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Highest Radiation Ever Detected At Fukushima: 10+ Sieverts An Hour

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Remember all those idiots who claimed that Fukushima is contained, or better yet, the drama is exaggerated? Perhaps it is time to exile them all, starting with that moron from MIT, to Fukushima where the radiation measured at the base of the main ventilation stack just hit an all time high 10 sieverts/hour. The truth likely is much uglier: this is simply the highest reading the devices are able to record. In other words, there does not exist a device that can capture the true extent of the catastrophe at Fukushima!

From Bloomberg:

“I suspect the high radiation quantity was an aftermath of venting done,” Matsumoto told reporters in Tokyo. “The plant is not running. I don’t think any gas with high radiation level is flowing in the stack.”

Tepco sent three workers around the ventilation stack today after a gamma camera detected high radioactivity levels in the area yesterday, Matsumoto said. The workers were exposed to as much as 4 millisieverts during the work, he said.

The utility will create a no-go zone around the stack and cover the area with protective material, he said.

At least with Chernobyl, 5 months after the explosion it was pretty much well-known what the damage really is. In Japan, however, the ongoing attempt to hide everything from the general population, many of whom will pay for their government's lies with their lives, means that reality will only gradually be comprehended. By the time all is said and done, Japan's demographics will be far, far worse than even today. But who cares: that will be some other administration's (and unborn generation's) problem.


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Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:37 | 1512782 Cassandra Syndrome
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This is Bullish?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:47 | 1512841 BaBaBouy
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Fucking Nightmare ...


Shut them ALL Down!


NG replace all!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:49 | 1512865 gmrpeabody
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By NG..., you are referring to Nova Gold?     ;- )

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:54 | 1512903 GeneMarchbanks
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I gave u some green. an exceptional post.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:16 | 1513025 Fukushima Sam
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I getting really tired of all this Fukushima shit.  Perhaps if we ignore it better it will go away.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:22 | 1513071 narapoiddyslexia
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The head-in-the-sand complex started right after the earthquake, particularly amongst the "nucular" industry whores like Jay Lehr of that industry bordello otherwise known as the Heartland Institute.

He said as follows, - [from

While some analysts said Japanese officials had not informed the public quickly enough about the evolving crisis, Jay Lehr, science director at the Heartland Institute in Chicago, said he was "100% confident" that Japan would be able to solve the problems at its nuclear plants.

"Nobody builds better power plants than Japan, because they are the most seismically active country on earth. They are built to withstand this very earthquake," he said.

"I am absolutely, 100% confident that they will be able to solve the existing problem of a meltdown, if it is occurring, that they will be able to totally eliminate the escape of any radiation," he said.

Whores like these have totally fuk ed the country. But, I suppose in the final analysis, they drive up the prices of pms. Its my only solace at this point.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:33 | 1513117 Turd Ferguson
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Fuck me. This is horrifically bad and NO ONE is talking about it!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:12 | 1513326 Fish Gone Bad
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Fuck me is right.  This is not horrifically bad, it has BEEN horrifically bad for a long long time now.  It is apparently not even news to NPR. 

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:16 | 1513348 narapoiddyslexia
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Bloomberg seems to be the only news org following it. They had this last week, on the head-in-sand, [from]

"“It’s all invisible. The trees are still trees, people are shopping, the birds are singing and dogs are walking in the street,” said Chris Busby, a visiting professor at the University of Ulster’s school of biomedical sciences, who visited Fukushima prefecture last week to provide information on health risks. “When you bring out the (Geiger) machines, you can see everything is sparkling and everyone is being bitten by invisible snakes that will eventually kill them.” 

Its a downer for the nuke boys, so we all better just shut up about it.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:20 | 1516777 dizzyfingers
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NPR's thing is emotion. Science is proven facts.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 18:00 | 1514558 Chappaquiddick
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Turd - I read reports that on the West Coast of the US people exposed to the gas cloud from Fukashima were breathing in between 5 and 10 hot particles per day.  The plant is still leaking and these particles are still being emitted.  Radioactive material tends to concentrate in the environment but lets just assume for simplicity that in the atmosphere it merely dilutes.  So by now these hot particles have spread probably fairly uniformerly in the atmosphere. In the Northern hemisphere we're all breathing in this shit.  We're getting maybe 1 hot particle evey 10 days - fuck it lets say every 100days.  That means everyone is getting 3-30 of these a year. These particles are persistent carcinagens.  The conclusion is rather obvious and very very grim - WE ARE ALL GOING TO FUCKING DIE OF CANCER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  If you want to reduce the population this is a sure fire way of doing it.  Sushi anyone!  

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 21:24 | 1522583 IH10
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I read that report too but I think they were speculating on the 5 hot particles inhaled during April in the Seattle area.  That was just for April when we got the brunt of this because the jetstream was bringing it right to their door step.  Also, the Pacific Northwest will continue to get the lion's share of these in the US as most of this shit comes down with the rain and the coast has no mountains to purge the clouds.  They are the first dumping ground.  There are plenty of things we can do to boost immune system and becoming vegetarian is a good idea at this point.  Washing vegtables in baking soda and vinegar will help, and peeling the ones that can be.  This will be necessary to prolong life for all of us.  What a fucking nightmare but it's not hopeless.    

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:41 | 1513160 Sudden Debt
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I SAY: Le'ts all donate 50 cents with out next Ebay purchases to Fukiwhatever to flush out all our guilt!



Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:55 | 1512908 Ergo
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I was just wondering today when something on Fukushima would slip through the news blackout.  A google search this a.m. showed all of nothing. 

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:11 | 1513599 mirac
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I don't think it is a great idea to use Google search anymore.  They seem to be filtering their information.  I had much better results using other search engines on certain'sensitive' topics.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:26 | 1513671 Stares straight...
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What engines do you recommend?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 18:44 | 1514689 takinthehighway
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They do not record your IP address.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:26 | 1517898 Stares straight...
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Kick-Ass! Thanx

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:59 | 1513858 konputa
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You might also consider signing out of Google when you're doing said searches.

See Private Browsing in Firefox.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 11:23 | 1516787 dizzyfingers
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please list those search engines

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:54 | 1512902 trav7777
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don't ever look at the NG productive curve...your head will blow up

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:02 | 1512960 Mad Max
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I like to think of a fracked gas well production curve as being just like the curve of population decline after the global oil trade stops.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:17 | 1513036 CrazyCooter
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I like to think of it as pulling demand forwar, er, I mean pulling production forward. All for the low low price of capital!

That said, tight NG plays (shale, etc) make dollar sense but only at higher prices than most are used to today.



Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:21 | 1513063 fuu
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Do we have your permission to panic yet or do we need to wait for more facts to come out?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 16:42 | 1514328 a female faust
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(cool word art at link)

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:56 | 1512913 Slash
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Green shoots? As in green radioactive mutated limbs offshooting from people?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:06 | 1512968 NuYawkFrankie
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Yes - shut them all down....  and maybe, for good measure, close the barn door after the horse has bolted.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:19 | 1513050 CrazyCooter
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Not attacking your assertion, but I only see half a solution in the statement ... care to opine on the other half, which is "what you replace them with".



Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:42 | 1513166 Cognitive Dissonance
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Convert all our hamster wheels to local power generators. Problem solved......and at least we're doing something useful for a change. :)

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:20 | 1513641 g
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Hamster wheels could employ millions of people, produce electricity, and slim down quite a few of those who are overweight in the population.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:02 | 1513270 NuYawkFrankie
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Re what you replace them with?"

The nuke plants or the horses?


Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:26 | 1513403 snowball777
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Two problems, one answer: 1 billion Chinese (with rickshaws and/or bicycle generators).

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:15 | 1513346 mick_richfield
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What do you replace them with?  I would think that would be obvious. 

Total world generating capacity from nuclear power plants is about 360 gigawatts.  At the price I pay, a gigawatt-hour costs about $100,000.   So the value of world nuclear generating capaciy is about $36 million per hour.  Which is about $315 billion per year.

So just print an extra half-trillion bucks a year (rounding up), and shut them all down!  Easy!  In fact, I expect there's that much in the Federal Reverse's petty cash and office supplies fund!


No, actually, replace them with Thorium.  Thorium, thorium, thorium, thorium.  LFTR plants.  Uranium power generation is an abomination.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:28 | 1513416 snowball777
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Sure, more actinides is the answer. If you're gonna blow $315B a year, why not just pay people to conserve?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 15:10 | 1513914 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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LFTR replace all.

Including coal, NG, and oil!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 16:06 | 1514204 HungrySeagull
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Lob two penetrators under the complex and detonate the nuclear warheads so that the cavern carved out by the fireball will be big enough to collapse the entire Fukushima complex.

Wait a time for the ocean or cloud to settle and then throw down a third nuke designed to burn out everything down there and entomb it forever.

Some of you have laughed and jeeered at me ever since day one for this idea.

Well it's at the point at which Radiation can no longer be measured in greater and greater quanity.

I still advocate a day of fire, fallout and sharp radiation versus a Decade of a dying world.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:09 | 1513310 Fox Moulder
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Buy the Sievert Dip.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:37 | 1512784 RacerX
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Radiation is transitory, no?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:42 | 1512808 Silver Dreamer
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It's both transitory and good for you!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:57 | 1512918 seek
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It is, on a long enough time line.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:06 | 1512973 Zero Debt
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Don't worry, core radiation expectations remain contained

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 16:44 | 1514339 a female faust
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by this you mean what?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:20 | 1513059 CrazyCooter
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Becquerel is French for transitory, just saying ...



Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:40 | 1513152 Pay Day Today
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The radiation is transitory. But the radioactivity will be around for a long time. And as long as there is radioactivity, there will be radiation.

I once heard it put this way: the radiation is the stink. The radioactivity is the shit. And there are huge piles of shit at Fukushima.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:21 | 1513644 tricycle
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life in japan is transitory

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 08:52 | 1516266 Sweet Chicken
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+1 simply for your avatar. I wish it were bigger.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:38 | 1512788 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Madness has crept upon the sleeping and turned the tables severely.  We are all mad, shown creatively or not.  People have shunned this.  Now they will learn how to accept it.

Japan will soon be deserted.  One of the world's busiest and most important hubs is only just downwind from one of the worst nuclear disasters ever.  It will be a ghost town.  Massive deflation will hit the Japanese industry.  The trickle of people moving now will turn into a rush of tens of millions.  Many will never visit their homeland of Japan again.

Article continued below...


Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:22 | 1513067 pain_and_soros
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All those tens of millions of Japanese will need someplace to move to ... & the US has houses coming out of their ying yang...not to mention we could use some thrifty, harding working types over here to rebuild the manufacturing base...

Housing crisis solved (Japanese immigration will go wild with all the cheap land & housing available in the US) - check

Unemployment crisis solved - (via jobs created by restart in housing bubble and building new manufacturing plants for Japanese firms & teaching jobs for english & japanese as second languages) - check

Savings rate goes up (thanks to thrifty Japanese, sparking new demand for US Treasuries paying .0001% interest) - check

Nuclear fallout - no problem - its all good man!!!

Yea baby

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:38 | 1512790 doomandbloom
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Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:44 | 1512821 Josh Randall
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For people in Japan hopefully - they need to get transitory and move the hell out of the area. TEPCO is like the bad jelly of the month club that keeps on giving

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:38 | 1512791 Dr. Engali
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I thought they fixed that and everything was all better.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:42 | 1512812 Cdad
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According to Doug Cass...Japan, as a result of the disaster,  "is the buying opportunity of a generation."   At the time he made the call, he vaguely suggested, as all have, that Fukushima was under control.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:48 | 1512852 Dr. Engali
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Cass is a complete moron. Make's me cringe to even type his worthless name.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:50 | 1512868 Cognitive Dissonance
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Do NOT question your masters.

Just hitch up to the Ponzi plow and pull you jackass, pull.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:55 | 1512895 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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[whip cracks]

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:51 | 1512881 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Fabor is hard on Japan too.  I don't get it.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:40 | 1512795 Tense INDIAN
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i was thinking aout sending some extra cash to my dad....hes building a new house ...we could do with a bunker tooi guess...

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:52 | 1512889 Harlequin001
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you can tell him he won't need to bother with the lighting, all will become clear as day at night from now on...

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:40 | 1512797 Cdad
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Ah, Fukushima.  Remember Fukushima?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:43 | 1512815 Silver Dreamer
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Based on MSM coverage, we're not supposed to remember it of course.  Nuclear disaster?  What?!  Nah, that's OLD news...  The masses moved on to a new circus long ago.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:56 | 1512901 hedgeless_horseman
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NPR rolled out a "special" this morning on the killing of Osama.

Look!  A distraction!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:57 | 1512925 GeneMarchbanks
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You had to do didn't you?! I was hoping to never come across an NPR reference on these boards and ... then ... YOU happened. I'm not mad just disappointed is all...

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:09 | 1512956 hedgeless_horseman
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Listening to Steve Inskeep and Cokie Roberts facilitates my Two Minute Hate.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:03 | 1512961 Buckaroo Banzai
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You put "special" in quotation marks, but you forgot to put "Osama" in quotation marks.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:46 | 1512834 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Remember Godzilla?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:40 | 1512798 redpill
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This is because the corium is melted into the concrete.  If they get near any vent that comes close to that, it's going to be insane radiation, although it may be decreased in other areas since the corium is partially encased in Concrete now by virtue of it melting through to it.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:11 | 1512995 malikai
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By now, radiosilver production is picking up inside the corium. In a few years they could put a mine in and start producing bars like the eastern Europeans were doing. The remains of the fallout also has traces of radiosilver, as found by Korea back in April. People just aren't looking at the bright side of all this.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:21 | 1513368 mick_richfield
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You know that you are seriously SOL when even the silver lining of this disaster is dangerously radioactive.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:41 | 1512802 Iriestx
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I thought raising the debt limit fixed this.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:01 | 1512941 GeneMarchbanks
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It does, you can soon entomb the whole of Daiichi with the paper coming off of Bens printer. I mean paper covers rock, right? and... radioactive particles as well, no?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:42 | 1512803 Forgiven
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<------ Screwed

<------ Meh!  Transitory.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:10 | 1512996 gmrpeabody
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+++   Clever!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:41 | 1512804 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Swan Lake- Japan

The Whiteness descended onto Japan in true Black Swan fashion.  Only nature knew what lay in waiting for the poor island of Nippon.  An island steeped in ritual and history, it was to be utterly destroyed in a few blinks of an eye.  Now, it lays in ruins.

Unfortunately because of society the loss has only begun....

Article continued below....

Swan Lake- Japan:


Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:46 | 1513510 Reptil
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I heard this story in Fukushima the other day. Informed parents tell their children, "Don't eat shiitake mushroom or bamboo shoot in the school lunch." So, the children take them aside. But then the teacher comes and orders them, "Eat!"

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:41 | 1512805 Dreadker
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The advantage the unborn generation will have needs to be taken into account... I mean its easier to fix stuff with 5 arms and 3 legs right? ;-)

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:54 | 1512896 DCFusor
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The current rad levels we receive in the USA right now are about half what most of us grew up with due to atmospheric nuclear testing in the 40's and 50's, which has decayed since (mostly).  We're down to radon from the uranium in the ground, and cosmic rays, which no one can avoid unless they live in a mine.  Japan near the reactor, now that's a bad place to be right now.  On the scale of the earth, not so bad anyplace else, and not likely to get worse anytime soon.  Now, if someone planted a large bomb there and blew all that crap up into the air, that'd be slightly more scary, but I kinda doubt that.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:06 | 1513582 Reptil
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Please inform yourself before spouting this bare nonsense?

The amount of radiation from Fukushima is estimated to be 20 times that of Hiroshima according to Professor Tatsuhiko Kodama of Tokyo University.

Also, it is cumulative, and this does not include the very difficult measurement of hot particles (alpha radiation). Please see the video in my post below?

Yes, the radiation of Fukushima hit the jetstream, and was (and still is) deposited on the western US and Canadian coast. Also, the northern Pacific Ocean is fucked. Slowly these hot particles will spread throughout the Northern Hemisphere, and then all over the planet. Just like they've already permeated most of Japan and it's surroundings.

Extend and pretend doesn't really work if your offspring doesn't have healthy genes. You can agree or disagree with that, it's all the same to me. What matters is that it's time, finally to regard the true impact of fission nuclear in the hands of madmen and stop it, before another plant (in the US) blows up. The risk is not imagnary: you don't need a terrorist with a bomb, you got your government and the NRC who are setting you up right now.

More on radiation effects:

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:16 | 1513624 malikai
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Did you read anything the guy wrote? Care to look at the bigger picture?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 16:41 | 1514325 Reptil
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Of course I did. I am looking at the bigger picture: It says fission nuclear is creating more problems than we can solve. It also says that commercial nuclear fission plants can NEVER be safe. There has to be cost savings for them to be profitable. Costs are saved in safety measures, protocols and all that.

Look, in the US of A, there's a number of fission plants of the BWR type that are about to do a tripple Fukushima. A few hours of non working Diesel generators (without backup) or non-insulated cables that haven't been checked in 40 years are all it takes. WHY IS THIS NOT ADRESSED?
THe answer to that question leads you straight to the bigger picture...

It's very dark Malikai, it's against human beings as a species. Do you have children? I still want some. We can't really handle radiation well. Especially children, that grow, and have many cell divisions. We'll simply die out. Disappear. Genocide. The elite, the bankers, the billionaires too. EXTINCTION EVENT. Some find my conclusion slight out of hand, but really, if you know that "genetic passports" are about to be issued in Kazachstan, that say who can procreate and who can't, because their gene pool is so messed up, they have to take that action, and that roughly 250K chlidren in the Fukushima Province get little cute toys that are used to measure the radiation they catch (invisible snake) as part of a long term experiment, instead of that the government gives them DOSIMETERS (which cost the same) to give them the means to stay out of hot spots, then I'm not guessing, but I know it's fucked up. Really I can't come to any other outcome, believe me I want to!

(please check the other links I posted in this thread as well)

tick tock... o__0

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:55 | 1512910 Harlequin001
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just think of the increase in productivity...

GDP will fly, trust me...

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:04 | 1512970 Dreadker
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Thats what they meant by a V shaped recovery.... every quad limbed future child of fukushima will increase GDP!!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:30 | 1513109 Abitdodgie
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Buy big Phama fucked up kids have got to be bullish, right 

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:43 | 1512810 vast-dom
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it is much worse than bad. 

just wait until the cancer numbers come in. and then get revised. and re-revised to the Nth. 

and that's only in Japan. 

then we will review Pacific NW data.

and then we will all have much regret that we did not focus on FuckYouShima when we had a chance and instead bickered over Monopoly-like deluded monies and imaginary meaningless debt-ceilings. 

cancer and mutation are real. fake monies are just that.


Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:48 | 1512851 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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There are prevailing trade winds that go straight into L.A., too.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:50 | 1512870 KrugmansChauffeur
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Bug or feature?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:53 | 1512892 Silver Dreamer
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As with software, it depends on your perspective.  Are you a nuclear plant engineer, or are you a down wind end user?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:01 | 1512945 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Shit, all I know is I saw a map of the radiation blowing over L.A. into AZ and NM and since the Rockies are not too big there I assume it goes all the way to FL.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:29 | 1513106 Cognitive Dissonance
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I consider this crazy Karma. Since the East Coast Tribe has to deal with most of the nuclear reactors in the USA, it's only fitting that the West Coast Tribe gets to share Japan's.


Mon, 08/01/2011 - 16:13 | 1514242 Amish Hacker
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The West Coast Tribe? I think it's time to change our name to "The Front Row."

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:33 | 1513120 krispkritter
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Nah, it couldn't possibly make it all the way to...wait a minute, what?  And here I sit in the shadow of Crystal River hoping they didn't hire the same crew of illegals to redo that fine job of stuccoing over the cracks in the containment there...oh, happy day!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:43 | 1512816 sabra1
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there was another 5.5 today south of honshu!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:43 | 1512817 Rockfish
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Stand By we will be making a change to our CRISES GENERATOR.

Remove DEBT dead line - insert Fukushima for the lack anything else more interesting.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:12 | 1513602 Reptil
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It never went away Rockfish: that it wasn't on your or anyone's tv screen is not reason to believe it suddenly didn't exist or matter anymore.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 15:12 | 1513919 Terminus C
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Rockfish obviously has few remaining brain cells if he/she cannot compute that ignoring something does not make it go away, no matter how hard tptb msm try.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:43 | 1512818 firstdivision
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I'm long gamma

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:44 | 1512822 hedgeless_horseman
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The utility will create a no-go zone around the stack and cover the area with protective material, he said.

Bullish for cement.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:58 | 1512930 gmrpeabody
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Bullish for test equipment manufactures which will need to adjust to higher readings.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:53 | 1512823 carbonmutant
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Japanese rice being tested for radioactive cesium

Koshihikari is some of the most expensive rice in the world. And now even the Chinese markets won't stock it.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:45 | 1512826 miker
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Japanese leaders have succeeded in hiding the story to their public.  When the truth comes out, I wonder how compliant the population will be.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:45 | 1512829 trentusa
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What happened to the 'Forums?'

I'm trying to learn about currency trading today and I just noticed the 'Forums' tab disappeared.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:45 | 1512830 Conrad Murray
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TEPCO is up 5%. You all are crazy.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:47 | 1512835 Eireann go Brach
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Any chance of moving the Fukishima plant and sticking on the front lawn of the White House!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:27 | 1513411 mick_richfield
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So you're saying that, instead of cement, we should entomb it in bullshit?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:47 | 1512837 Cognitive Dissonance
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So how is there this level of radiation if no gases are flowing in the stacks?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:50 | 1512866 DCFusor
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All that water they pushed in there that leaked all over is probably the radiation source - it dissolved some of the fuel and byproducts almost certainly.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:50 | 1512877 Cdad
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Could be Godzilla's resting place....and he is getting restless.

As for gases, I think those are being vented through the Nikkei know, according to Doug Cass.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:27 | 1513088 Cognitive Dissonance
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The only thing Cass has to offer is natural gas (aka odorific emanations) and hot air.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:47 | 1512846 Silver Dreamer
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Are you in America and live directly down wind from a reactor?  It's something to consider.  What has happened in Japan can just as easily happen here.  But...  Nuclear power is safe, so there's nothing to worry about...

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:04 | 1513290 XenoFrog
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Nuclear power is the safest power.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:02 | 1513559 Silver Dreamer
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Sure, if you say it is, it must be true.  Like my comment above stated, it must be safe because we are told it is.  har har  I like radioactive material underground where it is far safer, but I guess I'm just old fashioned in that way.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 21:06 | 1515219 Hi Ho Silver
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That depends on where you live.

Interactive Map of Nuclear Risk

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:48 | 1512848 apberusdisvet
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Within a decade, 50% of Japan will be uninhabitable; millions in NW North America will have a cancer they shouldn't have gotten if the MSM, the politicians hadn't been paid off by the nuke industry and people could have taken precautions or moved.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:48 | 1512849 PY-129-20
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Arnie Gundersen - Fukushima Update: July 19th. That video gives you a good idea of how the situation is in Japan.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:48 | 1512850 DCFusor
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Radiation alone doesn't have much range.  Unless and until the radioactive stuff leaks out into the broader world, all you have to do is back off a little and you're fine.  It's the leaks from there to the rest of everywhere one worries about.  And BTW, 1 Sv is roughly a LD50 for a human, and I heard the worst actual dose anyone got there so far is .25 Sv -- not good, but....

I happen to do some nuclear stuff here in my lab.  We *were* able to measure some radioactive iodine 4 days after the event here, in rainwater we collected from a  weather system that had passed over the reactor, then dropped rain on us in Virginia.  Using a very good and sensitive gamma ray spectrometer, there it was, but the measurment had to be taken inside a giant lead "castle" as it was at a level of about 1/1000th of our normal lab background (which is very clean -- less in here than outdoors).  Any cesium was below our detection threshold.

In other words, from our POV, a null event.  Doesn't mean it couldn't get worse - it could, and might even be as bad as the half dozen Russian sub reactors on the sea floor already, still going at full crank in some cases and leaking like crazy down there.

Sorry to intrude with facts here, I realize that there's a brand of political correctness gioing on here I don't always find myself in sync with.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:57 | 1512920 Silver Dreamer
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Facts are welcome here, and so are smart asses.  Political correctness?  Apparently our definitions are far from similar.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:58 | 1512933 trav7777
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Why are you disturbing all the hysteria and panicking with all of these FACTS, dood?!?!?!

Just go along with the herd mythology

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:37 | 1513138 TSA Thug
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I breath back-scatter all day long (all night long if I'm working the night shift) and there's nothing wrong with me!

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:27 | 1513097 Tao 4 the Show
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There have been enough good posts by people like GW here that most people are aware that contamination is the problem. Deposition is inhomogeneous, so a sample in your area is just one data point. You might want to look up the guy who studied wild bird hatchings after Chernobyl. Results were remarkable. Some have followed up with west coast human birth rates following Fukushima, and found depressing results.

Wish the picture were as nice as you imply.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:35 | 1513130 Fukushima Sam
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.25 Sv gives you about a 12% chance of death from radiation poisoning, not to mention the other non-life-threatening effects.  "Not good" seems like an understatement.  Perhaps you play russian roulette for fun?

We are past the point of worrying about the airborne radiation problem.  Now you have to worry about how it gets into the food chain and the global supply chain.

You really want to eat Pacific seafood considering how little we know about the effects of this disaster on the ocean?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:58 | 1513246 DCFusor
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Yeah, .25 Sv is no joke whatever -- I do actually work with radiation, and I know that, and I get bent on temporary exposures in the micro-sieverts.  However, making such a big deal about the two guys who got that dose, and ignoring the 10k+ who are DEAD ALREADY from natural causes strikes me as someone using tragedy to push an agenda, and I think that's pretty frigging sick.  Nevet let a good crisis go to waste?  Why is that bad when someone in government does it, but not when anyone else does.  That's just hypocrisy.

Political correctness *here* is not the same as elsewhere -- however, I'm sick of it in all flavors.  ZH continually emphasizes all possible worst cases.  Sometimes that's great - I love it when misdeeds and lies are exposed, and some of the info posted here is valuable to my trading, or I'd not be here. 

As an engineer, of course I'm quite familiar with worst case analysis - and even in honest attempts we often get it wrong when we analyze our own work, it's better to have an outsider do that to confirm.  But worst case isn't the "operating bogie" either.

Nope, I don't want to eat anything radioactive.  Truth is, as pointed out above, other events have already dumped more crap into the ocean than Fukishima would were it to completely be washed in there - sad, but also true.  Since nuke sub accidents tend not to get covered (ever wonder how submariners die in "training accidents"?) but that doesn't mean they haven't happened.  And those reactors start right off with highly enriched U and are run "harder" than land stations.  You would think that ZH would go for that info - it's right along the lines of the other lies and omissions they like to expose.

If we fall into telling lies, and fall into the trap of believing them like our government does, what's the point, again?  I don't get it.  50's reactor tech turns out to not be as safe as predicted, and we've known it for a long time, but rarely approve design improvements that would be safer even though they are submitted all the time, and we're too damn cheap to replace what exists with the better stuff anyway.  In other words, I don't think this is as much the fault of science as it is government.  Real scientists have been pointing all this out for decades - while being ignored.  The "it worked when we did it this way last time" mentality is just too strong -- even when contradicted by new facts.



Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:44 | 1513508 malikai
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Ah, you've received "dissaproval" junks. You must be on to something here. Too bad the cult will not approve.

By the way, what do you think about LFRs? Do you think the Hyperion thing has a chance?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:53 | 1513535 AGuy
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1. The biggest threat I see in Japan and near by neighbors is food contaimination and ground water contamination. I would be extremely careful to avoid consumption of food from Japan. While it might not kill you immediately it will signicantly raise the changes of cancer and other related dieseases over a long time. Most People will not get immediately sick, but will become sick over the next two decades.

2. Oceans -- I think its silly to eat food from a toilet. For most of the past two centuries the Oceans have serverd as a huge sess pool. More significant that the radiation from Fukishima, lost Nuke Powers subs and ships, are the coal fired power plants (mostly in China) lacking fly ask scrubbers to remove heavy metals (including mercury and Uranium), Since the World is 2/3 oceans, 2/3 of fly ash land in the oceans. Mercury levels in seafood are soo high that the EPA recommends consumption of seafood only once a month. I stopped consuming seafood.

3. 10 SV radiation -- Just means its going to be a long, long time before Fukishima clean up is over and done. Its going to take decades and lots and lots of money. Money that would have been served spent elsewhere. The damage done already occured when the comtainment vessels blew up months ago.

4. Nuke Power -- The issue is that a lot of plants operating have serious flaws, and are very vulnerable to acts of mother nature. At the very least we should be retiring the cores of reactors with know designe flaws which could be replaced with new cores (in new containment vessals) on sight of existing plants. We also need to address the long term storage of spent fuel rods. They either need to be recycled or put into a long term storage solution. Even relocating in dry caskets stored above ground somewhere in the southwest desert would be better than storing them on site near large population areas.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:48 | 1513175 I_ate_the_crow
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Facts? Such as uncontrolled radiation spewing into the atmosphere and radioactive water being flushed into the Pacific Ocean for 6 MONTHS now. Was your testing done before or after the EPA changed the "safe" levels of exposure to radiation and then just stopped reporting it altogether? Before or after cesium was found in California milk? Before or after people in Seattle were breathing hot particles? But yeah, you're right, because your little lab on the east coast only picked up a little iodine 4 days after the tsunami, CRISIS AVERTED. I will sleep better at night knowing DCFusor and his band of fact checkers for human justice are on the case. Get real.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:01 | 1513265 trentusa
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This is my favorite website. I don't know about these things. I don't support many of the actions and policies of my gov't, but of course I love my country like you love your country.

I wish to not offend anyone here @ ZH, bc i've been reading here so long i think of you all as friends.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:04 | 1513291 DCFusor
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Gee, shame on me for telling some truth.  Yeah, I can't afford to do world traveling and measure everywhere - I don't care to anyway.  I'm sure governments tell lies about this and everything else.  I am still very sure I did measure what I did, and that this crap going down in the ocean is bad, but it's not reaching me either - I do measure often.

I bet it hasn't occured to you that there are other possible sources for anything measured in Ca -- remember we play with radiation a lot in the SW ourselves.  And probably true that they only started looking close after this, out of fear, instead of having a responsible long term monitoring system to track all along - so their info doesn't even tell you how long Cs has been around there!


Or if you're worried about amounts far less than natural background, such that you have to basically get inside a few tons of lead with a spectrometer (so you can tell what the source is even in a loud background) to even measure it, there's nothing I can do for you.  Find a mine to live in, make sure it's a salt mine or other one that isn't more radioactive inside than out.


I come here because there are some here that are smarter than me on some subjects.  Just returning the favor when the shoe is on the other foot.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 17:08 | 1513756 Reptil
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Do you measure "Hot Particles" (fuel flies) that emit alpha radiation?

Perhaps you do, but I bet you don't.

And that's the CRUX of the whole thing. It's not the high radiation, localised, gamma, that fucks up whole gene pools, causes cancer, but the wide spread contamination of hot particles, that cause that. There ARE a lot more victims of Chernobyl; roughly a million people. Instead of being "smart" and deny the whole thing, why don't you look at what happened in places where nuclear contamination took place. You don't have to actually go there, I don't. But there's scientists, reporters that cover this issue.

All of these reports have been ignored. "Disappeared", I presume because drawing conclusions would mean some would lose a LOT of money in investments, and then... everybody suffers. Too Big To Fail. But fail it will. One way or another. Stubborn individuals are now trying to resurface this. Because they (I) are very concerned.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:31 | 1513434 calltoaccount
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Do you consider radioactive rain in Alberta a "null event" ?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:49 | 1512863 fonestar
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Jesus, this just keeps getting worse and worse in every possible way imaginable.  I feel like I'm being forced to become a 2012 "end timer" whether I want to or not.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:52 | 1512883 Sunshine n Lollipops
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Can a swan be black and glow at the same time?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 14:51 | 1513801 vicorjh
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Interestingly enough, yes. It's called blackbody radiation.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:53 | 1512890 goldfish1
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Ask not for whom the bell tolls...

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:57 | 1512921 Mugatu
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The Japanese are Hans-Stupid for for allowing their government to continue whitewashing them.  Their entire food system will be compromised by Fall.  They allowed rice hay from areas around Fukushima to be fed to feeder cattle.  Now meat is starting to show elevated levels of radiation.  

Just another example showing that all governments will lie.  Never trust the man! 

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:03 | 1512927 Cast Iron Skillet
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deleted stupid post, sorry.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 11:59 | 1512937 NervousRex
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Maybe this can be explained with Multiverses.

Or an entire Musical made from Multiverses.

Naptime. Fricky budget.


Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:09 | 1512989 RafterManFMJ
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Who would go anywhere near this thing?

 "Here's a thousand bucks, go measure radiation"...yeah right. 

They should take TEPCO executives and Jap politicos, especially those who ignored warnings about problems with reactor design, construction and safety systems, strap remote detonated white phosphorus grenades to their necks, and force them to go do 'measuring' and cleanup work.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:16 | 1513031 margaris
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Any good news today? lol

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:17 | 1513033 nah
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well at least nuclear catastrophe wont ever happen in the good ol' USA

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:18 | 1513049 krispkritter
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And it's still typhoon season!  At least this one doesn't appear to be headed that way although some friends in Oki are gonna get soaked. Wonder what happens to all the 'protective covering' in high winds and all that wonderful radioactive material scattered over the landscape in a big rain event? Big collected piles of radioactive runoff? Or does it just cover it up and leave it partially buried so the 'all clear!' can be given at an earlier date? 

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:28 | 1513100 BandGap
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This is a good thing and will benefit the Japanese fishing industry.  Glowing fish are easier to spot and net, and the fish will come pre-cooked!  Win-win-win.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:37 | 1513139 krispkritter
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Yeah, but the sushi industry is gonna take a hit. Of course the goldfish in the radioactive sewers and home fish tanks willl probably grow to 1000lbs now so that may help a bit...

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:47 | 1513203 BandGap
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Godzilla Goldfish on the next Maury show.

Hey, at least this disaster has been good for the US auto industry........right?

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:13 | 1513337 DCFusor
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Ha, ha.  Fukishima was one of the main fishing villages, and they're all dead of natural causes.  But don't bother feeling for those guys, it's the people who might be hurt someday that matter, if they're stupid enough to get hurt.  The reactor was there because they have just as bad a case of NIMBY as we do -- they put them by the poor folk.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:31 | 1513115 reader2010
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The whole fucking world is one giant faith-based system now. If you pray hard enough, and you maintain positive mantra that everthing in Fuck-shi-me is under control,  the world is in much better illusion. If someone brings up the facts, he will be attacked and destroyed by MSM, aka mind control device.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:46 | 1513191 BandGap
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Not understanding an illusion for what it is is denial. It's a very common coping method. And please, no jokes about Kool-Aid.

Haven't watched network or cable news in over a year.  Just walk away and it will never bother you.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 12:48 | 1513202 THE DORK OF CORK
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The biggest casualties of the Fukushima disaster will be the poor Irish freezing to death as the Germans shut down their Nuclear plants driving up the price of Gas.

Peat Bitches.

Mon, 08/01/2011 - 13:10 | 1513320 Reptil
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Short term effect, completely irrelevant, compared to the longer lasting effects of pollution (hot particles).


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