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Here Comes "Going Postal" The Sequel: US Postal Service To Cut 120,000 Jobs To Avoid Bankruptcy

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That the US postal service is on the verge of bankruptcy is well-known by now and was discussed by Zero Hedge long before it became mainstream news. Furthermore, as we previously noted, the key sticking point in cost reduction negotiations is the labor force compensation (80% of all costs), which is paid an average of $41.15 an hour, and which is over 60% unionized. As of today, we finally welcome the USPS to reality which has announced that, in an attempt to avoid bankruptcy, it is now seeking to reduce its total overhead by 20%, or a whopping 120,000 workers (a number which would amount to roughly an increase of 0.1% in the national unemployment rate). Ah yes, but this is prohibited by existing union contracts. Furthermore, WaPo writes that "SPS also wants to withdraw its employees from the health and retirement plans that cover federal staffers and create its own benefit programs for postal employees." Good luck trying to convince a labor union that cutting an ungodly amount of jobs is for the greater good. Alas, what happened in Greece (and what is about to happen in Italy) will be nothing compared to what will happen when the entire post office goes, well, postal.

This major restructuring of the Postal Service’s relationship with its workforce would need congressional approval and would face fierce opposition from postal unions. But if approved, eliminating contract provisions that prevent layoffs and quitting the federal employee health and retirement programs could have ramifications for workers across the government and throughout the national’s labor movement.


In a notice to employees informing them of its proposals, with the headline “Financial crisis calls for significant actions,” the Postal Service said “we will be insolvent next month due to significant declines in mail volume and retiree health benefit prefunding costs imposed by Congress.”


The Postal Service plan is described in two draft documents obtained by The Washington Post. A “Workforce Optimization” paper acknowledges “that asking Congress to eliminate the layoff protections in our collective bargaining agreements is an extraordinary request by the Postal Service, and we do not make this request lightly. However, exceptional circumstances require exceptional remedies.


“The Postal Service is facing dire economic challenges that threaten its very existence. . . . If the Postal Service was a private sector business, it would have filed for bankruptcy and utilized the reorganization process to restructure its labor agreements to reflect the new financial reality.”

And here are the number that will shortly be repeated ad nauseam on every talk show over the next week:

The USPS says it needs to reduce its workforce by 120,000 career positions by 2015, in addition to the 100,000 it expects through regular attrition. Some of the 120,000 could come through buyouts and other programs, but a significant number likely would be the result of layoffs, if Congress allows the agency to circumvent union contracts.

But what is a labor loving president to do (recall how in the Detroit-3 restructurings, labor unions just incidentally took precedence over secured debt holders):

“Unfortunately, the collective bargaining agreements between the Postal Service and our unionized employees contain layoff restrictions that make it impossible to reduce the size of our workforce by the amount required by 2015,” according to the postal document. “Therefore, a legislative change is needed to eliminate the layoff protections in our collective bargaining agreements.”

Those most likely to suffer yet another political whiplash as a result of this huge dilemma (massive layoffs or no more snail mail) is the democratic party:

How Congress will respond to the postal proposals remains to be seen. Many Republicans, including those who have sponsored legislation that labor considers anti-union, may support the plan. Some Democrats probably would back union opposition. But the Postal Service’s critical financial situation could make Democrats have second thoughts.

Sure enough, the unions wasted no time to craft a response:

American Postal Workers Union President Cliff Guffey said, “The APWU will vehemently oppose any attempt to destroy the collective bargaining rights of postal employees or tamper with our recently-negotiated contract — whether by postal management or members of Congress.”


National Rural Letter Carriers’ Association President Don Cantriel: “We are absolutely opposed” to the layoff proposal. “We are opposed to pulling out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. Our advisers are not advising us at all to even consider it.”


National Association of Letter Carriers President Fredric V. Rolando: “The issues of lay-off protection and health benefits are specifically covered by our contract. . . . The Congress of the United States does not engage in contract negotiations with unions and we do not believe they are about to do so.”

Unfortunately, about 30 years after its inception, the USPS is about to remind America what the source of the "going postal" phrase really is.


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Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:06 | 1552592 problemfixr
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Wow!  Where is everyone?

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:08 | 1552599 Shell Game
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Fix that problem, pronto!

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:19 | 1552616 anynonmous
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Stick-On Tattoos Go Electric: Micro-Electronics, Elegant Design and Existing Tattoo Tech Combine to Create Complex Device


as in 666

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:43 | 1552710 dwdollar
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I was reading about that.  It seems like a lot of hype at this point.  Scientists have a habit of doing that to sucker more venture capital into their money pits.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:44 | 1552835 anynonmous
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no question hype

like the foolish bar code hype  of a few decades ago

and all that RFID nonsense /  think about it a tiny chip that can track a product -- clearly the figment of a conspiracy nutter's mind

so the idea of an EES attached to a person is clearly pure science fiction

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:46 | 1553246 Richardk888
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RFID is a real technology in use today.  I am an RF engineer and can attest to that.  Colleges offer courses devoted solely to this new and upcoming technology.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:46 | 1553365 spdrdr
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None too good with sarcasm, hey?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:34 | 1553437 Bananamerican
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I'm pre-med in my quest for an Indigent organ harvesting license from the Soylent Corporation....soon i will be at the "cutting edge" of this exciting and lucrative new growth field Richard!!!!!!

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:17 | 1553000 Thomas
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Speaking of scientists, Pfizer is planning on a 25% researcher layoff this month. In about five years everybody will be asking, "How's that pipeline working' for ya?" The good news is that the Pfizer guys can apply for jobs at the Post Office.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:36 | 1553064 pods
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Cousin is a scientist in Groton. Been tough for a couple of years.  Him and his wife are there.  Sweating bullets.

They (Pfizer) bought Wyeth only for their pipeline.  We just hired a scientist who was up in Pearl River.  Said things ain't merry up there.

It is cheaper for them to buyout patents or even smaller pharma than to keep R&D online.  They are fast becoming a hedge fund who sells drugs.


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:20 | 1553186 Larry Darrell
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THey shoud be careful.  The CIA doesn't like competition in the drug dealing department.


Oh, you mean prescription drugs, nevermind.


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:43 | 1553082 Rodent Freikorps
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How many drugs has National Healthcare developed?

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:08 | 1553161 A Lunatic
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Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:13 | 1553167 wisefool
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also snark: legumns, coffee and an LLM tax will cure cancer.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:27 | 1553034 The-Dirty-Scurd
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Rev 7:3 God's servants sealed in thier forehead. Rev 22:4 his name selaed in thier foreheads. there are otehr sppots of being selaed IN the forehead.

stuff like this rfid and things of this nature are to throw people off of the true mark and meaning. which is easy when we cherry pick, do not seek objectively and study for ourselves(more than a few videos on youtube or article from some person). Just like many believe Obama is the antichrist when in fact he is not. he is A antichrist but not THE antichrist. there are many. but only one head and first of them. it is to throw people off from truth. when satan is put on display for the world and kings to whore after, because he will come and offer to save the world form all these economic turmoils, wars, famines, diseases and disasters, and with his 7 thousand fallen. exalting himself above all. so many will believe the lies and wonders and be selaed in thier forehead and believe he is saviour to this mess and in thier hand because they will do his bidding and work and no one will be able to buy or sell in his system because youll have to worship him and his new system.

this rfid type system  is and has alreayd been used for a long long time. also you cannot buy or sell without dollars or w/e other currency. sure you can trade in stuff for dollars but can you buy gas with a gold coin? anywhere? or do you need w/e reconized currency in that area that some govt printed? already used system. when satan is put on display itll be a new deal. because itll be direct worship of him and his supposed coming with his 7k to save the world and bring peace. part of his doctrine is the fly-away to save your soul stuff as well. when did God ever  need to fly awya his people? sodom people were taken, Lot was left.days of noah, heathens(nephilim as well) were taken, noah was left. many more examples. ones taken in the field will be taken in by lies and the ones left will be left working to tell truth. many are looking to space or alien to bring us in to a new age or w/e and phony churches have been teaching this fly away stuff(fly ot another planet or galaxy or w/e NASA govt funded stuff they have been pushing. like other new age propaganda). not even alien but rapture in general lies. see Ezek ch13 and how God hates fly away to save your soul doctrines. Thess is taken out of context for support of it in most cases and there is a lot lost in translation and transliteration. to much info could go on all day. but enough of my ramblings. best bet if you belive in things like mark of beast and such to pray on it and ask God. if you are true he will help. ask him because we are in very very tricky and deceptive times. for certain men crept in unawares...

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:28 | 1553205 sullymandias
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Seven thousand words scripted out in rhyme

And I've got some too but in the meantime

I'll step from the flow 'cause that is my way

I know what's when hey what can I say

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 05:18 | 1553551 Escapeclaws
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What a great idea, especially for Homeland Security, which will give them a heads up on any potential terrorist activity. I know some of us worry about government intrusion into our lives, but just realize that you have nothing to worry about if you don't break the law.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 09:05 | 1553817 Abitdodgie
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There is over 70,000 laws in America good luck

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:33 | 1553056 Shocker
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Exactly what I been talking about for a while now. The mess with the economy is not good at all. We need to some serious changes, to get us in the right direction

For a list, its insane

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:22 | 1552633 trav7777
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look at USPS's employment demographics...does that "look like america"?

the jobs programs (USPS, FNM, FRE, Federal Agencies) that created the artificial black middle class are going to evaporate because the nation can no longer afford this carrying cost and none of the organizations that hired for race reasons have failed to be completely fuckin destroyed by the hiring and promotion policies

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:33 | 1552674 israhole
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Agian, you're right on the money.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:13 | 1552964 Libertarians fo...
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Well, it's not surprising that the bigots begin to slither from their rocks to support Grand Wizard Breivik.

Have you read Breivik's manifesto yet?  Too bad it's 1500 pages.  Maybe Simon and Shuster can call up Palin's ghost writer and make a coloring book version for its intended audience.  Shame for such a sold piece of white supremacy to go to waste.  


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:17 | 1553001 Rodent Freikorps
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Nice. You want to beat me over the head with Tim McVeigh next?

I don't feel the guilt.

Fuck you for what you are trying to do.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:05 | 1553157 Libertarians fo...
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WTF?  Who are you?  This isn't about you, unless you're a bigot, a racist redneck pig or a white supremacist from the bowels of the Confederacy.  Isn't it ironic when people who live such offensive lives, get offended?  *LOL*    

This isn't about guilt; it's about narrow-minded idiocy.  Furthermore, I've never met a doomer libertarian who felt guilt about anything, so I'd never expect it. It's impossible to feel guilt when your cranium has been jet-puffed with White-Trash Marshmallow Fluff.

Saddle up the Camaros, pilgrim!  This redneck done got mad!



Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:18 | 1553179 Rodent Freikorps
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So, the whole Brevik thing was about tarring whites?

Thought so.

Fish somewhere else.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:21 | 1553188 Vic Vinegar
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Rodent and Libertarians - you are both some of the better commenters on Zero Hedge.  An afterhours version of SheepDog-One and RobotTrader, perhaps?

Keep in mind there are spacemonkeys out here who enjoy both sides of these comments.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:31 | 1553212 Spastica Rex
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And neither.

Just sayin'.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:53 | 1553267 Vic Vinegar
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Well  you are one of the better ones, too.  Maybe it's weird to like hearing from all five of you.  So  it goes.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 02:34 | 1553476 AnAnonymous
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Do worse ones exist in your books?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 07:22 | 1553609 j0nx
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LfP: Do you ever post anything relevant here or is it always a race bait with you? Your shit is getting old, particularly with your ironic avatar.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:27 | 1553030 sun tzu
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Hitler Nazi Racist Bigot Facist KKK blah blah blah

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 09:09 | 1553828 Abitdodgie
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At least Hitler was up for getting gid of Zionist

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:38 | 1553069 pods
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Is Sac gonna bring that junk button back online?


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:15 | 1553173 Prometheus418
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So says the guy with the smiley face Hitler avitar.  Troll.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:50 | 1553260 Burnbright
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Lib, not to defend Trav but what he said is not racist, it is only racist if you read into what you want to, and it doesn't help that he often does say racist things. However their is nothing wrong with saying that many places like the USPS are failing because of hiring policy, not because of the black demographic.

Highering people because you want to fill some sort of race quota is destined for failure bottom line.

I do find it appalling though that so many people on these message boards are continually blaming black people for society ills, or Jewish people, or whom ever. The real difference between people are in the choices we make and our ideological stances. Sad to see so many people I agree with on other levels stoop low enough to blame an entire culture for something a number of individuals within that culture are doing.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 04:15 | 1553539 TN Jed
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Your fyerd.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 05:35 | 1553554 Miss anthrope
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I am so sorry to spoil your lovely egalitarian dream but I am NOW a racist.  I grew up just like you.  And I have to say that after many years on this earth and after careful consideration of the empirical data, blacks..... on the LARGE majority....... believe they are owed something by the rest of society.  There ARE exceptions of course but I am talking about their ENTIRE CULTURE here.  The entire culture you are defending.  It is so sad to say.  When I was in primary school my best friend was black.  She is now passed away but I grew up truly not knowing or caring about the difference.  But with the years and the wisdom of experience I must say I am now a racist...... sadly.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 08:32 | 1553738 Absinthe Minded
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I understand your feelings. I went to school in a predominantly white school system in the Northeast. There were only a few black kids in my entire school even through high school, but they were good students and friends. I work with a few black people now, they are good co-workers and friends. The crap that's going on in some parts of the country though is disgusting. When people believe they deserve reparations for something my daddy's, daddy's, daddy did, they're just being morons. When Bill Cosby said that black people need to take responsibility of their own lives and stop blaming their shortcomings on being kept down by the white man they accused him of being an Uncle Tom. There are a lot of great black men they can look up to, Colin Powell, Herman Cain, Tiger Woods(oops, strike that) But they get taken in by Al Sharpton and other dopes that think they all deserve a free ride because of something their great grand parents went through.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 12:46 | 1554579 ZeroHour
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Thomas Sowell is one very good thinker:

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:53 | 1553379 CompassionateFascist
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Read it. He's a judeophile and a rabid Zionist. Fantasized about going back to Germany 1933 in a time machine and killing Hitler. And look who he murdered: white kids at an anti-Israel forum. "Neo-Nazi"? "WN"? More like a Mossad gunsel. Would've made a first-rate P/O hire, tho.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 06:07 | 1553563 GoldBricker
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My theory is that Trav777 is making idiotic replies to his own posts just to make himself look better? Well, he's not going to fool me. Anyone who reads ZH can't stay that stupid; his ruse isn't credible.

This is the fight club, not the group-think faculty club.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 06:15 | 1553565 israhole
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Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:33 | 1552678 SilverRhino
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There are 120,000 workers that will NEVER have the same standard of living again.  When was the last time you saw someone with a postal job come into the private sector and do BETTER? 

Then again Trav they may just fire the white folks.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:23 | 1552831 JohnG
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Trav will love this one....

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:53 | 1553266 JW n FL
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i had tears rolling down my checks!! I was laughing so hard!

dumbass America will be bent over again and again and NO! ONE!! will say anything!

Fucking Cowards!

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:46 | 1552905 warchopper
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Don't worry. I'm sure the TSA will figure out how to add another 120,000 workers. The TSA, unlike USPS, can't go bankrupt.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:22 | 1553013 Rodent Freikorps
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TSA is broke. You didn't hear that from me.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 12:50 | 1554589 ZeroHour
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Maybe not monetary bankrupt but morally bankrupt is almost a given.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:21 | 1553010 Rodent Freikorps
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Are you willing to go on record as saying the USPS has become just another Affirmitive Action program?

That would be crazy since it is yet another failed govt. program.

Should we look at the demographics of all the failed govt. programs?

I'm game.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:34 | 1553057 SilverRhino
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I think I just did.  

I dont discriminate by skin color.  I discriminate based on your culture.  Urban black culture is beyond pathetic.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:47 | 1553098 Rodent Freikorps
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I tried to look for evidence of a great civilization born in Africa. I failed.

The best I could get was Farrakhan claiming whites stole the airplane from africans.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:17 | 1553178 Prometheus418
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What about Egypt?  

Long time ago, I know- but it's mostly on the African continent.

You are essentially right, though- there'e no excuse for the behavior of the people on that continent- with their natural resources, they should be the breadbasket of the world, not a hell hole.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:28 | 1553185 Rodent Freikorps
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Some claim some blacks conquered it for about two hundred years.

The did not build it.

Don't get me wrong. If there is one kick-ass black population, it is the Ethiopians. I'd call them brothers. Same as I'd call Kurds, or Gurkhas brothers.

There were Native American warrior cultures, but they are all gone now.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:34 | 1553218 Spastica Rex
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'Cuz they're Christian? Axum was amazing.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:51 | 1553261 Rodent Freikorps
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Almost makes you feel small.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:33 | 1553217 Terminus C
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Shaka Zulu

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:59 | 1553134 T1000
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I agree; it's culture, not skin color. If whitey is so racist, why aren't the prisons filled with Chinese and Indians (from India)? The answer is their respective cultures aren't filled with violent thugs, like you find within the black culture. Black culture is filled with music that glorifies violence. What the hell do they expect?

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:35 | 1553220 Cathartes Aura
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Black culture is filled with music that glorifies violence. What the hell do they expect?

oh please.  what a sheltered life you live, that you've never heard of heavy metal, and it's brothers death metal, deathcore, hardcore, thrash, etc.

ALL white, with screams grunts 'n' growls that would certainly qualify as "barbaric" - and the "glorified violence" in the lyrics?  if you make can out the words in the howling, your toes would curl.

check the band names. . .

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:53 | 1553262 T1000
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I'm not saying white culture isn't violent either, that's why there's plenty of whites in jail. All I'm saying is that the culture is the problem, not the skin color.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:14 | 1553304 Cathartes Aura
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yes, the "culture" of violence is definitely the problem, irrespective of race or colour - the banking culture, the corporate culture, the militarist culture - they're ALL killing us, and deserve equal attention.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:30 | 1553327 T1000
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I agree; it's the culture of violence that creates violence in society. I'd wager that underneath all the racist talk, it really comes down to difference of cultural values. I find it hard to believe that intelligent people actually believe that skin pigment can determine anything, but skin color can become a cultural identifier, a symbol of a particular set of values, making it easy to condemn a skin color, but really it comes down to culture.

I've seen people with black skin color more white than any white person I know, and vice-versa.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:48 | 1553371 Cathartes Aura
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if you care to really look into it, you'll find "race" is a cultural creation & the memes attached vary from culture to culture, and change over time - but mostly "race" is used to divide & distract within hierarchical cultures, as humans are easily taught to compete & denigrate.

race is particularly useful to trot out when nationstates need war to profit from, like now.


Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:07 | 1553393 T1000
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Absolutely. Race doesn't mean shit. It's made up to discard our true tribal cultures. How fucking offensive to lop all "white" people into one "race". What a bunch of bullshit. Like there's no difference between German white, English white, and a white person from Norway. All the same whitey.

You erase the history and you control the future. It's so sad to see all these people have no idea where they originally come from. No idea who they are. Just consumers to consume in the consumption tribe. Sad.

I've traced my people to a region that predates any nation. That is true understanding.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 02:32 | 1553474 blunderdog
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To answer the rhetorical question awhile back:

The biggest reason the prisons are full of blacks is because they're the easiest to pick out of a crowd, and they're statistically the least likely to be able to afford a defense.


You'll see lots of latins, too.  Same reason.

If you actually work for a living, you're just a lucky nigger if you never do time.  Maybe because of your skin color, maybe because you have the right friends, maybe because you know what to kiss and when.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:39 | 1553226 Spastica Rex
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Who makes money off this violent black culture?

Who makes money off the fat white inbred culture at Walmart?

Think maybe culture is a commodity? A product to be marketed and sold? Who's doing this marketing? This selling?

See a connection? No? Retarded?

100% derp.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:54 | 1553268 Rodent Freikorps
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If that were true, it would not be a world wide phenomenom.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:16 | 1553308 Spastica Rex
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I hate to open this can of worms, but I don't follow.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:57 | 1553269 T1000
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Yeah, so blacks are just too stupid to create their own culture. Fuck you, you racist, rebel scum!

I never said the culture wasnt created. I know it is. It's all created. We have a monoculture that has supplanted our traditions, all one big corporate monolith, making the corporate tribe the one to rule them all.

Even though it is a manufactured culture, it doesn't disprove my point that it's culture, not skin color. Derp.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:12 | 1553300 Spastica Rex
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Huh? Whitey? Racist? Equivocator. FOAD.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:28 | 1553332 T1000
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Wha? Can't refute the argument? Gotta call me names? That is fucking low, douchebag.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:43 | 1553359 Spastica Rex
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Listen, chief; equivocation precludes anymore time from me. There's nothing to refute. Hate whatever you want. Blame whatever you want. We're all just disembodied brains on teh interwebs, after all, and I don't give a shit what you think. Bye.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 01:02 | 1553409 T1000
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Listen, princess, try to stay on track. I made the point that it's culture (actually to the detriment of the skin color argument). Then you make a point that its all manufactured, which is actually beside mypoint. It doesn't detract one bit from my argument. Then I asked you to refute the actual argument, not the made up argument in your head that I am racist (by the way, I am a culturist, not a racist).

And c'mon. Let's be real here. You care, you care a lot, and that's why I dig you, man!

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 06:37 | 1553573 NoClueSneaker
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Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:07 | 1553401 CompassionateFascist
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Blacks used to be righteous people. Then a certain savage, nomadic tribe - small and numbers, big in $$$ and media - got hold of them via the welfare/illfare state, gub'mint jobs, crime lobby legal system, and drug culture. Ruined them. Used them. Against the whites. But I won't name this savage, nomadic tribe. That would be Racist.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 06:20 | 1553567 israhole
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And they're all Israel-firsters no matter what host nation they live in.  

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 10:32 | 1554107 fiftybagger
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Wow!  I didn't know the Jesuits were a tribe!

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 02:46 | 1553485 AnAnonymous
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If whitey is so racist, why aren't the prisons filled with Chinese and Indians (from India)?

Because they cant?

Funny how the meme of equality sips in at will when it is necessary to comfort US citizens in their shallow propaganda.

US citizens can not discriminate equally against each group of people, that is why.

Three groups of people have been progressing in the US since the 1950s: Chinese, Indians and Jewish people.

Their rise has paralleled the rise of their home team. It is not a piece of news though. The mass immigration that happened over the last decades gave many samples to check various hypothesis.

US negroes are assimilated in the US, this provides them with nothing to protect them from US white citizens discrimination, same language, same religion, (by the way, the story of celebrating criminals is another token of their assimilation because US citizens culture celebrates criminals, US negroes only come lately to adopting that piece)

The answer is simple (and usual to US citizens): because they cant. If US citizens manage to destroy the social fabric as they managed for US negroes, you will get many Indians and Chinese in jail.

The question is to know whether or not US citizens will manage to achieve the same.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:28 | 1553035 sun tzu
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I knew a postal service mechanic who was making over $100K per year

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:40 | 1553073 decon
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I can't believe these glorified paper boys are making $41/hr. At least the paper boy needs to get up early.  Shit can 'em!

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:14 | 1553170 rocker
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When they print that you must understand. It includes all wages, retirement benefits, health care benifts, social security match by employer, state taxes, and anything else that benefits the employee or is a cost because of employee including uniforms or special needed items to do job.

Unlike CEO wages declared, which don't include all of the above and golden parachute adds, and seats at your favorite basket ball team like Jack Welch gets. Including his lifetime health care 100% paid including diapers. 

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:23 | 1553195 Prometheus418
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I can't believe the rest of us aren't making $41/hr.  

This is turning into a real red herring- internet killed the Post office, not uselessness or inefficiency.  As far as .gov structures go, they have proven themselves over and over again to be the very model of efficiency.  

Look at it objectively for a second- for under a buck, I can hand-letter an envelope and send it to almost anywhere in the US within a couple of days, and expect that it will arrive in near-pristine condition 99.9% of the time.  That's nothing to sneeze at.

I'm actually a little wistful when I see the postman going the way of the dinosaur, but hell, it happened to the coopers and the smiths, and any other number of other professions.  Life goes on.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:49 | 1553254 Kali
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Reminds of my grandmother, lifelong ATT operator.  Good money, good bennies, good pension.  She raised a family on that since my grandfather was a worthless drunk.  Not too long after she retired, human phone operators became obsolete.  Sad really.  I would prefer to have human ones.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:12 | 1553301 cranky-old-geezer
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I doubt anyone is faulting the technology & efficiency. 

Employee overhead costs are the problem, typical of most unionized organizations.  Unions have been pricing their members out of the job market for decades now.

I'm sure management compensation is part of the problem too.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:18 | 1553180 rocker
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100K is a stretch. What did he do. Work on Jet engines, or electronics specialist for the USPS or uncle sam. Whoops, same thing.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:41 | 1552707 Heroic Couplet
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White person I know is 78 years old. Veteran, worked at post office, has a barber shop he still works in at age 78, cash on the barrel head. Father was KKK. But what I really want to say is until you get Cayman Island tax havens done away with, Blacks are going to model their white role models. Black I know, highly intelligent, degree, making 6 figures, decided to have a baby and found a baby daddy. Quit the job, after selling three SUVs she bought. As an unemployed mom, she signed the baby up for every damned government program she could find.

Be careful how you think whites are screwing the system, because the Black community is watching you and figuring out in their own communities how to copy you. Black decided after staying at home for 2 years needed intelligent adult conversation and returned to work. Not at 6 figures, but definitely 5, and that's high 5 to you.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:29 | 1552848 Rodent Freikorps
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I don't think all blacks are corrupt.

I do believe all blacks the Dems take under their wing for political office are corrupt. If not, they would'nt get the party seal of approval.

Sucks for any honest blacks, but what can you do when they vote Dem by 90%? The Rs gave up, and no one else gives a shit.

They are a declining percentage, now that Mexicans are invading.

Blacks fucked up.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:44 | 1552896 LongBalls
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Someone had better keep delivering the phyz or I know a bunch more peeps who will go just as postal!

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:59 | 1552932 duo
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Exactly...who is going to seal my APMEX deliveries if there is no USPS?

No shit, already happened earlier this year.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:30 | 1553210 Prometheus418
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Did you mean "steal"?  

Fair enough, and that's why I generally go to the extra effort of buying via eBay rather than AMPEX.  Aside from the discount, it's much harder for any courier to identify valuables when they are from a private party to a private party, rather than from a known dealer to a private party.  

As to the rest, there is always UPS or FedEX, though in my town, I still trust the postman more than the delivery guys.  (It's a real close race- they're all reliable enough.   It's just that the postman gets to use the box, and the other guys sometimes leave my stuff out in the rain.)

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:11 | 1552974 Heroic Couplet
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Racist BS is exactly that. Until Whites realize Blacks are watching Whites cheat and screw up, concentrate on closing the Cayman Islands tax dodges before you talk about another race. Clean up your own White chit.

Blacks in the US are ONLY 13% of the population, so if all 13% are on entitlements, that is NOT enough to bankrupt the US. There's the other 87%. Just show racist BS for what it is. Teabaggers are only 13% of the US population, so teabaggers are not deciding "debt ceiling" or "tax" anything. Lobby ratasses are the problem.

Sure, there are highly educated, highly intelligent Blacks, and they are quick studies is all I'm saying. So clean up your own white mess first.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:25 | 1553020 Rodent Freikorps
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If I'm white, how many blacks do I have to support to get a pass on the Racist thing?

Give me a number.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:32 | 1553050 sun tzu
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There is no number because it will never be enough

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:57 | 1553131 Heroic Couplet
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According to Dylan Ratigan, 2, you and Warren Buffet's secretary, but not Warren Buffet, the Kock Brothers, or the private bank cartel who pay no taxes and get free money at zero percent interest from the Fed discount window.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:31 | 1553213 rocker
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Karen on Fast Money, (CNBC), once said she thinks that hedge fund manager should pay the same rate on wages earned as regular workers.

This is a most misunderstood known fact and why there are so many hedge funds and HFTs stealing investors money.

They do it for tax rate. Anybody who defends this special priviledged rate is a SCUMBAG who can leave this country.

Even the troops have to pay the same rate as everybody else. What makes the hedge fund trader so special over a troop fighting for them. 

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:56 | 1553273 Rodent Freikorps
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A single flat tax is favors no one.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:55 | 1553270 Prometheus418
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I'm 75% Irish, and 25% Austrian Jew.  My people came from Silesia in 1939, and then immediately enlisted in the US army and air force, and went back to fight Hilter.  I don't need to support any fucking people to get a pass on the "Racist thing," and I won't apologize for it.  We never owned slaves, and fought to help end the NAZI regime- indeed, enough of that generation died that even more in combat, POW and concentration camps than sixty years later, there are only 123 people on the planet that share my surname.

This nonsense never came up when I was being raised, and I never even actually knew it existed until I was an adult and out on my own.  I still don't give a crap about skin color or nationality, and I get riled when people try to keep that old foolishness rolling.  What I've seen is that a "racist" white person is a tiny minority- but every other racial group on the planet feels perfectly happy dumping on each other and us "crackers."

I'm with you, Rodent- there's nothing wrong with being a white person, and I'm not inclined to apologize for it.  Doesn't make me a clan member to refute the guilt trip laid at the feet of every "melatonin-challenged"person at birth.  Nobody ever stood up for me when people called my grandmother a limey or a bog-trotter, or my grandfather a rotten old hook-nosed jew- so piss right off with your PC nonsense.  You want respect, earn it- don't demand it while you loot and whine.

And for what it's worth, my first priority when it comes to game theory for collapse is to defang the neo-nazi militias, and my lieutenants share that view.  Life just ain't as simple as you'd like it to be.  Stop doing the elites' work for them, asswipe.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:16 | 1553412 CompassionateFascist
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You going to disarm us .25 Jewboy? You, Bloomberg, Soros, and who else? But go ahead and give it a try. GUNFIGHTER NATION.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:30 | 1553335 Spastica Rex
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How many are you supporting now?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 02:34 | 1553477 blunderdog
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You'll never quality as white, heeb-boy.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:31 | 1553047 sun tzu
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Don't forget there are 2.5 million negroes in the prison system and 70% of negro children are bastards.

So negroes are getting back at whitey by going to prison and having bastard children? Real smart.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:59 | 1553141 Heroic Couplet
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Matriarchal society, power is passed through the woman and has been for generations. Even Faux News reported on the judge in Pennsylvania convicted of a scam sending children or teens to prison. He's now on his way to prison.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:33 | 1553341 Spastica Rex
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Prisons are a capitlalist growth miracle.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:06 | 1552780 High Plains Drifter
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i didnt know there was such a thing as a white postman , until i moved out of the city....

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:47 | 1552906 rocker
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Hershey Pa and the whole county next to them have All white postman.

What is it. Do they just hire other races in cities because white angry men are too good to be a postman.  WTF  

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:44 | 1552884 Freddie
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FNM and FRE - big time.  Their job is to trade and lose money on mtg'ed backed secs they "trade" with Goldman.  

I was in a JPM branch today.  JPM aka Obama's favorite bank.   I do not have an account.  I will leave out why I went in.  The area is probably 70% white, 15% hispanic and 15% black.  The bank had about 8 employees working.  There was not one caucasian employee.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:55 | 1552888 Libertarians fo...
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Grand Wizard Breivik

This is not the first nor even 50th time you've posted utterly ridiculous commentary which implies the success or failure of various government agencies is correlated to demographics. USPS has a higher percentage of blacks than many other agencies, so this, according to you, is the reason for their failure....  right?  Same with FNM and FRE, right?  Too many blacks making too many bad decisions...

Now, make sure that wihte, cone-shaped hat of yours isn't covering your puuurdy eyes because I'm about to totally eviscerate your racist garbage. 

One, if you're going to correlate demographics to the failure of government agencies, then let's look at our government as a whole, shall we?  How do you excuse the fact that the vast majority of US government civilian workers are white?  Not only are most government workers white, our Congressmen who legislate money to them are, also, mostly white.  I think everyone can safely admit that our government is grossly ineffective and inefficient in virtually every endeavor it takes on.  And, given the following report by the Office of Personnel Management in 2007, our government is overwhelmingly white.  On page 11, you will find that minorities only comprise ~32% of our government workforce.

So, agreeing that our government is remarkably incompetent in all it does, and acknowledging that our government is overwhelmingly white, your bullshit line of logic would suggest that white people must be utterly incompetent, too.  Sweeping generalizations and connecting the wrong dots is fun, isn't it?

Second, do you have any statistics which evaluate the demographics of workers in management positions of the USPS, FRE and FNM?  Enron didn't fail because of the $10/hour support staff; it failed from the top. Same with Lehman.  Similarly, I find it hard to believe that you could blame the neighborhood mail carrier, general mail clerks, data clerks and office staff for the decisions that led to the demise of the USPS, FRE and FNM. What are the demographics of the management who made the fateful decisions?  That's where the blame should be focused.  Oh, and Congress, too, which is..... mostly white.

Third, what are the demographics of the Congressmen who voted for the various jobs programs and diversity mandates?  Is it the black man's fault that the white man offered him a job that pays better than average?

Fourth, what is the difference between the "artificial black middle class" that you mock and the artificial white middle class that lives in a $200k house with a $300k lien, drives a $30k Tahoe with a $45k lien, buys iPads with 12% Visa cards, votes for idiots like Palin, watches American Idol and is embarrassingly oblivious to the house of cards our country has become?

People like YOU contribute to the problems in this country by furthering bullshit, archaic, hollow ideologies/vendettas which do nothing other than divide us. You're no different than MSN or Faux who take every crisis as an opportunity to blame the "other" team.  You're no different than Glenn Beck who takes every crisis as an opportunity to scare the shit out of narrow-minded conservatives.  You're no different than Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who take every crisis as an opportunity to blame pagans and homosexuals. You're one level of bigotry, racism and hate-mongering away from blaming blacks for hurricanes, aren't you?

You remind me of Kaczynski. Very smart.  Total lunatic. 



Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:59 | 1552934 11b40
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Well said.  Nice Rant!  Thanks.

Independent Contractor

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:11 | 1552976 Rick64
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Yes well stated. Mismanagement at the top has usually been the cause of failure in any business. IMO.  It doesn't help that each agency isn't held accountable to their budget and are basically given a blank check or in the USPO's case a line of credit from the treasury dept..  It should be demanded that they at least break even and if cuts are neccessary then start with the executives that are overpaid even though they are incompetent.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:06 | 1552958 Cathartes Aura
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great post.

I like you better when you're not trollin' - but I understand the draw of just wanting to agitate the ditto-ness of many threads here - still, that was good.

weird how there's no "ban-hammer" threats on THIS thread, hmmm?

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:22 | 1553008 centerline
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Got to ignore the race part of it and take it face value for the balance of the content.  The Gov has done the same thing with jobs that is has done with housing... create opportunities where they should not have existed for obvious reasons.  Not the mention the culprit of a failing monetary system wherein GDP, employment and price stablity can only be bouyed up via a circlejerk of expanding government built upon lies.


Face it, too many people are paid way too much relative to private sector, and a great deal of this discepancy is slanted towards the lower end of the qualification spectrum, regardless of race.  If you don't believe me, just ask a struggling lawyer or architect or other professional how they feel about garbage collectors pulling down nearly 100K plus pension in some areas... or warehouse managers in the middle of east-bumble-fuck USA making $60k+.  Inequalities like this dont last forever.



Fri, 08/12/2011 - 08:48 | 1553772 Bob
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I have no resentment of a garbage collector nailing $100k . . . he must be the world's best, right?  There obviously are very, very few people paid at that level in his line of work.  Think executive salaries.  Me thinks I could not do the garbage myself--all day, every day--nor could most people.

And resenting a warehouse manager for making $60k?  That's just ridiculous. 

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:14 | 1553172 A Lunatic
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I see nothing wrong with being a lunatic.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:03 | 1553286 Prometheus418
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"People like YOU contribute to the problems in this country by furthering bullshit, archaic, hollow ideologies/vendettas which do nothing other than divide us. You're no different than MSN or Faux who take every crisis as an opportunity to blame the "other" team."

Mea maxima culpa.

I take back the ranting in previous posts in so far as they were directed towards you.  Thanks for clarifying your position.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 13:45 | 1554808 Absinthe Minded
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You really think our government white, black, fucking purple can really be this incompetent? It is not their color, it's their allegiance to a fucktarded party Growing up my parents were lower middle class and Democrats so I kind of was too. As I got older and realized they just wanted to give my money away I became a Republican. Now that I have become enlightened ( thank you Zero Hedge, no not Glenn Beck) I realize there is no party worth being part of. The minute you pronounce allegiance to one party you are labeled. What am I? I don't know. My wife and I both work, we have two kids, we own a house and we pay taxes. Do I think I should have a say in abortion ? No. Do I think it's right? No. I'm just your average middle of the road guy is tired of the government spending my grand childrens money.  Oh yeah, I'm tired of your bullshit rambling to make a point that I could not give a shit less about. 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 17:56 | 1555741 Libertarians fo...
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You really think our government white, black, fucking purple can really be this incompetent? It is not their color, it's their allegiance to a fucktarded party...

Um, actually this is pretty much exactly what I was saying.  The color of government employees has NOTHING to do with its success or failure.  Trav, on the other hand, thinks color plays a pivotal role in our government's demise.

I'm tired of your bullshit rambling to make a point that I could not give a shit less about. 

Easy fix.  Don't read my posts, let alone respond to them.  Idiot.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 22:09 | 1552970 centerline
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The ugly truth.  But true it is.  Like I have said since the beginning, penions and all that jazz are toast.  There is no peaceful retreat here.  Everyone wants what they were promised - no matter how outrageous it is.  And precisely because of that, everyone will get nothing.

A world where public sector blue collar jobs pay private sector white collar wages - plus benefits and pension above and beyond - makes me wonder who is dumb enough to think it won't end in tears at some point.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 09:27 | 1553808 Bob
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A world where fewer and fewer people have white collar jobs is one where things will most definitely end in tears.  Too bad there are so many self-important, entitled "white collar" people still playing the divide and conquer nonsense based on collar color . . . if they had a clue, they would realize it is labor itself that has been screwed in the neoliberal financialization of our economy and they would see what's in store for them.

Keep bitching about the "unfairness" of the markets, boyz!  What you're gonna find is that you've been replaced by more "efficient" machines you simply can't compete with that have been put in place by big money that is completely beyond your control.  Sure, there are lots of high-minded arguments for "saving the markets" and all, but bottom line is that folks around here are begging for protection in a changing world.  Sound familiar?

Mindless "competition" is one crazy bitch.  And nobody loves her better than people who control mountains of money. 

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 08:26 | 1553721 FrankIvy
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Trav wrote: "Look at USPS's employment demographics...does that "look like america"?"

Based on the 2000-2002 data, pretty close.

Quick conclusion - in the USPS, relative to population %, black men and women and white men are overrepresented, and white women are underrepresented.

But I don't need to cite the 10% or so of the USPS that represents overrepresented blacks to explain why a government agency is failing.

I'll just cite this - the white male lazy f-cker who delivers my mail won't drive up my driveway if there's a package too large for the box.  He leaves a little note and I have to drive 8 miles to go get it.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 09:15 | 1553794 fiftybagger
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Here are some interesting numbers.  Conclude what you will from them:



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Fri, 08/12/2011 - 09:16 | 1553846 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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I heard that the "artificial black middle class" is much better than the real kind

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 11:57 | 1554443 SPADOC4
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Wow. I think you must live in my neighborhood.

My town in 90% white, but EVERY post office employee is Black with two exceptions (both asian)

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:05 | 1552773 max2205
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What no US Netflix Delivery Service. How can I live without these assholes peeing in my yard

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:07 | 1552595 billwilson
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In comparison - up in Canuckistan - the Canadian Post Office has made a profit for 16 years in a row - and yes it is a government controlled corporation - see governments can do some things well.. Of course no Saturday delivery and a lot fewer post offices ... Still who uses the post office anyway.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:23 | 1552638 trav7777
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compare the employment demographics of your PS versus ours

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:34 | 1552681 tarsubil
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Hey, they have 100% Canadians!

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:07 | 1552783 pods
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You got a LOT of time on your hands.  Can't you find a hobby?


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:27 | 1552841 IQ 145
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Hey ! Yeah, LOL. Canadians are great. Living there is a kind of a stress test; if you can't stand the winter; they didn't need you anyway.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 23:43 | 1553234 Terminus C
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-40 bitchez!

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:04 | 1553397 spdrdr
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Dude, are we talking Farenheit or Celsius?

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 02:35 | 1553478 Diet Coke and F...
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First one, than the other...

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:07 | 1552784 High Plains Drifter
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i think you canadians ought to get rid of all of the illegal greek immigrants you have living up there, especially the ones living in montreal...........:)

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:37 | 1552874 2DollarBill
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not to mention, that when they went out on Strike in June, no one noticed, or cared.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:07 | 1552596 km4
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Why does the Postal Service hate the crooks on Wall St and the fools in Wash DC after a big up market day ;)

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:08 | 1552597 High Plains Drifter
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would the government screw government employee's and their unions?   yes they would and yes they will.   there is no "safe" place anymore. these people have always thought they could put in their 20 and then move to florida. well too bad, ain't goin to happen,

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:08 | 1552598 Thomas Jefferson
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I'm pissed.  Who is going to deliver my junk mail now. 

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:13 | 1552610 -Michelle-
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Yes, God help me if I can't get all of my unsolicited 0% interest rate credit card offers, Gerber Life Insurance applications, and 20% off Bed, Bath, & Beyond coupons every week.  I'll have to actually buy paper for my son to color on.

Whatever shall I do?

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:18 | 1552624 Rodent Freikorps
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I save my junk mail, and get about two weeks of free heat during the winter when I burn it in the stove.

I'm green like that.

Or just cheap.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:32 | 1552671 Poule Mouillee
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I also save mine, but for different reasons.  Every now and then I'll grab a beer and start sorting the junk.  Any pre-paid envelopes get stuffed with junk from some other unsolicited mail, sealed, and put in the mail at their cost.  I figure I'm doing my bit for the postal economy that way, and passing along valuable offers to others that just might take advantage of them.  Seems a shame not to use a pre-paid envelope...

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:35 | 1552684 DCFusor
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I do the junk mail into kindling thing too, have for years, very convienient, though paper shopping bags work better.

You're doing it wrong Poule -- you're supposed to stick them to a brick, or some heavy chunk of garbage first.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:55 | 1552749 Yes_Questions
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Got a mailbox at a retail type outlet.  No junk.

Totally worth the fee ~15/month.  And they can accept fed ex/UPS etc..

I go there once a month for mail.  What little totally useless mail goes to mailbox, never comes home...


Fri, 08/12/2011 - 00:06 | 1553291 RockyRacoon
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The USPS delivers the mail to your private mail box.   No USPS -- no mail.   Did you think it just magically appeared there?


Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:23 | 1552830 KowPie
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Wow. That's a great idea. I usually open them and put the same company's junk back in their own pre paid envelopes. I always thought they mailed it by mistake and wanted it back. I never thought of sending it to another company to help their employees out. How magnanumous of you. I shall follow suit!

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:32 | 1552855 Rodent Freikorps
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The easy FU is to just attach it to a phone book.

That is what I do with RNC mailers these days.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 21:36 | 1552873 Poule Mouillee
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Sometimes I also include things like soup-can labels in case their kids are collecting them.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1552689 SilverRhino
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Junk mail makes good firestarting material.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:36 | 1552688 MarkD
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No shit.

Actually our mailbox is roughfly 75' from our house and my wife and I fight over who has to get the mail. Sometimes it sits in the mailbox for 3 or 4 days.

All junk.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 09:20 | 1553858 Abitdodgie
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Mine is 1/2 a mile away it sit there for a long time , and its onlt bills anyway

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 20:55 | 1552751 disabledvet
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easy there TJ. You made that bed you know...

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