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This Is How Greek Neo-Nazis Deal With Confrontation On Live TV

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The video below is a great a preview of things to come in Greece. Per Bloomberg, Greek police on Thursday issued an arrest warrant for the spokesman of far-right party Golden Dawn for assaulting two left-wing politicians on live television.  Ilias Kasidiaris was shown on a live morning show jumping out of his seat and slapping Communist Party member Liana Kanelli three times after throwing a glass of water at leftist SYRIZA party member Rena Dourou. Golden Dawn, which was elected for the first time to parliament in a May 6 election, is accused of carrying out violent attacks against immigrants. Surely, being captured on live national TV beating up women will do wonders for restoring the party's image as that encouraging pacifism and peaceful resolution of problems.

And from IBT:

The spokesman for Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party has assaulted two woman MPs in a live broadcast from a television studio by slapping one and chucking water at another.

Ilias Kasidiaris, who is already facing accusations that he was an accomplice in the mugging of a student, threw his water at Rena Dourou of Syriza (the Coalition of the Radical Left) and then slapped the Communist Party (KKE) member Liana Kanelli three times.

Police have issued an arrest warrant for him.

"When you're slapped by a beast, it's a slap on the cheek of every citizen," Kanelli said after the attack.

A spokesman for the New Democracy party said: "The people must send them [Golden Dawn] to the dustbin of history."

Kasidiaris reportedly threatened journalists and technicians offscreen also.

Golden Dawn, which obtained 7 percent of the vote and 21 seats at the parliamentary, is considered a neo-Nazi party in Greece.

Leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos has rejected claims of affiliation with Nazism, even though the party's emblem, a squared spiral, and its colours recall closely the swastika. Michaloliakos made a Hitler-style salute when he was elected in 2010 to Athens city council.

A video published on YouTube showed muscular supporters of Golden Dawn urging journalists to rise from their seats as a sign of respect for Michaloliakos when he took the stage. Those who refused were expelled from the room.

Well, if one's country is going down, may as well go down swinging. But perhaps there are worhtier targets than women...


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Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:06 | 2502688 magpie
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In their own words: "Incarcerating Gallantry"


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:08 | 2502690 Colombian Gringo
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This is how the banksters treat us every day. Try protesting in front of GS and see how long you survive exercising your first amendment rights before your head gets cracked by New York's Finest.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:21 | 2502738 Killtruck
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...might as well be Greek to me.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:25 | 2502759 Comay Mierda
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bathsalts are a bitch

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:33 | 2502798 General Decline
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That guy should become a police officer here in the States.  He looks qualified to me.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:21 | 2503167 Titus
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Hijacking after the best comment at the top.

Does anyone have a transcript in English?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:50 | 2503729 Vigilante
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The bitch that got punched is a famous Stalinist Lesbo known to have a very short fuse.

Enter the Golden Dawn guy who is also known to have a short fuse.

The name calling started 'commie','nazi' etc and it went from there.

I uderstand this will be beneficial for G.D. come election day.

Half of Greece wanted to slap that bitch who is an extremely aggressive/irritating peson.

I hear just now that she won't press charges...hmmm


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:13 | 2503842 Kobe Beef
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Greek Stalinist Parliament Bitchez should be slapped. All of them, male or female, repeatedly, for as long as it takes.

Hell, slap the whole parliament. Surely 99 out of 100 deserve it.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:16 | 2503853 Scalaris
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I applaud the way you've captured the totality of Greece's national sentiment regarding the current situation, vis-a-vis "Half of Greece wanted to slap that bitch who is an extremely aggressive/irritating person", by being nowhere near of even the furthest point of the truth.

Also yes, the neo-nazi MP combo-slapping the "famous Stalisnist Lesbo" can be nothing but beneficial for Golden Dawn, as you do understand of coure.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2504165 Things that go bump
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Why else would they sit them next to each other?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 13:41 | 2504584 Stackers
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Come on now. This is unfair. Who HASN'T wanted to throw a glass of water in the face of a socialist and bitch slap a communist or two ???

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 15:13 | 2504981 Things that go bump
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It looked staged to me.  He was obviously holding back or he would have knocked her down.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:24 | 2503176 Manthong
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Ir's surprising he skipped the haircut/shave last week.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:38 | 2503247 Unbezahlbar
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Jerry Springer has competition.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:16 | 2503481 fourchan
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shittyist quality video ever put on the web.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 18:33 | 2505582 Joseph Jones
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You're new to the internet, eh? 

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:56 | 2503754 anarchitect
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At its root, politics is mostly about threatening people with violence if they don't fall in line with your ideas on how to improve the world. So I enjoy this kind of thing because it shows politicians for what they really are. Fistfights in parliaments are also great entertainment. And at least this guy has the balls to use violence himself rather than hiding behind the state.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:11 | 2504175 Things that go bump
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She should have kicked him in the balls.  Then it would have been perfect.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 15:57 | 2505162 Clint
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He should have hit her harder than that. That is what Marxists deserve.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:37 | 2502806 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Right Wingers are all deep down a violent, nefarious bunch. We on the left believe in helping one's fellow man, while the right believe in nothing but the dog eat dog rule of the jungle. I've often been threatened with violence will simply doing my job of regulating small businesses for the government. Some people simply have no scene of social responsibility.

Recently I imposed a firm penalty on a cafe owner for not properly declaring the exact caffeine content in all varieties of his coffee. He told me he'd like to give me a good hiding; I responded by saying the money will go to the government, the government helps those in need - he threw a piece of trash in my face. The best way to stand up to these violent free market types is Gandhi's way. So I simply quoted Proudhone "Property is theft". I also have that tattooed on my right arm in the original french.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:40 | 2502817 Harlequin001
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'simply doing my job off regulating small businesses for the government. Some people simply have no scene of social responsibility.' - You can't even fucking spell it. Regulator my arse, you're a troll, and not a very good one at that.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:04 | 2503110 Arthor Bearing
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Yeah he talked about himself too much not to be a troll, actual posters (and good trolls) make it about the people they are trolling.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:15 | 2503151 greyghost
greyghost's picture different than the far leftest here in the u.s. just review the footage from the recall state of mr. walker. still not a dimes worth of difference between the two extremes.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:15 | 2503851 Thisson
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I thought his trolling was actually quite entertaining.  He's like an updated version of Million Dollar Bonus!

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:10 | 2503434 pilager
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Maxloadlopez, turn around time you get regulated. I kinda enjoyed it... social party was getting mouthy.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:46 | 2502846 Hobbleknee
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How many children has Obama murdered with drone strikes this year?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:59 | 2502879 trebuchet
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That is not a justification for neo-nazis in greece


That video is shocking



Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:13 | 2502935 Rusty_Shackleford
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Yes, much more shocking than innocent women and children being torn apart like so much fresh bread. But, best not to think about that,... so unpleasant. It is not a justification, it is a statement regarding American's stunning hypocrisy. Now, stick your fingers back in your ears and resume yelling "NA-NA-NA-NA!"

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:24 | 2502971 Harlequin001
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so what do you do when someone shooting at you is hiding behind innocent women and children? Who's worst? Repeatedly pushing only one side of the story doesn't help or solve anything.

Do we not attack any targets surrounded by human shields in case innocent people get hurt? You tell me.

Sometimes things look very different from the ground. Life is tough...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:45 | 2503035 Sanksion
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From a drone killing people at funerals and weddings either...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:07 | 2503123 Arthor Bearing
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"They are hiding behind women and children!" Well since we kill them anywhere it's more like, "they sometimes spend time with women and children!"

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:24 | 2503183 prole
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Notice the blood (of the innocent) drenched Harlequin's keen use of the word "we"

Harlequin: Please do not include me in your "we" You are from a different country anyway so why "we?"

"we" hope you end up in the crosshairs, with some Troll justifying whatever happens in  sterile terms

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:47 | 2503257 Harlequin001
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Shouldn't you be dead by now?

What happened to this 'Give me Liberty or give me death...' bullshit you were banging on about?

Let's just hope that when you finally get around to doing yourself in, eventually, and yes I know you have a busy schedule, that you don't take out too many innocents when you do.

Might I suggest that you throw a double bladed axe in a tree, take off your hat and run at it really, really fast, head first? That should do the trick.

Guess we'll find out tomorrow eh? Good luck with that one, let me know if you need any help...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:19 | 2503496 chumbawamba
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Hey, I have an observation.  When you go to someone else's country to kill people, and the people you're trying to kill are shooting back at you and they happen to be doing so from behind innocent people (whatever that means), you're still the asshole that went to someone else's country to kill people.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:26 | 2503551 Harlequin001
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That's very astute of you, well done...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:48 | 2503717 prole
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I am still here bitch. I figure if I keep a low profile, ~maybe~ you won't do to me what you did to Rachel Corrie and the crew of the USS Liberty.

And while you are mocking Patrick Henry, why don't you mock the rest of my country's Founding Fathers? It might give some of my brainwashed countrymen a better idea of the relationship we actually have with our "essential ally"

Let me apologize in advance if I am not able to answer you quickly, I'll be throwing up for the next half hour.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:58 | 2503736 Harlequin001
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WTF are you talking about?

Are you not well? Have you finally done the decent thing and poisoned yourself or something?

I must say, my heart's bleeding purple piss at the mere thought of it, or have you been drinking and reading those funny anarchist books with the pop-up pictures again...

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 00:19 | 2506253 Excursionist
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Just trying to figure out your position..  So we shoudn't be assholes and leave al Qaeda militants alone to do as they wish?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 14:26 | 2504764 LarryDavis
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Are you really sticking up for the extremists killed in drone strikes? Just because our government does alot of fucked up shit doesn't mean EVERYTHING they do is bad. These people have to be pretty sure they are targets and so if they are going to surround themselves with their kids then that's really fucking selfish. Look at Bin Laden. He knew the entire western world was trying to kill him at any second would and had his kids roll with him? Please. These people get what they deserve. Religious zealots of colors and creeds and terrorists need to be removed (and yes I acknowledge that our government/military are bullies who karmatically have some shit coming). Believe me I know how bad the US government is, but we are relatively selective with regards to whom we kill with the drones. As far as I'm concerned we might even be too judicious with those things. Fuck the Middle East and Islamic extremists. Fuck Christian extremists and Nazis too not to mention the Jews. Killing people actually seems like a good efficient answer. Alot of people wish they put a bullet in Hitler, Idi-Amin, Castro, et al. Assasination is an effective tool and needs to make a comeback. If only they would direct some of those drones to Wall St.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:28 | 2503880 Kobe Beef
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Try not starting wars of choice, where you end up in somebody else's backyard, mowing down people at random.

The only way to win is not to play.

Do you honestly think the human shield excuse won't be used once the drones begin mowing down Americans? The Empire doesn't give a shit about you. Stop carrying its water.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:46 | 2503042 GeneMarchbanks
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God damn it Rusty!

Everyone knows that when a unmanned drone kills then no one is responsible! First of all, they have the decency of not putting it on live television. Second, they always protect my freedom so there is nothing to really worry about.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:09 | 2503129 Blankman
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Its all just video games anyways, its not real.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:28 | 2503194 ptoemmes
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Does not look like this was a drone strike, but I imagine Big O's definition of enemy combatant if you just happen to be so unlucky to be in the blast area applies here too (Yeah I know it's NATO)

You say civilian, O says combatant - you're dead regardless.

18+ dead.  Hundreds - or more - pissed off.



Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:05 | 2503115 Withdrawn Sanction
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Yes, much more shocking than innocent women and children being torn apart...

As if that were not bad enough, to add another layer of perversion on top of that atrocity, Obama apparently revels in the mayhem he orders:  he watches the drone kill shots over and over again...a form of high tech snuff film.  Truly sickening.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:03 | 2503789 fajensen
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Puritanism breeds perversion: Can't screw everything that fogs a mirror like Johnson, Kennedy, Can't bang any interns anymore like Clinton, Can't even cop a grope ... Wife looks somewhat scary, cutting into the dreams. "Rule 34" becomes the only release available.

... I do prefer normal lechers and perverts to the necrophiles, narcissists and sadists, but who am I to judge? The People clearly prefer the latter!

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 14:50 | 2504867 JeffB
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But no sound-bite sized video clip of him at the controls.

The puppet masters over here are apparently far more clever than the upstarts in Greece. Of course that's not a fair comparison, they've had a lot more time to build their machine, hone their skills, and a lot more money to carry out their wishes.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 18:38 | 2505591 Joseph Jones
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Anwar al-Awlaki's son (both USA citizens murdered by Obummer's CIA drone strikes) was age 16. 

If you approve of Anwar and his son's murder: the only difference between Obummer and Syria's Al Assad is number count.   

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:59 | 2502878 fiercekitty
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theMAXILOPEZpsycho says: (at least you've correctly named yourself..)

Right Wingers are all deep down a violent, nefarious bunch.

Really, Mr. Psycho?  Go to YouTube and watch this video:  Scenes from a "Black Bloc."  Shows a bunch of people who consider themselves anarchists (but are really Marxists) doing a 10+ minute rampage in San Francisco on April 30.  I watched them cause EASILY six-figures worth of damage:  breaking car windshields, storefront windows, and even attacking police cars (with policemen in them) and the police station!  Why?  To protest the "gentrification" of that neighborhood.

No one side holds the monopoly on violence, but groups on the left are way more violent than anything I've seen on the right.  In fact, there's a YouTube video of tweets from Twitter users who called for the DEATH of Scott Walker!

I'm not defending what the Golden Dawn guy did, but his country is in dire circumstances and he is frustrated with the lefty loonies and their media cohorts.

Oh, and property is not theft.  Take your ridiculous slogan elsewhere. 


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:17 | 2502953 Ayn NY
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Nazism and fascism are left wing movements. Neither have anything to do with liberty or free markets .

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:51 | 2503063 Liposuction
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Fricken finally someone else gets it.  How can anarchy be on the right, and nazism be on the right?  They're completely different ideologies.  No government vs. total government.  Both right?

That's a laugh.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:09 | 2503131 fiercekitty
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Did someone say anarcy was on the right?  If so, it wasn't me.  I was referring to people who think they are anarchists, but actually are Marxists.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:33 | 2503206 Paul Atreides
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The divide and conquer continues, this is exactly what they want, arguing amongst one another. When are you people going to learn we all have a common enemy. The time to put our differences aside and unify against the banking cartel is NOW.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:35 | 2503230 fiercekitty
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define the common enemy.  who, what, when, where and why?

I think I know, but just wanted to know who you deem the common enemy is.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:38 | 2503254 Think for yourself
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yep. There's only one political axis that matters: individualism vs statism.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:39 | 2503261 superflyguy
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I say never. And the common enemy knows it, that's why everything is going down the tubes.

The way I explain left and right is that we have a circle, if you go far left or far right, you eventually end up at the same place.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2504169 blunderdog
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Someone who believes in Marx's "communism" is an anarchist.  The inevitable final outcome is a stateless society.

It's hard to believe in stuff like that, though--it's a lot like that "heaven" preached about by some other dude.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 15:50 | 2505126 JeffB
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Marx's communism cannot be achieved but by the heavy hand of the state forcing it down everyone's throat.

Actually, it probably can't be achieved, but state suppression of freedom is the only way they think it can be achieved, even if they think only a temporarily dictatorial state will be needed to usher in their new Nirvana.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 16:21 | 2505257 blunderdog
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Christ's paradise doesn't appear achievable, either.  I wouldn't conclude that this invalidates the point of his theories, though.  Would you?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 22:30 | 2506032 JeffB
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If you mean Christ's paradise isn't achievable in this life I'd agree with you, but He claimed that His paradise was not of this world. He said that this world will pass away, but there will be a new heaven and a new earth. You don't believe it, and I understand that, but I'm sure you'll recognize that just as one couldn't prove what He tells us will happen in the future, you can't disprove His "theory", which He says is to happen in the future based upon what you can observe in the here and now.

On the other hand, I think Marx' theory has proven impossible through observation of the outcome of many attempts. It appears that the adherents have come to the conclusion that the only way to bring about a communist stateless society is through an all powerful state imposing its will upon the populace. I consider that a self-contradictory paradigm.


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 13:50 | 2507971 blunderdog
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My interpretation of Christ's message is totally different than yours, that's all.  You can focus on the afterlife, but most of what he said applies equally well to the here and now.  He sounds like a Buddhist to me--a good Christian achieves his own personal paradise by *living* in accordance with God's will.

Death is an unnecessary step.

But have it your way.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 00:42 | 2509654 JeffB
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I think living according to His law and within His will can indeed bring peace and happiness to His followers, we'll never achieve any heaven on earth until His second coming. It does sound like we have a different understanding of what He said. Here are a few verses that make me think He's not promising us a paradise on earth:

And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. Luke 9:22-24

Remember my word that I said to you: The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they have kept my word, they will keep yours also.  John 15:20

Blessed are they that suffer persecution for justice' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.  Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you. Mat 5:10-12

And when you shall hear of wars and seditions, be not terrified. These things must first come to pass: but the end is not yet presently.  Then he said to them: Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there shall be great earthquakes in divers places and pestilences and famines and terrors from heaven: and there shall be great signs.  But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and into prisons, dragging you before kings and governors, for my name's sake. Luk 21:9-12

Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence. John 18:36 

Sun, 06/10/2012 - 19:07 | 2512941 blunderdog
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To be clear: I don't actually believe that a man/God called Jesus Christ as described in the Gospels ever existed.  I don't consider that relevant, though, in evaluating the principles espoused in the New Testament.

The theories are the important bit in the Bible, in my view.  I consider them valid and useful theories, even though there may never have been a magical guy espousing them.

I have no use for theism at all.  Not a testable hypothesis.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:04 | 2503109 Colonial Intent
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Ladies and Gentlemen, i give you the average american's level of history knowledge......

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:06 | 2503118 Liposuction
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Not sure if serious?

How can anarchy and neo-nazi coexist on the "right"?  They're incongruent.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:17 | 2503157 Colonial Intent
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both exist in violent opposition to all other forms of govt?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:47 | 2503310 Think for yourself
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I don't know about that. Legitimate anarchy, as I understand it, is rather a free zone where no individual is coerced to partake in any social order and no social contract is implied without direct involvement of the individuals concerned. Forms of gov can arise spontaneously within these limitations.

However, in statism, where the state defines itself as the absolute authority and imposes its social contract arbitrarily on the people concerned (for instance on a geographical basis), the ideology of the state requires the absence of any other overlapping authority. Whether that be so-called 'democracy', facism or communism, the state leaves no room for any alternative governance scheme to arise. Anarchy, however, does, within its mandates of the primacy of individual sovereignty.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:40 | 2503666 Colonial Intent
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Thats the theory, in reality/practice anarchy is a parasitic philosophy unless its a diggers kind of movement.

Or so most squatters tell me.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:00 | 2504108 JimBowie1958
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Anarchy never lasts very long and is soon replaced by a thugacracy run by thieves and brigands with absolutely no taste in parades, uniforms and ceremonies. Unbearable.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:38 | 2503249 ms1408
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Exactly. It blows my mind when I see people on the left

1. Criticise the free market

2. Conflate the free market with some kind of government violence to justify their criticism

Seems pretty self-defeating to me.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:14 | 2503147 GeneMarchbanks
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Pretty much... free market mythology must be preserved at all costs.

Something something citizenism.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:32 | 2503216 ms1408
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He just redefined the word 'freedom'. By free market we mean the absence of the initiation of force, not the ability to suspend the laws of physics.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:40 | 2503265 GeneMarchbanks
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Just admit that that didn't even make sense in your head.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:56 | 2503358 ms1408
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Why doesn't it make sense? Please explain.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:03 | 2503402 GeneMarchbanks
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How ‘free’ a market is cannot be
objectively defined. It is a political definition. The usual claim by
free-market economists that they are trying to defend the market
from politically motivated interference by the government is false.
Government is always involved and those free-marketeers are as
politically motivated as anyone.

Did you even bother to read the damn thing? He uses your definition of the word free. Stop with evasive bullshit.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:26 | 2503531 ms1408
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Fair enough. I honestly wasn't trying to be evasive. So in that case, how can he

1. Define freedom

2. Say that a degree of freedom cannot be objectively defined

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:21 | 2503165 Kingbingo
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Colonial Intent, I know that at school you were taught that National Socialists (Nazis) were on the political ‘right’ and that cuddly friendly International Socialist (Marxists) are on the political ‘left’. But you were lied to. Both National Socialists and International Socialist are actually Socialists and are on the ‘left’. The left tends to dominate education and media. It’s hardly surprising that they attempt to re-right history. What is surprising is that you have so completely fallen for something that is patently untrue. Socialists are socialites, regardless of whether they prefer camaraderie across nations by class, or across class by nation.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:36 | 2503175 Colonial Intent
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Hitler was just as much a socialist as stalin was a commie, very fecking little.

Yet both were what i call fascist's

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:40 | 2503269 LetThemEatRand
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It is amazing how many people here are obsessed by whether the Neo-Nazis are in the "right" team or the "left" team.  Pathetic.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:56 | 2504079 Ghordius
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Bingo. It seems to be very important to them. Must have something to do with their own identification.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:10 | 2504167 rsfish
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They are all just repeating that Jonah Goldberg "Liberal Facism" nonsense. Basically a 300 page treatise on "I know you are but what am I?"

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 23:31 | 2509570 MeelionDollerBogus
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Nazis and Fascists are 100% right-wing by definition.

SOcialism and communism are opposite, left-wing by definition.

Nazis are not Socialists either, just as North Korea is not Democratic for having used the name DPRK = "Democratic People's Republic of Korea"

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:59 | 2502880 AnAnonymous
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It will take a packed US citizen to tell this US citizen greek that his party is left wing party.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:23 | 2502977 Nukular Freedum
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Just a thought AA. I like your style, but I'm certainly not "packed":

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:02 | 2502885 MillionDollarBonus_
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You need to stand up for yourself when one of these right wing freaks threatens you. The government is moving the world forward with consumer protection policies and other forward-thinking regulations and laws, and right-wingers just want to take us back to the 1800's with children working in coal factories. It's like they never adapt! They're a dying breed left over from the stone age that refuse to learn how to behace in a civilised society. Don't let these business owners get you down. Keep up the good work, hold your head up high and smile!

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:13 | 2502929 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Thanks. Its people like you that keep me going. That and the firm principled knowledge that, that every tax dollar I help scrape up is going directly from the hands of the undeserving to the deserving, from the profiteer class, to the productive state economy. People on zero hedge fail to live in the real world, complaining of regulations when all the evidence suggests robust regulations and regulators who are empowered to ACT is the lifeblood of any principled economy. As you say, without proper regulations we'd be back to the days of 7 year olds working in coal mines doing 13 hour days with no breaks. Thats what people here are actaully advocating!

Yes you're darn right I'll stick up for myself. After so many threats and negative sentiment, I'm now lobbying for greater powers for us regulators to use the TSA to protect us from such activity. No one doing the real productive work of an economy of maintaining principals and morality, as well as raising government revenue, should have to work in fear of these immoral dollar whores.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:41 | 2503026 ProtectiveFather
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I love it! Two of my favorite satirists giving each other a big satirical hug. It's a ZH satire bifecta.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:57 | 2503085 Harlequin001
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Can anyone join this mutual appreciation society or is it exclusively for tossers?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:07 | 2503122 fiercekitty
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I appreciate you. :P

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:06 | 2503739 smiler03
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I put together a list of quotes from theMAXILOEZpsycho back in April.

He really is a pathetic troll and far from being consistent. In one of his posts he admired MDB as a great troll. He's also unhealthily obsessed with prostitutes and rape (in my opinion).

Here's the ZH post which exposes him for the idiot he is: (shortened URL for tidyness)



Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:22 | 2503883 fiercekitty
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thank you, sir!  just getting to know the cast of charachters here.  :)

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:02 | 2504116 Harlequin001
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Oh, ok, thought you were taking the piss. Welcome to the show...

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 23:26 | 2509564 MeelionDollerBogus
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Pretty sure there's a /sarc invite for RobotTrader from MDB but Max Fischer may take it

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:47 | 2503052 Max Hunter
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okay... it's official.. MAXI and MDB are the same person..

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:36 | 2503237 capitalist bison
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I was thinking the same thing

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:02 | 2503103 Colonial Intent
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If you're giving him a reach around for free can i have one too?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:28 | 2503198 prole
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With you in there it's almost a Troll-Trifecta.

(except those two are funny)

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:18 | 2503159 BandGap
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WTF is a coal factory? Is that where they take rotting dinosaur flesh and turn it into carbon?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:49 | 2503321 magpie
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Abiotic oil theory meets Dickensian Manchester Capitalism ?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:27 | 2502986 Lebensphilosoph
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The history of violence of the 20th century's socialist revolutions evidently means nothing to you. Killing 100 million is what a Marxist and all his derivatives call "helping ones fellow man". I don't know about 'right wingers', but 'you on the left' are all either pathological liars or self-deluded lunatics.


The best way to stand up to these violent free market types is Gandhi's way.


Yes, the way of the hypocritical wife-beater.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:31 | 2503589 e-recep
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You could have said 200 million or even 300 million. What's holding you? The West was the victor of the cold war and wrote the history as it see fit.

And how do you rationalize the carpet bombing Iraqi civilians for profit? Remember, your fellow pro-profit Americans gave support to the lunatic who did it.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 13:14 | 2504454 Peter K
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You sir, are a fucking idiot. You are no better than the delusional communists that ended up in the Soviet gulags, and then spent their days writing letters to Stalin to inform him that they had been mistaken for a real enemy of the state.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:25 | 2504236 blunderdog
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The "left" at the time of the American Revolution were the Founding Fathers.  The liberals.  The guys who believed that you could form a better system of government which protected and respected individual freedom by using rationality and thought.

Sounds crazy, these days.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 13:10 | 2504428 Peter K
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The term "liberal" has been highjacked by the radical left, if you haven't noticed. The US founding fathers were 'liberal' but not 'leftists'.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 14:31 | 2504792 blunderdog
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That's bullshit. 

It's been hijacked by the radical RIGHT as a term of derision, because it's far easier to mouth platitudes and call your opponent names than it is to support the bases of your policy with good arguments and clear principles.

I've been here the whole time.  "Liberal" has been an increasingly negatively-connoted word since the Reagan Revolution convinced some folks that aggressive "statism" is "conservatism."

How they pulled it off is pretty impressive, really.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 14:46 | 2504845 Peter K
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What in God's name does a liberal in the classical sense of the word have to do with the progressive pseudo-religion? "Liberal" means a person who is open to rational argument. What's rational about the current crop of basement Bolsheviks occupying the White House, or organizing re-call elections in Wisconsin?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 15:13 | 2504978 blunderdog
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You'd have to elaborate, as you're mixing up the derision bit and the philosophic meaning there.  I'm not interested in WI recalls, but I'd be glad to listen to whatever your fevered imagination dreamt up about it.

To be clear, though: there are no "Bolsheviks" in the White House.  If you really and honestly and truly believe there are, there's no basis for conversation with me. 

I'll just tell you they're space-aliens instead and we'll agree to disagree.  My explanation is at least more entertaining.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 03:06 | 2506426 Peter K
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I will let Wikipedia 'splain to you what liberalism in the classic sense of the word means:

Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets


As per Bolsheviks, if you read my post correctly, I used the term "basement" as a qualifier. These are school kids living out a fantasy of what it's like to be a radical revolutionary.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:29 | 2502987 Sanksion
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You can't have theft without property in the first place. Proudhon realised it before his death, and wrote it black on white. Btw, either you're a troll and have a little social value (as an entertainer) or you are a complete waste of the space-time fabric, kill yourself. Thank you. Those in need.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:41 | 2503024 Hi Ho Silver
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Some day someone is going to eat that tatoo right off your arm, bitch.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:44 | 2503034 Instant Wealth
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+1 for MDB-in-disguise

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:47 | 2503050 Chuck Walla
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theMAXILOPEZ, you won't get junked if you simply add /sarc or /dumbass after your idiocy.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:31 | 2503209 omar
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A troll, and a stupid one at that.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:47 | 2503306 dbomb12
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WOW, MAXI you are a funny guy

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:53 | 2503329 prodigious_idea
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" . . . while the right believe in nothing but the dog eat dog rule of the jungle."

When anyone says somebody (else) believes "in nothing but", their credibility drops to zero - doesn't matter what side of the debate they occupy.  Given your obvious bias, your are not suited to regulate the very businesses that provide the funding for your paycheck.  This blog doesn't even fit your bias.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:58 | 2503764 bankruptcylawyer
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i don't know if there is room for more than one "MILLIONDOLLARBONUS" ON Zerohedge. 


please, youre a bore.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:54 | 2504356 Silver Pullet
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Isn't MillionDollarBonehead a small business regulator (too) or am I confused?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:35 | 2502809 Harlequin001
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and all because a man loves a bit of 'Happy slappin' before dinner, yeah...

They're politicians man, I should feel sympathy but I don't.

Fact is I could do much worse to Communists and 'Lefties'...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:12 | 2503136 tarsubil
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I'm sure you like spanking the "Leftie" in the mirror. Right and left have their fair share of blood thirsty psychos. So what is the point of differentiating between the two?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:56 | 2503361 Harlequin001
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Of the two women in the video, one's a commie and the other's a far 'Leftie' and both of them want to give my money to someone else for doing nothing don't they, or did I get that wrong?

You'd think they'd learn from their past errors that spending more than you earn is the problem. Whilst I don't condone violence against the fairer sex in any way, to be brutally frank, they both deserve a bit more than a fucking slap just for being what they are, 'commies' and 'lefties' and utterly fucking stupid. Other than that, I don't differentiate between either of them...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:32 | 2503596 XitSam
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"You'd think they'd learn from their past errors ..."

In their view, they did not err in the past. They believe the enemies of Marxism won a battle by oppressing the proletariat (or whatever this year's excuse is). The abilty of collectivists of all stripes to ignore reality is one of the great delusions of all time.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:48 | 2503718 Harlequin001
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very true. Hopefully this madness will be over soon...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:38 | 2502819 BigJim
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The Left and Right in Greece absolutely hate each other.

After the Generals were thrown out (1973?), the socialists have held power, and now both sides consider the other to be unpatriotic sellers-out of the common man.

Which is true, but is also true pretty much of every government.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:48 | 2502850 Harlequin001
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It just kills me that these same people would want to form a government that could declare war and send others to their deaths, yet they complain about a bit of 'happy slapping' on national TV?

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. And buy a fucking baseball bat.


Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:22 | 2502973 Stylianos Kyriacou
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The biggest possitive vote ever to BigJim! Sad but so very true ... That why i've always been saying ... go Pirates ;)  

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:13 | 2503144 tarsubil
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BS. This is the old Blues and Greens. They are fighting for power and they are both willing to do violence to achieve their ends.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:04 | 2503108 Banksters
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Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:12 | 2503138 Randall Cabot
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Aren't neo-nazis supposed to be tall, blue-eyed blondes?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:13 | 2503141 5880
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Did you see all the hot greek women?

Neither did I

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:21 | 2502743 Harlequin001
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Well the bitch clearly deserved it. I think he'd make a great President.... not.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:24 | 2503890 Element
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Have a look at the smile and self-satisfied smirk on the face of the one in orange, after he through the water on her. She was initially taken aback for a second, but almost immediately smiled the smile of complete tactical success.  She was in fact happy, as a pig in shit, that she had incited him to lose-it.  She had tried hard for it to happen, and it happened.

It was first and foremost a political calculation and tactic.

Meaning, that was her intention- have a close look at her immediate conscious reaction, after the water hits her.

She has clearly gone to that interview with the pre-determined intent to get such a reaction from him, via goading and baiting him, to get it. She's actually very lucky he threw only the water, and not the glass itself, with full force.  And the other woman, the one who whacked him with a folder.  She's very lucky he only slapped her, for if he had actually gone after her with fists, she would got a real beating.  So like it or not, he was restraining and moderating his responses and escalation here.  He took it to the next level, yes, but he certainly did not do what he could have done.

The bottom line is, it should be thoroughly illegal for any women to incite a man, in that way.

No man would do that and expect not to get attacked. You would not do it.

Let's get something straight, men are not women, men have male hormones and these are difficult to restrain from the natural male tendency to express physical aggression when angered.  Do female chimps or gorilla's dare to enrage an adult male?

Absolutely not!  Because they know the male WILL get aggressive, and will beat the shit out of them, so they know not to incite aggression in the male gorilla.  Well guess what?  Human men have exactly the same hormones and propensity to become physically aggressive is enraged and incited to attack as do those other primates.

So I have zero sympathy for either of these provocative and very stupid women.  Frankly I'm tired of a women thinking they can play to another set of rules, to a double-standard, and keep using this feeble, innocent "victim of violence" bullshit-routine.  They are just fucking with men, they know it, and we know it (just look at that lowlife cunt in the orange dress who's immediately smiling as soon as it happened ... mission accomplished!) and then expecting to not get genuinely physically attacked, possibly even killed.  This definitely can happen.

These two women don't deserve any sympathy, and especially no sort of moral 'support', or 'respect'.  They deserve to face charges and to explain to their peers just what in hell they thought they were doing?

Is this the "fairer sex" ... is it, really?  

If women want respect they better understand that they have to earn it from a  man.  Here's a couple of general frank common traditional social 'truths'; men rightly or wrongly suppose they are superior to women.  It has almost always been a man who has been the first to do some extraordinarily valuable thing.  Another one; men like to fuck women, but they do not like much to be around women, they much prefer the social company of men, or else to be alone. Being around a woman can be a pain in the arse, more often than not.

Not always, but mostly.  And that video neatly shows why this trenchent natural ambivalence exists.

I fail to see how these women are any better than he here.  In fact, taken in isolation, both of these women's behaviours are a vile disgrace and they both should also be held equally accountable for their parts in that situation.  They are at least a responsible and accountable as he is.

Men are increasingly over this sort of bitchy female that then becomes the 'victim' behaviour, and I suspect in future there's going to be a whole lot less patience for idiot women who go out of their way to incite men in that way, and then expect to not get their teeth broken, noses kicked in, and rib-cages stomped on.  As that's exactly what would happen to any man who behaved like those two arsehole women did. 

Why does a woman expect to get away with it?  Because of some absurd and outragous social construct of inequality?  Ironic!  And why does anyone think that man's political input must be deemed invalid, but these 'ladies' shitful political antics are not to be likewise rejected and shunned?  A double-standard is not acceptable!  If a man understands you don't berate another man, because you get hospitalised for it, then women should understand that it applies to them too. 

As that woman in orange showed, she was not an innocent victim of some violent guy.  She deserves to get some corporal punishment and a day in the stocks for her behaviour - the shit-stirring cunt.

The golden rule is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

'Modern' human society had better start to come to terms with the fact that this sort of considered goading and inciting behaviour shown by these two women, is totally unacceptable, and it must be properly recognised for what it is, and appropriately punished.  It is outragous.

It is up to the society to have a open and clear headed discussion about this, because the social interaction does not reflect the reality of the physiological and mental differences between men and women.  When I grew up, women were not allowed to go in to a public bar of a hotel.  That was a male only area (except for bar maids).  This was because it was recognised back then that there were real and valid reasons for segregation of the sexes, in some places and activities - because we are not the same, and we should not be treated the same, nor be expected to behave the same.  We may all be humans, but males and females are most definately are not alike.

This used to be understood in the western culture I knew.

Now, like so much else, in our 'progressive' degraded and deranged culture, the social and gender interation and system is out of balance, and has become increasingly dysfunctional.

If women are bitchy little cunts, and actually can't help it, or don;t want to, due to their hormones, and their social edifices - fine.  

If men tend to be gruff, potentially violent, and demanding of respect (deserved or not), due to their hormones and social edifices - so be it.

And if these two females can not plainly discuss contentious issues like this in public, with the full diverse spectrum of malenes, without that sort of thing occurring, then they should be segregated from discussions with males. 

To hell with women who behave like that.  Who needs this shit?  In this respect at least, I think traditional Greek culture, and Arab culture got it right, to keep distances between the mixing of males with females, in some settings. 

And if he being a bit of an opinionated tosser responds with growing anger and sternness, which dear 'ladies' is a real-world physical threat display, and THE natural human warning mechanism, (at least men don't hammer on their chests and roar like Gorillas do) to such insults and harassment, and is known to respond with a low-thresholds of restraint, either verbal or physical, then that's his physiological make-up.  Deal with it.  Or just don't or mix with such a fit mature alpha male - at all.

And that response is not the definition of a 'Fascist' mentality, or some shit of that sort.  It may be why he holds views towards direct actions though.  The natural-world produces natural alpha-males (and there is a wide spectrum of these).  They are typically leaders, or else outcasts.  They are innately more aggressive.  This guy is clearly one, so just get over it.  A naturally aggressive physiology and make-up does not define a person's politics, nor is it a reason to put your words in their mouth.

People like him should never be stirred up unnecessarily, or deliberately, because they will eventually become physically aggressive.  The natural word produced men like that for a reason.  They are a necessary and valid part of the community and also very valuable, for many reasons.  And you really do want to keep them on your side and neutral.

Does anyone not realise that? 

They knew this. So what the fuck did these two think they are doing, attacking in that way, especially when he's emitting typical warning signs, showing teeth, tight lips, stern appearance, sharp physical gesticulation and clear signs of rising anger and rejection of their behaviours.  All are very clear warnings of what is coming if continued.  The woman in orange obviously knew where that was going, she has obviously done it to men before, knew exactly what would occur, and made sure she pressed his buttons all the more, to get the reactions she wanted.  She deserves to be formally punished.

So where were the fucking moderators, who absolutely should have seen and understood what all three of them were doing?

In which case, if each of these three can not, or will not restrain themselves, or else they have no desire to sublimate their clearly out-of-control ego's and mouths to public decency and orderliness, then they should be segregated, and not mix together, nor discuss political issues in this way, in any such a public forum - EVER!
As it stands, they are all way out of order, and all three have demonstrated that they should be thrown out of politics, and rejected from public life and exposure.  All three of them are unbalanced and dangerous to social cohesion and constructive interactions. 

Young aggressive men need to realise that there is a subset of fucked-up idiot women will try this crap on them.

And young women need to understand that they could easily end up with much worse than a mere bitch-slap from doing this.  There's a reason why the term "bitch-slap" exists.

Men and women are still basically hairless apes, so women need to pull their heads out of their arses and get-real about how they interact with the male apes.

Some are passive, some most definately are not, but most are in-between.  Ladies need to understand and accept that EVERY male has a valid place and role in human society. 

If you don't like this fact, well, that's just tough luck, for you ,and your head full of fucked-up progressive bad-wiring and confusion about YOUR role and place in the scheme of things social.

Many men would prefer if you just shut you pie-hole and keep any bitchiness and blather to yourself.

But many men are so thoroughly unimpressed by many women, that they won't even bother to tell you any of this.


Now watch that video again.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:52 | 2504048 5880
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so, I take it you have been convicted of domestic violence?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 19:36 | 2505698 Element
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That has not and will not happen. A female behaving in this sort of way would be out of my life immediately. It is a personal choice, and a no-brainer choice at that.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:09 | 2504158 Ghordius
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element, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, ad nauseam yes. +1

still, this IDIOT was an IDIOT for me even before he got the idiotic idea to go and have a "talk" in television with them - and I'm not talking about his political views.

we are talking about a guy that wants his party to be elected, not a generic man that just got into this situation

he knows the ladies, he knows what they are going to say and he should have known that they would bait him

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 20:40 | 2505842 Element
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Agree. Look at someone like Putin, he knows how to handle Hillary baiting him.

Ignore the bitch, and let your actions do the talking.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:11 | 2504174 Cardinal Fang
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You realize, of course, that your boss never reads your emails?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:32 | 2504264 blunderdog
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Impulse control problems?

Easier to kill witches with ice, not with fire.  They shrivel right up if you don't give them so much power over your mood.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:25 | 2502764 MillionDollarBonus_
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The 'anti-bailout parties' have shown themselves to be nothing but reactionary conspiracy theorists and extremists who have no interest in civil discourse. I feel sorry for President Herman Van Rompuy. Look what he has to deal with. While these childish extremists fight with each other, President Van Rompuy is desperately trying to push through vital economic reforms to fix the imbalances in the economy. EU leaders like President Van Rompuy are living this crisis every day on the front lines, and they receive no thanks whatsoever. These anti-bailout clowns should be ashamed of themselves.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:29 | 2502774 magpie
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President Rompuy will be composing heroic couplets in the burning  EU HQ when Vlaams Belang or the banlieus move in. 

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:30 | 2502787 autonomos
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Please do you want up or down votes for your fake-troll posts?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:34 | 2502803 narapoiddyslexia
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This is a difficult question. There are ramifications either way. What is it to be?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:48 | 2502851 tocointhephrase
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What a nasty piece of scum. He will get is just deserts. Fat end first would be a good start!

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:48 | 2502852 CPL
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He is illustrating the complexity of the decisions being made against a problem with defined boundries.


The problem isn't the solutions proposed, they are all doomed fromt he start.  It's the question that's missing.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:41 | 2502795 Harlequin001
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If only he'd slapped Van Rompuy eh, they'd have given him a medal, and supreme power...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:36 | 2502810 WAMO556
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Dude! Your back. Now we just need TRAV7777 back for some live sword fights. Ass you can tell, I am not a fan, but I do LOVE a good sword fight.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 07:48 | 2502855 unrulian
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sword fights are gay

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:59 | 2503090 Colonial Intent
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Use a real sword dude not your pork sword, Gross!

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:11 | 2502918 Peter K
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- 10,000
BTW, the most pathetic post on ZH, evahhhh.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 08:14 | 2502939 Peter K
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BTW, aren't presidents usually.... how shall I put this..... aren't they usually "elected"?

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 09:50 | 2503324 dbomb12
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They need more leaders like Franco, Mussolini and Caligula 

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:13 | 2504184 Cardinal Fang
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I am a proud lackey of the bourgeois reaction.

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