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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:09 | 1598814 prophet
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Jobs Jobs Jobs Bitchez

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:47 | 1599492 CrazyCooter
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FIrst of all, I had no idea that QQQQ was ...

http://www.nasdaq.com/indexshares/nasdaq100.stm

But, being a former gamer, I did immediately recognized QQ ...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=qq

Tyler, this is potentially epic dark humor to tuck away for the right moment! Hah!

Personally, I think SJ top ticked apple and quit when he more or less accepted there was no upside left on which his legacy/ego could feed. He is a genius, don't get me wrong, but more importantly he is a highly competitive egotistical genius. Gates did the same thing. SJ isn't going anywhere, just like Gates didn't go anyway. Just my two cents.

Regards,

Cooter

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:40 | 1599800 IMA5U
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http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e08-make-love-not-warcraft

 

"former" gamer?  dont be ashamed!  :p

 

and yes   jobs top ticked   rock star ceos always leave on top      aapl may survive 2day but is a short

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:41 | 1599808 Max Hunter
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U2 is one of the top 3 most over-rated bands of all time..  Zepplin w/o Plant or Page would have been a better analogy..

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:50 | 1599851 IMA5U
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yup    they have become painful      along with yellow lance arm strong bracelets and triathalons

 

wait   that describes 95% of wall street

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 18:24 | 1601901 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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True story.

 

During a U2 concert Bono went into preach mode, slowly clapping his hands to the rythm of a song. He says, "Everytime I clap my hands a child dies of AIDS in Africa."

 

A guy in the audience yells, "So stop clapping yer hands ya fucking wanker!"

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Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:10 | 1598818 dwdollar
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"...he created new product categories"

No.

He renamed product categories, sometimes with just an "i".

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:23 | 1598934 Oh regional Indian
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Spot on dw. Jobs was a creation of the system, to keep the MS/APPLE dichotomy to keep people divided.

My 3rd wife of many years was a Macolyte, so I know of what I speak.

Vivek

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:12 | 1599266 Charlie J
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I used to read the comments on ZeroHedge and would find interesting discussions.  Not anymore.  Normally I don't read the comments at all, but a story including Steve Jobs interested me.

To say that Jobs did nothing but rename categories is simply ignorant.  I was a Mac software developer and publisher starting in 1984.  The Mac would not have happened without Steve Jobs' leadership.  You think the Mac was just a category that was renamed?  Jeesh, what a stupid statement.  The first time I saw the Mac I knew it was a game changer (which is why I mortgaged the house and started the company).

And to folks who think Apple is now doomed . . . are you kidding me?  First, Jobs only resigned from being CEO.  Do you think he might still influence things as CHAIRMAN?  Did Bill Gates still influence things as Chairman of Microsoft?  You bet he did.  Second, do you think Apple has nothing new in the pipeline?  And third, do you think I'm going to all of a sudden switch to Windows to run my Final Cut (oh wait, there's no Final Cut on Windows), or switch to an Android tablet from my iPad, which works seamlessly with my Mac?  In other words, there will still be buyers for Apple products.

Is there significance to the fact that Jobs is not CEO? Sure. But the corporate culture that Jobs established is there.  He's still there . . . for now.  Only after he's actually totally left the company would you have to watch to see if the board and top management can maintain that culture, or whether or not they are idiots and ruin the whole thing (always possible, but many years away as a scenario).

And now, back to the actual ZH articles, where I do find meaningful content.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:42 | 1599451 Are you kidding
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All Jobs did was to brilliantly get kids hooked on Apples products.  They gave them away freely to schools which meant that the early personal computer adopters "only knew" Apple.  The Atari ST based on the GEM desktop was ahead of the Mac.  Atari engineers went on to create the Amiga.  Both were ahead of the Mac.  Neither gave computers to schools.  It was the marketing that Jobs excelled in.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 22:39 | 1602663 Charlie J
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I understand what you are saying about the marketing being important, but it was not what made the Mac happen.  I was an attendee at the first Amiga developers conference, because right about that time, everyone was worried that the Mac might not survive and thrive and we took a look at it (the Amiga).  Then Apple came out with the LaserWriter and Paul Brainerd launched PageMaker, and desktop publishing was born, which revived the Mac.  Did the succcess of desktop publishing have anything to do with giving Macs to elementary school kids?  No.

The Amiga was, in some ways, technically superior hardware, as you claim, but mainly for gaming.  But it's all about the software.  Apple had key employees called Evangelists (the best known nowadays is Guy Kawasaki, who was my 'evangelist') who helped us developers in any way they could.  We had tremendous access to some key people, such as the folks in the User Interface group, who were absolutely brilliant.  Did that come from giving kids computers?  I think you probably see my point.

It's just not accurate to say Jobs was just brilliant at marketing.  In fact, I would argue the opposite.  When the Mac first came out, there was only the dot-matrix printer, the ImageWriter.  This is not what 'serious' folks wanted, we wanted letter-quality, as it was called back then.  What did Jobs say?  Who needs that, dot-matrix is good enough.  Also, there was no hard drive available, just one internal floppy drive.  Jobs said, that's all you need for this 'appliance' computer.  This was not brilliant marketing.  But the Mac overcame its shortcomings because it had the first (OK, first commercialized) graphical user interface.  Right at the time the Mac came out, I was just finishing a book on PC DOS 2.0.  I put some illustrations in it, and I did them on the Mac, in MacPaint.  This was groundbreaking stuff.

Jobs wasn't even at Apple when the Mac really got going.  I never met him.  And I would say again, it was not Apple's marketing that made everything happen, nor was it the Executive Team (I never talked to a single top executive - they did not interact with us software folks and lived in an ivory tower). It's always been the products.

And to the guy implying I'm some kind of Apple fanboi (I think that's the term), I've done a lot of business with Microsoft, too, and could tell you lots about the strengths of that company.  Would that make me a Windows fanboi?  And I'm about to buy an Android tablet, does that make me an Android fanboi?  You folks who think you are cool with off-the-cuff, flippant remarks like "somebody has a crush on Jobs" are just plain lame.  State some facts, make an argument, now that would be cool.  But, likely it is beyond you to actually do that.

Sat, 08/27/2011 - 10:35 | 1607209 Are you kidding
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All the "faults of the Mac" you describe are DESIGN flaws...not marketing flaws.  If you can get people to buy yout flawed hardware...you're a marketing genius.  Apple got lucky with the right thing (desk top publishing) at the right time.  But by the time of the Mac...the Apple IIs were already in the schools.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:43 | 1599453 thesapein
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somebody has a crush on the Job

He does have good taste. Buying all those patents, turning Chinese, black turtlenecks. Let's not forget the packaging. Oh, such beautifully sexy wrapping paper.

If it weren't for Jobs, we'd probably all being using open-source software, yuck! Oh, wait, isn't Apple's OS based on open source? Oops, couldn't buy that patent and put a stop to the madness.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:09 | 1598819 SheepDog-One
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Apple is toast. Apple cult = Steve Jobs...now just another gizmo company. People are in delusion if they say Jobs leaving is no big deal.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:21 | 1598919 Mactheknife
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The guy isn't dead yet. He is still chairman of the board. I'm quite certain that any bright ideas that he might have will be acted on.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:21 | 1598924 Oh regional Indian
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I think the "original Sin" in their logo is a huge tell. I said it here a long time ago (relatively speaking), but this Original Biblical Apple, the APPL apple and the Big Apple are inextricably inter-twined.

Something tells me it's going to be one hell of a smackdown come next week. Glad I'm just an observer in this game.

Vivek

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/precursor-03-bottom-falling-out-still-still-and-a-gander/

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:53 | 1599527 thesapein
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If you looks at Microsoft's logo, it looks like a blue planet with a great pyramid aimed at you.

The Xbox360 is just taking the x that marks the spot and rotating it into a pyramid or around a sphere.

Bill Gates, the gatekeeper...

But just because others are self-delusional, like Jobs and Gates, doesn't mean I have to also see them as demi-gods.

Does my picture make me the real deal?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:36 | 1599041 Don Birnam
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Cramer believes that Jobs leaving is "no big deal."

"In delusion ?"

Why, yes. That is James "J." Cramer in a nutshell.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:10 | 1598822 Version 7
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he didn't just create the best products, he created new product categories

Just keep making toys.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:10 | 1598825 Ausperity
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Without Bono is the only chance that I would go to a U2 concert!

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:22 | 1598927 MarketTruth
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Agreed, and his AID benefit where U2 concerts collected MANY MILLIONS of dollars/Euros yet only abut 2% actually went to help AIDs patience....  Bono is a scammer worse than Buffett, Geithner and the Bernak.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:28 | 1598978 Commander Cody
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Didn't Bono die after skiing into a tree?  Oh, and nobody scams better than the other three.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:07 | 1599235 Spastica Rex
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I got you, babe.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:43 | 1599458 ping
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He didn't die after skiing into a tree. One ski went left, the other right. There was a 'Kapwang!' sound, like an old steel guital.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:22 | 1598930 Gully Foyle
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Interestingly enough I just watched Killing Bono based on the book

Killing Bono: I Was Bono's Doppelganger by Neil McCormick

Ben Barnes and Robert Sheehan were wonderful.

But what I still don't understand is why Jack Nicholson introduced U2 at Live Aid.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 10:56 | 1599541 thesapein
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lol, many of us were going to say this, but you da first.

Using a softword, I HATE the Bono.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:11 | 1598833 ZeroPower
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Berkshire to invest $5bn into BAC

BAC is officially safe guys, load up the truck.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:12 | 1598839 TIMMAYYY
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BONO IS AN ASSHOLE

 

this steve jobs is nothing but a big marketing scheme. He doesnt know shit. welcome to the future apple.

you opened to the door and now we know how to handle ourselves. 

open source muther uckers. (i know thats how apple became big...but they have left the path and become dicks)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:15 | 1598842 HelluvaEngineer
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Did the Bernank just open his pie hole?  Futures shot up 10 points in a second.

 

Edit:  apparently Buffett opened his pie hole. Hilarity ensued.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:19 | 1598895 kahunabear
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He brought a cool factor to the products that will now be lost. In a way, he was the product.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:47 | 1599115 slaughterer
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I have no trouble seeing Jonathan Ives continuing to bring the "cool factor" to Apple design in the future. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:29 | 1598972 thunderchief
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U2 may have been fun in the 80's, but like many things, they suck today, with or without Bono and his Luis Vutton photo shoot in Africa.  What a joke these people are.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:54 | 1599150 oddjob
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U2 always sucked.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:30 | 1598994 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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People still go to see the Grateful Dead and Jerry has been gone a long time.

Tim Cook has been effectively running the company a long time.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:31 | 1599002 Jumbotron
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I think THE critical thing Apple has to deal with going forward is NOT to do what Apple did when John Scully took over and that was to kick out a known genius with an amazing product just because he was brash (prick).

The Mac was a skunkworks project by a team led by Jobs at a time when Sculliy's minions wanted to continue to milk the Apple II cow.  Jobs had the vision and the charisma and the great new product.  But Scully's ego got bruised and that was that.

If Apple is to survive in the future, they had better let that geeky, perhaps cheeky (asshole) genius somewhere in their basement have the opportunity to bring that next genius idea/device to light and to fight for it.

Otherwise, we may see a slow decline just like we did when Jobs was kicked out all those years ago.

Get well, Steve......Apple needs you.......Hell.....Microsoft REALLY needs you !  As we all know....Apple is the R&D department for Microsoft.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:50 | 1599128 slaughterer
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I do not think Jobs has a problem waiting for the next big thing and bringing it to light for Apple so long as he is alive.  That is precisely the point: Jobs is still alive and part of the Apple team.  The language of the media is like a funeral oration, as if Jobs were already dead.  Talk about front running someone's death...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:31 | 1599003 Forward History
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I'm sorry, I did see U2 in concert during the Elevation tour, and it was one of the best live shows I've ever seen. They are past their prime, but I still dig their music.

Sue me :)

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:38 | 1599034 spanish inquisition
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Could be the greatest reality show ever "NEW CEO", just like what some of the old has been bands (Edit: INXS) have done in a game show format. I would prefer a Hell's Kitchen approach with losers going against each other in a death match. Think we could get Max Keiser to MC?

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:52 | 1599136 slaughterer
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Remember when Van Halen brought in Sammy Hagar?  Worst moment of my adolescent life. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 12:02 | 1599896 I Got Worms
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C'mon, 5150 and OU812 are solid albums. And Dave's Eat Em and Smile and Skyscraper helped ease the transition to Van Hagar, so we still had our dave fix. Just traded Eddie for Steve Vai.

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:39 | 1599062 snowball777
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Bono didn't write the tunes. Jobs didn't design the products or write the software. There's every reason to believe that his departure will be a net benefit for the company and improve Apple's culture (and perhaps even convince some of the talent that the 'insanely great' one induced to leave to give Apple a second chance).

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 11:25 | 1599076 thunderchief
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You don't have to worry about the Chinese or Japanese, or Steve Jobs when it comes to Apple.  The South Koreans will take care of that.  Just like they destroyed Japan's Electronics industry with LG and Samsung, and are destroying the car industry with the best cars, KIA and Hyundai.  They will out do Apple with thr Galixy, and I am going to buy one.  Korea Rocks.  They're the new Japan. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:44 | 1599080 Mercury
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Would You Go To A U2 Concert Without Bono?

God yes.  Like Springsteen and Neil Diamond, Bono's over the top, all-the-time earnestness just rubs me the wrong way.  Get a black chick in there with a big set of pipes and I might give U2 another try...

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:45 | 1599102 thunderchief
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How about a U2 concert with no U2 members.  We'll call it U-Tubed..Every A-hole will come. 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:42 | 1599082 doomandbloom
Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:43 | 1599092 KTAISA
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i wouldn't go to a u2 concert with or without bono

 

he wears 5" lifts in his shoes cuz hes 4, 11

and he sucks at everything

 

 

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:49 | 1599097 Anonymouse
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I wouldn't go to a U2 concert with or without Bono.  Been bored with them since 1985.  "War" was pretty good, but they've been dull since then.

 

OTOH, I would buy a whole row of front row tickets to U2 before I would ever go to another Bruce Springsteen concert.  About 5 hours of non-stop fist pumping morons worshipping a leftist "singer" who is always flat.

 

<edit>  Just caught my little pun.  Totally unintentional.  I'm just naturally clever I guess.</edit>

<edit2>  Wow, same exact phrasing Ktaina.  And almost at the same time (though you were slightly quicker).  Cool.</edit2>

Thu, 08/25/2011 - 09:45 | 1599105 Barnaby
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cui bono

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