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 Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

Why Is Gasoline Consumption Tanking?

Gasoline deliveries reflect recession and growth. The recent drop in retail gasoline deliveries is signalling a sharp contraction ahead.

Mish recently posted some intriguing charts depicting a significant decline in gasoline consumption. Then correspondent Joe R. forwarded me this stunning chart of gasoline retail deliveries, from the U.S. Energy Information Administration: (EIA)


As Joe noted, this data is interesting because it is un-manipulated, that is, it is not "seasonally adjusted" or run through some black-box modifications like so much other government data.

Retail gasoline deliveries, already well below 1980 levels, have absolutely fallen off a cliff. Is the plunge inventory-related, i.e. are storage facilities so full that retailers are simply putting off deliveries?

Though I don't have data on hand to support this, I know from one of my correspondents who is in the gasoline distribution/delivery business that gasoline is very much a "just in time" commodity: gas stations are often close to running out of fuel when they get a delivery. Stations aren't holding huge quantities of surplus gasoline; that's not how the business works.

Given the absence of "extra storage" in gas stations (and the fact that the number of gas stations has fallen dramatically since 1980), it is reasonable to conclude that retail delivery is largely a function of demand, i.e. gasoline consumption.

Even if you dismiss the recent plunge as an outlier, the declines in retail gasoline deliveries are mind-boggling. If you look at the data from 1983 to 2011 on the link above, you will note that delivery declines align with recessions.

For example, deliveries jumped from 50.1 million gallons per day (MGD) in November 1983, when the nation was emerging from the deepest postwar recession then on record, to 58 MGD the following November (1984).

Deliveries steadily rose to a peak of 67.1 MGD in July 1998, declined marginally in the 2001-2 recession and then surged to 66.8 MGD in August 2003. If we just look at one month--say November--then we see that deliveries remained in a remarkably consistent channel from 1994 to 2008, between 54 MGD and 63 MGD, with the higher numbers occuring in the "peak bubble years" of 1998 and 2003.

In 2010, gasoline deliveries declined to the low 40s--literally falling off the charts. In November 1983, deliveries were 51.1 MGD; in November 2010, they were 42.8 MGD, and in November 2011 they were 30.9 MGD.

Does this reflect higher fuel efficiencies in the U.S. vehicle fleet? To examine fuel efficiency and other macro-trends, I assembled some charts of fuel efficiency (courtesy of the Early Warning blog) and a graph of employment, a commonly used proxy for economic activity/growth.

Let's start with some basic data about population and vehicles. There are 254 million passenger vehicles registered in the U.S. Some percentage of these are classic cars and other vehicles that aren't driven much, but nonetheless the number of vehicles that are in regular use is large.

U.S. population in 1983 was approximately 234 million. The U.S. Census Bureau estimates the current population at 313 million.

Vehicle sales declined from a record 17.4 million in 2000 to 11.5 million in 2010.

People are driving less: The Road... Less Traveled: An Analysis of Vehicle Miles Traveled Trends in the U.S.. (2008)

Driving, as measured by national Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT), began to plateau as far back as 2004 and dropped in 2007 for the first time since 1980. Per capita driving followed a similar pattern, with flat-lining growth after 2000 and falling rates since 2005. These recent declines in driving predated the steady hikes in gas prices during 2007 and 2008. Moreover, the recent drops in VMT (90 billion miles) and VMT per capita (388 miles) are the largest annualized drops since World War II.

Here are two charts of U.S. employment which show two periods of strong expansion: in the late 1990s and in 2002-08.



If the number of jobs were correlated to gasoline deliveries, then we would expect deliveries to be close to those registered in 2003 and 1999, since the number of jobs has declined to the levels of those years.

Instead, we find deliveries are dramatically lower:
November 1999: 59 MGD
November 2003: 63.8 MGD
November 2010: 42.8 MGD

Once again, this is not an outlier: deliveries for all of 2010 were between 42 and 46 MGD, compared to deliveries in the high 50s/mid 60s in 1999 and 2003.

There are all kinds of other things that influence the number of miles driven, but there is little evidence that any one factor can account for a 47% drop in retail gasoline deliveries. For example, it is well-known that the U.S. economy has shifted to a digital, service economy in the past 30 years, and since more people can "consume" (via shopping at, etc.) and "produce" (work from home) without driving, then it makes sense that people are driving less.

But if we examine the data, it's difficult to attribute the massive recent drops to people ordering stuff online or working from home more. After all, people were working from home and ordering stuff online in 2003, when gas deliveries reached 63 MGD, and in November 2006, when deliveries were 58.8 MGD.

Deliveries in November 2011 were 30.9 MGD, a staggering 47% decline.

What about fuel efficiency? here are two charts from the Early Warning blog. They show a significant increase in the 1980s, but only modest improvement through the 1990s and 2000s.

If we use the same year as in the employment analysis, 1999, we see there was a 6% rise in efficiency from 1999 to 2010. This would suggest 6% of the decline in gasoline deliveries can be attributed to increased efficiency. But what about the other 40% of the decline? That cannot be attributed to higher efficiency.


I've marked up the first chart to show the secular trends in efficiency and employment.

There are no data-supported broad-based drivers for dramatically lower gasoline consumption other than austerity and lower economic activity. The code-word for "austerity and lower economic activity" that is verboten in the Mainstream Media is "recession." Indeed, if you examine the EIA data, the only causal factor that has backing in the data is recession--or if you prefer, austerity and lower economic activity.

Then there is the price of fuel. People have to go to work, pick up the kids, get their meds, etc., and few urban centers in the U.S. have mass transit systems that are up to the task of replacing autos. So most Americans have what we might call non-discretionary driving. But as the price of fuel rises, people find ways to lower their discretionary driving by combining trips, shopping less often, shortening or eliminating vacations, etc. Enterprises reduce costly business travel with teleconferences and other digital technologies.

Data supports the notion that high oil prices lead to recession. For example, Chris Martenson recently made a compelling case for this in Why Our Currency Will Fail ("Note that all of the six prior recessions were preceded by a spike in oil prices.")

Household income doesn't rise just because oil is climbing in cost, and so the extra money spent on fuel is diverted from other consumption or saving (capital accumulation). Higher fuel costs lower household capital formation and reduce consumption/economic activity.

Oil has been elevated for months, kissing $100 and rarely dipping below $90/barrel. Do higher oil costs explain the decline in gasoline consumption? Once again, they undoubtedly influence consumption, but that cannot explain the 40% drop in consumption. After all, when oil spiked in 2008 to $140/barrel, deliveries only dropped by a few million gallons: from 58.8 MGD in July 2007, before the spike, to 54.8 MGD at the point of maximum pain in July 2008.

The cost of oil has declined sharply from mid-2008, yet consumption has tanked from 54.8 MGD in July 2008 to 42.4 MGD in July 2011. That's a hefty 21% decline.

What other plausible explanation is there for the decline from 42.4 MGD in July 2011 to 30.9 MGD in November 2011 other than a dramatic decline in discretionary driving? That 27% drop in a few months in unprecedented, except in times of war or sharp economic contraction, i.e. recession.

If we stipulate that vehicles and fuel consumption are essential proxies for the U.S. economy, then we can expect a steep decline in economic activity to register in other metrics within the next few months.

Such a sharp drop would of course be "unexpected" given the positive employment data of the past few months. But as the data above shows, employment isn't tightly correlated to gasoline consumption: gasoline consumption reflects recession and growth.

In other words, look out below.


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Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:52 | 2145945 Badabing
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Ahhh    Ahhhh    Ahhhhhh  BUSTOFF! Fake numbers give me a chubber!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 11:57 | 2145964 Thorlyx
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Who cares. You can't drink gasoline, or diesel for that matter...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:03 | 2145993 Born Patriot
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This is a perfect example of what happens after decades of multiculturalism. The unsustainable mix of different cultures in America is taking its toll on our economy. Bring back freedom of association!!! Ron Paul 2012!!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:06 | 2146005 JPM Hater001
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Please dont sully the good name of Dr. Ron Paul with that rhetoric.  It is irresponsible and most definitely not what he would say on the matter.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:11 | 2146046 SWRichmond
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Yeah the discredit effort is in full swing.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:39 | 2146188 SwingForce
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iPads & iPhonez.......

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:57 | 2146306 TruthInSunshine
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It's correlated with the falling labor participation rate, economic malaise (some would use a much stronger description), and the develeraging consumers, even those with jobs (who are preparing for the worst).

The Bernank has broken clarity, markets and confidence.

I was shocked to see NBC World News with Brian Williams do a lead story last night where they highlighted the deficiencies in the Fraudclosure Settlement, and used the case of a man who lost his home via falsified documents being signed, who spoke of a proposed $2,000 payment as a token insult. They then went on to interview the woman from Naked Capitalism who did an excellent synopsis of the breakdown of the fraudulent settlement and its consequences and its implications.

Sheeple are waking up.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:46 | 2146556 ONO47
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I guess the Department of Fatherland ,I mean, Homeland Security will label Brian Williams and NBC a domestic terrorists. The man and the woman will detained at Guantanamo indefinitely.


Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:31 | 2147133 trav7777
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oil production is down; the US has taken this one for the team.

Gas prices from $3.25-$4/gal will decrease consumption.  The prevalence of stupid SUVs is also declining.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:24 | 2148101 Jendrzejczyk
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Born Patriot is yet another obvious, lame ass psychological experiment.

And just for you Trav- (I am a Silver Bag-holder Extraordinaire)

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:12 | 2148451 TruthInSunshine
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OT, but some really great news (/sarc) on MF Global (aka JonCorzineSlushFund):


February 10, 2012, 4:36 pm


8:01 p.m. | Updated

MF Global commodity customers whose cash vanished when the firm collapsed last year are owed $1.6 billion — up significantly from previous estimates — the trustee tasked with recovering the money said on Friday.

The revised figure reflects growing concerns that the trustee will not be able to claw back $700 million in customer money trapped overseas. Until now, the trustee did not include the $700 million when projecting the shortfall, hoping to avoid a battle with MF Global’s British arm, which is holding the customer money.


MF Global Trustee Sees $1.6 Billion Customer Shortfall

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:33 | 2148715 Harlequin001
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And for those amongst us that think possession of precious metals and hand guns will save you, read on...

Good luck with spending it, you're going to need your gun...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:49 | 2148730 TheSilverJournal
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Less gasoline is being consumed in this country  because thise county is becoming poor. Not that hard to understand.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 07:48 | 2148927 Hobbleknee
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Let that be a lesson not to flaunt it.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:24 | 2149037 Harlequin001
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Well that's the thing about gold isn't it. When it's in a vault you can't show it off...

or pay taxes on it, especially if it's in a vault overseas...

Of course, you could always take out your hand gun and shoot the tax man and see just how far that gets you. That's one for you gun buffs by that way, those who think owning a gun will do you any good whatsoever...

good luck with that one.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:27 | 2148765 Shocker
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Less Employment = Less Gas Consumption. People are driving to work less and less. Also unemployed they might of comepletely stopped driving.

On average a person has a 15 min drive to work each way , Now times that by the number no longer doing that drive and thats alot of gas not used.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 04:50 | 2148869 Harlequin001
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They can all be gainfully employed in the Army, but hopefully on someone else's soil...

and then consumption will be back. No worries...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:03 | 2149021 Oleander
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Yesterday I took the MBTA commuter train to Boston.  The lots nearest to the track always fill up earlyin the  AM and  later commuters walk farther to the train.

I was shocked yesterday to see parking spaces at 9 am in the closest lot.  Where are the commuters who ALWAYS took these spots? While waiting for the train I met others going to the Museum of science and a few heading to the airport.  More tourists than suits headed into Boston. Seemed very strange to me.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:20 | 2149033 Harlequin001
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yes, the tourists will soon be gone...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:55 | 2148525 goldfish1
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What other plausible explanation is there for the decline from 42.4 MGD in July 2011 to 30.9 MGD in November 2011

Retreat from war?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:17 | 2148565 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Funny how the number is gospel like because it supports the mantra of the herd even though it is very suspicious.

The largest user of gas in the US by leaps and bounds is the government so although the posts are endless citing unemployment in the private sector there is no way such a precipitous drop is taking place without the largest single consumer consuming significantly less.


Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:05 | 2148786 Rubbish
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The article is rubbish, it doesn't take into account the increase in IMPORTS of refined fuel. We are using less but not as much as this shows. The west is in full import mode now. Refiners make more money exporting refined fuels than selling them here.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:11 | 2148799 Don Keot
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True, it is being touted that we are now a net exporter of oil.  WTF?

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:32 | 2148813 Rubbish
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I used to rely heavily on this exact same report years ago to get a true feel for our economy in the US. Then one day I actually had to go explore why the numbers kept decreasing in deliverys. I won't blame the author just advise him to do more research.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:05 | 2148957 Cloud9.5
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We are being out bid for the finished product.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:59 | 2148424 rustymason
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"Homeland Security will label Brian Williams and NBC a domestic terrorists. The man and the woman will detained at Guantanamo indefinitely."

Thanks for the hopeful vision. Perhaps DHS can play a useful role in the war on America after all. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:59 | 2148425 rustymason
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"Homeland Security will label Brian Williams and NBC a domestic terrorists. The man and the woman will detained at Guantanamo indefinitely."

Thanks for the hopeful vision. Perhaps DHS can play a useful role in the war on America after all. 

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:01 | 2148739 Sam Clemons
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The important thing is that people don't willingly shut up despite their passing of these fear-mongering laws.  Once they do, it will become more and more taboo to speak out against the political class.

A truly confident people would not need preemptive laws or wars to protect themselves.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:28 | 2147111 Michael
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The country lost 1.2 million paychecks in January. Unemployed people don't buy much gas to get to work and go shopping with.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:31 | 2148053 CrashisOptimistic
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That's a big part of it.

The other big part is the household consolidation.  Trips to the grocery store are once per household per week or month.  With the kids moved in, there are fewer households.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:23 | 2148177 Cistercian
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Another big part of it is people like me.I drive a 95 honda civic which easily nets 42mpg average.I bought it 7 years ago and really enjoy sticking it to the man by needing less fuel.I also help all my friends properly select and tune their vehicles for maximum fuel efficiency.

Compare 40mpg to something like a Hemi Dodge Durango....which uses more than 4 times as much fuel per mile.

Also people don't have to drive to jobs they no longer have.

The oil companies are raping us.Let's all do our part to stick it right back to them.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:50 | 2148249 trav7777
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the oil companies are raping you by providing you an indispensable product that they have to go dig up from insanely hostile environments and truck to your local corner while never spilling a drop or else you bitch?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:19 | 2148337 Cistercian
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You are a shill and a dolt.How much does our oil cost when you figure in the use of the military to steal it?Please also calculate the cost of installing the Shah and the blowback from that.

 The majors are heavily subsidized criminal organizations...and they are EVIL.

 Oil is a needed product....imagine what it would be like if it's production and distribution was not controlled by people with less scruples than a congressman.The mind boggles.


Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:48 | 2148512 John Skookum
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imagine what it would be like if it's production and distribution was not controlled by people with less scruples than a congressman.


Like who, exactly?

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:15 | 2149078 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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This is like how advertsising makes cars twice as expensive.  Either way, the downside of production is going to be heavy on the pocketbook.

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 01:43 | 2150347 Cistercian
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Don't be obtuse.Any ETHICAL human being would do, as opposed to the run of the mill criminal or super-villain.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 13:22 | 2154011 GoinFawr
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 power corrupts

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:27 | 2148808 Enzo
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Could you be more specific about the subsidies? I would be curious if they got any more subsidies than any other mining operation?? I believe that what you consider to be subsidies are in fact the application of generally accepted principles. Exxon alone paid $87 billion in taxes and duties in 2010 alone and had an 8% margin - substantially less than Apple. The "green" energy sector gets billions more in true ( non GAAP) subsidies. Maybe ALL government subsidies should be abolished. We'll save proven vs. probable oil and gas reserves for another day...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:27 | 2149090 DaveyJones
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true, imperialism IS a "generally accepted principle" ...just not by those on the receiving end

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 14:43 | 2149480 Enzo
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Sorry, meant to say Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP). imperialism is a different discussion...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:19 | 2149031 disabledvet
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EXACTLY! so "stick it to the man" by buying a Dodge Viper and "setting a new cross country speed record on I-80."

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:57 | 2149121 francis_sawyer
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Oil is a needed product....imagine what it would be like if it's production and distribution was not controlled by people with less scruples than a congressman.The mind boggles


Reminds me of that scene in the movie "Dr. Zhivago" where all the peasant Bolsheviks were celebrating because news had come in that they'd ousted the Tzar... One guys says "Who's the new Tsar"? & another one answers "There is no more Tsar... It's a government for the workers run by workers"...

I guess it was fun while it lasted... (you could probably talk to Robespierre after the Bastille and find a similar story)

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:29 | 2149185 Christophe2
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Just because past revolutions have been engineered by Zionist/masonic agents, this doesn't mean it has to be that way.  Furthermore, do not underestimate the difference the internet makes - control of information no longer exists as it did back then, and furthermore the tricks these pukes use have mostly all been exposed, making it easier to detect them when they repeat themselves.


The French revolution, as we know it, is the story told by the winners (the banksters) about their pawns (although Napoleon did end up rebelling!  WOOOT).  It is a joke, about as true and accurate a story as the holocaust.  Similarly, the truth of the Russian revolution is that it was basically an attack by foreign destabilizing agents.

=> they were not 'true' revolutions!


More to the point: once you realize you are a slave in a brutal, satanic system, how can you ignore it?  Do you really think that the status quo is livable or desirable?  Perhaps I am too proud, but I would rather die than be someone's SM bitch.  Furthermore, if I had kids, I would do everything to make a decent future for them.


Best of all: the internet really changes things.  'They' can't control information and opinion like they used to, they have lost control of the minds of men, and they are FUCKED.

=> there is a HUGE difference between an unexpected rebellion *against* TPTB and fake rebellions architected *by* TPTB, like the ones we've seen in the Middle East and Eastern Europe...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:54 | 2149236 francis_sawyer
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All fucking stories are told by the winners... So what's so new about that?

Congrats... You won't be someones SM bitch...

But when the 'revolution' (at least the type you describe) happens... there will be no flippin internet if it goes that far... Unless you think that the command & control center of the revolution is going to be from mama's basement...

"Get busy livin'... or get busy dyin"... & if one is impatient enough, why not start today?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:08 | 2148305 disabledvet
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and there i was thinking i was "sticking it to the man" doing 180 in a Pontiac GTO i'd just stolen off the dealer lot. I guess i gotta lot to learn about life...

Sun, 02/12/2012 - 01:37 | 2150342 Cistercian
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You have balls of steel..and yes, you are sticking it to the man.

  Fastest I ever went was only 154 on a 900 ninja in heavy traffic....EPIC.Pretty tame by todays standards I guess.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:15 | 2148803 Don Keot
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We live 26 miles in the mountains and now we do everything required in one trip per week and I also bought a Geo.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:15 | 2149027 Oleander
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I just got tired of driving to the store for groceries. I have begun using the delivery service of the local dairy. They carry more than just milk so I will be driving less and consuming much less. No more point of sale business from me.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:27 | 2148045 spiral galaxy
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It's also correlated with auto aftermarket stats...........with which I'm responsible.  We saw a drop that was on par with the first quarter 2009 when the recession began!!!!!!!!!  Bottom line, very real and we are being lied to.  Like, so what else is new?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:53 | 2148522 SystemsGuy
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I'm a consultant who does a fair amount of tech work for larger clients - hotel chains, government agencies, book publishers, etc. Through much of last year, business was pretty good - on par with 2008, before the credit markets took a hit. In the last couple of months, however, work has definitely slowed down - fewer leads developing for smaller dollar amounts. Since a lot of what I do tends to be early in a software product life-cycle, it means that I usually also see business declines before others in the tech industry. Definitely getting nervous. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:27 | 2148588 The Grip
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Good info.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:32 | 2148980 ISEEIT
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I track the comment threads on a couple 'progressive' blogs. Lot's of pissed off people but very, very few of them understand the big picture and what is really being done. I agree that Sheeple are waking up, but as best as I can tell they continue to march toward the cliff, albeit as disgruntled as they may be.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:03 | 2146330 LaLiLuLeLo
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... & .gov phones, homey

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:15 | 2148004 Agent P
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"iPads & iPhonez......."

Yes!  These mobile devices are keeping people at home for's that for irony?  Not to mention it's hard to consume gas when your waiting in line for days at a time every six month to buy the latest iThing.

I would also add facebook.  People don't have time to go places anymore, because they're too busy peering into the lives of their 847 "friends" on facebook.  That thing is like voyeurism crack for the masses. 


Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:20 | 2148155 Yamaha
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seriously - I parked my Mercedes and then sold it due to wifi on the train and plap top working from home.

Shopping on iPad and apps saving gas and taxes.

77 year old mother now has an i-Pad - all her friends are getting them - ordering online. Saved $360 year to get free newspaper.

Whats not to like? You don't think it has an impact?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:47 | 2148511 mnevins2
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Not seeing a reduction in rush-hour (or any time) traffic in Chicagoland.  Elsewhere?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:55 | 2148524 SystemsGuy
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DC Metro traffic is definitely down.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:29 | 2148593 CynicLaureate
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Observations from my latest drive West:

(1) Midland and the oil patch is BOOMING... traffic jams, hotels booked, restaurants full.  Lots of work drilling holes in Texas and making equipment that is sent to North Dakota to drill holes there.  Lot's of trailers full of pipe and valves going every which way.

(2) Places where they don't have oil are seeing a lot less tourist traffic.  Truck stops are open, but gas stations for cars are closing left and right.

(3) Truck traffic on the interstate doesn't seem as full as it used to, pre-2008.

I think the disappearing family road-trip is contributing to the decline in discretionary driving.

Disclaimer: remember the plural of anecdote is not data....


Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:15 | 2149073 EnglishMajor
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I have worked in either the Fortune 500 or the S&P 500 for the past 20 years, and you would be foolish to overestimate the number of jobs that can now be performed by ecommuting in a 70% service economy.

Also, in a good bit of the country, public transportation is not a viable alternative to driving, especially for anyone with children.

I appreciate your optimism, after all who needs cake whe you can eat iPads, but it is time to come out of your bubble.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:49 | 2146527 JW n FL
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About AIPAC - Policy Conference - AIPAC Near You - Why Israel Matters


To be clear for the NEW PEOPLE here in Fight Club!

Israel's Behavior! does NOT! make me anything! Not a Racist, Not a JOO Ha8ter, NOT! anyhting!

The Money used by the State of Israel too BUY the Lobby Whores in Washington DC! does NOT! make me anything!

Israel's Actions Make the Government of Israel the Problem!

If You do NOT like the Sourced and Sited Informaiton Provided?? maybe you should take due care to aim your anger at the responsible party instead of the messenger, just food for thought.


Signed, Christian Constitutionalist


P.S. Don't forget!! “See Something? Say Something!” and here is the link for you ---- >

DHS Home Grown Christians Trying to Protect the Constitution are now Terrorists Propaganda

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:55 | 2146618 JW n FL
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Jews want multiculturalism for Europe or Europe will NOT! Survive! Her words NOT! Mine!!


Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:18 | 2148014 AldousHuxley
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Jews want multicultralism for everyone except within their own clan. Only by birth through jewish mothers.

...or unless you become famous, powerful, rich, then Jews want your quarter Jewishness to be in all of their JEws are great propaganda.



just try asking jewish parents hand in marriage with their daughter  AS A non-Jew




Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:26 | 2148183 dirtbagger
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Aldous -  You are so full of fucking shit.  You don't know the first thing about the Jewish community.  Go back to the mountains and play with your guns

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:52 | 2148254 trav7777
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no, he was pretty much spot-on.

jooz are gaga over multiculturalism for everyone else.  In their own clan, they practice the equivalent of eugenics and without remorse.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:34 | 2148373 zerotohero
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Yikes I hate to say this but trav is speaking some truths that many don't want to hear.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:54 | 2148404 Floordawg
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He might not be entirely delusional in his comments... from time to time, but he's definitely ALL asshole ALL the time.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:23 | 2148441 Element
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well you can see that video .. it's coming out of their own fucking mouths! ...

"Jews will be at the center of this".

And who the fuck gave these unmitigated jewish vermin the high-position to dictate to Europeans within their own borders and towns how their 'culture' should be structured to suit an international Jewish agenda?

"... or Europe will not survive?"

What will really happen is we will rise up and just wipe out all these fucking filthy Jews within Europe, the US, and all other Anglophile states as well.

And presto, the cultural 'problems' of the developed world will totally cease to be an issue for concern, let alone a question of fucking regional survival.

Only a dumb kike cunt like that one could be so totally fucked-in-the-head as to imagine we'd just let them pull such shit in the open.

Frankly, its well past time for some ethnic cleansing.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:57 | 2148656 kito
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Element, you are bubbling over with jew envy......

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:05 | 2148664 JW n FL
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 Anonymous Message To The State of Israel


Element is one of those Anonymouses! its like a Hippotamuses but different!


Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:10 | 2148748 AldousHuxley
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As Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew, perhaps the most adept statesman of the 20th Century, noted:  


"In multiracial societies, you don't vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion."



Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:12 | 2148800 Michael
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Fits with the plan.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:18 | 2148967 rvail136
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You do know that they "Protocols" were written by the Tzarist secret police, right?  Jeez, 'you people' have some seriuos issues.  Perhaps you need to stop worrying about what others are doing and worry more about yourself.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 03:05 | 2148829 Element
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sorries, failed to perceive anything enviable, respectable, worthwhile redeemable or contributory with regard to your low-life parasitic cultural phlegm.  

More like something I'd scrape off the sole of a shoe and consider no further.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:23 | 2148705 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Sat, 02/11/2012 - 03:10 | 2148832 Element
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Who cares? Does it matter?  It's just coming again.

If you want to know why then here's a big hint: have a look at yourself.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:22 | 2149164 Calmyourself
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Floordawg at this point I always prefer a truthful asshole to a useful idiot as one performs a service the other is just waiting..

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:22 | 2149036 disabledvet
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yes but "why are they winning" that's what i want to know.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:30 | 2148979 kito
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You're a clueless single celled organism who likely has never met a Jewish person and believes they have horns....

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:33 | 2149193 tamboo
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"most jews dont like to admit it but our god is lucifer"


Harold Wallace Rosenthal interview
Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:46 | 2148090 DFCtomm
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You think the only lobbists in DC are Jewish, or represent only Jewish  interestes? Everybody has lobbyists in DC. This is not evidence of a conspiracy. However, Jews have supported multiculturalism and open borders. I believe they've done this as an attempt to ensure their own safety, but what has happened in Europe has been such an amazing example of the law of unintended consequences. The Jews support Muslim immigration in the name of Multiculturalism, and now after years of this policy anti-semitism is on the rise. They supported multiculturalism to ensure their saftey and all it's accomplished is ensure their persecution by a growing population of Muslim immigrants. If it weren't so sad it would be funny.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:54 | 2148262 trav7777
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jew support of multiculturalism PREDATES the holocaust by decades.  WTF were they trying to protect themselves from?  Nothing. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 22:08 | 2148437 DFCtomm
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First the Jews were wiped off the Saudi Penesula by the Muslims and then they were pushed out of Judea, and we all know about the Holocaust. In their minds they never know when they'll have to leave and where they'll have to go, so of course they support policies that ensure they can cross borders and be accepted. The Jews more than anyone else feel this is important for their very survival. It's ironic that the policies they've pushed for their safety has allowed their oldest enemy to follow them to Europe. They've created their own next Holocaust.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:34 | 2148608 Green Leader
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Edomite Jews, you mean...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:19 | 2148701 DFCtomm
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Don't remember the names, but there were two tribes Jewish tribes and their defeat is detailed in the Koran.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:22 | 2149083 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Before them those same Jews wiped out the tribes of people that were living there before them.  And while we are at it let's note they were from Africa and left around the same time Akhenaten got expelled.  Anyone else find it weird that the Jews, who were slaves in the bible, left wih glorious treasures?  Maybe the were the tribe of Aten, no?

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:01 | 2148659 kito
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Learn yourself some history there trav. Jews have been the target of hate long before nazi germany.......

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 06:07 | 2148880 Element
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The hystery of why Jews have been 'persecuted', or rather paid-back, has been discussed at great length here at zh, within comments, and almost everywhere else on the net as well, over the past few years.  Utube is loaded to the gills with videos about it. Numerous Blogs have discussed it in detail, and many have been cited here.  Hystorical documents have proliferated in PDF form detailing almost every aspect of it - repeatedly.  Forums also routinely discuss the nitty-gritty of it all in detail. Numerous related topics and themes have also been discussed.

As you well know you disingenuous arse. 

So don't pretend you're that dumb sport.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:35 | 2148984 kito
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Sorry sport, but I don't need YouTube videos and blogs to grasp an accurate hIstory of the Jewish people. And sorry, I can't make it your wedding, but I hope you and your sister have a wonderful life together. Please use birth control.....

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:29 | 2149093 Abitdodgie
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Was Hitler that far off with his policys

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:39 | 2149202 tamboo
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defrauding and ritually sacrificing residents of the host country tends to result in payback.


109 Locations whence Jews have been Expelled since AD250


The History of Jewish Human Sacrifice



Sat, 02/11/2012 - 13:08 | 2149260 francis_sawyer
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Jews have been the target of hate long before nazi germany.......

Whether it's true or not, WTF difference does it make?

ANY clan or tribe that runs around pointing fingers at everyone else and saying that they have to be multi-cultural, but instead don't play by those same rules is a hypocrite and is going to bring hate upon themselves...

Fuck ~ If I was a space alien and came to this planet not knowing shit about anything & observed this type of behavior, I'd make a logical conclusion that thius particular breed or race would never be trusted by an otherwise homogenized flock...

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 14:07 | 2149410 FeralSerf
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If one truly believes in Cause and Effect, one can't help but wonder why Jews (really faux-Jews, aka Ashkenazim) have been the target of hate for so long. (Live by the sword; die by the sword and all that kinda stuff.)

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 04:25 | 2148858 Caggge
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Middle class taxpayers don't have a lobbyist in DC.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:44 | 2148227 Archon7
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HELP!  I've been crushed under a wall of text!!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:10 | 2148316 disabledvet
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clearly i need to go to church more.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:14 | 2148964 rvail136
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WTF does this have to do with the decline in gasoline usage?  Serioulsy, are you unhinged on Jews?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:00 | 2146660 Citxmech
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Except Mr. Born Douchebag fails completely to associate RP or ZH with his obvious trolling - Thank you ZH for the Up/Down vote option to neutralize these cunts!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:40 | 2146846 JW n FL
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thats RIGHT!

we only want to see or hear things that we agree with!

Thank God 5th Ave. is able to multi-market test for responses of the sheepeople before wall street releases its happy happy joy joy white washed pr!

you are living proof that we in america no longer need free speech!

censorship is good!

censorship is what really makes you happy! that is who you are, you are that kind of person.

now get out there and start burning books! only the ones you dont like of course!!


Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:33 | 2147147 Citxmech
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I didn't say shit about censorship (or an "ignore" button, for that matter).  I cherish free speech and ability for saints, douchebags, and everyone in between to post their view in a public venue like this.  I also cherish the ability for everyone else to comment on said views.  The fact that Mr. Born-Douchebag has so many down-votes is also a form of collective speech that adds substantially to the quality of ZH as an arena of public discourse, IMHO.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:55 | 2148263 trav7777
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Madison Ave, dumbass

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:49 | 2148679 JW n FL
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my bad Sorry Bro!

The Liberty Option Documentary Film


Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:47 | 2149112 BobPaulson
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Not bad. Is the 393 views a scam? Just a couple points:

The should have worked those standups with the main narrator better to get rid of the ums and ahs.

Guru might be funny but it didn't work for this format, esp. the satanic talk.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 12:00 | 2149124 JW n FL
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I was one of the first to watch it.. it is brand new.. but 393 is the number that Google has decided it will stay on.. who knew?

Google!! Better! than Censorship!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:21 | 2146096 Hippocratic Oaf
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Stupid Redneck.......glad I left the south.

One reason on gas/oil, keep raising those tolls in NY/NJ. Traffic has been cut, you think rigs want to pay that toll EVERY day? Their trips have gone from 3 or 4 a week to 1. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:42 | 2146203 NotApplicable
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I doubt that he's even a redneck. More likely some northern libtard troll trying to smear Dr. Paul, so that his saint Obummer can retain the throne. Also, it works to help smear ZH by being a home to hate-mongers (well, until the down votes kick in).

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:09 | 2146365 pine_marten
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Yes indeed.  One sure indication of a tyrant is the hyper sensitivity to any dissent.  Shill trolls are helping quash any deviation from the ghastly script. 

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 20:56 | 2148268 trav7777
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you people are so unbelievably think that acknowledging that multiculturalism is a FAILURE would smear RP?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:29 | 2148596 Burnbright
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Trav I have to ask are you talking about multiculturalism in the sense that the US has always been a melting pot or are you talking about the failure of policies like equal opportunity? Cause one makes you sound racist, the other sounds perfectly logical.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:10 | 2148684 JW n FL
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Trav is talking about the Jews taking over Europe and forcing Multicultralism down the throats of one and all or passing out death.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:20 | 2148700 Xkwisetly Paneful
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I must have missed something somewhere.

Swedenistan, Francistan, the United Kingdom of Muzzlandville and others would disagree about the jews takiing over Europe. Mohammed being the number one baby name last year doesn't really indicate the jews taking over either.

BTW your unintentional looking glass self parody is fukking hilarious.

Of course you come here to nod along with like minded jew haters.

Great parody to pretend otherwise as satire!   

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 01:45 | 2148781 JW n FL
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I come here to help people who are like minded by lack the facts, if you would like to know the truth.

The Jews.. arent the Problem.. they are the help.

But I do like to play along now and again.. becuase anyone blaming the Jews is on the right path..

and by Jews I mean the Jewish Government of Isreal.

400,000 Jews hate the Government of Israel too.. its not just me.

but as for blindly blaming Jews just becuase they are Jewish... I am not that stupid.


Try this on.. maybe you will catch on to what an American Looks Like! it is not about skin color! it is about whats inside.


now if you would like to tell yourself otherwise or sell yourself some other bullshit.. go ahead! its a free country!! enjoy!!!


Sat, 02/11/2012 - 14:15 | 2149426 FeralSerf
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Mohammed may be a popular baby name, but it's not a very popular PTB/banker name.

Just look who's on the top and who's providing the new livestock. The Ashkenazim faux-Jews have won. The livestock are just beginning to wake-up to that fact and some of them are pissed. How long will it be until the next "Saviour" and "holocaust"?

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 16:44 | 2149668 GoinFawr
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Marcus Brigstocke,

"...Letters to the usual address"

"Please don't kill us..."

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 07:03 | 2148899 Dane17
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The number of paid pro-Obama shills posting on every forum I frequent is getting increasingly creepy.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:47 | 2146237 Louie the Dog
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.....glad I left the south.

Thank God, another one from New Jersey gone.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 00:35 | 2148687 JW n FL
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Louie.. dont be rude.. we need gator bait too now. so dont run them all off!

Look Louie! the South has went all high tech and shit!

Louie! they say we hate everyone! thats not true look at our brothers here!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:24 | 2146424 Chump
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We're glad you left, too, dumbass yankee who just got duped by a dumbass troll.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 13:31 | 2146460 stirners_ghost
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ZH has the best trolls, this side of 4chan

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:24 | 2148581 Hippocratic Oaf
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You can do better than that Chump, dig deeper.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:07 | 2146693 MrPalladium
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"Stupid Redneck.......glad I left the south."

Let us at least get our facts straight about the track record of multiculturalism. In her seminal work "The Demographic Struggle For Power, The Political Economy of Demographic Engineering in the Modern World"' Milica Zarkovic Bookman, a professor of economics at St. Johns University, notes in her introduction that "Such struggles for power and resources among ethnic groups manifest themselves in various ways: on one level, violent wars are being waged as populations, usually of varying ethnic or relgious orientations, attempt to militarily achieve supremacy and power  . . . of the world's 82 conflicts that took place between 1989 and 1992, 79 took place within borders and among different ethnic and religious groups."

In fact, multicultural societies have a terrible track record, producing temporary profits for passport carrying elites while plunging the victim polities they control into conflict when the good times cease to roll.

During periods of prosperity the ability of elites to import minorities who can then be motivated to vote as a block to dilute the voting power of the ethnic or racial majority can allow increased diversion of resources away from infrastructure investment that produces broad based governmental benefits and towards narrower elite rent seeking opportunities. However, in periods of economic stress and scarcity the political conflict typically escalates into armed conflict. Multi cultural societies only exist because they reduce the cost of control to deracinated (and often alien and hostile) elites who care not about the prosperity of the average citizen in the nation they dominate but only about the extent of the rent seeking activity they can engage in for personal profit.

Multicultural societies have a terrible track record world wide - an experience that will be coming to your neighborhood soon!!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:19 | 2146759 Flakmeister
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Yeah.... I *knew* we never should have let the Irish in...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:26 | 2146782 Chump
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Hey now!

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 14:54 | 2146918 pods
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Hey, the Irish have been suffering for a long time.

Check out this flooding carnage:


Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:33 | 2147142 trav7777
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the Irish assimilated.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 16:01 | 2147284 Flakmeister
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People have a strange sense of humor here....or lack thereof...

Go figger...

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:21 | 2148019 Michael
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Lower employment participation rate = less buying of gas = less shopping.

It's as simple as that folks.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:25 | 2148035 AldousHuxley
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you are reading a forum where people who are interested in "why the gasoline consumption is tanking" on a Friday afternoon.


Most people just want to kick back with a beer....



Wonder what the age group is for ZH.....all old retirees in Florida pissed off at bankers for 401k and Bernanke for low bond yields?



Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:14 | 2148327 disabledvet
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where is Cranky old geezer anyways?

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 02:30 | 2148810 Bansters-in-my-...
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Do you miss those pink panties...???

Me too.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 10:27 | 2149039 disabledvet
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i do. (and no that's not what i meant at the altar.)

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:17 | 2148332 Fedaykinx
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hardly, i'm not sure why everyone would have to be some old reactionary put out to pasture... but we agree ZH readers, and especially ZH posters, aren't "most people."

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:01 | 2148536 pods
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Well I would think that inside the soon to be open FEMA camp ZH would be popular enough to field at least a softball team?


Sat, 02/11/2012 - 09:50 | 2149001 flattrader
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Frankly, I don't think this group of keyboard jockys can move that fast.

I was thinking kickball.  It's also more in line with the mentality of this place.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:41 | 2147197 AnAnonymous
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on one level, violent wars are being waged as populations, usually of varying ethnic or relgious orientations, attempt to militarily achieve supremacy and power . . . of the world's 82 conflicts that took place between 1989 and 1992, 79 took place within borders and among different ethnic and religious groups."

New best. I had thought another US citizen would make the day with his statement about terrorism.

But here, here, another brilliant US citizen with a sample of 82 wars raged over three years.

Thousand of years of data, three years made the day to utter a definitive statement.

Ah, US citizens and their culture of extortion. Old reflexes die hard.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 15:58 | 2147274 Chump
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I've always wondered, what does the average Chinese slave think whenever a Tibetan monk commits self-immolation?

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 16:05 | 2147310 AnAnonymous
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Hard to tell.

Chinese, the last time I checked, no longer have slaves. But salaried personal.

It makes the question delicate to answer at this point because as so many things with US citizens, it relies on fantasy.

So lets try some kind of US citizenism humour,

that the Chinese tibetan monk by burning himself wants to turn into a beacon and shows the path to truth, justice and freedom to the chinese slave, that is why so many slaves are moving to Tibet, guided by the warm light and the smell. The more slaves are moving to Tibet, the more Chinese tibetan monks put themselves on fire.

A testimony that their efforts and sacrifices pay off.

A fictional answer matching the fictional question. At least, I hope so.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 16:40 | 2147488 Chump
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Wait, what's the fantasy?  That Tibetan monks commit self-immolation?  Or that paying someone $22 a day means they're salaried personal [sic]?

Ah hell, here I am asking someone about current events who can't even surf the internet except from behind the Great Chinese Firewall.  Of course, you're probably allowed to go on Zerohedge specifically to post poorly written propaganda.  Just another Chinese citizenism slave.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:28 | 2148046 AldousHuxley
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wonder what the market rate is for the monk's Bhuddhist charms and pendant.


FoxConn factory slave is looking at early retirement right there!


Kind of like being an early employee at IPO.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 03:36 | 2148839 AnAnonymous
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Made me laugh.

US citizenism is all about submission.

Yes, paying people and not considering them as ware makes them salaried personal.

That is the most obvious fact one has to dismiss in order to join US citizenism club.

The proposition is clearly uttered, salaried personal is not be salaried personal, it cant be fantasy.

US world order.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:27 | 2148575 akak
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I have come to the conclusion that autism and schizophrenia go untreated in China.

Apparently, the Chinese citizenism regime substitutes the needed personal therapy with free internet connections instead.

Thus, we are constantly subjected to nose-picking, public shitting, blobbing up Chinese citizenism mental illness without end.  When attempting to reply to Chinese citizenism trolls, I feel that Sisyphus had it easy.

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 11:56 | 2149117 mjcOH1
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Your average Chinese citizen, schizo or not, won't be reading or posting here.   You're looking at someone paid for his efforts by the government.   If he seems addled....well, you get what you pay for.    We're talking about working for the Chinese government here, not a multinational corp.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:02 | 2148539 krispkritter
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Thanks for filling in Chump. I was gonna pull out my Akak call but I keep sounding like that fucking duck from the commercials...

'And the loser went AnAnon-and-on-and-on....US...Citizens...blah...blah...fucking blah...'

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:19 | 2148569 akak
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You called?

Sorry for dropping the ball there --- a US citizen's work is never done.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:52 | 2148643 Chump
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I lol'd.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 23:33 | 2148606 nmewn
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Fri, 02/10/2012 - 16:09 | 2147327 blunderdog
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Multicultural societies have a terrible track record world wide

Monocultural societies are where it's at, yo.  Japan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia.  Rockstars.

Reminder: if the best answer you can come up with is very simple, you're probably stupid.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:38 | 2148062 Jena
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I think there's a Barbie that whines "Complex thought is HARD".  No wait, that was math.  Either way, a unfortunate slap for developing young minds.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 19:53 | 2148105 AldousHuxley
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Just because blacks, hispanics, whites, asians, arabs are all shopping at Walmart doesn't mean US has multiculture.


That's like saying in the south they had multicultural society because plantation slaves were from different parts of Africa.







Fri, 02/10/2012 - 21:32 | 2148365 blunderdog
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Depends on how you want to draw lines around "cultures"--in the USA, we all have access to the same chain stores and teevee programming, but that's not much of a cultural definition.

If you'd say the USA is NOT multicultural, I'd say there's noplace on Earth which would meet your requirements.

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