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Guest Post: Zuccotti Eviction - And The Fog Of Protest: An Eyewitness Account

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Zuccotti Eviction - And The Fog Of Protest

At 1:00 a.m. on Tuesday morning, a massive contingent of NYPD officers converged on Zuccotti Park to forcibly evict the Occupy Wall Street protesters who had been encamped there for many weeks.
 
Minutes after the police raid began the Twitter stream flowed with the news.

I arrived near Zuccotti Park just after 1:30 a.m. Civilians, including reporters with valid NYPD press passes, were being held back at a police perimeter several blocks away from the park itself. This meant that few reporters were able to witness or record the eviction of the protesters from the park.  I was told by a police officer that a “frozen zone” had been put into effect for several blocks in each direction of Zuccotti Park.
                                              
I decided to wander around on the side streets. At first, I didn’t see any protesters: The only people who were visible outside the perimeter were other journalists and the NYPD.
 
After about twenty minutes of walking, I found a side street that had been gated off with barricades and was being guarded by the police. I decided to wait there. Within a few minutes, I saw a group of about one hundred protesters who had been in Zuccotti Park being expelled from the area behind the police cordon. A few of the protesters were furious -- most just seemed sleepy and confused. One of the cops told me that the protesters were already out of Zuccotti Park itself, and that the park was being washed with fire hoses. Most of the protesters seemed to leave the cordoned area peacefully when the police arrived in the park.  It was around 2:00 a.m.
 
As the protesters spilled out to the area beyond the perimeter, the defining feature of the night became a kind of loosely connected chaos.
 
One block felt as though a riot might break out at any moment. The next block was empty.  A policeman would tell you that you could walk down a street, and at the end of the same street you would find another policeman who would tell you to go back where you came from.
 
It was said by many protesters that a hardcore contingent of activists remained in the park “u-locking” their arms together with bicycle locks, waiting for the police to pry them apart and then arrest them.
 
The police kept telling the protesters to disperse.
 
A rumor went up that the protesters were going to converge on Wall Street, at the statue of the Charging Bull.
 
But after a crowd of people advanced in that direction the rumor changed: Now, it was chanted, the protesters were marching on Foley Square, near the Brooklyn Bridge, in front of the New York County Supreme Court.
 
The second rumor proved justified.  When I arrived at Foley Square, on the corner of Center Street and Pearl Street, there were perhaps 1,000 protesters.  A massive phalanx of police officers stood motionless watching the crowd. Officers from the U.S. Marshal’s Service stood behind barricades in front of the courthouse. A helicopter circled overhead, its spotlight flashing across the court house steps.
 
Then, at almost exactly 3:00 a.m., the protesters began to march. The crowd had the appearance of migrating birds, all changing direction at once. The police began marching after them, scrambling to keep up. A huge contingent of officers ran the wrong way down Worth Street and turned onto Broadway. (The crowd of protesters were marching in the opposite direction.) I followed the crowd, like chasing the tail of a snake.
 
As I walked north on Broadway, a searchlight from a helicopter flooded the street from overhead. I turned right onto White Street at around3:15 a.m.
 
The crowd kept marching: It was getting thicker and wider. And then the protesters stopped walking. A wild cheer went up among the crowd.  It seemed to be inspired by the fact that the protesters now outnumbered the police.  A couple of protesters threw trash bags from the corner into the street.
 
Suddenly the crowd began chanting “March! March! March!” and started moving again.
 
I couldn’t tell which way we were going. There seemed to be a kind of general ecstasy about the absence of direction.
 
Then the police came charging down the street. There seemed to be as many police as protesters in the crowd -- but the police were in riot gear.
 
The police sensed that control might be lost and seemed willing to use force: Their truncheons were flailing in their fists, as their arms pumped while they ran.
 
It felt unwise to be near the front of the group.  (You didn’t know where you might get penned in.) I noticed for the first time that a few members of the crowd had their faces covered with scarves and bandanas. The tension seemed to increase. Some marchers screamed at the police.
 
The crowd started moving again and the tension seemed to pass.
 
I saw a cab stop at the next cross street with its on-duty lamp illuminated. I got in.
 
The driver was from Sudan. He told me the protests reminded him of the Arab Spring.  He said he liked the excitement, and would take me wherever I wanted to go.
 
We drove north on Center Street, past Canal Street.
 
Then a convoy of police vehicles forced our cab to stop in the shoulder.  I counted at least forty police cars, trucks, and vans as they passed us. They were also heading north on Center Street. We waited as the convoy drove ahead of us, passing us with their lights flashing.
 
When we began driving again, I told the driver to follow the police. The crowd was no longer in view: They were too far in front of us.
 
We drove about six blocks behind the police vehicles.
 
At the corner of Center Street and Grand Street all the police cars stopped. Then the police officers began piling out of their cars. In the police vans, there were about eight officers to each vehicle, and the streets were soon swarming with police. Then another police van passed in front of us and stopped; I lost our sightline to the convoy.
 
When the vehicle in front of us finally allowed us to pass through, the crowd of police officers seemed to have melted into the side streets.
 
We continued north, past where Center Street becomes Cleveland Place at Broom Street. As we approached Broom Street, near the SoHoshopping district, I saw the flashing lights of police cars. But the protesters appear to be ahead of the police, and also ahead of us. Cleveland Place became Lafayette Street at Spring Street. (The jumble of road names in lower Manhattan seemed, to my mind, to mirror the chaos in the streets.)
 
At Spring Street, the police convoy stopped in front of us.  The police again get out of their vehicles and begin marching north.
 
Suddenly, the police charge up the sidewalk at a full running pace. They are running in a way that conveyed the impression of immediate danger. The running is contagious: When an officer sees his fellow officer running he responds in kind. Their truncheons scrape the metal car doors as they sprint by our cab.
 
The Sudanese cab driver inexplicably tells me “The Whole World is Watching!”
 
Then the police all stop running. There is apparently nothing wrong after all.  The cops are now shrugging, and panting, and some are chuckling a little at their wasted effort.
 
When the police in front of our cab allow us to move again, we turn right on Spring Street, then left onto Mulberry. We’re in Little Italy now.
 
As we turn the corner, I hear through the open window of our cab a woman shouting into her cell phone: “Drew just got arrested! Drew just got arrested! And my battery is dying!”
 
I can see the group of protesters again now.  It looks massive.  Hundreds of protesters are walking North on Lafayette Street one block to the left.
 
We turn left onto Houston then right again back onto Lafayette Street. When I look left, there appear to be hundreds more protesters marching up Broadway. By the time we reach Fourth Street, we’re now ahead of the marchers and the police. I tell the cab driver to pull over and wait.
 
When the crowd catches up with us, I hear them shouting about marching to Union Square.
 
The kids in the crowd are giving the cab drivers the thumbs up sign now. The cab drivers are honking their approval.  For a moment it feels like a wave is moving north.  It feels like something important may happen in Union Square. The crowd bursts into applause. It’s 3:30 in the morning.
 
I tell the cab driver to head straight to Union Square.
 
But the crowd never makes it there: When the cab arrives at Fourteenth Street and Broadway, on the southeast corner of Union Square, the park is empty.There are no police in sight. And no protesters.
 
I ask the cab driver to double back and head South down Broadway.
 
On Broadway, I see why the protesters never arrived.  The police are dividing up the crowd. They hold up a group of protesters, perhaps eighty or a hundred at a time, until the crowd becomes a group, then they direct them down the side streets.
 
This dilutes the crowd’s enthusiasm as well as their number. There is a helicopter overhead. Police cars are converging, after driving the wrong way down one way streets. The crowd seems to thin. Then it appears to swell. Then it definitively thins as the police again begin to divide it into still smaller groups.
 
The road ahead is blocked. I ask the cab driver to head west down a side street. We pass through the blocks that contain NYU.  The campus looks sleepy.  A few kids are in front of their dormitories smoking cigarettes.  They seem unaware of what’s just happened only a few blocks away.
 
We head back east.  On the southwest corner of East Fourth and Lafayette the crowd is yelling at a small group of police officers. Then the crowd melts away as police reinforcements arrive.
 
At about 4:00 a.m., many smaller groups converge on one block on Lafayette Street. For a few minutes, they again number in the hundreds. At one point, the crowd chants at a skirmish line of police officers who are surrounding them: “Overworked and underpaid: We’re doing this for you!”
 
I ask the cab driver to pass Washington Square Park around 4:15 a.m.  I can’t see any protesters from my vantage point on the North Side of Washington Square, but there is a heavy presence of police vehicles in the center of the park.
 
We head back to Foley Square around 4:30 a.m.  There still appears to be a couple of hundred protesters there.  The television trucks are congregating waiting to do live satellites hits for the morning news shows.
 
One of the kids down at Foley Square tells me that the protesters are communicating on Facebook, Twitter, text messaging -- and even using bicycle messengers as scouts to coordinate their movements.
 
At around 4:45 a.m. we take a final drive past Zuccotti Park. At the corner of Broadway and Vesey there are still many cops in riot gear. There are even more police in riot gear at the corner of Broadway and Maiden Lane.  A crowd of people are being held in front of police lines.
 
But this crowd doesn’t appear to be composed of protesters. The people look like tourists who have come out to gawk and rubberneck, perhaps after hearing about the crowd on television or the internet. When I pass through the intersection, the crowd is smiling and applauding and waving at my cab. The police truncheons are in their belt holsters.
 
On the cab ride back uptown, I decide to take a final pass through Washington Square Park. I see a crowd of about twenty young protesters on Thompson Street, just south of the park. I decide to have the cab drop me off so I can talk to them.
 
The protesters tell me that they’ve been given shelter by Judson Memorial Church. The church is just a short way up Thompson Street so I walk there, though I’m now very tired.
 
Inside the church there are about eighty protesters -- most of them under twenty five years old.
 
They seem exhausted too.  Many are lying on the carpet.  A few in the corner are uploading videos of the protest from their cell phones to a laptop computer.
 
One of them introduces me to The Reverend Michael Ellick, a minister at the church.
 
Ellick tells me that the church has given the protesters use of their facilities to rest and regroup.  He says he hasn’t seen anyone seriously injured. But a couple of the kids came in with their eyes red and swollen from the police pepper spray. By the time I’m done interviewing Ellick it’s after five o’clock in the morning.
 
The protesters seem ready to go to sleep: But most vow to regroup later in the morning and return to the streets. Everyone I ask seems to tell me a different time and a different location for where they’ve heard the protests will resume. Some say the crowd is reuniting at Sixth Avenue and Canal Street, others say Foley Square, while some say Zuccotti Park itself.

 

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Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:28 | 1890163 DormRoom
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"they always come for you at night. always at night." --1984

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:05 | 1890207 Popo
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The article above mentions "Valid NYPD Press Passes".

What on Earth are those?!  ... and where are those defined in the Constitution?!

I think the NYPD needs a reminder that *not only* is anyone allowed to be present,  and *not only* is anyone allowed to speak / write or create video -- but ANYONE WHO LEGALLY OWNS A GUN IS ALSO ALLOWED TO SHOW UP TO THE PROTESTS CARRYING A RIFLE.    

(For the record I am not advocating violence -- but I am strongly advocating the constant exercise of constitutional rights).

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.  Period. 

And the REASON that we are allowed these freedoms is because GOVERNMENT SHOULD FEAR THE PEOPLE and the Founders intended it that way.   They above all were familiar with governmental abuse of power.

Got that, pigs?   If you're feeling threatened -- that's the entire idea.  Back off.

 

( Definition of pig:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-vUYeJXSrA )

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:50 | 1890462 o_rly
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I agree but I'm pretty sure NYC is the only exception. NYC is a police state within a poiice state. 

In NYC you can't have a rifle in public view. Although in the rest of NY you can.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:25 | 1890490 Popo
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The Constitution is the highest law in the land.   You're also not allowed to take photos on the subway in NYC,  or refuse an illegal search and seizure by TSA,  or (apparently) peaceably assemble for extended periods of time.   But that doesn't mean one should obey when one's Constitutional rights are *clearly and unquestionably* being violated. 

Question authority.  

The police blackshirts are nothing more than Gestapo, doing the bidding of a corrupt elite and trampling over our inalienable rights in the process.

(I think you're right though -- NYC is not open carry, and NYS is...)

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:33 | 1890525 oldman
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Popo.

a green, bro.

I would like to replace "Question authority' with my favorite old standby:

FUCK AUTHORITY!!!

After you say it a few times and fight over it, it really makes a difference----     om 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 07:07 | 1890683 Botox4U2
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Now doesn't Mayor Bloomburger look like a total FOOL? Tooday was the turning point. We are coming for the 1% and we aren't going to stop until your new version of Capitalism is dead and gone and replaced by free enterprise and democracy. Fuck YOU Bloomburger

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:47 | 1891101 Hippocratic Oaf
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ASH B..........GET A FUCKIN' REAL JOB!!!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:05 | 1890250 Freddie
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It is amazing that these young people found sanctuary in a church and came back to God.  Hopefully this we reawaken their spirituality versus meaningless iPads and meaningless living.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:37 | 1890320 Melin
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I use an iPad and read comments like yours. Tools aren't meaningless, they're tools.  The iPad provides access to plenty of meaning and accessibility to a world of world-views.  

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:56 | 1890363 john39
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you can read the bible on an ipad.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:34 | 1890446 Bananamerican
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nice account...

cue demonic, mouth-breathing, right-wing, fascist apologists, 3...2...1...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:01 | 1890483 dark pools of soros
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you read an ipad propped up by a bible

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:15 | 1890272 bill1102inf
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I thought that was from the movie ALIENS???

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:37 | 1890319 323
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It is, mostly.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:37 | 1890186 Thadius T. Crunk
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Well, that whole thing sounds pretty stupid.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:50 | 1890214 tickhound
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yeah... It'll never amount to nuthin'.  It's not even a small part of somthin'.  /sarc/ for all u dumb dicks.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:17 | 1890276 Thadius T. Crunk
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Yes, one day when greed is no longer and corruption is a thing of the past we'll all look back and say "wow that occupy movement was sure something" /sarc/ 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:19 | 1890280 tickhound
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naw... you'll say it was nuthin'

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:57 | 1890475 oldman
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Hey Thadius,

You're a patriot, dude------You can leave off the '/sarc/'----it's Ok to be for something, especially when you can do-nothing instead.

Like me, I suppose---too old to sleep out in the rain and cold, but I do support these young people who are doing my job.

I know that you feel the same way---you're no mooch---I bet you're giving them whatever you can, also.

Thanks and don't be ashamed of supporting these young people---no one else has been in the streets for decades---they are making a difference        om

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:20 | 1891421 DionysusDevotee
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You guys just don't seem to get that this is the dress rehearsal.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:38 | 1890187 Seasmoke
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why do people allow themselves to be used as human pinatas.....in urban confrontation the people have the advantage ....why give that up?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:00 | 1890233 wretch
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At this early stage, the people are generally maintaining a policy of non-violence.  That means they get hit, gassed, shot and sprayed.

Like I said, it's an early stage.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:42 | 1890195 Mutatto
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I always had the sense that OWS was much like the Obama debacle, lots of worthless utopian rhetoric and not the slightest freakin' clue about what to do about...anything.

OWS is a huge waste of time.

Unfortunately, Obama is a waste of time, money and national integrity. What a pity.

I REALLY hope some serious shit gets going prior to the election.

 

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:07 | 1890253 Freddie
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These young people at the end of the night found safety and sanctuary in a church away from the Muslim Oba's union bully boys who support the 9-11 Victory Mosque with Bloomberg and the unions.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:59 | 1890374 john39
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i guess that you think obummer bombs muslim countries and kills untold numbers of muslim civilians to cover up the fact that he is muslim?  seriously man, wake up...  his god is the same god as the bankers...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 06:50 | 1890673 writingsonthewall
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It always makes me laugh to see the ignorant trying to blame the usual suspects (in this case Muslims)

 

Sorry - but you have to get used to the fact that we all got fucked in the ass by good old white anglo saxon bankers - not by Muslims.

 

I mean Islam even bans ursury - the key tool of 'capital hostage taking' - and this is why the sycophants of the bankers like to turn the attention away.

 

They fear islam as it will totally destroy their ability to profit from nothing more than holding shared capital hostage.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 08:47 | 1890793 Ident 7777 economy
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-100

 

Who who flew planes into world trade center bldgs -

 

White guys 18 - 49 yrs old?

muslims 18 to 49 years old ?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:20 | 1890865 WonderDawg
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That's a great question. There seems to be a rather healthy debate about that.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 13:08 | 1891592 TheJokingJollyRoger
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White Anglo Saxon Bankers?  Seems to be more Jewish bankers if you ask me.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 13:11 | 1891599 TheJokingJollyRoger
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Also, it's a stereotypical myth to say 'evil' whitey runs the United States.

 

In all actuality a great deal of many different foreigners have bought up large segments of the United States economy.

The Saudis and Chinese alone own huge portions of the United States.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:14 | 1890269 hannah
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+1

these people are the obama generation....they go to meeting and never get anything done. OWS justrandomly run around...what is the point?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:52 | 1890355 Stack Trace
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What are you doing to change things? Oh wait, you are just another scared pussy pretending to be a tough guy. Guess "your" generation did things right with multiple pointless wars, to big to fail banks, and broken government. Go back to sleeping with Nixon's corpse and sucking your thumb.

Mind you, I am not in OWS but I think they have balls to get out and protest.

Looking for the retort about how they should get jobs or take a shower or something pointless like vote. LMAO...the collapse is already in progress and folks are crying about smelly kids in a park.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:23 | 1891439 DionysusDevotee
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I know rite?  Whole world going up in flames from corruption and they're making "unwashed masses" jokes.  How much more cliche could you get?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:00 | 1890482 oldman
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Mutatto,

Even you can be a leader in this movement---everyone's a leader.

Some serious shit can only happen when we all get into the street----fuck your election.

Thanks for your support          om

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:44 | 1890928 Mutatto
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"Even you can be a leader in this movement---everyone's a leader."

Yeah?  That's exactly what I'm talking about, that "sounds" great, except like the Obama administration, OWS is going no where fast.

10,000 leaders going in 10,000 different directions, have fun.

 

"Some serious shit can only happen when we all get into the street"

Get in the streets in front of the Fed and the politicians, not in front of free enterprise and capitalism.

I see the signs that say "get big business out of politics", too bad they got it ass-backwards from the beginning.

If politicians had let businesses fail, we wouldn't be in this moral hazard mess, and O wouldn't have Solyndra in face every day.

 

"fuck your election." 

Fuck YOU.  Go live in a fucking country that doesn't have elections.  You shold go learn how the 99% does there. 

Your ass can be replaced by 100 people WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE.  People who somehow manage to find jobs, when the "99 week-ers" can't.

 

I gave OWS a good look, and several weeks to figure out what their campaign really wanted to do.  Guess what, they don't have the slightest realistic idea what they want or how to get it.

I can promise you one thing, if they could all pull down 200k working part time, they'd all be at Starbucks shopping on iPads.  Maybe they don't know it, they sure as hell won't say it....but THAT is their biggest complaint.

 

"Thanks for your support          om"

Let me know when you figure out what I'm supposed to be supporting here, then we'll both know.

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:19 | 1891781 oldman
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Relax, Mutatto,

It's all theater.

You are supposed to support whatever a mutatto wants to support. If you do not support change, that's OK, but why trash these young people who are in the streets without $200,000 per year, when they are the leaders and doing what you and I can only imagine?

You have picked a side and you do not require anyone's permission.

Good luck to you             om

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 14:19 | 1891782 oldman
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Relax, Mutatto,

It's all theater.

You are supposed to support whatever a mutatto wants to support. If you do not support change, that's OK, but why trash these young people who are in the streets without $200,000 per year, when they are the leaders and doing what you and I can only imagine?

You have picked a side and you do not require anyone's permission.

Good luck to you             om

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:47 | 1890205 puck
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 one thing that will save the world we are in short supply of is God fearing people

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:52 | 1890219 tickhound
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great, more "faith"... just what we need.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:07 | 1890254 Melin
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I'll fight for your right to practice but even atheists want to save the world, fyi.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:14 | 1890270 puck
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Rights are a wonderful thing and i'll fight for yours to.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:54 | 1890358 Stack Trace
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As an aethiest I will give my one and only finite life to protect the right to religious expression. Think about it.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:17 | 1890412 ClassicalLib17
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That's a-t-h-e-i-s-t.  Perhaps you should turn back to God,  it's easier to spell, anyways  

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:07 | 1890492 323
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How deep your faith is.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:14 | 1890997 Stack Trace
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That was a T-Y-P-O-G-R-A-P-H-I-C-A-L error. Pointing out that sort of thing in the context of this CONversation is like complaining about the color of suit Corzine wore on Tuesday instead of pointing out what he did.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:32 | 1890443 Melin
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The practice of religion is an inalienable right.  I'll fight for the protection of inalienable rights.  I've thought about it.

Here's a phrase you may be familiar with: "Give me liberty or give me death."  Hint: the "me" was rhetorical. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 05:19 | 1890619 e-recep
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What if the religious practice requires human sacrifice on the altar? Will you protect that right, too?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 08:34 | 1890774 madbomber
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hey there...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:22 | 1891025 Melin
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No, Dear.  There is no right to violate the rights of others.  

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 08:22 | 1890756 Reformed Sheep
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Even atheists? But how can 'moral good' come from these godless heathens? What could be their motive for saving the world? Surely not for the common good of humanity?

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:27 | 1891040 Melin
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It is moral to live your life according to your own judgement without violating the rights of others.  The "common good of humanity" by which you can only mean the good of each and every single individual on the planet, is best achieved by protecting individual rights.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:12 | 1890847 GeezerGeek
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"even atheists want to save the world"

I'm not an atheist and I don't want to save the world, just make it a slightly better place. Heck, we can't even save ourselves, so why should any of us be so delusional as to think any person or group of people can save the world.

Ever hear the quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? Perhaps we should all adopt this idea from the medical profession: first, do no harm.

As an afterthought: if someone is an atheist, I assume that negates the concept of hell. So where does the road paved with good intentions then lead?

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:20 | 1891013 Stack Trace
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Why must life "lead" to anything? Too many folks live by stories that are not their own in order to avoid facing the sublime beauty and wonder of being finite.

I live with the understanding that each and every day I "find myself already in the world" and not some other place.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 13:12 | 1891603 TheJokingJollyRoger
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The world is beyond saving.  Entropy bitch smacks religion and 'God'.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:26 | 1891452 DionysusDevotee
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Agreed, specifically the empire fighting,  beat the Crap out of money changers, and take care of the poor and sick kind of God fearing people.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:47 | 1890206 blindman
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Occupy Wall Street Radio
11/17/2011 all day

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:01 | 1890235 blindman
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http://archive.wbai.org/
urban militarization
Thursday November 17 2:00pm
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29156.htm
live stream

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:54 | 1890222 fuu
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They need one of these: http://wimp.com/warsawhelicopter/

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:49 | 1890351 Tsunami Wave
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That's some incredible stuff & footage... yep they need one of those.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:54 | 1890224 msamour
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Good reporting, I actually felt like I was there. Things are changing. Keep up the good work to all those who report on those events, no matter which political affiliation you partake in.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:54 | 1890225 Josh Randall
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until they occupy the FED they are pi$sing in the wind -- but OWS at least gave some of these folks their sea legs that they can in fact get off their @ss's and try and make a difference somehow.

So "A" for effort - but your effort is misguided - "meeting up at the NY Supreme Court" to protest is not a worthwhile endeavor folks

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:54 | 1890473 Breaker
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Until they occupy congress and all the alphabet agencies they are pissing in the wind. Power comes from the barrel of a gun. Congress writes the laws that, in the end, are meaningless without officially sanctioned guns. Congress and the alphabet agencies need to have their budgets all cut by abuot 75%. I would regard that as a good start. They would have less power to abuse when unions and corporations come around waving lots of money.

Thu, 11/17/2011 - 23:55 | 1890226 jdrose1985
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I wonder how many of them have used FRN's or credit cards (or...gasp...food stamps) to purchase things they need to survive and keep this charade going.

It's all messed up

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:01 | 1890236 WonderDawg
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Just out of curiousity, what form of payment did you use to purchase the computer behind which you sit and criticize the efforts of others?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:01 | 1890381 Stack Trace
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Spot on. The hypocrisy of the critics who do nothing. But wait, maybe some Of these buffoons think of themselves as the one-percent and they jess gotz to getz on da ZH boawds to defend themselves.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:20 | 1890418 ClassicalLib17
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Why then does their General Assembly hold 500,000 frn's on account?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:32 | 1890442 WonderDawg
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Non sequitur. Please be sure you understand the posts to which you respond.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:09 | 1890496 323
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He's a Turing test

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 03:26 | 1890563 HungrySeagull
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Fucking Silver Bullion and I BUILT computer from nothing using what I understand about how they run.

Building computers is therapy for me.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:05 | 1890251 wretch
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Probably the same proportion of prison inmates eat prison food.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:02 | 1890242 puck
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Serfdom will be here before you know it

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:04 | 1890245 Melin
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The cabbie got it: “The Whole World is Watching!”

That's the biggest motivation for much of this; the desire to "make history." It's akin to the immature desire of maidens to marry with only the bridal gown and wedding walk in their sights.  Disaster may follow the march.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:13 | 1890265 sasebo
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I give those people out there a lot of credit. If we don't try to stop these greedy assholes we're screwed. Anything is better than sitting on your ass. Sit on your ass & its all over.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:17 | 1890275 msjimmied
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Third Eye Blind. Song for OWS

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gf45vXByCg

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:24 | 1890287 puck
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It is not death that I am afriad of. It is the dying part. Peaceful demonstarting is one thing

but revolution to what? / instead rebuild the best country on earth with the people for the people

in peace make the system work. It would mean we would all need to participate and work hard to accept differences in order to reach compramises. And yes it could take a long time. Look

the end of the world as we know it is coming soon. Inflation like you aint seen before. Fighting is not going to change that. Pick up the peaces and help one another

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:30 | 1890303 Tater Salad
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Easy, if I were mayor of Gotham City, I'd put a ban on protests until I decide it was ok to protest again.  Defuse these ignorant parasites once and for all!

Fuck OWS, down to the last one! 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:33 | 1890309 puck
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Protesting is good and you have the right to. But my mother asked one time if all your friends decided to jump of a cliff are you going to follow? I said of course not I dont want to die before my time.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:36 | 1890314 WonderDawg
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So in other words, you would piss on the Constitution. Very patriotic. You campaigning for membership in the CFR?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:09 | 1890396 IAmNotMark
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The constitution?  A dead meaningless scrap of paper.  It's been pissed on, stomped on, x-rayed, pat-downed, raided, TSA'd, FBI'd, FDA'd, DHS'd,... and now it's dead.

I wish that I see a government that actually follows the constitution again in my lifetime.  I'm not hopeful

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:26 | 1890429 knukles
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Having been trod upon makes it meaningless?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:10 | 1890500 323
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Not to me.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:21 | 1890866 GeezerGeek
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Elected officials, at least for the national government, swear an oath of office that includes protecting the Constitution. What we need is a legal way to hold these officials to this oath quickly rather than wait until the next election. We also need to end the popular election of senators to make them more responsible to the particular states rather than to their political party.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 11:45 | 1891294 RichardENixon
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Sounds like a classic Catch-22 situation to me.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:37 | 1890316 puck
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All I'm sayin is the sytem isn.t perfect but it works, If you got the time get involved be the change

or your anger isn't warrented. Be apart of the solution.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:43 | 1890335 Melin
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will you be speaking in bromides much longer?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:45 | 1890340 puck
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No go head and say something

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:11 | 1890502 oldman
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You're Puck, all right

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

You sarcasm is beautiful and echoes all of those yuppie/boomer assholes that are blamed so freely here at ZH for being 'the problem'. I have never met a single one of them who has not told me part of or verbatim what you wrote above.

You are a natural genius at sarcasm---keep it up, Puck---It makes some of us even more determined than we already are to bring forth a functioning system, be cause, as you know sly devil that you be----this system does not work even for its few elitist beneficiaries.

Thanks for the laugh              om

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:38 | 1890322 jeaton
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Just curious, but why are you guys giving these lice ridden idiots any respect at all.

In the beginning I was excited by the possibility that these kids, while misdirecting their anger at Wall Street,  would eventually discover that their real target should be Pennsylvania Avenue.  Instead, they have devolved to the point where I almost wish the cops would bash their empty heads.  I wish they would shut up, go home and take a freaking shower. 

The Tea Party had it right.  These idiots are simply distracting the public from the real problems and issues facing the country. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:07 | 1890392 Stack Trace
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Nice try but wall street is as complicit as Pennsylvania Avenue. I agree they should be in DC but that doesn't mean the vampires in NYC are innocent. Those bastards are living off the life savings of grandmothers and disabled veterans and you want to give them a free pass from ridicule. Really?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:16 | 1890408 WonderDawg
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Exactly. I would imagine Occupy DC isn't too far away, but Wall Street is as good a place as any to start.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:38 | 1890449 hidingfromhelis
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When you hire someone to shoot and kill a person, you are just as guilty of first degree murder as the one who pulls the trigger.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:50 | 1890465 WonderDawg
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In this particular thread, who said anything about hiring anyone for any purpose?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:17 | 1890510 oldman
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Hey Stack

Me too. I'm giving a few bucks here and there from my ss entitlement and I am a grandfather/mother, so don't leave this oldman out.

I wanna be on your list so that when youy get down to the street, we can play 'fight club'---meanwhile---send some money and adopt one of these young people---they are all we have, dude                           om

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:10 | 1890397 Stack Trace
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And do tell: what are the REAL problems? What could be worse than money changers ripping off the life savings of millions of people?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:31 | 1890440 jeaton
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The real problem is liberal minded idiots revving themselves up with dim witted slogans and refusing the acknowledge their role in the fleecing of hard working American taxpayers. 

Demoncrats rode the oxymoron of "social justice" by pushing banksters, through legislation, to extend mortgages to the financially irresponsible, all under the banner of "everyone deserves a home."  All the while they ignored the fact that the financially responsible "deserve" to exist without being forced to carry the water of the irresponsible.  In the meantime the banksters decided diversify and distribute the ridicules risk imposed on them by the fools in office.  Clean up the cesspool that is Washington and Wall Street will by necessity follow. 

Now please take the time to actually think through your response before puking up so tired liberal schtick. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:46 | 1890458 WonderDawg
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Ah, so you want to pidgeon hole the Occupy movement as a left wing thing. Nice. Are you a hired lackey for the MSM or just ignorant? TPTB wish to marginalize this populist movement by portraying it to be an extreme leftist movement, and they need people like you to propagate that image. So, paid shill or ignorant?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:12 | 1890503 323
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Hey Glen, I left the car keys in the fake rock, you stud.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:33 | 1891049 Stack Trace
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I hope you are being sarcastic and not really that dense.

Our situation is beyond Democrats and Republicans. You are part of the problem if you think either party matters. I am all for careful and prudent allocation of resources to those that carry the water and make our society work. I am against fuck-heads and turds like you that are apologists for the slime on Wall-Street and want to solely blame one party so we can keep the ridiculous game of faux-partisanship dividing the people. You love this because it keeps folks fearful and divided while your kind get to keep stealing.

I bet you are afraid of Blacks, Gays, Women, Brown People, and hide in a bunker down in South Carolina cowering in fear waiting for the Rapture. I don't care if you do that. It is your right. Just don't think the rest of us doing something will listen to your pathetic, feeble, moronic cries of misplaced justice.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:22 | 1890517 oldman
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Dude,

Talk to them----these kids are onto the same people you are against----they are great! And they are doing it. We are not doing shit except whining as the middle class always does while these patriots are out there in the rain, cold, and against all odds.

Fucking support them, man-----they are not ripping off anyone and you know it. Come on, we need your help---give us a hand----be somebody besides a whining troll. I know you can do it, Stack                      om

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:32 | 1890895 GeezerGeek
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The Federal Reserve has stolen the savings of hundreds of millions of people by the subterfuge of inflation. Are these included in your group of 'money changers'? Anyone who saves in dollar-denominated instruments is being financially raped by our government and the GSEs like the Fed. This is nothing new to most here at ZH, but I doubt that most of the OWSers have enough experience to know this. The REAL problem, sadly, is the human tendency to lie, cheat, steal and do whatever else necessary to gain power and prestige without recognizing any ethical or moral restraints. In a culture that has accepted moral relativism there are no boundaries between right and wrong. Political power comes from the barrel of a gun. (I think it was some Chinese guy with lots of guns that said that.)

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:36 | 1891068 Stack Trace
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I agree with you. However, WallStreet is the right arm of the Fed transmission mechanism. If we can't fix the Fed directly we can start grinding down the parts upon which it depends such as big banks and corrupt market makers.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 04:47 | 1890600 object_orient
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Why are OWS critics so hung up on showers, lice and dirt? Everyone must be clean, quiet and at home? That makes for a vibrant citizenry all right.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 07:02 | 1890678 sumo
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It's dementia. OWS reminds them of Vietnam and 1968, so their brains kind of spasm and out come the anti-hippy tirades. Best example: PJ O'Rourke.

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:44 | 1890333 puck
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We got it wrong, we the people. we left it up to those in office to make choices for us and forgot to hold thier feet to the fire which takes being involved and hard work coalations at grass root levels town hall meetings being a close community. Lets get back to where we once belonged....

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:54 | 1890359 Melin
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LOL.   That answers it.  You do intend to continue your bromide-speak.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:26 | 1890521 oldman
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Now you're talking, Puck

This is exactly where we are---where we once belonged---holding their feet to the fire----and being a close community---I knew that you were one of us. Welcome, brother                      om

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 00:55 | 1890339 Melin
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*

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:02 | 1890383 Manny
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Its divide and conquer at its best!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:15 | 1890405 luna_man
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Hey, "jeaton", I see why you wear a bag over that mug...

 

No one will be able to identify the "DUMMY" under the bag!

 

AND I'M WILLING TO BET, YOU STINK AND HAVE LICE!!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:48 | 1890461 jeaton
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Great come back!

Now please take a moment and actually share something that requires reason and thought. 

These kids are being used.  The are a diversion.  They are cannon fodder. 

You are among the sick bastards that are reving up their emotion but not their knowlege and sending them out to be clubbed. 

I get the feeling that people like you will not be happy until there is a Kent State moment and some poor kid loses his life. 

luna-man: "See there Stack Trace.  I've been telling you all along that the cops are a bunch of jack booted thugs and they have finally been provoked into proving me right."

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:14 | 1890504 323
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Yah, they're being used. By you.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 07:03 | 1890679 sumo
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I get the feeling that people won't be happy until Wall St ratfuckers like Corzine go to jail.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 13:22 | 1891639 jeaton
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Agreed.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 01:56 | 1890476 pointer
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divide and conquer.  The People out number the brainwashed cops, but they are WAY more organized.

We need some Libyan or Syrian rebels over here to show these protestors how to ambush...but then again they'd be fighting the military in police uniforms.

Look around you - THIS is modern day slavery.  The chains and shackles are around your mind, not your wrists and ankles.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:05 | 1890485 dark pools of soros
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the people who slam OWS are mostly donkey dick suckin middle managers

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:15 | 1890507 323
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Don't forget the paid "foundation" whores.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:30 | 1890524 jeaton
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Right on, tough guy!  I bet after reading this comment they are all red faced having seen the error of their ways. 

Or maybe they see the movement for what it has become, an embarrassment to those that truely understand the outrage but actually understand the real source of the problem. 

Want to make a real difference?  Vote!

Vote at the ballet box.  Get the self-serving, crony capitalist out of Washington. 

Vote with your feet.  Move your income and your tax dollars out of politically corrupt states. 

Vote with your dollars.  Take your money out of the mega banks and collosal financial institutions that have supported the likes of the Obamination and the demoncrats to the tune of three times the donations they have given conservatives.

Most importantly, use your mind.  Educate yourself.  Use reason and logic.  Once your have an informed outlook, then use the power of the heart to drive you forward on the proper path. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 08:48 | 1890796 Crumbles
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VOTE ? Who the fuck for ? It's corporate abuse of the voting / lobby industry SYSTEM that has got US so screwed and TPTB so rewarded.

Look, the kids are in the streets, where you and I belong, when the time is right. Every major advance in the Arab Spring revolutions was won by numbers. A million people in support of OWS in Times Square or 3 million in Central Park against what appears to be near at hand - a group killing event laid at the hands of the police via Utube video.

Watch for it. Then either STFU or hit the street yourself. Leave your gun at home, bring a pan to bang on, and don't forget your towel.

There is strength in numbers; big numbers are hard to ignore.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:05 | 1890488 msjimmied
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The fascist wing in full defcon mode on any blog that has comments. Their aim is not to change your mind, cos if that was so, they would be more persuasive, more in tune with their audience. Nope, their aim is to reach into the reptilian brain for the response they seek, so as to alter your brain waves to that frequency that discusiion would be fevered and disjointed with rage. I absolutely abhor trolls. and when this is all done with, it is the trolls I would like to see up there with the bankers, cos they are all sinfully treasonous to the people of the US.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:05 | 1890491 ED
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One sure way to get to know a city is by protesting in it

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:09 | 1890495 chumbawamba
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That sounds like it was one expensive mother fucking cab ride.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:16 | 1890509 323
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Fuck you. I'm Chumbawamba. you're chumbawannabe.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 12:32 | 1891463 DollarMenu
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No, you're 323 - been here 7 weeks 20 days.

That IS Chumbawamba - been here 2 years 19 weeks.

A poster from the early days of ZH when there was much more

discussion and sharing of knowledge and a lot less snark.

So many of the early  builders of this site seem to have gone into exile.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:23 | 1890511 Milton Waddams
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Class warfare (corporate person versus carbon-based person) in one simple image (from the STL Fed no less)...

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/369/dik51u.png

John Malkovich:  "As someone who has had some involvement with mister Madoff, the game is fixed."

Appx 29:00 in: http://www.charlierose.com/

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:24 | 1890518 Peter K
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Who cares?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 02:57 | 1890543 Majere
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Keith Olbermann slamming Bloomberg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iNmMPVP49I

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 03:26 | 1890562 surrational
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From watching livestreams it doesn't appear that most these protestors are real schooled on monetary policy and are still this angry. If only they knew the rage the average ZH reader has because of this knowledge? I feel like that Nigel guy daily and wallstreetpro comes to mind.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 03:47 | 1890572 Shadowsil
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Surrational if I could +1000 that comment of yours I would.

I agree on the Rage issue 1 zillion percent, its a fucking epedimic in this place, thing is most of us are still working, trying to make a wage, prepping and hoping the world gets their shit goether around us Asap before we have to step in with that rage and our slingshots a plenty.

I would not be pleased to have it come to using our slingshots to fix these issues we seem to have in abundance in the U.S. as it gets to the point of no return for the common man..

I wouldnt be happy for a very long time when that day came. For now the unarmed and misinformed will have to do what they can to open up the cupboard and get more people talking about the reality around them.  This will help them to learn abit more about what we talk about every day here...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 03:30 | 1890566 HungrySeagull
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Don't worry, this too shall pass. Winter is coming on with the usual sicknesses and casulties resulting from such.

 

My focus is now on Syria where there is appears to be a civil war now with Military vs Military.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 06:26 | 1890654 Optimusprime
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Israeli military vs Syrian military, I'm afraid.

 

The "protests" are too obviously funded, armed and trained by the usual suspects.  Over 300 Syrian police/military have been killed so far--this is not peaceful protest; this is another Lybia-style "civil war" instigated by Us/Israel/France/UK.  Disgusting. 

 

We gotta get the Jews off our backs before they blow up the world.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:00 | 1890823 Crumbles
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... Gotta get the

batshit crazy politicians and military asshats in collusion with arms suppliers

off our backs before they blow up the world.

There, fixed it for you, ignorant race-baiting MFSOB that you obviously are.

Troll elsewhere, go now, don't return!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 04:54 | 1890605 chaartist
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they need to start talking more to the citizens not the corrupt administration. They need to mobilize common people, they can move to every metro entrance and spread their word.

 

The people there will never get what they deserve for their braveness, but they r heroes, also the one that dont know completely why they are in streets.

 

''Authorities'' got a great tactic, take their tents and say we dont want you to force you out...but winter is coming, so the authorities are playing good. We need to help them.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 05:51 | 1890634 Mr_Wonderful
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Why isn´t Corzine in jail? Why isn´t that other turd out of Goldman Sachs ass, the mob owned head of the CFTC, in jail? Why aren´t Capitol Hill turds that GS dumped there, in jail for insider trading? Why is this mob always scot free?

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 07:59 | 1890723 sumo
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droit du seigneur

Feudal lords get to fuck the sheep at any time

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 06:15 | 1890646 jmcadg
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You must a forked out a fair chunk for the taxi - nearly two hours. 

The Sudanese driver must have thought he'd won the lottery!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 07:04 | 1890682 Mr_Wonderful
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I thought the DOJ had hit absolute bottom with that Asscrust fruitcake during Bush Jr., but evidently that isn´t the case.

U.S. Department of Justice wants to lock you up for lying on the internet

http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/15/2564768/DOJ-ruling-Computer-Fraud-Abu...

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 08:16 | 1890747 Bob
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Fascist cocksuckers. 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 08:48 | 1890791 madbomber
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yee haaaaa  
YESSSIR!...

 

 

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:02 | 1890797 madbomber
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..

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 08:57 | 1890816 uniman
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At one point, the crowd chants at a skirmish line of police officers who are surrounding them: “Overworked and underpaid: We’re doing this for you!”

Wow! How pathetic is that?! 

MSM: "So what do you dumfucks want?"

DF: We want more money for the donut eaters! 

I've got a better idea...

The existing political system is simply unacceptable to us. The privileged ones have taken far, far more than their fair share of the available natural resources and have systematically and intentionally deprived us of our freedom.  This system is not merely broken.  It is so profoundly antagonistic towards our rights and well-being that nothing short of our secession will cure these evils.  These are our demands:

1. We Demand the Return our Freedom
The fundamental root of the problem that we the people face is that we have been deprived of our freedom so therefore our first general demand is for the return of that freedom.  Our loss of freedom is evident in that our efforts to live our lives are being massively, systematically, and intentionally thwarted in the following ways:

  • Too many actions we wish to take are prohibited.
  • Too many actions we wish to avoid are mandatory.
  • We are deprived of our rightful share of natural resources.
  • Governments, media, and “big ed” intentionally lie to us via explicit deceit, logical fallacy, and by rewriting the facts of history.
  • Governments are systematically poisoning the strength and relationships of business, family, and society in general.

These evils are unacceptable and will no longer be tolerated by us.

2. We Demand Respect for our Inalienable Rights
Another important element of this puzzle is the concept of inalienable rights.  “Inalienable” means that we cannot loose or dispose of these rights.  We cannot sell them and they never expire.  But most importantly, no political machination or trickery can deprive us of these rights.  Political words and “law” that purport to “prove” that any of our inalienable rights are lost or even diminished are absurd on their face.

3. We Demand to be Governed Only by our Explicit Consent
One of the most important inalienable rights is our right to consent to be governed or not.  I for one never recall consenting to any of what is going on in today’s world.  And in the unlikely event we did, we hereby revoke said consent now. We were born into this system and had nothing to do with creating it, we do not get to share in its abundance nor are we responsible for any of its misdeeds.

4. We Demand our pro-rata Share of Natural Resources
The privileged ones live a good life because they control all of the natural resources while we live a miserable life because we must subsist on the scraps.  We do not covet the hard work and creativity of others.  But nobody created the natural resources and we demand our fair share of them.

5. We Demand the Right of Free Passage
The privileged ones have tiled the Earth with cages and fences and passports and visas.  Nobody has the right to draw lines on a map and then tell us that we have to get permission to cross these lines.

6. We Demand the Right of Free Trade
We demand the recognition of our rights to produce, buy, and sell, whatever we want, to whomever we want, under any conditions that are mutually agreed upon.

7. We Demand the Right of Free Communication
We demand the right of free communication without any prior censorship or interference.

8. We Demand Privacy
We demand that our homes, our persons, our personal property, and our communication is to be private.

9. We Demand to be Left Alone
Which part of don't fuck with us don't you get?

10. We Demand the Right of Self Defense
The privileged ones live a very secure life inside their war machine.  We demand that our right of self-defense be recognized as well.

http://67.208.112.48/brotherhood/index.php?topic=3.0

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:19 | 1890863 Crumbles
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Well said - cue cheers & thunderous applause. + 1000

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:53 | 1890949 Sqworl
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Wake up MoFo's...It's on like Donkey Kong!!...All the fraud that is going on and nobody goes to jail....but they arrest kids protesting???? Bloomberg's dance like an Egyptian moment is here!

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:29 | 1891045 Bagbalm
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This aimless running back and forth trying to disperse a crowd that out-numbered them was exactly how Kent state happened. The Guard was chasing the students all over with no clear plan of action or end goal and when they found themselves tired and pressed they were ready to open fire with no regard for the public going about their business behind the mob.

I could easily see the same thing happening here.

Fri, 11/18/2011 - 10:57 | 1891134 TheAkashicRecord
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For those who think this is some sort of Obama front, please read on ... also if you are wondering why it seems Zerohedge supports the movement (whether or not it is explicit, there has been a lot of positive coverage) ... please see the 2nd and 3rd quote.

"According to a survey of Zuccotti Park protesters by the Baruch College School of Public Affairs published on October 19, of 1,619 web respondents, 1/3 were older than 35, half were employed full-time, 13% were unemployed and 13% earned over $75,000. 27.3% of the respondents called themselves Democrats, 2.4% called themselves Republicans, while the rest, 70%, called themselves independents." (Bloomberg)

"Many protesters, in turn, are contemptuous of Democrats, arguing that both political parties are equally beholden to corporate interests and responsible for enacting policies that have hurt the middle class" (Bloomberg)

"The Occupy movement is rooted in the idea that the political system is broken to such a degree that we can no longer work through the Republican or Democratic parties," Tim Franzen, a spokesman for Occupy Atlanta, said." (Bloomberg)

"An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote." (WSJ)

"Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party." (WSJ)

 

Our models of reality, when it comes to things that can be measured, should be influenced by numbers, not our preconceived notions and prejudices concerning what is and what isn't.  

The numbers indicate a number of things which are contrary to many media narratives.  

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