Horrible News For Goldbugs - Paulson Is Bullish On Gold Again; Next - Roubini?

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We wish we had good news, but we are not going to lie: This is the worst possible news for any gold bull out there.

From Bloomberg:

Gold traders are getting more bullish after billionaire hedge-fund manager John Paulson told investors it’s time to buy the metal as protection against inflation caused by government spending.

 

“By the time inflation becomes evident, gold will probably have moved, which implies that now is the time to build a position in gold,” New-York based Paulson said in a letter to investors obtained by Bloomberg. Armel Leslie, a spokesman for Paulson, declined to comment.

 

The 56-year-old manager’s SPDR Gold Trust holdings fell 15 percent in the fourth quarter as his $23 billion hedge fund company had its worst-ever year. His Advantage Plus Fund lost 51 percent in 2011, and the firm said in a third-quarter letter that financial services companies were the “primary drag.” Paulson became a billionaire in 2007 by betting against the U.S. subprime mortgage market. Gold rose 10 percent last year in New York trading, an 11th consecutive annual gain.

And so the Paulson overhang is back. Couldn't Paulson just go ahead and buy Bank of America or some other worthless biohazard again?All that remains is for Roubini to say he prefers gold over spam (and always has, he was merely "misunderstood") and the crash will be imminent.

Or perhaps we will learn following the next $1000 up move in gold that Gartman will have been long gold in Vietnamese Dong.

Well, at least cheap entry points will be available.

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Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:54 | 2171270 mayhem_korner
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Well, at least he's "transparent."

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:57 | 2171294 Roger O. Thornhill
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This is troubling. But, luckily I bought the bulk of mine a long time ago.

There is always the 'broken clock' theory with him. Best I can hope for.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:02 | 2171318 Tucson Tom
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Roger that,Roger!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:09 | 2171362 ihedgemyhedges
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"What's your vector Victor?"

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:18 | 2171392 francis_sawyer
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"Give me a clearance, Clarence..."

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:52 | 2171967 Pladizow
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Better chance of Gartman having a Long Gold Vietnamese Dong some where else!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:07 | 2172214 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It just dawned on me how this will play out and, as weird as the world has been getting, it makes perfect sense. Paulson, now bullish on gold, will be simultaneously proven correct and have his biggest loss yet.

How will this happen? While his call on gold will be correct, his investment will be in GLD. He's not buying metal, he's buying promises. His assumption that the system will continue to function normally has blinded him to the actual underlying reason that gold is a good investment: it is real.

The value of GLD depends upon the integrity of a chain of promises, and the breaking of any of these promises puts the value of GLD at risk. Gold, on the other hand, doesn't depend upon the promises of anyone, nor does it depend upon the integrity of anyone other than an assayer. In fact, being long physical gold is like shorting the honesty and integrity of Wall Street, the Federal Reserve, the City of London, and Vichy DC.

Paulson will lose his ass when the prices of gold and GLD decouple. Gold will skyrocket, and Paulson will be stuck holding unredeemable paper promises backed by vaporized gold.

 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:44 | 2172286 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1  

Very good!

FOFOA-like even...

fofoa.blogspot.com

Sat, 03/24/2012 - 17:57 | 2287180 MeelionDollerBogus
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Well, for now GLD vs spot gold shows:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD&p=W&yr=2&mn=11&dy=0&id=p99096604499

a pretty accurate overlay. Ratio shows:

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$GOLD:gld&p=W&yr=2&mn=11&dy=0&id=p99096604499

steady 10.28 to 10.3x GLD = gold spot

so while I fully expect GLD one day to fail while gold spot (real physical) goes up...

http://comparegoldprices.com/

for the time being I expect that if gold makes big swings up or down then options on GLD will still return big. IN particular I'd say a GLD call more than 100 days out or a GLD strangle 60 to 90 days out ought to do OK. What harm can it do to put in 1 to 3 contracts each in that position... just to see how it turns out.

http://flic.kr/p/bpJpXX future projection model for gold spot

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 22:40 | 2172173 A Nanny Moose
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Ever seen a grown man nekkid?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:19 | 2171401 goldfreak
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shirley you can't be serious?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:20 | 2171410 Turd Ferguson
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I'll be more nervous when Robot Trader finally goes long.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:24 | 2171424 tmosley
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He never "goes" anything, he'll just claim he was long all along.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:43 | 2171508 zerotohero
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Long Dong.....Vietnamese of course.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 19:39 | 2171827 Don Birnam
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"Dong ? No dong. We trade in ROK won, exclusively."

Bang Dae-Ho, CFA

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:27 | 2171922 LongSoupLine
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"No mowr yankee on my wanky..." - Long Duck Dong

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:33 | 2171935 longdong silver
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Wha?  huh?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:45 | 2171518 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ha ha!  + another one for the Turd!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 18:41 | 2171682 HoofHearted
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And I'll be worried about what's happening at Megiddo when Nadler finally gets bullish...

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:21 | 2171911 JonNadler
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you know....gold doesn't look so bad right now......., he he, nah just teasing you boys    

Gold to 300 by year end!!!!

Aren't I right Akak?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:46 | 2172290 DoChenRollingBearing
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I thought it would be down to $5.00 or so, you know, the cost of getting it out of the ground.

Did Johnny Bravo ever finish college?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:29 | 2171448 Piranhanoia
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stop calling me Shirley,  and we're on instruments

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 18:58 | 2171730 GernB
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Of course I'm serious... and stop calling me Shirley

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 19:05 | 2171745 spinone
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I picked the wrong day to stop sniffin glue

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 19:07 | 2171756 peekcrackers
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I am serious and dont call me shirley !

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:54 | 2171974 iamgogi
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Yes, I am serious. and don't call me shirley. John P would be good. or Mabel

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:42 | 2172283 francis_sawyer
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I haven't felt this sick since the Anita Bryant concert...

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 03:43 | 2172505 Salamanda
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Oh yes he is... and stop calling him Shirley!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:25 | 2172246 StychoKiller
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Even a blind sow can find an acorn once in awhile.

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 17:13 | 2173586 FuentesElla23
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a best friend's mother-in-law makes $73 hourly on the computer. She has been laid off for 6 months but last month her income was $14399 just working on the computer for a few hours. Go to this web site and read more .... LazyCash9.com

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 18:11 | 2171595 Montecarlo
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Gold is the new appl   2's and 20 baby!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:54 | 2171272 SheepDog-One
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ARRRGghhhhhh me gold dubloons just got a curse from Davey Jones hisself!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:40 | 2171498 Flakmeister
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Not the Hedges very own Davey Jones!   Say it ain't so!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:55 | 2171279 slow_roast
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</sarc>

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:56 | 2171281 fightthepower
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Soros is selling his gold!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:04 | 2171332 hack3434
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I thought he sold it last year...

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:18 | 2171396 francis_sawyer
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to his left hand

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 18:43 | 2171686 Chaffinch
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It was an arm's length transaction

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:56 | 2171282 Robslob
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Lol

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:56 | 2171283 SILVERGEDDON
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Short gold, go long dong silver.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:35 | 2171941 longdong silver
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get up and go, got up and went.....

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:56 | 2171286 PontifexMaximus
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No one even dares to believe that he could be on the right track.....after knowing his short term track record. But: could he be correct?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:20 | 2171409 francis_sawyer
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Someone needs to pass the memo to Paulson that gold isn't "backed" by anything...

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:57 | 2171287 alien-IQ
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that's the signal to go long USD.Yes I know it's shit, but it's (for now at least) the best horse in the glue factory.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:08 | 2171355 Alea Iactaest
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... the tallest midget

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 18:39 | 2171679 HoofHearted
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"the leper with the most fingers..." (thanks Max Keiser)

or...the floater as everything else goes down the toilet first...

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 22:43 | 2172177 A Nanny Moose
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The hooker with crabs, rather than AIDS.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:57 | 2171288 pan
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BTFD!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:58 | 2171289 mc_LDN
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UGHHHHH. Unless.... He's realised that everyone on ZH does the oppopsite of what he says hence time to reverse trading strategy. BUY BUY BUY

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:40 | 2171951 donsluck
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Hmm, is it time to abandon ZH? You know it couldn't last.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:57 | 2171293 css1971
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Just set my stops.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:57 | 2171295 antidisestablis...
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I'm pretty sure the flock will be able to put a positive spin on this.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:42 | 2171956 tekhneek
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I like the part where they show you the 1 hour chart and scream bubble after the fixing.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:57 | 2171296 valvehume
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go for arts 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:58 | 2171297 fonzannoon
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Look how complacent this market is. Greece..who gives a shit. Oil....who gives a shit....

I thought Paulson only sold his GLD so he could buy physical. I guess that is not true?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:58 | 2171303 Dermasolarapate...
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Barbarian!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:27 | 2172251 StychoKiller
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Someone got hungry for Au-crunchies! :>D

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 16:59 | 2171306 ekm
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Seeing Paulson's failures, whoever behaves as if he or she knows what they are doing, including some ass braggers on this blogg, should be ashamed of themselves.

Suggestion: Go for a colonoscopy.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:00 | 2171307 i_fly_me
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This is GREAT news!  My acquisition rate is headed up.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:00 | 2171308 kindape
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i dont think he ever stopped being bulllish. he just was thinking 2 steps ahead and market was at 1 step ahead and he had margin calls

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:00 | 2171310 Bastiat009
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Does that mean that everything I have been reading here was wrong and the only reason why I should buy gold was that Paulson was selling his? I thought that gold was good for the exact reason explained by Paulson today. 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 18:14 | 2171601 spankthebernank
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Tongue and cheek my man. When asset prices roll over gold will go with it, for a time anyway. Maybe he's calling the top in the equity market?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:01 | 2171311 Scribbles
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CRAP! I'm selling it all for Apple stock.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 19:05 | 2171746 GernB
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Only the best investors waited for it to get over 500 before buying because that's like a milestone that proves it's going up.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:01 | 2171316 Black Forest
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Every dog has its day.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:01 | 2171317 Strelok
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This might be bad news for gold, in the short term anyway.  When everybody is becomes bullish on gold, or anything else, it's probably time to step back and reasses your next moves. 

Either way, I'm long silver since I bought all of mine at $12-15/oz back in the '07-'08 era.  I'm too poor for gold. 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:01 | 2171320 The Swedish Chef
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I wish I bought more back when... But I guess we can expect a correction now, can´t we?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:06 | 2171343 SheepDog-One
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Sure! Expect a correction, in anything but stocks from here on out.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:02 | 2171323 resurger
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Is it ok to say

"Fuck Gold & Silver"

O_0

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:05 | 2171335 blu
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Not around here. You'll have down-votes before you can say "holy phizzical Batman!"

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:09 | 2171360 resurger
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just for this post Blu :)

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:12 | 2171372 AgShaman
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Yes....but it's a bit like wearing and eye-patch on the public rail system...

You may wake up in a road-side ditch.

Don't wake up in a road-side ditch....keep some gold and silver in your portfolio

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:22 | 2171413 francis_sawyer
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don't have a grandchild with a dog collar...

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:32 | 2171456 AgShaman
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double good!

Sat, 02/18/2012 - 12:10 | 2172851 Sunshine n Lollipops
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Q: Is it ok to say "Fuck Gold & Silver"

A: As long as you follow proper Fight Club etiquette and say "Fuck Gold & Silver," bitchez.

 

 

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:03 | 2171325 Dr. Engali
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Shit! Fuck!

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:08 | 2171351 AgShaman
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Gold induced Tourette's Syndrome?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:04 | 2171329 blu
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Well then I am off to the sushi bar for a ceremonial dram of sake before committing ritual sepuku in the center of the nearest intersection.

Just kidding. I'm going on a bike ride.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:23 | 2171416 francis_sawyer
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don't drink & ride...

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:53 | 2171970 donsluck
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Go ahead, you have 0.0 liability.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:04 | 2171330 youngman
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He will buy his gold...but his investments in Greeceor whatever  will fall flat...so he will have to sell again to cover his loses

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:05 | 2171334 AgShaman
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"Gold is a bubble....and the bull market in gold is over"  -Larry Kudlow

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 23:33 | 2172263 francis_sawyer
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He never really did quite understand the true meaning of a "GOLD-i-locks" economy, did he?

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:06 | 2171336 _ConanTheLibert...
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Hey, Paulson merely got a brainwave. Every idiot has his good moments.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 19:30 | 2171809 WmMcK
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Even a blind squirrel catches a nut sometimes.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 20:43 | 2171958 Au Shucks
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only 'cause they're easier for the cats to catch

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:05 | 2171338 Motley Fool
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Correction ahead or perhaps demise of the paper market. Things do seem to be progressing nicely.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:09 | 2171356 Eisenhorn
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This COULD be the one time he is right.

After all, it means even Paulson is now giving up on the Ponzi.  And my guess is he knows a person or two with some insight into how close we might be.....

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:09 | 2171359 Gunther
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I will get scared when he buys real bullion and takes posession of the metal.

Fri, 02/17/2012 - 17:20 | 2171411 tobinajwels
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How do we know that he has not bought physical?

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