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Guest Post: You Can't Fool Mother Nature For Long: Profiting from Sickcare
Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds
You Can't Fool Mother Nature For Long: Profiting from Sickcare
Sickcare, the fast-food/packaged food industries, the entertainment industry and the Marketing/Mainstream Media complex are all facets of one system.
In America, the implicit belief system promoted by marketing is that you can eat anything you want in whatever quantity you want, and if anything goes wrong with your body or mind, there is a pill or procedure to fix it. In other words, your diet and fitness level is given lip service, but what really counts is access to all the medications that are constantly touted and pushed by the Marketing/Mainstream Media complex.
It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic: if you've seen one advert pushing a med, you've seen them all: the description of the disorder, the fear and pain it inflicts, the solution in a pill, and then a voice-over, spoken at a manic pace to fit all the possible side-effects in the waning moments of a 60-second spot: suicidal thoughts, symptoms of heart attack, heart attack, itchy skin, dizziness, bizarre dreams, and on and on. Good golly, all these side-effects from one med? What happens when they're combined with 7 or 8 or 11 other meds with their own swarms of nasty side effects?
The core of sickcare is this: creating and treating illness is highly profitable. For creating illness, we have the packaged food, Big Food and fast food industries. Does anyone seriously believe that human beings can function healthily for decades on a diet of sugar water, fried potatoes, white-bread buns and fat-larded hamburgers?
Large family gatherings during the holidays are often interesting opportunities to witness the consequences of corporate brainwashing via the Marketing/Mainstream Media complex. For example, I heard more than once that So-and-So dislikes fish and vegetables, and only like burgers and fries or equivalents such as hamburger "steak."
In a surreal divergence of entertainment and reality, our society broadcasts popular food shows in which chefs routinely assemble impossibly complex dishes while our schools produce students who cannot identify a healthy home-cooked meal, much less actually prepare one.
In a similar fashion, fitness has been marginalized in much of American education; in our rush to raise math and science to "must haves," we have neglected finance and the science of nutrition and fitness--applications of math and science that really count.
In fitness, another surreal divergence has opened between the entertainment provided by "extreme sports" touting superhuman endurance and daring, and the average American's ability and desire to run a mile (or even a kilometer). We have been brainwashed into a nation of spectator/consumers who know very little about living a nutritious and fit life. We are content to watch extreme sports training on TV but are averse to becoming even marginally fit ourselves.
Preparing programming and food for spectator/consumers is highly profitable; teaching people how to prepare healthy meals at home and becoming fit on their own is not.
The food industry is the tangible analog of the entertainment industry. Both have access to reams of data about what activates the reward centers of the human brain--what tastes, sights and smells bypass the conscious mind and go directly to the primitive brain centers that control appetite and response to high-value, rare-in-Nature triggers such as sugar, fat and salt.
Fast food and packaged food are specifically engineered to trigger these reward centers. No wonder they "taste good"--they are super-saturated with tastes that are sparing and rare in natural food.
In a similar fashion, newscasters speak with an unnatural urgency and tone that we instinctively respond to as evidence of danger or threat.
The entire sickcare system that includes the food/diet industries and "entertainment" is engineered to maximize profit by triggering instincts wired to reward sensitivity to danger/threat and sugar, fat and salt. In addition to these instinctive triggers, corporate cartels and their handmaidens, the Marketing/Mainstream Media complex, have actively embedded the craving for sugar, salt, fat and "excitement" (of the profitable, corporate kind) in American culture. Consumption of these triggers is viewed as "cool," "hip," "elite" activities, or as culturally sanctioned expressions of self-reward, i.e. of "treating yourself because you deserve it" and self-indulgence, i.e. spontaneity as instant gratification.
Then there's over-treatment. If we test 1,000 people for cancer and treat 50 and end up with one person who received treatment that extended their life while 49 others suffered early deaths or negative consequences of needless treatment, then American sickcare calls it good.
Those statistics come from studies of treatment of prostate cancer, as detailed in a Scientific American report (February 2012 issue): The Great Prostate Debate: Evidence shows that screening does more harm than good. (Subscription required, or find the issue at a library)
These are difficult issues in any caregiving system, but the downside of overtreatment and overtesting is rarely addressed in American sickcare because somebody's making big money from administering the tests and treatment, and from suing anyone who "withholds" treatment-- even if the treatment helps one in a thousand and demonstrably harms 49 others.
Mother Nature cannot be fooled for long. A sedentary lifestyle and a diet heavy with sugar, empty carbs, salt and unhealthy fats derived from factory-farm animals cannot sustain a human body selected for an omnivorous, active hunting-gathering lifestyle. Health is simply impossible when the body is destroyed by this sort of diet and inactive life.
Infectious diseases can be miraculously cured by a pill--an antibiotic. But cancer and other "lifestyle" diseases are not caused by single-source infections; in these diseases and chronic conditions, health is rarely restored with a pill or even a handful of pills.
How can anyone be healthy in a culture whose most powerful industries are actively and ceaselessly promoting consumption of products and "entertainments" that derange the mind and body because they are unnatural super-doses designed to "hit" natural triggers so hard that resistance is futile?
Our caregivers are tasked with "giving lifestyle advice" to their patients, each of whom gets a few moments a month at best with their doctor/nurse, and then the patient goes home and absorbs 4-8 hours a day of Marketing/Mainstream Media pushing of illness-producing consumables and a fear-based desire for an endless array of costly "magic pills" to fix all the diseases which mysteriously ail us--for what we eat and our fitness levels are never mentioned as causal factors.
There are never enough tests and treatments--more can be added every year-- and of course there can never be enough money spent on healthcare. We just need to leave enough money to consume the food and lifestyle that spawns many of the illnesses, and then we can spend the rest on treating these diseases.
Mother Nature is not amused by the destruction of her systems for profit. Sadly, it isn't the corporate cartels who suffer the consequences of what they push for profit, it's the people who absorbed the marketing and consumed the fantasy.
"Without health there is no happiness. An attention to health, then, should take the place of every other object." (Thomas Jefferson, 1787)
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The Silent Generation, and the world’s politicians, cannibalized the baby boomer generation, in the industrialized North America and Europe. Global theft. Time to chase down the thieves and hang them five at a time. Lock and load.
You're blaming the Silent Generation? LOL. Evidence please!
Or the gimmie generation. Gimmie this, gimmie that.
But I guess you may have a point, the GI generation is the generation that voted in FDR.
I will gladly pay for my health care on Tuesday for a hamburger today, mmmm. Especially if YOU'RE the one paying for my health care on Tuesday.
Eating meat is begging for disease. It is the single largest cause of man's malaises. And understandably so, given how mercilessly we slaughter them and how much we eat of them. I've been in the great midwest, seen california feedlots up close and personal.
And most of all...well, just visit http://farmsanctuary.org/
A close second is Beer and then alcohol in general.
Simple test, take a ph strip and pee on it first thing in the AM. Do it 2/3 days in a row, to get a good average feel.
If you are acidic (sub 7 ph), you are in deep trouble. Simple.
it is the single test you need. And if you are acidic, change something (quit drinking/eating meat for a month), check again.
Our blood/saliva ph is meant to be between 7 and 8 (mildly basic).
It is critical to our health. And meat and alcohol (and soda/stress) destroy our ph balance.
Nature-o-Pathy. ;-)
And the rest, well, mix money with anything, you ultimately get Greed as key driving factor. Health care, Education, politics.....everything really.
The madness of Mammon.
ori
/shattering-midass-curse-gold-de-spell-ed/
respectfully disagree. The problem is with how the animals are raised, what they are fed, and what drugs they have ingested. Grass fed natural meats are incredibly healthy. mass produced soy fed diseased antibiotic and hormone laden meat, on the other hand, will kill you.
I pay extra for organic. I'm wondering if I'm a sucker. Feel like one at the check out line.
depends i guess. where there is a dollar to be made, lies are sure to follow. I try to buy meat from local known farmers... don't trust the stores as much as you get a better deal anyway. support local food production, its one of the few things that you can do to fight the global takeover.
Grass fed beef may still be fed vitamin/mineral licks that contain Rumensin. Overdoses of Rumensin cause heart lesions and congesitive heart failure in cattle. It is also used for dairy cows,and using it as labeled causes reproductive problems. Trace amounts will kill a horse. There's not much info on Rumensin's effect on people (other than requiring full hazmat gear when handling its concentrated form). But it can't be good for you.
http://www.drugs.com/pro/rumensin.html
interesting. always something else isn't there...
An economic solution would be to have health savings accounts, creating a economic incentive to stay healthy.
Also private social security accounts.
People dismiss the power of money to influence behavior but economists know economic incentives drive 89% of the rational population.
As for the irrational 11% your solution is going to be as good as mine.
The problem with HSA is that you can never save enough to treat catastrophic care. Poor people simply can't afford expensive treatments. If you combined a PSA with a catastrophic care plan I could understand, but the truth is most people who need catastrophic care could never afford it themselves. Especially because (not coincidentally) their productivity is often impaired.
Hughes is on fire! Keep it up man!
Buy a $5,000 deductable catastrophic health care policy with the HSA.
We have health savings accounts at my job.
$2000 deposited annually, which is your max out of pocket for medical care. If you don't use it...it is saved in an investment account to be cashed out upon retirement. I try to avoid using it at all costs.
That being said...I have another 35+ years left before I plan to retire so we'll see where things are down the road...
medicare isn't free government handout Ripoffblicans would have you believe.
You still have to pay monthly premiums. $2000 saved annually would be what you will have to cash out annually to pay for the premium.
to lower healthcare costs, import doctors, create more hospitals, and limit healtcare coverage for the irresponsible (smokers, drinkers, obese, etc.)
Does that include those who think cheese stuffed chesse bread is better than cheese bread. When will it end. LOL
Paying with your own money does change buying patterns. People pay more attention, look at less costly alternatives etc.
When my Mother died we found the bill for my birth in an old box. It was a little over $100 and included a week in the hospital. I think they payed something like $35 a month before I was due, $35 when I was born, and another $35 a month or two later.
A dollar was worth a lot more then to be sure, and they have a lot more fancy machines and computers, of course, but paying out of pocket definitely changes things. They didn't have private rooms then and probably no air conditioning, and certainly no TVs with VCRs & cable channels either. If people had to pay extra for that stuff, I'll bet a lot of them wouldn't.
Once again it's the businesses that have the most government interference that are the most expensive. It started with the federal regulations on group health insurance, and continued on from there...
Look at the parts of medical care that medical insurance won't pay for... Lasic eye surgery & cosmetic plastic surgery. They don't have the big inflation rates that the covered care has. In fact, they've had a lot of innovation and price drops to boot.
Protien goes a long way. Not much is needed to stay fit. 20 grams does me fine per meal, and I eat meat maybe once a day.
It is important to eat properly fed and properly treated animals. You are what you eat, ya know?
As far as beer and alcohol there are good and bad things about them. Alcohol is a detoxifier, so a little bit can do great wonders for the body. But if you drink too much, then it's trouble.
Every body is different though, and this is the kicker. It is important to listen to yourself, and know what is best for you.
Oh, and while I am at it, green foods are perfect for women, and good for men in small doses. If you are eating green foods (blue-green algea/kelp/chlorella/etc) would recomend also eating Maca. Maca will clean your thyroid and other glands. These glands can get filled up with green foods/iodine and begin to rely on the intake and stop producing properly.
Is there ANY data on this? I can't imagine any journal investigating 'green' food. A little scepticism in your diet goes a long way.
My belief based on personal experience combined with physician training (YES we DO get nutritional training in medical school, stop saying we don't) is that any diet that maintains normal weight and has 45 to60 grams high quality protein and not laden with the icky fats will keep most people healthy.
The developed world has the luxury of being weird with their diet. In the third world and the coming world it will be back to basics. I'm spending my preparation budget wisely. Green food? really?
who funds the research?
Doctors have to treat patients by specific rules or they don't get paid by insurance companies. Those rules are heavily influenced by industry. Nutritionist (not any thing close to being doctors) are horrible offenders. They cannot tell the truth and must treat their patients based on the common lore rather than any empircal studies. Bottom line - you can not really trust anyone in the medical field, don't even get me started on pharmacuticals and "Health Maintenance."
the "icky fats" like coconut oil? which the FDA allowed commercial advertising against so as to promote "low saturated fat" vegetable oils like CORNtm, or the ever-ubiquitous SOYtm, both pretty much "owned" by Monsanto?
or butter, which was demonised in favour of crap margarines, that "scientific" manufactured food product, more corporate profits, all "recommended" in the govt. sponsored *cough* food pyramid, taught in amrkn schools from grade to graduate.
as to your "can't imagine any journal investigating 'green' food" - the journals that publish "science" funded by the corporate food 'n' pharma industries? because "science" serves the funding master, the point of view is directed at the paycheck.
plenty of research out there should you care to look.
http://www.alsearsmd.com/coconut-oil-fat/
well said
Coconut oil is the shit. I use it to cook all the time.
Coconut butter is even better. Great, healthy and energy dense snack. Still pretty cheap @ PCC.
Science went all Corporate and Military-Industrial complex sponsorship starting on November 23, 1963. Science has been a tool to prove the big six Monopoly-Oligarch agenda. Multiple-choice faked the education: make the wrong answers look more obvious to maintain the educational baseline and declare the majority passed.
Nettle leaf, horsetail, alalfa leaf juice, dandelion leaf juice, barley grass juice, oat grass juice, wheat grass, basil, tulsi, parsly, spinach, spirulina, chlorella, kelp, dulse, nori.....
Yes, a lot of research, Dr.
nettles and dandelion are packed with nutrient. Most edible "wild plants" are tremendously more nutritious because, for their survival they have deep tap roots which pull up and into them superior amounts of minerals etc. The toughest edible berry plants from the toughest of environments have similar qualities. It makes sense when you think about it.
Listen to your body, not your mind, not your craving or want. To know what your body needs you must go without, 2 weeks without food should do it more if you want but you need to listen to your whole body. Its not about hunger or desire its about what my flesh, bone and blood need. You have 3 days of food in your blood now. So you can go at least 3 days without any food before your body even starts the backups like fat and muscle.
Listen to your body, sometimes it will need supplements sometimes not. Most will need a supplement pill once a month sometimes more. But remember 1 million years ago your father and mother were eating old bone marrow and brain under a hot sun and loving it. Some still enjoy them to this day. Enjoy your wine and beer if it makes you sick you drank to much of a good thing.
yes to maca and chlorella!
agreed, excellent detoxifiers, critical now, and as we go forward.
thumbs up, for the blue green algae (fresh water grown)
jocuri cu bile diseases which mysteriously ail us--for what we eat and our fitness levels are never mentioned as causal factors. ben 10
you can always find something that is not good for you, in every kind of food. but you have to eat, and inthe end, something has to kill you. you can't go on living forever.
buy your meat from local farmers who work with biological farming methods. healthy meat, free of any chemicals en medicals and hormones.
you pay a bit extra, but for that, you have healthy meat that tastes much better and the animal has a better life.
Rained Hellfire on Bambi a few weeks ago; won't find better than natural, wholesome forest-raised venison. Chops, burger, hot sticks, sausage...the freezer bulges with Nature's bounty. I suggest you get a rifle and try it; wild pigs are good as well.
Couldn't disagree more. I'll take marbled corn fed beef any day of the week.
I wouldn't turn that down, either.
After the truck strikes to your city, you will fight to get on the good side of your local growers. It's all fun and games 'till the cops show up...not.
The United States will federalize all CDL's and convoy food trucks in closed interstate highways first before they will allow places like NYC to be out of food.
NYC is fed daily by thousands of trucks coming from all points of North America.
The food on those trucks, after they make it down from where the real food grows is marked "Soylent Green". Works with first-growth, downed redwood, crawdads, acapulco gold, etc.
The truck strike marked the end for Salvador Allende in Chile on 9-11-73.
h/t Henry the K.
Organic is now just marketing. If you can, grow your own food and/or buy from a local pasture farmer.
pasture raised animals and forest fed hogs are an entirely different meat. Low in fats, high in omega 3's and CLA...
I farm organically. I have not sought the USDA administered "organic" label because of the silly hoops one has to jump through to obtain that designation. I market my foods (locally only) as "naturally grown", using only NATURAL methods of pest control (companion plantings, beneficial insects, etc) and NATURAL compost fertilizer. I use no chemicals but I cannot refer to my operation as "organic". The "BUY LOCAL" customers do not care about officially certified BS. My customers can come to my farm, see their food, pick it if they's like and inspect my grounds for any evidence of chemical use. Seeing is believing and tasting the freshly picked, locally grown fruits and vegetables makes believers out of everyone. BUY LOCAL is restoring some control over what goes in your body.
What you speak of above is an unfortunate byproduct of insidious bureaucracy.
I expect that it will [if not already] be 'illegal' to do what you are doing. Which is a shame of gigantic proportions.
"organic" has been co-opted by corporate, as most things are in amrka - I agree with you Mike, it's important to actually know your food sources, as definitions of words now betray the trust we once had in them.
"organic" can mean different things to different growers as well, and it's important to know how each farmer interprets that term, particularly if certain methods/chemicals are not desired, or are toxic to you as an individual.
this is why it's so important to support local growers, so that one can access food from trusted sources - even buying from a "farmer's market" means you are going what is told you, vs. actually building up a relationship with your grower.
BUY LOCAL supports keeping healthy food within your community.
Good stuff - spot on.
One of the guys I work with has his own pasture biz.
I got a quarter of 100% grass fed beef from him, another on order for next year.
Cheaper in the long run, and much more healthy.
But not as tasty.
FWI, you can sell up to 5000 dollars worth of product as organic, providing you do farm organically, without certification.
You are.
on a long enough time line we are all dead.
The whole point in living well is moderation in diet and exercise. Too active and you are destroying your joints prematurely and increasing your chances of sprains and breaks.
Too much food, too often are just more pounds to carry around and more additives and pollutants for your body to process.
Eat simple and walk,bike or lift weights. I highly recommend weight lifting, when you heavy a haevy weight in your hands, you really aren't thinking about anything else. It clears the mind and focuses the thoughts.
Don't overdo, the idea is constant exercise over your life span, not get it all out of the way in one session. Better to underestimate your capacity, than to strain and hurt yourself and not be able to exercise until you heal.
There is no perfect diet, just as there are no perfect humans.
For older people the bike class at the Y is great. You get a good cardiovascular work out without a lot of stress in the joints. I had to stop walking/running because of the stress and the bike class was a good alternative.
Good advice, and don't forget swimming (great cardio, no impact) and the sensible use of free weights. Weight training is especially important for athletes of, ahem, a certain age. Great for general strength, sense of balance and bone density.
Actually older people need the contact stress on their bones to stimulate bone growth.
The sorry fact is that most, if not all, older people are too broken to do any kind of impact training, such as walking.
pods
Intelligent strength training is the way to go.
If you did barbell squats and supplemented with a mix of high/low intensity cardio you would be better off than most people.
+1 for squats. I see your squats and raise you deadlifts.
according to penn and teller and their show bullshit...your feelings in the check out line would be correct
I hear ya - from everything I've read organic is nothing but $$$$
Good post. grass fed animals, those that feed on perennials and whose byproduct is part of the soil nutrient is how it was always done..until we lost our mind and the bad guys took over. That said, do not think we were meant to eat the amount of meat that is in the normal US diet. The body can instantly process plant based portein and put it into your bloodstream. There are plenty of "superfoods" that do this and are very easy to grow in many climates and soil Quinoa is one of them. It takes a tremendous amount of time and energy to do the same for meat. At the other end, B-12 is very difficult to obtain with a plant only diet. It can only really be obtained by using animal byproduct to add nutrient to the soil.
amrkns "lost their minds" when they were force fed the diet of white coat "science" models, "better living through science," everything with the blessed hand of the scientist's lab tested approval - just another form of religion, requiring unquestioned belief, until proven to be. . . manipulated bullshit.
who paid / pays for this "research" - who benefits - and who is the test subject, the ultimate loser.
and quinoa rocks - great source of a complete protein, magnesium, etc. - versatile, quick and easy to sprout (most nutritious), and gluten-free.
B-12 deficiency cured 100% with a direct addition is the downside vs high risk of colon cancer from long-term styrofoam-encased unidentified animal cell pathogens, soon-to-be-named and 100% blamed; and periodontal disease from bits of rotting animal cell like human cell pathogens feating on gum roots like staphlococcus feasts on heart valve tissue?
Shuite yourself, dear ones and eat hearty. Argggh!
john39
"Grass fed natural meats are incredibly healthy. "
Right up until you force them into a shipping container and slaughter them at a factory facility.
Pumps a shitload of bad fear based hormones and chemicals into the meat.
Why is it people stop before the death part when considering their food? Even at that free range Turkeys and Chikens are fed foods with Arsenic. Yummy, yummy Organis Arsenic.
We get all hung up on the pretty sounding words and forget the ugly nuts and bolts reality.
i don't buy into the fear hormone pollutes the meat thing... no proof. besides. my local farmer has his stuff processed at a small local facility.
agreed.. I've spent a lot of time on farms as a kid.. All animals live in fear all the time.. That's what keeps them alive.. Cows, Chickens, Rabbits, you name it, it looks like it's about to have a heart attack anytime anything goes near it..
Cows...not so much...you can call them over to pet them...then ka-pow....hamburger...
Cows...not so much...you can call them over to pet them...then ka-pow....hamburger...
Cows...not so much...you can call them over to pet them...then ka-pow....hamburger...
Gully,
Most small ranchers take their animals to the slaughter house in an open air stock trailer. The animals are tagged and processed separately to insure you get only YOUR meat. There are zero chemicals involved, unless you choose to have some of your meat processed into a different end product ( for example, sausage or jerky). The meat is frozen and kept that way unrtil you purchase it.
Free range turkeys and chickens are only as good as the farmer you get them from and their practices. They only have naturally occuring arsenic, if it is in the biosystem, unless they are fed feeds that have it.
It would be nice to process your own meat, but it is illegal to sell meat you process yourself- except chicken, but the rules are pretty tight there as well.
Real organic, grass fed animals produce the healthiest meat you can find and live the best possible lives given the alternatives.
Of course, but try doing that organic thing in the size the market demands tomorrow. The Madness of crowds; the Cure is one by one.
The problem is this: there are zero sources of food that can be completely trusted- the system is that compromised. You must raise your own food, on your own land and hope your ground water is not polluted to the degree there is no escape from the toxins.
That entire paragraph sounds delusional, yet decades of study have demonstrated, for me atleast, that it is true. Just as everything in this article is true.
The human body is incredibly good at clearing toxins from its' system, but the food, water and air of the modern world has overwhelmed it. For anyone old enough, think back: do you remember this many people with allergies? Autoimmune diseases? Cancers?
My theory? They want us alive long enough to get the most production from us at the cheapest cost- then drain any wealth we acquire through medical mayhem, plastic baubles and technology toys. Compassionate eugenics. We are factory farms for humanity.
I respectfully disagree as well. Not eating meat for ehtical reasons is a fine practice. I applaud it. Just don't try to make the scientific case that eating meat is the reason for all man's ills. The case cannot be made. Most humans evolved as omnivores over the course of hundreds of thoudands of years. Nearly all of our primate cousins eat meat as well. Many past human populations ate almost exclusively fat and meat. It is well known that the traditional Masai and Intuit had extremely low incidence of heart disease even though they ate nothing but (organic) meat and fat their entire lives.
Keep pushing the ethical argument and you will make more headway.
I enjoy a good juicy ribeye as much as anyone but this really opened my eyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study_(book)
Thank you for not making the "moral" argument about eating meat. Those that do are the biggest impediment to progress with the food system. We are omnivores. That said, we can certainly eat less meat. The key is sustainable and grass fed meats which are humanely treated. Factory farms are a horror.
We are omnivores
one word... "bicuspids"...
The day I look into the mirror & smile & my teeth look like that of a ruminant, I'll start chewing cud...
Heck francis, you must have a serious set of canines.
I look at most people, they smile, and you see a mild canine in most people. Hardly meat shredding good. Or we would not need to "soften' up the meat so much no? I mean yes?
ori
How many Indians excel at olympic sports?
If God didn't want us to eat animals, why did He make them out of meat? The fact that animals are not made from styrofoam packing peanuts is very telling.
Max Fischer, Carpe Hunc
Dietary laws regarding meat no doubt were the key to many tribes' survival. Without 99% of meat, no need for the religious hierarchical and profound separatist baggage. Call any vegetable, and the chances are good they ain't watching TV.
Humans are efficient, one of the most effecient animals on the planet by brain size to body. We have a huge need for calories and have a mind that can access normaly unaccessable food. Walking up right saves large amounts of calories, siting stationary equily so. its a vast topic but know that humans can and do operate at far less calories then you would think they could.
Humans are built for productivity. Need heavy lifting build a lift or get someone or something else to do it, brains built for creative problem solveing and its vary good at what it does.
Why we evolved to have sharp pointy canine teeth I will never know. Maybe we evolved with them to make carrot shreds for our tofu salds.
Our canine teeth are evolving and getting even better at opening up plastic packaging...
I thought the US was immune from evolution?
We have our own version: survival of the fattest.
Is that what the Little Village song "Big Love" is about?
It would certainly seem so.
Because it was essential to eat meat to survive. Is it essential now? Yes if all you can find is meat. Choice of not killing or be part of killing is wiser and more civilized if you can make it without meat. This is arguable esspecially if you eat meat like me.
I am not responsible for your sins nor should you be held responsible for mine. " I am not my brothers keeper" "he was dead when i got here."
We evolved with pointy canine teeth so we can eat your liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
The Eskimo, the Adi and the Reindeer people of Siberia will be fascinated by your writings ORI...
Caribou is the most gentle tasting wild game I've encountered. I could eat it and pickeral every day. Beaver legs and bear sausage, not so much.
Beaver is one of my favorites but it can cause labored breathing and extreme cranial pressure...
Sometimes when I've tried to eat beaver I've gotten whiplash.
In the worst cases, it can even cause cauliflower ears!
I think you meant, best cases.
;)
"Didn't bite his nipple, bit it OFF."
Or even temporary hair loss.
On edit: I'm not speaking of the beav, although it may suffer as well.
Too many U turns under the sheets is the leading cause of hair loss...
Lance V., is that you?
Hey Hulk, island people eating fish is okay. Just like eskimo eating reindeer. But look at how they do it. A fisihing boat, a net or spear...or a long long hike, tracking, kill, hauling, calling animal spirits, praying to ocean gods....whole different world man.
Now you see an eskimo go hunting on a Snowmobile with laser sighted rifles...different. Same with the "village" fisherman in his stinking, loud, kerosene powered boat...
That is the point, our relationwhip with the animal kingdom has become one of pure greed and total apathy to them.
Thus, it cannot end well. Pardon the pun!
ori
http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:GRL&dl=en&hl=en&q=life+expectancy+greenland
Life expectancy in Greenland. Not the greatest.
Absolutely ORI, exercise is critical...
Squirrel or rabbit for mild flavor not as bitter as dark chicken or turrkey meat from what i remember. Never had fresh caribou so cant say but buffalo is rich and good eats.
Ha!
Sorry oh regional one but sugar in copious amounts next to fried and high fat products are the major culprit in disease and sickness in our society today. Humans have always been meat eaters, thus the hunting part in hunting and gathering. Far too many are actually protein deficient including the diabetic and obese patient. They didn't get that way by eating meat, they got that way by consuming massive amounts of refined carbohydrates, by the boatload in most cases for decades. Alcohol based beverages virtually contain sugar and carbohydrates both simple and complex. Addictions by far are run by hypoglycemia or blood sugar dysregulation. Sugar feeds the monster and also the multiple types of infections present within the gut. Antibiotics have not helped this, but sugar is the superstar here.
Humans have always been meat eaters, thus the hunting part in hunting and gathering.
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Humans have been drinking milk for ages too...
Better to be straight, direct, something not easy for US citizens due to theirduplicitous nature.
It would avoid involving cheap evolutionist argumentation.
Meat eaters love to eat meat anddo not want to quit eating meat. It is their pleasure.
After that, the story of eating meat, omnivore, pointed teeth and the rest, well, another cheap propaganda delivery by US citizens.
Survival is different from life. Might be that you are geared for eating quite a lot of stuff, that eating that stuff wont kill you outright but in the making, it might also shorten your lifespan.
But hey, US citizenism is as US citizen does so...
You and your " US citizenism" shtick are seriously getting old. What the fuck do you think " US citizenism" actually is? So I get it if you disrespect us now and that's fine. Where in the hell do you hail from oh brilliant and positioned to criticize one?
Don't mistake what America has become with what America was founded to be.
It was pretty much a good idea.
The skeptics seem to have proven themselves correct. It did not work. It did not work precisely for the reasons predicted that it might not work. Liberty lost it's meaning. Individual worth was raped and the bastard childs name is 'social justice'.
America did not fail by accident. America failed by design.
Another brilliant example of what US citizens love to claim as critical thinking, thinking for themselves and stuff like that.
What skepticism?
Liberty lost its meaning? Hey, it is somehow quite common knowledge now that the US started as a slaver nation.
How could liberty lose its meaning?
US citizenism is not failing, US citizenism is succeeding.
Trouble is that, it happens all the time, some start to believe the propaganda as it was reality.
There is no fabled past with the US.
Nothing has changed. US citizenism is spreading successful to the four corners of the Earth and prevails everywhere.
US citizenism is achieving the global agenda it has set from the start.
Actually most humans do not and have never drank cow's milk or in fact any other animals milk over the years. Other cultures especially asian actually think it quite disgusting to drink another animals milk. Although they eat dog's meat which we equally probably find disgusting.
Obviously you must be some right wing christian creationist nutjob who thinks that evolutionary changes happen and have happened over time. Both iron and B12 are almost exclusively found in animal meat, primarily the red kind. There are some B12 sources from plants that can improve deficiency status, but these sources cannot make up for the nutritional status of red meat.
The only one pushing propaganda here is actually you. And why the hell would you even bring up US citizensim. Stay on topic or get out and let the adults in the room deal with the real issues.
History is on the side of those who investigate and actually do the research. This is part of my job, obviously not part of yours.
Evolution takes about 5thousand years to work. So Humans have been eating drinking animals milk for over 10 thousand years. So yes, humans can and do adapt to their environment. Umm cheese and milk. i love them wouldnt be liv'n without them.
India (I can say for sure) has been doing the Cow's milk thing for at least 6-40,000 years depending on whose time-line you swallow.
You sir, are full of poop, I have to say.
ori
Wow, mark down the calendar. I am absolutely in agreement, as is the scientific literature.
Consuming more than 5-10% of your daily calories from animal products (meat, milk, cheese et all) opens you up to cancer, heart disease, and a myriad of other problems.
The problem is, most americans (myself included) love to eat meat. And we will do anything to find supporting evidence to cosign our lifestyle.
The good news is that we can in fact reverse disease, including heart disease, type II diabetes, and even help the body to overcome cancer.
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
pods
Also check out Dr. Gerson
@pods..."The problem is, most americans (myself included) love to eat meat. And we will do anything to find supporting evidence to cosign our lifestyle".
Read: Good Calories, Bad Calories: Challenging the Conventional Wisdom on Diet, Weight Control, and Disease by Gary Taubes.
Toxicosis
And can you be more full of shit?
It isn't diet it is lack of exercise.
Because we are so successful and have a whole shit load of leisure time and labor saving devices we just don't burn off those calories.
I am so fucking sick at people ONLY seeing a single aspect of a very complex problem.
I was responding to ORI's comment. I remained on topic, but once again you decided to show up to the party late and act like you've been here all night.
Of course I recognize the need for physical activity. One hundred years ago, virtually 90% of the population were farmers and life was physical and rural. We also didn't have the sugar, pop, and fried foods that are in existence today. However, compared to 150 years ago when humans consumed approx. 5 pounds of sugar per person per year and now it is closer to 170 pounds per person per year and more, that is THEE major factor including not moving and remaining sedentary. I am also so fucking sick of people not following the trend of original discussion and intention and only seeing a single aspect of a very complex problem. Namely their stupidity.
I work out 5-6 days a week and encourage my own clients to do the same. I also tell them to cut out the white refined sugar, the bread, and the pasta. Get a life Gully, and get yourself "edumacated", because obviously the problem is also bigger than exercise.
and i'm so sick of uncomplicated problems being tangled up by simpletons. Back to the gym with you, candy ass.
and to be even more specific, it's not so much "sugar" as it is genetically modified corn, made into HFCS, via mercury, and inserted into virtually EVERY packaged, corporate fud-group, where "sugar" never went - that, and copius amounts of soda leeching out the minerals, vs. actually drinking water to remain hydrated and flush the body system of toxins. . .
also, GMO soy by products, also ubiquitous in packaged foods, with the phyto-estrogens adding to girth. . . it's all by design - the feedlot is a great example - fatten 'em up, inject with pharma prior to slaughter. . . corporate foods keep pharma in business, corporate amrka does the promo work via FDA, "benefits" are funneled from "government" to "corporation" seamlessly, the human is merely the middle-stage conduit.
Corn Syrup is some seriously bad stuff. There's a small documentary called "King Corn" that does a great job on the subject and corn in general.
It's also a magnificent example of the law of unintended consequences. At least, I hope they were unintended. Govt subsidizes corn (syrup), at the expense of cane sugar, to help out corn farmers. And it ends up turning the US into a nation of diabetics and heart patients. Good job, congress, thanks.
that's the beauty of congress, when they're not corrupt, they're incompetent. Some I hear can pull off both at the same time.
Ori, you're misguided. Go read: Good Calories, Bad Calories: Challenging the Conventional Wisdom on Diet, Weight Control, and Disease by Gary Taubes. This is a scientific book of scientific analysis. This book breaks down the real story of disease without propaganda.
Good Calories, Bad Calories is an excellent read.
I would also suggest The Paleo Diet by Loren Cordain, and the Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf.
Or, go to http://www.robbwolf.com
On an additional anectdotal note...I know a few vegetarians. They're wussbags.
Good advice! Or try this page for a concise summary of what food to eat and why:
http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
pic, I'm rightly guided enough to have not needed the ministerations of a "Doctor" for close to 20 years.
May I suggest My Year In Meats by Ruth Ozaki?
Oh and by the way, Science is Owned.
Fascinating discussion upthread. If anyone does do the ph strip test, be fascinating too see. :-)
Stay healthy everyone.
ori
Midwest carnivore here, but coming around to salad-based meals, smattered with nuts and berries.
It makes sense that we stick to the types of food that fueled humans for the past 10,000 years. That diet allowed us to develop to the point that derivative food and financial instruments rule today. This may have signalled some sort of human peak.
I'm not against animal protein, but all I know is I feel better and think more clearly with a large variety (10+) of different vegetables in my system each day.
This Ted clip was important in my change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc&feature=player_embedded
A worthwhile 17 minutes. I like the common sense that we do not know the best diet, but all we have to do is make most of the possible nutrients available to our digestive systems and these "magic sieves" we call bodies are perfectly equiped to take what they need.
PBS has a good nutrition special with a focus on micronutrients, too.
I also feel less hungry and accept the logic that some hunger may be based on small quantities of missing micro-nutrients and our bodies just keep signaling EAT until its needs are met.
Step one to stem the trend discussed in the article is to have all public employees pay at least 20% of their health insurance premium.
All our recent economic failures seem to have a lack of skin in the game at their core. When it comes to health, we all have skin in the game, but public policy needs to ensure that everyone goes joint and several with their own diet, exercise, and health decisions.
Another US citizen historian.
But laughable. Woo, US citizenslove to build their own fantasy.
Human beings eating meat for 10,000 years? Now and then.
Certainly not as much as today, even the nobles. And we know the fascination US citizens have for nobility life style, they started a revolution so they could live the noble life.
In the west, that would be more porridge (in good days, milk based porridge, ) , onions and cabbage.
But hey, US citizenism is as US citizen does so...
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
-George Orwell
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
-George Orwell
“The greatest enemy of clear language is insincerity.”
-George Orwell
“Sanity is not statistical.”
-George Orwell
“We do not merely destroy our enemies; we change them.”
-George Orwell, 1984
In fact to modern americans, hunger is not even a feeling that they are familiar with. The stomach cramps, headache, et all are NOT signs of hunger, but catabolism where your body is trying to process out all the toxic crap you ate for your las meal.
Did you see the Dr. Fuhrman special on PBS before the dorky looking nutrient guy? He will change your life.
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
pods
Oh regional Indian
Modern medicine is mostly a great scam designed to pump people full of unnecessary drugs while heightening their fears of death.
Ever have a docter give you a DNA test to find out what you are prone too? Doesn't happen, blood tests, urine tests, sleep tests yadda yadda yadda.
Read what I posted below about things like Salt and Cholesterol.
Google up Harry Hoxey and his Cancer clinic.
What was the last disease ever cured?
Think about it, it's all about "maintenance".
http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/272/17/1335.abstract?ijkey=01664bb64dcb...
Results. —Elevated total serum cholesterol level, low HDL-C, and high total serum cholesterol to HDL-C ratio were not associated with a significantly higher rate of all-cause mortality, coronary heart disease mortality, or hospitalization for myocardial infarction or unstable angina after adjustment for cardiovascular risk factors. The risk factor—adjusted odds ratio for all-cause mortality was 0.99 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.56 to 2.69) for the group who had cholesterol levels greater than or equal to 6.20 mmol/L (?240 mg/dL) compared with the group that had levels less than 5.20 mmol/L (<200 mg/dL); 1.00 (95% CI, 0.59 to 1.70) for the group in the lowest tertile of HDL-C compared with those in the highest tertile; and 1.03 (95% CI, 0.62 to 1.71) for subjects in the highest tertile of the ratio of total serum cholesterol to HDL-C compared with those in the lowest tertile.
Conclusions. —Our findings do not support the hypothesis that hypercholesterolemia or low HDL-C are important risk factors for all-cause mortality, coronary heart disease mortality, or hospitalization for myocardial infarction or unstable angina in this cohort of persons older than 70 years.
If high Cholesterol doesn't kill "persons older than 70 years", then why the fuck would it kill younger people? Less frail bodies can't handle elvated Cholesterol?
The cholesterol issue is both a fraud and a farce. All of ascorbate, bioflavonoid, magnesium and even potassium deficiency are the leading indicators of chronic inflammation leading to both atherosclerosis and arteriosclerosis. Even organic sodium deficiency effects mortality rate concerning heart or coronary artery disease.
Enough with the bold print - it is straining my eyes will have to go to the Doc to get some pills.
That study did not show much difference simply due to the fact that even the low cholesterol group has high cholesterol, or at least cut off for the low group does.
High cholesterol is a marker for inflamation. Including atherosclerosis.
pods
Gully, as always, really appreciate your posts/responses. Awesome depth.
ori
Epic face palm.
Seeing as though the hunter-gatherer has existed for hundreds of thousands of years on meat and somehow made it long enough for you to get a keyboard and type a bunch of nonsense, I have to LOL at this.
Oh no, not this 'meat makes you acidic and acid is "bad" crap again.
You're a misguided fool if you actually beleive this.
Simple.
Disclaimer; long sustainable farming, hedged with plenty of shares of YUM.
Only US citizen is enough.
You can also drink your piss and eat your own poo, you will survive.
Do you eat your meat raw or do you cook it? How many years humans beings have been eating raw meat over eating cooked meat?
US pseudoevolutionist science strikes once again.
US world order.
Holy shit, and where did you get your science education from? From the inebriated university at home study course. Sure you can drink your own urine, and eat your own feces, but what the hell does that have to do with people eating raw or cooked meat. People would kill their prey and eat the meat immediately and drink the blood for nourishment and hydration. Your points are both bizzare and sound like a lot like your own pseudo opinions and frankly bullshit. But if you must spout, than a wonderful job you commit to.
Humans have the most diverse diet on the planet. Evolution bitzhes. No other critter has the bandwidth that humans do when it comes to eating stuff.
In a million years how great will this bandwidth become or how narrow? Thats the question for now humans can eat just about anything, and like it. lol
Well if present trends continue, Wall-E seems about right.
pods
A close second is Beer and then alcohol in general
Sorry ORI but I call "bullshit"... People are omnivores (just look at the teeth), and during times drank more alcohol (beers, grogs, whatever could be made), than water because of water sanitation issues...
during times drank more alcohol (beers, grogs, whatever could be made), than water because of water sanitation issues...
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That is quite powerful.
US citizens have that power.
So people used to drink alcohol for health cause, because drinking alcohol is healthier than drinking unclean water.
But what?
In absence of clean water to drink better to drink alcohol.
It can not be that in presence of clean water, it is healthier to drink clean water over alcohol.
That is the way it is in US citizen.
So once again, instead of speaking of heath concerns, maybe it is better to tell as it is.
Pleasure.
There are a lot of benefits in drinking beer. Provides calcium for the bones. Reduces the risk of Stroke, & Heart Attacks. Lots of vitamins.
What is also interesting is that Beer was made by the Women in Egypt. The Beer was made as a way to store their grains for the long term. It was often used a payment for a days wages and considered liquid bread.
More people should drink Beer. It appears to have gotten a bad name because Americans seem to frown on anyone that drinks anything that contains alcohol daily.
http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/egypt_alcohol.html
It appears to have gotten a bad name because Americans seem to frown on anyone that drinks anything that contains alcohol daily.
Not to speak for everyone, but I always thought that's because AMERICAN BEER SUCKS.
There are quite tasty micro brews in America. You have to look for them and they are more expensive, you also need a bottle opener or skill. But they are quiet tasty. Have fun with your search.
"American beer sucks" should be amended - CORPORATE BEER SUCKS - particularly because it's a global issue now that "takeovers" are eating up the smaller breweries. . .
agree that "micro brews" are a good alternative, and amrka has some great ones - still miss the belgian beers like duvel, gueuze, the lambic beers like kriek, not the same bottled & imported. . . but it'll do when necessary, ha.
Agree. Industrial beer tastes like shit no matter where it's made. Real beer tastes like nectar, no matter where it's made. There is a LOT or real beer made in the US. In my humble opinion, American beer is the best in the world. Nowhere else is there so much real beer produced. I prefer the taste to that of most of the Belgian stuff, and have done considerable research to back up my opinion.
Fuck industrial beer.
I homebrewed for many years. Unfiltered brewers yeast is a fantastic source of b complex and other stuff.
"Not to speak for everyone, but I always thought that's because AMERICAN BEER SUCKS."
lol That might be because many Americans like cheap beer. Budweiser is not so bad. I love it with fried chicken.
I noticed about 10 years ago Americans' taste buds started to work again. Not only beer but coffee (folgers, etc) blends also sucked big time. It gave birth to starbucks and the micro-brewing frenzy of the 2000s. You can now find really good American beers like sam adams. Good coffee. None of that Robusta blend bullshit that gave me the shakes, but 100% arabica that has lower caffeine content.
+100
Although there are some nice local efforts around the country. Unfortunately, Wisconsin and others keeps them in state.
Tell that to someone who was diagnosed at 40 of having iron deficiency. Likely had most of the life.
Start a vampire carreer. It is trendy and will mend the issue.
Iron deficiency is another word for anemia. right? You been anemic for a while and it wasn't picked up in any of your physicals?
That is tough chief.
I was only slightly anemic, as an adult even donated blood often and their quick iron test never raised a flag.
However finally one veteran doctor looked at my blood through a microscope and stated "your red blood cells are small, too small."
Started taking iron pills and suddenly I could do the most exhausting sports breathing calmly - always had been catching wind all my life before...