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Houston: We Have A Funding Crisis (And A Broken Libor Primer)

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As the ECB remains the liquidity provider of last and only resort, we suspect the oh-so-transparent central bank is causing some banks to avoid it and look to the cross-currency basis swap market to fund themselves in USD as the 3 month EUR-USD swap reaches 126bps (-6bps more today). These levels are the lowest (widest and most USD desperate) since December 2008 and perhaps, away from the SMP-driven sovereign spread markets, are the cleanest and least interfered with market view of the extraordinary USD funding crisis that is occurring. These stresses are just as evident in the GC repo markets and Goldman agrees with us that this crisis is escalating and offers a primer on why the GC repo / Libor markets are dysfunctional currently.

And in an effort to comprehend Libor's movements, Goldman Sachs takes a deeper dive into FF/Libor spreads and GC repo markets:

There has understandably been a heightened focus on funding and Libor over the past few months, but it's reached a crescendo in recent days as Europe has seemingly taken a turn for the worse. Globally we've seen FF/Libor begin to steadily move wider as funding pressures become more evident and market participants seek to hedge downside risks.

 

WHERE SHOULD DOLLAR LIBOR BE?

 

This is a finger-in-the-air exercise – particularly in an environment like this – but I think the US debt ceiling "scare" in early August provides a useful template / floor. Prior to August, money funds and other short end investors faced a massive collateral shortage and chased front end rates to near-zero levels. But once the debt ceiling debate really came to the forefront and investors sensed the potential for near-term bi-modal event risk, short end rates briefly spiked higher before the situation was eventually resolved.

 

Consider:

 

On Monday July 25th, Investor XYZ was seemingly desperate for yield and comfortable lending cash overnight at ~5bps and in the return accepting collateral in the form of Agency MBS (essentially an overnight claim on the "effectively" government-guaranteed GSEs and itself collateralized with real estate). The following Monday, August 1st, that same repo exchange was trading at 40bps as Investor XYZ decided he would rather park cash in an FDIC-insured bank account earning zero rather than take overnight collateralized ultra-high-grade credit risk. (See the chart below for the levels of overnight GC for UST, Agency Debt, and Agency MBS repo during that period.)

 

 

 

When there's obvious event risk looming, investors – particularly those in the short end – have very little incentive to take this sort of bi-modal "headache" risk. In the example above, Investor XYZ was reluctant to lend cash on an overnight basis in exchange for agency collateral that is "effectively guaranteed" by the US government – 40bps may have been the effective breakeven clearing level. Conservative short end money is rightfully more concerned with the return OF capital rather than the return ON capital. So what does this mean for USD Libor?

 

3m Libor is supposed to represent some trimmed-mean average of where a panel of 19 global banks (11 of which are European) are able to borrow on an unsecured basis for three months, but in reality, only a handful of banks are actively raising cash for that term (mostly issuance from the likes of Aussie / Canadian / Scandi names who are underrepresented on the panel). Libor has for years been an "interesting" figure (I'm sure to get some strong comments on this), but it's probably especially so at the moment given the obviously large distinction between the "haves" and the "have nots" and the lack of overall data points in money market space.

 

So if only three months ago, Investor XYZ was afraid to lend ** overnight collateralized ** at 40bps, what's the likelihood that XYZ would be willing to lend ** uncollateralized 3-month term ** for anything even close to 40bps? As 2008 taught many of us, there's a clearing level for everything, but with Libor having set today at ~46.5bps, that 6.5bp extra "compensation" seems especially paltry. Granted, Libor is priced to increased to about 60bps over the next month, but even after reaching that level, will it be fair? A Belgium (AA+) bill auction this morning itself tailed by 60bps... 60bps.

 

I write the above knowing that many will respond and again remind me that Libor is only a survey-based number that may not always accurately represent universal funding reality; I can appreciate that. But I also write the above to point out that with the current volatility in the world, the "right" level for Libor is likely significantly higher than where it's currently setting and very likely where it's currently set to go. So the current drip-drop increase in Libor can probably go quite a bit further and pick up the pace if one assumes the volatility persists and if one assumes that Libor is very slowly converging to the "right" clearing level. Yes, the banking system as a whole has become better capitalized and has an improved liquidity profile, but in an environment punctuated by an overall questioning of previously risk-free sovereigns, this sort of systemic re-pricing shouldn't be unexpected.

 

WHERE MUST IT STOP?

 

Libor should in theory be capped given the outstanding FX swap lines that the Fed has in place with various central banks. Specifically, the Fed offers unlimited USD liquidity (up to 3m term) to foreign central banks at OIS+100 who then pass these funds to foreign banks. Currently, OIS+100bps equates to about 1.08%, but as central banks tend to only lend against haircutted collateral, the effective cost of funds will in practice be even higher. A colleague in Europe – Bernhard Rzymelka – did an analysis in September and found that this equated to a ~35bp charge at the ECB, so all in, the actual cost of funds via the FX swap facility may closer to the 1.40-1.50% vicinity. Hence, that should set the upper bound on libor. (Meanwhile, domestic banks – 3 of them on the Libor panel – are able to borrow collateralized from the Fed's discount window at 75bps.)

 

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO STOP / SLOW IT?

 

We see several different possibilities:

 

1/ Fed cuts the cost of the FX swap line to, say, OIS+50bps. The aforementioned "upper bound" would in theory then be reduced by the amount of the cut. While the effective cost of funding would still be near 1%, it would succeed in essentially cutting off a third of the negative tail of the distribution function (1.00-1.50%) and should do much to contain any further rise in Libor. That said, this option has been on the table for quite some time and the Fed has yet to go down this route, and in an environment where such an action would appear to be a "subsidy" to foreign banks, it would likely encounter some strong domestic resistance.

 

2/ Europe re-introduces bank debt guarantees. While the effect may be blunted given the obvious stress on sovereigns (the ultimate guarantors), this would on the margin make it easier for banks to obtain short-term funding.

 

3/ Fed cuts IOER. I'm sure I'll get pushback on this (people love to hate IOER), but if the Fed can push very short rates to zero or even negative levels, investors would likely feel more inclined to entertain the possibility of investing in short-term bank paper.

 

4/ Fed ends Operation Twist and switches to outright QE. As mentioned earlier, the front end of the curve has suffered from a dearth of collateral for months. By pledging to sell 400bn in <3yr securities, the Fed intends to quench a large portion of that thirst. Unfortunately, the Fed also succeeded in effectively "crowding out" other issuers in the front end. If the Fed isn't raising rates until mid-2013 and I can "risklessly" earn 22bps by buying UST 6/13s, I'm probably going to feel less inclined to buy much-riskier 3m bank paper at the current Libor set (~46.5bps). Thus, if the Fed were to curtail its selling of shorter-dated securities, I suspect short-term Treasury rates would crash lower and bank funding conditions may at the margin become easier.

 

5/ Europe fixes itself and tensions relax. In this instance, banks may feel less compelled to submit higher Libor sets even though their actual cost of funding may yet still be higher. But I think most investors would consider this outcome unlikely...

Chart: Bloomberg

(h/t David H)

 

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Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:37 | 1882421 Hard1
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Funding Bitchez!  Every european bank has the MFer trade on, consisting on funding your FUCKING PIGS positions with the European Central Backstop (ECB).

France

USA

Cambodia

Kenya

Italy

Nigerial

Geece

 

Portugal

Italy

Greece (again) and we hope this place is not taken by Germany

Spain

 

OK a couple countries there were a stretch, but no big difference in debt management between Nigeria an Greece.

 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:37 | 1882456 scatterbrains
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What's the most active bank in Goldies dark pool market this morning ?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:41 | 1882475 Hard1
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Oh, and the US banks have the same trade on. Only difference is that they did the synthetic version with CDS.  Guess who the counterparties on the CDS are!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:42 | 1882488 CClarity
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And don't forget that oil is priced in US$ and one can always get US$ with gold too.  Watch what is happening in those two commodities for more clues on the pile in to US$ for the upcoming greater liquidity/funding/counterparty crisis.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:37 | 1882460 Potemkin Villag...
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I'll buy a vowel Vanna...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:39 | 1882712 Tramp Stamper
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aeIOU

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:38 | 1882463 SGS
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Yeah! All the momos running into the $US like lemmings! Yeah!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:50 | 1882517 YesWeKahn
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C- Canada,

K- united Kingdom

N - Norway

 

Don't mess with African countries, they are the victims.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:30 | 1882422 The Axe
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Ok...I need a tutor

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:39 | 1882437 idea_hamster
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I'll start and let everyone else jump all over me with corrections:

Euro-area banks that have USD-denominated liabilities are having a problem: they cannot get USD-denominated funding in the normal course of borrowing because no one is confident they will be around next week or tomorrow, and the ECB, their central bank, can't issue USD liquidity on its own.

There was a time when the ECB would use swap lines with the US Fed to act as intermediary for euro-area banks, but because everyone finds out who used ECB swap lines, the banks are reluctant to reveal how illiquid they are.

So the banks have gone to using cross-currency basis swaps, a floating rate interest swap contract, where (I presume) they would be paying out euro-denominated interest and receiving USD-denominated interest. This way, they get some USD liquidity through the private market.

Corrections, anyone?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:46 | 1882497 Potemkin Villag...
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"Corrections, anyone?"

That's a pretty good thesis (green arrow up)...

I'll only add that in layman's terms its a 'clusterfuck surrounded by a circle jerk'...

 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:50 | 1882515 idea_hamster
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If you hold your nose and look closely, you'll see that it's actually a gang rape surrounded by a anal-screw lap sit.

Oh, and that's us on the bottom.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1882527 LawsofPhysics
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"Oh, and that's us on the bottom."

 

Classic, any idea how much we will end up paying for this "lap dance".

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:59 | 1882546 Potemkin Villag...
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"any idea how much we will end up paying for this "lap dance"."

Historically, the more relevant question (rather than 'how much'), is 'out of which orifice' will be paying said amount...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:01 | 1882559 idea_hamster
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To quote the old Lloyds wet marine partnership agreement, your're liable to "your last cufflink."

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:36 | 1883268 slewie the pi-rat
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or solve tyler's captcha:

(-6bps more today)

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:54 | 1882531 Potemkin Villag...
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kinky - the Bilderbergs must have invented that one...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:02 | 1882564 I am more equal...
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In other words, its a Penn State football camp with Coach Sandoski in the shower with Europe.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:37 | 1882993 onebir
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"There was a time when the ECB would use swap lines with the US Fed to act as intermediary for euro-area banks, but because everyone finds out who used ECB swap lines, the banks are reluctant to reveal how illiquid they are."

Not sure about this bit. (Maybe I missed it?) It looks like the ability of the European central banks (aka ESCB) to cap overnight rates using US$ obtained via their Fed swap lines is limited by their current collateral policies + the Fed's current 1% OIS rate.

Today I learned:
GC = general collateral
http://www.eurexrepo.com/basics/europe.html
OIS = overnight indexed swap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overnight_indexed_swap

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:31 | 1882424 LawsofPhysics
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In layman's terms, what is this index supposed to represent?  Is it the ECB's available credit (in USD)?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:31 | 1882427 HelluvaEngineer
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Opening bell...and all the morons run in to BTFD

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:31 | 1882428 SamAdams1234
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End game playing out.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:32 | 1882429 prains
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Not such a cliff dive like last time but a more gradual desent into the abyss

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:39 | 1882471 Sancho Ponzi
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As manipulated as it is, the TED spread is getting ugly as well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=.TEDSP:IND

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1882528 Mike2756
Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:47 | 1882504 SheepDog-One
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I wouldnt count on such an easy ride...one of these mornings we'll be looking at an aircraft carrier sinking in the Straits, and ICBM contrails. I dont know what real good gold and silver and food and ammo will really do, but its better than nothing.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:58 | 1882540 americanspirit
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Thank you SD1 - way too little focus on geopolitical issues here on ZH - until they hit the headlines that is. You are one of the best at bringing in that perspective. Let's try to get as far ahead of the geo-political curve as we ( collectively) are ahead of the fiscal/monetary event curve. I read a lot of geo-political blogs but have hesitated in the past to bring refs from them to ZH - maybe others feel the same. For my part I am going to begin trying to do some cross-linking.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:04 | 1882572 Hmm...
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sheepdog-one, I replied to you on the previous dead thread, but I'll repost here as it's topical to your post here too.

You said: How do you figure youre safe without food and weapons stored?

My reply:
I don't.  (and don't think I've ever said so, have I?)

I also don't think I'll be safe with food and weapons stored. 
And that is my point.

I've said this a few times before around here:  if/when the shit really hits the fan, it's going to hit the fan.  No matter how much we all prepare, almost everyone of us will be losers, and we will likely look back on these times with fondness, even though current times are totally fucked.  that's just how screwed almost everyone of us will be.

Thus: although I agree we need a global financial change, and I agree that we should try to protect ourselves as best as possible (PM, water, arable land, food, and yes, ammo), that is an entirely different than cheering the coming collapse or blithely thinking that I'll be ok just because I did those things.

Also: there is not one shred of data anywhere that would indicate that we as a species can survive a "quick crash" of a global financial bubble as large as we have, with so many nations armed to the teeth.  Depressions have a way of leading to World Wars you know.  The last one we dropped not one, but TWO atomic bombs on a country... one of them after they had all but surrendered.  You don't think we'll drop a few nukes?  Does anybody here think that their ammo will protect them from nuclear winter?

no, it is not me who underestimates the ferocity and the evil that lives in humans, nor what they will do to the innocent.

But perhaps I misunderstand the people who scream "Gold to $50,000/oz, bitchez" comments.  Maybe they aren't really cheering the collapse of the global financial system for personal profit.  It could likely just be them letting off steam knowing that we are all fucked.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:32 | 1882431 Hmm...
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ominous indeed.

Would people go long the dollar here, terrifying and foolish as that may appear?

If the stress is great enough I would think that players will sell anything and everything in order to get dollars.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:40 | 1882482 ArkansasAngie
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It's amazing what people will sell when their electricity is about to be turned off for non-payment.  Insolvency is indeed a bitch.

And when they don't sell ... it's called involuentary bankruptcy.

Hey Benny ... QE 3 is not the answer.  Take your monetary debasement and stick up your nose.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:33 | 1882434 SunnyD
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Can someone explain this to me? I get that lower numbers roughly equates to it's harder to fund in USD... but why? What the mechanics of these instruments that I should be aware of going forward? Thanks in advnace for the eplaination!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:40 | 1882479 Potemkin Villag...
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The  'Triffin Paradox' is all you need to know...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:43 | 1882490 foomer
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If i understand the chart correctly, it is the basis swap and is an indication of USD shortage.  Anything under -100 (cost of funding) indicates an illiquid market.  As you can see, it's at -125.  Someone with more knowledge of the credit markets could probably give you a better answer.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:33 | 1882439 Yellowhoard
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Lube anyone?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:49 | 1882514 alien-IQ
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No lube. The sound of the people screaming in pain is arousing to TPTB.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:34 | 1882445 rgilliam37
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Can the FED print and distribute privately?

If they can this shit will never end until it implodes under its own critical mass.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:36 | 1882450 Paralympic Equity
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Well at -125 basis points the EU banks are screwed, because they pay more for USD than they get for EUR, taking into account that the ECB ref rate is now 1,25% not 1,5%...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:37 | 1882458 Tic tock
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"the cleanest and least-interfered with.." is this sarcasm?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:21 | 1882641 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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It's all relative

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:37 | 1882459 surf0766
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Everyone is waiting for the first guy to head to the door.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:41 | 1882486 Potemkin Villag...
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It's too bad that 'the door' is a revolving one...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:50 | 1882516 LawsofPhysics
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and by "everyone" you mean the trade bots, right?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:43 | 1882492 SheepDog-One
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QE is a total failure....HEY I know! Lets do more of THAT! 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:47 | 1882493 whirlybird rules
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/16/us-eurozone-idUSTRE7AC15K20111116

 

and... straight t from the ECB Press Room..  I mean Reuters!  Note their pointing out that to date the ECB bond purcahses have been "modest" (?!)

 

 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:47 | 1882509 alien-IQ
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Modest...like John Holmes at a bachelorette party.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:45 | 1882496 alien-IQ
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nothing going on here that a juicy rumor can't fix.

expect them to start floating the rumors of bliss and happiness at about 11:35am

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:45 | 1882500 razorthin
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/sarc on

Ah but US Industrial production was better than expected.

/sarc off

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:00 | 1882550 americanspirit
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can you say "channel-stuffing in progress"?

 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:46 | 1882503 PaperBear
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Gold/silver get whacked again and once QE is announced by BB to fill the funding gap, watch the hell out.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:49 | 1882513 SheepDog-One
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I dont really believe it, PM's will be their main target to hold down until the wheels fly completely off...and then who will even care what the 'price' is? Also, theyre not going to do some diamond encrusted 'QE' just not going to happen.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:55 | 1882533 achmachat
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I care what the "price" is!

If you keep buying 100 ounces of shiny stuff each week, it feels really good whenever the price goes down 10-15% per ounce.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:52 | 1882523 Fix It Again Timmy
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Pull the life-support and let the whole corrupt ball of shit die; i'm sure at least one couple out of 7 billion people will survive and carry on...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:54 | 1882532 SheepDog-One
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$30 trillion printed and handed to banks interest free, to get us to this sorry state and all they can talk about is more of it. Ammo, PM's, some food stored...may at least let you watch the show for a while anyway.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:04 | 1882573 Potemkin Villag...
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one couple out of 7 billion people will survive and carry on...

All 7 & we'll watch them fall...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-FRRagAxY&feature=related

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:21 | 1882643 SheepDog-One
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1 couple surviving out of 7 billion...HEY its enough to put on a new season of Dancing with the Stars!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:53 | 1882529 holdbuysell
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When I read this, I thought of this video clip and the related allegory, where the house is wall street and the financial system.

Good thing all the Main Street people got out of the way before the implosion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GxP9qlqOvc

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:55 | 1882534 SILVER_GIRL
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:)

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:59 | 1882547 achmachat
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you only moved the headstones! you only moved the headstones!!!!!

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:56 | 1882537 downtownshuter
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The word "crisis" sure gets used a lot around here.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:07 | 1882582 alien-IQ
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would you prefer the word Unicorn?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 10:58 | 1882544 PulauHantu29
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Print 24/7 to save the Euro at this point.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:00 | 1882549 SILVER_GIRL
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print the Santa Claus :)

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:00 | 1882551 marcusfenix
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off topic I know, but one of those curious things may point to something larger...

anybody here want to hazard a guess as to why DC feels it is necessary to suddenly field a large military presence...in Australia?

US, Australia Agree to Military Force Deployment

thoughts anybody?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:03 | 1882567 SILVER_GIRL
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because of the escape of kangaroos :)

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:17 | 1882620 marcusfenix
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LoL...has the DHS issued an alert yet?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:21 | 1882644 SILVER_GIRL
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not yet :))

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:06 | 1882580 qussl3
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China.

US has the the ME more or less covered, with Oz based the whole of SEA is surrounded by bases to operate from.

Japan wanted SEA in WW2 for its resources, China will be no different.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:15 | 1882617 marcusfenix
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that's what I was thinking as well, something to that effect.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:09 | 1882589 Potemkin Villag...
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anybody here want to hazard a guess as to why DC feels it is necessary to suddenly field a large military presence...in Australia?

---

Maybe they're going turn Australia into a "prison state" for all the jailed bankers & politicians coming in 5...4...3...2...

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 12:52 | 1883087 ParkAveFlasher
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Big new PM Exchange opening up.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:13 | 1882595 Kina
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Because their obese redhead Prime Minister is a US cock-puppet and has regularly sucked Obama and US TPTB on their daily desires such as trying to package Assange as charged tried and found guilty of something when they can think it up....

Something about some Australian PMs that they feel important if they can get a pat on the head from the USA, like yapping little puppy dogs. Except Australia's Gillard is more like a swollen saugage dog.

 

 

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:03 | 1882569 YesWeKahn
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This phucking insane market just doesn't want to drop.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:23 | 1882650 SheepDog-One
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Thats another disconnect from the QE3 line...wheres the need for it? People dont understand -1.25 USD exchange rate funding deficit, they understand 'DOW', and thats near all time highs.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:09 | 1882581 scatterbrains
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These guys are doing a fantastic job keeping SPY above 124 gotta hand it to them.. cliff dive if it cracks though.

Viewed another way when BAC breaks 6 the dirty pig is going straight to 5

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:33 | 1882685 PulauHantu29
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JPMorgan, Goldman Keep Italy Debt Risk in Dark

By Christine Harper and Michael J. Moore

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-16...

"""JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), among the world’s biggest traders of credit derivatives, disclosed to shareholders that they have sold protection on more than $5 trillion of debt globally."""

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:42 | 1882728 slaughterer
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OT: look at HFC (HollyFields) today: Soros/Tepper had HFC as new purchase last qurter 13-F, Goldman upgraded it to "conviction buy" yesterday, down 8% today.  I smell a Stolper.  

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:46 | 1882747 YesWeKahn
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The market will be green today.

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 11:59 | 1882807 IrritableBowels
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So does anyone know what the rumor was?

Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:45 | 1883301 slewie the pi-rat
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L0L!!!  to the squid, everthing looks like a nail to keep hammering home their proxy; to wit:

  • 3/ Fed cuts IOER.
  • 4/ Fed ends Operation Twist  (oh...and goes to QE, of course)
Wed, 11/16/2011 - 13:50 | 1883315 Captain Kink
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A lot of European bank debt (over $300 billion) and sovereign debt (who knows) is "housed" in US Money Market Funds that pay almost nil...how long before holders of MMF decide that no gain for considerable risk is folly?  Get your cash/clients' cash out of money market funds now! 

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