Here We Go Again: US To Breach "Transitory" Debt Ceiling On Monday

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Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:47 | 1647926 Roy Bush
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Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:35 | 1648099 CrashisOptimistic
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The unreported story is that if that guy's stimulus passes, it will move the ceiling up pre Election Day.

That fight will get refought in September of next year.  Yes, the fight that cost him 15% of approval.

I'm not all that anti Obama, but the profoundly stupid things he does are really mind boggling.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:47 | 1647929 Jumbotron
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Another chance for conservatives and libertarians to cave.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:52 | 1647932 Stoploss
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So much for the queasing.


That's a handy little piece of information to have right there.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:53 | 1647954 Jumbotron
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Cue Boehner tears.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:57 | 1647972 Cash_is_Trash
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The ceiling, the ceiling is on fire!

We don't need no fiat, let the Cash_Is_Trash burn!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:55 | 1647964 Jumbotron
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Pardon me.....

Another chance for conservatives to cave and libertarians to show how ineffectual they are.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:18 | 1648011 MillionDollarBonus_
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Libertarians have been completely discredited. Equity prices have plummeted over the last few weeks as market participants have been unable to think positively and unwilling to spend. This is PROOF of the disastrous nature of free market prices. OBVIOUSLY the opinion of an eloquent and charismatic nobel prize winner like Dr Paul Krugman is worth more than some redneck doomer libertarian in a pickup truck. And hence experts should have a larger influence on prices and capital allocation than the common people. It's just common sense! I'm sure Keynes is turning in his grave while all these irrational and incompetent market participants continue to distort our economy with their quaint, naive and uninformed opinions.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:19 | 1648042 NotApplicable
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Oh yeah! Well my truck is paid for, thank you.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:34 | 1648094 j0nx
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Are you for real dufus or are you just trolling for neg hits?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:38 | 1648109 RichyRoo
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I'm pretty sure MillionDollarBonus_ is being sarcastic, but for those reading along at home...

The crash of 07/08 was in fact proof that central planning fails and the free market will revert to some semblance of true percieved speculative value at some point. The market was propped up for too long by cheap money, and the mortgages underlying MBS were mispriced in risk terms. These were failures of central planning.

The Crash was the market fixing these problems, and if the central planners had kept out of the way, the companies involved (TBTF) would have been efficiently broken up and the profitable parts purchased by investors at a more reasonable value. The worthless bits would have been written off, and those who foolishly invested in them would have lost their money. Which is free market capitalism.

This would have been bad for retirees who were unwittingly forced by central planners to invest in assets of poor quality, but again that is a failure of central planning, not the market.

To prop up asset values in the vain hope that things will change back to how they were is ridiculous. Libertarians were right, the market was right, the Keynesians and central planners are wrong and the market will prevail eventually as it always has since well before Adam Smith or the invention of the term 'free market' or 'capitalism' because people will only pay what they can for what they need and eventually the illusions are dispelled.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:47 | 1648139 MillionDollarBonus_
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You're argument is based on the premise that all opinions are equal in the market place. But this simply isn't true. The crash happens only because the general population decide to pay less for stocks. They make these decisions based on quaint, peasant-like preferences. Only PROVEN professionals and seasoned pros should be pricing goods in the market place, and the rest of the population shouldn't have to worry about these issues since they are far to complicated. They can happily trade goods and services at the prices set by the experts. In this system, market crashes are a thing of the past because the experts are too cool headed and professional to panic and set lower prices.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 19:19 | 1648315 AuShoot
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That's funny shit.  Thanks for the laugh.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 19:24 | 1648367 spinone
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Hard to take economic analysis from someone who doesn't know your from you're. Thanks for checking in from the flyover states. Come again soon.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 20:07 | 1648683 GPW
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You're putting us on aren't you?  No one could be as moronic as you appear to be.  

Fri, 09/09/2011 - 00:01 | 1649546 CapitalAnarchy
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Does anyone remember economics is a study of human behavior? "Professionals" and "experts" don't set prices. Prices are agreed upon by individuals participating in a transaction based upon self-interest. Is MillionDollarBonus a bad comedian, not finished with undergraduate studies, or just plain retarded? Sorry, just had to add some sort of ad hominem attack in the end there. Fucking stupid.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:41 | 1648120 andybev01
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Doomer libertarians, redneck or otherwise, drive Volvo's.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:59 | 1648173 Moe Howard
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Hey, million dollar dickhed, there is no nobel prize for economics, and loser krugman never got a nobel, as cheap as they are given out. Example: warmonger obama gets one - war on libya "just because".

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:14 | 1648033 tmosley
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Eh?  What libertarians?

The people the Tea Party voted for have proven quite clearly that they aren't libertarian.  It's still just Ron out there, so far as I know.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:27 | 1648045 UGrev
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Thank you for saying this.. I fully concur. They are too busy whooping up Bachman who is clearly not presidential material in my opinion and then singing up the praises of Perry the Platypus.. the "double agent" who says he's conservative but actually plays for the elites. 

Ron Paul.. check the box or write in.. 

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 19:05 | 1648199 Moe Howard
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Decepti-con Perry is the opposite of what he claims to be, in a bizzaro way. Example: Claims to be conservative, was state Algore 4 President campaign manager in Tx. Claims to be hereto, is actually gayboy. More to follow

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:49 | 1647936 ArkansasAngie
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Hot dog!  That was so much fun last time. 

It would have been better if it was announced before Obummer's speech tonight.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:49 | 1647937 LookingWithAmazement
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But but but ... the debt ceiling was raised last month? Or not?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:54 | 1647956 fishface
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the stingy bastards



Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:58 | 1647977 Cash_is_Trash
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Obviously transitory....

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:53 | 1648159 William Murderface
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Just think, another $500 billion and we can keep Solyndra in business at least another 12-18 months.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:54 | 1648163 Squid-puppets a...
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yes LookingWithAmazement, it was raised.


If you havent been privvy to developments, prior to the agreement the govt was raiding the social security piggybank, and as soon as the debt ceiling was raised it repaid that piggybank (or so were led to believe) and that ate up much of the debt ceiling increase already

question, how much faith do you have in the basic mathematics skills of your congressmen & senators???

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 19:57 | 1648613 LookingWithAmazement
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They haven't reached the $16.772 trillion yet. So what's the problem?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:50 | 1647938 oogs66
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but by then we will have obama's job plan so all will be good!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 19:57 | 1648619 LookingWithAmazement
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Exactly. Boring world we live in.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:50 | 1647940 EscapeKey
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How convenient. This debt ceiling will be broken, announced as "transitory", hence meaningless, and then when the real ceiling break eventually occours will be written off as insignificant, as it was already broken on this occasion.

Or am I just a cynic?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:50 | 1647941 walküre
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This should bring EURUSD back to 1.45 next week.

Until.. Greece defaults (finally officially) and the USDEUR can go higher.

Depending on the schedule of default news and debt limit increases, the EUR could trade either 1.25 or 1.55 on 12/31/2011

By the way... we haven't seen official POMO schedules but anyone here believe the monetization is not ongoing? The PDs are still being primed and the money still goes into equities. The game has no end it seems.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:51 | 1647943 buzzsaw99
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i can't wait for the potus speech tonight.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:00 | 1647988 cossack55
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Gee, will he be addressing the 2012 budget that kicks in on October 1st?  Oh, thats right.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:28 | 1648078 toady
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He is trying to spend more money, so I doubt he will mention that they hit the ceiling again...

Pay no attention to the figure behind the curtain!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:52 | 1647952 JW n FL
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Social Security is VERY Sustainable..

But we would have to collect Taxes from the Top 0.1%.. to be able to pay for Social Security..

and the AARP does not have a Lobby big enough to stop the elite rich of America, Sorry!




As the same issue applies.. the Top 0.1% will not be Taxed! EVER!! America Can Not Afford Anything!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:57 | 1647971 fishface
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The top 0,1% doesn't care about Social inSecurity

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:04 | 1647999 JW n FL
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My Rope doesnt care about stretching the Top 0.1%'s Neck!

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 21:24 | 1649082's picture

Of course you'd rather just steal the money but if you have to slink around dark alleys in the dead of night with a garrote I'm sure you're up for that as well.

By the way, that makes you a bad person.



Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:33 | 1648091 toady
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They don't want to pay for it, but that's how they feel about everything.

All the money coming in, nothing going out.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:03 | 1647994 JW n FL
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This week Max Keiser and co-host, Stacy Herbert, discuss the threatening downward spiral of all out war of bankers versus everyone else. In the second half of the show Max talks to Israeli economist, Shir Hever, about protests, apartheid and the warfare state.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 21:26 | 1649091's picture

No, it's the war of the looters and moochers against those who work and save. It's clear what side you're on.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:44 | 1648132 RichyRoo
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talking about taxing the top 0.1% is neosocialist nonsense for two reasons.

First, it ignores the fact that the reason these people have so much money is because they have bought and paid for the political system which gives it to them, there is no way that same system will take anything away from them.

Second, it doesnt address the root causes of the wealth imbalance which is exessive financialisation of the economy at the expense of the real economy. This is again a systemic issue, and has its root causes in the fiat/fractional system.

If you dont end the fed and let the markets set interest rates, and require extensive transparency for OTC derivatives (along with some kind of Tobin tax), the financeers will just create enough money to buy the world back for themseleves no matter how much you tax them.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:54 | 1648162 twinsdad
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Remember, the Social Security payroll tax applies only to earnings up to a certain ceiling. (That ceiling is now $106,800.) 

Today, though, the Social Security payroll tax hits only about 84 percent of total income.

It went from 90 percent to 84 percent because a larger and larger portion of total income has gone to the top. In 1983, the richest 1 percent of Americans got 11.6 percent of total income. Today the top 1 percent takes in more than 20 percent

If we want to go back to 90 percent, the ceiling on income subject to the Social Security tax would need to be raised to $180,000.

Presto. Social Security’s long-term (beyond 26 years from now) problem would be solved.


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 19:11 | 1648239 Moe Howard
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NPR said don't worry, all good [today! On all bullshit considered] They said even if you are 20 you will get 75 per cent of benefits if they don't change anything at all.

They are really smoking the hopium there, I must say.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 21:33 | 1649105's picture

Yeah, Robert Reich. He's the same White House adviser who told congress that they didn't want to hire white people with the Obama stimulus money. Keep on rootin' for that guy.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:55 | 1647958 william shatner
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Does this means another US downgrade when the ceiling is raised........again?

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:58 | 1647975 centerline
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Next time will be an upgrade if they dont argue about it. Political unity will save us. Debts don't matter anyhow.


Thu, 09/08/2011 - 17:58 | 1647976 Jumbotron
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Nope...they got rid of the guy who made that downgrade.

Thu, 09/08/2011 - 18:37 | 1648106 Rainman
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No such thing as a debt ceiling anyway. All spending is on autopilot. A debt ceiling is just another prop on the crisis governance stage.

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