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Guest Post: You Didn’t Build That

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics,


If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business–you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the internet so that all the companies could make money off the internet.

Much of the blogosphere has defended Obama’s statement, along one of two lines:

  1. That Obama didn’t mean that business-owners didn’t build their businesses — he was talking about infrastructure creation and the wider economic, legal and political system.
  2. That Obama is right — and businesses owners are really not responsible for building their businesses.

Both of these arguments are nonsensical.

Economic and business growth is a complex and multi-dimensional thing, driven by the complex relationship between both supply and demand. To claim that those who put the legwork into building a business — whether that is the owners, or workers — “didn’t build” the business is totally false and absurd.

And even if Obama was talking about infrastructure and the wider economic system (which I suspect was the case) it is taxpayers who fund infrastructure creation, and the overwhelming majority of businesses and business owners (other than the bailed-out financial institutions and similar) contribute heavily to tax revenue.

Whichever way we look at it tax-paying business owners past and present — particularly small businesses, who create far more jobs than their larger corporate counter-parts — built not only their businesses, but also contributed to and funded the wider economic system and the institutions of the state.

Obama and his speechwriters ought to look more carefully at the country they desire to be elected to lead. Obama’s comments are hostile to the moral and intellectual foundations on which America has been built — the celebrated ideals of individualism and the self-made man.

As the former slave and abolitionist Frederick Douglass noted:

Self-made men are the men who, under peculiar difficulties and without the ordinary helps of favouring circumstances, have attained knowledge, usefulness, power and position and have learned from themselves the best uses to which life can be put in this world, and in the exercises of these uses to build up worthy character. In fact they are the men who are not brought up but who are obliged to come up, not only without the voluntary assistance or friendly co-operation of society, but often in open and derisive defiance of all the efforts of society and the tendency of circumstances to repress, retard and keep them down.

I wish we had a Republican Presidential candidate who acted in the spirit of Douglass.

Although Romney will outwardly claim to subscribe to Douglass’ values, his record suggests otherwise. The 2012 Presidential election is between two architects of socialised healthcare, two defenders of government bailouts, two advocates of pre-emptive warfare and indefinite detention without trial.

America, I think, still has a free spirit — although less than she once did. Yet Americans have been browbeaten by two political parties who are largely hostile to the old American ideals of individual liberty, individual responsibility, nonconformism and the frontier spirit.

Yet I am an individualist. If we as individuals are willing to accept the erosion of our liberty, we have only ourselves to blame.


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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:03 | 2651238 Squishi
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Obama Likes slavery!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:16 | 2651269 iDealMeat
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Last I checked the govt. gets bids from the private sector to build infrastructure..


The reality is that all the slaves in China built the tools we use to build it..

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:19 | 2651287 HelluvaEngineer
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One word: Blacklist

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:05 | 2651424 TruthInSunshine
Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:00 | 2651577 Captain Kurtz
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Indeed there isn't.  But what many fail to grasp is that you do not open an american small business in the D.R.C or Downtown Mogadishu.  It takes more than just bridges and laws to create a great society.  It takes enforecement.  Y'all need to chill because Obama just schooled everyone on how has the keys to the F-22's and it aint the 1%.  What government gives it can also take away- that is unless the people dont support it.  Seems like until we get to that point one could deem that as tacit approval. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:08 | 2651593 Beam Me Up Scotty
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I'm third generation family business. Employ about 180 people. Guess who the highest paid employee's Uncle Sam. When you factor in payroll taxes, income taxes and all the other taxes Uncle Sam takes the most from our business bar none. And Uncle Sam doesn't have to worry if someone doesn't show up for work or calls in sick. He gets his paycheck no matter what.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:44 | 2651695 grey7beard
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Idiot statistics. 

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 00:22 | 2652070 smlbizman
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i went toe to toe for 20 yrs....this year i finally threw in the towel....between the quarterlys, and the constant abuse by the owe malley admin. in md......i no longer contribute...over the last 2 yrs i dismantled my ira...paid the taxes and fees for leaving the party...everyone should set up some type of business to take advantage of the system....i truly feel sorry for the forty hour paycheck collectors, who are captive in this system....on the other hand, imo most forty hour collectors look at the take home and dont even realize they are the biggest of the fools...i could be wrong

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:29 | 2652154 yrbmegr
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People used to respect wage earners.  It used to be honorable to work at a job and get paid for it.  Now, they're just "forty hour collectors".  They're just "collectors", implying they don't contribute anything.  There are too many people that do not respect work for wages any more.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 21:05 | 2655272 smlbizman
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you wernt even close with what you thought i implied....let me a business person i have accsess to tax advantages that a typical employee i may make lets use a 100k...but when they (cpa's) get done, i made way south of 100k...thru depreciations etc., hell i could almost qualify for food stamps ..... now an engineer who works for xyz makes 100k.... mort. ded.  kids and he only pays on taxes on you can change ur assumption now....

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:46 | 2651707 billwilson
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And probably prvides the best value of any employee. How else did your employees learn to read and write (did you teach them?), how did they get to work (did you pick them up on your horse?), who makes sure there is a legal system,a nd a court system, and .... It is not like you are paying a fortuen and getting nothing in return (just look at all that nice military equipment and foreign wars you get too - one HUGE chunck of government expenses).

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 22:40 | 2651824 A Nanny Moose
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Without a State the earth would literally stop turning. Got it.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:26 | 2651964 TruthInSunshine
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So many people forget the genuine wisdom of older generations of Americans, who told the government that it worked for them, first and foremost, in good times and bad. There's no way in hell that they would tolerate the current size of federal, state and local government, with its 22 million DIRECT employees (that number doesn't include contrators who essentially do the work of government agencies, so don't let a very disingenuous Paul Krugman or Henry Blodget hoodwink you with claims of "government in shrinkage mode," which is total bullshit).

Now, we have a pussified nation where it's commonly accepted that government is to be fed and engorged off the sweat and toil of productive private sector workers, no questions asked, and with no reasonable limits imposed on the massive, ever growing, Orwellian Hand of Big Brother & Big 'Sis.

So, pussified American should ask of their government worker overlords: "Massa, what can I do for you to make your life easier?"


Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:30 | 2652157 yrbmegr
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Without a state, sombody would be breaking into your house and taking your stuff and killing you right now.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:48 | 2652175 Lucky Guesst
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Without alternative media the state would be breaking into your house and taking your stuff and killing you right now.


There, I fixed it for you.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 02:00 | 2652177 TruthInSunshine
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@ yrbmegr sockpuppet v.2.0:

First of all, can you cite where I stated anything about "without a state?"  Was I not speaking of the size of government and its employee base relative to that of the private economy?

Second, were the crimes you describe more or less prevalent when government was about 1/25th the size it is now, relative to the total population?

Third, you presume much about the ability of anyone or any group of people to successfully perpetuate those crimes against my person and property given that you know nothing about me, no?


Your literally insane comment reminds me of this:    

The Chancellor - YouTube



Thu, 07/26/2012 - 05:45 | 2652295 Ar-Pharazôn
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that's what the governement want you to believe brainwashed guy!


if you have a gun you can fire back, and if someone is coming in your house how much time will need the police to come? too much for sure

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 19:24 | 2655031 Captain Kurtz
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if your awake all night on lookut for the roving gangs of bandits your ass aint getting no sleep.  Then how are you supposed to have a job?

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:17 | 2652421 Treeplanter
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Who exactly wants to abolish the state?  Another imaginary Obama strawman.   

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 14:44 | 2654002 Anusocracy
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Raises hand.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 23:31 | 2651948 WatchnSee
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Billwilson=Dipshit. Now I feel better.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 23:33 | 2651954 Inspector Bird
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I went to private schools.  My mom raised six kids and sent them all to private schools.  Without government assistance, too.

Did I have a teacher who inspired me?  Sure.  After I've become successful, I still won't credit them for doing anything which I did on my own.  Why should I?  Did they do it?  No.  They just inspired me.  So did my mom, but I don't see her making any claims on my success.

Did I use roads?  Yep.  Oddly enough, those roads were paid for by taxes paid by businesses and private individuals, and in most cases while the government handled the bidding process, private companies built them. Regardless, if you truly believe the government was valuable, then you also assume that roads HAVE to be built by the government.  Ahem.  The first roads in the US were private roads, and earned a profit.  Could that have continued?  Sure.  The government was asked to step in because the individual firms managing these roads found it difficult to standardize.  Today, that kind of thing happens naturally (USB ports, for example) because companies recognize the value of working together.  It's not NECESSARY for the government to provide roads, it's just how it happened. 

Bridges were originally all private too.  Brooklyn?  Private Enterprise built it.  It was essentially stolen by Tammany Hall. 


There is no RULE that says these things Obama claims for government MUST be provided by government, it's just turned out that way and nobody has questioned it.  More importantly, these businesses WERE built by hard working people with great ideas and lots of effort.  Did Obama build them?  No, actually he made building them more difficult with his tax structure and confusing approach to managing the economy.

Screw Obama. He's a liar, and he has no sense of context since all he ever was is a freeloader. 

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:37 | 2652166 yrbmegr
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You say it's not necessary that government build the roads, that it just happened that way.  But it wasn't just by random happenstance that it happened that way.  It happened that way for good reasons, the same reasons that it has happened that way in other countries and other times.  Who built the roads in the Roman Empire?  Not private businesses.  Who built the roads in the British Empire?  Government does it because that's how it gets done best.  All economists recognize this.  There's even a term of art for it.  And Obama never said that people who built businesses did not build them.  You're just speaking Fox News speak.  He said those business owners did not build the infrastructure from which they benefit, and which facilitated the building of their businesses.  And he's absolutely right.  If you deny it, then prove it by building a business in Somalia or Haiti.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:44 | 2652174 Colonel
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There's the ridiculous "roads" theme again. Leftard idiots.

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 07:00 | 2655762 Kobe Beef
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They left out "airports & bridges" from the Holy Infrastructure Trinity

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 05:48 | 2652299 Ar-Pharazôn
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lol and tell me, who pay for roads and bridges? the governement? LOL and WHO THE HELL PAY TAXES?

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 06:28 | 2652326 overmedicatedun...
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to all those obuma is wise fools fuck off.

his statements are boiled down to this: wealth comes from government not the sucessful tax unit.

remember gov gave trillions to banksters so he is right about that sector. but about business that makes real items not paper..he is so wrong and all of us even the obuma bots know it as they spin like tops trying to make this unk ? obuma seem rational, he is the first president to have no history,no country, no father, a virgin birth perhaps?

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 06:39 | 2652335 Jacks Creation
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yrbmegr stated Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:37:-

"You say it's not necessary that government build the roads, that it just happened that way.  But it wasn't just by random happenstance that it happened that way.  It happened that way for good reasons, the same reasons that it has happened that way in other countries and other times.  Who built the roads in the Roman Empire?  Not private businesses.  Who built the roads in the British Empire?  Government does it because that's how it gets done best.  All economists recognize this.  There's even a term of art for it.  And Obama never said that people who built businesses did not build them.  You're just speaking Fox News speak.  He said those business owners did not build the infrastructure from which they benefit, and which facilitated the building of their businesses.  And he's absolutely right.  If you deny it, then prove it by building a business in Somalia or Haiti."


So, there are no roads or businesses in Haiti or Somalia?



Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:38 | 2652472 Treeplanter
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Obama revealed his hostikity for private enterprise.  That's the issue.  

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 10:28 | 2653064 Dangertime
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"He said those business owners did not build the infrastructure from which they benefit, and which facilitated the building of their businesses.  And he's absolutely right.  If you deny it, then prove it by building a business in Somalia or Haiti."



The part you ignore is that EVERYONE benefits from the infrastructure, but only a FEW take the risk and labor associated with building a business off of it.


Therefore, they still built it themselves when compared to the retarded socialist idiots who sit around all day complaining that nobody is giving them anything.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 12:49 | 2653639 4exNinja
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Which means they also use those roads and systems more than the average person!!! Take Coca Cola for example...I'm pretty sure they use the road system waaaaaaaay more than I do. What about the Internet? Without government research funding it in the first place Facebook & Co. wouldn't have a platform today. 

Your argument is incredibly short sighted...

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 14:58 | 2654039 Anusocracy
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Everything you post has a large degree of inaccuracy in it, bordering on lying.

Most early roads were trade routes used and eventually taken over by governments. Nascent city-states didn't make roads but they sure did use them for war and plunder.

And as for Solmalia, get every fucking foreign government out of it and it wll prosper. They don't want the con game being forced on them.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:26 | 2652445 Treeplanter
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Marxist misdirection.  Obama built zero.  He was indoctinated to hate free enterpri and success. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:54 | 2651724 Michael
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The USA CAN'T have any more job growth period, get use to it because of NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT/WTO, and other unfair trade agreements.

No Jobs, No Jobs, No Jobs for the USA ever again! Too fucking bad.

In all the wasted breath about job creation, I hear no talk of the reasons why the US can't have job growth and why people had better just get used to it. Either that or get rid of the trade treaties to get job growth which ain't never going to happen till after the complete and total worldwide economic collapse.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:58 | 2651734 nick howdy
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Yea the globalization worky, but the folks who thought it up won't be convinced until there is a lot of dead people laying in the streets...But even then they may need more proof..

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:30 | 2652455 Treeplanter
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Whining is a lot easier than working to correct these problems.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:39 | 2652168 amadeusb4
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You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded. Don't worry scro. There are plenty of tards out there livin' kickass lives.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 19:20 | 2655023 Captain Kurtz
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You dont have to speak German though.  You can thank Uncle Sam for that shit.  Of course you'll argue that band of Americans would of swam across the ocean all by themselves and fought ze germans bare knuckled.  ZH has gone down hill.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:07 | 2652392 Treeplanter
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Incoherent.  Try again.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:18 | 2652425 bobnoxy
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It seems Obama's not alone in thinking this. I know, shocking, huh? Skip to the 1:45 mark and prepare to soil yourselves.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:27 | 2651313 booboo
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iDealMeat, THANK YOU for pointing that out, the DOT just sits in their trucks and looks at porn.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:47 | 2651375 ACP
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Oh no, Obama's comment was taken out of context, just like when he said:

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:07 | 2651428 Muppet of the U...
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Yo Obama, I built a coffin for you!  Hand-made, self taught, perfect.  OBOBOBOBO don't get mad brah, you're taking it out of context.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:46 | 2651542 FlyoverCountryS...
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That truth is very inconvenient, and quite possibly a THOUGHT CRIME!

You must be a 'phobe, or a rassis!, or sumpin, for noting this!!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:51 | 2651558 Kyron95131
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yeah they bid out to poeple that are on the list, good luck getting on it if your not in the club. unless you can employe 30 lobbyists like haliburton can.

and yes your second sentence is true.

having said both those things and having a basic sense of mathematics is the reason im pretty sure this country is not only fucked but at this point beyond hope.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 22:35 | 2651811 A Nanny Moose
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Indeed. Just to emphasize, private sector must first create wealth before it can be stolen by unelected tyrants.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:33 | 2651329 RockyRacoon
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This "you didn't build this" horse has been dead a long time, yet it is still being beaten.  Opinions have ossified on the matter so no more lipstick on this pig is going to make it more attractive.  (Sorry for the mixed metaphor...)

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:11 | 2651438 XenoFrog
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The meme will be around for a long time, as it is hilarious. Get used to it.  And Obama absolutely wasn't referencing infrastructure when he said, "You didn't build that" because he didn't pluralize it in the context of the previous statements. The only singular topic in the previous sentences was this hypothetical person's business.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:46 | 2651708 Anusocracy
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If you try to understand Obama's words in context of his liberal/hunter-gatherer morality, you will see their consistency.

The tribe was basically the reason for your survival.

When farming, herding, and towns arose, conservative morality developed from the hunter-gatherer morality. Self-sufficiency and individualism began to replace the interdependency of the tribe.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:44 | 2652495 Treeplanter
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The context of Marxism.  They're missing you at the collective. 

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 15:26 | 2654116 Anusocracy
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Marxism is an economic system based on hunter-gatherer morality. It's 10,000 years out of date, but it still survives.

The 10,000 year war between hunter-gatherers and townsfolk now exists as a war of political and economic beliefs between liberals and conservatives. It was, and still is, a conflict between two systems of survival.

And I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:47 | 2651712 billwilson
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I'm sorry but you are an IDIOT, and probably illiterate too!

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 00:02 | 2652029 RockyRacoon
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That's funny.  Were you a contortionist in the circus in an earlier life?

The real issue has been smothered in many layers of obfuscation and misdirection.

When the issue has to be massaged into a syntax argument, the battle has been lost.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 01:40 | 2652169 yrbmegr
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:35 | 2651671 Go Tribe
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Have a little "redistribute wealth" with that dead horse.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:41 | 2651528 Shizzmoney
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I wish Frederick Douglass was the first black president.

We'd probably be in better shape right about now. 

But sadly, the men who speak sense in this country, are often the ones silenced. 

Thomas Payne, Frederick Douglass, William Bryan Jennings, Malcolm X, JFK, MLK Jr, RFK, John O'Neill, the list goes on.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:16 | 2652417 bobnoxy
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He said what?! Skip to the 1:45 mark. I know, shocking Socialist talk, huh?!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:05 | 2651245 Peter Pan
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Obama's next election slgan.....ANYTHING YOU BUILD WE CAN DEMOLISH....YES WE CAN

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:06 | 2651246 GernB
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Who is Douglas' barber. I want that hair style.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:07 | 2651252 Turin Turambar
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Did he have the same barber as Karl Marx?  :-O

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 22:43 | 2651828 A Nanny Moose
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You read my mind.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:17 | 2651453 billsykes
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I think its called the rent is too damn high hairstyle.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:09 | 2651248 TruthInSunshine
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Who is Harry Houdini?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:12 | 2651264 White.Star.Line
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He's the man that created wealth out of thin air.

Obamas right - we didn't build it. Debt did.
And when debt collects, the "rightful" owners will show you.......

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 22:46 | 2651834 A Nanny Moose
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Obamas right - we didn't build it. Debt did.

Somebody built it. The debt just means we have yet to pay for it. Wimpynomics.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:16 | 2651283 Peter Pan
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Who is Harry Houdini?
Why Jon Corzine of course!!!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:35 | 2651333 TheSilverJournal
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Jon Corzine is more like the Joke: "I will make this pencil (money) disappear!"

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:07 | 2651249 The Watchman
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Building inspector came in right behind him and made her tear it down. No permit. Go figure.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:07 | 2651250 solgundy
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F BO he's been on the dole since he was born...where ever that was

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:37 | 2651517 nonclaim
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No sure where he was born but by his own words he is clearly a lunatic.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:59 | 2651576 duo
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he may have been born in 1961, but he was hatched in 2006

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:49 | 2651718 billwilson
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You people are un fucking believeable. Pretty good eveidence that the US has some of the least educated, most racist, and by far most ignorant people on the planet.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 23:38 | 2651973 WatchnSee
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:10 | 2651256 Dr. Engali
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I get sick of looking at ,and listening to that clown. I didn't think listening to a person speak could grate in my nerves worse than Bush...... Then along came Obama.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:18 | 2651285 covsire
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Bush's actions were smarter than Obama's words.  I think everyone but the most enthralled liberal knows that by now.  You can forgive a guy for a speech impediment or the way they were raised, but you can't forgive willing ignorance and animisoity towards our country.  Thats why I refuse to listen to Obama on anything.  His past lies and modus operandi of deceit and rampant chaos he is waging on us makes him like glass on a chalkboard.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:32 | 2651321 Bananamerican
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no one but the most buck-toothed, blinkered, revisionist, cretin could defend BUSH on ANY grounds.

End of fucking story

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:33 | 2651330 covsire
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While you play "lalala" the adults will be in the other room.  Come get us if you need to refill your sippy cup.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:06 | 2651346 Bananamerican
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< I am intelligent

< I love me some Bush (an' I DON'T mean the EATIN' Kind neether!!)


honest to God, when the Foxtards git riled on ZH it'sa like lisnin' ta 2 Romans goin' at it in the olden days...

"Yea, Caligula was bad but at least he was FUN! NERO is WRECKING THINGS!!!"

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:45 | 2651700 NidStyles
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No one on ZH watches Fox, that is why we as Individuals are here.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:35 | 2651335 knightowl77
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not that it matters 1 teeeny weenie bit, but Bush was badddddd. Obummer is an unmitigated disaster who will wreck this country either out of ignorance or by following some bankers' orders

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:04 | 2651418 Ricky Bobby
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I can proudly state that I have never listened to one word from chalky and I might add not one word from Mittens either. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:08 | 2651433 Bananamerican
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I can dig it...but tell me this....

Did YOU vote for Bush?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:47 | 2651543 dougngen
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why yes, yes I did. ... it was that or the guy from the communist hall of heros John Kerry

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:17 | 2651623's picture

What about Nader or Buchanan or nobody at all?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 23:02 | 2651870 knukles
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I've been waiting for John Godot.
Whoever he is.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 23:10 | 2651888 JohnG
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You rang?

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:53 | 2652526 Treeplanter
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I voted for Nader because he defends the Constitution and fights crony capitalism. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:58 | 2651575 mendolover
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I replace Bush with Clinton.  Special place in hell for that motherfucker.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:12 | 2651263 Gringo Viejo
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Don't blame me. I'm in my 60s and saw this coming. I'm also from Virginia, my GG Grandfather was a Confederate officer,  and by extension,  I MUST be a racist. Nevertheless, I SAW THIS COMING!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:18 | 2651457 Ricky Bobby
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Half my kin were confederates too. A good part of them fled to North Florida to escape the carpet baggers. Unfortunately the Yankee mother fuckers have caught up to me and there is no where to hide. Hell there all over the world now bringing freedom to all of the oppressed peoples. One thing I can say is the Rebs really screwed up with their tactics, should have gone guerilla from day one with a 30 year plan of attrition. Marching gallantly into defensive rifle fire was just plain suicidal.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 07:58 | 2652542 Treeplanter
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How old are you? 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:13 | 2651268 Segestan
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I guess no one got the memo..... we're all communist now.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:16 | 2651279 Gazooks
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fuckin'A, comrade

Fri, 07/27/2012 - 07:11 | 2655783 Kobe Beef
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I'd rather die a kulak, tovarisch.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:14 | 2651271 rosiescenario
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Really, given the double layers of government red tape and regulations out here in sunny CA, it should read:


"Wow, you were actually able to build that despite state and Federal governments' best efforts to squash you?"


....and Moonbeam had to send a task force from CA to Texas to find out why Texas was attracting new companies....all he needed to do was look in his own backyard and realize the byzantine regulations and hoards of regulators were making any sane entrepreneur go out of his state.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:24 | 2651301 Everybodys All ...
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do me a favor and send some conservatives to Washington. California gives us Pelosi, Boxer, Maxine Waters, etc. Thanks.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 23:04 | 2651874 knukles
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4 thumbs (all on the same hand) up for Maxine

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:23 | 2651302 GeezerGeek
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Brown could have simply held a seance and contacted Sonny Bono. Sonny got into politics because of bureaucratic red tape.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:47 | 2651545 Clashfan
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He likely was an intel agent or a connected guy from the beginning. The circumstances and timing of his death are certainly odd. I'll never forget him crying during the Waco hearings. It was touching.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:41 | 2651687 Jena
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Y'know, Sonny did good things for Palm Springs as mayor.  The International Film Festival that he started has grown considerably and he put an end to the swarms of spring break kids.  Unfortunately, that momentum didn't last and the town is back to tshirt & trinket shops.  It seemed he was an okay legislator in the short time he was in office.  I can't say the same for his former wife, who took over his office.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:36 | 2651675 SoCalBusted
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It's been done before but have to throw this in whenever anyone mentions the Brown stain...




Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:15 | 2651272 gibbs
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I strongly suspect that "wasn't" the case.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:15 | 2651273 GeezerGeek
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Give Obama a break, he really believes this idiocy. In fact, he's lived it:

About that autobiographical memoir you wrote. You didn't write it. Somebody else wrote it for you.

About that Nobel Peace Prize. You didn't earn it. Someone else awarded it to you.

Given the overwhelming literary proof that he didn't write "Dreams From My Father" or do anything to deserve the Peace prize, it's only natural for him to believe that anything that anyone has was a gift from someone else. In fact, his life is devoid of real accomplishments, except for getting elected time and time again.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:27 | 2651312 covsire
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The most alarming thing is that the people who believe his words were taken out of context, then go and defend and acquit of him any wrongdoing.  As if him referring to the roads was any better.  Obama lives in a fantasy world where government supports itself.  Roads were built by the government!  The govenrment paid for them!  Never mind the pesky things called facts, like the money (read: capital) coming directly and exclusively from the private sector. 

I want to grab the next liberal fool who defends Obama on this and yell "The private sector funded and built all roads, all defense systems, all capitol buildings, all of your foolish government sponsored programs"

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:13 | 2651544 Cabreado
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Yes (I agree),

but ain't it fascinating how, before we know it, we're all distracted by a few stupid words of a farcical leader.

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 02:59 | 2652220 RichardP
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Simple question puts the discussion into perspective:  Who among us can do everything all by themselves?  None.  End of discussion, as that is the point that was being made.

You can extend that concept to another correct statement: nobody builds any business all by themselves.  (What sort of business could you build if none of the things you use in the business - made by someone else - existed?)  The truth of that is so obvious it is realistic to ask what is the point of making the statement?  Start from there to figure out what Obama was talking about.  If you don't get it, that doesn't mean Obama is stupid.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:16 | 2651280 aminorex
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knee jerk much?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:16 | 2651281 The Fonz...befo...
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Let SOMEBODY pay my taxes then....

Can't wait to file the companies taxes...what's that revenue? Those earnings? Not mine apparently somebody else's so....Ipso facto I ain't paying shit...because SOMEBODY else is....

I really like this SOMEBODY person...very helpful

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:55 | 2651392 Matt
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I didn't earn this money; sombody else did. So go collect from them.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:19 | 2651286 Neethgie
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obama's eloquence has really gone to shit hasnt it, i would have agreed with his statement if he said nobody in live thrives alone, or no man is an island to that effect, so we should give concern to others. However him ranting about how somebody didnt build something makes absolutely no sense at all and was quite widely insulting, of course people built their buisiness of course they built their success did they do it alone? no, but did they have it given to them and are just taking credit? not at all, dude needs to get the 2008 speachwriters in;

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:27 | 2651311 GeezerGeek
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It all makes one wonder: if being successful is so easy, why doesn't everyone do it? Eliminate SNAP, eliminate Medicaid, eliminate unemployment insurance. It's so easy to be a success because someone else will do it for you.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:24 | 2651649's picture

That was likely the original thought that set Rand to writing Atlas Shrugged. The entire novel follows from that question.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:20 | 2651289 malek
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That caption is priceless!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:20 | 2651290 Careless Whisper
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Obama and his speechwriters

He only had one speechwriter for this one - that was Elizabeth Warren, who gave the same speech a year ago.

Apparently they really believe this stuff.



Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:32 | 2651326 Rearranging Dec...
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I actually have a lot of respect for her except for that whole diversity native american thing. She has been at the forefront of taking on the banking interests and trying to fight their complete raping of the rest of society. Yes she's an academic but how many of the Harvardites ever take on the bankers in any shape or form?


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:49 | 2651378 Bay of Pigs
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It appears shes gone off the deep end, which more than qualifies her to run for office these days. 

Thu, 07/26/2012 - 12:38 | 2653598 Rearranging Dec...
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In this article she comes out for transparency in consumer finance markets. How is it that you ZH's are all opposed to things like that? 


Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:36 | 2651513 harleyjohn45
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native american my ass.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:23 | 2651644 Miss Expectations
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Here's hoping that she shows up at the Democratic Convention at the Panther Stadium in Charlotte...Cause it's not too far from the Cherokee Indian Reservation.  (She probably doesn't know that.)

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:21 | 2651294 JR
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The pre-emptive warfare, which you say both candidates favor, is best described as the surrender to Israel. And as much as Obama has given, nobody can get on their knees and crawl toward servitude to every possible whim of Israel and the U.S. Zionists (State of Israel interests take precedent over U.S. interests) as Mitt Romney.  Here’s Romney on Israel speaking to the veterans :

Romney: Obama Doesn’t Love Israel Enough - Romney's accusations were as shrewdly political as they were divorced from reality | John Glaser | July 24, 2012

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said in an address on Tuesday that President Obama has not been enough of an ally to Israel, and Israelis deserve a more loyal US president.

Speaking at the Veterans of Foreign Wars National Convention in Reno, Nevada on his upcoming visit to Israel, Romney played the old, predictable political card of who’s a more committed, blind follower and supporter of Israel. It was done purely for political points, and had no substantive motivation or relation to reality.

“He has undermined their position, which was tough enough as it was. And even at the United Nations, to the enthusiastic applause of Israel’s enemies, he spoke as if our closest ally in the Middle East was the problem,” Romney added.

Romney then said that the “people of Israel deserve better than what they have received from the leader of the free world.”

Obama’s staunch support of Israel is never enough for his ideological neoconservative detractors. As Jacob Heilbrunn at the National Interest has written, Obama “condemned the Palestinian drive for statehood at the United Nations. Not enough. He awarded Israel $3 billion in military assistance, an all-time high. Not enough. He repeatedly avowed his commitment to Israel’s security and well-being. Still not enough.”

Or, as Vice President Joe Biden said in his response to Romney’s charges:”We’ve provided record levels of security assistance, funding for the Iron Dome missile defense system that intercepted nearly 80 percent of the rockets recently fired from Gaza, close collaboration on longer range missile defense systems, the largest joint military exercises in history, the most consistent and comprehensive exchanges ever between our top political, defense, security and intelligence officials.”

Biden added, “And, contrary to Governor Romney’s outrageous accusation that the President joined in the chorus of insults levied against Israel at the United Nations, President Obama has stood up repeatedly, publicly and often alone against efforts to delegitimize Israel at the UN and around the world.”

America’s unwavering and excessive material and diplomatic support for Israel, which ends up aiding and justifying all kinds of crimes against the Palestinian people, has proven patently contrary to US interests. This so-called special relationship is destructive to the stability of the Middle East and to any kind of viable political settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:22 | 2651296 Town Crier
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Forgive him.  How would he know what entrepreneurism is?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:23 | 2651300 fonzannoon
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Obama this Bush makes for great conversation. Almost takes away from the fasten seatbelt sign blaring and the captain screaming something about engine failure in the cockpit as we head 400mph toward the ground.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:42 | 2651355 nasa
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Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:23 | 2651303 Huntly
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So how about we get rid of Patents so that everyone can build everything!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:25 | 2651305 BeetleBailey
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Barack Obama is a lying piece of shit douchebag cunt - wrapped in a big earred, toothy grinned purple lipped body.

Fuck him.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 22:30 | 2651802 nick howdy
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Ok then, Fuck him, but look at all the choices the elite give you...It's him or Romney...I mean what version of dog shit would you be more interested in being served...

At least with Obama the working class will be given perhaps a slower road to Hell...Romney will get you there in his Learjet.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 23:42 | 2651987 JohnG
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Fuck them both, but I'll take the jet.

Let's get this collapse underway already.

I'm ready.  And sick of waiting. 

The longer it takes, the worse it's going to be.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:25 | 2651308 knightowl77
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If you follow Obummer's logic, business NEEDS gov't to grow succeed and prosper....More gov't means more and more successful businesses, which is totally ass backwards....More gov't requires more taxes, more regulations. Accordingly in Obummer's world when we have total gov't, we will have a system where everyone can build a business and succeed which doesn't make sense even in bizzaro world.......


Businesses hiring people, create paychecks and income which can be taxed to build infrastructure, but the business paying people must come first. What Obummer doesn't realize is that at some point (and we are way past that point) gov't takes more out of the system than it contributes. You cannot grow a business by taking more and more money from it. Eventually you kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Greed for money and power eventually (NOW) suck the life out of the things they hoped to nourish...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:36 | 2651336 GeezerGeek
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You got it right until that last thing about sucking "the life out of the things they hoped to nourish." If by they you mean the Puppet Masters, face the fact that they will be perfectly happy to make the world into a slave-maintained park with far fewer than 6 billion slaves and them as the park's residents. I see nothing in what Obama's done - or his predecessors' actions - that indicate a true concern for the welfare of the common folk. All is proceeding according to plan.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:50 | 2651381 knightowl77
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Perhaps...though both sides pay lip service to "growing the economy" which is what I meant...Their actions are killing it and therefore reducing revenue......But perhaps you are right and the plan was to kill it all along, instead of just doing that out of ignorance......???????

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:32 | 2651497 RocketmanBob
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Obama's entire statement betays the mindset of many on the progressive left; that the government "owns" all of the GDP/wealth in America, and deigns to return some of it to us in the form of our after-tax earnings.

Of course that's poppycock. As many in this thread have pointed out, businesses are taxpayers as well, and taken in the most generous context Mr Obama's remark could be construed as referring to the taxpayer funded infrastructure/educational/legal system  that support commerce.

What I'll never understand is how people can fall for this mindset that the government owns everything in America, which would make the government a collection of (sometime) benevolent tyrants at best...

My Regards

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:39 | 2651315 Rearranging Dec...
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I think I understand what the obama-nator was trying to say.  If he wasn't than he is a full retard socialist communist like the right paints him out to be.

In any case his choice of diction was abysmal if he was trying to express that succesful people had lots of non-quantifiable or difficult to quanitfy help from our society at large. But its not like they can't take some credit for building something successful. I would also on a personal note say that luck has something to do with it too.

I think maybe what he's trying to say is that if the successful business people let the society at large burn that they will not be successful in the future. Then again he could just be the full retard. Frankly its difficult to tell at this point.




Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:41 | 2651350 GeezerGeek
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He's just bad at regurgitating the lessons he learned from his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis. Davis was a card-carrying member of the Communist Party of the USA to the day he died. He was also a fairly good poet, and some suspect that he influenced Obama in both ideology and poetry. Davis is mentioned numerous times in Obama's semi-factual autobiographical memoir, "Dreams from My Father". Which book was, apparently, ghost-written by Bill Ayers, the bomb-thorwing 60s radical neighbor from Chicago.

It's not difficult to tell at all: Obama believes this crap.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 20:51 | 2651559 Clashfan
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Some have recently claimed Davis is actually the father.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 22:05 | 2651750 palmereldritch
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Obama Sr.....You didn't build that!

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:42 | 2651359 Rearranging Dec...
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And of course there are those selected few who get lots of quantifiable help building their businesses with federally guaranteed loans alah Solyndra.  Maybe he doesn't understand true entrepreneurialism that the middle class was founded upon.

Most of us build our businesses organically. Only Zuckerbergs and other Harvard and Stanford dropouts get huge Venture Capital injections. The rest of us scrimp, and save and use credit cards to fund equipment purchases etc.

The only thing this guy understands is huge businesses alah crony capitalism.




Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:55 | 2651730 blunderdog
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It doesn't matter at all what he says. The message is not the issue.

The issue is: Obama's a lying piece of shit, just like all the Presidents of the past 100 years, and if you don't like his policies, any word or action from him is just another inflatable bop-doll for you to beat up on.

Haytas gonna hate. 

Obama didn't become President himself.  He's just a man.  It takes a huge machine to elevate ANY person to that position.

(The pic is funny as hell.)

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:28 | 2651317 Marginal Call
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Aziz, you would never ever ever get published or read anywhere with your faux intellectual drivel if it wasn't for the internet.  And guess what?  You didn't build that. 

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:31 | 2651322 Dr. No
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The owner of my company could not have gotten to his level without peoples help.  True.  However, he pays the people who helped him a competitive wage.  He wins, I win.  I dont believe his company has any indentured workers who are not paid.

Is Obama saying that all the successful people who built companies are not paying the people who help them?  Is he saying they are not paid a competive wage for their services?? I thought that was capitalism....

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:31 | 2651325 Hedgetard55
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Lots of people in the US have their wagons hitched to the Choomwagon, baby. When it hits a tree like that pickup in Texas...

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:32 | 2651327 Heroic Couplet
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Faux News took the words out of context, as most of the rest of the Internet knows. But hey, it's Limbaugh's job to get roMONEY into the White House, so let Limbaugh do his job. Mitt quits or heads into a landslide defeat.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:43 | 2651361 GeezerGeek
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And which Soros organization do you work for?

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:31 | 2651661 covsire
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He's part of the Faux Fox Force 5.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:48 | 2651694 The Navigator
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He heads up the ChoomWagon division.

Frank, mentioned 22 times in Obamas memoirs as a mentor and friend, is Frank Marshall Davis - the person written about in "The Communist"

"You didn't build that" - Obama believes the State is the only answer, not in America or Americans.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:44 | 2651364 knightowl77
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The ENTIRE statement is bovine excrement...Put the Kool Aid down

Maybe it was the teacher or whatever blah blah blah....By your empty headed logic, those in the inner city (with all the infrastructure, government programs etc) would be the most successful....Reality demonstrates otherwise....

Any small business that succeeds, does so in SPITE of the government which is why so many fail.....If you believe the gov't makes things better, explain the post office....

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:34 | 2651331 The Gooch
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Death by Legos.

Stab that creepy fuck in the eye, kid.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:36 | 2651337 JR
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“When Alexander the Great visited the philosopher Diogenes and asked whether he could do anything for him, Diogenes is said to have replied: ‘Yes, stand a little less between me and the sun.’

“It is what every citizen is entitled to ask of his government.” – Henry Hazlitt, “Economics in One Lesson”

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 19:38 | 2651343 Everybodys All ...
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You don't know Obama if you believe he just made a faux pas in that speech.

Obama has a far left radical agenda that will only be completely exposed in the next four yrs if elected. More class warfare and more and more division of the country which is typical of every other leftist the world over.

Look at who surrounds him. Look at who influenced him. More importantly look at who funds him.

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:47 | 2651713 nick howdy
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You really think it's a radical left wing agenda to make most of the working class slaves?? No it's an idea that comes from our "elites"...Destroy everything for the working class, That is no left wing radical idea....That's an idea that comes from the same people who thought up:  "The white man's burden"

Wed, 07/25/2012 - 21:59 | 2651736 blunderdog
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The idea that the world should consist mostly of poor slaves working for the glory and betterment of a tiny number of rich rulers is as old as civilization itself.

That's part of what makes it "conservative," actually.

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