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European Union is going to be sooner or later a full-political union, with or without the perypheral countries. Meanwhile the still leveraged United States are at record low interest rates, at an interest service rate of 2.7 of its GDP and have yet to address the debt problem. Deleverage bithces!
be hard for the EU to be "a full-political union" when their politicians cannot agree on anything (had 14 meetings in 12 months but zippo agreed yet) and are fighting for their political survival with voters
You wanna take a bet? ..i'm happy to take your money
Exactly. This IS the time for change. Humans only learn by going through loads of pain and there will be a shitload of that. After all Charlemagne will be back! I could well do w/out that pain, but that is inevitable. Brace yourself and NEVER STOP!
First, find someone who thinks of himself as a "European" rather than a Greek, a German, or a Swede.
Reminds me of Calvin Trillon, "Some things are so stupid, they could only be said by an intellectual."
...money makes the world go 'round and brains, usually lagging a bit, will follow...
There is money to be made sharing a bank account with the Greeks, the mafia, the pope,...?,
Below Rome, down in the boot, 60% of the population is on "disability." Damn fine work if you can get it.
Who says they'd be invited to the party? Pain will force the weak out sooner or later... No quick fixes anywhere...
You have me at a disadvantage. I always have trouble arguing with a great set of tits;)
Do not chicken out, do NOT give up. Where would this end...?
It will end, sooner or later, with a Nordic currency union, and the southern nations going back to their own currencies, and relative isolation. No one is willing to pay for the endless credit card bills of the south.
Too much debt?
Are we seeing credit contagion?
1) Dump gold and oil
2) Buy stocks like CRM with a 620 P/E ratio
3) Buy TLT and TIP
Another day where "Paper" rules over "Hard Assets"
'1) Dump gold and oil'
Yeah, who needs oil anyway?
"Dump gold..." ??? That is so retarded!
RoboTarder is just mad he sold his gold around $1,000 if I remember right, said that was the top, and has been a very bitter gold basher ever since.
If I remember correctly he purchased Nexflix with his Gold sale.
Wasser! Wasser! 1 ... 2 .... 3 ... Emergency!
Elliott Wave has created the best summary for the world's impossible debt burden. The current Central Bank printing is only a drop in the bucket for what is needed and they are already facing political backlash.
Look for one more major deflationary fall in all assets before the great reflation.
you should take everything you read from Elliott Wave, and Rob Prechter, with a pinch of salt ...make that a truck load
Prechter waxes lyrical non-stop about others stupidity, ignorance and bad timing but has a sorry ability at introspection and his own diabolical and incompetent performance
Prechter and EW have been the worst predictors of Gold and Silver for 10 years. 2010 was a complete wipeout (for him, Steve Dickberg and Jim Morontenz) calling for PM's and stock markets to crash and a rally in the US Dollar. Wrong on all counts every week of every month for the whole year
Yet Prechter is still flogging his book on how to predict Gold and Silver on his EW website using his totally failed (a whitewash of failure across every investment sector throughout 2010) Elliot Waves.. this calamity clown is either taking the piss or a complete fraud
Not to mention GDP way overstates true production in the US. The main export of the US is the USD.
AT least it is backed by bombs and bullets.
So I read it as a each new $1.00 of debt now produces $1.40 of debt. We are all gonna be really rich if they can keep this up for a while.
Does anyone know when Chapter Two of Creature from Jekyll Island was written? Was that in the original 1994 edition? When I read that in 2008 it made almost clear perfect sense. Now it's so easy to see why the can is continually kicked down the road. It's all in chapter two!
I have the original 1994 version. Chapter Two is entitled: THE NAME OF THE GAME IS BAILOUT, complete with pictures of Nelson W. Aldrich, Henry P. Davison and Charles D. Norton, Abraham Piatt Andrew, Frank A. Vanderlip, Benjamin Strong and Paul M. Warburg.
Griffin describes the chapter as: “The analogy of a spectator sporting event as a means of explaining the rules by which taxpayers are required to pick up the cost of bailing out the banks when their loans go sour.”
Griffin’s book is prophetic, inspired if you will. As you say, he saw it coming…
"Scarce data makes estimates difficult."
same reason i don't date women wearing burquas.
The only two pieces of data necessary to fully comprehend everything:
(1) debt saturation
(2) labor deflation
The gap between the calibre of the comment on this website and what runs in the mass media is an unbridgeable abyss.
On fears for social stability as one layer of reality after another is peeled away.
I think this is what lies at the heart of Germany's stance - realism. They just do not believe in the solutions being proffered, most especially the ECB lender of last resort gimmick.
"...what runs in the mass media is an unbridgeable abyss.."
You mean the IMF's demanding that America do something about their Social Security (which has absolutely nothing to do with their national debt nor deficit spending)?
IMF target practise, anyone?
Wrath? Did the author mention wrath? Where? I dont see it. I see the poor placated with generous public assistance and medical care, the unemployed getting 2 years of benefits, the 401, public pensioners and ira holders happy with stocks only 13 pct below all time highs, bond holders thrilled with treasury gains, gold holders thrilled with gains, underwater mortgage holders living free in their homes without fear of foreclosure, irish portuguese and greek citizens getting bailouts...what wrath??? Its a fucking joke
True, all too true. The only wrath is among the last few working stiffs paying everyone's bills.
Those sane among us have to assume you are referring to North Korean slave laborers and those overworked types in China?????
Where they've shipped, and continue to ship (South Korean-American Free Trade Agreement --- tks, Prez Obama!) the jobs.....
Central planning FTW! What could go wrong?
Well said Chuck, and the image couldn't be any clearer than you made it.
great post TD.
that first chart looks like a floating FX whack-a-mole game
are they beyond the 3-mile limit?
can you imagine the fiat piles in that game?
"The world's major economies are drowning in debt--Europe, the U.S., Japan, China"
China has no debt , -1785
Actually, the issue is there is little visibility into China debt... Most of the debt is out in the provinces, in the shadow market, with very high interest rates. I'm not sure the Chinese govt even knows at what levels the debt may be.
Personally, I think China is a house of cards sitting on a hill with an approaching wind storm because there is a great deal of fear under the surface. The culture seems to be one of high risk / high fear, which rarely ends well. There also seems to be a lack of honesty, and corruption is fairly widespread, which also rarely ends well. My guess is the culture does not handle shocks all that well, but we will not know until the tide goes out and we see what's just below the surface.
Admittedly, I'm an outsider looking in and this opinion is not backed by actual numbers - in fact, there are no actual numbers on which to base any opinion, which is kind of the point.
I see, so you are suggesting they didn't offshore all those millions and millions of jobs (from the USA, Europe and Japan) to China because they AREN'T a super-rich nation?
Now, that is a good point.
Of course, since most foreign investment is focused on China, they must have SOME funds there, after all?
...China has no debt , -1785
depends upon how much value you place on all those IOU's and foreign currencies they hold.
And so the printing orgy begins ....
Hell Hole of Deflationary Downward Death Spiral....if I do say so myself.
Better start printing before it is too late.
Perhaps the agenda (value?) of vague information and factless assurances by officials is an attempt to maintain an orderly market for disposal of investments. Should the facts be revealed the sell-side of the market would swamp the other. Not unlike the market dynamics that contributed to the rapid end-game destruction of LTCM.
Obviously, in a historically unique situation (after the ultra-leveraged run leading to the Great Crash of 1929, they didn't attempt another back-to-back run like they are now attempting), only a fool would dare to make a prediction.....
Debt is a claim on future wealth stemming from future economic growth. To the extent that the economy grows and this future wealth actually comes about, debt is not a problem (provided the amount of debt, the claim, can be matched by growth). Problems arise when the claims exceed the ability of the economy to match the claim. To mitigate problems and reduce business cycle volatility, we have to stop claims on income (debt) from exceeding income.
Because of biological and physical constraints, growth cannot continue ad infinitum, but debt does not, in and of itself, have constraints. This creates a fundamental problem where the claims do not have a natural mechanism of contraint. An interest rate which is not managed would play a part in creating a constraint; however, interest rate managment has become a political tool. If anything, claims on future wealth are incentivized through things like tax incentives for debt financing, subsidization of "false growth" (debt-based growth) industry (ie. finance), and politicians who are incentivized over a very short time period.
Ways to combat the problem -
Many people accrue vast sums of money and political power through the "false growth" economy, so this will be a difficult to implement.
Sorry, dude, but the IMF permits no sanity.
Alas, I would submit the nationalization of the Federal Reserve, the top ten banksters in the USA, and reinstituting the financial transaction tax.
It will be interesting to find out who holds all this debt, I hope the debt is also not circular - public -> banks -> sovereign ->..
It is circular. The questions are: "Who will be left holding the bag when the music stops?" and "Who will the bag be thrust upon at gun point?"
Anything from Japan? What's the holdup?
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