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Guest Post: This Is Why We Internationalize. This Is Why We Have A Plan

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From Simon Black of Sovereign Man

This Is Why We Internationalize. This Is Why We Have A Plan

A few hundred years ago, some rather courageous men and women decided that they’d had enough of living under someone else’s rule– that the right of self-determination was stronger than any benefit or protection from living under a corrupt government.

The US Declaration of Independence eloquently posed the colonists’ grievances against King George III, including among others, that he had:

“erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance;”

“obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers;”

“[deprived] us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury”

The Constitution was supposed to address all of these grievances as the Founding Fathers sought to create a government where no single branch or office had too much power. Even to this day, US government officials swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies– foreign and domestic.

My guess is that most of them haven’t bothered to read it.

Take the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) under the US Department of Interior, for example. A few months ago, a government agent from FWS showed up to the home of an eleven-year-old girl with a federal summons in one hand and a citation for $535 in another.

The girl’s crime? Saving a baby woodpecker from being killed and eaten by the family cat. The bird’s mother was nowhere to be seen, so the girl (an aspiring vet) convinced her parents to let her care for it for a few days until the bird was well enough to fly away on its own.

Noble act? Wrong. Federal crime. It turns out that the bird is on the government list of protected species… and according to the government’s newspeak, protecting a bird that’s on the protected species list is a crime.

It sort of echoes Thomas Jefferson’s line about King George having “erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people…” It seems not too much has changed.

What’s more, the agent obviously couldn’t come alone to confront an 11-year old girl and her mother. No, that wouldn’t be threatening enough. That’s why FWS requested to be escorted by a Virginia State Police Trooper who “stood on the porch and said nothing.”

It’s government fear and intimidation tactics at their best… a far cry from supporting and defending the Constitution.

Then there’s the case of Gibson Guitar, a legendary American company that manufactures some of the most famous, high quality guitars in the industry.  Less than two weeks ago, armed government agents (also from the US Fish and Wildlife Service) raided Gibson Guitar’s manufacturing plants and corporate headquarters in Tennessee.

Gibson Guitar’s crime? Being in possession of a rare ebony wood imported from India; they use it in their manufacturing.

Here’s what’s funny: possession of said wood is not illegal in the United States.

Here’s what’s really funny: Gibson Guitar has clear evidence– letters from the Indian government– proving that their possession of the wood is not illegal in India either.

And… here’s what’s really, really funny: This is the second time in two years that the company has been raided and inventory been seized by federal agents. Gibson’s management team is STILL waiting for a court hearing to get their property back from the 2009 seizure.

Again, echoes of Thomas Jefferson: that King George “[deprived] us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury.”

Welcome to the new reality. Executive agencies in the United States have extraordinary unchecked power. They can seize your assets, freeze your bank accounts, intercept your emails, comb through your credit card transactions, and even take away your children… all without so much as a court order or any form of oversight.

We’ve explored before how you can end up on the wrong side of a government agency, even if you haven’t done anything illegal. If you are so much as suspected of wrongdoing, they can come after you… even if you’re just in the wrong place at the wrong time, they can come after you.

These are two cases where the government has come after its citizens– even when they are doing the RIGHT thing.

Think about it: two of the most unlikely people in the country have become enemies of the state: an eleven-year-old girl who wants to save a baby bird, and a manufacturing company that has managed to stay in business (and continue hiring!) in the midst of the worst recession in the nation’s history.

This is why we internationalize. This is why we have a plan.


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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:47 | 1634811 Segestan
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There are 100's of countries... but this sovereign bitch as a heat for the US.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:09 | 1635448 sun tzu
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Beg for the collapse of the economy/government so that all these fucking government/welfare/banking parasites starve to death. We can wake up to a better tomorrow.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:29 | 1635734 chumbawamba
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You guys are over-reacting.  There's a proper remedy, and running isn't it.  It never was, because eventually these fuckers would catch up with you, and then you'd just be trapped in a corner with no one else around to help and nowhere left to hide.

No, you must take your stand and fight them here if it is to ever end.  And we have the remedy.  In fact, we've always had the remedy, but we were looking in the wrong direction because we didn't know any better.  Now there's no excuse.

Re-assert your sovereignty.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 19:36 | 1636288 Sunshine n Lollipops
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Chumba, are you referring to the fact that America doesn't operate under constitutional law, but rather contract law through the UCC? 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 22:54 | 1636940 Dirtt
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SO the Jews who left Germany before the Jews who wound up on trains to concentration camps were cowards?  Yeah fight.  But if you don't have a contingency plan...

Go ahead and trust the US authorities.  I'd rather be wrong and enjoy a little foreign travel the be right without a passport.  We aren't talking about betting on the Super Bowl.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 23:15 | 1636990 baby_BLYTHE
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the Holocaust has been grossly exaggerated in modern times. 6 million Jews died, yes... but almost 50 million people died during the Second World War, many more gentiles than Jews. We should instead mourn all loss during any WAR, as history proves... all war is a racket!

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 00:28 | 1637122 Andre
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Actually, the count was (at least according to Hannah Arendt) 14 million in the camps - 6 million Jews, 4 million Gypsies, and 4 million "others" - homosexuals, church leaders, union leaders, generic Slavs, etc. Add to that the Einsatzgruppen and the losses at the non-death camp KZLs, the count may go higher

It is an interesting point that in the 20th century almost as many people have been killled by their own government as have been killed by foreign invasion/war:

  • Stalin and Collectivization (est 35million)
  • Mao and the Cultural Revolution (est 40 million)
  • Cambodia (~7 million, or 10% of the population)
  • Hitler and the camps
  • ...

Governments are far more effective at killing the people they rule than the people they don't.





Tue, 09/06/2011 - 14:16 | 1638927 Kobe Beef
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Therefore, kill the government before it kills you.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:47 | 1634812 Azannoth
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To all the boiling frogs out there, is the watter warm enough for ya yet ?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:23 | 1634919 destiny
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THESE LAWS HAVE INTERNATIONALIZE AS WELL IN EUROPE.  It will soon be illegal to make your own medication using wild plants...because it's bad for the hard working poison industry ! 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:34 | 1634967 RSloane
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Yes, its quite warm enough, thanks very much.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:39 | 1634975 LetThemEatRand
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Okay, government is out of control but these two examples are just silly. The bird fine was an overzealous agent and it was rescinded.   Gibson was trying to import wood that was protected in an entirely different country.  We live in a facsist state controlled by international corporations.  The villian is the internationalist, globalist scum who convinced a bunch of Palin loving clowns that the answer to the world's problems is more big multi-national corporations who answer to no one, and fewer regulations governing their behavior.  It's like saying that the problem with Hitler was that there were too many opposing armies standing in his way.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:45 | 1635322 macholatte
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You were doing Ok until you got to the "Palin loving clowns" part. Just in case you haven't noticed, Sarah Palin is not in any government, she's a celebrity making lots of dough being a celebrity. Very smart for her. She'll be history by this time next year and won't care much either after she takes down another $10-$20 Mil. You may as well blame the Kardashians for the world's problems.

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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:42 | 1635577 angela03
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Question: Why would someone take the time to quote idiots.?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:31 | 1635746 chumbawamba
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It's fun to laugh at them?


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 20:28 | 1636451 StychoKiller
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A wise (wo)man learns more from a fool, than the fool ever learns from the wise (wo)man.  An angel could be dressed as a homeless person and tell you the truth, yet you would ignore it based on appearances or pre-judgements.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:12 | 1635461 sun tzu
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The villians are fucking douchebags like you who have your head shoved up 0bama's ass. If you weren't such a stupid asshole, you would see that the regulations aka armies are being used against the little guys, not multinational corporations and bankers. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 22:15 | 1636862 VodkaInKrakow
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What, reverse regulation discrimination?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:40 | 1634988 Kayman
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Change the law so government employees can be sued and have them pay their own legal bills.

Even the Nazis were only "following the law".

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:13 | 1635467 sun tzu
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According to the 0bamatards, the police state is composed of the good guys and the citizens are the enemies who must be subjugated with more laws and regulations.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:15 | 1635696 angela03
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Your fucking ridiculous. Sure Obama is just a well educated version of his pimp brethren working the streets of Harlem, but callng his followers Obamatards just shows you're a  total fool that believes there's a difference between team red and blue. G.W. Bush was the greatest retard that every dwelled within the walls of the White House, possibly the largest tard in high government office in any country through all of history. He was a marionette operated by neo conservatives and in particular by the very master of corruption and evil, Dick Cheney. For you, following behind the man most responsible for the patriot act and all of it's included violations of civil rights and liberty, does not make you a retard. You, and millions more just like you, products of a failed educational system, are the real problem here in the late great United States of corruption and delusion.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:12 | 1635867 Kayman
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Your point is well taken and has been extensively aired.  Republicans and Democrats are as interchangable as a pair of socks, constantly acting like they are in some sort of competition with each other.  When, in fact, the only competition is over the spoils sprinkled around by the banksters and corporate sellouts.

As to who is the greater imbecile, boy, is that ever a tough one.  I still like the video clip of Bankster Regan admonishing Presidential Actor Reagan.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:21 | 1635883 ZeroAffect
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da ObamaNation is the greatest retard that every lived within the walls of the White House, and possibly the largest tard in high government office in any country through all of history because he voted for and wholeheartedly supports the Patriot Act. Any other conclusion is not logical. When both houses of CONgress and the White House were overwhelmingly controlled by a single party, that political party could have ended the Patriot Act, but chose not to do so. Yeah there is very little distinction between the Red/Blue Teams - they are criminals, liars and CON-artist of the highest order. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 22:20 | 1636873 VodkaInKrakow
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No, that just means he managed to fool a bunch of people with his wuave oratory skills while hiding his true ambitions. Obama is doing exactly what he wanted to do. It just took many of his supporters to wake up and smell the coffee. His actions are not the actions of a retard. Rather, that of a master manipulator who managed to fool millions upon millions around the world.

You want to know what? Even if he is not re-elected in 2012 and some lame Right Wing zealot takes over, he is still going to rake in the money...

So, for anyone to call Obama a retard just goes to show how retarded they are.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:45 | 1635009 CompassionateFascist
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There's two words for all of this: Terminal Jewification. The Chosen have a mania for Control. Then they feel "safe".

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:33 | 1635245 Maniac Researcher
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Yeah. I see Zerohedge's so-called plan.

Happy Labor Day. 

Nothing like getting to say "the bums will always lose" to a Nazi's face. Just one of the many ways one can celebrate the past triumphs of labor over capital today. Cheers.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 20:17 | 1636398 Bringin It
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ManicResearcher - Are you a Jew yet?  Because before you were.  Then you swore you weren't.  Then you were.  So what are you today? 


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 18:30 | 1636061 mcguire
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to CF: there's two words for your post: full retard. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:48 | 1635016 offensetaken
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Wow the United States has got to cool it!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:48 | 1634817 sunnydays
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Amazing.  It would seem the U.S. government is actually bent on destroying companies and people's freedoms, including saving a bird.  If the bird is protected, it seems the government would realize that is exactly what the girl was doing.  Would she have been charged if she had let the cat kill the bird?  Would it have been better for the protected bird to have died?

Why the government is intimidating Gibson, I don't understand.  It seems they want them to take the manufacturing out of the country and take away jobs. 



Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:23 | 1634930 Fish Gone Bad
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Actions speak louder than words.  Are you going to believe your own lying eyes, or what someone tells you?

The government wants to keep you safe, but has an open border.

The government wants a strong dollar, but keeps pushing it down.

How about this little gem:

Barney Frank Says House Will Pass HR1207 in October


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:35 | 1634935 whstlblwr
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This guy is idiot in true sense of word. All his posts are wrong and if his name tagged would not bother ot open. Look just do some digging. I'm sure Gibson has point of view, but even Chris Martin from Martin guitars think Gibson make mistake. For me, only purpose for government, to protect us from greedy corporations who want to use air, water, pollute for cheap.

"A court motion filed in June asserts Gibson's Madagascar ebony was contraband. It quotes emails that seem to show Gibson taking steps to maintain a supply chain that's been connected to illegal timber harvests.

Andrea Johnson, director of forest programs for the Environmental Investigation Agency in Washington, says the Lacey Act requires end users of endangered wood to certify the legality of their supply chain all the way to the trees. EIA's independent investigations have concluded that Gibson knowingly imported tainted wood.

"Gibson clearly understood the risks involved," says Johnson. "Was on the ground in Madagascar getting a tour to understand whether they could possibly source illegally from that country. And made a decision in the end that they were going to source despite knowing that there was a ban on exports of ebony and rosewood."

Look, he even get the woodpecker story WRONG, from own article he links to:

"The problem was that the woodpecker is a protected species under the Federal Migratory Bird Act. Therefore, it is illegal to take or transport a baby woodpecker. The Capo family says they had no idea."

Illegal to take or transport, IDIOT. I for one glad we have these law to protect diversity on planet. Without diversity human have no chance.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:38 | 1634982 cfosnock
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You maybe right, and on a side note I'm also sure that the SEC will show the same due-diligence toward the banks and the COMEX that the FWS has shown to Gibson.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:40 | 1634991 whstlblwr
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No, moral of story is we need woman from FWS in charge of rounding up bankers and taking to jail. SEC is neutered because strong ties to bankers.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:17 | 1635486 sun tzu
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Moral of the story is you're a fucking moron who should have been aborted with a clotheshanger

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:43 | 1635002 Mike2756
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Illinois has the same law for squirrels, they're all over the place.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:27 | 1635205 Central Bankster
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One of the great mysteries of the universe includes the fact that Darwinism hasn't taken our friend whstlblwr.  I guess socialism truly does allow the weak and stupid to survive.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:15 | 1635479 sun tzu
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Most likely he is a retarded union/government clown. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:20 | 1635161 sun tzu
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Gibson is the only major non-union guitar manufacturer in the USA. The DOJ wrote in the brief that Gibson should move their manufacturing overseas to avoid trouble

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:30 | 1635736 angela03
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Those actually controlling U.S. government foreign and domestic policy are members of the plutocracy. One very important goal of this group is wage price destruction in the U.S. This is not a world of nations, it is a world of multinationals that control governments. The very notion of patriotism to country is but one aspect of a global Milton Bradley board game meant to entertain the oblivious masses.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:01 | 1635847 angela03
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No shit Sherlock.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:48 | 1634819 DefiantSurf
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note to self:

Bury gold somewhere safe

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:09 | 1634879 DaveyJones
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six feet down, right next to that congressman 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:47 | 1635596 Hurdy Gurdy Man
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Anthony Sowell was arrested shortly after one surviving victim jumped naked out of a window after being raped. At first, she claimed she had been in a car accident, but later told police she was attacked after seeing the bodies recovered from his house.

After police took Sowell in for questioning, he was told about six bodies found at his house and one in the backyard. Sowell responded, “Oh, those,” using the plural when only one body had been found in the backyard at the time, according to police testimony.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:11 | 1634887 Sudden Debt
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Cancel the credit card on which you bought them and apply for another one at another bank so your payment history dissaprears.

When they check your credit card history, they'll only see your last cards history.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:24 | 1634932 cfosnock
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Just pay cash

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:11 | 1635119 XenoFrog
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State legislatures are already working to close that loophole, requiring the sellers to keep a detailed list of info for each customer, including name, address, phone, and a copy of your photo ID.  It's all for YOUR protection though.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:01 | 1635066 Shirley Wilfahrt
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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:46 | 1635806 angela03
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If you are buying gold here in the U.S. from any of a multitude of dealers rest assured your name and address are on file. When the dollar finally collapses, the national guard will be knocking on your door wanting to retrieve it. You think the little girl taking care of a bird had problems, just try keeping your gold from our totally corrupted government. Buy your gold in Asia and keep it there. Buy your real estate elsewhere. We are living in the last days of a dying world power. The country that was is no more, the age of neo-fuedalism is well on it's way and there is no stopping it. The American of today is uninformed, stupid, and most disturbingly, an utter coward in standing up to it's corrupt government.  Today's American has no right to liberty and freedom, we are a nation of eunuchs that deserve oppression and tyranny. It's coming.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 18:41 | 1636092 sethstorm
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Buy your gold in Asia and keep it there.

What says that makes it any safer?  You're putting it in a less free region that is even more despotic than the US could ever be.  You might as well make something of that gold instead.  Your real estate is even worse for it is a sitting target. 

I'd argue that no country is safe, for the US can reach them all by some means.  The US is far from a "dying world power", but evolving to be the sole superpower with a militarily-enforced infinite jurisdiction.

Tue, 09/06/2011 - 00:57 | 1637220 Andre
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"The US is far from a "dying world power", but evolving to be the sole superpower with a militarily-enforced infinite jurisdiction."

The US military is a colonial power that is alive on sufferance. The US military way since the Civil War has been to produce its way to victory. It can no longer do that. The flat panels are from Japan and Taiwan, software is from India, basic manufacturing (including most of the machine tool industry) is Japan and China plus some in Europe. If China asserts regional supremacy and cuts off the US, the US will be in the same boat as Japan in early 1941. It will have one year to fight and regain its access to the basic materials, PLUS rebuild what it can of the industry it has been shipping to other countries. Failure to do so means losing the war.

The US simply no longer has the industrial base, the economic base, or the trained workforce required to be the "arsenal of democracy", nor does it have the social cohesion needed to face the difficulties as a common cause.

I would say these are self-inflicted wounds, stemming from

  • greed (desire for max profits regardless of sustainability)
  • pride ("Nobody gonna mess with US!", also "The US will always be here, there's no danger")
  • lust for control (a fragmented society is "easier to control")
Tue, 09/06/2011 - 00:54 | 1637215 Max UK
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'we are a nation of eunuchs that deserve oppression and tyranny. It's coming.'


That isn't a uniquely American thing. Though we gotta give the Greek people some credit.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:49 | 1634826 Global Hunter
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Maybe I'm a little slow today, but why do we internationalize?  What's the plan? Other than that the rest of it I understood.  

What's the rationalization for the woodpecker situation was the FWS just trying to protect their own turf and wanted to have a monopoly on saving woodpeckers?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:07 | 1634874 MayIMommaDogFac...
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was the FWS just trying to protect their own turf and wanted to have a monopoly on saving woodpeckers?

The agent was just reaffirming her vocational relevance -- oops, I mean vocational necessity.  </sarc>

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:13 | 1634885 mcguire
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i didint get it either... 'this is why we internationalize'??  you mean have dual citizenship?? 

the girl and gibson guitars.. good examples.  however, i think a more prescient example would be our recent experience with hurricane irene.  this was an exceptionally clear example of a dry run for the police state.. a blatant abrogation of posse comitates, militarization of the 'homeland'.   

"The dual-status commander concept was created in 2009. In March, the Defense Department , the Department of Homeland Security and the bipartisan 10-member Council of Governors adopted the "Joint Action Plan for Unity of Effort," strengthening support to governors when they request military assistance for disaster response."

and the media played right along with it, we were served "hurricaine fear" in supersize portions..  

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:59 | 1635035 Kayman
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The real dry run was the run up to the Bush/Hussein Iraq war. The truth was steamrolled over by the invention of WMD.  And the only tiny voice of protest was one, now bought-and-paid-for Illinois senator.

The American public played their part with the same enthusiasm as the German Folk when Herr Hitler entered the Rheineland.

It is falling apart, let's hope there will be enough pieces left to cobble together a functioning country.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:23 | 1635172 sun tzu
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That paid-and-bought-for illinois senator then proceeded to bomb the hell out of Libya to steal their oil.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:27 | 1635520 Kayman
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sun tzu

I guess you can attribute motive and strategy to him.  I kind of thought he did it for the fun of it. You know, got Bin Laden, now why not Ka-Daffy.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:02 | 1635648 Hurdy Gurdy Man
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Big Oil, Big Government, Big Weather

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:02 | 1635649 Hurdy Gurdy Man
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Big Oil, Big Government, Big Weather

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:15 | 1634896 jeff montanye
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we (they) internationalize to beat down the price of labor, evade taxation and, as an example, environmental regulation, some of which actually makes sense.  the exercise of power and the intimidation of the weak are, to some, fun and an end in themselves.  and like the bush, cheney and obama imprisonment, torture and assassination crimes, they keep the rabble quiet.  for a while.  

ron paul '12

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:16 | 1634906 cfosnock
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I think the author is saying you internationalize to protect your wealth\assets. I also think the point the author is trying to make with the woodpecker story is the level of government interference. IE if the FWS (were not talking about the IRS, EPA or FBI but the FWS) was able to track and intimidate a 11 year old US citizen based on its perception of the facts, what chance do you have if the IRS wants to enforce some bizarre aspect of the tax code. That is my 2 cents anyway but I'm not the author.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:42 | 1634997 defencev
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While I have no problem with this particular article of SOB keep in mind that he is betting on demise of America and even trying to make money on it which is pretty disgusting in my books...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:57 | 1635047 Global Hunter
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thanks for the responses I was unsure about the title of the article.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:24 | 1635187 sun tzu
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betting on demise of America

That's a pretty safe bet with the traitorous scum running this country.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:50 | 1634827 Ray1968
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Nice. Protecting a protected animal is a felony. Who would have thought of it.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:42 | 1634998 LetThemEatRand
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Except it was just the rogue action of a stupid individual agent, and no charges were pressed.   If the author's point is that we need less regulation, he's playing right into the hands of the globalists who seek to enslave us all.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:25 | 1635193 sun tzu
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Less regulations lead to globalism?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 20:36 | 1636494 StychoKiller
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LetThemEatRand's moniker should tell you all you need to know about the axe (s)he's grinding here...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:52 | 1634833 macfly
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Well from here to 2016 it is going to get worse and worse. Homeland Security is aleady the new Gestapo/Stasi/KGB and most of us here are going to thier camps.

The Bilderberg-banksters have pulled off a great silent coup, and most of the population isn't awake enough to realize, and the few who are fear being motivated enough to do anything about it because of the stories like this they hear along the way.

The banksters have already won, what you gonna do now?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:09 | 1634880 Hannibal
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Wide awake and I aint gonna do squad. Fuck it!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:18 | 1634914 jeff montanye
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the banksters have won until they've lost.  and they are starting to lose big time.  stock prices first.  then bond prices.  then executive control.  then, finally and at long last, freedom (i.e. they go to jail).  

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:02 | 1635404 macfly
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I hope and pray you're right!! :-)

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:28 | 1635209 Djirk
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not a big believer in the conspiracy bit, but the US seems to have legalized corruption.

I bet the wood from India and Madagascar was protected by some non profit corporate pansy front like the Sierra Club.  Or I love how all the US politicians retire to manage some trust like the Clinton foundation....curious to see a list of contributors to that "non - profit"... throw in a list of over priced speaking engagements for politicians for good measure


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:19 | 1635885 Kayman
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Biggest Clinton contributor- China.  How the hell else would Wallymart get their shit in the country tariff-free ?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:53 | 1634834 williambanzai7
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Somewhere in Virginia there is a person who's job it is to hand out woodpecker citations. No citations, no job.

I rest my case.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:58 | 1634847 Global Hunter
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I hadn't heard that case before reading the article, I was wondering if it was something like that.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:08 | 1634858 GoinFawr
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look, Jackass 3.5D already covered this: the following film clearly illustrates the proper procedure to follow should you find an injured woodpecker in the wild...

(or so it appears)

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:18 | 1634912 DaveyJones
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Yes Virginia, there is a santa claus

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:36 | 1634974 redpill
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Woodpeckers could be subject to 11-year old domestic terrorists. If you see something, say something.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:56 | 1634835 DefiantSurf
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Actually the FWS backed off and cancelled the citation:

"On June 13, a special agent with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service observed a woman carrying a cage that contained a woodpecker at a home improvement store in Fredericksburg Virg.

As possession of a bird may potentially violate the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act, the agent initiated an inquiry to determine whether a potential violation had occurred.

Upon speaking with the subject, later identified as Alison Capo, on June 27, the agent determined that no further action was warranted. A citation that had been previously drafted by the agent was cancelled on June 28.

Unfortunately, the citation was processed unintentionally despite our office's request to cancel the ticket. The Service has contacted Ms. Capo to express our regret. The Service is also sending Ms. Capo a formal letter explain the clerical error and confirming that ticket should never have been issued.

This misunderstanding was the result of a Service inquiry into possible violations of federal wildlife law. In particular the Service is responsible for the protection of all federally listed migratory birds. The Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries did not participate in the inquiry."


The Gibson thing is on though, absolute crap...The DOJ goes after employers like Gibson, but leaves dirty banksters alone....

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:00 | 1634853 Global Hunter
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I'm going to call B.S. on the FWS, if somebody wants to cancel a citation it can be done.  This smells to me like a little retroactive CYA once the case picked up publicity.  Thuggish bureaucrats hate publicity.  

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:34 | 1634970 mind_imminst
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Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:10 | 1635113 Kayman
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1. The DOJ goes after employers like Gibson, but leaves dirty banksters alone

Well said. A woodpecker is a tragedy, a trillion dollar theft is a statistic.

2. CYA  -

 Rule #1 in Government Bureaucracy- Do Nothing, but appear to Look Busy.

Rule #2 - If you must do something, be certain not to take personal responsibility, ergo it is always someone else's fault. 



Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:08 | 1635439 robobbob
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It doesn't what their intent was or wasn't. The point is that they have the power to do it. The summons was served. The family was intimidated. How do you "take back" the fear and trauma of that girl and her mother to being confronted by armed force in the hands of a tyrannical government?

What if something had gone wrong? What if little Johnny had leaped out playing cops and robbers and took a real bullet from the cop? Not too long ago, SWAT served a warrant on a home near me. The family dog was deemed a threat and killed. The kicker? It was the wrong address. gov response? oh sorry.

The government no longer respects the rights of the people.  We're just an inconvenience to their work schedule and a necessary evil to meet their quotas.

It doesn't matter if they changed their minds. The message has been sent.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:14 | 1635874 LawsofPhysics
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Remember Ruby Ridge!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:00 | 1634851 tony bonn
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the united states is a criminal terrorist nation - the result of decades of expansionary imperialist power concentrated in an oligarchy whose foreign conquests serve only the banksters.....

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:22 | 1634929 DaveyJones
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No no, we are fighting terrorists and spreading democracy, keeping the world safe from gold, other currencies and free markets

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:00 | 1634852 Oh regional Indian
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Love him or loathe him, Simon has a point.
Nationalism is a fake emotion. Patriotism too. It's all jingoism anyways. The US is not what most think it is.

Try this :

Pretty crazy stuff, really.

Then, try this:

It's the same in most place, I'll give you that, but in a SHTF scenario, the "system" to control and subdue is not as strong in some places as it is in others.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:11 | 1634886 LawsofPhysics
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Very true, think about states where a disproportionate amount of folks already serve in the national guard.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:08 | 1635856 LawsofPhysics
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LOL, interesting to see so many junks.  Very sad to see that so many hate their own military.  That one is going to come back and bite these sheep in the ass.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:02 | 1634856 kito
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simon says move to chile! woodpeckers can be kept as pets! no citations!!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:03 | 1634857 erg
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The CEO of Gibson, Henry Juszkiewicz is on record saying that he was told by the government that his problems would go away if he built his guitars in Madagascar. Here's an excerpt.

CHRIS DANIEL:  Mr. Juszkiewicz, did an agent of the US government suggest to you that your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of American labor?

HENRY JUSZKIEWICZ:  They actually wrote that in a pleading.

CHRIS DANIEL:  Excuse me?

HENRY JUSKIEWICZ:   They actually wrote that in a pleading.

CHRIS DANIEL:  That your problems would go away if you used Madagascar labor instead of our labor?

HENRY JUSKIEWICZ:  Yes, yeah. They said that explicitly.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:22 | 1634928 RSloane
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I was going to say "unbelievable" but unfortunately I do believe it.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:27 | 1634940 DaveyJones
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There are so many examples of the NAFTA police hanging out there. The whole thing is like a science fiction novel with secret and not so secret global powers enslaving the planet

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:03 | 1634861 formadesika3
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I didn't know woodpeckers migrated. The ones that are slowly destroying the siding on my house sure as hell don't. The cat would have done the world a great service if it had been allowed to follow its natural instincts.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:12 | 1634891 MayIMommaDogFac...
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FWS pre-crime unit to your front door in 3,2,1...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:24 | 1635189 formadesika3
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"All day long the idiots babbled… Their minds were dull, confused, lost in shadows."

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:24 | 1634892 GoinFawr
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Aren`t they hammering your siding to remove wood-eating bugs? 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:27 | 1634946 formadesika3
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I've been told it's part of their mating ritual. IMO they've been doing too much mating lately. We now have a woodpecker infestation. I'll be investing in cats.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:49 | 1634964 GoinFawr
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I'm no ornithologist, but isn't it  bit late in the season for them to be mating?

Anyway, you might try a fresh coat of stain, a hassle no doubt, but Woody won't like it, and neither will any bugs he and his ilk might be after.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:14 | 1635136 formadesika3
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It's not a bug problem. They also like to go after the metal flashing on the roof and the metal gutters. The louder the better (in their terms).

It's all about impressing the chicks with who's got the biggest pecker. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:32 | 1635751 Cathartes Aura
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. . .where have I heard that before?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:30 | 1634956 IronShield
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I don't know you but I sure as shit hope that was /sarc.  Because if it isn't that is the most asinine comment I've yet seen on ZH.  The fuking bird is doing it for your own good; you should be grateful.   Uh, that's a big FU there buddy and the same to the bird... may they rest...


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:33 | 1634965 IronShield
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Oops... In case the FWS dickheads are watching, that last part was /sarc...  no really...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:48 | 1635018 formadesika3
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FYI (and any FWS lurkers out there), I would never personally harm a feather on a woodpeckers head. But cats are sovereign individuals, even if they do have Democrat leanings. They will disregard govt regulations. That is my strategy.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:04 | 1635078 GoinFawr
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I guess you're not in a 'Blue Dog' state then.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:36 | 1635260 formadesika3
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I think it's kind of a purple state. Me, I don't care. Simon Black does tend to sensationalize events. But in the final analysis, is what he is preaching wrong-headed? I'm beginning to think otherwise.

The woodpecker species in question is the Western Flicker. If you're used to the eastern variety of woodpecker, that's like comparing a mogwai to a gremlin.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:36 | 1635263 Kayman
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It is your personal responsibility to make known to your cat the laws of the land. 

 Further, any predatory actions of your cat cannot be defended since you knew or ought to have known that your cat was a scofflaw. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:51 | 1635350 formadesika3
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+1 Thank you for reminding me of my responsibilities as a prospective cat owner, Kayman. I will have to consider this further. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:56 | 1635045 CompassionateFascist
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Woodpeckers rule. Think of it as nature's music, rhythm section.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:42 | 1635785 maximin thrax
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If they're pecking for insects then your siding might have worse going for it than woodpeckers.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:49 | 1634869 Mercury
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“...erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance;”

                          Yes indeed Mr. Jefferson.  

The Gibson thing is nothing short of shocking. Every musician should be made aware of this.  Here are two other recent pieces from the WSJ:

 Remember, if you’re on trial for murder, you’re innocent until proven guilty.  But when it comes to government regulations the onus is on you to prove (on their terms, with their paperwork) full compliance with every dot and tittle of the law or risk getting wiped out.

 Extra credit if you can identify which end of the American political spectrum thinks the EPA can do no wrong…

And it isn't just Gibson either.  Getting busted at airport customs because you can’t “prove” your vintage (or any) instrument is 100% contraband material free sounds like a lot of fun too.  Unbelievable.  I don’t remember voting on any of this either.

So much for finally having a president with rhythm....Cue the Ron Paul ad showing Obama's goons getting tough with some 80 yr. old jazz musician at O'Hare...

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:06 | 1634870 LawsofPhysics
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More of this to come.  Gibson would be better served if they opened a dummy plant and upon the next raid leveled said plant with the federal officiers inside.  My guess is that Gibson's competition knows someone in the federal governement who owes them a favor or two.  This is how these things usually play out.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 18:51 | 1636124 sethstorm
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Killing Federal officers like that will mark the last days of Gibson if the government has as much power as you say they have.  Attracting a bureaucrat, whether that way or any other way, always makes the problem worse.



Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:08 | 1634875 cfosnock
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Its Gibson Guitar's fault obviously they are not sharing their profit with lobbyist or Congress. If they did maybe the congressperson in their district or their senators would have tried to help, then again maybe they should try to implement some green technology so they can get a half billion dollar Federal backed loan and a photo op with the President.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:39 | 1635567 Diogenes
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In another thread someone posted info on  rival instrument maker Martin's large contributions to the Democratic party ($35,000) compared to to Gibson's 0.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:55 | 1635832 maximin thrax
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Our governor, a Republican, should have something to say about DOJ's stating that it could al go away for Gibson if they operated out of the country, taking Tennessee jobs with them.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:09 | 1634878 Implicit simplicit
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The cases are actually onnected. Seemingly the captured/saved bird was also imported by Gibson to perform miniscule woodworking labor. The bird was considered an illegal alien performing slave labor. The child will be sentenced to water boarding while Gibson will have to recall all its guitars made in the past 15 years. dadadaddanahhaaa-thats all folks

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:11 | 1634884 Theta_Burn
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These agencies have to justify their existance somehow eh?

My work brings me to some ghetto'y areas in Jersey and I've seen first hand, criminals (you know the ones with zero to loose) after reaching certain property borders law enforcement gives up the chase, no way these bullies risk life and limb to protect the public, no way.

Remember Camden NJ where they laid off 100 or better police officers? still hasn't burned to the ground yet, those laid off officers avoided the worst areas anyway

So these pussies will continue thier quest for the easy pinch, departmental soundbite, and promotions.

Soon i think we will have our "man on fire moment" whats not clear to me is will our gun toting sphincter boys fire on us citizens, and if "yes they will" who would be the first world leader to tell (o)bamma to step down.....

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 20:29 | 1636453 ZeroAffect
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whats not clear to me is will our gun toting sphincter boys fire on us citizens

Who knows for sure? Evidence is out there to support the scenario that sleeper cells, on a global scale, will activate 'on signal' to bring about "Ordo Ab Chao". Search "Black Awakening" to start digging for more info, or go here 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:11 | 1634888 djsmps
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I'm a musician. I wouldn't put anything past Henry Juszkiewicz. He is not the most noble person in the world.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:21 | 1634924 cfosnock
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That maybe true but if so then actually charge them with something or stop raiding their production plant.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:31 | 1634959 Azannoth
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Call me racist by I would not trust any1 with an east european name

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:48 | 1635334 Kayman
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Call me racist by I would not trust any1 with an east european name

I wouldn't call it racist, but it certainly is uninformed. Many red-blooded Americans have anglicized their last names, perhaps even some that are related to you; maybe you too.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:33 | 1635246 sun tzu
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Steve Jobs isn't the most noble person in the world. When will the Feds kick down the doors at Apple HQ and come barging in with automatic weapons to haul off all their computers?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:42 | 1635311 Kayman
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 He is not the most noble person in the world.

I love it ! Guilt by Inference.  Star Witness- I'm a musician.

Do you have any personal knowledge sir.  Well....not really, but I heard it somewhere.

My God ! Look at his last name.  Throw the book at him !

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:11 | 1634890 A Lunatic
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Show me a country where shit like this NEVER happens and maybe I'll buy into the "grass is greener" approach to sovereign living. Until then, I expect that my will to remain free, coupled with my 2nd amendment rights ought to sufficiently cover my ass for the duration of my time spent here.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:05 | 1635419 DCFusor
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Just because most countries are hosed doesn't make it acceptable.  And as a gun guy myself, I doubt using your second ammendment right to own and bear has much effect.  IF you were thinking that right extended to shooting someone in law enforcement -- I suggest it will be the next to last thing you do.  You'll be dead right after that.  Ever hear of a cop-killer being captured alive?



Mon, 09/05/2011 - 20:12 | 1636388 A Lunatic
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So I guess my choices are leave the country or roll over and be hauled off to the concentration camp when the Stasi show up? This IS the scenario of the future, correct? Why else would one need to leave? I certainly do not advocate shooting officers of the law, as you have so ignorantly implied, asshole. Would I defend my life and property against obvious malicious injustice? Of course.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:13 | 1634893 DaveyJones
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My favorite, from my industry, are the camera tickets where they actually alter the traffic lights to increase hazard but increase revenue and bribe you by saying just pay it and it won't affect your driving record (despite how many speeding tickets you get). 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:15 | 1634904 bankonzhongguo
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The root of what is going on and what will only get worse is the human nature of bureaucracies.  Government agencies and their agents serve no other purpose rather than to maintain (expand) their budgets and hence expand their authority - its just mission creep.  But now that federal agents face real unemployment, they will work overtime to stay busy harassing all of us.  G_d damn Red Coats.  But in time the size of these toilings relative to the size of economy and population metastasizes - cancer on the body.  Look at the bird story.  Clerical error?  They called a state trooper to serve a child with their paperwork and then went back to the office to have more meetings and write more letters to "fix it."  Where is the effing' common sense?  Anyone got written up for incompetence?  No.  Because there is no penalty to unchecked executive power.  And when things really go wrong, nobody is going to apologize - they will just cover up their mistakes.  Just look at Operation Fast & Furious.  Any Eric Holder perjury charges?

Look at the current hysterical post office BS; 'Out of business by Winter'  Please.  What?  90% of the daily deliverable mass of paper is junk - it goes right in the trash - no opt out, but still delivering on Saturdays in the age of email.  If mail was delivered once a week nobody would notice.

The weight of these bureaucracies will collapse upon themselves.  The best solution is to just not give the pricks the satisfaction and hide your shit.  You can't play their games when the rules are constantly changing.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:25 | 1634934 RSloane
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Agreed 100%.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:16 | 1634908 snowball777
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Disingenuous so incredibly lame when there are real fights to be fought, Mr. Black.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:17 | 1634910 Madcow
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I’ve been worrying about the increasingly insane and erratic behavior exhibited by Federal authorities. 


The 11 year old girl in this story. The harassment of Gibson Guitars. 5 year olds being fined for operating lemonade stands with out a city permit.  What could be the explanation? 


I first thought it was simply a result of these stories being published – where before they were not.  But these are shocking – and would have made it to the public consciousness before widespread internet communication.  They would at least have made it to the local news, if not Oprah.


Then I sat back and wondered if more and more Federal authorities are sex criminals and other types of sociopaths who can’t find work in the private sector. That could be, but seems unlikely.


The only explanation that I think makes sense – is that the Feds are now so desperate to maintain control – that their only recourse is to incite fear and terror amongst the population.  Like the little guy in a street gang who can’t win a fair fight – but is respected by everyone – because everyone thinks he is CrRaAAAAzzZzyYy.  That little guy could just go off minute – you never know what he’s going to do.


So that’s what I think they’re doing.  Create fear of Federal Authority.  Cause people to panic by the mere sight of a regulator.  Its pretty easy to gain respect that way.  All they have to is appear to be increasingly volatile, unstable and unpredictable. 


No one wants to mess with that guy.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:45 | 1635008 snowball777
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What could be the explanation? 

Koch-suckers with mega(epi)phones.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:54 | 1635031 disabledvet
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And I saw 'em pour the lemonade on the six year old girl's head and go "he, he, he, he" no less!" there's no stopping these people. OH THE HUMANITY!

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:54 | 1635362 sun tzu
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There are two causes:

One is corruption. Someone pays off a person in government to go after the competitor. CF Martin is a major competitor to Gibson and a major donor to the DNC. Maybe Gibson didn't pay someone protection money or should have given equal amounts to both parties. Bill Gates learned his lesson. He used to contribute heavily to the GOP. The Clinton administration attacked MSFT in the late 1990's. Gates then started contributing more to the DNC. Now nobody is messing with them. 

Two is the power hungry bureaucrats. When people get into position of authority, they like to abuse others. It happens with cops or any other regulators. I once worked for a powerful federal agency. Some people there just liked to push people around because they had the authority and the weight of the federal government behind them. They knew there was an army of federal attorneys and thousands of armed federal agents behind them. They even made comments about how they loved the power they had and liked see people cry. It was all a joke to them. Don't get me wrong - there were people who were cheating and deserved a big fine or even prison time. There were also plenty of people who made honest mistakes or didn't make any mistake at all. If they had to deal with one of these power hungry regulators, they were fucked. There is no way to comply with the thousands of federal regulations and many of us didn't even know all the laws and rules despite it being our full time job and all the training we received. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:51 | 1635608 Kayman
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sun tzu

Well said.

When you take power, please pass a law that says "Ignorance of the law" is a valid excuse.

No one, and I mean no one can keep up with or understand the millions of laws we have.

Or as my lawyer likes to say, if judges and lawyers knew the law, we wouldn't have Appeal courts.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:20 | 1634920 Gringo Viejo
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"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may be even a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, for it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Winston Churchill

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:08 | 1635102 CompassionateFascist
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Winston Churchill: 20th century's bloodiest warmonger (WWI + WW II), genocide artist (Bengal + Assam, 1942-43), and Zionist-imperialist stooge (owned by RedShield). First and Worst Neo-Con.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:27 | 1635206 Gringo Viejo
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Either have my sympathy. All the best...............

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 17:16 | 1635879 dexter_morgan
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he's a fucking douchebag......but perhaps also over medicated and/or emotionally and mentally stunted, poor kid.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:43 | 1635313 AlmostEven
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Also, Chuchill was trying to plan attack on Russia as German bombs rained on England and he was promising that all of the country's resources were dedicated to defending the homeland. (Source: Michael Parenti's book "History as Mystery.") So he was also the first Cold Warrior.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:57 | 1635375 sun tzu
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You need to read some real history books. The Brits weren't in a position to attack anyone in 1940 after their army with driven out of France. Plus there was no way they could ever invade Russia unless they went through Germany first. 

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:16 | 1635482 Kayman
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Churchill was running convoys to Murmansk "as German bombs rained on England"   I can see why the book was titled "History as Mystery"

And the U.S. flew planes through Canada to Alaska where Russian pilots took over and flew them through Siberia to the war front.

Trucks and other weapons were transported by ship and then overland through Iran to Russia.

The Cold war wasn't even a figment of Churchill's imagination until nearing the end of WWII when he gave his "Iron Curtain" speech.  Just like in the 1930's, even then few were listening.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 15:07 | 1635430 Kayman
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And don't forget (gasp) he had an American mother. Unforgivable....

Ahhh.... the Hun, they are either at your throat or at your feet.  Now get your fascist face back down on the boots, Adolf.

For all of Churchill's faults, and there were many, he stood alone, against Hitler, while you and your ilk cheered on the gutless Chamberlain.  " I have Herr Hitlers signature right here on this fresh piece of toilet paper.

Hitler, Stalin, Mao - your heros. No ?

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 14:15 | 1635140 CoolBeans
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I loved Winston...I wonder what he'd be saying if he were alive today.

Mon, 09/05/2011 - 16:01 | 1635644 Kayman
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An Invisible Curtain, of our own making, and of our doing, has descended upon this Nation.

And inside that Curtain a glimmer of Truth yet remains, not sullied by lies and deceit, nor cowed by incessant propaganda, the like which would embarass Goebels.

And in that Truth, and in this Hour, let us find the end of the beginning.


Mon, 09/05/2011 - 13:20 | 1634921 SAME AS IT EVER WAS

Gidson made (and still makes) great guitars. I only wish I could easily afford a les paul. The products they produced in the 50's thru 70's are worth by far more than the whole company is today. These "company raided" headlines smell of total shit to me. You can bet gibson see a nice eps boost from all of this. As far as the FWS story, yeah lets round up all of these agency cocksuckers and kill'em all. The message I took away from this article was to get empowered and reduce the bureaucracy of our gov't, that our freedoms are being lost one by one. Through out the last few centurys though, hasn't this authoritarian "good 'ole boys club" bullshit always been the same? What can we do to change it?

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