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Guest Post: You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet - Part Two

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet - Part Two

This is Part Two of a three part series trying to make sense of the Crisis period we entered in 2008. Click here to read: PART ONE

Catalyst of Change

“As late as December 1773, November 1859, and October 1929, the American people had no idea how close it was. Then sudden sparks (the Boston Tea Party, John Brown’s raid and execution, Black Tuesday) transformed the public mood, swiftly and permanently. Over the next two decades or so, society convulsed. Emergencies required massive sacrifices from a citizenry that responded by putting community ahead of self. Leaders led, and people trusted them. As a new social contract was created, people overcame challenges once thought to be insurmountable – and used the Crisis to elevate themselves and their nation to higher plane of civilization.”Strauss & Howe - The Fourth Turning

 

 

 

Anyone who hasn’t sensed a mood change in this country since the 2008 financial meltdown is either ignorant or in denial. Millions of Americans fall into one of these categories, but many people realize something has changed – and not for the better. The sense of pure financial panic that existed during September and October of 2008 had not been seen since the dark days of 1929. Our leaders used the initial terror and fear to ram through TARP and stimulus packages that rewarded the perpetrators of the financial collapse rather than helping the middle class who lost 8 million jobs, destroyed by Wall Street criminality. The stock market plunged by 57% from its 2007 high by March 2009. What has happened since September 2008 has set the stage for the next downward leg in this Crisis. The rich and powerful have pulled out all the stops and saved themselves at the expense of the many. Despite overwhelming proof of unabashed mortgage fraud, rating agency bribery, document forgery on a grand scale and insider trading based on non-public information, the brazen audacity of Wall Street oligarchs is reminiscent of the late stages of the Roman Empire.    

“Crime, once exposed, has no refuge but in audacity.”
? Tacitus, Annals 

The actions of the governing elite have provoked the darkening mood creeping across the land. The rise of the Tea Party in 2009 was fueled by anger over the bank bailouts, out of control federal spending and ever increasing taxes. The anger spilled over into town hall meetings, as Congressmen felt the wrath of public dissatisfaction. The fury propelled Tea Party Republicans to being elected in large numbers in 2010. But the movement was hijacked by the Republican establishment and defanged. As 2011 progressed, with Wall Street continuing to pillage the American middle class, the Occupy Movement spread to cities across America and around the world. The movement, led by Millenials, claims that mega-corporations and Wall Street manipulate the world in an unbalanced way that disproportionately benefits a super wealthy minority and is undermining democracy. They have shone a light upon the fact the 1% has used their wealth and power to plunder the national treasury, while impoverishing the 99%. The audacity of the 1% was on display for all to see when former Goldman Sachs CEO and former U.S. Senator Jon Corzine absconded with $1.2 billion of his customers’ money and continues to hide it in the vaults of his fellow robber baron Jamie Dimon at J.P. Morgan. To this day, no one has been jailed for this heist or any of the thousands of other crimes committed by the Wall Street titans. These psychopaths will not be satisfied until nothing remains of our country but a barren desert.

“They have plundered the world, stripping naked the land in their hunger… they are driven by greed, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor… They ravage, they slaughter, they seize by false pretenses, and all of this they hail as the construction of empire. And when in their wake nothing remains but a desert, they call that peace.”Tacitus, The Agricola and the Germania 

A few weeks ago I watched The Grapes of Wrath movie for the first time in many years. The novel was written by John Steinbeck during the last Fourth Turning. It is as powerful today as it was in the 1941. It perfectly captures the mood of the country during the Great Depression. The message of the working class being exploited and manipulated by wealthy landowners resounds today. The Joads only sought an opportunity for a job, their own land, simple human dignity, and the chance for a better future. Wall Street has replaced the wealthy landowners as the exploiters of the working class. Steinbeck saw the Federal Government as a solution during the 1930s, but they are a major part of the problem today, as politicians have been captured by corporate and special interests. Their solutions do not benefit the average middle class American.

 

The feelings about our government and political system is reflected in Suzanne Collins’ Hunger Games novel, which captures the vein of government brutality, oppression of the working class, excessive wealth inequality, and the vapid shallowness of our American Idol culture. The Hunger Games was written in 2008 and the movie version has become a worldwide sensation. The immense divide between the wealthy ruling class, living an obscenely decadent lifestyle, and the exploited working class on the verge of starvation, is portrayed in a cruelly sadistic manner. The fact that it is appealing to Millenials and all generations says much about the changing of attitudes in the last four years. Hunger Games will be viewed as the modern day Grapes of Wrath by future generations.         

There is no denying the darkening disposition of the country, except by those whose job it is to deny the reality of our deteriorating situation. Those whose power and wealth are dependent upon a citizenry being kept in the dark and convinced the way out of this mess is to resume spending borrowed money, have pulled out all the stops since the initial catalyst for this Fourth Turning struck with its full fury in 2008. The frantic efforts by those in power to prop up the status quo were predictable. If our leaders had dealt with the initial crisis in a realistic manner, many wealthy powerful men would have gone broke. They have been able to temporarily fend off a full-fledged catastrophe as predicted by Strauss & Howe:

“At home and abroad, these events will reflect the tearing of the civic fabric at points of extreme vulnerability – problem areas where, during the Unraveling, America will have neglected, denied, or delayed needed action. Anger at “mistakes we made” will translate into calls for action, regardless of the heightened public risk. It is unlikely that the catalyst will worsen into a full-fledged catastrophe, since the nation will probably find a way to avert the initial danger and stabilize the situation for a while. Yet even if dire consequences are temporarily averted, America will have entered the Fourth Turning.”

But they have solved nothing. In fact, they have exacerbated the problem areas of debt, civic decay and global disorder with their “solutions”. Our leaders have added $5.6 trillion to the National Debt; the Federal Reserve tripled their balance sheet by taking on $2 trillion of Wall Street toxic debt; the Federal Government assumed trillions in new debt by taking over Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Sallie Mae; and real GDP went up by a mere $103 billion (.8%) between the 4th quarter of 2007 and the 4th quarter of 2011. Rescuing the 99% was never the focus of their solutions. It was to save the bankers and wealthy investors (1%) who took the world destroying risks and should have borne the losses of their risk taking. The oligarchs have been wildly successful in this effort. The stock market has doubled from its lows. Borrowing at 0% from the Federal Reserve has done wonders for banker bonuses.   Global disorder increases by the day, as politicians and bankers force austerity on their citizens, while continuing to harvest billions in profits and bonuses still waging wars of choice, further enriching the peddlers of debt and the peddlers of death (military industrial complex).

  

The Great Depression lasted from 1929 until 1940. The GDP of the country actually grew by 80% between 1933 and 1940. The stock market soared by 100% from the 1932 low to its 1933 high. It then soared another 100% from 1934 through 1937. Despite these fabulous economic statistics and investment riches scooped up by the 2.5% of the population that owned stocks, they still call this time period the Great Depression. With unemployment ranging from 15% to 25% during this entire time frame, the common man suffered greatly. There was no recovery for the 99%.

The net worth of the 99% is highly dependent on the value of their homes and their ability to increase their annual wages. Home prices have fallen 34% from their peak and continue to fall, recently reaching 2002 levels. Real median weekly earnings are lower than they were in 2003 and have fallen 3% since the economy supposedly entered its recovery in December 2009. Gas prices have doubled since early 2009. The 1% rejoices as they treat oil as an investment in their diversified portfolio. The 99% suffer as the average household is spending $2,500 per year more to fill up their vehicles. Food prices are up 15% to 25% in the last three years, even using the manifestly manipulated BLS figures.

It is essential for those in power to utilize their mainstream media propaganda machines, massaging of economic information and Ben Bernanke’s printing press to give the appearance of recovery to the masses. In the last three months the hyperbole and extreme spin from the corporate mainstream media has become exceedingly robust. It smells of desperation. Even as the media touts a recovery and Obama peddles drivel about millions of new jobs, Bernanke keeps the throttle of quantitative easing and zero interest rates wide open. Their actions are not consistent with their rhetoric. People who had jobs as accountants making $55,000 per year in 2007 are now stocking fertilizer in the garden center at Lowes making $20,000, with no benefits. This is the face of the jobs recovery. Only a corporate media doing the bidding of their masters could possibly rejoice at the February data showing consumers spending at a rate 450% higher than their income gains as a sign of recovery. There is a concerted effort to revive the auto market by the Federal Government (Ally Financial) and the Wall Street banks by employing exceptionally loose credit standards for auto loans and leases that are reminiscent of the subprime mortgage debacle. I’m sure it will turn out better this time. The downward spiral of trust is accelerating as predicted by Strauss & Howe:

As the Crisis catalyzes, these fears will rush to the surface, jagged and exposed. Distrustful of some things, individuals will feel that their survival requires them to distrust more things. This behavior could cascade into a sudden downward spiral, an implosion of societal trust.”

The downward spiral of societal trust is well founded. The monied interests have captured the political process. The regulated have captured the regulators. Wall Street has always controlled the Federal Reserve. Corporations and the wealthiest among us select the politicians that will best serve their interests. The governing elite of psychopathic bankers, corrupt politicians, and powerful mega-corporations create crises, then save us from the crises they created, while accumulating more control, wealth and power. This perpetual swindle has been going on for decades and has reached its zenith as it did during the last Fourth Turning. Income inequality has reached the extreme levels last seen in the 1930s. The capitalism storyline has grown old and tired. Complete systematic capture is the reason for those at the top reaping all the benefits of our dysfunctional economic system.

The rampant mortgage fraud, the robo-signing crimes, trillions of shadowy derivatives, unfunded government pensions, unfunded Medicare and Social Security promises, and the bald-faced looting of customer accounts at MF Global have brought about a realization among those capable of critical thought that this Crisis is growing worse by the day. Strauss & Howe clearly understood the factors that would lead to this deficit of trust:

“But as the Crisis mood congeals, people will come to the jarring realization that they have grown helplessly dependent on a teetering edifice of anonymous transactions and paper guarantees. Many Americans won’t know where their savings are, who their employer is, what their pension is, or how their government works. The era will have left the financial world arbitraged and tentacled: Debtors won’t know who holds their notes, homeowners who owns their mortgages, and shareholders who runs their equities – and vice versa.”

Here we stand, three and a half years since the catalyst of this Crisis. What event or events will produce the regeneracy stage of this Fourth Turning and when can we expect its arrival? I’ll try to make some educated guesses in Part Three of this series.

Click here to read: PART ONE

 

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Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:05 | 2313008 Gene Parmesan
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We need a better image or logo for 2008-and-beyond than GLOCAL MELTDOWN.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:19 | 2313064 SheepDog-One
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I was wondering WTF to that too.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:22 | 2313080 boogerbently
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Does Tyler believe in the "Mayan Calendar" doomsday scenario, also?

....a bit excessive, I think.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:43 | 2313166 AccreditedEYE
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Not really... if you talk to your average small business owner in the US, they will tell you nothing has improved. Most are still hanging on by a thread. If Ben gets his way and inflation soars they will be toasted.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:36 | 2313647 Fukushima Sam
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Read The Fourth Turning, dude.  It is an amazing read and very prescient.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 18:54 | 2314886 HarryHaller
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Call it excessive if you want, but you ignore it at your own peril.  It has nothing to do with galactic alignments or invisible rougue planets.  It's an interpretation of history based on generational dynamics, and Strauss & Howe run the gamut of western civilization to support their theory.  Major crises take a long time to play out (Strauss and Howe argue about an entire generation) - with a lot of changes - and a lot of sacrifices (including the ultimate) are made by the people involved along the way.  This book grows more prescient and pertinent day by day.  If it helps you understand how you fit in to this crisis, and suffer only hardship instead of outright calamity, it could be one of the most valuable books you'll ever read.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:24 | 2313088 Jim Quinn
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Me too

WTF

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:53 | 2313434 DavidPierre
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E.B. QUINN

vs. TPTB ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=BD0GeFaNF50&NR=1

Spouting economic gibberish...

Fawning before establishment power...

Awkwardly falling all over himself...

E.B. will accept their price...

Rather than admit the Truth.

Just another COCKSUCKER in DEADWOOD!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:14 | 2313545 Jim Quinn
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David Pierre

Maybe you can ask a 3rd grader to try and explain the article to you.

 

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:36 | 2313943 DavidPierre
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We’re Not in Kansas Anymore SmokeyQuinn

"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, it is now possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without them knowing it."

The proliferation of the 9/11 Big Lie has been spread by you and other mouthpieces in the corporate media. The purpose is to convince the ignorant masses. The Boomer propaganda being spouted by those who depend upon 'divide and conquer' politics shows your ameriKlan ignorance is relentless. Nothing could be further from the truth. The USSA has experienced abnormal psychotic blogging by the citizens of your Fascist country, aiding and abetting in the Offal-cial 9/11 cover-up.

Tell us something we don't already know. Enough with the charts and graphs and regurgitated stories of economic Doom.

 

Occam's Razor

... Bitch!

Lex Parsimoniae !

 

Till then... Your Ignorance is Your Strength

9/11 Is the LitmusTest

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVY-iQDO8pg

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:35 | 2314269 Jim Quinn
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Mental illness is a tragedy.

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 00:50 | 2315485 Tompooz
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"Mental illness is a tragedy."

Mad  means angry here. Are you saying that anger is madness?

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 03:25 | 2315591 Hugh G Rection
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mental illness, means using critical thinking skills to come up with logical conclusions.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 17:47 | 2314692 FreeNewEnergy
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I don't know why DavidPierre (aka the Golden Jackass, Jim Wilie CB - some of us are aware) always gets his knickers twisted whenever Jim Quinn pens an article. Quinn isn't always correct, but this article is well-founded, and, I might add, DP probably agrees with much of it.

Must be some long ago feud that's never been settled. Too bad, because both of you guys are pretty much on the same page.

Eh, who knows, but I find DP's comments to be unjustified.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 19:51 | 2315020 Hugh G Rection
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I had similar questions when I happened upon one of their feuds.  Ask DP to post some of Quinn's comments regarding the 9/11 truth movement.

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 02:00 | 2315528 Bringin It
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FreeNE - I don't know why DavidPierre (aka the Golden Jackass, Jim Wilie CB - some of us are aware) always gets his knickers twisted whenever Jim Quinn pens an article. 

It's right here from a few posts above.

9/11 Is the LitmusTest

J Quinn fails the test ... miserably.

If DavidPierre really is Jim Willie then even more respect.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:33 | 2313134 Hugh G Rection
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Jim Quinn-

 

Is your head still up your ass about 9/11?  Still hold us 'twoofers' in contempt?  If you really care about regular people, tell the truth about the 3,000 Americans cooked/exploded on national tv,  the fraudulent war on terror, and the assault on our civil liberties.

 

"What we need to stand up and say is not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at it's headquarters, Marine Corps and I made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period." -
Dr. Alan Sabrosky, March 14, 2010 - listen to podcast

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:40 | 2313153 Jim Quinn
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David Pierre appears under one of his other aliases.

Do you log in under your 14 aliases and give yourself thumbs up for your cut and paste drivel?

You won the ZH Troll of the Year award in a landslide in 2011.

I see another victory for you in 2012.

Is there any subject matter that you can't tie to 9/11?

 

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:05 | 2313231 walküre
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Leave him alone, Quinn.

9/11 was a BIG FUCKING LIE. Why forget it? Why pretend your government loves and cares about you when the opposite is true?

Your government KILLS YOU and OTHERS around the world. They will go to any extent in order to preserve their precious status quo which DOES NOT BENEFIT YOU!

Get it in your head. 9/11 is a huge issue. Just yesterday this was debated and in my estimation on this board the supporters of the official LIE are outnumbered 4 to 1.

MIN. 75% of ZEROHEDGE readers and posters REFUSE to accept the official propaganda describing the events surrounding 9/11

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:03 | 2313489 whstlblwr
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Quinn's post right on target. Know how to tell when you touch the status quo's big nerve, is when you get these trash comments.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:09 | 2313519 NotApplicable
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Quinn's post is simply a bunch of name-calling. May be properly targeted, but that doesn't mean it isn't as worthless as any other personal attack.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:03 | 2313765 whstlblwr
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WTF are you guys talking about? I'm reading the above post about fourth turning, corrupt government and corporate whores.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:16 | 2313551 Robot Traders Mom
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I like how your screen name is Whistleblower, yet you seem to agree with Quinn and the government's account of 9/11.

 

Makes perfect sense...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:07 | 2313771 whstlblwr
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I don't agree with government account of 9/11, I'm sure it was false flag, but definitely it was NOT Mossad. If I were to guess who is behind it, I'd say it's who Huge Erection works for.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:31 | 2313930 Hugh G Rection
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BINGO!

Whistleblower nailed it!  It was a cabal of unemployed young men, planning controlled demolition of 3 skyscrapers in between sessions of video games, bong hits, and firing out knuckle children to internet porn...  on 9/11 I was still in college chasing tail, and ditching class to get wasted and play GTA.

 

In case you really want to know who and why...

http://www.911missinglinks.com/watch-movie/

 

Last time I checked I don't work for Rabbi Dov Zakheim, Bibi Nutsandyahoo, or any of the asshat neocons in PNAC.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:21 | 2313574 Hugh G Rection
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Ya, because defending the offical lie of 9/11 is really challenging the status quo.... idiot

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:15 | 2313278 Robot Traders Mom
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@Jim-I think most of us on here agree with him. We can't move forward until the truth of what happened on 9/11, is exposed.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:27 | 2313323 Hugh G Rection
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Amen Gents.

 

Quinn has no place on ZH until he tells the truth about the most horrific event in our lifetimes.  Perhaps he would be more comfortable wearing kneepads in Rupert Murdoch's office, cheerleading Zionist war crimes, and the Israeli subversion of this once greatest Republic.

 

Israelis were arrested on 9/11 -trying to blow up the GW Bridge -celebrating the attacks and admitting preknowledge -blowing up another van on King St. between 6th and 7th

 

mural van exploded (NYPD transmission) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4

'Dancing Israelis' arrested in NJ (FBI doc) http://www.scribd.com/doc/62392807/Dancing-Israelis-FBI-document-Section...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:31 | 2313337 Teamtc321
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Cold Case Posse: Evidence of Fraud and Forgery 

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2012/04/01/cold-case-posse-evidence-of-fraud-and-forgery/

 

http://www.westernfreepress.com/2012/04/01/sheriff-joe-arpaio-and-mike-zullo-present-interim-investigation-results-barack-obamas-birth-certificate-and-selective-service-documents/

Time-Line Index to Mike Zullo Video (above)

0:00:00  Introduction — brief tribute to Sheriff Arpaio, America’s Sheriff
0:01:20  The original goal was to clear the President
0:01:40  There really is no “document” per se — it’s a data file

0:07:30  What we found in the White-House-provided data file – Video 1
0:12:00  Zullo’s summary of Video 1 — the anomalies
0:13:30  Debunking the “other side’s” explanations, one-by-one
0:14:30  The optical character recognition (OCR) explanation
0:18:20  The optimization explanation

0:24:00  Summary of anomalies to this point
0:24:50  The green safety paper background — more tracks left by the forger?

0:27:00  Conclusions Video
0:32:45  Zullo’s comments on the conclusions

0:34:00  Zullo will not quit until this is finished
0:36:00  New information presented – “typewriter/typesetting evidence”
0:37:00  Document word spacing, line spacing, registrar’s stamp, inter-line font shifts
0:40:00  We are on the hunt for who did this, and we have some pretty good ideas

0:40:50  Video on the supposedly genuine Selective Service card, media avoiding the issue
0:45:20  Why Obama might not have registered with Selective Service
0:48:00  Why a Selective Service card forgery is more significant than the birth certificate

0:49:40  Bill O’Reilly & Sheriff Arpaio — the newspaper clippings
0:52:30  Passenger manifests and INS records — the curiously missing records
0:55:45  The sheriff’s letter to the Director of Selective Service
0:56:50  More suspicious features of the Selective Service card
0:58:25  The investigation is going international

1:00:00  Audience Questions & Answers Begin

 

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:18 | 2313560 lasvegaspersona
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Team

This video will convince all who watch it that the file presented by Obama is a forgery. It has dragged me (quite unwillingly, after all who wants to be labeled a 'birther') and will drag all honest people into the the birther camp. At the very least it asks "why was a forgery presented?" Once one realizes that the President has done this, then all manner of things that were once considered 'crazy talk' become LIKELY. Our country is truely in a very dangerous place.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:20 | 2314196 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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I can't believe people waste our time and attention with this birther shit. As if that's the source of our problems. As far as I can tell, McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone anyway making him ineligible too. But so long as people spend time and energy on this we are doomed. Look I think Obama is a fraud too but can we stick to some real issues like war and political corruption and banker fascism and media complicity?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 18:00 | 2314693 cranky-old-geezer
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I can't believe people waste our time and attention with this birther shit.

I agree, the Constitution doesn't matter anymore.

Look I think Obama is a fraud too but can we stick to some real issues like war and political corruption and banker fascism and media complicity?

Since the Constitution doesn't matter anymore the federal government can do anything they want, no limits.

So Obama isn't a fraud, he's the duly elected president, you must honor that office and the man in it, and all this stuff you mention is quite legal, no problem with any of it.

If you say this part of the Constitution doesn't matter or that part of the Constitution doesn't matter, then none of it matters. 

It's all or nothing.

They aren't "birthers" dumbass, they're people who want to see the Constitution followed

...which you apparently care nothing about.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 17:56 | 2314716 FreeNewEnergy
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You're right about the birth certificate issue. It's just more political porn, designed to keep people from focusing on real issues, like how fucked up our federal government is regardless of who sits in the White House.

Like this certain-to-be-rigged face-off between Romney and Oblahblah actually matters. They're both cut from the same cloth and get their money from the same bankers and special interests.

Fuck the noise. The biggest problem facing this country right now is government at all levels. We'd be far better off if we had no government at all.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:36 | 2313360 Hugh G Rection
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Guess who was head of the Justice Dept during 9/11, and made sure all Israelis were released?

<------------------------ Dual US/Israel citizen Michael Chertoff!

 

Guess which congresswoman made sure the investigation into Mossad front company Urban Moving Systems was shitcanned?  Dual US/Israel citizen Jane Harman! The good congresslady was later forced to resign after getting caught on tape making deals with an Israeli spy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL_GdsHvkJ0

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:23 | 2313580 lasvegaspersona
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Hugh what is the proof these folks have dual citizenship?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:51 | 2313713 Hugh G Rection
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Their Israeli passports...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:16 | 2313555 Jim Quinn
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David Pierre

The sheep are getting lonely.

Stop forgetting to take your lithium.

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:26 | 2313587 NotApplicable
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You know, regardless of the legitimacy of your position, these kind of posts do nothing but undermine your credibility.

http://2.asset.soup.io/asset/1643/0450_65fe.jpeg

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:41 | 2314293 Jim Quinn
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Like I give a flying fuck about some internet troll's opinion about my credibility. LMFAO

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 16:02 | 2314395 Hugh G Rection
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I think it's pretty clear what you give a fuck about Smoke, and it ain't the truth.  

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 18:00 | 2314735 FreeNewEnergy
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Quinn, you've managed to sully your already shaky reputation. Anyone who comments or responds to comments on an article they've written should have his/her head punched in.

You are the second article author this week that gets the asshat moniker.

Just to be clear: You are an Asshat.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 19:04 | 2314910 Jim Quinn
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You are the first douchebag I've told to go fuck himself today.

Congratulations.

I love when anonymous internet trolls ponder my reputation. LMFAO

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:27 | 2313590 oddjob
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weak.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:52 | 2313718 Hugh G Rection
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(_(_)=====D-- - - - ---

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 17:06 | 2314599 Jim Quinn
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If you want to get the truth about 9/11 out then write your own fucking article about it.

Instead you hijack every article posted with your tirades.

Why don't you post 45 links that no on will click because they know you're the craziest motherfucker on earth.

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 18:54 | 2314887 Hugh G Rection
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great idea...

 

I look forward to you tearing apart my claims with references to beasteality, sexually transmitted disease, and whatever other juvenile tactics you rely on.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 19:06 | 2314913 Jim Quinn
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We're all waiting for your 9/11 article that will reveal the truth. Too bad you can't write a complete understandable sentence.

I'm sure Tyler will post your earth shattering expose. LMAO

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 19:45 | 2315008 Hugh G Rection
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Nothing really earth shattering, it's all out there for people to see.  Despite living in the information age, many seem too lazy or intellectually dishonest to find the truth. 

What's your excuse?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 20:41 | 2315124 Jim Quinn
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I'm waiting for your article David Pierre. Your wisdom is profound. Are you wearing your Building 7 tee shirt?

Have you told your ZH friends how you fled the U.S. in terror during the Vietnam war and have hated the country ever since from your cabin in the backwoods of Canada?

It certainly isn't crazy for someone to post under multiple names and actually agree with yourself under different aliases.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 23:26 | 2315371 Hugh G Rection
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My old man was serving in Vietnam at that time.  He was in the 23rd Americal Division with the Army, and got to see the aftermath of the My Lai Massacre firsthand. We have talked to great extent about the Tonkin incident, and the false flag attack on 9/11. 

 

I still live in the States, but don't look down on DP, if he 'fled' as you say.  I love my country, which is why the criminal subversion by a cabal of psychopaths is so upsetting to me.  I hope you are just in denial as a psychological defense mechanism.  If you know the truth but feign ingorance for monetary reasons...then you are among the sickest parasites on this earth.

 

If you don't believe this is my 1 and only account, that's your problem.

 

 

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 02:31 | 2315552 Hugh G Rection
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Since nobody else at this point is reading the comments Jim, let me be frank.  I voted for Bush twice.  I was a Reagan disciple, Israel supporting, far right zionist neocon.  When I saw Jane Standley document the collapse of a building standing behind her (wtc7), I tried my best to find evidence to debunk it.  People like Charlie Sheen and Rosie O made me sick.  I dismissed their claims because they're America hating liberals.  I came from as far right as possible Jim.  I once almost went fist city with an Arab in college because I told a marine in a bar I would give him $20 for every bloody turbin he brought back...not proud of who I was, just trying to paint a picture.

 

Not to say the left is where the truth is...  What we are presented with today is a false paradigm.  This isn't a shadowy religous belief that can't be documented or proven, my transformation is based entirely on fact.  At this point I KNOW the who and why.  My intuition tells me you know as well.  I implore you smoke, wake up and join the good guys.  We will welcome you with open arms.  All the dual citizen traitors and Israel can't be saved.  Their fate has been sealed since the Lavon Affair and the USS Liberty. The dual citizen sayanim will have it the worst.  Dr. Sabrosky isn't blowing hot air.  Think long and hard about your 'career' decisions. 

Truth Smokey, it's bulletproof.

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 02:59 | 2315575 Hugh G Rection
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Among my friends are a Navy Seal, a Ranger Sniper, 2 decorated Marines, and a fighter pilot still serving on the USS Lincoln.

 

While not all are outspoken, we all know the truth.  Don't find yourself in the Hague with the likes of zionist asshats like Hannity and O'Reilly.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:06 | 2313505 NotApplicable
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Funny how the idea of truth has been denigrated by the MSM and its hordes of attack monkeys.

I have to agree, the lie of 9/11 changed everything. Until that lie is unwound, along with all of the others perpetrated by TPTB prior, we can never move forward, but only "move on" another step closer to the cliff.

If someone cannot understand the difference between the collective known as "the government," and the individuals operating within it, all of who work in their own best interest, (and none of whom we know what that truly is), then there is no point in listening to them present their fantasies on how it's all falling apart.

Someday though, even Jim might come to his senses and allow the inescapable logic of 9/11 to make it past his mental defenses. Or he might continue to wander around semi-coherent, without ever daring to figure out how the pieces all fit.

As always, it's a process of deconstructing the lies of the self. Most people simply aren't that mature, as it's been schooled out of them.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 18:04 | 2314747 FreeNewEnergy
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I beg to differ. 9/11 just expanded upon the shit started when Kennedy was assassinated. Let's start with some truth about that incident, and the lie of 9/11 will fall right into place.

Seems pretty clear - to me, at least - that we've been going downhill as a nation since 1963, and it really kinda sucks.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 18:15 | 2314776 Hugh G Rection
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Don't forget RFK, funny how he was killed by a lone "Palestinian" gunman.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:52 | 2314040 CH1
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We can't move forward until the truth of what happened on 9/11, is exposed.

WRONG.

You're not waiting for the system to move before you can move, are you? Are you hoping that "the people will change the system once they know the truth"? Forget it!

The truth of 911, whatever that is, will NOT create magic.

Dump the system, abandon the status quo. Move on and leave them behind. Don't wait for them, ever!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:29 | 2313332 DavidPierre
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The Fourth Turning
 
Shallow catholic rhetoric... more aptly named The 4th Turd ... faith-based tripe ... "bring back tradition!" it screams... a true believer's rote catechism.

The 4th Turd is prescriptive, traditionalist, 'virtue-cratic', mombo-jombo, mixed with puritanism and a dash of Tipper Gore. Bring back values like honour and duty, observe decency in personal conduct, discipline, develop tighter societal standards, traditional virtues.

When it's not talking about early historical eras, the book is bemoaning the ever-branching diversity of choices and lifestyles in modern life or criticizing the edginess of pop culture.

All the absurd theory about supposed cycles of the supposed generations, the fabled historical parallels, the dire warning that a new era of crisis is to come, is just an excuse to tell readers to prepare for a crisis era that may or may not be coming by celebrating the importance of authority; cease unconventional behaviour in an era that will demand conformity, and settling down to focus on prescribed values. A hollow diatribe, pushing to get back to trust in public institutions and in the government... more restrictions on personal behaviour.

Advice to set up strict regimes of rules, zero tolerance of conflicting opinions, demands on conduct and development to make sure that children can grow up to be the next 'HERO' generation, as they are corraled as fodder for the eternal crusades... a heavily conservative bent sticking out like a sore thumb, no doubt reflecting some of the attitudes and wishes of the infamous liar, SmokeyQuinn.

The theory about "generations" and "turnings", the quotes and events of early historical generations are only fished out of the shallow AmeriKlan Sea, and, more importantly, ignore the rest of the world... only to find a few lame examples that will make the generations seem to fit into the imaginary pattern.

Worse yet, the portraits painted of the four recurring generational archetypes in the whannabee theory, the predications are incredibly vague and sound like weakly created parodies.
Of course many theories will run into a FEW problems like this, but The 4th Turd is whipped up to sound just convincing enough to sell an authoritarian ideology.

Though there is some element of truth in The 4th Turd, certainly mankind's recorded experiences have been one of cyclical ebb and flow, one cannot make anywhere near the many pat characterizations and conclusive and farfetched leaps of simple reason and logic.

If intended as a work of propaganda, the book is perfect, for all good propaganda contains enough of an element of probable truth to be plausible.

Most everything in this book is arranged and written with the assumption that the thesis is essentially correct, a mode which is overreaching, suspect, and at best sloppy.

The wholesale grading & categorization of people is facile, diminishing, and overly fatalistic.

The book is an oligarchic collectivist's wet dream. The warning is that we are but mindless automatons, locked in an endless and stupid cycle of mass destruction, following our collectivist predestination, but that we might fail and then woe is to us. A stock false choice if there ever was one.

Either these guys were commissioned to write this stuff, or they have a more than adequate knack for figuring out which way the ill wind is blowing and sucking up to the NWO Elites for fun and profit.

Where in The 4th Turd is the experience of Korea, Viet Nam, the Cold War, all the endless wars, Globalism, consumer society, etc. etc.?

The TRUTH of September 11, 2001, when dealt with openly and properly, will be the pivot to the next TURNING.

Truth might finally emerge in the semi-consciousness of people like SmokeyQuinn? ......................................................................................... Best take that ameriKlan ring out of your nose!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:19 | 2313561 Jim Quinn
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Sorry to here about your terminal case of syphilis.

I understand it really fucks up the brain.

Glad to see it hasn't affected you yet.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:28 | 2313594 NotApplicable
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Oh wow, you just went full retard.

You should really consider logging off for a while.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:43 | 2313676 Jim Quinn
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You nutjobs and your 9/11 club that spams every article aren't full retard?

Look in the mirror dude. You people need help.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:21 | 2313876 Hugh G Rection
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Speaking of needing help, a word from the mental health community..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trfCyvLAQd8

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:23 | 2313882 illyia
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You know, Jim, I want just going to print this excellent article and hand it around as there are still many in denial. But all this board war stuff just makes me want to move on to other things. First I want to say this:

Arguments over who was responsible for 9-11 just wear me out. I've done my own research and am satisfied with the conclusions I've come to. I don't think I'll change minds by flogging the issue so I do not flog the issue. My personal conclusions are another topic altogether.

If people can't use their own critical thinking skills to figure things out and live with the results, then we will only find he true line of factual scheming by investigation. And, open investigation with transparent reporting is unlikely until this "fourth turning" is well underway.

So chill out board warriors. You just make noise. The people who want to know will use their own brains and research to find our what they want to know. Everyone else will behave badly or you will never hear from them. Enough is enough board wars.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:47 | 2314014 Hugh G Rection
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.... I've done my own research and come to my own conclusions. Let's stop talking about it.

 

Who cares that a Zionist from the NY Port Authority was responsible for privatizing the WTC complex 3 months before the attacks.  That he made sure Zionists Larry Silverstein, Frank Lowy and their partners could secure a 99yr lease on the asbestos laden white elephants.  Who cares that Silverstein doubled down on his terrorism insurance, restructured the policy to pay out cash with special rebuilding rights.  Who cares that he turned a $14 mil investment into a $5 billion payout (with pending lawsuits against AA and United Airlines).  Who cares that Silverstein and his two kids missed work that day.

 

Who cares about the Clean Break Doc, PNAC, Rebuilding America's Defenses, Zakheim and Wolfowitz's voicing of a need for a "New Pearl Harbor".  Who cares that Zionist Kroll Associates had the contract to run security at the WTC, or that airport security was under the control of Israeli company ICTS.  Who cares about Odigo instant messaging, and the 2 hr warning given to Israelis working in NY.

 

Who cares about the massive shorting of airline stock leading up to 9/11, the SEC investigation was dropped, get over it.

 

Yup, don't worry about any of this... right illyia?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 21:55 | 2315219 illyia
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I was "worried about it" ten years ago. And, I have the collected research to prove it. I am not indifferent to the Israeli connection, the art students, the FAA timeline and disappearing tapes the entire mess. I could go on for weeks.

I just do not think ranting endlessly about a subject inspires anything. Those who have ears have already heard. Those who don't are deaf.

The more productive direction I guess is to form connections between people who also understand the history and ramifications. Revisionist history is a propagandista's aim and those who have the docs and friends with docs need to know each other - while keeping a low profile. There will be need of them... Low Profile.

Just ask Smedley Butler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

Please note my careful use of the word Propaganda.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 23:35 | 2315384 Hugh G Rection
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fair enough.

 

If you chose to keep a 'low profile' that's your right.  Just don't let your silence be mistaken for consent.

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 02:11 | 2315539 Bringin It
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Hugh G - Nice work on this thread.  Thanks.

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 03:09 | 2315584 Hugh G Rection
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Well fucking A.  A quite unexpected tip of the hat.  Thank you brother.

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 13:43 | 2315592 Hugh G Rection
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Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:56 | 2314053 CH1
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tell readers to prepare for a crisis era that may or may not be coming by celebrating the importance of authority; cease unconventional behaviour in an era that will demand conformity, and settling down to focus on prescribed values. A hollow diatribe, pushing to get back to trust in public institutions and in the government... more restrictions on personal behaviour.

YES. This is the big problem with 4th Turning.

It's an interesting book, but utterly flawed in its statist, collectivist philosophy.

The state is death. Collectives are death.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:06 | 2314093 DavidPierre
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THE 4th TURD

"Mumbo jumbo, big words, more mumbo jumbo"—–Strauss and Howe.

"Saeculum, yadda, yadda, spirit of America, yadda, yadda, Golden Age,"—Strauss and Howe.

"Ekpyrosis, mumbo jumbo, Apocalypse, yadda, yadda, more big words"—Strauss and Howe.

……………………………………………............................................................

This ever repeating, Moronic, 4th Turd theme by SmokeyQuinn, (the self confessed 9/11Moron), is a rancid stew mix consisting of one part shallow historical riffing, one part voodoo astrology, and one part interesting correlation of questionable data patterns from scrubbed, tainted, and distorted ameriKlan history.

The combined effect is little more than a condescending attempt at palm reading for the ignorant masses.

Some of the generalized predictions were on target, easy to do with a scatter gun, but ultimately the suggestions as to how to deal with the looming catastrophe has everyone being good little docile, unquestioning citizens.

It's very sad that people take this intellectual tripe seriously.

................................................................................................

William Strauss e-mails Neil Howe after the first draft:

"Do you think we can find a publisher stupid enough to fall for this ? "

Neil responds, "You aren’t serious about trying to get someone to actually believe this shit?"

William fires back, "And why not…? "

Neil counters, "Because it is shit, that’s why."

William stands firm, "That has nothing to do with it. You know it’s shit and I know it’s shit, but there are many editors that won’t know it’s shit and millions of potential readers are foolish enough to buy it if it’s published."

Neil finally caves, "Well, it never occurred to me to try to get something this utterly vapid published. We both know that we made the shit up as we went along. But, hey, if you think it will fly, if you think people are this gullible, then count me in."

"Earth to Neil… They published "Dow 36,000? a few years ago and look how many fools bought it… and Speaker Pelosi’s seminal work on government.

Trust me… we’ll both be up for Pulitzers by the time this thing runs its course."

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 16:16 | 2314457 Dickweed Wang
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What a DickHead . . . .

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:31 | 2313927 Head_Shots_Work
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How about just people in chains locked to their factory desks like at Foxconn?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:34 | 2313138 Gully Foyle
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"The feelings about our government and political system is reflected in Suzanne Collins’ Hunger Games novel, which captures the vein of government brutality, oppression of the working class, excessive wealth inequality, and the vapid shallowness of our American Idol culture. The Hunger Games was written in 2008 and the movie version has become a worldwide sensation. The immense divide between the wealthy ruling class, living an obscenely decadent lifestyle, and the exploited working class on the verge of starvation, is portrayed in a cruelly sadistic manner. The fact that it is appealing to Millenials and all generations says much about the changing of attitudes in the last four years. Hunger Games will be viewed as the modern day Grapes of Wrath by future generations. "

Written by someone who has never read the Takeshi Kovacs books by Richard K. Morgan. Or anything by Charles Stross.

The biggest failure of that paragraph iis not to equating todays world with the Walking Dead comics. The essence of Ricks journey is his protection of his family, and in many his failure to do so. By the end of the series the Dead are not the threat as originally perceived but other people are.People who act individually attempting to forward their own specific goals. People who destroy their own communities in the process. People who destroy themselves in the process.

The Walking Dead comics are the new Grapes of Wrath, Hunger games is just the flavor of the month.

 

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:55 | 2313730 AnAnonymous
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The Walking Dead comics are the new Grapes of Wrath, Hunger games is just the flavor of the month.

_______________________________________________

Hunger games are just a pale copy of Battle Royale published in 1999. Same pitch. Save that hunger games is probably of lower quality (not read, not saw it)

Still, it is impressive how US citizens are sinking in a world of fantasy.

Grapes of wrath was anchored in reality, a talented recollection of various bits of human lifes concentrated in archetypal characters.

Now US citizens refer to things like hunger games, purely fictional and the walking dead, which tells me nothing but I suspect it includes living dead or something by the turn of the sentences.

Fantasy is gaining ground in US citizen world.

It might be because US citizens do not talk about what they do. They have to invent a different world to achieve that goal.

US citizen writers could write about US citizen ways in the same way as in the past, this would lead to books on how war is being cooked up on Iran or stuff...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 14:25 | 2313894 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Still, it is impressive how US citizens are sinking in a world of fantasy.

Agreed. The immersion is complete. When it's not outright fantasy, it is the fantasy of manufactured reality, such as the news media and  "reality" TV shows.

Grapes of wrath was anchored in reality, a talented recollection of various bits of human lifes concentrated in archetypal characters.

Grapes of Wrath also threatened the established power structure. This is why John Steinbeck was subjected to annual tax audits until his death.

Now US citizens refer to things like hunger games, purely fictional and the walking dead, which tells me nothing but I suspect it includes living dead or something by the turn of the sentences.

Based upon what I've heard co-workers saying about Walking Dead, I believe you are correct.

Fantasy is gaining ground in US citizen world.

It might be because US citizens do not talk about what they do. They have to invent a different world to achieve that goal.

It might also be because fantasy provides a temporary escape from a reality which is too unpleasant to think about.

US citizen writers could write about US citizen ways in the same way as in the past, this would lead to books on how war is being cooked up on Iran or stuff...

That would not be acceptable to the power structure, because it might shatter the carefully crafted myth that the United States is "the good guys". It would also not be popular, because most Americans prefer to remain in the comfort of their illusions.

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:01 | 2314084 AnAnonymous
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Lets not forget about US citizen fantasical contributions like my chinese wikipedia page on US citizenism, chinese citizenism etc, all providing evidences that US citizens require reality to be mediated by fantasy.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:47 | 2314315 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Lets not forget about US citizen fantasical contributions like my chinese wikipedia page on US citizenism, chinese citizenism etc, all providing evidences that US citizens require reality to be mediated by fantasy.

You are using US citizenism in making your wikipedia page?

You are engaged in clever subterfuge, very clever indeed.

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 16:58 | 2314573 12ToothAssassin
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"Takeshi Kovacs books by Richard K. Morgan. Or anything by Charles Stross." may be better but even awake sheeple can better identify with the here and now even if its not the greatest possible comparison.

 

$.02

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:31 | 2313612 monkeyboy
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So from what I gather now is a great time to buy a house and stick all your money in the stock market...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 15:41 | 2314295 pavman
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ROFLMAO!!!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:09 | 2313020 Henry Chinaski
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Get to the high ground and look for water.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:11 | 2313024 Widowmaker
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Record bonus payola.

Fuck the poor and vulnerable, your money is always good in the pinstripe-faggot's incorporated racketeering syndicate!!

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:12 | 2313035 SheepDog-One
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Right, 'Fuck the poor, fuck retail', but at the same time beg them and plead with them to come back and buy the pump off their hands and save their own skins once again. Lunatics.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:12 | 2313026 SheepDog-One
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The major turning point to me was 1980's...sell out US jobs and production overseas for money borrowing to run a 'borrow and consume' economic model. The country has been sold out, and theyre on the last bubble here, in manic/depressive schizophrenia of both HATING retail, and begging and pleading with retail (who is broke and crushed by real inflation) to come hand over their money so the Maniacal Monetizers can pass off their pump and save their own skins once again. Im just disgustipated.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:21 | 2313076 Gully Foyle
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SheepDog-One

I think you are wrong by a decade.

The 80's were all about buying something with hidden assets, closing it down and selling off the assets. Quite a few manufacturing facilities bit the dust that way. Jobs were lost and material stockpiles were sold off at a profit to some carpetbagger shark only interested in an immediate return.

The 80's were about small farms, mostly family run, having their loans called so that they could be sold to Agribusiness. Whole communities based on farming were forced to turn to welfare or die because the nearest job center was hundreds of miles away.

The 90's were jobs going overseas. That great sucking sound Perot mentioned in regards to NAFTA.

The 80's and 90's were about white collar shits who didn't give a fuck that their working class brethern were getting screwed. Now that it is their turn everyone is supposed to be so upset. FUCK THEM!

If they spent a little thought and effort discovering where in the chain their link was they could have stood up. But instead they got hung up in the cheap money and the crap it bought them. In the lifestyle they now can't pass along to their asshole children.




Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:06 | 2313235 V in PA
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I did a chart that takes the Jan. starting value of the DOW/gasoline price and the value of 1oz Gold/Gasoline price starting in 1919 to 2004.

 

A strange thing happened in 1979/80 where the two traces became statistically identical. This lasted until 1999. Not sure what to make of it. Hoping someone with better insight could explain.

 

Thanks,

V

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:24 | 2313077 AssFire
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Sheepdog, Re: the Late 80's:

I remember hearing the people at Rexnord explain why they were dumping their US manufacturers (Hanna Cylinders being one of them). They explained the US middle class blue collar worker was artificial, temporary and existed only because the rest of the world's industrial base had been decimated after WWII; they rightfully predicted the rest of the world would offer cheaper goods due to much lower wages. In the early 90's when these same people told me about the rise of the internet; I listened and used it to import all goods possible. We now manufacture, do value added to the imported goods while those other American manufacturers are long gone or just a fragment of what they once were. For us it was change or die; I did on a smaller scale what the big makers did on a larger scale. It sucks but you do what you must to survive.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:02 | 2313222 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Yep.  Reagan.  Thanks Ronnie.

Stupid supply-siders think the 80's are the answer.  Kudlow gets a boner just thinking about the 80s.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:13 | 2313534 WillyGroper
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I saw it coming in the 80's too. Again & again ad nauseum.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:11 | 2313032 LouisDega
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Bachman Turner Overdrive Bitchezzzz

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:20 | 2313068 AlaricBalth
Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:24 | 2313079 LouisDega
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Damn, You beat me to it. Deja vu,  Access denied bitchezzz 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:12 | 2313037 vegas
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The guys in the Roman Empire were pikers compared to the corruption of Chalky Soetero and the rest of the gang from Chicago. It will continue unabated because the Amerikan public just doesn't give a shit, as they think nothing bad can ever happen to the U.S. Their apathy makes me want to puke.

 

http://vegasxau.blogspot.com

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:23 | 2313085 Gully Foyle
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vegas

Chalky? Really? That is the best you can come up with.

It makes him sound like a character in an 80's Britcom.

That's just weak man, just weak.


Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:35 | 2313144 SheepDog-One
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OK, how about 'The purple lipped Kenyan'?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:29 | 2313336 HellFish
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How about "Purple Lipped Jug Eared Bastard"?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:45 | 2313171 vegas
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No, he reminds me of Chalky from HBO's Boardwalk Empire. In this mini-series, Chalky is the black guy who runs liquor, numbers, and prostitution for Nucky [Steve Buscemi], the boss of Atlantic City in the 1920's. The guy is hilarious to me because he is a total empty suit, doing the bidding in the black community of the powers-that-be. His job is to deliver the votes, pass out turkeys at Thanksgiving, and keep the black community in its place.

Obama = Chalky

 

http;//vegasxau.blogspot.com

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:24 | 2313309 mc_LDN
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I disagree entrirely. The Romans wrote the Blueprint and they endured for 800 years and then some in the form of the Byzantine Empire.In fact some would say that many of the best corrupt practices employed by The West today were created by the Romans. In their view I would say they would say The West are by their measure amateurs. Lets talk when the West as we know it has been doing it for another 500-600 years. What this history does prove is that the masses have been laying down for the Pharisees and Emperors for a very very long time.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:49 | 2313418 Jason_1sandal
Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:12 | 2313038 Sudden Debt
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Even if the DOW pops to 50.000 tomorrow because of another multi trillion QE, it still wouldn't mean there's a real recovery. Stockmarket related, yes but inflation wise....

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:13 | 2313045 SheepDog-One
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Bottom line is, theres no one for them to pass off their pump to. 1-sided equations do not work.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:35 | 2313146 Village Smithy
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I'd like to believe that but I'm not sure that the major pass off hasn't already occurred and that anything from here on in is just for "walking around money".

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:32 | 2313128 Village Smithy
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There is lots of recovery going on, by the men behind the curtain pulling the levers.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:26 | 2313318 El Viejo
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Recovery these days is measured by debt reduction. Hopium! With the Boomers retiring soon spending will be low for some time.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:13 | 2313041 boogiedown
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If you are a Chase bank customer today was probably a black Tuesday -- double-charged everyone over the weekend and online access still disrupted. Not showing on Google or Bing news, of course, but hundreds of tweets from angry, overdrawn customers

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:13 | 2313043 goldencrumbs
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May the odds be ever in your favor bitchez!

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:13 | 2313044 DormRoom
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Given the interconnected of the automated trading systems, I wonder if there will be a flash crash when Israel bombs Iran.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:14 | 2313049 SheepDog-One
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Only if Iran retaliates and actually does severe damage back to Israel.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:14 | 2313046 surfwon
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this is all bullish right?????????

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:16 | 2313054 SheepDog-One
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They have to keep it bullish, gotta pump higher because surely at some lofty point 'retail' will come swooping in far higher to bail out all the FED pumping of equities....banks are in real trouble theyre now crammed full of all these toxic bubble stocks with no one to dump to.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:20 | 2313293 espirit
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...All those public pensioners expecting an 8% return, bitchez.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:17 | 2313051 brodix
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http://www.exterminatingangel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view...

 There have been discussions and proposals as to how to structure a better monetary system and one popular proposal is to combine the Treasury and the Federal Reserve system and have the government spend money into the economy directly, by paying for public works with new money, rather than this roundabout way of having the Fed buy government debt as the basis of the currency. The fact is that as an obligation, money is inherently a debt, a promise of value to be returned. Even a gold based currency is just debt denominated in gold, as in; IOU one ounce of gold. So unless those commitments are made as viable investments with potential long term return to society, the result will be another form of bad debt and it will also collapse. Governments have an inherent tendency to make more promises than can be kept, so giving politicians the ability to create money by spending it into existence is an idea that should only be considered with the strongest of reservations. The current system seems designed to create excess debt anyway, since it budgets by putting together enormous spending bills, adding enough extras to get sufficient votes and then the president can only pass, or veto it in whole. Budgeting is to list priorities and spend according to ability. If the government actually wanted to budget, these bills could be broken into their various line items and have every legislator assign a percentage value to each one. Then reassemble them in order of preference and have the president draw the line at what is to be funded. This would create a system of actual budgeting, as well as distributing more power over the entire legislature, rather than having most of it accumulate at the top. This makes prioritizing a legislative function, with the president as the one responsible for the level of spending. As Truman might have put it, "The buck stops here."

 This system would result in a smaller money supply and less federal money going to local projects, but if there is a community public banking system, which funneled profits back into the public projects within the community being served, rather than having it siphoned off by big banks, to be lent back to the various levels of government and then spent on those same projects, the result would be a more stable and sustainable civic foundation.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:18 | 2313061 SheepDog-One
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Bah....none of them are seriously looking for a 'solution' to all this, theyre just trying to figure out a way to save their own asses while doing us all in.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:16 | 2313282 brodix
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And quite efficiently destroying their own systems of control. Those bankers are not Assad and their security contractors are not Alawites. The only tribal affinity is monetary and when that breaks down.....

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:31 | 2313125 Seize Mars
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brodix: You don't really get it. You are thinking like a central planner. You are thinking, "How do we engineer things so that the system is better?"

The real question is not how to centrally plan "better," it's how to get the central planners out of our lives.

There is no reason - none, that we need to have money defined by the government, or created by banks. We don't need it.

We.

Don't.

Need.

Banks.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:12 | 2313264 brodix
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Your body is a system, with the central nervous system as its "central planner." Maybe nature would prefer we go back to single celled organisms? Government is society's nervous system and finance is its circulatory system. Nature has been building and revising these systems for billions of years. Cycles of expansion and contraction.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:35 | 2313357 perelmanfan
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A stable, healthy economy is an emergent property of many independent, bottom-up decisions. The power and robustness of emergent, decentralized phenomena is amazing, mysterious, wonderful. Remember that always, always, central planning is being subverted - and will ultimately be overwhelmed - by emergent phenomena. It's the one hopeful fact I know.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:27 | 2313591 brodix
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Very true. Much as spring rises from the debris of winter. Which then forms its own order that expands as long as it absorbs more energy than it loses. Eventually becoming too rigid and the ambient energy starts to break it down. The future is a continuation of the past, until it becomes a reaction to it. Evolution and Revolution. Generation and regeneration.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:34 | 2313137 Vince Clortho
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Yeah. Right.

Now that the fiat money scheme is on the verge of blowing up, I am sure there are "discussions" and 
"proposals" within the Cartel schemers with the sole intention being to transfer the blame and the mess, and let somebody else figure out how to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. 

So virtuous, Always thinking of the little guy.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:21 | 2313298 brodix
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Having just done my taxes, I definitely fall in the category of little guy. If I was a big guy, I wouldn't be trying to figure out why the system is breaking down, just enjoying the ride.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:38 | 2313150 Vint Slugs
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@brodix

Your grasp of economics, specifically "..Even a gold based currency is just debt denominated in gold.." is stunning in its naivety or ignorance.  I'd suggest you navigate over to mises.org and download for free Rothbard's What has Government Done to Our Money.  Read that as a starter for a more informed view as to what money is and how it functions.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:05 | 2313233 brodix
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You might want to read some of what Michael Hudson has written about clay receipts for grain being used as currency by the Sumerians 5000 years ago. They also found a tendency to have more tablets than wheat, but people still keep devising mediums of trade. Having been watching this system gradually and now rapidly break down for close to forty years(I'm 52) I've had some time to try and think through how the process might work. Yes, there will be lots of people running around, waving their hands and crying the end is coming, but eventually the dust will start to settle and we will start over again. Nature works in cycles, as the article says. 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:16 | 2313281 Neo1
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A Banksters worst nightmare, forced to Return to Real Money=United States Note=Lawful Money. The real reason you pay an income tax, is for the privilege of using a private currency. Also known As A:  Federal Reserve Note Demand from your bank or brokerage, lawful money and the tax goes away, with a tax exemption on lawful money, all of your money is yours.

http://www.21silver.com/?show=merrill&read=federal_reserve_act_remedy

Tax Exemption: http://stormthunder.com/federal-reserve-act/

Web search these four different phrases: Redeemed in Lawful Money  or  United States Note  or Redeemed in Lawful Money Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411  or deposited for credit on account or exchanged for non-negotiable federal reserve notes of face value  

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:33 | 2313348 brodix
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That goes to the point that even a government currency needs to be constrained by natural limits of sustainable returns.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:33 | 2313058 Mercury
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The fact that it is appealing to Millenials and all generations says much about the changing of attitudes in the last four years. Hunger Games will be viewed as the modern day Grapes of Wrath by future generations.

I disagree. Although the evils of totalitarianism and celebrity culture are very much in evidence The Hunger Games phenomenon seems more like a symptom of another and wider form of cultural decay. Allow me to re-post my comment from earlier in the day:

" I haven’t seen the movie but I find the Hunger Games books (or more specifically, their huge popularity) to be incredibly disturbing.

Finding a new way to explain the horrors of war to teen-agers  is a noble enough intention but encouraging much younger kids to read this material (which is more or less devoid of any uplifting or positive principals, ethics or outcomes) is a little creepy.

 It seems like I was just being labeled an insensitive reactionary for giving the green light to old Bugs Bunny cartoons in front of young minds and now I’m some kind of prude for not doing the same to a book/movie rife with child murder, sexual exploitation, begging for death, recurring song lyrics about suicide, torture and psychological trauma. "

We did not find or leave The Joads so empty, defeated and ruined.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:58 | 2313135 francis_sawyer
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Hunger Games was more like "The Running Man"...

The movie missed all real chances to juxtapose the 99%ers vs. the 1%ers... Instead, it spent a great deal of time on scenes which depicted the more banal 'Reality Game Show' process (which is about all the conflict that your average teen, or pre-adolescent) has ever experienced in their short lives...

The movie was entertaining, but it missed all real chances to make any kind of a statement other than to say... "Look people ~ we created the ultimate reality version of Big Brother or American Idol here"...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:29 | 2313313 Mercury
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Indeed, the Hunger Games becomes its own Hunger Games - pornography essentially. Circus for Panem.

The books pretty much depict one horror after another and some early clips of the movie I saw (which may not have made the final cut) did seem to convey this well enough - although having a 21 yr. old play a 16 yr. old. takes some of the edge off.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:32 | 2313341 Forward History
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I'm a science fiction writer and a marketing consultant told me I'd have no problem getting the book on summer reading lists for kids.

I kinda blinked and asked them if they realized it was a military science-fiction thriller. I told them there's a rape onboard, as well, though it happens "off camera".

They said no problem, and specifically cited "The Hunger Games" as an example.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:00 | 2313463 Mercury
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It makes you wonder how long it will be before child pornography goes mainstream. The dominance of postmodernism in the arts, which essentially says that nothing can ever be new again - and which disparages the quaint notions of truth, beauty and noble human actions and principals, means that the only frontier remaining (besides technology) is that which separates adult experience from children.

 However, most kids’ lives (in this culture) are so hemmed in compared to say, 30, 40 years ago that perhaps they seek stimulation and proxies for the experiences of the wider world where they can and in ways that are currently acceptable.   No you can’t play outside.... 

 Just wait until the flip side of turning your young life into an online soap opera begins to manifest itself…

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:03 | 2313485 Forward History
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I think it's already gone mainstream. Look at the sexualization of children. Look at the way so many kids dress. When an 11-yo dresses like a 26-yo, that's a problem.

Articles like the above are great, but the author doesn't go far enough. He \ She needs to ask themselves what the true root cause of the problem is. I'd argue a society built on a pillar where greed and envy was still treated with great care might not have ever strayed into the depths we have.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:24 | 2313577 Mercury
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This topic has not gone unnoticed (in your field) and has generated some controversy although one wonders what exactly the new, natural limits are supposed to be.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:17 | 2313060 El Oregonian
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A new game, "The Shyster Shoot-Out" wheres banksters are thrown into pits and armed victims encircle the pit waiting for the signal to open fire. The last standing Bankster gets a reprieve until next week's open-pit challenge.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:38 | 2313151 LetThemEatRand
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Mad Sachs, Beyond Thunderdome.  Geithner gets to be the midget strapped to the big guy.

Wed, 04/04/2012 - 04:47 | 2315624 New World Chaos
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Too quick.  How about every spectator gets 20 darts and a bottle of pure capsaicin? 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:19 | 2313065 the not so migh...
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Most boring collapse in history

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:10 | 2313249 Decolat
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Wait for it... Wait for it...

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:15 | 2313280 WonderDawg
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For the moment. I have a feeling it will be a different tune by August.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:18 | 2313290 mc_LDN
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I say May. They need Iran to kick off well ahead of September.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:24 | 2313083 Arnold Ziffel
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Our research makes the point that the aftermaths of severe financial crises are characterized by long, deep recessions in which crucial indicators such as unemployment and housing prices take far longer to hit bottom than they would after a normal recession. And the bottom is much deeper. Studies by the International Monetary Fund concluded much the same.

by

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-02/five-years-after-crisis-no-norm...

Itlooks like a long way down to the bottom yet folks, so be patient....

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:24 | 2313087 tony bonn
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this article is a splendid recap of the psychopathic murderers of the bush crime syndicate who do the bidding of the rockefeller axis of evil....

a nation which believed that oswald killed kennedy, that al qaeda planned 9/11, and that obama is a us citizen deserves the fate which has befallen it....life and history speak contemptuously of fucktards....

mitt romney is the next incarnation of the bush crime syndicate....

www.obamacrimes.com

 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:27 | 2313102 Vince Clortho
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You are aware that 70+ % of Americans believe that JFK was killed in a conpiracy?

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:17 | 2313284 mc_LDN
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Poppy Bush. Thats all you need to know.

Family of Secrets by Russ Baker. Read it before you make any comment then be the judge.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 13:41 | 2313666 WillyGroper
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Prescott daddy Bush.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 16:29 | 2314508 Dickweed Wang
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Prescott Bush was behind a failed coup attempt prior to WWII (foiled in large part by two time Medal of Honor recipient US Marine Corp. General Smedley Butler).  Bush was never held accountable because of friends in high places in the US Government and the fact it would  have had a huge negative effect on the people's support for fighting the war.  Like Grandpa, like son, like grandson . . .treasonous bastards all.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:40 | 2313154 SheepDog-One
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I pretty much feel the same, the country deserves what its going to get and it will be horrible, the people deserve it they like it and are too stupid to see theyre slaves as long as theyre made somewhat comfortable. They believe all the media lies and propaganda because its comforting, and fun for them to call anyone warning them an 'Anti govt conspiracy kook'...why, if anyone says anything about 'The man of the Millenium' Bernanke, or the Great ObaMao, surely they must be insane then! 

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:26 | 2313097 dksrox
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Bush v. Gore. Enron. Natch.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:27 | 2313103 manhunter
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Panic! at the disco.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:30 | 2313116 spanish inquisition
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If you look at who Ben represents, the private owners of the FED (the true 1%ers), then he has done an excellent job representing them and increasing their wealth.

Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:31 | 2313124 Stuck on Zero
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Fools keep sending their money to Wall Street or DC in trade for electronic digits.  The game will go on as long as this persists.

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