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Guest Post: Why You, They And — Hell — I Might Just Buy That Parabolic Move In Gold…

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Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1981069 Bill D. Cat
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For a second there I thought someone gave the keys to this place to ace .

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:04 | 1981111 Pladizow
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WTF was all that about?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:22 | 1981200 s2man
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I dunno.  I thought he was on a roll, then seemed to go in a couple of different directions.  Maybe its me, but I reread it a couple of times and didn't get the point.

Is it, You can't call a top or bottom?  I can say that in seven words.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:05 | 1981411 Oracle of Kypseli
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It seems to me that there is a paragraph missing at the end, starting with: "Therefore, ................." 


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:59 | 1981594 TheSilverJournal
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That gold run up until 1980 didn't even start until the Fed started raising rates. Once the malinvestments are show, that inflation geenie suddenly pops out and doesn't like to be put back in the bottle. I can't even imagaine how high gold will go from here if the malinvestments are exposed.

TheSilverJournal.com Q&A

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:38 | 1981753 Freddie
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Speaking of the inflation genie and Weimar - tonight I saw something creepy.  I try to watch prices in the grocery store to get a handle on what is going on with pricing.  Same stores and make mental notes.  Almost everything is up. Christmas lights, bleach, you name it.

Cereal is a shell game where they have all sorts of box sizes to confuse you.  You can usually get 16 to 17 oz of certain brands for just under $3.  Well on a bunch of brands that price tonight gets you just over 12 ounces.  One brand has 9 ounces though the boxes do not look smaller.  Yeah - we need to worry about deflation when the fed is printing like there is no tomorrow.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:44 | 1981780 TheSilverJournal
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The people aren't worried about deflation. The people enjoy deflation because it makes what you buy cheaper. It's the bankers and politicians who don't want deflation..not necessarily in the sense that deflation is bad, but if the deflation goes to the point where it breaks the banks, then hyperinflation will quickly ensue as faith is lost in fiat and then they'll no longer benefit from controlling the printing press. Yes, the deflation trade can work for a bit, but it is just a trade and the long term solid play is to expect massive inflation and a steep rise in gold and silver.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:36 | 1981972 trav7777
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well, anyone who was a silverbug is getting a LOT less cereal for their precious stack

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:05 | 1982051 Hi Ho Silver
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I sold at 46 and then again at 48 and used the fiat to buy a farm.  I've been broke ever since fixing up the farm but at these prices it's time to start stacking the shinies again and start growing my own cereal.



Thu, 12/15/2011 - 03:54 | 1982376 Ahmeexnal
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Hmmm....did JPig just offload it's short positions on silver at $28?


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:20 | 1982086 i_fly_me
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@trav7777: We weren't the ones selling.  Try to keep up.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:49 | 1982155 DeadFred
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I don't think he gets it. Try speaking slooowly and use simple words.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:22 | 1982282 Manthong
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When I started driving, gas was 34.9.

I've got a silver Washington quarter and a Roosevelt dime that are worth over two gallons of gas today.

Those same two coins will convert to more than a gallon of gas as long as I live.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 05:00 | 1982420 Dugald
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When I started it was just nine pence per gallon......

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 11:21 | 1983182 Banjo
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Only if you put ALL your life savings in at the peak AND realize your loss by selling immediately on price declines. My average price is $24

I want more gold and silver real physical not rehypothecised paper. In this context deflation is great! I did actually buy more gold yesterday.

NOTE: I have purchased gold and silver at their highs $1920 and $49.5 I was thinking damn wish I had more free cash at the time. With the belief we had reached some sort of event horizon on the fiat paper front.

Also I don't trade in and out not smart enough to do that and I always get my grubby hands on physical :)

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:25 | 1981941 BeerBrewer09
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It's going to hit the dumbest of sheeple very hard when they can't buy their favorite junk food, soda, baby food, diapers, etc at what they did a few months prior

Here's what I have noticed:

1. At my job we have been preparing our budget for a 40% increase in paper (magazine printing) for next year. We will be struggling with the new rules of the post office and their potential demise. Our parent company has already press released Q1 furloughs and potential layoffs.

2. My friend owns a restaurant. the $9.99 jar of mayonnaise he's been buying at CostCo for 11 years just recently went up to $12.50. He just got quoted by his food distributor on how many percentage points everything is increasing in price for the new year. At least 10%, if not more, across the board. Beef will be 15% higher.

Can't wait to see what happens when gas goes over $5.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:01 | 1982044 static
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BB ...who do U work for? just curious...I worked for RRD. for 23 years ...closed our plant in 2009...

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:48 | 1982154 Thunderlips
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Speaking of Mayo, I can't find a brand where the first ingredient isn't Estrogen-mimicking Soybean Oil.   Now I'm making it at home from eggs and olive oil.  Not only is the price going up and the package getting smaller, it's full of package-shrinking ingredients.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 02:06 | 1982289 pavman
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I knew there was a reason I've never liked Mayo...

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:31 | 1981956 Herkimer Jerkimer
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I concur. I'm one of those gold, guns, and food nuts.

Well, actually I just think there's going to be wild inflation after listening to Beck for several years, (I was just a little kid in the early 80's, but I lived through the 24% rates and put $1000 in of Grammy's money, in a bond for 5 years, @ 19.75%. I think he's right with the information he's presented and what I see in my grocery store in Toronto. I'm not a real finance guy. I never even stayed in a Holiday Inn! But I do know that I've watched food prices going up over the last couple of years. A large tin of Folgers used to be, within the last couple of years, about $5.99.

I bought 36 last spring, when it was on the last sale at that price, of that size (that's a sneaky trick that is a good tell that inflation is happening when they change the sizes. Oh, not bigger but smaller... So you get less, just in case you were curious.

Well, those tins of Folgers are now regularly $10.99 at my store and $13.99 at Costco.

I don't know much about finance, but anytime I can double my money, I think that's a bargain.

I'm buying all I can of everything that can sit on a shelf. As I say to people, "I hope you can all sit around and laugh in 5 years, because everything will be wonderful. But if it turns out that it's not, you're all going to be in big trouble."


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:57 | 1982033 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Freddie, next time you're in the grocery store, take a look at the half-gallon cartons and jugs of orange juice, grapefruit juice, etc.

If you look closely at the size on the labeling, you'll discover that it's not a half gallon anymore. It's some bullshit like 58 or 59 ounces.

You just know that some fucking ripoff artist marketing consultant got paid $800,000 to figure out the most that the size could be cut without anyone noticing.


Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:15 | 1982074 fuu
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Wait till you meet the space management folks.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:59 | 1981842 He_Who Carried ...
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That gold run up until 1980 didn't even start until the Fed started raising rates. Once the malinvestments are show, that inflation geenie suddenly pops out and doesn't like to be put back in the bottle. I can't even imagaine how high gold will go from here if the malinvestments are exposed.

Its all about perception of real and not-so-real dangers right now it therefore won't matter in the near term... Fact is: Dollar up, Oil and Gold that have moved in tandem over much of the year - down! Cash is king. Expect no definitive answer by markets before mid February. That's how we trade this, wade in and out carefully.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:30 | 1981955 Spitzer
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fact is not dollar up, oil and gold down.

Remeber August ? When gold shot up while the dollar went up and oil went down ?

Another US downgrade is coming.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:04 | 1981606 Jendrzejczyk
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Thanks all, thought my brain had fused.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:20 | 1981678 Centurion9.41
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Actually, the nothing is missing.  Everything one needs to know about the piece can be surmized by noting the first two charts.

First chart, an almost 30 year period, is drawn on a non-log scale.

Second chart, covering only 5 year period, is drawn on a log scale.

If you dont understand the importance of the point, then keep buying the BS being fed to you by the Wall Street scumb, and the scumb that like to make money off of calling Wall Street scumb.

I find this much more interesting, and telling... http://youtu.be/huIXs_05H5E

In most things in life, it's always best to go full physical.  But only at the right time.  Otherwise one ends up going full retard.  Never go full retard.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:33 | 1981962 Oracle of Kypseli
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Thanks for pointing that out, but not everyone understands charts and their hidden (or obvious to some) meanings. This article being for our information is well appreciated as long as it is made simple for some of us to understand. And I am not the only one with that opinion. 

Many of us @ZH are physical holders anyway.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 18:05 | 1985145 Centurion9.41
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Oracle, if what I pointed out in those two charts did not immediately jump out at the reader....then the reader is truly playing dice with their capital. 

The fact is, log vs non-log is a prime indicator of whether or not the writer &/or reader really understand, or are truly ignorant of, basic applied mathematics.

Btw, how can information that is not understood for the truth and misconceptions it contains be "well appreciated"?

Occam's Razor, it's a biach.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 18:09 | 1985154 Centurion9.41
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Oh yes, funny, but the humor parading as truth is a major factor why the world is where it is... http://www.youtube.com/v/kO8x8eoU3L4 ;)

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 08:55 | 1982606 dizzyfingers
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He's been drinking too much coffee. Like his enthusiasm but calm down.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 06:21 | 1982469 Kingbingo
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That is 3 minutes of my life I'm never getting back. 


Article Fail

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 19:14 | 1985381 Centurion9.41
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You actually watched more than 30 seconds....

Did you notice his T-shirt...


Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:24 | 1981479 LongBalls
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DUDE.......don't confuse me with your confusion!?!?!?!? This would have been the proper headline.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 22:05 | 1981611 I think I need ...
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it'll be overnight...period

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:12 | 1981891 He_Who Carried ...
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WTF was all that about?

Dude, someone who was betting that Gold would go up indefinitely in a deflationary environment is worried and on the defensive right now... The market has topped despite massive central bank buying...

What was that Mr. Sprott? Miners should hold back their produce? That line could have been from Chavez of Venezuela urging OPEC to hold back production!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:52 | 1981070 tmosley
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I know I will, I've seen me do it.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 23:39 | 1981983 trav7777
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we know you will too.  And you will shamelessly pump it on the internet, costing some people 40% of their life savings after telling them to "back up the truck" and "buy with both fists" at $49.

How does it feel to be such a loser?

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:13 | 1982069 topcallingtroll
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Give it ten years.

I am willing to bet the return on silver bought right at the top will beat a savings account.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:21 | 1982088 tmosley
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I see my cost average still hasn't penetrated that thick skull of yours.  $18, bitch.

You must have had a black grampa.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 09:58 | 1982811 Dangertime
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Doesn't change that buying at $49 was still stupid.


Remember all that bashing you gave me for buying slv puts?  You still cannot admit it was the right call at the right time.  And that is the hallmark of a loser.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 01:07 | 1982179 Burnbright
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Trav didn't you say oil was going to go up or something? Price at the pump seems to be about 50 cents a gallon cheaper than 8 months ago. Why are you a ignorant braindead racist?

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:53 | 1981072 achmachat
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well... from 1980 to 1997, there was a market that wasn't mathematically absolutely broken.

today we have smoke, mirrors and illusions.

I pick the weimar chart.

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:54 | 1981075 OliverTwist
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Of topic but I wanted to point out one thing which is not mentioned here very often:



Wed, 12/14/2011 - 21:15 | 1981453 johny2
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I agree. As long as you have food, shelter and not too much contact with other humans. 

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 00:17 | 1982079 topcallingtroll
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How can anyone downrate that?
Prepare if you feel the need.
Learn to grow a garden mainly because it is fun.
Fuck a lot.
Laugh a lot.
Find your emotionally supportive social group. Support them to.

Thu, 12/15/2011 - 07:03 | 1982486 OliverTwist
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Hey Topcallingtroll!

Actually I put the message on because I wanted to see how many + and - it gets. Let's call it a social experiment to check what kind of people are here on ZH.

It is interesting, I should try it on a gardening website on a ZEN-website, teenager-dating website too. And publish the results.

By the way dating and teen-ager! I find your answere really interesting. We like the same things ... gardening, laughing ... and what was the other one?

I mean ... are you a girl? how old? ... maybe we could grew some ... corn?? - mainly because it is fun (I liked this one)!


Have a nice day!!!

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 19:54 | 1981078 mrgneiss
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I think I'm in love............with this article.......I need some alone time......

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:00 | 1981093 pakled
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My take on this post and others along the same vein today (subject to change as I learn more):

1) gold (& silver) are stores of value. Always have been and always will be (until alchemy perfected. Remember that old Twilight Zone episode?).

2) gold (& silver) can be traded for goods/services, but [favorably] only under certain circumstances.

3) therefore 50% of my emergency-double-secret dystopian crash bag of tricks is FOOD, and the means to cook it. (and supplies and medicine and seeds)

4) some of that 50% are redundant quantities to be offered for barter

5) must not forget dangers of relying on only gold (&silver). Possible scenario:

a) government makes gold (& silver) illegal to own. Perhaps confiscates for the patriotic purpose of backing a new currency

b) lest you try and barter with gold (&silver) on the grey/black market, government offers reward to your neighbor for turning in such a 'terrorist'. Reward is an offer the neighbor 'can't refuse', like increasing their food ration. How so? Monthly threshold on their safeway (albertson's, ralphs, costco, kroger, et al) will be bumped. How so? All food purchases, do to shortages, and to be 'fair', will require these cards. No hoarding! That is an act of terrorism and we have a place for such types.

6 No way around acredited grocery stores because all mom/pop farms will be illegal (we are actually just about there now on that one).

7) Go ahead and protect your stash with a gun, if you so choose…..but you damned well better have walked through that scenario and be absolutely clear you are prepared to take a life to protect you and yours… or you would be better off trading the gun for food/supplies. Gun or no gun, keep your mouth shut about your stashes, whatever they are, and do some favors for your neighbors, starting now.

8) inflation vs deflation: I refer to some rules I have learned in the school of hard knocks: a) to the degree you are absolutely, positively sure it is going to be ‘A’, by that same degree it will more likely turn out to be ‘B’.  b) the longer a prediction is in effect, and the more people that buy into that prediction… the less likely that prediction will manifest as predicted.

9) Inflation: Printing money (monetary inflation) does not in and of itself cause price inflation. The trillion dollars you print in your basement (if u could) has zero effect on inflation if it stays in the basement. It must circulate. A key factor to price inflation (or deflation) is ‘money velocity’; how often money exchanges hands in a finite period of time. This is why Helicopter Ben has threatened to circumvent the I-don’t-trust-you-enough-to-loan-you-money banks, and hand the money out directly. You must get people to spend.

Hyperinflation is more a psychological event than a monetary/political event. It happens when a critical mass of the populace become fearful that they must spend TODAY, because prices will be higher TOMORROW. Once at critical mass the fear feeds on itself until the currency is fully consumed. I have a Zimbabwe 100 Trillion dollar bill on my mantle to remind me of that. Best as I was able to figure it bought 2-3 loaves of bread at the end.

But, timing is everything! We will likely get both, but in which order? Inflation is an unstoppable force meeting an immoveable object (deflation). The grand tug of war. We can take a good guess at the end game, but we don’t know how this will play out in the meantime because there are too many moving parts. For example, if people stop spending will we enter spiral deflation, or will direct government spending on food stamps and war overtake the downward momentum of trillions of dollars in derivatives and loan defaults unwinding? I personally am planning for biflation; the things we absolutely need will cost a lot more… and the things we don’t absolutely need will call cost a lost less. But as a wise old man once said, “Difficult to see the future is. The dark side clouds everything”.

Whatever we do let us be sure we are prepared for the endgame. Don’t let this day-to-day crap throw you off your game (gold (& silver) seem to thrive in either environment (inflation/deflation) in terms of purchasing power, so it seems they should be part of a complete breakfast regardless).

And, even the end game is uncertain. We may be living at the most ‘interesting’ time in this round of human civilization. We are rolling over to a new age, and that means that past history may be less of a guide then some people think.

On top of everything else we must try to convert our fear to love, as we are able (fear is the ‘mind killer’). Those are the two options that are REALLY in play here.


PS – All of the above could be wrong. That is why I picked the avatar that I did. I look to ZH to ‘make me smart’… ‘make me strong’. 

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:07 | 1981122 bill1102inf
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'Store of value' my ass on a crappy day.  Hows your 'store of value' done since 9/1/11??? Lost ALOT of value eh? Meanwhile, my WORTHLESS FIAT has earned me a PREPOSTEROUS amount of REAL profit in the same time period.  

Wed, 12/14/2011 - 20:15 | 1981159 Pladizow
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Hey dum-dum, a store of wealth implies a longer time horizon then 3 months!

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