's picture

Oh, I predict, Sir, we'll all be fucking millionaires, at some point, for some period, here in the USA before 2032. What'll a million buy, though?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:15 | 2563230 Bollixed
Bollixed's picture

Once again MillionDollarBogus shows he's no MillionDollarBonus...

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:58 | 2563653 LMAOLORI
LMAOLORI's picture

Jim Quinn is full of leftist bullshit

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:26 | 2563734 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

That's funny stuff, there...  You're terrible at faking a troll, though.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:35 | 2562982 mjk0259
mjk0259's picture

Spot on except I would not blame the Department of Education for failing schools in areas like Philadelphia. The Department of Education doesn't seem to worry about much - maybe women's sports in college.In NJ, the schools in those areas spend more money per student than the average town financed by state income tax.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:37 | 2562988 Spastica Rex
Spastica Rex's picture

The purpose of the FDoEd is to funnel money to Gates, Broad, and Walton.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:56 | 2563044 SWCroaker
SWCroaker's picture

Spot on only if you answer "Yes!" to the question: "Should government have zero restraint on taxes, tax different groups differently, and ultilize said proceeds to buy influence, power, and control of your life decisions?"


If not, then the response to any question that involves the word "tax" is most likely: no.  No again.  Not.  Nien.  Get your hand out of my pocket, and get your busy body do-gooding self out of my life, I can run it way better than you can, and what's more I've earned the right to run it, you're just an appointed dweeb with a Napoleon complex.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 19:16 | 2563231 mjk0259
mjk0259's picture

Yes, they should tax different groups differently. Specifically, those who get most of their income from activities that don't actually produce anything (traders, hedge fund managers, etc) should pay much more percentage of their income in tax than people who produce something (farmer, factory worker,etc). And higher income people should pay a higher percentage. This is universal - either the tax rates are higher for high income people or everyone gets benefits like health insurance which is effectively the same thing since the low income people pay less.



Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:50 | 2563451 SWCroaker
SWCroaker's picture

No.  Don't fix problems after the fact.  Collect and re-distribute is a duct tape fix.

You want taxation to take away money that *you* feel people shouldn't have.  Well, if some government rule is aiding them in collecting that money, then get rid of the rule and let them compete for money like the rest of us.  As a consumer, you can *choose* who you give your money to, and if the masses like someone or someone's product that you don't support, it isn't your business to be fiddling with things after the fact.  As a taxpayer, you have no choice; all of the power is in the hands of butt presenters in government and butt kissers who know who controls their fate.  They divy up your money between them, and you're not invited to sit at the table when they negotiate the deal.


Restated: work for a system that doesn't reward people whose income "doesn't produce anything", rather than one where you empower government (the enabler, protector and "regulator" of those very same people) to funnel money their way in the first place but then magnanimously take from them after the fact.  Government created the problem, and now you want them to, not fix it, but balance the wrong by further wrong.


Instead, go after the initial inequitable distribution issue, but do it by simple fair rules that set an even field for competition.  Insist that your money is yours, don't be a sheep, and the issue with predatory non-productive feed-off-of-the-masses businesses will fix themselves.  Fair even rules for competing is morally correct, expecting bland homogeneous earnings regardless of skill set and effort is not morally correct, and smacks of playing GOD.  Society *always* has snake-oil salesmen that act like white blood cells, culling the weak minded and gullible.  But only when they have the protection/mandate of government assistance do the snake-oil salesmen grow out of balance in number, scope and power.


PS.  *I am* a "higher income" people; I have 5 college degrees (3 computer, 2 Aerospace Engineering) that I frickin paid for with money from hard work, merit based scholarship, hours of study and drilling, and years of being separated from my wife.  I'm quite comfortable saying I've earned my wages through abilities and behaviors others have not matched.  I resent your assumption that I owe my success in some way to either being connected (seriously not true) or that I was in some way "smiled upon" by society and received some sort of assistance the rest didn't.  Also seriously not true.  What I have achieved has been in spite of a society that promotes mediocrity and welfare, not because of it.

Last but not least, you are misusing the word "insurance".  Insurance is not a "benefit", it is a purchased product.  It is a system whereby collections of individuals can mitigate the cost of infrequent unforeseen events, in a contractual agreement that they *choose* because they feel it is affordable and to their benefit.  Insurance when handled by a group of competitive providers has to continually balance their cost charged with what customers set as a too-expensive-for-me threshold.  The moment government steps in and mandates that all must have insurance is the same moment that the insurance providers can begin ramping rates to the moon in full confidence their pay will come, not from wage earners, but from taxation entitlements collected for them by the government. 

mjk0259, the fend-for-yourself world only looks scary from where we are today. If you had been born into that world, you'd have learned self-reliance, the importance of self-improvement, and the confidence to spot and avoid all kinds of cons rip-offs and scams.  You'd exist with extreme confidence that anything you gained would be yours to keep.  You would treasure and feel good about what you earned, and with a true understanding of your future needs and income situation might even partake in charity of your choice to those less fortunate or able.

Our world of entitlements, by comparison, teaches most of us that we can't take care of ourselves, that we're entitled to all kinds of nice goodies just because we breathe, and that it is okay to ignore that most of the cost of our free goodies is born by a mix of theft from all (inflation due to persistent deficit spending) as well as beast-of-burden taxation treatment of a numerical minority (the top 10% of wage earning families pay over 70% of collected taxes each year).  Personal charity is becoming a historical footnote, because our government in its insanity somehow believes being popular once every 4 years with the masses gives them the wisdom to enforce charity on our behalf.   

Wrong wrong wrong.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 20:58 | 2563503 mjk0259
mjk0259's picture

The top 1% have 80% of the assets. They mostly avoid taxes.You thing they should pay 1% of taxes?


Larry Ellison just spent $600 million to buy an island, not even his primary home. Should he be paying  the same income  tax amount as the handicapped guy working as a cashier at Quik Check?


The bottom 10% include many people of very low IQ who cannot cope with anything like taking care of their insurance even if they had money. Also, those that are handicapped or crazy. They cannot support themselves. Unless you want to fight them on the way to your car, some welfare is necessary. Anyone can end up there regardless of what they do, by birth, by being hit by a car, having a stroke, disease, being shot. I saw a guy on the subway who had been stabbed in both eyes and blinded - should he be paying the same tax as you on the donations he collects?

This world of entitlements does not really exist in the US. Social secuity, disability, welfare, unemployment all pay less than it costs to keep people in jail. Poverty level or maybe a little above.





Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:58 | 2563657 Likstane
Likstane's picture

You are the enemy of true freedom.  Forced benevolence is tyranny.   Keep your hands off my money. 

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 07:31 | 2564418 flattrader
flattrader's picture

Yes, you will need every penny to pay for more incarcerations in corporate prisons, higher gates for your gated community, more security guards, bigger home alarm system, trained driver, bodyguards to see your children back and forth to school, etc...

You do have all that now, don't you?

Likely not.

You are a moron.

"They" will get your money on one end or the other.  You just want the illusion that it's yours...and then pay it out for all the security measures I mentioned above rather than provide some minimal safety net.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 19:24 | 2566805 Likstane
Likstane's picture

Maybe you will come and try to get my money.  Maybe you will die and maybe I will die.  I will not give it to you willingly so you can ease your conscience by "helping" others with my money. 

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 21:59 | 2563658 SWCroaker
SWCroaker's picture

The US Department of Agriculture has a campaign running in my home state of Colorado: Don't Feed the Animals.  Apparently doing so trains them to be dependent upon handouts, they lose the skills to fend for themselves, and become unruly whenever the handouts stop.

You might find it of interest that the US Department of Agriculture administers our nation's SNAP program.  What we insist on as good policy for our animal's best interests is somehow not so important when weighed against the myriad collections of self-interest that are involved in keeping a large section of the voting public wedded to dependancy upon government.


Larry Ellison didn't get his wealth by stealing it.  He was at the right place (Silicon Valley) at the right time (dawn of the computing age) with the right product (speedy reliable database technology).  He has managed to grow Oracle, a company that employes over 115,000 employees directly world wide, with software that you likely benefit from hundreds of times daily without knowing it.  Is he wealthy?  Yes.  Does this make him evil?  No.  Did he come by his money through some immoral behavior?  No.  So be jealous, dream of being Larry, but if you go farther than that you are nothing more than a common thief.    Having the government seize on your behalf doesn't absolve you of approving theft from a neighbor based upon nothing more than he has what you want.

I personally don't approve of the wealth given to athletes.  So I don't go to sporting events, don't buy goods that sponsor them when I can help it, and vote no every time my city wants to fund some new mega Colliseum. Doesn't seem to be making a dent in the money the *rest* of you funnel that direction, so it is what it is and I'm okay with that.  See the difference?  I view their wealth poorly, do what I can to avoid sending my money their way, but draw the line at the thought of robbing them of what they have apparently been willingly given by adoring fans.


If Larry and his company do collect their loot by anything other than willing customers paying for a superior product, then by all means take steps to shut down the rule/law/graft/requirement that is forcing people to pay against their will.  If you haven't noticed yet, I'm all against people being forced to pay against their will.


As for your blind guy who has been shit on by life, I'd start by pointing out that ^you^ are the one who assumes that taxes are right and proper, not me.  I don't think donations should be taxed.  I don't think dying should be a taxable event.  I don't think governments should have the right to confiscate the entirety of my house should I miss one of their property tax collections.    Our nation existed for over 150 years without income tax, and its initial introduction was on a minority (the rich) and meant to be temporary.   Welcome to the slippery slope, where today people have been indoctrinated to think of taxes as right, just, proper, a way of promoting social equality, and a way of funding safety nets for the poor and disadvantaged.


mjk0259 - Please note that the government is probably the single most inefficient, inept, bureaucratic cluster huck-up ever observed.  Why oh why would you ever prefer that rolling disaster of self-interest as a manager of your charitable contributions?   You assume that if government doesn't be charitable to your fellow on our collective behalf, then no-one will.  I stipulate that the egregious level of taxation in my life has caused me to gradually cut back on my charitable giving; decades back I indulged in it, today I'm under the hammer to deal with crowds of people (urged on by populist politicians) all surrounding me screaming "tax the f_ck out of that guy!  He has!  We don't!  We want!".    Low IQ indeed...


Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:31 | 2563750 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

You're just plain wrong.  The examples you cite are the responsibility of The Family, the Local Community and The Church, and until the war on poverty was waged by the federal government, those entities did a pretty good job of caring for the poor, disabled and indigent.

Now it's against the law, in some cities, to feed the hungry.  Gotta go through the state.

How's this Great Experiment working out for us?

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:45 | 2563933 Zero Debt
Zero Debt's picture

You can't fix the inflation tax by adding another tax on top of it.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 03:01 | 2564221 AnAnonymous
AnAnonymous's picture

Collect and re-distribute is a duct tape fix.


Then the US is a duct tape fix because the US is a story of collecting and redistribute.

Wed, 06/27/2012 - 11:33 | 2565136 akak
akak's picture


... the US is a story of collecting and redistribute.

And the central planning of Communist China's one-party dictatorship is not?

Make me laugh!

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:36 | 2562987 reader2010
reader2010's picture

Late George Carlin explains here why it has been taking place silently.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:42 | 2563010 midgetrannyporn
midgetrannyporn's picture

Many of those maggots will be dropping like flies from old age soon. Party time. I just hope my liver can take the strain.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:45 | 2563019 crawldaddy
crawldaddy's picture

cant take this joker seriously.   He has to lose the hate first in order to think clearly.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:34 | 2563755 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

What the hell are you talking about?  Did you even read the articles?  Any of them?

Can you even cite examples to support your statement?

We're waiting.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 17:49 | 2563030 SILVERGEDDON

When you have to jerk off the dog to feed the cat, you know there's gotta be a problem. Bullish on raccoon stew.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 22:37 | 2563760 mtomato2
mtomato2's picture

It is only too easy to imagine you jerking off your dog.

Wayyyy too easy.

Tue, 06/26/2012 - 23:41 | 2563920 WillyGroper
WillyGroper's picture

ROFLMAO---U made my day.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!