Hong Kong Private Sector Health In Worst Shape Since May 2009

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Wed, 10/05/2011 - 23:57 | 1744167 chump666
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HK is the bellweather of China.

Markets will begin to adjust to the China meltdown now.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:35 | 1744271 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, I would think so, but the futures, last I saw, were not showing it.  All this bad news, but nobody cares.

Maybe I'll change my mind.  Bullish!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:51 | 1744312 flacon
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It's nothing. It's just a flesh wound. 

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:25 | 1744431 sitenine
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You're kidding of course, but check this shit out. Fucking banks are abandoning rumors altogether and are now just straight up calling us stupid.


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Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:52 | 1744315 chump666
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I am bullish on buying minis (shorts) on topped out indexes.  We will NOT make new highs.   A major doomsday trade is looming nothing to do with Europe (which is doomed anyway).

Meltdown into the new year.  Gonna be brutal.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 06:26 | 1744587 Bobbyrib
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I wouldn't even get involved in shorting, you never know what the people who manipulate our markets will do next.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 06:23 | 1744582 BandGap
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People care, they always do.  Look beyond the simple explanation.  China is much better able to manipulate situations than anything we have going over here.  Hell, the rural population sees nothing beyond food inflation.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 10:13 | 1745334 covert
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china will keep going.



Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:03 | 1744180 slewie the pi-rat
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hong kong phooey, BiCheZ!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:15 | 1744212 reader2010
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The smart money has been out of HK before last summer. Let's see what's happening now. 

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:21 | 1744227 paul_Liu
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Actually smart money are shorting HK shares since they can not diretly short China shares.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:34 | 1744259 chump666
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thats right and o/s investors have been dumping Taiwan and Korean/Japan stocks.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:27 | 1744243 jonjon831983
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dumb money popping Hang Seng up +700, +4%ish.  I'm dizzy.  When it gonna head back to 5,000's? a la 1997 :P

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:45 | 1744299 slewie the pi-rat
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the pilot bailed out @ 20,000 feet!

strong updraft, tho! 

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 01:12 | 1744347 TGR
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The HK SAR government is currently in the midst of handing out HKD6,000 to every single HK identity-card holder. Not sure why it hasn't been reported on here, but this latest stimulus is akin to the stimulus packages of US, Australia and other countries back in '08 and '09.

Too early to say where the approximate HKD40,000,000,000 being dished out is going exactly, but stocks wouldn't surprise me as being one benefactor.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:07 | 1744412 champan250
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The HKD$6k is not giving out as "stimulus", but rather because the pathetic hk gov't had a recorded surplus last year (USD$14B) and had zero clues on how to utilize that

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:18 | 1744424 TGR
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They wanted to inject into retirement accounts initially, in other words a stimulus to prop up MPF aka stocks. Anyway it's just semantics, I think the figure may be closer to HKD25 billion, but whichever way you look at it something is going to be stimulated from free cash.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 04:38 | 1744509 Quentin Daniels
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So they took too much tax and then decided to GIVE IT BACK?

How in gods name did the cleptocrats allow that to happen?

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 05:23 | 1744538 savagegoose
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ehhj the right aussie gov has pulled that little trick for years. to much good effect, with cashback to desperate voters every election.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 05:49 | 1744556 Quentin Daniels
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But that is just a straight purchase of votes by handing out taxpayer dollars to vocal interest groups in marginal seats to ensure that whomever TPTB deem to be the correct party is duely inserted into the orifice of power.  Nothing unusual there.

This, on the face of it, look more like "Whoops, we took too much, here's your money back".  The cash is being spread too thin to be an effective electoral bribe.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:34 | 1744263 dr.charlemagne
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maybe germany will bail out Hong Kong with our freshly printed dollars. just the rumor is worth a 1,000pt rally

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 07:50 | 1744723 Schmuck Raker
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I thought Germany was bailing out Singapore?

I need a faster news service, dammit!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:44 | 1744298 CvlDobd
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I'm with everyone else above. This is bullish fo sho!

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 00:57 | 1744323 GtownSLV
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Must be, Hang Seng is up 4.5%.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 01:03 | 1744337 walcott
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war is just around the corner.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 01:45 | 1744381 chump666
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HK property market will be like a A-bomb going off...then China.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 01:53 | 1744384 Yen Cross
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I think " Jim Rogers" should stick to "real estate", and leave the currency trading to the professionals!

  The ecb will run a qu-e ( under-valued light), and BoE will re-iterate their dovish stance. it will be like the dead cat bounce in the Aud numbers yesterday. There will be a sell off into Friday. Via the short covering mantra! very orderly...

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:03 | 1744410 chump666
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I hear ya Yen. 

ECB won't cut 'offical rates'  EUR is under pressure now...it is a dead cat bounce (stocks)

 i am outta here...see you all in 10hrs or so

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:09 | 1744413 champan250
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Hong Kong is a financial and service sector city, and this PMI is not a service sector PMI.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:14 | 1744420 Yen Cross
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I understand what you are saying. The news has nothing to do with PMI. It's soverign debt policy, via the BoE and the ECB over the short term. Thanks for your input though.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 02:12 | 1744414 Coldfire
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A crash in Hong Kong? Yes, please. I'm getting sick of being accosted by real estate agents (scum of the earth) here when I step out to take a latte. And that latte (and every other non-core essential) is getting damn pricey because of said rentiers, whom I know are only cogs transmitting the printing press machinations of China aping the fraudulations of Ben Bermonkey, who is channeling Keynes (hopefully in the 10th (new and improved) circle of Hell). So hurry up Hong Kong and crash already, my lease is coming up.

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 03:03 | 1744450 lewy14
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^HSI up 5% as I write this. 

Thu, 10/06/2011 - 06:19 | 1744578 achmachat
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Breaking News from Luxembourg:

The Luxembourg "branch" of the Dexia group (Dexia-BIL) just decided to split off from Dexia with the help of a secret international investor AND the state.


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 06:22 | 1744580 wombats
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Thu, 10/06/2011 - 07:16 | 1744649 GMS guy
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this is how we feel in the UK

We are all gingers now!!!!!


Thu, 10/06/2011 - 12:35 | 1746214 SoNH80
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Hey hey!  I went to Hong Kong, bought shiny green suit!

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